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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor with

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Speaker 2: Colin Saunders. His book is called Triangular UFOs of the

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Speaker 2: United Kingdom. His website is linked up at Coast to

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Speaker 2: COASTAM dot com. Colin, let's jump back into the story

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Speaker 2: here of this sighting. How did that be? How did

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Speaker 2: the object finally disappear?

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Speaker 3: Like I said, when we will be well, where we're

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Speaker 3: part next to the object? The craft ecotes in front

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Speaker 3: of us, But then as my wife pulled forward, it

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Speaker 3: blocked to view, so we didn't actually see the craft

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Speaker 3: disappear by the times you reverse back into the gateway.

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Speaker 3: Was it shows that particular moment to disappear when we

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Speaker 3: we couldn't see actually leave.

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Speaker 2: Was there any kind of abduction case or anything that

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Speaker 2: happened to you all of you?

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Speaker 3: There was something strange happened to me, which we'll get

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Speaker 3: back into in a short while. Just before the break,

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Speaker 3: we were talking about the lights that my wife had drawn.

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Speaker 3: She drew three red lights in a perfect equal actual triangle. Now,

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Speaker 3: there's no way we could have seen that from the

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Speaker 3: side of the road and from approaching the lights and

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Speaker 3: the small triangle. I have a theory that what she

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Speaker 3: saw was the underneath of the large triangle. Do you

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Speaker 3: remember I said, once we got out of the car,

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Speaker 3: there was this huge craft going away with four big

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Speaker 3: red lights on the back, and I thought it was

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Speaker 3: the smaller craft had grown into a bigger craft. But

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Speaker 3: now go on reflection, after all these years, I believe

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Speaker 3: that was the mother ship that the smaller one went

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Speaker 3: back to. And looking at the trajectory of the large craft,

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Speaker 3: there's a good chance to passed over our car whilst

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Speaker 3: we were looking at the small one. So it's almost

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Speaker 3: like an ambush. The little one was there, it was

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Speaker 3: tilted up, the shows.

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Speaker 4: All of the lights. It was right next to the road.

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Speaker 3: We stopped the car in front of it, and I

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Speaker 3: think there's a possibility at that point the large triangle

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Speaker 3: came over the car, which is why my life my

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Speaker 3: wife drew three red life in the perfect triangle.

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Speaker 2: So the smaller one, the smaller one was about the

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Speaker 2: size of a bus.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's right, yes, and I'm guessing the larger one

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Speaker 3: was the size.

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Speaker 4: Of a football pitch.

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's good size.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was the biggest flying craft i've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: and I've been to quite a few air shows over

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Speaker 3: the years, both in Germany.

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Speaker 4: And the UK.

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Speaker 3: It was a massive craft, just silently floating away. It

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Speaker 3: was quite quite incredible. So what I decided to do

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Speaker 3: then was to make a model of the craft. Initially,

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Speaker 3: I dream it on cold draw, did some move drawings.

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Speaker 3: When I printed those out, made some paper versions, and

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Speaker 3: then I decided to make a.

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Speaker 4: More solid model.

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Speaker 3: I've got some wooden down in and created a shape,

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Speaker 3: a triangle of shape, and I put the images that

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Speaker 3: I printed on top of this model. It was a

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Speaker 3: bit puttin you could pote your fingers through it, but

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Speaker 3: it was a proper three D model. It was quite exciting.

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Speaker 2: You were almost obsessed with building this model, weren't you?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: I mean it came at the perfect time because I

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Speaker 3: got three members of staff working at home, but I

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Speaker 3: let them run the business whilst I was in the

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Speaker 3: shed outside making this craft. More, making several crafts, first

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Speaker 3: drawing it, then the first paper craft, and then the

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Speaker 3: first wooden craft, the wooden based craft.

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Speaker 4: Now that craft.

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Speaker 3: The last time I seen it was inside my band

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Speaker 3: that I bought. I bought a small vand for moving

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Speaker 3: garments around. That was part of the driveway in my house,

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Speaker 3: and it was broken into one night, and then the

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Speaker 3: It wasn't worth anything. And when I took vehicle to

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Speaker 3: be repaired from the friendly son of the article, he

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Speaker 4: Now, when I came to.

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Speaker 3: Look for my model, it was colm.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't in the van.

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Speaker 3: Whoever took the step player also took the model. I

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Speaker 3: never did find that model again. So whether they were

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Speaker 3: it and took it, it would mean nothing to anybody.

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Speaker 3: So whether I'm just being paranoid, but somebody would say

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Speaker 4: So that model disappeared, But.

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Speaker 3: Then I decided to build another one. This time I

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Speaker 4: A bit more.

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Speaker 3: I put some prilot on top of the down in frame,

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Speaker 3: and I also brought some flashing lights and the battery

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Speaker 3: pack in the switch while it all off. And now

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Speaker 3: I've got a model that had got the actual lights

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Speaker 2: And you were doing all this colin from memory, yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all from memory, yeah, and all done in straight

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Speaker 3: away before the memory, David, of what big seem That night,

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Speaker 3: I got in touch with a UFO magazine over here

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Speaker 3: Omar Fouler. Omar sent me some documents, and in the

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Speaker 3: documents there was a picture of a triangle in Belgium

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Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties I think it was, and the

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Speaker 3: underneath of the triangle, the young guy has seen it.

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Speaker 3: I've got these lines in relief in to locking on

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Speaker 3: the surface, exactly the same as we got on the.

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Speaker 4: Surface of our craft.

