1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to episode seven of Morning Combat 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Extra Credit. I am your host, Luke Thomas, of course, 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: just one half of the hosting duo for regular Morning Combat, 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: but this is Morning Combat Extra Credit. This is where 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: we get to the fights that we didn't have time 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: for on Big Morning Combat. So first things, first, thumbs 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: up on the video hit subscribe. If you're listening on 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: an audio podcast, do be so kind as to recommend 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: this to a friend or leave us a nice review 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: on the platform on which you are listening to it. Okay, 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: So with this, we're gonna do five fights that we're 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: gonna get to then, too, honorable mention that I'll go 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: over quite quickly. Let me show you the list of 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: the five fights we're gonna sync our teeth into. Now, 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a big two sixty eight edition because 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: we just didn't have a lot of coverage, or we 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of coverage I thought last week, but 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, we always could have done a little bit more. 19 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: So I want to focus in on to sixty eight four. 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Today's episode, Marlon Vera versus Frank Dieger will center our conversations. 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk about the UFC debut of Alex Pereira. 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: We'll talk Bobby Green and his phenomenal win over Ali Aquinta, 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: Nasordine Imovov beating Edmund Shabazi and what that might mean, 24 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: and then the debut of Ian Gary. 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: As he defeated Jordan Williams. 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: We have two more fights for honorable mention that we'll 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: get to as well. Okay, all right, with that in mind, 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: let's begin. First things first, let's talk FRANKI, Edgar and 29 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: Cheeto Vera. Now, what did I see out of this? 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: Let's start with the end of the conversation first, because 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: it kind of informs the judgment. There's a question about 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: whether he should retire, and I raised at least the 33 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: specter of that on social media, trying to be as 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: careful and you know, consider it as you can about 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: someone who is revered in the fight game and has 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: done a lot as well, not really that people like him, 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: but that he is a major contributor to combat sports 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: and the MMA side of the in the last eleven 39 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: or twelve years. But to me, there's a few problems. 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: He's not just losing a lot, which he did not 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: used to do, but he is getting stopped a lot, 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: which did not used to happen. He is tiring more quickly, 43 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: and he has gas tank used to be indefatigable. It's 44 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: certainly not bad by any stretch, but it's not the 45 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: same as it used to be. He's a lot slower 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: visibly than he used to be. Folks point out, and 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: they're right, they are correct, that he can still beat 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: good fighters. 49 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: That is absolutely true. 50 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: By the way, he did not beat Marlon Vera, but 51 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: he was doing quite well against him for long stretches 52 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: of that fight, and Cheeto Vera, to me is a 53 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: top ten bantamweight, maybe even a little higher, depending on 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: one's perspective. Frankie Egger made a strong account of himself, 55 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: especially in that first round and in parts of the 56 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: second to a degree as well. The issue is not 57 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: whether or not he can beat fighters. 58 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: He can do that. 59 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: The issue is at what point are we pursuing something 60 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: where the cost outweighs the benefits. Now, those benefits will 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 1: change to folks, like not losing your career and hanging 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: on for various other reasons that can keep people lingering. 63 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to point out here something to me, 64 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: there needs to be a different and broader conversation around retirement, 65 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: people usually make it out to be well. Once your 66 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: physical skills begin to decline and you're losing fights and 67 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: you can't win anymore, well, then it's time to go. 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: Here's the issue. He has experienced a ton of trauma, 69 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: a ton, and yet he can still win fights. To me, 70 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: it's not a question of whether or not he can 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: beat good fighters. So I don't think he can beat 72 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: championship caliber fighters. I think certainly those days are gone, 73 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: so he can't be that kind, which of course is 74 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: all he ever used to be, so even that is 75 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: a bit of a difference. But I mean, I just 76 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: want to go through his record here for just a 77 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: little bit. First of all, in his last five, he's one. 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: In four, he's two and let's see one, two, three, 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: So he's two and six in his last six. But 80 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: then he's two and seven. Excuse me, what am I saying? 81 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: He's two and four in his last six, he's two 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: and he's two and seven in his last What is 83 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: that nine or seven? Whatever the fuck the number is. 84 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: The point being is, yes, he's two and five. Excuse me, 85 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: he went from two and four to two and five. 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: I keep jumping numbers here, I apologize, you get the 87 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: idea though he's. 88 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: Not losing the chumps. 