1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: The second hour of Play and Buck kicks off right now. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being here with us, everybody. 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Democrats still pushing hard on making Minneapolis their new judo 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: civil rights struggle. Trump spoke about this actually last night. 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: I think it was the inaugural episode of Katie Pavlich's 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: new show on News Nation. Katie's an old friend from 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: the beginning of my time in this business. And congrats 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: to her on a new show. She left Fox and 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: got her own her own show on News Nation. This 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: is Trump talking to Katie about this situation in this 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: is cut twenty nine, the situation in Minnesota, and no surprise, 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: Trump's laying it down. 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 3: Something's wrong when a place like Minnesota, which is a 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: good place, it's got a horrible governor, It's got horrible people. 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: This elon Omar, it's horrible. I mean, she comes from 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: a country that doesn't even have a government, they have nothing, 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 3: and she comes here and she lectures us as the constitution, 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: she's got constitutional rights. She's just horrible. Somebody says she's 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: worth thirty million dollars. Well, therefore she's obviously a very 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: dishonest person and she should be looked at for that. 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: So you have a couple of things. You have the 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 3: money thing, and then you have the all of the 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 3: fake nonsense going on and screaming the people. 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: They're so professional, Clay, they are not only lying about ICE. 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: I keep having to point this out. I think it's 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: very important everybody knows us they make the situation more 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: difficult on purpose too, not just the obstruction of ICE. 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean the elected officials in places like Minneapolis and 29 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Minnesota as a state, creating sanctuary jurisdictions necessitates the kind 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: of ICE presence and forward leaning ICE activities that we 31 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: see because because here's something that won't shock anyone. The 32 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: people that they are going after aren't just here illegally, 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: the ones that are the top of the list. And 34 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: this is why Trump was showing at the White House yesterday, 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: all those wanted posters, you know, wanted murder, wanted pedophilia, 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: wanted raine, all these different things, and Clay, it's because 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: they're already being processed through the system. 38 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: They've already been arrested. 39 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: These are people who overwhelmingly have already had a run 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: in with the law, and because they refuse to just 41 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: give is a heads up, Hey, we've got your guy. 42 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: Do you want him, they have to go and get 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: them in the streets. They are causing this whole situation. 44 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: The Democrats are forcing all of this. The subpoena's story 45 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: went out yesterday for may Or Fry, for Tim Walls, 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: for a bunch of other Keith Ellison, I believe the 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: Attorney General of the state of Minnesota. What I am 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: hearing from people, And I don't know if you hear this, Buck, 49 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: but on my day to day, when are the charges. 50 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: We have seen and heard? Outrage? And I get it. 51 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: I understand a lot of people out there say, well, 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: there's lots of people who are very good at going 53 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: on government people going on and condemning things. We can't 54 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: have this happening. I am outraged all those things. I 55 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: think a lot of people now are saying, when are 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: charges going to come? Because otherwise you're just fulminating outrage, 57 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: but it doesn't lead to any tangible result. So do 58 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: you think there's any chance that we will see charges 59 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: Buck against either may Or Fry, Tim Walls, or any 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: of their high level officials relating to the Minnesota fraud, 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: relating to anti ice protests, the encouragement of them. Do 62 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: you think anything happens to Fry or Walls in any 63 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: kind of significant way. Well, ask Michelle Tfoya this too, 64 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: top of the next hour because she's running for Senate 65 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: now as a Republican candidate from Minnesota. She just announced today. 66 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: But do you think anything happens, because that's the number 67 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: one thing I hear. Okay, we've heard all this. When 68 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: are there going to be tangible result? 69 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: No? 70 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, They're not going to prosecute either of them. 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: And again, if I'm wrong, I'll come on and admit 72 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: that I'm wrong, But I don't think I'm gonna be 73 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: wrong on this one. Oh, or there is there a 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: calshie for this on whether or not they'll be prosecuted. Yes, oh, yes, 75 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: pull it up right now because annywhere his mouth is 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: with the buckster. Let's see if you have I think 77 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: will Walls face criminal charges? Let me see, uh, let 78 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 1: me see if I can find it. But yes, you 79 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: can put a line on will anyone be charged in 80 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: the Minnesota daycare fraud before January first? 