1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports show, which we 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: explore the big money issues in the world of sports. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: On Michael barn I'm Scarlett fail Man, I'm Damian sas 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: hour Man. 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Oh Man. Let's tip our caps to some perfection on 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Wednesday night, and. 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 3: Hermon, they're righty deals to the plate, swung on, grab 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 3: all a third, tnalds in top with it. He throws 9 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 3: the first Tomingle Herman has pitched a perfect game for 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 3: the fourth time in the history of the New York Yankees. 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: Perfection attained wfan with the call. Yankees pitcher Domingo Hermand 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: pitching a perfect game Wednesday night against the Oakland A's, 13 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: becoming just the fourth Yankees pitcher to throw the perfect 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: game and just the first perfect since twenty twelve. Twenty 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: fourth perfect game in MLB history should have been twenty 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: five because Amandel Galarraga got cheated out of one for 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: the Detroit Tigers. I'm sorry, I'm easy, I'm riffing here. 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, gang. 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 4: You know. 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: He joins Conewells and Don Larson as the fourth Yankee 21 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: and now the Yankees for the twenty four no hitters 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: in history. And another interesting tidbit, Domigo Harman became the 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: first Dominikan pitcher to ever throw a perfect key. 24 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 5: Wait, just to make clear, perfect game means no walks. 25 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 2: Either, right, No, no man on based no nothing, nobody 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: got nobody. 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: Face at all. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, the lineup Today, we're 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: speaking with NFL great Super Bowl champion and brilliant friend 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: of the show Joe Thie. 30 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 5: We have some good friends here, I do. 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 6: We have yeah, high places. I mean that's right. 32 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: Mike, the former MVP and sports commentator, will give us 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: his viewpoints on this upcoming NFL season, the sale of 34 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: his former team than now Washington Commanders, and who he 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: thinks is the best pure passer in the history of football. 36 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 5: And speaking of friends of the show, later on, I 37 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 5: speak with Next in Sports hosts Jason Kelly and Vanessa Perdomo. 38 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 5: We talk about the most extreme twenty seconds in sports 39 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 5: World Chase Tag West World Chase Tag twenty second it is. 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: That's straight to head on the Bloomberg business of sports. 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: But first, man, you talk about buying those tickets to 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: your favorite artist. I'm not gonna mention any names just yet, 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: but you'll find out soon. Stu Hallberg knows he's the 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: CEO of Logitech, and you are all in this business. 45 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: First of all, Stu, thank you so much for joining 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: us on the Bloomberg Business of Sports. 47 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 4: Awesome to talk to you, guys. I appreciate you having me. 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Wow, So all this about ticketing right now? I mean, 49 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: you know we've gone through all of this, you know, 50 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: ticket Master, and then they've been through the ringer and 51 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: the prices and things like that, and you know, then 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: the fees come in and say, wait a minute, I 53 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: didn't expect the fee for sneakers and all the other stuff. 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: Tell us about that. How has the industry changed or evolving? 55 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: The industry actually hasn't evolved as much as the mechanism 57 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 4: by which people can communicate in maths, so things like 58 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 4: social media. Right you know, we talk about Taylor Swift, 59 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: the vocal few. I mean, when's the last time something 60 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 4: as recreational as ticketing has made it up to public policy? 61 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: Capitol Hill been fascinated to see that the digitization of 62 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 4: ticketing has I think made things more transparent in some 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: ways and less transparent than some others. So it's admittedly 64 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: not one of my favorite topics to talk about because 65 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of people in DC in 66 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: other areas who can be spending their time doing much 67 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: more productive things than poking around the ticketing. That said, 68 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 4: I get it right. My favorite kind of passion piece 69 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: about ticketing is that it's just something that people are 70 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: so emotional and also irrational about and it makes for fun. 71 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 4: Podder so excited to talk to you guys about it. 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 5: Let's talk about dynamic pricing, where ticket prices can drift 73 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 5: up or down, but usually up based on demand. Taylor 74 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 5: Swift is someone who doesn't engage in dynamic pricing. But 75 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 5: first of all, explain how that's evolved, because it makes 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 5: sense and principle, but it's gotten a little bit out 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 5: of control. 78 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: We have a ton of data that says, actually, the 79 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 4: vast majority of dynamic pricing is prices down, and we 80 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: have software that dynamics the price of tickets. We work 81 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: with a lot of vendors. More than two thirds of 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: our price changes, whether they are done programmatically, through automation 83 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: or manually, are actually priced down. It's the ones like 84 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 4: the Taylor Slifts and the Bruce Springsteen that really catches 85 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 4: the attention of people. So I do think there is 86 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: a myth there. Dam pricing has a ton of value. 87 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: It actually brings live events to a much more affordable 88 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: place to a lot of people. We've seen this really 89 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 4: interesting kind of theme even before the pandemic, where the 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 4: high demand events are just becoming so much bigger and 91 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: the load events demand events are just becoming in such 92 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 4: lower demand. And I think the willingness of participants is 93 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 4: what we call them rights holders. So whether that's a team, 94 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: an artist, or a venue, their willingness to actually more 95 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 4: reflectively price their tickets to the true demand has been 96 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: something interesting to watch. 