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: But consider Brian Ortega was sort of the first loss 90 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: that kicked us all off. He lost to Josialdo, but 91 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: he went the distance with him. Then he beat Jeremy Stevens, 92 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: and he beat Jayi Rodriguez right and he beat him 93 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: quite quite badly. Stevens was a interesting fight, but he 94 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: won that pretty cleanly. Then he loses to Brian Ortaga, 95 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: no big deal, any rebounds against a cub Swanson, but 96 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: then he has a decision against Max Okay, he gets 97 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: stopped by Chance Sung Junks. Now he's been stopped to 98 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: in his last four fights. At that point, he beats 99 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Pedro Mugno's incredible accomplishment, he gets stopped by and now 100 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: he gets stopped by Marlin. So now you have back 101 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: to back stoppages, and you could say what you want 102 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: about this one. I thought the stoppage was clean. The 103 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: last time he had a three fight losing streak was 104 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: all the way back in twenty twelve. He lost to 105 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: Benson Henderson decision, Benson Henderson's split decision, and then Jose Aldough. 106 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: He got beat up in that fight, but he didn't 107 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: get stopped in a decision when before that Frankie Edgar 108 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: versus Gray Maynard decision. So now for the first time 109 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: in his career, he is putting together strings of stoppage losses. 110 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: When you just add up even those Gray Maynard fights 111 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: and now these more latter ones, and you look at 112 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: his numbers generally, Frankie Edgar, his numbers strikes absorb per minute. 113 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: It's still low based on I think some of the 114 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: earlier parts of his work, but more recently he's been 115 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: taking a lot of damage and only st It's a 116 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: two point eight to one for the overall UFC run, 117 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: which makes sense. Again, he was hard to hit in 118 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: the early portions of his career. That is no longer 119 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: the case. Listen, I'm not even saying that retirement is 120 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: a requirement. I don't and I'm trying to rhyme. I'm 121 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: just saying I don't think that that's necessarily what we're 122 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: looking for here. But to the suggestion that it should 123 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: be considered and that it's not far off, I don't 124 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: see how that is even remotely debatable. Yes, Frankie Edgar 125 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: is so special that even at this very senior stage 126 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: of his career. He is still competitive and fights where 127 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: he loses and is capable of beating good fighters. We 128 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: saw that on August of twenty twenty, beating Pedro Munoz 129 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: the way that he did, who, by the way, is 130 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: a strong power puncher. Right, that is still possible. But 131 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: to me, there's a question that has to be asked 132 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 1: about what happens when the amount of damage one takes 133 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: his concerning and that splits apart from their ability to win. 134 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: Usually people think they coincide, not all the time. 135 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: Now. 136 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: As for the fight itself, dude, Cheeto Vera is quite impressive. 137 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: He was crediting Justin Gorilla with getting him to striking 138 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: skills to where he wanted them. I thought that he 139 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: had been remarkably well developed under Colinoyama. I don't know 140 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: what the differences account for there, but the one thing 141 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out was about Cheeto Vera. I 142 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: thought his guard is phenomenal and he is weaving in 143 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: leg upkicks with guard attacks. I'll give you a perfect example. 144 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: He tried to shove the arm through, pull one through 145 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: for a triangle, and you saw Frank Dieger pull his 146 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: way out of it, but as he pulled out of it, 147 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: Vera was already ready and had cocked back the heel 148 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: and then drilled him right in the face with it. 149 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: Like it was. Everything was smoothly integrating leg attacks, either 150 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: from the guard or from as actual strikes, And that's 151 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: what makes sense. A guy is lanky who has the 152 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: kind of guard that Cheeto Vera does, that ability to 153 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: wrestle is probably going to have some mechanical transfer over 154 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: and physical dexterity over to the ability to strike off 155 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: of your back with your legs. He is good at it, 156 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: both driving blows this way and then heel strikes almost 157 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: Taekwon dose style off his back and shoulders as he's 158 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: attacking an opponent over him. 159 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: He is quite gifted at that, quite and nimble. 