WEBVTT - Andrew Levitas Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>Will Will.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking all clean cut, it's all gone. When did you

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<v Speaker 2>do this yesterday? How's it feel? It feels pretty great?

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<v Speaker 2>It looks great, man, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks so good.

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<v Speaker 2>You like it?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Writer?

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<v Speaker 1>Does writer like it better? Long?

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<v Speaker 2>What? No?

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<v Speaker 3>I like you?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I do like.

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<v Speaker 2>It better long.

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<v Speaker 4>In general, I think Will has excellent hair, and I

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<v Speaker 4>like to see more of it. But I think this

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<v Speaker 4>looks great. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>This couldn't deal with it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I'm you know what I'm noticing.

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<v Speaker 5>Your bone structure is really just is I can see

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<v Speaker 5>your bone structure. Whereas for thank you, maybe because your

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<v Speaker 5>long flowing locks were so distracting, I didn't notice, but

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<v Speaker 5>now that you have that off like your jaw, everything's

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<v Speaker 5>all like sharp.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I like a sharp jaw. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sigma face. Yeah dude, you go you always have it

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<v Speaker 2>was it felt so The greatest part was actually he's it.

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<v Speaker 6>Because he's more seconds now Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Lovely great, great.

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<v Speaker 2>In two seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that your head is more square.

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<v Speaker 2>Square, got a lego head now? Very happy?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>I I ran into the one and only mister Wilfredell

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<v Speaker 5>and his gorgeous wife Susan At of course the tapangam all,

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<v Speaker 5>because all them all.

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<v Speaker 1>Where else do we go on a weekend?

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<v Speaker 5>But Will was shopping for some new clothes and he

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<v Speaker 5>looked York.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked pretty dapper.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm pretty happy. I got two whole new outfits. Where

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<v Speaker 6>I met a guy shout out Marco Nordstrom's, who's like, uh,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm I'm gonna address you from from top to bottom.

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<v Speaker 5>Good.

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<v Speaker 6>So literally, you know, toes to tip, that's God, from

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<v Speaker 6>my feet to my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put it that way. And to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>I first went to another store.

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<v Speaker 6>I won't say the name, but I went to another

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<v Speaker 6>store and I bought an outfit myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wow, I like that jacket, and so a

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<v Speaker 2>guy there helped me.

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<v Speaker 6>And so I then went to Nordstrom and I got

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<v Speaker 6>the second outfit, and Marco said, do me a favor.

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<v Speaker 6>When you come back to get fitted for this one

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<v Speaker 6>you just bought, bring the outfit you bought yourself and

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<v Speaker 6>try it on for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to see how it looks. And I

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<v Speaker 2>went sure.

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<v Speaker 6>So I brought the outfit and he looked at me

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<v Speaker 6>for two seconds, went nope, no, nope, what And even

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<v Speaker 6>Sue went uh, and even I looked at it and went, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't like this at all anymore. And he's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>we're gonna we're gonna return all that and we're going

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<v Speaker 6>to start over. And he got me the whole second

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<v Speaker 6>outfit that day too, and I returned the whole first one.

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<v Speaker 2>It took him two seconds. He looked at me, I

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<v Speaker 2>walked out.

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<v Speaker 1>He went, when you.

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<v Speaker 5>Bought the first outfit from the first store, did you

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<v Speaker 5>try it on?

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<v Speaker 6>Or did you?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, no, I did, because it's a pretty.

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<v Speaker 5>Will thing to just look at a shirt, hold it up,

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<v Speaker 5>go yeah, this is good, and then be like that'll

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<v Speaker 5>this will go with this jacket right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then leave.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 6>I actually I I tried it all on and I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, man, this looks like something from Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 6>And then when I put it on again, I was like,

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<v Speaker 6>oh man, this this this looks like something from Star Wars.

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<v Speaker 1>Stormtrooper like huh, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was more.

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<v Speaker 6>It was more Luke Skywalker on yeah on, tattooing a

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<v Speaker 6>little a little tan on tan, staring up at the

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<v Speaker 6>two moons, wondering if I'm ever going.

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<v Speaker 3>To live.

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<v Speaker 6>Like jacket too, and the jacket was this like something

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<v Speaker 6>he would have worn, And then I didn't realize there was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a sheen to it, so it was odd because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it was five. But the new one, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>very excited Daniel saw it. I'm very excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Good writer. What are you wearing to New York?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, man. I tried to go shopping and

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<v Speaker 4>just had a panic attack. It was awful because.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex was going to talk to Marco. I'll go with you.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I walked into some giant apartment store. I

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<v Speaker 4>walked around, you know, she was shopping in her floor,

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<v Speaker 4>so I was alone.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awful, and I did buy a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>They returned most of them.

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<v Speaker 4>And then and then I just decided to go online

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<v Speaker 4>and buy everything and return everything. So I bought like

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<v Speaker 4>so many clothes online from like all my favorite chops

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<v Speaker 4>online and now I'm just in the process of returning ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>Five percent of them, which is kind of a pain.

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<v Speaker 4>The order. I'm like, this is the payoff, right. I

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<v Speaker 4>get the privacy of my own home and trying things on,

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<v Speaker 4>But then when you have to return it, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>some use the post office, some use ups drop off.

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<v Speaker 4>Some use FedEx, then another one uses DHL. Who's still

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<v Speaker 4>using d anyway, I had four different stops to returns

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<v Speaker 4>if I I still haven't returned everything. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>think I've got some outfits. I don't know, Man, I

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<v Speaker 4>go to market actual this this year this time, like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just like, I don't know, like I always, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I always try and do like a blazer

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<v Speaker 4>to be more like fancy or formal.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, and it just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 4>It never works for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I like you in a blazer.

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<v Speaker 6>You got this the school teacher going on people hot professor,

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<v Speaker 6>people love that for teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks, I don't, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to do it this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys. Sorry, it's all right, we're not We're not upset

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 6>What's none of us are asking you, Danielle, because it

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't matter what we're wearing anyway. I go to.

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<v Speaker 2>Blurry garbage bags, like, hey, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 6>This is a yeah, this is a hefty really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to matter. What the hell I should

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<v Speaker 2>we should you know?

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<v Speaker 3>I should just be in.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, exactly, we should know we should really do just

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<v Speaker 6>to really pissed you off is find out what she's

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<v Speaker 6>wearing and wear exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think that would piss me, Oh, she.

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<v Speaker 4>Would love it if we just had like many versions

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<v Speaker 4>of whenever she was wearing.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, oh my gosh, literally nothing could make me happier

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<v Speaker 5>than the idea of the three.

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<v Speaker 1>Of us dressed the same That would be great.

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<v Speaker 4>Have to be tiny, so they're like two tights or

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<v Speaker 4>like bursting out of them, right, yeah, so it's like

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<v Speaker 4>we're wearing her size stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually they noticed people would see us.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be cute.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know what else would be even better is

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<v Speaker 5>if we could if we really wanted to do it,

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<v Speaker 5>because like, the three of us together wearing the same

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<v Speaker 5>clothes as kind of my dream.

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<v Speaker 1>I could wear men's wear.

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<v Speaker 5>I could like I could you know, like if you

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<v Speaker 5>guys wanted to, we could buy matching cool suits.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm okay, awesome.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it would be like your Chicago number and Dancing

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<v Speaker 4>with the stars, right, because you guys are all.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, yes with a tie cool? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, oh that PIXI excited.

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<v Speaker 5>I am possibly wearing a very short skirt to the

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<v Speaker 5>premiere so that you guys would look great. It would

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<v Speaker 5>be a great opportunity to show off your legs.

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<v Speaker 2>I got killer legs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's wanted to see your hobbit feet both.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically for the waist out. This is perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>Like if you could just crap me for how I

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<v Speaker 4>am presumed in real life, everyone would be happy.

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<v Speaker 6>You and your friends save the shire Rider. You deserve

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<v Speaker 6>all the accolades.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Upon Meets World. I'm Danielle Vishel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm right strong, and I'm Wilford Dell.

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<v Speaker 5>Over our seven seasons of recaps, we have uncovered a

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<v Speaker 5>lot about Boy Meets World that, when all is said

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<v Speaker 5>and done, we hope we made rewatching the show a

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<v Speaker 5>little more enjoyable. We organically figured out who the original

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<v Speaker 5>Tapanga was, we were reminded of the hidden lobsters, we

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<v Speaker 5>discovered photos of random food in the apartment kitchen, and

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<v Speaker 5>though we'll probably never know who the creepy janitor was,

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<v Speaker 5>we've come a long way. But nothing from the past

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<v Speaker 5>three years of this podcast could have prepared us for

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<v Speaker 5>the deep dive adventure that this week's guest put us

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<v Speaker 5>on after we rewatched his guest star appearance, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 5>this completely shocked by a guest we knew nothing about

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<v Speaker 5>before this podcast. In the memorable season seven episode What

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<v Speaker 5>a Drag, he appeared as Crazy Luthor, the leather jacket

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<v Speaker 5>wearing college criminal who was so intimidating to Jack and

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<v Speaker 5>Eric that they decide to dress as women to hide

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<v Speaker 5>from his wrath. But somehow that's maybe the least interesting

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<v Speaker 5>thing he's done in his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Truth is, I bet.