97 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 6: Well, do you affordability asiding? 98 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: You said it so many times just now the importance 99 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: about in the data right to make your decisions when 100 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 2: it comes to dynamic pricing. Quite frankly when it comes 101 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: to ticket pricing anyway, what makes taylorsts with so interesting 102 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: and an unusual move for your industry is they are 103 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: not reporting their nightly grossest to Billboard box Score. Now, 104 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: talk to me about data and the access to it 105 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,799 Speaker 2: and that how maybe not having access to that data 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: in certain instances will impact what your business is doing. 107 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I mentioned earlier digitization of ticketing 108 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 4: should bring in transparency, but also has a really good 109 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: way of hiding transparency correct And so I think that's 110 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 4: been fascinating to watch. I don't think it's important with 111 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: respect to data and ticket pricing is to understand the 112 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 4: really the ecosystem and differentiation between a primary and secondary market. 113 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 4: Where the primary is obviously you know, the unique ticketer, 114 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 4: exclusive ticketter for the venue they set their prices. Yes, 115 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: they are dynamically pricing tickets, but you know, I think 116 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 4: the general fan thinks of that as inventory being broadcast 117 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 4: directly by the artists themselves versus the secondary market, which 118 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 4: you know has all these negative connotations to it. Broker, 119 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: you know, Scalpert, you know that ecosystem seems a little 120 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 4: bit more arms length from the artists. But one of 121 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: the areas that we play in is both in primary 122 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: and secondary, but specifically with the secondary market. Why that's 123 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 4: so fascinating is it's an ecosystem. It's much more hyper 124 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: dynamic than the primary. You've got an ecosystem of hundreds 125 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 4: of buyers and sellers making decisions whether that's to change 126 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 4: prices and to buy, which actually is more reflective of 127 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: the true demand. Oftentimes you have artists participating in the secondary. 128 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 4: So I can certainly see why, given some of the 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 4: passionate noise being made, why an artists may not want 130 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 4: to explicitly expose some of those gates because oftentimes when 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 4: you see with the fees and how you commingle those fees, 132 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: it's very convoluted, and much like anything with data and storytelling, 133 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 4: you could make the data say whatever the hell you 134 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 4: want to. Well, at some point you just kind of say, hey, 135 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: that's our data, and we don't have the requirement to 136 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: report on it. 137 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 5: So I want to bring this into the business of sports. 138 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 5: If you're working with a team or at a team, 139 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 5: Let's say you're working at the Oakland A's and they're 140 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 5: going to be moving to Las Vegas. They have had 141 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 5: some troubles filling their stadium. How do you go about 142 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 5: coming up with the ticket strategy for this next season? 143 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, you pick probably one of the most difficult. 144 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 4: You don't have this type of relocation. And if anybody's 145 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: seen the movie Major League, there's a lot of similarities there. 146 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: I think you can seen the reverse boycott and Oakland 147 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: where they're trying to get fans to buy tickets. So respectfully, 148 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 4: I'll kind of push the Oakland A's example to the side, 149 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 4: because in reality, I actually think that the right ticketing 150 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: strategy should work, whether you are the Oakland A's who 151 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 4: are moving, whether you're the Arizona Coyotes who have no 152 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 4: idea where the hell your home is going to be 153 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: right now playing a venue that's about a third of 154 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: the size of the average NHL venue, or the Arizona 155 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: diamonbacks to a pretty you know, run of the mill 156 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 4: team that's performing well this year. A flexible ticketing strategy 157 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 4: is hypercritical, you know by area of expertise and are 158 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: specifically at Logitics is more around the single event inventory. 159 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 4: So when you think about a forty five and seat 160 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: baseball stadium, you've got your season tickets and your membership subscribers. 161 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 4: So whether that's a full season Martiall plan, half season, 162 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: you've got your really group experienced buyers. So that's your churches, 163 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 4: your boy Scouts, or college steam nights where you get 164 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: two hundred of your close comrades to come in, maybe 165 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: you get to throw out a first pitch, run the bases. 166 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 4: That's more experiential. You've got premium buyers, so that's your clubs, 167 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: corporate and suites. And then you have the individual event tickets, 168 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: which is oftentimes maybe a fan of the other team, 169 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 4: maybe it's someone who is in from out of town, 170 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 4: and that's the area that we play because that is 171 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: the most hyper dynamic ticket. That is the one that 172 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: has the most volatility in pricing. You know, whether if 173 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 4: you're the Diamondbacks, a Tuesday game against the Marlins or 174 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: a Saturday against the Cubs, very different demand in those. 