160 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Also, it was pretty clear that they were adopting something 161 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: of a conservative strategy with that guard the first round, 162 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: because by the time he was going for subs and 163 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: then rolling to his base and then standing, you just wondered, 164 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: why weren't you doing that in the first round. You 165 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: could have stood up the whole time. So it was 166 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: a good takedown by Frankie. It was good grounded pound 167 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: for the most part, not too savage. He got these 168 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: licks in there. But again I thought cheto Verry did 169 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: a pretty good job in large part of off balancing 170 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: him and taking away some of those opportunities. But you know, 171 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: here's the other part about Frankie that kind of caught 172 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: my attention. It used to be the case that if 173 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: he couldn't get the takedown, he couldn't win. The Max 174 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: fight is a great example of that, right. His striking 175 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: was very much predicated as Dean Thomas had indicated on flurries, 176 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: footwork and takedowns. They all kind of have to work 177 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: in conjunction with the other. They're all built off of 178 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: one works, then the other one works, and the other 179 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: one works, and another one works, and you take that 180 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: away to take off the leg of the triangle, it 181 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: doesn't quite work so well. He got the takedown in 182 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: the first and had some takedown success in the second, 183 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: and it still didn't matter. He still got finished. See 184 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: this is my point. It's like, here's a case where 185 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: Edgar is credited with three takedowns in the fight. Did 186 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: he get a takedown in every round? Let's see, I 187 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: don't think that's right. But any attempted nine he got 188 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: one of the Yeah, frank Jegar got a takedown in 189 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: every round. He got one of three in the first, 190 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: one of four in the second, one of two in 191 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: the third, and still got beat. So this is what 192 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: I mean, right, You're losing in ways that were up 193 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: until a point impossible to not impossible, but extremely implausible. 194 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: If he was able to get the takedown previously, and 195 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: in all three rounds, that almost always meant he could 196 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: use that en route to if not a stoppage, certainly 197 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: a commanding lead. And here he still gets finished. You 198 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: saw Cheeto Vera going up the middle. They want some 199 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: linear attacks for a guy who blitzes. They wanted to 200 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: square him up. They didn't want to get blitzed at angles. 201 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: They wanted to kind of stop him in motion a 202 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: little bit, square him up. And then they wanted to 203 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: have the linear attacks up the middle because they knew 204 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: he had to close distance if they could maintain it 205 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: behind them jab and then I'm behind that middle kick, 206 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: and then he was going middle kick, middle kick, middle kick, 207 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: middle kick, and then finally he went right up under 208 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: the chin. It was a beautiful shot. I know Frankie 209 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: objected to the stoppage. Could have gone a little bit longer, maybe. 210 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: You know, but I certainly feel like. 211 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: Again within the understanding that every referee is going to 212 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: have a slightly different strike zone. And i'm'm borrowing up 213 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: from baseball if folks have been to understand what I'm 214 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: talking about there, where you know, every referee or every 215 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: umpire behind home plate is going to see the balls 216 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: and strikes a little bit differently. But this is sort 217 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: of within the realm of defensible action from a referee, 218 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: which is really all you can ask for. Yeah, I 219 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: think it's probably fine. I know it's unfortunate, but I 220 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: do think it's probably okay. So that was my read 221 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: on this fight. A great great job by Marlon Vera, 222 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: who is a talented bansamweight, and if not automatically a 223 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: moment for Edgar to retire right away, I think we 224 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: all need to begin to wrestle with the fact that 225 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: whenever the end may come, it's probably sooner than you 226 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: might think, or maybe perhaps it should be, depending on 227 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: one's perspective there. Okay, Second on the list, let's go 228 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: to the UFC debut of Alex Pereira. 229 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: We have some stats on this. 230 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: They're not too effective or meaningful two of seven takedowns 231 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: from Monreas Mikalitis or Harvey pronounced his last name. He 232 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: did what he was supposed to do, but he it 233 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: was weird, like in some of his takedown positions he 234 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: has a head kind of squashed all. 235 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: The way over because he wasn't using. 236 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: It very effectively. That was kind of a strange thing. 237 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: He was able to kind of get the takedown I 238 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: would call did they grant him one? 239 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 240 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: The two of the seven I would call the takedown 241 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: defense of Alex Pereira decent. I'd call it decent. I 242 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: certainly would not call it bad. That would be incorrect. 243 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: It might be much more open to might he might 244 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: get taken down a lot more against the more I mean, 245 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, Derek Brunson would probably give him some problems 246 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: maybe if he didn't get knocked out. I do think 247 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: that Alex Perera, by the way, is capable of knocking 248 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: out probably any top ten or top five middleweight if 249 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: they stand long enough with him. But you get my point, 250 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Like it was good enough for this fight, clearly, it's 251 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: probably good enough for another level above it. 252 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: But I guess the read. 253 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm making is that it still has a little bit 254 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: of work to do. He did not have to do 255 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: a great job of forcing separation. He was pretty good 256 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: about using the fence, his base wasn't really wide enough. 