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Speaker 3: Now we only saw the rear end and the top,

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Speaker 3: but it seemed to me that the Belgium Tartean were

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Speaker 3: or same series of craft. So I used the Belgium

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Speaker 3: look at my finished model, I've gone and the finding

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Speaker 3: model is a three D printed model. We never saw

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Speaker 3: the underneath, So the underneath is just purely baked on

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Speaker 3: the Belgium tighting. So there may not have been beams

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Speaker 3: underneath our craft. It may have been a flat surface.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but it did seem logical to me

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Speaker 3: to use the Balgium sighting to make the complete craft basically,

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Speaker 3: so I built this second model. I'm mean to get

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Speaker 3: onto television with that and into a few magazines and

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Speaker 3: It used to make me shake with excitement.

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Speaker 4: When the scene. It taken me back to that, to

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Speaker 3: So then we did a few presentations of a few

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Speaker 2: Were you becoming pretty well known by that time.

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Speaker 4: Only within UFO circles?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think with the advent of Facebook and social media,

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Speaker 2: You met the late Bud Hopkins, who was an expert

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Speaker 3: I did, yees, yeah, I met quite a few people.

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Speaker 3: Actually he was Back in the early two thousands. We

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Speaker 4: And Russell Callahan.

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Speaker 3: The two of them used to produce a fantastic magazine,

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Speaker 3: Now is there that I met and chatted with Santon Freeman,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great people.

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Speaker 4: Before I go.

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Speaker 3: Into the conversation I have with Pud Hopkins, we need

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Speaker 3: talk about the highest strangeness, the strange things that occurred

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Speaker 4: Now, what I've talked about so far is what I.

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Speaker 3: Called was not some bolts of the sieing. The strange

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Speaker 3: twenty years because it just sounded crazy. And I'm an engineer,

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Speaker 3: and I found it all very weird what took plate.

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Speaker 3: And I can imagine that other people would think that

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Speaker 3: because it's just so strange what I'm about to say.

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Speaker 3: But I've realized now, especially over the last four years,

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Speaker 3: and I'll explain the reason why. So if we go

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Speaker 3: That's where I ca described it. It was like somebody

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Speaker 4: Top of the liquid surface. That was the first view.

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Speaker 3: Then there was a second view that was the big

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Speaker 4: I think it was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: The way they didn't manufacture was absolutely incredible. It was

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Speaker 3: collers running around the craft. Now where it was joined

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Speaker 3: been manufactured was absolutely incredible. The next thing I remember

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Speaker 3: to get on board. And that's when my wife pulled

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Speaker 3: forward and the craft disappeared.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you say it disappeared, Colin, like blinked out

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Speaker 3: Don't know because the hedge was in the way, so

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Speaker 3: we didn't see. We didn't see whether it decloaked or

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Speaker 3: it went back from the ship.

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Speaker 2: But it was gone. It was gone quickly, though, wasn't

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Speaker 2: it very quick?

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Speaker 3: In that base short space of time that it took

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Speaker 3: us to pume forward and then repers into a gate way.

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Speaker 3: That short space of time, it just totally disappeared. And

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Speaker 3: like I say, it was so quiet. Hear a pin drop.

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, at this point. Do you think they

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Speaker 2: wanted you to see it the craft?

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Speaker 3: I mean a lot of people want to see these crafts,

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Speaker 3: and we get people seeing them at distance, you know,

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Speaker 4: Was quite quite quite nice.

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Speaker 3: But then what happened was once a friend of mine

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Speaker 4: Talked to the group.

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Speaker 3: apanding them shouldn't be then without they have to leave. Now,

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Speaker 3: I thought, that's that's a similar sort of thing, but

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Speaker 2: You didn't you didn't see the aliens or whatever they

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Speaker 3: Now, I didn't see any agents at alls, unfortunately, just

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Speaker 4: Up use of the craft.

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Speaker 3: Now, after this the presentation I did as coincidences going

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Speaker 3: details in the book. It's the only one I've got

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Speaker 3: in there from America. It was become a guy in

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Speaker 4: On or anybody.

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Speaker 3: Anybody is known about it, and I've had to use

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Speaker 3: the suit and then for his name in the book.

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Speaker 4: Now what he said to me?

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Speaker 3: Basically, his email started off by saying, just like you,

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Speaker 3: explain that he'd seen this triangle, that it came down

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Speaker 3: said he had three images taped into his mind and

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Speaker 4: Close up views of the craft.

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Speaker 3: He thinks two of them were on the outside showing

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Speaker 3: them like a ball of lights or plasma. Another one

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Speaker 3: was the parts with an around surface. He thinks a

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Speaker 3: read that email, it suddenly struck me. It was like

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Speaker 3: a hu Eaker moment. It was like, oh my words,

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Speaker 3: Bud Hopkins was correct all along. If one images taste

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Speaker 3: in my mind. It wasn't an out body experience. I've

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Speaker 3: He'd interview of other people who've been on board crafts.

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Speaker 2: And he believes that the visitations are somewhat nefarious.

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Speaker 3: Yes he does, Yes, yeah, I might go along with

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But what I did goes from listening to all of

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Speaker 3: I've always have seen the telepaphy with words, but you'd

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Speaker 3: it's probably, you know, an image paints a thousand words.

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Speaker 3: it would make sense that the aliens on Boardercraft put

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Speaker 2: Might they have put an implant in you?

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Speaker 4: Who knows? Who knows what took plasts that night?

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Speaker 3: Because I have had a lot of experiences since and

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Speaker 2: You've had other encounters and lot.

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Speaker 4: Of close as the first one.

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Speaker 3: But I've had some very strange things happened point where

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Speaker 3: I started to write them down with the dates as well,

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Speaker 3: it seems that what Hopkins was correcting, the images were

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Speaker 3: final model. I've got the three D printed model. It's

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