175 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 5: So is that tickets available or is that like more like. 176 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 4: A tenth I would say that there is no real 177 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 4: correlation tocross sports or across clubs. So prior to joining 178 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: Logitis ten years ago, I was with the National Hockey 179 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 4: League and there were some venues that wanted to just 180 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 4: sell every single building and their eighteen thousand seed venue 181 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 4: to season ticket members because that effectively de risks them, 182 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 4: versus some who wanted to optimize revenue and had a 183 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: very low amount of season ticket members. So I think 184 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 4: the right strategy personally is about ten to twenty five 185 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 4: percent of your building should be held back for your 186 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: individual event tickets. You know, that way you have your 187 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: true fans in every night, but also gives you an 188 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 4: opportunity for when Victor webbin Yama comes through on the 189 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 4: Spurs that one night a year and you get to 190 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 4: dynamically price those tickets up, because at the end of 191 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 4: the day, you are a for profit, revenue generating business 192 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 4: as much as people don't necessarily want to think that 193 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 4: about their favorite brand. So flexibility is important. Dynamic pricing 194 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 4: is incredibly critical. Having access to data is something that 195 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: most clubs don't often have, which is where we come in. 196 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 4: And then I think one of the most important parts 197 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: is the concept of distribution and reaching those traditional secondary 198 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 4: markets and pricing your tickets the right way. Having the 199 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 4: right distribution, you know, reaching the fans where they like 200 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 4: to shop, and then being able to find them at 201 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: the right price. So when it really comes back to 202 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 4: it's just like anything, right product, right price, right place. 203 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: Stu Helberg, CEO of Logitch, thank you so much for 204 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: joining us here on the Bloomberg Business of Sports. We 205 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 206 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: Awesome great stop to you guys. 207 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Up next on the show, we speak with NFL legend 208 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Joe Thaisman that straight ahead on the Bloomberg Business of Sports. 209 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,239 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Barr along with Scarlett Foo and Damian Sasawur. 210 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. Welcome back to the Bloomberg Business of 211 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: Sports show, where we explore the big money issues in 212 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: the world of sports. I'm not talking about some two 213 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: penny stuff. I'm talking about big money stuff. I'm Michael 214 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: Barr alongside Damian Sasaur Scarlet. She had to step away 215 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: to do some scarlet stuff. Joining us on the show 216 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: right now is Super Bowl champion, NFL MVP, two time 217 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: Pro bowler and New Jersey great Joe thisman and if 218 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: you don't know who Joe Old Thaisman as well, here's 219 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: a little reminder. Joe has had that great year. 220 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 6: Joe was the MVP. Joe's the best channel. 221 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: That was a perfect throw by five. 222 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 7: We lost two games that year by one point. We 223 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 7: were the highest scoring team in the history of football, 224 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 7: five hundred and forty one points. We entered games where 225 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 7: I didn't question whether we would win or lose, but 226 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 7: only how many points would we score? 227 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: Audio their courtesy of NFL Films. Joe Thaisman, Welcome to 228 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business of Sports. 229 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 8: I appreciate it. Michael, Damon. Good to catch up with 230 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 8: you both again. It's been a little while. Usually we 231 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 8: see each other down around the Super Bowl time, but 232 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 8: it's nice to do something mid season. 233 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, it's so nice to talk to you. Man. Well, 234 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: let's start. First of all, the last time we talked 235 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: to you, we got into a big conversation about some 236 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: of the business ventures that you were geting getting into 237 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, we could have gone another hour 238 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: on that. How are you doing with that? 239 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 5: Things? 240 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 8: Are you know? Interesting? I mean, it's we're in a market, 241 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 8: as a trading market. I think if you make money, 242 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 8: take it off the table, because it's probably going to 243 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 8: come back. I still think we're in a plat in 244 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 8: every state and that I think we need to be 245 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 8: a bit cautious going through these next couple of quarters, 246 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 8: and as we settle in uh, different sectors continue to 247 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 8: all come up change. I think you really, if you're 248 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 8: going to be an investor, this is a time where 249 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 8: you really have to pay attention to some of the 250 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 8: details and some of the things that are important to you. 251 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 8: And I've always felt that way, and we've talked about 252 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 8: this before. I think, you know, you just can't get 253 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 8: involved in something just for the sake of getting involved. 254 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 8: I think it has to it has to touch you, 255 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 8: you have to have a reason to do it. I mean, 256 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 8: I was listening to conversation about Ford and what they're 257 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 8: doing and about the EV's going forward, and you know, 258 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 8: it'll be it'll be interesting to see how you can 259 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 8: charge the charging stations. I mean, I think charging stations 260 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 8: are being charged by diesel fueled generators. So you know, 261 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 8: how is how are how are we going to work 262 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 8: the electric aspect into the fuel aspect. I just you know, 263 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 8: everybody says, Okay, it's going to be all electric at 264 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 8: some point in time. I just can't conceivably see that. 265 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 8: I think there's there's too much dependence. And what about 266 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 8: all those automobiles that are on the road right now? 267 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean look, I mean, Joe, you point out 268 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: a decade of easy money. You know, the world doesn't 269 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: change on a dime here, right, So I mean, you know, 270 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: even though we may have tartle liquidity conditions, growth may slow. Yeah, 271 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: it's looking like this inflation jump is real and it's 272 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: going to be here for a while. 