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<v Speaker 5>Friends of the filmmaker, artist, actor, producer, fatis hographer, activist

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<v Speaker 5>don't even know he was on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>After acting as a kid on shows like.

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<v Speaker 5>Boy Meets World, The Nanny and Party of Five, the

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<v Speaker 5>NYU grad would expand his creative resume with a social

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<v Speaker 5>impact art career that led The New York Times to

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<v Speaker 5>say he has the Midas touch. His metalwork installations are

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<v Speaker 5>considered an artistic breakthrough, connecting photography, sculpture, and contemporary art

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<v Speaker 5>through a copyrighted signature method transferring images onto custom transparencies

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<v Speaker 5>that are then melted onto multi interlocking metal sheets. Will

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<v Speaker 5>you're really into that too?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 5>I am?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean yes, I love melting things onto multi

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<v Speaker 6>interlocking metal sheets. I mean I thought I was the

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<v Speaker 6>only one, but I'd love to know there's another one out.

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<v Speaker 5>There doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I didn't. Most people don't know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>an expert in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally can't even picture what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't either.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I can't wait to talk to him. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the hell that is.

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<v Speaker 5>But even though his works are sold by auction houses,

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<v Speaker 5>acquired by museums, and the talk of international art fairs,

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<v Speaker 5>he also found time to write and direct the twenty

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<v Speaker 5>fourteen movie Lullaby starring Amy Adams, Richard Jenkins, Terrence Howard,

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<v Speaker 5>and Jennifer Hudson, plus the twenty twenty critically acclaimed film Minamata,

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<v Speaker 5>all about the photojournalist Eugene Smith's expose of corporate negligence

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<v Speaker 5>and government cover ups in a Japanese coastal town, starring

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<v Speaker 5>Johnny Depp. He's also produced numerous movies focusing on actors

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<v Speaker 5>turned directors, like Julie Delfi for My Zoe or Christoph

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<v Speaker 5>Waltz in his debut behind the camera Georgetown Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He also co wrote a comic super Cool Is it Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you're looking at super Cool?

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<v Speaker 6>It's these big, huge metal whoa like enormous metal things

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<v Speaker 6>with all these cool pit you like like, look at

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<v Speaker 6>this one, I mean just.

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<v Speaker 2>Super cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's yeah, wow, okay geez alrighty.

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<v Speaker 5>Then he also co wrote a comic book with Andy

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<v Speaker 5>Serkis tout as part time professor at his All Guest

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<v Speaker 5>lectured at Yale, tadd a masterclass in Athens, married, an

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<v Speaker 5>award winning British classical singer, launched his own Gin brand,

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<v Speaker 5>and is an outspoken advocate on environmental protection and wildlife

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<v Speaker 5>conservation as a global patron for the Wilderness Foundation and

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<v Speaker 5>an ambassador of Tusk Trust, a British nonprofit organization focusing

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<v Speaker 5>on protecting African elephants, rhinos, lions and all endangered species

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<v Speaker 5>across the continent. And yeah, he was on an episode

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<v Speaker 5>of Boy Meets World, But who cares crazy?

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<v Speaker 6>Seriously, I got a haircut and it was like my

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<v Speaker 6>whole day. I can't imagine that.

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<v Speaker 2>My God.

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<v Speaker 5>Today we welcome someone who we have to assume thinks

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<v Speaker 5>this podcast is stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>It's multi hyphenate and recipient.

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<v Speaker 5>Of our longest intro, Andrew Levitas.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey how are you? Andrew?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>We are?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much for even responding to our email.

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<v Speaker 5>We just ran down your resume and we've never felt lazier.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's great to see you guys have been about

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<v Speaker 3>a million years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, just about that.

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<v Speaker 3>The way you guys have this awesome podcast, I wasn't aware,

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<v Speaker 3>and now I've listened a bit. It's totally great and

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<v Speaker 3>it's so cool you guys all get to be together.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>I know that part is really nice. We'll just got

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<v Speaker 5>a haircut yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>Congratulations.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It did take up his whole day.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my whole day.

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<v Speaker 6>We were reading your stuff and looking at your artwork

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<v Speaker 6>and all the things you've done. And by the time

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<v Speaker 6>we got to Wildlife Conservation, I was like, I had

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<v Speaker 6>a sandwich, Like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so yeah, you've already made us feel bad

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<v Speaker 2>about ourselves. Andrew, thank you for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 5>For coming on the show, Andrew, I do have to ask,

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<v Speaker 5>because it is worth asking considering the amount of actual

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<v Speaker 5>artistic work you have done.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember being on Boy Meets World?

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<v Speaker 3>I do, though it was a fun jog down memory

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<v Speaker 3>lane searching for it and watching the episode again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember at the time, you know, for me, I

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<v Speaker 3>was a tourist as an actor, right like I never

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<v Speaker 3>set out in my life to be an actor. For me,

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<v Speaker 3>I always knew i'd be a filmmaker. I was already

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<v Speaker 3>having museum exhibitions at the time that I came on

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<v Speaker 3>with you guys, and it was just an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>learn and be around other artists and see what you

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<v Speaker 3>guys were doing and become a better filmmaker someday. So

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<v Speaker 3>for me, it was wild to see it because I

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<v Speaker 3>was so open to just being like an idiot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like just going for it and not being stressed about

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<v Speaker 3>it and having a fun time. But it's quite wild

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<v Speaker 3>what was in that episode?

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, you mean you didn't take away great artistic truths.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry and shocking at the place that's open all

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<v Speaker 6>night long?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, wait, what, how is this not affecting

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<v Speaker 2>your whole career?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a truly baffling episode, you know it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was super cool to be with you guys. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys had done at that time was amazing. Right

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<v Speaker 3>to have a series that had gone that long with

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<v Speaker 3>the same folks were all seemed lovely and beautiful. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I remember about that week because I'd

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<v Speaker 3>done so much stuff over the years, like prior to that,

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<v Speaker 3>just how warm and familyish and how excited everyone was.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like just how happy everybody was, or at least

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<v Speaker 3>it felt that way to be coming in like that's

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<v Speaker 3>not normally at least it's not part for the course.

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<v Speaker 3>It should be normal, right.

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<v Speaker 5>That makes me so happy to hear, because we have

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<v Speaker 5>talked a lot about the fact that by the time

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<v Speaker 5>we got to season seven, we were all in various

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<v Speaker 5>stages of disconnect. Disconnect good, that's a great way of

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<v Speaker 5>saying it. And so it's good to know that when

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<v Speaker 5>someone who wasn't there with us week after week came

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<v Speaker 5>in and got to spend an entire week with us,

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<v Speaker 5>the feeling you still walked away from was that everyone

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<v Speaker 5>was warm and happy to be there.

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<v Speaker 3>So good to hear it.

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<v Speaker 6>So, Andrew, you said that you you were almost taking it.

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<v Speaker 6>Were you were you auditioning because you just wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>become a better filmmaker. Was there any part of you

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<v Speaker 6>that wanted to be an actor to stay in the

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<v Speaker 6>acting industry or was this just like, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 6>going to be a fun part to learn the rest

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<v Speaker 6>of the industry, but if I get a job great.

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<v Speaker 2>Or were you calling your manager every day like the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of us, going what's next? Do I have an audition?

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not even sure if I had. I must

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<v Speaker 3>have had an agent or manager at that point. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. I don't remember. But my like, the acting

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<v Speaker 3>side of my life was like a like an accidental

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<v Speaker 3>thing that happened, and it just kept I mean, like

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<v Speaker 3>all of your listeners who are actors are going to hate.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, but I just couldn't stop getting parts.

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<v Speaker 3>One of those things where I was like, listen, anything

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<v Speaker 3>that anybody wants me to do, I'm psyched to get

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity and have a different experience and meet other

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<v Speaker 3>actors and meet other filmmakers and you know, and spend

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<v Speaker 3>time with different elements of you know, production, and talk

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<v Speaker 3>to different crew and just have that have that time

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<v Speaker 3>and enjoy it and not feel pressure of this is

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<v Speaker 3>my life and my passion I was. I felt fortunate

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<v Speaker 3>and blessed to do it. Whatever money I made as

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<v Speaker 3>an actor, I spent on canvases and cameras and materials,

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<v Speaker 3>and it really got me through a pretty sizeable chunk

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<v Speaker 3>of those early days and it was amazing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I I got really lucky. I stumbled onto

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<v Speaker 3>being on a soap opera in the early days. I

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<v Speaker 3>went and visited a friend on a soap they were

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<v Speaker 3>casting a boyfriend for her, and we were young, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and like eighteens. I was growing up in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember the producers being like, so, are you

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<v Speaker 3>an actor? And I was like, yeah, sure, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had acted on you know, I'd acted on

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<v Speaker 3>school plays and that kind of stuff, but I wasn't like,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, whatever, and I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>hear the sides, like do you want to take it home?