257 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: Some of the hand fighting and wizarding details got him 258 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: into a little bit of trouble. So, you know, there's 259 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: a few more things that I think can be cleaned up. 260 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: I think probably will get cleaned up, and he'll be 261 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: able to defend against a higher level opponent. The only 262 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: issue he runs into is he's thirty four, right, he's 263 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: not the youngest guy in the world. But then he 264 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: comes out and does the jumping switch knee and lands 265 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: it to perfection. I mean, you know, here's really the 266 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: reality about standing with this guy. It's just it's just 267 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: a matter of time before he's eventually going to get you. 268 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: Even if not necessarily the full on KO or TKO, 269 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: he'll land something with enough effect where it just has 270 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: devastating consequences, you know, one way or the other. He's 271 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: got that kind of ability. So this was a I 272 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: actually think a really good job of the UFC in matchmaking. 273 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: Let's get this. 274 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: Guy just the right opportunity, just the right you know, 275 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: this is a let's see exactly where from a very 276 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: basic level, let's see where his takedown defense is and 277 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: make some calls. Accordingly, he passed this test. I'm not 278 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: gonna say barely, but I wouldn't call it with like 279 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: flying colors. In terms of the take down defense, it 280 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: was good. It was good enough, but definitely some room 281 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: to improve, and definitely needs to make that improvement pretty 282 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: quickly if it's gonna happen for him. There was one 283 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: sort of note from a commentary perspective. I did hear, 284 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: like Joe Rogan going on and on about Pereira's power. 285 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: I do think Rogan is right to highlight that he 286 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: does have tremendous power. He does, but he's got a 287 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: lot of great setups and he's got a lot of 288 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: great tactical approaches that bring that to life. It's not 289 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: just that he's Vanderlin and I don't think Joe was 290 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: suggesting as much, but I just want to be clear. Yes, 291 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: he's got big power, but he's also got great accuracy 292 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: and timing and clever setups that allows him to land cleanly. 293 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: Also a lot of defensive lapses in some of his 294 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: opponents that you think, I will go away a little 295 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: bit as he climbs the ranks of the of the 296 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: middleweight division that he is powerful. Here's a lot more 297 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: than that. Just want to be clear, Okay, Bobby Green 298 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: taken on al Aya Quinto. Let me pull this up 299 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: here for just a second. On some of my other notes. 300 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: This was a very interesting result. But this is Bobby 301 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: Green's I want to say, best performance to date. I 302 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: don't think that's probably fair, but one of his better 303 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: ones for sure. So he wins via TKO two twenty 304 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: five of round one. Bobby Green has been an interesting 305 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: guy and I'm going to read you his record and 306 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: show you he has some impressive wins, to be sure. 307 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: But he's also got a few fights where he was. 308 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: In them but you know. 309 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: He had he made a strong account of himself in 310 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: a losing effort like the fight before this one against 311 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: the Fazaiev. 312 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: Similar kind of thing. 313 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: He was kind of hanging with Fazaiev and Landing did 314 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: He did well, but not enough to win the fight, 315 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: although he got Fight of the night. He had a 316 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: war with Landovanada but he won that one Fire the night, 317 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: but he lost to Massarnduba. He lost to Jaikar close 318 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: by the way, those are all decisions. He had a 319 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: decision loss to Rashid mega Matov, he had a decision 320 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: lost to Edson Barboza. He did get stopped by Dustin 321 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: Poi all the way back in twenty sixteen. And he's 322 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: beaten a who's who of names all along the way, going. 323 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: Back to his Strike Force days. 324 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: But you know, listen to the real wins before this, Kleig, Weeda, Landovanada, Alon, Patriarck, 325 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: Eric Koch, the Josh Thompson one he got, but that 326 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: was later stage. Josh Thompson, James Krauss, Jacob Bookman, and 327 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: so forth. I Quinta is up there with I mean, 328 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: Josh Thompson's probably the best name on the resume that 329 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: he's got to win over. But given the time at 330 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: which he fought him, still in oppressive. But I don't know, 331 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: I aquent, it might be his best win. It legitimately 332 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: might be his best win. Because Al's been a top 333 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: five guy in this division. I don't think he's top 334 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: five at the moment. I know he's been off for 335 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: a while. I think it was like two years. Let 336 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: me double check that. Let's see and then we'll talk 337 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: about the fight itself. Yeah, he last fought Hooker in yeah, 338 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: October of twenteteen, so he'd been off for a really 339 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: long time. By the way, he's lost four of his 340 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: last five. The win only has Kevin Lee, although one 341 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: of the other losses was never commande off on last 342 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: minute notice. 