273 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 6: But you know, it's been here. 274 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 8: But you know it's somebody that says it's just coming. No, 275 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 8: it's been here. We've experienced this for a while, go 276 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 8: buy gas. Okay, what else? What else do you go 277 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 8: buy groceries? Go to the grocery store, go to the 278 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 8: gas station, and tell me that we are have an 279 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 8: inflation level. 280 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 6: Yeah. 281 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: And look, I mean now you're taking the kid gloves off. 282 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: Right Now you can spend money. You can make money 283 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: as a collegiate athlete, right, I mean, talk about nil, 284 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: talk about name, image, likeness. I mean we're in a 285 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 2: different environment here. 286 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 8: You don't have seat and you don't have college athletics anymore, 287 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 8: amateur athletics. You have young people playing professional sports. That's 288 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 8: basically what it is. I mean, they wanted to keep 289 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 8: the alumni out of college sports for so long, and 290 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 8: now you've opened Pandora's box. Yeah, and then you create 291 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 8: the portal to allow somebody that it's competition. Looks a 292 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 8: little tough, Just go quit and go someplace out. Can 293 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 8: you I understand what they're trying to do. 294 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? And Damian mentioned about nil, can you 295 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: imagine if you had something like that before you played 296 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: quarterback for Washington, you would have so much dag on 297 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: money right now, It's well, well, you'd be another Mike Bloomberg. 298 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 8: Let's put it that that's right. You know, it is amazing, 299 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 8: it's and it's changing so rapidly. They really need to 300 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 8: sort of get their arms around it. I'm not as 301 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 8: concerned about the nil because there are there is a 302 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 8: very small percentage of athletes that we'll be able to 303 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 8: capitalize on this. I would like to see it expanded, 304 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 8: and I think it is being expanded to to include groups, 305 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 8: you know, like a defensive line or offensive line or 306 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 8: you know, so somebody gets to share the wealth a 307 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 8: little bit. But like the portal, how do you recruit 308 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 8: anybody today if you were a college coach, how do 309 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 8: you go and sit with somebody's at somebody's house, with 310 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 8: the parents or aunties or whomever it might be, and say, hey, look, 311 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 8: we would like this person to come to our school. 312 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 8: And all of a sudden they get there. And then 313 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 8: you're in the spring game and they list the depth 314 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 8: chart and you're number three, and the kid goes, I'm 315 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 8: not staying here. Yeah, I'm going to someplace else. I 316 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 8: had other offers. I'm going to pursue my other offers. 317 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 8: I just think college coaching now has just become so 318 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 8: much more difficult because you don't know who you're going 319 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 8: to have one your roster. 320 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: Well, Joe, I mean you mentioned, you know, obviously Mike 321 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: mentioned the Washington Redskins, and you know, I just you know, 322 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: I have to ask. I don't know how close you 323 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: are to the situation here, but I mean, you know 324 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 2: the Commanders are for sale. If you didn't know that, 325 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: and Josh Harris is a potential suitor, I mean, is 326 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: that good for the franchise in your opinion? 327 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 8: Yes, I think there's been there's been so much negative 328 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 8: press about the franchise over the last couple two three 329 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 8: years that and I believe, you know, Josh Harrison his 330 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 8: group will It looks like they're getting close to finalizing 331 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 8: the sale of the franchise, and I think it'll happen 332 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 8: in the next couple of months. You certainly want to 333 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 8: try and get I think ownership on both sides would 334 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 8: like to get it done. I think the league would 335 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 8: like to get it done before training camp starts, because 336 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 8: you know, Josh is going to have to bring in 337 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 8: his people, He's going to have to evaluate what he has, 338 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 8: like any you know, he's an incredibly brilliant businessman, so 339 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 8: you have to see what you have. I mean, you 340 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 8: know what you're buying. What do you really have? What 341 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 8: do you have in your coaching staff, what do you 342 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 8: have in management, what do you have in players, what 343 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 8: do you have in marketing? What do you have in sales? 344 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 8: There's been a uptick as far as sweet sales go. 345 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 8: The people of Washington are certain anticipating a sale. And 346 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 8: for Dan it just has been it's been, you know, 347 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 8: a rough go for twenty five years. They just haven't 348 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 8: been able to deliver on the field what everybody is 349 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 8: hoped for. And then all the stuff that's been off 350 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 8: the field has been, you know, a difficult time for 351 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 8: the people of Washington. But I think everybody is very 352 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 8: excited about what the future can be for this franchise. 353 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 8: On the field, we look pretty good. Got a young quarterback, 354 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 8: hope he plays well, but there's a lot of pieces 355 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 8: in place. 