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Anyone? Anyone? 82 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: I think is absolutely of course there are people that's 83 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: still millions of dollars in there that've got them dead 84 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: to rights. 85 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: But the governor of Minnesota over this. No way, no way. 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking right now as whether he will face charged. 87 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: I think he should, but I do not believe I 88 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: kind of square with you where I've just kind of 89 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: gotten used to no one of any significance ever getting charged. Now, 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: to be fair, they did manage to get Letitia James charged, 91 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: and they did manage to get you know, a couple 92 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: of Komi charged, but then almost immediately they were able 93 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: to fight it by saying, hey, this is unacceptable. And 94 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: the way that the indictments came down with Lindsay Halligan, 95 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: she was not appropriately set up, and so they were 96 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: able to figure out a way to get out of that. 97 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: But I am just skeptical, and I'm not even talking 98 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: about convictions because I think one of the biggest challenges, 99 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: even if you charge them, would be getting a jury 100 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: that would vict in Minnesota, because you're seeing a lot 101 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: of people won't. 102 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: Convict in in DC. 103 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a small thing, but the guy on 104 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: camera who threw a subway sandwich at an ICE official, 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: they couldn't actually get they couldn't actually get any conviction 106 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: against him. The grand jury refused to indict. All right, 107 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: here's a way to look at it, Buck, will anyone 108 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: who will be charged with a federal crime in twenty 109 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: twenty six. John Brennan favored to be charged, Letitia James 110 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: favored to be charged. Elon Omar right at fifty to fifty, 111 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: So that would be significant. Tim Walls forty four percent chance, 112 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: Buck forty four percent prediction market chance right now that 113 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: Tim Walls will face charges at. 114 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: Some point in twenty twenty six. 115 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: So basically, according to the gambling markets, a fifty five 116 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: proposition on whether he will face any sort of significant 117 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: and Jacob Fry is thirty five percent. 118 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: By the way, Well, let's let's unpack this for a second. 119 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: And I know right now, people, I can hear the 120 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: booing from many of you all across America. Boo. I'm 121 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: not saying I don't want him to face charges, but 122 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: first I would want to know. I'm saying I don't 123 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: think it will happen. 124 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: So it's a prediction. 125 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: That's while we're talking about prediction markets, what would the 126 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: charge be being a moron? If that's the charge, we 127 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: got a lot, We're not going to have enough run 128 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: in the prisons for all the Democrats, my friends, what's 129 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: the charge now I mean failure to be a failure 130 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: to be a good politician. 131 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: No, give me a break, it would be I think 132 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: it would have. 133 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Well, First of all, the odds of him being able 134 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: to have been proven to directly profit off of the 135 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: fraud is very very high. But look, maybe U subpoena documents. 136 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I think it's hard to say, hey, there was this 137 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: amount of dollar dollars of fraud in Minnesota and Smaly 138 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: Healthcare and back channel Tim Walls was making money. I 139 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: think that's a hard accusation to make. So I do 140 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: think that would be somewhat challenging to analyze. By the way, 141 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: here's one that jumped out of me, Don Lemon, seventy 142 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: six percent chance that he will be charged. 143 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: That one I would not. 144 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm not so smug about my prediction or my betting 145 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: on that I wouldn't. I can't. That to me is 146 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty property Tim Walls. I would give 147 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: someone and I always do this wrong one to ten 148 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: or ten to one. But the chance is extremely small 149 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: that ten to one. You'd think it's very no chance 150 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: that he will be facing charges. I would think it's 151 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: it should be if I were setting those odds. I 152 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: would say it's a ten to one chance for Tim Walls. 153 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: I think for Don Lemon it is a fifty to 154 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: fifty shot. Look if our boy Don Lemon, it's seventy 155 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: six percent. I mean that seems like a pretty decent chance. 156 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: My only concern with charging somebody like Don Lemon with 157 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: a crime, Oh. 158 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 2: You'll create a hero out of him, the whole thing. 159 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: That's it. You make him a martyr. 