343 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: So more like three in a row and which you 344 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: get the idea. 345 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: Okay, So Bobby Green has always had these moral victories 346 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: in fights where he's competitive but kind of loses. This 347 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: is the first time where I thought you really got 348 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: a sense of his overall ability. He's gotten nice wins 349 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: via decision against some good opponents, but a lot of 350 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: times it's just by that by decision where he has 351 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: to kind of grind it down a little bit. He 352 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: has flashes of brilliance. Here he was just in a 353 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: flow state from the get go. There was a real difference. 354 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: It seemed to me Al was walking into a lot 355 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: of punches. I think that you had a guy in 356 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: Bobby Green. You saw Dean Thomas talk about his hands 357 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: being down, but also is timing to deliver those Yeah. 358 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: Yes, he couldn't see them, but he was. He was 359 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: throwing him. 360 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: Just at the right moment to split Al's timing or 361 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: just get ahead of any kind of exchange to land 362 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: at his range before Al could change the equation there. 363 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: He was just really on point with that, And so 364 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: you even saw that final one where they talked about it. 365 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: He had been in one stance. He had kind of 366 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: gone square and then lunged in from the power side 367 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: and then went to the jab side, which I think 368 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: caught out a little bit by surprise as he was 369 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: trying to move in to that space. 370 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: Just phenomenal timing. 371 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: It just shows you when Green is dialed in, he 372 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: you can't have a lot of errors about distance closing. Again, 373 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, you got to give out a little bit 374 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: of a break here. Two years away from the Oxgon. 375 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: I know some folks think there's no such thing as 376 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: ring rust and blah blah blah. Again, for some folks, 377 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: maybe that's true. My general rule is ring rust affects 378 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: most fighters in most sitchuations most of the time. Right, 379 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: So here's the case, we're two years off. I think 380 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: it's entirely understandable that Al didn't necessarily look his best 381 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: or get going in the way that he needed to. 382 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: The one thing that I think I sort of took 383 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: from that was. I just didn't see a ton of 384 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: fainting from Al. I don't know how intentional or not 385 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: that was. I don't know exactly what he saw or 386 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: what they had game planned around, but it just seems 387 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: like for a guy like Bobby who's real slick and 388 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: his hands are a certain position, getting him to react first, 389 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: if at all possible, And again, very easy for me 390 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: to say that, and much harder for someone else to 391 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: do it, but it does seem like that probably could 392 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: have helped still Bobby Green, great win by him. He 393 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 1: has been long in the tooth in his career. He's 394 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: been around a long time, and that's you know, some 395 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: of these guys just improve in their mid to late thirties. 396 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 1: He old is Bobby Bobby currently sits at yeah, thirty five. 397 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: Thirty five for a lightweight is not young. But we're 398 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: seeing this is the time where some of these guys 399 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: in the game, they're always good, and they stay good 400 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: for a while, and they're up and they're down, but 401 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: they're good, and then you see, like right around thirty 402 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: four thirty five, they begin to just turn another corner, 403 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: and Bobby Green might be one of those guys. 404 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: Great win by him, all right. 405 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: So let's get to it. Nasor a dean, nasor dein. 406 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: My friend's dad's name is Nora Deen. I think, by 407 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: the way, dean means light in Arabic and nasur means 408 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: like faith, so like light of the faith something like that. 409 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how it translates. Mvov taken on 410 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: Edmund Shabazi and Jesus Christ. Edmund Shabazi is in a 411 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: bad place. Here's what got me about this fight. And 412 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: by the way, then let me give you the exact 413 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: reading on the victory four forty two of the second round. 414 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: He didn't make it to the third man. 415 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: Okay. 416 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: At range, Edmund Shabazian is a handful, accurate, powerful, great timing, linear, 417 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: good footwork. 418 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: You know he's good. He is. He is excellent actually 419 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: at range. 420 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: So I don't understand why he was at many times 421 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: accommodating Imovov in. 422 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: Close range. 