356 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you talk about disappointing on the field. 357 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: We'll look no further than my my favorite team in 358 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: New York Jets. I wonder, Joe, the New York Jets 359 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: with Aaron Rodgers at the helm, what are your expectations 360 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: for that team this year? I mean they are certainly 361 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: an odds. I mean, look, I think they're what I 362 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: mean plus eight thousand or something to win it all. 363 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: I mean that's not terribly off the mark. 364 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 8: No it's not. And you know there are a good 365 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 8: a good, solid defensive team. Aaron will bring so much, 366 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 8: he'll bring stability to the franchise. Nathaniel Hackett is the 367 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 8: offensive coordinator or Aaron and the THANU were together in 368 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 8: Green Bay, so the offense will run, I believe, very smooth, 369 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 8: maybe a little bit more smooth than somebody transitioning in. 370 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 8: But why can't the Jets be the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 371 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 8: when Tom Brady went there? Why can't the Jets be 372 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 8: the Denver Broncos when Peyton went there? Why can't the 373 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 8: Jets be the Los Angeles or the Rams when Matthew 374 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 8: Stafford went there. I think this, this, this has a 375 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 8: great chance of being the fourth guy, the fourth elite individual, 376 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 8: the fourth elite quarterback who, by the way, Aaron is 377 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 8: the best pure passer in the history of professional football. 378 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 8: Nobody spins it like him. I mean, there have been 379 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 8: guys who can spin it. Warren Moon could spin it. 380 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 8: There have been guys who get the ball out of 381 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 8: their hands quickly. You know, Dan Marino could do that. 382 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 8: There have been guys that have been accurate. Joe Montana 383 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 8: extremely accurate. But he is the rare combination of everything. 384 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 8: Plus you know, now he's going to be in an 385 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 8: offense that I think he's rejuminating. 386 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, he looks exciting. 387 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 8: I think it got scale up in Green Bay, and 388 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 8: I think he's excited as all get out because he 389 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 8: knows this offense and he brought some of his own 390 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 8: people with him. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets, 391 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 8: this may sound crazy the first time I've ever said it, 392 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 8: if the Jets are in the Super Bowl this year. Wow. 393 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 8: I think it's a tough. First of all, they've got 394 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 8: to get through the division. We know that that's not 395 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 8: going to be easy with Buffalo there, and you know, 396 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 8: you know, I hope to A stays healthy in Miami. 397 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 8: I hope he doesn't have any more issues, certainly New England. 398 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 8: You know you can't count Bill out ever. I mean, 399 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 8: you're gonna have your hands full in the division. But 400 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 8: I think that that football team has enough of a 401 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 8: supporting cast around him to make some kind of waves. 402 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 6: The AFC East. 403 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: You missed your boy, Josh Allen who if I'm not mistaken, 404 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: you're paired with in the American Century Championship on June 405 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: twenty second. I wonder if you could talk to us 406 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: a little bit about Fantasy golf, the tournament and what 407 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: that's all about. 408 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, we've got as a matter of fact. First of all, 409 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 8: it's the American Century Championship Fantasy Golf contest. The tournament 410 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 8: is July fourteenth through the sixteenth, Friday Saturday Sunday, American 411 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 8: Centuries in his twenty fifth year, twenty fifth anniversary as 412 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 8: the title sponsor. Just to give you a little bit 413 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 8: of a synopsis, there's five groups of players, all broken 414 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 8: down into your skill level. I happen to be in 415 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 8: the middle one with you know, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, 416 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 8: Roger Clemens, Larry Fitzgerald, and of course Charles Barkley will 417 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 8: be in the tournament. Larry the cable guy, Hanka Sorenstam, 418 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 8: who I always like to stand next to at the 419 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 8: and learn something. Catherine Tappan will be there. Miles Teller, 420 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 8: who you know to me, top Gun Maverick. Besides Tom Cruise, 421 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 8: Miles is just an unbelievable guy. Marty Fish of course, 422 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 8: Tony Romo will be there, Mark Moulder, a bunch of them. 423 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 8: And what happens is you get to as a fantasy 424 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 8: football player. You get to pick five players, one from 425 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 8: each group, and you can change every day if you want. 426 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 8: If you win it all, you get a ten thousand 427 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 8: dollars donation that you can give to the charity of 428 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 8: your choice, and you get a trip for two to 429 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 8: next year's tournament. And if you win each day, you 430 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 8: get a trip for two to next year's tournament on 431 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 8: Lake Top, beautiful Lake tob They do such a fabulous job. 432 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 6: I mean to be. 433 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: Paired with Alan and Mahomes from the match, I mean, 434 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: I like your chances there. 435 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 8: I don't know, you know, I'm not sure. We won't 436 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 8: know the pairings until we really get there on Wednesday night. 437 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 8: I mean, they're in the same group as me. 438 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: You know. 439 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 8: The only problem about playing with those guys is I 440 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 8: can't reach the par fives anymore, and they play them 441 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 8: like par four. I gotta tell you a funny story. 