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, let's go now, it's fine, no

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<v Speaker 3>no stress. And I read it and I got that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I did, have, however, many episodes of that soap

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<v Speaker 3>opera and it was funny and fun and easy. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I like went on one audition in New York

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<v Speaker 3>just because it came out of maybe it was the

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<v Speaker 3>same casting people or something, and I ended up flying

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<v Speaker 3>to La at a screen test, which I didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>know what that was at the time, on a series

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<v Speaker 3>for the WB which had just started, and they couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>find their you know, tough Italian guy, which like I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't tough or Italian by the way, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like it was a little type casting that really went

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<v Speaker 3>on over the years, and the next thing I knew,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, had my own series, flew to La

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<v Speaker 3>stayed at that like you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>they're one of your sponsors or not, but the crappy

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<v Speaker 3>apartment thing that everyone stays at the Woods. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was super fun and interesting, and you know, I was

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<v Speaker 3>paying attention, like I was learning. I was out there

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<v Speaker 3>to learn and see what was going on. And then

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<v Speaker 3>it just kept sort of happening for a while, and

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<v Speaker 3>I never said no, Like if you wanted me to

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<v Speaker 3>do your thing, I did your thing. And there were

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<v Speaker 3>wild ones too, like I remember getting offered a I

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<v Speaker 3>never had an audition, getting offered a like weird campy

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<v Speaker 3>off Broadway, like strange, you know off Broadway show that

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<v Speaker 3>had run for a long time that had this cult following.

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<v Speaker 3>They were going to make a feature of called Psycho

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<v Speaker 3>Beach Party, and at the time, I'm like, yeah, sure, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll play like a repressed sexually repressed surfer and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the gidget era, and no problem, right, yeah, But like

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<v Speaker 3>that film suddenly was that Sundance suddenly was having this

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<v Speaker 3>god and they were amazing, Like Lauren Ambrose was in

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<v Speaker 3>that movie, Amy Adams was in that film. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>made all these friends and all these relationships that served

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<v Speaker 3>me served me later and I learned from it. So

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<v Speaker 3>it was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>You're that guy. And then as I was leaving, I

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<v Speaker 2>tripped over a lottery ticket and I won. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the craziest thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to end horribly for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Knock wood, knock good, go outside, turn around and spit.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to say that.

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<v Speaker 5>So do you have any memory of your Boy Meets

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<v Speaker 5>World audition? You did have perfect hair for Michael Jacobs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't, okay. I assumed that I went in

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<v Speaker 3>and read at some point. I don't know how it

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<v Speaker 3>came about. I don't know what it was, but I

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<v Speaker 3>have no memory of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Had you ever seen a Boy Meets World episode before

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<v Speaker 5>you were cast on the show?

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<v Speaker 3>Probably, okay, I think that. Probably In fairness, I think

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<v Speaker 3>I was quite excited to come see you guys. I

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<v Speaker 3>knew Ben a little bit because his brother, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I knew his brother from around and then I was

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<v Speaker 3>just psyched to see you guys. I mean you guys,

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<v Speaker 3>were cool. You know, you guys were cool doing something

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<v Speaker 3>night like awesome for a long time. So I was

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<v Speaker 3>psyched to be there. When I was there, do.

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<v Speaker 6>You remember by I'm sorry, I just Daniel, I'm just curious,

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<v Speaker 6>do you remember when we were shooting because one of

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<v Speaker 6>the main memories I had from this episode was originally

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<v Speaker 6>you didn't have a gang behind you. It was just

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<v Speaker 6>you and us in the note session, Matt and I

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<v Speaker 6>look at you and going like, Andrew, no offense, but

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<v Speaker 6>there's two of us, Like if we add up at

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<v Speaker 6>that point, I'm like two hundred and five pounds. I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, Michael, we could take this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm sorry, but there's two of us here. We

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<v Speaker 2>could take this guy. And we got.

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<v Speaker 6>Michael and I got into a whole thing back and

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<v Speaker 6>forth which almost never happened. I mean, we were not

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<v Speaker 6>kind of clapping back at note sessions, and so we

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<v Speaker 6>were kind of going back and forth, and I felt

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<v Speaker 6>like you were in the middle a little bit. And

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<v Speaker 6>finally he went, well, then we'll surround him with guys.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll just surround him with guys. And we're like, okay, fine,

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<v Speaker 6>Like it shouldn't be that big a deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember, but I'm impressed that you remember.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's because it's one of the first times

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<v Speaker 6>I kind of questioned a note.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we certainly yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>You're clapping back at quote unquote Dad on the set

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<v Speaker 6>in front of everybody. Was was a no no. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I certainly remember that. But I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 6>remember that moment. We had so few of those kind

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<v Speaker 6>of uncomfortable note session moments that I think they stick

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<v Speaker 6>out in our minds.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember, but I really remember having a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know you guys don't look back fondly, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said at that exact moment, but it seemed like

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<v Speaker 3>you guys were having fun.

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<v Speaker 6>We were Oh god, we were overall we were having

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<v Speaker 6>so much fun with each other and doing the show,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was a blast. I do think.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, well, will you were committed one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 4>all the time. But I do feel like artistically we

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.399
<v Speaker 4>were checked out, Like I did not care about the

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<v Speaker 4>show itself anywhere. We were having fun together, like I

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<v Speaker 4>cared about the community, right yeah, but like the quality

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<v Speaker 4>of what we were putting on the screen, like, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, Like I just didn't care.

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<v Speaker 3>By season seven, which amazing was fifi right, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Chantal was something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Had you ever done a live studio audience Multiican before?

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<v Speaker 3>I had, so that first series that I came out for,

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<v Speaker 3>the w B one w B one was in front

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<v Speaker 3>of the audience, which I loved so but again I imagined

0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:33.760
<v Speaker 3>that walking into those things and being comfortable, not being stressed.

0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.439
<v Speaker 3>Ye in your skin. You know, you can be fun,

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:41.359
<v Speaker 3>You could be funny. It's so easy. Like I found

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.479
<v Speaker 3>it quite easy to be present in those things. I

0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:49.480
<v Speaker 3>actually found being on the like the single camera dramas

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.320
<v Speaker 3>that I did in the in the midst of all

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.159
<v Speaker 3>that to be a bit tougher because it was you

0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 3>couldn't just like vibe off of what was going on.

0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 3>You weren't doing it right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no feedback loop. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's also very stop start, you know, you can't

0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 6>there's no flow to it that you get when you're

0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 6>me We were essentially doing a play. We might do

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 6>the scenes over and over a couple of times, but

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 6>we were doing a play every week, and there was

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.800
<v Speaker 6>that wonderful hybrid of the audience interaction and being able

0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:16.880
<v Speaker 6>to step in front of the crowd and yeah, there's

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 6>there's kind of nothing like doing that for camera sitcom.

0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 6>It's really really wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a shame there are more of those nets.

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<v Speaker 2>It's killing mew. Yeah, it's killing me.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't there like a man still in the world or

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 3>something that you get.

0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Man meets world? The world world no longer wants man.

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:38.200
<v Speaker 1>World sick of being met.

0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:44.879
<v Speaker 5>Your You're part of crazy Luthor was was a little unhinged.

0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 5>You threaten the guys after they catch you stealing speakers

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 5>for a rave, and then they dress and drag as

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<v Speaker 5>a disguise to avoid you. I say this to ask,

0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 5>were you in any way a tough guy in real life?

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<v Speaker 3>Not at all. There is no tough guy here at all.

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:08.640
<v Speaker 3>But I feel like there's a history of this in Hollywood,

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 3>right It started with I mean probably Travolta, but like

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 3>Henry Winkler, like these guys, You guys are puppy dogs,

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, yes, And I am definitely not that tough.

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Although my kid is learning karate just one of my kids.

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Just how old is that?

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 3>He's eight?

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:27.959
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I have an almost seven year old. He's been

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 5>in karate since he was three. We love it.

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really good.

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:34.000
<v Speaker 5>We joked in our intro that Boy Meets World is

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.199
<v Speaker 5>by far the least interesting thing you've done professionally, but

0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 5>we did want to know, does anyone from any of

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 5>your subsequent artistic.

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Lives know that you were on Boy Meets World? Does

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 1>it ever come up?

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure it must. It must because oftentimes I'm

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 3>like traveling through the rest of my life and people

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 3>are like, oh, man, I know I loved it. I

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.320
<v Speaker 3>remember you from that or that sort of thing, which

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 3>is you know, it's awesome. I mean, it's great when

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 3>it happens. I'm not sure if the Boy Meets World

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 3>one comes up that often, Okay, but it must have.

0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean it must have. You guys have so many

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 3>people that grew up with you.

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.679
<v Speaker 5>I mean you were a pretty busy young actor in

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 5>the circuit of auditions. You booking not only Boy Meets World,

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 5>but you were on four episodes of The Nanny, You

0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.159
<v Speaker 5>did six Party of Fives as two timing high school

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 5>football player Cameron Wellcot. Yes, and you were a regular

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.400
<v Speaker 5>on a show called Nick Freno Licensed Teacher.

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 3>That one was the series regular one.

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 6>Oh.

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 3>They had a season of it, and then they recast

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 3>that aged it up or something, and so it was

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 3>all new folks in that second season, with the exceptional

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 3>with the exception of the guy that played Nick Freno.