423 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: And the other thing that just blew my mind was, 424 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I get Imovov was trying to put the 425 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: fight there at times, but then he would reverse and 426 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: then just accommodate it rather than like, you know, you 427 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: need to be thinking about getting away at not getting away, 428 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: you need to be thinking about creating the distance that 429 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: brings your distance striking game to life as a as 430 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: a must, as a premium. Right, like in the way 431 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: that that israel out design, you would do it. He 432 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: would fight in the in the way in which he 433 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: was made to. But then if it wasn't made to anymore, 434 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: he's right back to where he needs to go, and 435 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: then he just kicks a shit out of people. So 436 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: I didn't see that instinct. 437 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: Number one. Here was the other problem. His wrestling looked 438 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: pretty good, certainly much improved. It was as grappling. 439 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: I just I didn't get listen, you guys know, man, 440 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to cheer for the Armenian guy ten times 441 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: out of ten. Right, my mother was Armenian. I'm always 442 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: going to be trying to you know, their success is 443 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 1: always going to be important for me. 444 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: But I don't. 445 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: He gets to the ground and then just kind of 446 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: falls apart. I didn't under I did not see any 447 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: defensive urgency in the grappling game, which can tell you 448 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: maybe one of two things or more than this. My 449 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: two best explanatory hypotheses are one, he got tired and 450 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: if you've got gas issues at that point, from that 451 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: kind of a fight, then that's a larger problem. And 452 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: the other one was he knew he was outmatched there 453 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: and so realized that there was a futility in overly 454 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: trying to spaz out and resist, In which case, why 455 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: is there that much of a gap? Imovov is good 456 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: on the ground, very good. I don't mean to say 457 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: that this was something that like anybody could have beaten. 458 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: Quite the opposite. Maybe he would have won no matter what. 459 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: But like there was just an ease with which he 460 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: found mounted crucifix that should not have happened. Now, yes, 461 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: it's the kurt Ocianda rule. Well what are you supposed 462 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: to do when you're. 463 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: In that position? 464 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: Well, if you get mounted into a mounted crucifix, you 465 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: fucked up a long time ago. Like the way to 466 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: fix that was not now, it was a long time ago. 467 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: But there are other ways to get out of it 468 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: and stuff, Right, there's things you can do. But I 469 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: didn't understand why he was not didn't have the urgency 470 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: about range that maximized his game, And I did not 471 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: understand how it just it just collapsed once it went 472 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: to the mat unless you could get right back up, 473 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: or or it was some kind of wrestling exchange. But 474 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: once he went to his back, you know, contrast that 475 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: with Cheeto Verol on his back, Cheeto Vera on his back. 476 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: I mean he had Frank yeggar on his minding his 477 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: p's and q's right. Gotta be careful about the ground 478 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: and pound. Can't get overly extended to one across the 479 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: center line with your elbow, watch your posture, Watch out 480 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: for submission threat, watch out for the upkicks on the 481 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: submission threat. Like he's he's working and by the way, 482 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: and recapturing guard like preventing the past. Frank Yegger is 483 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: a black belt and jitsu. He knows how to pass 484 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: guard probably really well. Contrast that with what you saw here. 485 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: It was. 486 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: I didn't understand that at all. So it's a nice 487 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: win by him. Evolv like he did everything he was 488 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: supposed to. I thought he looked pretty good for the 489 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: most part. On the feet, Shabazi in a little bit better, 490 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: but then in those tight ranges he was just getting 491 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: hit and then not getting back to like a really 492 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: sticking move, hardcore. 493 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: Kind of game. I don't know. 494 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: I also have to say I think they've rattled his confidence. 495 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: I mean, understand his run has been just the worst 496 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: kind of run you could get. And here's what I mean. 497 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: You don't want to get out in front of your 498 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 1: skis in the UFC because the bounce back is going 499 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: to be potentially unmanageable. What I mean to say is 500 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: you want to get the like, don't like coaches out there. 501 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: Don't rush your fighters. Don't fucking rush him, man, Don't 502 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: do it, golly, because you're gonna get in a situation 503 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: like this, and. 504 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: He is only twenty three. 505 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: This is a resolvable situation, you hope, unless they've absolutely 506 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: ruined his confidence, which I wonder about as well. 507 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: What sucks about what happened to him? 508 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: And I was cheerleading it the whole way too, but 509 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: kind of gave you the hebgb's. He made his UFS, 510 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: he made his Contender Series debut after just six fights. 