160 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: And if you make Don Lemmon a martyr, then the 161 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: best thing that could happen for him is to be 162 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: charged with a crime. And look, I mean the reality 163 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: is if Joe Biden were in office and he had 164 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: charged you or me with a crime, it probably would 165 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: have helped us. Did Steve, I know, Steve Bannon had 166 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: to actually go to prison, which would suck. And I 167 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: give him credit for going to prison when nobody even 168 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: gets charged for defying congressional subpoenas at all. Bill Clinton's note, 169 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: I think all that happened for Bannon was he got 170 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: some He got some cool prison tats and probably increased 171 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: his audience by a couple hundred thousand people or something. 172 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you got a couple of tear 173 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: drop tattoos. 174 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: I give credit to Bannon for standing up, but I mean, 175 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: in all seriousness, I think it actually helped his credibility 176 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: because that was such an illegitimate prosecution from a the 177 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: worst president that any of us have ever seen. My 178 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: concern is Don Lemon. He's most irrelevant. We haven't mentioned 179 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: him probably on the program in six months. And if 180 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: he gets charged with a crime, he becomes a First 181 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: Amendment hero, even though he's a moron who I think 182 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: likely did commit crimes. I just think he benefits in 183 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: some way. Now, Walls, I think should be charged. I 184 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: think your point is it's hard to figure out how 185 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: to charge him with something that he could be convicted by. 186 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: Well, they could be charged with. 187 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: Though, like what give me the give me the prospective charge. 188 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: Usually it's things like when people say Comy should be charged, 189 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: or or you know, Letsia James, they wanted to be 190 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: charged with mortgage frauds. By the way, I think the 191 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: facts on this one are pretty clear. Comy people want 192 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: him charged. Under Lying to Congress, people have been saying 193 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: this about Fauci for a while. You know that he 194 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: would get charge. I'll give you one on Walls. It's 195 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: a great question. And by the way, if we have 196 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: prosecutors out there, this is a this is the question. 197 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: It's easy to say, file charges. 198 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: What is the actual charge based on the evidence that 199 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: I've seen, Buck, I think you could potentially argue, and 200 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: again this is potentially and they're doing subpoenas. Maybe they 201 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: get evidence to support this that Tim Walls. And again 202 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: I think it's very hard to get a conviction. But 203 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: let me make the case Tim Walls did not stop 204 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: Smali daycare fraud from occurring because the Smali Daycare fraudsters 205 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: were contributing money to his campaign with fraudulent dollars that 206 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: they were receiving. You would have to prove, as I 207 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: know you know this, but you would have to prove 208 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: his knowledge of not just the fraud, but the fraud 209 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: money coming to him. That is a super high bar, 210 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: and he would have to be even dumber than I 211 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: think he is to have left the evidentiary trail necessary 212 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: for that. 213 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: He would have to be. 214 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: He would have to be Hunter Biden level reckless, and 215 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: his daddy ain't the president well, and Hunter Biden level 216 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: reckless barely got him charged with anything, which is a 217 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: frustration in and of itself, So that would be one 218 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: angle of the charges that could have occurred. Potentially, and 219 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,239 Speaker 1: I don't know what the funding mechanisms that has occurred 220 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: for ICE. Potentially there is these anti ICE protests, the 221 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: money's coming from somewhere. If it were proven that Tim 222 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: Walls was funneling any of his campaign dollars to these 223 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: anti ICE protesters, potentially you could bring charges there. 224 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 2: That's a couple. 225 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying you could convict and you 226 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: have to get the charges brought. I think a conviction 227 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: is even more challenging than bringing charges. I guarantee you 228 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: we have a lot of prosecutors out in the audience. 229 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: What have you seen And I'm saying this to the 230 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: prosecutors eight hundred and two two two eight a two 231 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: that you think could represent a colorable claim against Tim Walls. 232 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: I would be interested to see what they have said 233 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: to your point. We told you look, Letitia James, I think, 234 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: beyond the shadow of a doubt, charges should be brought 235 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: against her. I think the comy charges I think those 236 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: were legitimate as well. And what I'll say is some 237 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: of you are going to say I don't even care 238 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: because they brought thirty four felony counts against Trump for 239 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: basically bookkeeping errors, and it was totally illegitimate in New 240 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: York City, and they made him sit there for six months. 241 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: And I still think that case is going to get tossed. 