442 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 8: So I'm going to range with Josh last year. Now, 443 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 8: about three hundred yards out, there's a trailer at the 444 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 8: end of the driving range. I'm standing there watching him 445 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 8: hit a ball and I can't read, you know, I 446 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 8: need glasses to read up close, but I can see 447 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 8: far away and I'm watching the ball go over the trailer. 448 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 8: You look at him, He's just a big, big, strong 449 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 8: young man and a terrific football player. You know, the 450 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 8: AFC is loaded with quarterbacks. I mean you really look 451 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 8: at the AFC and they're all over the place, between 452 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 8: Patrick and Josh and like I say, Tua, you got Herbert, 453 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 8: you know, Jimmy G's now with the Raiders. Russell's out. 454 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 8: You know, Russell's got a lot to prove out Denver Borrow. 455 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 8: I mean, everywhere you turn, you've got you know, ars 456 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 8: with the Jets. It's like it's a who's who of 457 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 8: young quarterbacks in the AFC. So it'd be interesting, Well. 458 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 2: Well, you think about Stafford's arrival in Los Angeles and 459 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: what that meant for a receiver by the name of 460 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 2: Cooper Cup who's good admittedly, but I mean I'm talking 461 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: unbelievably great now. 462 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 6: I mean in retrospect. 463 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 2: I mean you look at other receivers who are out there, 464 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: who got signed to big name contracts, and you look 465 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: at DeAndre Hopkins, who's out there right Now I mean 466 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: I wonder, you know, if you could talk to us, 467 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: I mean landing spots for some of these remaining free 468 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: agents like Hopkins or perhaps Delvin Cook. I mean, what 469 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: do you think is a good fit for someone like that? 470 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 8: First of all, I think, what do you want from 471 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 8: DeAndre Hopkins? What are you looking for? And what's he 472 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 8: looking at for? It? Just you know, obviously he could 473 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 8: fit in Darner anywhere. Now is he going to fit 474 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 8: in as a one? This is you know, you and 475 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 8: I we could spend hours talking about concepts of offenses 476 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 8: because you know, it's like Stefan up in up in Buffalo, 477 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 8: not happy with the amount of targets. Well, if you're 478 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 8: really good, defenses aren't stupid. They're going to try and 479 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 8: take you away, and now you have to work harder 480 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 8: and it's harder to get you the ball. So this 481 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 8: is where the schemes and the schematics of an offense 482 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 8: come in. How do I get my guy the ball? 483 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 8: You know they Sean mcvays is Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, 484 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 8: Matt Lafleur, they're all part of that Shanahan treum of 485 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 8: knowledge to find ways to be able to get the 486 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 8: right people to football. They do with Cooper out out 487 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 8: with the Rams, but DeAndre, you know, where do the 488 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 8: Titans I think could use some help is one of 489 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 8: the places that he's been linked to there as far 490 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 8: as Cook goes, the running back position just it's not 491 00:23:54,280 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 8: getting any love, deserves to be paid without him. In 492 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 8: the early part of the last year, they weren't going 493 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 8: to be able to make play. They didn't know what 494 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 8: Daniel was going to do. Taquon to me and of 495 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 8: course I hate to see it in the division with Washington, 496 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 8: but you know, I just had a chance to spend 497 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 8: some time with what a terrific young man and a 498 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 8: terrific football player. And when he you know, he stayed 499 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 8: healthy and it made a world of difference. But the 500 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 8: running back position is the most you know, you want 501 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 8: to say underpaid. You know, they're franchising them at ten million, 502 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 8: which sounds which obviously you know we're a financial show, 503 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 8: but that sounds like a lot of money. But when 504 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 8: you talk about the world of football, Aaron Rodgers is 505 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 8: due to make fifty nine million this year, so you 506 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 8: put things into perspective considering my highest paid year was 507 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 8: one million dollars Wow. I wake up every morning after 508 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 8: I get done crying. I have friends. That's basically what 509 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 8: I do every monk it really you really have to 510 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 8: in the running back positions. There are no longer free 511 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 8: down backs, you know. And I think I think both 512 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 8: of these guys you're gonna get a really good season 513 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 8: out of them because now they're they're they're upset, they're 514 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 8: you know, it's like, Okay, you don't want me, I'll 515 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 8: show you. You know, Michael, the Detroit Lions to me 516 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 8: could be that sleeper team this year. I think Dan 517 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 8: has done an incredible job. And I've always believed this. 518 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 8: The greatest attribute that you can possess in any walk 519 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 8: of life is mental toughness, and he has created a 520 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 8: mentally tough football team. 521 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: They and the biggest thing, the players want to play 522 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: for Dan Campbell. I love seeing that, is like, and 523 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: as a fan, I'm like, yeah, I want to see 524 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: you guys play. This is great and. 525 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 8: They're talented, you know, not only not only are they tough, 526 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 8: but you know, Jared's really found a groove for himself. 527 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 8: Sometimes sometimes you have to move around to different franchise. 528 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 8: I you know, when I came out of school Jim Plunkett, 529 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 8: he went to Stanford, he goes to New England, gets 530 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 8: beat up, goes to San Francisco, gets beat up, goes 531 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 8: to the Raiders, wins two World champions Sometimes that other 532 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 8: team can be the right thing. And this, I believe 533 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 8: the way it's going to be for Jared. 