511 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: It's like at twenty one, just six fights, like you 512 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: need a little bit more time, man. That's the first 513 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: pright part part. Then he has he has to wrestle 514 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: his way against Darren Stewart, which was okay, learning experience 515 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: blue Away, Charles Bird, blue Away, Jack Marshman. Then they 516 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: jumped him up to Brad Tavares. Now Brad Tavares did lose. 517 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: He loses the va. 518 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: Headkick in the first round, and you're thinking, he said, 519 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: my god, this guy is shabazi and just can't lose. 520 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: But then they put him into the portion of the 521 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: swimming pool that he just cannot handle. Derek Bronson put 522 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: a beating on him. Jack Hermanson put a beating on him, 523 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: and now Imovov, who's a good fighter but not up 524 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: to this level, previously put a beating on him. So 525 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: he's had three beatings basically in a row. Dude, they 526 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 1: got a dial it back big time with him. They 527 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: should start from scratch at this point. As far as 528 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm concerned. That doesn't mean that every experience he's gotten 529 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: up to this point is invaluable or he can't take 530 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: that stuff with it. All I mean to say is, 531 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: in terms of the difficulty of opponent, dial it way back. 532 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: If that means unranked, then it means I mean, I 533 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: think I may have been on rank. I'm not sure 534 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: what his ranking was, So don't super dead wrong me. 535 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: They need to really really dial that back, I mean, get. 536 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: It way way way back, otherwise you're gonna ruin this 537 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: guy's confidence. It's not just the three losses, it's how 538 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: they've happened. They've been thorough bad, humiliating. It's time to 539 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: stop the bleeding, dial it back, get him a fight 540 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: he can win, and then slowly rebuild him slowly, and 541 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: I think then you'll be in a better position. Because 542 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: it's not to me that I mind that he lost 543 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: his third. It's that it all just instantly collapsed in 544 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: situations where it should not happen that way. It should 545 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: have been much more resistance underneath from him. And then 546 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: how about lastly, Ian Gary taking on Jordan Williams. A 547 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: great win by Ian Gary. You know, I feel that 548 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: for Jordan Williams. He loses at four point fifty nine 549 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: of round number one, although he wouldn't have recovered anyway. 550 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: The belt the bell cannot save you remember that, So 551 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: he would have lost that one anyway. But so he 552 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: was having a ton of success with these wide hooks 553 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: because Gary, as they pointed out, his hands would drop 554 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: through combination as he exited, and he was doing a 555 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: lot of leaning. It wasn't like he was he was 556 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: doing some rolling. I want to give him credit. Actually 557 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: he was trying. He was doing some roll he was 558 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: doing a lot of leaning on the escape, so you 559 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: just keep following it up and then the next one 560 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: kind of lance and his face was bleeding. He was 561 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: getting tuned up a little bit. I thought he showed 562 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: some good defensive wrestling. I thought he showed some good 563 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: that headkick he landed where he was kind of he 564 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: was baiting by dropping his headload, dropping his head loot, 565 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: waiting for Jordan to cut Williams to come in, and 566 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: then backing up, taking a step, and then throwing the 567 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: head kick. The only reason it didn't really work is 568 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: maybe quite where it landed. Also because of that quick 569 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: step and throw. There probably wasn't a whole lot of 570 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: mustard on it. But that was really really nice. If 571 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: he can perfect that a little bit, he's gonna tear 572 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: people up with it. Like he's he's athletic, he's rangy, 573 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: has a great attitude. 574 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: So those are all the good parts. 575 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: And that and that's and by the way, he didn't 576 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: just step back when Williams was blitzing for the final finish. 577 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: He stepped back at an angle, right, so he's back 578 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: and at an at an angle, and so it was 579 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: because of that he was able to get on the 580 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: inside of the paunch. He split the timing. It was perfect. 581 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that was beautiful, beautiful work from Ian Gary. 582 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: He should be super proud of himself. 583 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: But he is young. 584 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: He himself said it, So with every young prospect, there's 585 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: gonna be good, there's gonna be bad. 586 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: The bad ones obviously. 587 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: I think you guys can tell he has some defensive 588 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: issues that it was gonna be necessary to work on, 589 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: and he's in a great camp to get that done. 590 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure he will. Could be just a matter of time. 591 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: This is you know, we're just talking about something. None 592 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: of these fighters are perfect, and I think for the 593 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: ones at the beginning of their journey, you're going to 594 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: see some of their issues a little bit more on display. 