242 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: But you nailed it, Buck. 243 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: The punishment is the process, right, regardless of whatever ends 244 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,239 Speaker 1: up happening. So even if you could get the headline 245 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: of Walls charged with a felony, a lot of people 246 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: out there saying more power to you, and people are 247 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: going to say, well, what if we just charge Walls 248 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: with some nonsense just to make a point. 249 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe maybe that'll happen. 250 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: I still think very low, very low probability, because you 251 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 1: also then, I mean, look what happened to Trump. Yeah, 252 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: you just pointed out they charged him with thirty four 253 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: felonies and now he's the president. Benefit are enough people 254 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: knew by the charges, Enough people who look at the 255 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: mar A Lago raid. 256 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: Oh he's giving nuclear secrets away. 257 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: To the butler or whatever. No, not true, And now 258 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: he's the president. So that stuff you gotta be careful 259 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: with weaponizing the law. There are still enough Americans that 260 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: see that for what it is. I think that's true, 261 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: but no, no, I'm just I'm sitting here thinking could 262 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: we make Tim Walls a liberal hero by charging him 263 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: with a crime like he's also Honestly, I think Fry 264 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: is so much more odious than what Walls is just 265 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: a dumbass. Fry is actually cheering on and advocating for 266 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: the destruction of civilization. 267 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. He just 268 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: kind of a hapless He's a hapless rube. 269 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: Also, the problem with Fry getting charged, though, is it 270 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: makes him a national political figure. I think your analogy 271 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: of Trump getting charged was the best thing that could 272 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: have happened to him for his political career. Earn is, 273 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: sometimes when you over prosecute or aggressively read the statutes 274 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: to prosecute, you actually elevate people who should not be 275 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: national figures into national figure. Dumb Right now, Cozy Earth 276 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: will hook you up. All you have to do is 277 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: go to coz Y E A R T H. Cozy Earth. 278 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: They've got one hundred day trial and a ten year warranty. 279 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: They want you to be satisfied with your purchase. Go 280 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: online to cozyerth dot com. 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Check it out today, cozyeerth dot 288 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: com Code Clay. 289 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: You don't know what's you don't know right, but you could. 290 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: On the Sunday with Clay and Buck podcast. 291 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: Welcome Back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. President Trump 292 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: now taking questions from reporters. He's been going for about 293 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: ten hours now at least. Right when did he start speaking? 294 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: I think he started speaking at around eight thirty eight 295 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: forty five am Eastern, if I'm remembering correctly. And now 296 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: here we are sitting quite a bit later and he's 297 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: still going in Davos taking questions. I guess this is 298 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: hour five or hour six after an overnight flight. He's 299 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: got Howard Lutnick, Scott Bessant with him as well. I 300 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: wanted to play this, I believe we have Scott Bessant. 301 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: Buck did you see the flying elbow on Gavin Newsom 302 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: from Scott Bessant. This is what Scott Bessant had to 303 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: say about Gavin Newsom all time takedown. 304 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: Listen. 305 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 4: I think it's very, very ironic that Governor Newsom, who 306 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 4: strikes me as Patrick Bateman, meets Barkle beach Kin, maybe 307 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: the only Californian who knows less about economics than Kamala Harris. 308 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 4: He's here this week with his billionaire sugar daddy Alex Soros, 309 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: and the Davos is a perfect place for a man who, 310 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: when everyone else is on lockdown, when he was having 311 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: people arrested for going to church, he was having thousand 312 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 4: dollars a night meals at the French laundry. And I'm 313 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 4: sure the California people won't forget that. 314 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: Man. That's like he took out a two x four 315 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: on that one. 316 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: He decided it was time to tune up Gavin Newsom 317 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: like Brigitte Matt Cron tuned up em Manual. 318 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: I mean that was a tough one. 319 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: I mean to go after him that aggressively, and I 320 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: mean the Barbie reference is really, really funny. That is 321 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: well done. I wasn't anticipating besse at just bringing the 322 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: two x four to Davos. You know, there's often a 323 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: direct correlation between events and the news and the price 324 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: of precious metals like golden soil. Over yesterday, great example, 325 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: just the threat of tariff's buyer white House if a 326 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: deal can't be made for Greenland's future, and the price 327 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: of gold all of a sudden went up two and 328 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: a half percent in a single day. The stock market 329 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: went down by two percent. If I have gold is 330 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: up over the last year sixty percent. If you've been 331 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: watching now, that's just one year. Okay, fine, that's a 332 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: big move. Though, how about over the last twenty years. 