0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 3>It was terrific passed away a comedian, a guy called

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 3>Mitch Mullaney. He was a lovely guy.

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Mitch Mullaney was really funny.

0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but yeah, So it was.

0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Did you have anyone in your family in the business,

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>What does your family do?

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I didn't. My My sort of life trajectory

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 3>was I just never stopped doing all the play pretend

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 3>that so many parents make their kids do when schools do.

0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 3>Like I just never stopped painting. I never stopped writing.

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 3>The second I had a camera, I went out and

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:22.919
<v Speaker 3>made art films with the bulex and shot film and

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 3>learned how to develop film, and you know, with acting,

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 3>it's like I just always was in the place all

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the way up, like just was fun. It was something

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 3>to do. So I never lost that thing. My parents

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 3>loved going to the theater, loved going to cinema and

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 3>being part of that, but they didn't have any connection

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.640
<v Speaker 3>to it. But they did have an interesting thing which

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 3>I've done with my kids, which is essentially if there's

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.119
<v Speaker 3>anything they want to see, we can go see it,

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 3>even if it means they have to miss something that

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 3>they don't like, like school stuff or homework stuff or whatever,

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.600
<v Speaker 3>just as a way to get you in. And it's,

0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, I guess unsurprising how much they choose to

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.439
<v Speaker 3>see that in research, like I want to see We

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 3>just saw, not with the kids, but we saw a

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Rocky horror picture show. Our friend Luke is in it,

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 3>and it's amazing. If you're in the city, you should

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 3>see it. This is not a plug for them, but

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 3>it's amazing. And we're saying And that was one that

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:18.119
<v Speaker 3>my daughter was like, hey, I read about Rocky, my

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 3>ten year old, I heard about there doing Rocky hard

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.239
<v Speaker 3>picture show, Like, I really want to go. It's a

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 3>hard no, but we ended up going.

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And so could you grow up in New York City?

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Then I did. I grew up in Manhattan.

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Okay. So you're surrounded by culture anyway, which

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:33.160
<v Speaker 2>is nice.

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:35.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I was in a repertory company when I

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 3>was a kid, Like I was around it. It just

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 3>wasn't an objective. It was just something that you did,

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 3>something that was was was part of it. So I

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 3>knew the you know, I knew the words, I knew

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 3>the stuff. I'd been around that I'd visit friends on

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, movie sets, or I watched things happen. I mean,

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 3>actually the first thing. There's one audition that happened previously,

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.159
<v Speaker 3>which was that, and this would have been a very

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 3>different conversation if that one would have happened, I think

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.880
<v Speaker 3>it would have stuck. It was that Joel Schumacher when

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 3>he was making Batman and Robin. I think that's the

0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 3>one with the nipples. I'm not sure. When he was

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.239
<v Speaker 3>making Batman and Robin, he came to my school in

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 3>New York, in Manhattan to like look for kids to

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 3>discover because I guess the initial version of that script

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 3>had a younger Robin, like a much younger Robin. And

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 3>so like me and two or three other kids from

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>like private school Manhattan were asked audition. And so I

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 3>did prep for that, and I did meet him, and

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.400
<v Speaker 3>I remember it was the day of the earthquake in

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>LA was when I met him in New York at Warners,

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 3>and I remember walking in and seeing like the big

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 3>w B and stuffing like, wow, this is pretty cool.

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't be like this could actually happen. I might

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 3>be Robin how crazy. Anyway, it didn't happen, but that

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 3>was the only other like get out there and audition

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 3>and try out before at all sort of tick doom.

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 5>We know that you also paint, but you're best known

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 5>for your signature technique in metal and photography.

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>How did that become your medium?

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 3>So I always felt that photography, let me reave it.

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 3>When I started and I was in a dark room,

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 3>and I was, I don't know, twelve years old, fourteen

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 3>years old, and you're in the dark room. We still

0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 3>didn't have iPhones. There still wasn't even there may have

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>been some version of a digital camera, but it wasn't

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.040
<v Speaker 3>something that everyone was running around with. And so I

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 3>felt at the time when I was learning and making prints,

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 3>that that was a finished product, right. It was something

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 3>that was like done, you touched it, you'd done it.

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 3>And then as all this everyone became a photographer. Everyone

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 3>could just snap unlimited photos until you stopped watching the

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 3>world and you just you know, just hold down the

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 3>trigger or whatever. I felt that I needed to do

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 3>something more to tell stories, right, and a single image

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 3>wasn't enough, and so the only way I could really Also,

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 3>I started to look for how how do I tell

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:06.080
<v Speaker 3>a narrative story with photography but in a single item.

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 3>And then I became fascinated with just the environment and

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.479
<v Speaker 3>all the terrible stuff we were doing to mess up

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 3>the earth. So I started looking for ways to talk

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 3>about that but not be I don't know, overt or political.

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Even in my twenties, just didn't feel like yelling at

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 3>somebody was the right way to get a message across,

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 3>right and make it and hitting them over the head

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 3>with it. And so I started to look at aluminum,

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 3>and aluminum in particular was something that you know, it

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 3>was recyclable, it was reusable, it was it just wasn't

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 3>as I don't know, it didn't mess with sort of

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 3>that cycle as much. And I looked at it as

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 3>a way to and it was very malleable, right because

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 3>you can get it thin, you can get it, you know,

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 3>do something. So I started etching on it to play

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 3>with it, and then I started melting my negatives onto

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 3>the aluminum, try to create something more like with more

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.120
<v Speaker 3>depth and three dimension to it. And eventually that ends

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 3>up with you know, I'm still a fairly I mean,

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I was a boy. But you know,

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 3>young man or whatever. You know, when you have a chance,

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 3>you live by yourself in La away from your family,

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 3>you have a house that basically was like a flammable

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 3>art studio. It's amazing and burnt. The first thing you

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 3>do when you go on boy Meet's World and make

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 3>a couple thousand bucks is go buy a welding.

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Shit, and so as one does, yeah, and.

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 3>Doing that and having fun with those toys, and so

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>it eventually became these large scale photographic sculptures where I

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 3>could put multiple images on and really tell a narrative

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 3>story that as an object it could look beautiful, So

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 3>you could, you know, a ten year old could look

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:48.959
<v Speaker 3>at it like that's really just nice looking. But equally

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 3>I could push more i don't know, uncomfortable messaging on

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 3>the work in a way that you didn't have to

0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 3>just stare at, that you didn't have to feed upset about.

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'd made an easy one to explain is

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 3>I did a film about mercury pollution that one actually

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:15.640
<v Speaker 3>and and a methyl mercury molecule. It's sort of like

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 3>the big ball part, and then there's two little ones

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 3>and then one at the top or however it would go.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 3>But if you frame it that way, and it sort

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 3>of looks like a pregnant woman, right. And so when

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 3>women the reason that I don't know when you had

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 3>your kids, Danielle, but you know when my wife, for

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 3>our ten year old, the doctor you know, said to

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 3>my wife, you can have you know, certain kinds of fish,

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, once a week. There's certain things you can

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 3>eat every day. There's certain things you can't have. Ever,

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 3>I can't have tune or deep sea fish. By the

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 3>time we had our second child two years later, it

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 3>was like no fish, right. And so part of that

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 3>is that methyl mercury when you eat it and you

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 3>ingest that if you're pregnant, it goes through your body,

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 3>but the placenta pulls it out of and all heavy

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 3>metals pulls it out of your body and puts it

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 3>into the fetus. And so these children were being you know,

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 3>being born like horribly deformed, and it was terrible. And

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 3>so that work, you can look at that. And so

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 3>I took images of fishermen and Japanese fishermen, which is

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 3>where this took place, this particular issue and sort of melted,

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 3>melted the negative stock which Kodak was making for me,

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 3>and onto this big sculpture of the methyl mercury molecule.

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 3>And so you could see it as a ten year

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 3>old and look at it and not feel uncomfortable and

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 3>just look at as a beautiful object. But if you

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 3>look closer, you see really what it is and start

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 3>to put the pieces together. And so making these objects

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 3>became quite and it was just fun. Also it's a

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 3>good delivery system for storytelling. So really fun to do

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:00.680
<v Speaker 3>these things, Like you get to be big kid, right,

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Like I mean, I have a laser cutter that can

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 3>cut a piece of metal that's this thick like butter.

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's you know. I mean, if you guys

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 3>are in New York and more, welcomes anytime, come by

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:12.919
<v Speaker 3>and play a little bit. It's really fun.

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:14.760
<v Speaker 2>But so how do you get noticed?

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 4>How do you get I mean like you're so you're

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 4>in LA, You're doing this incredible work on your own,

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 4>Like how do you get the attention of the art

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 4>world or how does anybody find it?

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 3>I've never chased the attention. I found that I was

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 3>making things that were different. My work ended up finding

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 3>its legs and giving me the financial support that I

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>needed through private clients, private and a lot of a

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of like commission work right where someone would say, hey,

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 3>I saw this in this gallery. It's not exactly what

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm looking for, And my stuff could go indoors or outdoors,

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 3>which is also quite unique because you can't. Generally, there's

0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 3>not much photography or image based work that can sit outside.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:02.359
<v Speaker 3>So I was having quite a few folks that were

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.839
<v Speaker 3>living in hot weather places, vacation weather places where they're

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 3>these big homes and they want something big outside. But

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 3>most of the sculptural work that you would see traditionally

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 3>was like heavy, heavy metal shapes really, and so it

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 3>just sort of made its own way. And then some

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 3>museums came and auctions came, and yeah, sort.