534 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: The NFL they are now starting for all rookies. They're 535 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: going to be required to attend mandatory education and especially 536 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: more to reinforce its gambling policy in the league after 537 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: we've had several violations. Talk to us about that with 538 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: the league trying to say, okay, rookies, this is where 539 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: you need to be schooled. 540 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 8: Well, you know, it would be the if I was 541 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 8: going to have a hold the media, if I was 542 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 8: a coach of a team, the first thing I'd talked 543 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 8: to him about is gambling, because gambling has permeated football. 544 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 8: Football is the football is the number one sport for 545 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 8: three reasons. Number one rabbit fans. Number two, you have 546 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 8: fantasy football, so everybody in an office, whether you like 547 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 8: it or not, you participate. And three is gambling. And 548 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 8: every commercial is about gambling. Every commercial you see around 549 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 8: it is about gambling. And this is where I talk 550 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 8: about possibly just basically saying, Okay, you know, I'm in 551 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 8: a place a bet. It's simple. You can't bet on football. 552 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 8: You can't bet at the facility. If you want to 553 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 8: bet on basketball and you're at your home, you can, 554 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 8: but you understand the rules. It's not a question of 555 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 8: not having rules in place. It's a question of guys understanding, 556 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 8: making sure they understand. You know, the four guys actually 557 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 8: it's I think five or six now that have been suspended. 558 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 8: You're thrown away millions of dollars. You know how long 559 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 8: your your career length is about three point four years, 560 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 8: and you're just thrown away one of them. And so 561 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 8: that's number one. And then you know, whatever rules they change, 562 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 8: they ultimately look like they want to get rid of 563 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 8: the kickoff because they've now instituted a fair catch rule 564 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 8: and the kickoffs and you know, I mean, the they 565 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 8: move towards safety, which is great. I think it's wonderful, 566 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 8: But at what point do we reach where the integrity 567 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 8: of the game is lost. That has to do with 568 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 8: the gaming aspect of it. I mean, look at the 569 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 8: coach down at Alabama. Yeah, I mean, you've got in 570 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 8: the NFL, oh as I think they're doing everything they 571 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 8: can and will do to protect the integrity of our game. 572 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 8: And it's there's too there's so many moving parts that 573 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 8: you just really have to stay on top of it 574 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 8: all the time. But gaming is such a big part 575 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 8: of life today. And you know, we've seen what we've 576 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 8: seen and heard about drug abuse, we've seen alcohol abuse. 577 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 8: Now we're starting to see, I hope not the tip 578 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 8: of the iceberg when it comes to gaming. 579 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Joe Thaisman quarterback extraordinaire and still is an extraordinary gentleman. 580 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: He has played with the Super Bowl champion Washington Commanders, 581 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: Washington Redskins back in the day and just just a 582 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: beautiful guy to know. Joe, thank you so much for 583 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: joining us on the Bloomberg Business of Sports. We really 584 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 585 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 8: Oh, listen, Michael Damon, it's great to catch up with 586 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 8: you guys. Hope we can as we get closer to 587 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 8: the season. Hope we can visit again. 588 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 6: And Joe, good luck out there in Taha. 589 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 8: Oh gosh, I just got a putt. 590 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: Thank you there. Send me some Joe on TV, that's 591 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: all I know. 592 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 8: Oh God, you gotta play to get on TV. You 593 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 8: have to play to get on. 594 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: TV I Know That, Thanks again, Joe. Up next on 595 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: the show, Scarlet is back and she sits down with 596 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: Next in Sports hosts Jason Kelly and Vanessa Perdomo to 597 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: discuss the latest from their show as This week, they 598 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: focus on the most popular playground game we played as kids, 599 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: Tag You're It. Damien, You're It. 600 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 6: Michael. 601 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: This is the more extreme version of Tag. It's called 602 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: Chease Tag. Twenty seconds of NonStop action and that is 603 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: up next on the Bloomberg Business of Sports. I'm Damian 604 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: Sassar along with Michael Barr and Scarlett thw This is 605 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Radio around the world. 606 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: Tag You're It. You're listening to Bloomberg Business of Sports 607 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Radio. 608 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 5: Welcome. It's back to the Bloomberg Business of Sports show, 609 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 5: where we explore the big money issues in the world 610 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 5: of sports. I'm Scarlet Foo. Next in Sports is a 611 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 5: Bloomberg Originals program that explores new sports as well as 612 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 5: innovations and existing pastimes, really illustrating what's happening around the 613 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 5: corner and across the globe. This week, Next in Sports 614 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 5: hosts Jason Kelly Vanessa Perdomo head to Atlanta and they 615 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 5: watch a match of Get This World Chase Tag, which 616 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: is essentially just a really fancy and elaborate game of 617 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 5: the popular childhood game Tag, right, Vanessa. 618 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 9: Yes, one hundred percent. 619 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 10: It is tag times ten on a whole other level. 620 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 9: It is parkour athletes. 621 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 10: Stunt you know, men and women who are just elite. 