333 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: The trend is your friend, look at it, seven hundred percent. 334 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: Gold has gone up over the last twenty years. There 335 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: are forces pushing the dollar lower and making our savings 336 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: less valuable. That's part of what is making gold go up. 337 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: It's your turn to buy some gold until February first. 338 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: If you're a first time gold buyer. Birch Gold Group 339 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: that's who I trust for my gold. They're offering a 340 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: rebate of up to ten thousand dollars on qualifying purchases, 341 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: they claim eligibility and start the process. Text my name, 342 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: Buck Do ninety eight, ninety eight ninety eight, Text buck 343 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: Do ninety eight, ninety eight ninety eight, Text buck Do 344 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: ninety eight, ninety eight ninety eight. Welcome back in here too, 345 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: play and buff, get some talk Bass, want to get 346 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: some of your calls as well, and let's dive into 347 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: we have but you all have Gary in California, My friends, 348 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: we got Gary. 349 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: What do we got from you? Gary? 350 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 5: Hey? 351 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 6: What claim Buck? By the way, I've been a longtime 352 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 6: listener to the Rush Slimbah Show since nineteen eighty six. Yeah, yeah, 353 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 6: he's working at the post office. I I would always 354 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 6: have Rush on the radio, and I got a lot 355 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 6: of my fellow on mechanics there at the VNF to 356 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 6: listen to listen to Rush. 357 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: Yes, well, thank you for that, and thank you for 358 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: five years in now, so thank you for sticking with us. 359 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: What you got for you? 360 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 6: You guys are doing great. I mean, it's so sad 361 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 6: when we lost Rush. It's just so sad. Anyways, I 362 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 6: don't know about you guys, but you know, Donald, it's 363 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 6: not the same Donald right now as he was two 364 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 6: months ago because when Donald said he would go after somebody, 365 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 6: he went after somebody, and I feel so sorry for 366 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 6: the people and Iran. He said that he was going 367 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 6: to cover them. You know, he drew a red line, 368 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 6: and I look at the amount of people that got 369 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 6: killed and it's just so sad. 370 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, let me just Yes, we got to figure 371 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: out what to do with Iran. Gary, But it was 372 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: like two weeks ago that Trump took out Maduro from 373 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: Venezuela in one of the most aggressive military actions in 374 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: any of our lives. It was only six months ago 375 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: that he bombed the nuclear capabilities of Iran. I think 376 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: not being willing to aggressively defend American actions and deploy 377 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: American assets when he sees it makes sense is actually 378 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: not somewhere you could criticize him. So you wanted him 379 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,719 Speaker 1: to do what with Iran bomb? 380 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 6: Well, what I would like to see. I mean, my next, 381 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 6: your neighbor human. He's a prime example. His father is 382 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 6: still in Iran and he really wanted to see Trump 383 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 6: step up and protect the people of Iran. I mean, 384 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 6: get the job done. Were people there in Iran, you know, 385 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 6: they were holding up signs Donald Trump. I mean, how 386 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 6: often have we seen that in Middle Book. 387 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: I think the Iran situation gary based on what I 388 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 1: have been told and what I have read and what 389 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: I have surmised, and I think, Buck, you may or 390 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: may not sign on with this. I think the concern 391 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: that was presented to Trump is if you attack Iran, 392 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: you probably are not going to remove the government, and 393 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna make the Middle East more unstable, which is 394 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: what Saudi Arabia and Israel, who often have different takes 395 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: on what should happen in the Middle East, both told 396 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: President Trump. So I think he's in a bit of 397 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: a tough spot there. Yes, that is correct. That is 398 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: why he didn't do it. I think it's not because 399 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,719 Speaker 1: he didn't have the I think anyone saying, ever that 400 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: Trump doesn't have the uh, the gumshoones, Yes, he doesn't, 401 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the hutzpah is sorely mistaken. 402 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: Let's not forget ye. 403 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: This is the guy who took a bullet in the air, 404 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: put his fist in the air while he was bleeding, 405 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: and said fight, fight fight. Not a lot of people 406 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: in Washington, DC elected office would pull that one off, 407 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you. But I think that he recognized 408 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: strategically Clay would not have had We're not in a 409 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: place to get to the end result. And you know this, 410 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: this is big boy foreign policy. Okay, can we do 411 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: this in Venezuela? And will it make things better? Can 412 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: we do it without it blowing up in our face? 413 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Get rid of Maduro? Take him off off the chessboard. 