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 6>Of I'm looking at some of the pieces right now.

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry if it looks like I'm looking at my phone,

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:26.840
<v Speaker 6>because I am. And some of these.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Are just they're so cool.

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 6>This is this is one, right, Yeah, So if you

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.240
<v Speaker 6>look at it again, if you look at the picture wider,

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 6>it's just this really cool, almost sci fi kind of

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 6>sculpture that you like to see anywhere, and then you

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 6>zoom in on it and.

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>It's all skulls and it's like just super cool, I

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 2>mean really incredible.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a way of playing with it, right, So

0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:56.000
<v Speaker 3>I did that one with intentionally looking like something that

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.760
<v Speaker 3>could have come from outer space. The shape, but also

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.560
<v Speaker 3>the elements to that one are egg shaped, right, So,

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 3>like you know about life death, where we come from

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 3>this sort of thing. And the images that I've melted

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 3>onto there are from a famous chapel underground crypt I

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 3>guess in Rome. That's meant to be like the gateway

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 3>to the afterlife.

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 3>It was.

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 6>It was where Dante said you entered the purgatory, right, and.

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 3>So these skulls are the skulls of Capucian monks, and

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 3>so it's meant to be the holiest place on earth

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 3>to this cult, this group. Right. But when you look

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 3>at it, like on my takeaways, like this is freaky

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and scary and looks like death not life. But to

0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 3>some people it looks like life and afterlife and positives.

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 3>The sort of playing with those things, and you know,

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 3>because you can suddenly play with shape and you have

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.400
<v Speaker 3>something three dimensional, you just have the ability to just

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 3>put more information in there that people can take different things.

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 6>For now, before you started with the laser. You said

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:04.000
<v Speaker 6>you went out a welder. Isn't aluminum like really flammable?

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 3>No it's not not it's not okay, not the way

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 3>that Yeah, okay, And I thought I never tried to

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 3>light like a piece of aluminum foil on fire.

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 6>No, but like when you're melting, isn't it hard to

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 6>to join two pieces of aluminum together?

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Or is it easy to do that? I thought it

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:22.240
<v Speaker 2>melts if you try.

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 3>To get hot thick slabs.

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, got you, got you? Got you?

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 6>So?

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 2>So like a piece like that is a bit is

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:30.359
<v Speaker 2>a big heavy.

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 3>Like thick like this? Wow?

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay the panels?

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so yeah, about an inch and a half two

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 3>inches thick?

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>How heavy is something like that?

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 3>Heavy?

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 6>Geez?

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Heavy?

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 5>But yeah?

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 4>Cool?

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 3>These are fun things, like you have ropes and bulleys

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 3>and things to move stuff around your studio. I mean

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 3>I was, I had custom development trays. There's developing images

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:56.800
<v Speaker 3>in that were you know, like this half the size

0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 3>of like an suv or something. I mean, it's really

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 3>fun to play with. These are like, you know, big

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 3>boy toys.

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 6>So I have to ask, are you almost like you're

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 6>taking the images from the negatives?

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:09.919
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.320
<v Speaker 6>And then you melt that is it is it almost

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 6>like wrapping a car, Like how do you know?

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:19.720
<v Speaker 3>So I etch onto the aluminum, so I make the shape.

0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 3>It depends what it is, but generally speaking, I'll make

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.359
<v Speaker 3>the shape. I'll etch onto the aluminum like whatever I

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 3>want on the metal behind it, right, And then I'm

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 3>basically developing onto a transparency, right like if you think

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 3>almost like the thickness of Remember I don't know the

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:38.760
<v Speaker 3>age of most of your listeners, but do you remember

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 3>in like elementary school, they had that like that projector

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 3>thing and they and they put like the clear thing

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:50.399
<v Speaker 3>on it project the wall like about that thickness, right,

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 3>And then I'm taking that and I'm heating the metal

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:58.359
<v Speaker 3>underneath with pretty big industrial hot plates and it just

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 3>melts like enough that enough that it makes the work

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 3>feel like it has added depth, but not enough that

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 3>if even if you got really close and looked at it,

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 3>if you didn't see any bleed or in melted pieces. Geez.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 5>So you take a break from acting for quite a while,

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 5>you're focused almost entirely on art, but then you do

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 5>dive back into Hollywood head first with directing, writing and producing.

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:38.959
<v Speaker 1>What do you.

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:43.440
<v Speaker 5>See other than creativity. Do you see any sort of

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:47.440
<v Speaker 5>similarities between the work you do in the art world

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 5>and the art you make in the entertainment industry.

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:56.879
<v Speaker 3>Sure? So the biggest difference to start with is that

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.959
<v Speaker 3>I am limited as a fine artist by my own

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 3>skill set, right. I can't make anything that I can't

0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 3>physically make, Like, if I'm not good enough to make it,

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't do it. And I was making quite a

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 3>few little art films just outside of Hollywood, just things

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 3>that were, you know, experimental is a weird word, but

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 3>just pushing it, just trying different things, seeing what I

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 3>could capture, how I could say something, how I could

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 3>tell story, you know. And I always had a couple

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 3>talented crew members around, a great cinematographer if I wasn't

0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:35.360
<v Speaker 3>shooting at other the folks. And every time those works

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 3>were coming out, or not every time, but a lot

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 3>of the time those works were coming out better than

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 3>anything I felt I could make by myself. And I

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:47.240
<v Speaker 3>always figured I would be making sort of Hollywood movies

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 3>like Bigger. I mean, I don't really make commercial commercial film,

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.839
<v Speaker 3>but like more commercial films for more eyeballs. And I

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:56.440
<v Speaker 3>wanted that. I wanted more people to see it, and

0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 3>I saw cinemas like the all time best deliveries system

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 3>for any of the things that I care about, And so,

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.240
<v Speaker 3>you know, I wrote a first feature or the first

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of feature that could work for that, and it

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 3>was meant to be something experimental. It was this movie

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 3>called Lullaby, and it was meant to be something that

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 3>I was going to go out and cast actual families

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.800
<v Speaker 3>going through bereavement, right, or going through the death of

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 3>a parent where they were kind of considering taking them

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 3>off life support, right, and so felt right to die,

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 3>patients rights, those sorts of things. And I had gone

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 3>through something like that in my family, and so I

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 3>wrote it just to figure it out. And I was

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 3>looking to do that. And one of my clients in

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 3>my client became a friend, you know, but someone that

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 3>collected a bunch of my art was quite a high

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 3>level person in Hollywood that was an agent, owned an agency.

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, Hey, I'm just looking to do this,

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 3>looking for a family. Do you guys ever have you know,

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 3>this was like before reality TV, and you can you know,

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 3>you guys have any way you can help on He

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 3>read it, the lit department read it. They're like, listen,

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 3>you need to stop with all the the like fine

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 3>art stuff and you just need to be like writing

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 3>and making films Like this is exactly the thing. And

0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 3>the next thing I knew, I had this out of

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 3>control cast on a million dollar art film. And you

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 3>know that cast was insane. I mean it was I had,

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, Garrett Hedlund, Richard Jenkins, Ann Archer, Terrence Howard,

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:32.240
<v Speaker 3>Jennifer Hudson, Amy Adams, Jessica Brown Finley, this girl Jessica Barden,

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 3>like an amazing cast coming together to like play with

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>me in a little hospital on Roosevelt Island, just in

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 3>a room making this thing. It was incredible. And then

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 3>when I watched it, it did a lot of the

0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.800
<v Speaker 3>things that I wanted it to do. But the biggest

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 3>takeaway was like wow, Like the the experience was amazing

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 3>and totally cathartic for me, but it also was so

0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 3>much better than anything I could make by myself. And

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 3>that kind of multiple of it was amazing. And you know,

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't I'm not a megalomaniac that needs to control everything.

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 3>I was really happy for all of my department heads

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 3>and everyone on that set to be creatively together. And

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.319
<v Speaker 3>so I just kept going and kind of, you know,

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 3>it's it's by far the most fun thing that that

0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 3>I get to do outside of family life and that.

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, I love making movies. I just seem

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 3>to choose impossible ones to get mad. Right.

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 6>Well, you mentioned that when you were acting, and I'm

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:34.680
<v Speaker 6>putting that in quotes because you seem like you were

0:43:34.680 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 6>doing it just kind of for fun and for the

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 6>experience that you're just kind of going with the flow.

0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 6>You weren't really nervous because it was like, let's just

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 6>have fun. Do you feel the same way as a filmmaker.

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 6>I mean, do any of the mediums that you work

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.320
<v Speaker 6>in make you anxious nervous or is it all just

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 6>kind of like, hey, let's go in and just enjoy

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 6>the process.