595 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: Definitely some things in the striking department to clean up. 596 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: Maybe some choices about offense, which which which weapons to 597 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: use at certain times you could argue as well. But 598 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: you can see his counter punching and his uh, you know, 599 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: absorbing of of pressure is going to be formidable, and 600 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: I think you know he'll have he seems like he 601 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: has the kind of disposition to want to put guys 602 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: on the back foot anyway, So a ton to like. 603 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: But he was definitely getting hit a little too much 604 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: from straight and hooking punches. So there's some there's some 605 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: defensive issues there, but for a UFC debut, unbelievable finished flash, 606 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: some real strengths yep along the way. So so the 607 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: package is good but as an overall fighter, but definitely 608 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: some things to clean up for sure. All right, very quickly, 609 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: two pieces of honorable mention if I can go to 610 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: it won Paty Micks defeating James gallaher. 611 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: Oh, this is a bad loss. 612 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: For gallaher Man. I like the guy a lot, I 613 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: really do. I thought his choice to go to Glory 614 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: m Man fitness is and remains the right one. He 615 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: has beloved in his home country, which you could see. 616 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: I like the guy a lot. I think he gets 617 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: a bad rap in the media and I fear that. 618 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: You know, listen, he was on a four fight win streak. 619 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: Beltore was giving him fights to get back right. You know, 620 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: at some point they have to walk through that door 621 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: as as guys who can beat other good fighters, and 622 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: he just hasn't quite done that yet. Now here's the 623 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: good news. He's twenty five years of age. I didn't 624 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: like a lot of the choices. He was pulling guillotine 625 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: in the second round and then just didn't really seem 626 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: to either want or. 627 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: Have the ability to get up. 628 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: Paty Mix is a phenomenal grappler. Please don't think he 629 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: was fighting some scrub because he's not fighting in UFC. No, no, no, 630 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 1: Patri Mix is excellent. But he looked a little languid 631 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: from the weight cut. Anyway, For James Gallaher, he's twenty five. 632 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: He's twenty five. It's time to go back to the 633 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: lab and just really really work on skills, maybe putting 634 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: on the gee or something, just getting back to really 635 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: establishing I'm almost say that metaphorically in a way, just 636 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: getting back to classes, showing up, learning as much as 637 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: you can. And you know, it's easy for me to 638 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: say that, like, oh, don't take fights, but this is 639 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: how they make their living. But I'm just saying you're 640 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: asking me, like, what's needed. What's needed is some time 641 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: in the lab and opponents that are suitable for him, 642 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: and I think probably in a couple of years he 643 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: can he can turn a corner. But he's in a 644 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: space where they want him to headline and he's not 645 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: ready to beat headlining guys. Yet it's just it's just 646 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 1: the reality at this point, but not forever. And by 647 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: the way, great win by Patchy Mix. He sat to 648 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: Gates and did you notice if you look, you can 649 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: see all of the back of the neck of Gallagher 650 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: and you can see the back of his in the 651 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: base of his skull. In fact, when Pati Mix was 652 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: sitting for it, he was sitting in a way where 653 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: it was just it was like a Jeff Glover type 654 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: where the the grip was just around the crown of 655 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: the head. That's a hard that's a special guillotine to 656 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: pull off. And Patchy Mix did it in the main event. 657 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: That's very, very impressive. Number one. And then the last 658 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: thing I would say is Phil Hawes and Chris Curtis. 659 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: Phil Hawes looked great, but then. 660 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: I think got a little bit too confident with the 661 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: range in which he was throwing and stopped fainting and 662 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: just walk right into one and that was all it took. 663 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: I feel so happy for Chris Curtis, although you know 664 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was like shining before, but he 665 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: was being patient, found his moment and he won the fight. 666 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens with him, great win for him. 667 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: I feel bad for Phil Hawes because he just can't 668 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: quite seem to He seems so skilled and so athletic, 669 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: and yet still gets stopped a lot, and it just 670 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be that way, I don't. I don't know how 671 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: much more I could say about it than that, but overall, 672 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: congratulations to all the winners and to all the folks 673 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: who didn't end up on the winning side. We still 674 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: appreciate that you fought, and I'm sure it'll be a 675 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: better day for you ahead. 676 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: All right, So. 677 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: That's what we have here on the podcast today. Like 678 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: the video, thank you guys so much for watching. What 679 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: did you like? What was your favorite fight? Leave a 680 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: comment below and yeah, I'll see you guys next week 681 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: for episode eight, and until then, enjoy the fights.