414 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: They they decided yes, and I think that decision is 415 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: going to look very prescient in retrospect. Could we do 416 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: it with the mullas in Tehran? I think the administration 417 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: looked at the available options, the reality of the opposition 418 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: on the ground, and they just said, we can't stop this. 419 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: And so you're kicking a hornet's nest without an ability 420 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: to eradicate the hornets, which is what you don't want 421 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: to do. The Wall Street Journal published this morning on 422 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: their editorial page the basely Secretary of State of Iran 423 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: and editorial, which I thought was kind of crazy, and 424 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: then they had an editorial explaining why they did it. 425 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: They still haven't turned the internet back on in Iran, 426 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: and I would just point out that governments that don't 427 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: allow you to use the internet are not necessarily very 428 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: confident in their staying power. So we will see how 429 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: that continues to play out. James in Louisville, what you 430 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: got for us? 431 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 5: Thank hey, fellow's nice to talk with you again for 432 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 5: the last four years. You've been on the air for 433 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 5: five you said multiple times, and Buck kind of busted 434 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 5: me on it a few minutes ago, right before, right 435 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 5: after I called and been waiting. The process is the punishment, guys. 436 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: Let's not forget that. And we got to sing that 437 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 5: loud and clear. Yes, it did help at the end 438 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 5: of the day that Trump did get elected because of 439 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 5: all the law fair because those weren't proper charge is 440 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 5: those weren't properly found. They tried to take something that 441 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 5: was local and bringing up to a federal up in 442 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 5: New York and all the other secnary everybody saw through this. 443 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 5: But this is billions and billions and billions of dollars. 444 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: James, I don't sorry, sorry to cut you off. James, 445 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything you said. Pretend that you 446 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: were a Democrat and Jacob Fry gets charged by Donald 447 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: Trump with what you consider to be because you're a Democrat, 448 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: illegitimate charges. Are you not of the opinion that it 449 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: could lead to Jacob Fry being a more popular political 450 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: figure than he was if he's not charged. That's the 451 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: question that we were debating because for Trump, for Republicans, 452 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: everybody rallied around him. Now you can say, yes, these 453 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: are illegitimate charges. They were all those things. I would 454 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: submit to you. There are very few persuadable Democrats who 455 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: are going to see any charges brought against Fry and 456 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: any charges brought against Walls and said, oh, Trump's got 457 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: them dead to rights. The DOJ has got a great 458 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: case here. I don't think those people exist. 459 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 5: Worried about but we're worried about the rule of law, 460 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 5: and in the political sense, the Independence that also agree 461 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 5: that the billions and tens of billions of dollars that 462 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 5: have been stolen from the American taxpayer, that we need 463 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 5: some retribution for that, and I think the Independence will 464 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 5: see that. 465 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well, thank you so so now we can 466 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: let the call it girl. Thank you caller. I appreciate 467 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: you calling in Clay. I would say, there's some responses, 468 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: and I've also gotten some tweets about it and everything else. 469 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: First of all, people need do I understand passions can 470 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: run high. Everyone always needs to take a moment when 471 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: you're talking about the difference between a prediction and a preference. 472 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: So I can say I think someone's going to win 473 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: the election. I can say I think a Democrat is 474 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: going to win this congressional seat. That's not the same 475 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: as saying I want them to I'm just saying, look, 476 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: I think this is what's going to happen. Unfortunately, right, 477 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to charge Tim Walls. I'm 478 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: willing to answer, or I'm willing to entertain why we 479 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: should charge Tim Walls. But someone needs to explain on 480 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: what grounds now for people who are saying, and this 481 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: is the buckism that many of you have adopted, and 482 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: I learned it from the CIA. By the way, the 483 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: process is the punishment, very real thing, very true. 484 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 2: They use that. However, even within that framework, and this 485 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: is what you. 486 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: Were getting to Clay, the process is the punishment can backfire. 