622 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 10: This is my favorite sport that we've covered throughout this show. 623 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 9: Really, yes, one hundred percent. 624 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 10: Why is that other than obviously, well, we have an 625 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 10: episode coming up on the NWSL. 626 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 9: I was a soccer player, so. 627 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 5: It's near and jard your heart. 628 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 10: Yes, so that other than that and you know, speaking 629 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 10: with your favorite news sports. 630 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 9: Yeah, but this is my favorite new sport. 631 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 10: It is so intense, It is so much fun to 632 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 10: watch that. The formula formula for this sport is perfect. 633 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 10: It is so easy to follow. It's someone who is 634 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 10: literally just chasing another person. That's all you have to know. 635 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 10: It's this is the person running away, and this is 636 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 10: the person trying to chase them. 637 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 9: It's called evader and a chaser. 638 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 10: And it's only twenty seconds, so it's not like you're 639 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 10: sitting there watching forever. They have to run away in 640 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 10: twenty seconds or they'll be caught and on. 641 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 3: An obstacle course. 642 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 9: On an obstacle course, why there's a point tons of 643 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 9: stuff in their way. 644 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 10: There's you know, bars and things to jump over, things 645 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 10: to dive through. It is so intense, it is so 646 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 10: fun to watch, and I genuinely was really upset I 647 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,239 Speaker 10: didn't get to try it. 648 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to say, I'm glad I didn't have 649 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: to try. This is the difference betwe between us. I 650 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: went to this place in Atlanta, which is one of 651 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: the only I think it's one of It was for 652 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: a while the only Quad, which is the official name 653 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 3: of the court. It's in suburban Atlanta. It's run by 654 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 3: these two young entrepreneurs, like very young. The woman who 655 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 3: runs is literally twenty one years old. They are former 656 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: or current American Ninja Warrior athletes. So, I mean, this 657 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: is so if you've watched that, you get a sense 658 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 3: of like the climbing and all the strength that's involved. 659 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: I didn't get it until I saw it live and 660 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 3: how like really intense was and how quick and nimble 661 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: and agile and t VP's point like you sort of 662 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 3: do get sucked in. And I watched it on TV 663 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 3: a few times, and it's it's compelling television and like 664 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: you know, last episode we talked about cornhole, it's on ESPN. 665 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 5: That is the tagline for everything. It's on ESPN's clearly 666 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 5: it's a sport. I mean, one thing that I remember 667 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 5: from watching the videos when someone described it as a 668 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 5: physical form of chess, I thought it as a Hollywood 669 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 5: chase scene meets Parkour because it always seemed like it 670 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 5: was a very elaborate chase scene with a lot of 671 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 5: athleticis as well. And one thing that was notable Vanessa 672 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 5: was that small people have an advantage. Yes, right, you 673 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 5: don't have to be big and tall and brutish and strong, 674 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 5: right right. 675 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 10: So I think that one of the things that we 676 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 10: talked to one of the brothers who's a co founder 677 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 10: in the sport, about Damien Devaux, who created the quad itself. 678 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 10: Of course, yeah, he created the course itself, so he's 679 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 10: you know, kind of thinking about every movement and every 680 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 10: obstacle they have on the course, is that they wanted 681 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 10: to make sure that shorter players and taller players both 682 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 10: had advantages in different parts of the quad. So shorter 683 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 10: players can get really easily underneath or really quick and nimble, 684 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 10: but like, if you're tall and you have really long limbs, 685 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 10: there's other parts where you know you're great. So you 686 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 10: saw I talked to one girl who was shorter than 687 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 10: I am, which is really hard to do, and she 688 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 10: was seriously, she's an incredible athlete and she's a park 689 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 10: or athlete, but so she's maybe like five to one. 690 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 10: But then they have another player on another team who's 691 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 10: got to be least six ' eight. He's the stuntman 692 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 10: and the Predator movies. So like, the literal difference of 693 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 10: people who can play this for is really incredible, and 694 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 10: I think they do that very intentionally. 695 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 5: All right, great stuff, Jason Kelly and Vanessa Perdomo of 696 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 5: course hosting Next in Sports, which is available every Wednesday 697 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 5: and Bloomberg Television at ten pm Eastern. It's also available 698 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 5: on demand through YouTube and on Bloomberg dot Com the 699 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 5: following day, where you can also catch the previous installments. 700 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, guys, Thanks scar Thank you Scarlett. 701 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: This has been the Bloomberg Business of Sports show. We 702 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: would like to thank Still Hauberg, CEO at ticketing platform 703 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: Logitich and NFL great Jothisman, and of course thank you 704 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: for listening. To the show. If you want to find 705 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: me on Twitter, you can find me at Big Bar Sports. 706 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 5: I'm on Twitter at Scarlett Food. 707 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 6: And I'm on Twitter at d SaaS Hour. 708 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: Tune in again next week for the latest on the 709 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: stories moving big money in the world of sports. You 710 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: are listening to the Bloomberg Business of Sports Show from 711 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio around the world.