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Not really, you know, I get more nervous when I

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.320
<v Speaker 3>get my kids report cards and going for your conferences

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:00.200
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that. You know, I don't. You know,

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.360
<v Speaker 3>making art is such a privilege, right, and like the

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of work that I've gotten to do is such

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:08.759
<v Speaker 3>a privilege that just getting to day one, It's like

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 3>my anxiety is before day one, right, But once we

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 3>get there, I actually feel that my mind clicks in

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 3>and I feel most comfortable in those environments. There's no

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 3>time for anxiety, no time to be sort of kin

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 3>nervous about it. If anything, I'm I'm very prepped for

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:35.240
<v Speaker 3>my work. So yeah, I don't I don't really feel

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.799
<v Speaker 3>out of place in those environments. I feel more out

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 3>of place here talking to I mean, you guys are awesome,

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 3>but like doing this kind of thing. I guess the

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 3>one place I do feel awkward is sitting on panels

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 3>and press talking. And the press part is quite feels

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 3>weird to me because also by the time I'm doing that,

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm so like, I'm checked out. I'm done.

0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're done.

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Again.

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 5>I have a checklist of things we have to talk

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 5>to about with you. So now we're onto the comic

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 5>book with Andy Serkis tell us all about Eternis.

0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So I was fascinated, Like there was all this

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 3>world building going on in Hollywood, and it just felt,

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's amazing what you know Marvel did and

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 3>what these guys are doing. There was all this talk

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.799
<v Speaker 3>about it, but it didn't feel like there was anything

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 3>more or anything that I don't know, you could gain

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.760
<v Speaker 3>from it as a viewer, Like it was sit back

0:45:31.880 --> 0:45:34.839
<v Speaker 3>and just like let it all come to you. And

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 3>I like anything, whether it's a book you're reading, a

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 3>graphic novel, or a movie where you're just leaning forward

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 3>like you're meeting it somewhere. And then I noticed that

0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Greek mythology in general just wasn't being taught in the

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 3>same way it was when we were kids. Yep, this

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 3>is a shame. Like there's an opportunity here. How can

0:45:55.840 --> 0:46:01.399
<v Speaker 3>I take all of Greek mythology and just combine it?

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 3>And you know, we spent I don't know, six months

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 3>or so having a really good time trying to connect

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.160
<v Speaker 3>make false you know, just sort of create the sinews

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:15.480
<v Speaker 3>between the different stories and the different pieces, and like,

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 3>how do we make this one this person like somehow

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 3>in the same family tree or somehow connected to this person.

0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:26.000
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't exist, but it's not in conflict with anything

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 3>that does, and just sort of bundle it up and

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 3>then look for ways to make it speak to modern issues, right,

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 3>And so one of the things that we played with

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 3>was religion and the idea, I mean, I'll ruin it

0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 3>for all your viewers. If you happen to be going

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 3>out to get this graphic novel or wherever at Barnes

0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 3>and Noble, like I guess press mute or something, you know, grant.

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 3>But we loved the idea that that Zoos effectively could

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 3>because he's all powerful, all knowing, you know, number one

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 3>A plus god could basically go all right, this thing

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 3>isn't working out, Like I'm losing followers because I don't

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 3>hang out at the temple and I don't do this

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 3>thing right. And this is like we were doing this

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 3>while social media was really exploding, and I'm not like

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.839
<v Speaker 3>courting followers by doing stuff that I'm not down with.

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm not playing the game whereas some of the other gods,

0:47:26.080 --> 0:47:29.839
<v Speaker 3>the lesser gods are. So I'm gonna check out. So

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 3>he fakes his death basically we don't know this till later,

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 3>and he becomes Jesus right, and he goes, I'm just

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 3>gonna do this other thing, like I know how to

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 3>work the system. And he goes and does it and

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:43.800
<v Speaker 3>then starts his own thing and reveals it, and it

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:45.919
<v Speaker 3>just this this talk about like how do you get

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 3>people to buy in? What are the manipulative elements, and

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 3>like how performative do you have to be? It's not

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.359
<v Speaker 3>an indictment on any religions or anything. It's just more

0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:58.160
<v Speaker 3>of an indictment on modern culture, modern society, but really

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 3>fun and also sexy. Right, there's a view on Greek

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 3>mythology the way we've all read it. You don't necessarily

0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 3>feel the sexiness of it, right. I use sexy. I

0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:14.520
<v Speaker 3>don't mean like sexy sex. I just mean sexy, interesting, exciting.

0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:20.800
<v Speaker 3>But we you don't read it on the pages normally.

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 3>We wanted to lean into that as well and have

0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 3>a good time with it. And you know, looking at

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:33.279
<v Speaker 3>things like Medusa, Like Medusa was a totally under explored

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 3>character in the modern world, right, this is a and

0:48:36.000 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 3>so we looked at Medusa and looked at the original

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:43.320
<v Speaker 3>history or the original lore, and Medusa was the curse,

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 3>not the person, right, And so the idea that you

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 3>know you had this is also before me too and

0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 3>all of the things that came later. So we looked

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 3>at the idea that there was a lot of like

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 3>victim blaming in our culture, right, and so Medusa like

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:04.760
<v Speaker 3>how you get cursed? You know, there was rape and

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:08.080
<v Speaker 3>taking advantage of people and you and that person was

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.839
<v Speaker 3>getting blanket and becoming Medusa. And so there's all these

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 3>complicated themes inside of it, but it's really fun and

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.239
<v Speaker 3>the idea, but we haven't gone to it yet because

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 3>we've all gotten so busy and Andy is like out

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 3>of control and what's going on in his world In

0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:25.359
<v Speaker 3>the best way, the idea was like, what a great

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 3>universe to work cinematically and making films with and shows

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 3>because there's so much to play with there and so

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 3>much to do. And it's it's adults, right, Like that

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:39.759
<v Speaker 3>was an adult delivery system for more complex themes, but

0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 3>in a sexy, exciting way.

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Writer, do you want to know about the Gin Company?

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell us about you have a Gin company?

0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 3>The Gin is amazing. The Gin is like the real

0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.400
<v Speaker 3>thing that will make you hate me. So my wife

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:08.439
<v Speaker 3>is a classical singer, opera singer, and she is, I guess,

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:16.719
<v Speaker 3>the most successful classical singer of this century. And I

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:22.680
<v Speaker 3>mean it's like I definitely overachieved in that category in

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 3>a big way. And Catherine couldn't drink alcohol, right, so

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 3>she went to Royal Academy Music, you know, twenty years ago,

0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 3>and there was nothing that she could drink. And they're

0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:36.160
<v Speaker 3>quite focused at the Royal Academy about like teaching them

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:38.880
<v Speaker 3>how to protect their voices, right, they're not. You know,

0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 3>the people that go there are very specific in terms

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 3>of how they what they have to do to not

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 3>damage their instrument. So, you know, my wife is almost

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 3>like a psychotic Novak Djokovic type in terms of like

0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:58.840
<v Speaker 3>an athlete in terms of what she puts into her body.

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 3>She couldn't drink alcohol were sitting in Covid. We're in

0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 3>the UK. We lived between there and at the time

0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 3>we were living there, and you know, it was just

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 3>one of those things that it was like, oh well,

0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 3>let's see if I can get my wife drunk and

0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 3>let's make let's make an alcohol and she liked gin.

0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 3>She wanted gin. We found a master distiller to make

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 3>this gin. But we knew nothing. We're not entrepreneurs, we

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:26.400
<v Speaker 3>knew nothing about the spirit's business. We did not approach

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:28.840
<v Speaker 3>it in that way at all. We basically gave these

0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:33.480
<v Speaker 3>like super fancy sixth generation master distillers an impossible task

0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 3>of here are the things I use for my voice, Manuka, honey,

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 3>b pollen, these things that you wouldn't traditionally put into

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:42.239
<v Speaker 3>a gin. And I need you to make it so

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 3>smooth and have no sugar and use this specific water

0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.640
<v Speaker 3>from rural whales that has the least amount of microplastics

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 3>in the world in it, and I need you to,

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, distill it in a way that takes out

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 3>any added sugar that we were putting in because of

0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 3>the manuka honey. And I need you to use like

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:02.960
<v Speaker 3>the most quality minuca, Like just crazy stuff like what

0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:06.320
<v Speaker 3>dirt the juniper has grown in all this and fifty

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 3>seven samples later, and creating basically a new technology to

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:16.919
<v Speaker 3>make gin with a totally outsider's view. She tries it

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:19.960
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't And she's the kind of person, like,

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:22.040
<v Speaker 3>you know, she doesn't eat dairy, Like if there's a

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:24.719
<v Speaker 3>little touch of dairy and something, she immediately is like, yeah,

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 3>there's dairy in this, and she feels it. She didn't

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 3>feel anything. I'm on a zoom call with the distillers,

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Catherine's zoom called distillers, and I'm like, so how much

0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:35.600
<v Speaker 3>do I have to buy? Like this is amazing. I

0:52:35.640 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 3>can stop bleeding money now on this, Like you know,

0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:42.319
<v Speaker 3>do you have jugs to send it over in? Like

0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 3>what do we do? And the guy is like, you

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 3>guys really need to do something with this, Like you've

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 3>this is like the nineteen forty two of Gin, like

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.360
<v Speaker 3>you've created the thing you oh, And also she couldn't

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 3>it needed to We needed to be able to drink

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:58.280
<v Speaker 3>it without mixers because you don't really know what's in

0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:00.200
<v Speaker 3>the cocktails. So it was like a gin to on

0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:03.799
<v Speaker 3>the rocks basically, right, we're in a martini. So you

0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.600
<v Speaker 3>guys have nailed it. You've got this thing, you got

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:09.279
<v Speaker 3>to you gotta do something with it. I'm like, we're like,

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to make a movie now, the world is

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 3>opened up. Catherine's going on tour like we're good. Just

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:16.919
<v Speaker 3>you know, tell me how how much I need to order.