487 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: That's my point. 488 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: It's that if you don't have any grounds whatsoever, and 489 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: I think against Walls, I'm going to say this, and 490 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: people can be doing I don't know of any grounds 491 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: whatsoever to charge Tim Walls with anything. 492 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: Don Lemon, No, that's different. 493 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: He obstructed a worship service and was an active participant allegedly. 494 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: In that obstruction. 495 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: Right, that's a different Maybe they bring charges so that 496 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, maybe they will, and maybe they should. 497 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: However, with Walls, you have to tell me what the 498 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: charge is. 499 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: If we charged him Walls with sedition just because he's 500 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: a blubbering buffoon, we're going to look like we don't 501 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: care about the law at all, and that may and 502 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: I think would, and you could even argue should backfire. 503 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: But Clay to your point, if we charge Walls with 504 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: knowingly accepting illicit campaign donations funneled through this, great, even 505 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: if it's a little bit of a stretch, even if 506 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: we have to prove the men's ray even Okay, fine, 507 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: but you have to operate within the realm of reality. 508 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: Because one, I think there are some ethics and principles 509 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: that we still should adhered to, Right, I don't think 510 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: we should just charge. You shouldn't just charged him Walls 511 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: with like murder because you don't like the guy, Like 512 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: that's crazy. And two I think that it doesn't it 513 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: doesn't help your political cause. So this is where the 514 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: as Bush would have said, strategicy comes in. 515 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with all of that. 516 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: That's why to me, you have to what's a great line, 517 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: shall we man, I'll show you the crime. Show me 518 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: the Frenty Berrier, the secret police chief in the Soviet Union. Yes, sirs, 519 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: show me that's impressive. Recall, show me the crime, the 520 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: best one that I could come up with. 521 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: And again we opened up phone lines. 522 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: This is significant, I think, and said, hey, former prosecutors, 523 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: what have you seen that you would charge Tim Walls 524 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: with producer Greg unless he's unless he's hanging up on 525 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: all the former prosecutors. I haven't gotten a former prosecutor 526 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: saying something different than what I just laid out to 527 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: me what I just laid out of. And again it's 528 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: tenuous because, to Buck's point, you have to prove that 529 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: he was doing this intentionally to benefit. Every crime has 530 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: most crimes, there are some strict liability offenses that gets 531 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: into the weeds, but most of them requires an act 532 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: and intent that Tim Walls allowed these Somali daycares to 533 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: continue because he personally wanted to profit off the donations 534 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: that they were making to his political campaigns. 535 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: That's a tough case to prove. 536 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: Now, could you potentially get an indictment and then the 537 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: process of. 538 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: The punishment becomes the crime. 539 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the best case scenario that I can make 540 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: so far as I can tell right now, based on 541 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: the evidence that I have seen, and I think that 542 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: we've made it very clear that something that has changed 543 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: in the Trump era was and I would say that 544 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: Trump himself, Trump himself was operating under this principle, and 545 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: it was for the for the betterment. That's a word, right, 546 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: for the betterments of the country. Sometimes you don't charge 547 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: people for non heinous, non super serious crimes in politics, 548 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: so we can move on before you start yelling at me. 549 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: Trump himself took that position with Hillary Clinton in the 550 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: classified information. He did not sick the DOJ on her. 551 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: He absolutely could have. Some would argue, who should have 552 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: she broke the law? I had a clearance I know 553 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: more about that Hillary does, which did was absolutely criminal. Okay, 554 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: she broke the law many times over, no question about it, 555 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: full stop. Many prosecutors actually have come out and said 556 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: that even though call me was like, no prosecutor, call me, 557 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: He's a jackass. Point is Clay there used to be 558 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: it's in the interest of the country to move on, 559 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: right that was our thing. I think we've argued now 560 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: in the Trump era, no, given what they've done to 561 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Trump and the repeated weaponization of the law they've used, 562 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: answer Republicans, we at least have to operate under a 563 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat and you break the law, talking 564 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: about Democrat and elected office, you pay the price. Leticia James, 565 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: she should be prosecuted if she broke the law. You know, 566 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: like you go down the list. Let me give you 567 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: one idea here, buck, as we go to break that 568 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: may could be in play. Maybe when they're sending these 569 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: grand jury requests for documents and whatnot, they may be 570 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: seating the ground for potential charges because if they don't 571 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: provide the information, then you could potentially have obstruction charges. 