0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.960
<v Speaker 3>It's like, well, if you're not gonna do something with it,

0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 3>how about I give you Gin for life, for the

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 3>rest of your life, unlimited, and I'll take all the

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 3>tech and all the recipes and everything we developed for you.

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.840
<v Speaker 3>And that was sort of like, you know, yeah, just

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 3>pump the brakes. I'm just going to go just check

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:37.239
<v Speaker 3>this out quickly. And it's been wild and like we

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:43.640
<v Speaker 3>are like the first really like clean, clean, ultra premium,

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 3>highly sustainable. Like, so we did the same thing with

0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:49.880
<v Speaker 3>the bottle because again we had no idea what we

0:53:49.880 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 3>were doing in starting a business. So, like, the liquid

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:57.799
<v Speaker 3>was wildly expensive to produce, but the bottle, I was like,

0:53:57.840 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 3>I want a handblown piece of art, you know, and

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to be fifty percent lighter than any of

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 3>the other bottles because recycling is not that real with bottles,

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:10.239
<v Speaker 3>so I need to like reduce carbon footprint through just

0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:12.920
<v Speaker 3>the product itself and how you make it and how

0:54:12.920 --> 0:54:15.160
<v Speaker 3>you transport it. So I needed to be lighter. So

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 3>we did all this this like development with it with

0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:22.200
<v Speaker 3>an other friend, and we ended up with this beautiful

0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 3>bottle and it just sort of took off and now

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, we are the most awarded I think it's

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.680
<v Speaker 3>where the most awarded ultra premium gin ever. Mind you,

0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.920
<v Speaker 3>that's a very small category in terms of like there

0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 3>are very few people that are playing in that space.

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:44.319
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it's it's it's incredible and our team is like,

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 3>we've attracted unbelievable talent. The thing became a real business.

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 3>We've now come into the US. We're in New York,

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 3>La Vegas, Florida. Cool. That's sort of going and it's

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.920
<v Speaker 3>really fun because it's you know, it's the first thing

0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:01.600
<v Speaker 3>like Catherine would come in to the edit suite and

0:55:01.680 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 3>look at cuts or you know, read it scenes that

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 3>I'd written or a script, and I sit in her

0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 3>studio and listen to music and give advice or give

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:14.000
<v Speaker 3>notes to give thoughts. But it's still yours or hers

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:18.399
<v Speaker 3>or mine, right Like this is something as in our

0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.200
<v Speaker 3>marriage is unbelievably great, like because we get to do

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 3>it together, in fact, our daughter. To give you sense

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 3>of how much time is spent on this thing that

0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:28.239
<v Speaker 3>wasn't even supposed to be a project and wasn't a

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:32.680
<v Speaker 3>passion for us, we went to like our daughter's parent

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:36.440
<v Speaker 3>teacher conference and in front of the in front of

0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.440
<v Speaker 3>the classroom, you know, they put on the walls like

0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.200
<v Speaker 3>these like these, you know, like a self portrait and

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.920
<v Speaker 3>you know things about your kid that they wrote, and

0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:48.799
<v Speaker 3>you know it says, you know, she likes dance, she

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:50.920
<v Speaker 3>likes this, she likes singing, she likes whatever. And it's

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:54.080
<v Speaker 3>like my parents like what your parents do, right, and

0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:58.880
<v Speaker 3>she wrote, my parents make gin and Tonics. We of

0:55:58.880 --> 0:56:02.480
<v Speaker 3>course like freaked out doing things and every day we're

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:06.040
<v Speaker 3>not g Atonics at home. We actually have a brand

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:08.239
<v Speaker 3>and it's a thing which is like we talked about

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 3>all because it's something that's shared between us. Yeah, it's

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:12.760
<v Speaker 3>really fun.

0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:16.479
<v Speaker 6>It's Does it have orus in it Orris?

0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 6>Okay, because I love gin and I had to stop

0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 6>drinking gym because I'm allergic to oris.

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 2>So I'm hoping maybe there was.

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:26.960
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what get You're in LA, right, we

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 3>can just send me your details and we'll get you

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.719
<v Speaker 3>something to ill.

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 5>Where where is it in New York? Like I said,

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:37.799
<v Speaker 5>we're about ready to leave for New York next week.

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:38.879
<v Speaker 5>Where can we find it in New York?

0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. So the beauty of the business is

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:44.640
<v Speaker 3>that when we started, it was Catherine and I sort

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.839
<v Speaker 3>of moonlighting on the side and one person. Now our

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 3>business is I think we have thirty five employed, full

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:54.480
<v Speaker 3>time employees. We have a whole distillery that we own

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 3>in Wales where it's made like it's a different thing.

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:01.360
<v Speaker 3>So I no longer know your hands off places. But

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:04.000
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of them. I mean, we managed the

0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.279
<v Speaker 3>creative and you know, the new products, and we have

0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 3>a non elk that's amazing, like an adaptogen non elk

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 3>that we launched in the UK in January that'll come

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:11.439
<v Speaker 3>here soon.

0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:14.160
<v Speaker 2>What's it called? What's the name of the gin.

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.600
<v Speaker 3>It's called Signet. Okay, Signet like a baby swan So

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 3>it's made in Swansea, which is Katherine's hometown in Wales,

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.560
<v Speaker 3>and their mascot is a is a baby swamp. So

0:57:23.640 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 3>you've got Signa twenty two, which is really Catherine's spirit.

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 3>This was the one that was created for her. But

0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.720
<v Speaker 3>I was like a brown, like a dark spirit drinker.

0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I like to kill, like whiskey, and so I took

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 3>that and put it in Welsh oak whiskey barrels, like

0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 3>used whiskey barrels and aged it for a year and

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:46.439
<v Speaker 3>what came out was like out of control bananas. Good

0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:51.200
<v Speaker 3>called Signet seventy seven. They're both like sipping gins. I mean,

0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:55.640
<v Speaker 3>they're great in cocktails. But it's just fun. It's and

0:57:55.680 --> 0:58:00.680
<v Speaker 3>it's and it's creative, and like I'm making short movies FORGNA,

0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:02.080
<v Speaker 3>and I have budget that I don't have to ask

0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:03.440
<v Speaker 3>anyone for, so that's fun too.

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 1>So great.

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:09.360
<v Speaker 5>My final question for you is, let's say someone who

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:12.200
<v Speaker 5>is listening to this episode has heard all the incredible

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 5>stuff that you have done, and I'm sure many of

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<v Speaker 5>those accomplishments are things you could have never seen coming

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<v Speaker 5>you know, twenty five thirty years ago, when you were

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<v Speaker 5>on a set of Boy Meets World playing Crazy Luther,

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<v Speaker 5>what advice would you give to someone who's looking to

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<v Speaker 5>make all of their artistic dreams turn into a successful career.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, so you know, I teach at NYU, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing it for about a little over a decade maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>and I get asked this specific question all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think there's two pieces. The first piece is

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there's a mistake that happens in our

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<v Speaker 3>modern society where everything is about specialization, right, And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that we've lost this idea that being an artist

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<v Speaker 3>is a state of mind, not a discipline. Right. And

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<v Speaker 3>so you become an actor, you become a director, you

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<v Speaker 3>become a painter, or a novelist or a screenwriter or

0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:10.440
<v Speaker 3>a novelist or whatever that is. And I think being

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<v Speaker 3>an artist is about. I think the job is to

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<v Speaker 3>take in as much information that you can from the

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<v Speaker 3>world around you, right, to have your eyes up when

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<v Speaker 3>you take the subway, to not be locked into your

0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:24.960
<v Speaker 3>earbuzds as good as it feels, right, but to be

0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 3>looking at people, at seeing how people interact. That's studying

0:59:29.400 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 3>the world around you, and reading everything, listening to everything,

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<v Speaker 3>being uncomfortable, going to places and having conversations with people

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<v Speaker 3>that you don't agree with right, taking it all in.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think the job is then like mixing it around,

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<v Speaker 3>finding the subjects that you care about, and then finding

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<v Speaker 3>ways to put it out right. Like I have books

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<v Speaker 3>of poetry. I've tried to write a couple of novels.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never gotten them out there right. But I did

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<v Speaker 3>it because there was something that was felt right to me,

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<v Speaker 3>something that I wanted to look at and examine, and

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<v Speaker 3>a story I wanted to tell. But it wasn't right

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<v Speaker 3>to make a film. It wasn't right for tea sir,

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't right for a body of sculptural work, right.

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<v Speaker 3>So it needed to be a book. But it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not good enough. I couldn't get it there. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's the place that it should have been, and it

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<v Speaker 3>made sense. And so that's part one is keeping going.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing is that's connected to it is

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<v Speaker 3>is being open right, like I may yet find a

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<v Speaker 3>moment where I stepped back in front of the camera.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I can't wait for that moment right where

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<v Speaker 3>you know I'd have to work out a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>and get fit and do some other things. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to sit on the other side of

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<v Speaker 3>the camera. Now I'm not actively looking, but when that comes,

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<v Speaker 3>my approach would be totally different, and it might come right,

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<v Speaker 3>and there may be a whole other turn for me.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's about having confidence to know that

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<v Speaker 3>inside of you you're capable of doing any of these

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<v Speaker 3>things right. You just have to commit and work. And

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<v Speaker 3>part of that, by the way, is and this is

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<v Speaker 3>also something I tell my students, all of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty two year olds, the people

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<v Speaker 3>that are coming out of school. If they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>go be a banker or they're going to go be

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<v Speaker 3>a lawyer, or they're going to go be an engineer, right,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to work all day, every day at what

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<v Speaker 3>they do. I think there's a feeling for artists where

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<v Speaker 3>they find they sort of fall into this despair sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>and they don't just constantly push like push work. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't work on it. And you don't have to fear

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<v Speaker 3>a screenwriter. You don't have to sit at a computer

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<v Speaker 3>and write all day. Right, you can be out walking

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<v Speaker 3>around and seeing the world and just trying to be inspired.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that work ethic is something that artists

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes wrestle with because they feel like they're it's wasting

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<v Speaker 3>time and somehow wasting time to watch five films in

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<v Speaker 3>a row. But it doesn't have to be if you

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<v Speaker 3>have an objective with it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, Andrew, thank you so much for coming that.

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<v Speaker 5>You have such a fun and interesting career and you

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<v Speaker 5>are such an interesting alumni of Boy Meets World. So

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<v Speaker 5>we are honored to be a small part of your

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<v Speaker 5>journey and we are going to take credit for it

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<v Speaker 5>after this interview.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. You're welcome. That's why we brought you on here.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome, and I hope I get to see you

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<v Speaker 3>guys at some point be terrific.

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<v Speaker 5>We would, Will and Writer are going to dress and drag.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to We're all going to wear the same outfit.

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<v Speaker 5>We actually talked about it earlier that the three of

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<v Speaker 5>us were going to dress like they were going to

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<v Speaker 5>dress like me. So when we do that is when

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<v Speaker 5>we should get together a picture we can see you perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to need some seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 5>First, thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye, My gosh, what an underachiever. I so want one

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<v Speaker 2>of his pieces.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been like, I was trying not to just stare

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<v Speaker 6>at my phone the whole time, but I was looking

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<v Speaker 6>at some of his work.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're just really cool looking. Yeah, truly amazing.

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<v Speaker 6>And you wonder how, I mean, I know how somebody

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<v Speaker 6>writes the screenplay, I know how somebody paints a painting.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do all that, souff, but you wonder how somebody.

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<v Speaker 6>Comes up with something like that, like an all new

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<v Speaker 6>technique of I'm going to take a sculpture, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>also going to be part Like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly what he was describing though.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that like it's that renaissance Renaissance man is the term,

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<v Speaker 4>but like renaissance person approach to life where you're just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're if you're smart and talented, you can kind

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<v Speaker 4>of do anything if you put your mind to it.

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<v Speaker 4>And the fact that he's just always has put his

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<v Speaker 4>mind to it, you know, his body to it. Every

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<v Speaker 4>like here he was in La, like moving to LA

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<v Speaker 4>for a TV show, but then obviously started doing all

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<v Speaker 4>this art and photography.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's just so cool man, and I like I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with him.

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<v Speaker 4>That, like I wish more people sort of activated those

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<v Speaker 4>parts of the you know, I feel like we are

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<v Speaker 4>so we're so like career driven, especially like in high

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<v Speaker 4>school you're basically told.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, well, you are an actor, you are going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be this, you're going to be a painter, you're going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a photographer, and like you know, or I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>actually those are that's in the best case scenario. I

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<v Speaker 4>think more often it's you know, you should be an engineer,

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<v Speaker 4>you should be you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's more practical.

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<v Speaker 4>So like the arts, getting any attention is rare, and

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<v Speaker 4>then within those arts, I feel like, yeah, people specialize,

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<v Speaker 4>Like people are told like you're just going to be

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<v Speaker 4>a filmmaker, and it's like, man, if you open yourself up,

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<v Speaker 4>you could do anything, like yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's also you're talking about being career driven and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>It's also like we get into the I know, for me,

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<v Speaker 5>this is like my big thing. I need to know

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<v Speaker 5>what's the goal?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I doing this for? What's the end?

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<v Speaker 5>So the hope is the hope is what and then

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<v Speaker 5>okay that sounds it's like a worthwhile endeavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Then for me to go through steps A, B, C,

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<v Speaker 1>and D. But if something even.

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<v Speaker 5>Slightly intrigues you or piques your interest, pursue it a

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<v Speaker 5>little farther. What's the worst thing that happens is you

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<v Speaker 5>end up deciding you don't it is the goal?

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<v Speaker 2>Well exactly, yeah. In fact, I would say that that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually helped.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's the problem, especially with the film industry,

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<v Speaker 4>is that so many people are like, well, I want

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<v Speaker 4>to be a movie star or I want to be

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<v Speaker 4>a TV star, and it's like, actually, the process of

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<v Speaker 4>being an actor is something very different. The process of

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<v Speaker 4>being an actor is probably going to be doing small

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<v Speaker 4>theater auditioning a million times a day. And if you

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<v Speaker 4>can enjoy that, then you probably cut out to be

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<v Speaker 4>an actor because and also the bigger parts come because.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the smaller things you've done. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Like, the idea of like being so end focused is

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<v Speaker 4>actually detrimental to your artistic development and detrimental to your career,

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<v Speaker 4>whether you realize it or not. Like the amount of

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<v Speaker 4>actors are people who want to be actors, who spend

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<v Speaker 4>their time at the gym and an acting class and

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<v Speaker 4>don't take smaller roles or just make their own projects

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever. You know, it's like, that's that's a try

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<v Speaker 4>that too stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I never called.

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<v Speaker 6>Myself an actor when I especially when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 6>I always wanted to be on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that was it.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to be on TV. And so the you

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<v Speaker 6>wonder what the career path would have been had it

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<v Speaker 6>been like, no, I want to learn the.

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<v Speaker 2>Craft of acting. I just want to act. Wherever it

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<v Speaker 2>that takes me is where it's going to take me.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't that.

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<v Speaker 6>I just I wanted to be on a sitcom, which

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<v Speaker 6>is great, and I got my goal. But at the

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<v Speaker 6>end of the day, sitcom is now essentially dead, and

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<v Speaker 6>so I'm I trained, you know, the theoreman, which nobody

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<v Speaker 6>plays anymore. So it's like, hey, you specialized in this

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<v Speaker 6>one instrument that nobody wants. And so it's like, you

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<v Speaker 6>wonder where it would have been if it been like no,

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<v Speaker 6>I just want to be an actor and wherever that

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<v Speaker 6>takes me.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the right.

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<v Speaker 1>I love. Also interesting he was saying about that.

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<v Speaker 5>He says to his NAU students about like, if you

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<v Speaker 5>were going to go and do a job that wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>in the arts you'd be mint spending a minimum of

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<v Speaker 5>nine hours a day at your job. And so if

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<v Speaker 5>as creatives who maybe our work isn't behind a desk,

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<v Speaker 5>it isn't to set the routine for yourself that every day,

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<v Speaker 5>even if I don't have a job right now, my

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<v Speaker 5>job is doing something that's inspiring me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I make the same.

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<v Speaker 4>The comparison I always make is to athletes, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 4>because I feel like, especially with screenwriters, there's a sense

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<v Speaker 4>of like, well, I could bust out a script over

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<v Speaker 4>the summer or like, and it's like, no, no, you

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<v Speaker 4>should always be writing, just like people who climb Mount

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<v Speaker 4>Everest or who are in the Olympics are always training

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<v Speaker 4>for that big event and eventually you're going to write

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<v Speaker 4>the thing that will be the script or the novel

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<v Speaker 4>that like changes your life. But you should always be working,

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<v Speaker 4>because you know, nine hours a day is a minimum

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<v Speaker 4>you should be putting into your you know, but we

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<v Speaker 4>don't think of it that way. We tend to think

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<v Speaker 4>of like, oh, wait till somebody pays me, and then

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<v Speaker 4>I'll write.

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<v Speaker 2>It, even just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I've been working on this book now forever,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's because I take months and months off, and

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<v Speaker 6>Robin Hobb, who's an incredible fantasy writer, has been helping me,

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<v Speaker 6>and she always just writes me, and she's like, just

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<v Speaker 6>write a sentence a day. She goes, that could become

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<v Speaker 6>a paragraph a day, that could become a page day,

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<v Speaker 6>and you might throw everything away, but just write a

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<v Speaker 6>sentence a day and see what happens in smart God,

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<v Speaker 6>she's right, just just sit down.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, at least.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

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