572 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: Now this is messy because you're basically creating the crime 573 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: itself by trying to get documents, of which they make 574 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: an obstruction trap. Instead of a perjury trap, it's an 575 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: obstruction trap. 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Clay Travis at 611 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: Buck Sexton. 612 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 613 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton 614 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: Show gets a couple of your calls here in a sect. 615 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: But our good friend Gavin Newsom medbody, we're gonna start 616 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: talk to Michelle Tafoya at the top of the next hour. 617 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: She has announced she is running as a Republican for 618 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: Senate in Minnesota. She will be in the primary here soon. 619 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: And uh, we got a bunch of callers. We'll get 620 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: to some of you guys. But Gavin Newsom was asked 621 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: what he thought about Democrats storming the church in Minneapolis 622 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: and just a few minutes ago in Davos. 623 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 4: This is what he said, Christian, you mentioned Anneapolis, any 624 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 4: comment on this Don Lemon charging those guys into the 625 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 4: church like that. 626 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: I literally it's funny. Someone mentioned the other day. 627 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 7: I have no idea what that was, big viral story 628 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 7: he had, the bunch of agitators, they ran into some kind. 629 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 2: Of church, into a church. 630 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: To be fair, play hold on a second, to be fair, 631 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom knows that if he walked into a church, 632 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: he would spontaneously combust, So he's not up on church stuff. 633 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: If you couldn't hear that, because there's a little bit 634 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: of talk back there, Gavin Newsom said he literally knew 635 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: nothing about Don Lemon going into a church. Now, I 636 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: think most of you are going to take my perspective, 637 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: which is he's lying about it. I would argue he's 638 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: got awful advisors, and uh, that is not a sign 639 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: that they are very competent. If he is unaware of this, 640 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: given how viral that story was and how much discussion 641 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: there has been, I think he's lying and trying to 642 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: avoid being held accountable for taking it. Having a take 643 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: on it Brian in Summerfield, North Carolina. 644 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 7: What you got, Brian, Hey, guys, you know, I just 645 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 7: you guys are taking me off right off the beginning. 646 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 7: I just started listening to you maybe ten minutes ago 647 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 7: and heard that other callers call about basically where you 648 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 7: guys were like, you know, oh, we're concerned about what 649 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 7: will this Democrat become even more popular and blah blah blah. 650 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 7: That's the calculus that's going on. Who cares the Democrats 651 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 7: will always vote Democrat. It's not like him becoming more 652 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 7: popular on the Democrat side is going to get him 653 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 7: more votes from the Republican side or even from the 654 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 7: independent side. 655 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: Just like that guy said, Okay, hold on, hold on, wait, 656 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: I got a question. Do you think it was good 657 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: or bad for Trump to be charged by the thirty 658 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: four counts in New York? 659 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 2: For example? Good or bad for Trump? 660 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 7: It's ridiculously awful. These are not trumped up charges. 661 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,760 Speaker 1: Hold on, I think there's a difference between the legal 662 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: and the political here. 663 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 2: What we're saying. 664 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: We'll take some more calls on this in the next hour. 665 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: What our position is. I think most people would agree 666 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: with this. I don't think Trump would be president of 667 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: the United States. If Democrats had never charged him with 668 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: a crime at all, I really think that won him 669 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: the elected. And so what are the charges that are 670 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: going to be brought? And I think you can learn 671 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: from the lesson of Trump. Sometimes when you think you 672 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: are tearing someone down, you can actually be elevating them 673 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: when you bring unsound, political based charges against people. So 674 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: we're bringing charges. It makes you look bad, everybody. Frivolous 675 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: charges are not smart because you're doing so under color 676 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: of law in the Constitution, just because they actually this 677 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: is like well buck, they take contributions from illegal aliens 678 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: for Yeah, but like we're not going to do that. 679 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: That's a bad idea. 680 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 2: Right. 681 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: There's fighting fire with fire and there's lighting yourself on fire.