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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: We are back together on the same show, and it

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Speaker 1: is one that is filled with tons of news, most

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Speaker 1: of it very positive. Buck is here in Nashville as

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Speaker 1: he has continued his world tour and we've got a

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Speaker 1: speaking engagement with one of our crew this afternoon evening,

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Speaker 1: so that will be very fun. But right off the top,

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Speaker 1: President Trump yesterday announced that we have what we hope

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Speaker 1: is a lasting peace arrangement.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: Trump is holding a cabinet meeting now, so we will

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Speaker 1: monitor and see what additional news is outstanding there. But

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Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start with all of this basic breakdown.

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Speaker 1: Monday is expected to be the day for the return

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Speaker 1: of the living hostages that have been held now for

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Speaker 1: over two years, since the October seventh, twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: terror attacks. Based on what I have seen, it appears

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Speaker 1: that there are around twenty different hostages that are still

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Speaker 1: alive and they've been held in the most extreme, awful

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Speaker 1: conditions imaginable for the past two years. That return seems

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Speaker 1: likely to happen. There has also been a cease fire

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Speaker 1: agreed to in Gaza, and let me play a couple

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Speaker 1: of cuts here. Cut one is President Trump on the

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Speaker 1: phone with the hostage family members. You can listen to

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Speaker 1: them as they cheer as President Trump lets them know

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Speaker 1: that their family members are coming home.

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Speaker 2: Cut one, President of.

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Speaker 1: Trump, you have the best crowd in the world. What

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Speaker 1: do you guys have to say to President Trump?

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Speaker 3: You did it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing, mister President. We believe in you.

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Speaker 3: We know you've done so much for us over the

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Speaker 3: past since you became a president, even before that, and

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Speaker 3: we trust you fulfilled the mission until every hostage, every

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Speaker 3: forty eight of the hostages are home.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Blessed be the Peacemaker.

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Speaker 1: God, bless you, mister President.

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Speaker 5: You just said here yourselves, the hostages will come back

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Speaker 5: there coming coming back on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Buck. Here's my big takeaway here.

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Speaker 1: They have spent a decade telling all of us that

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Speaker 1: are Trump supporters that we are Nazis, that Trump is

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Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler incarnate. And I know that because we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with oftentimes profoundly evil people who are going to continue

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Speaker 1: to enact against the people of Israel. That is, the

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Speaker 1: Muslim fundamentalist, the Islamic terrorists. They are going to continue

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Speaker 1: to attack, but to the extent that we can have

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Speaker 1: some form of normalcy return to the Middle East and

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Speaker 1: for Trump to get these hostages home. We hope and

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Speaker 1: pray that it will happen on Monday. The ones that

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Speaker 1: are still alive, I think twenty expected to still be alive.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight bodies that are still being held, is my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Of those forty eight that number there.

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Speaker 2: This would be one.

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Speaker 1: Of the most profoundly transformative, monumental Middle East peace agreements

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Speaker 1: As I know, I was over there in December, and

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Speaker 1: as you know, you've been there before. But Trump is

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Speaker 1: the most popular American president probably in the history of

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Speaker 1: Israel being a country. And this is a moment that

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Speaker 1: I think many of us believed was likely to occur,

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Speaker 1: and it's one that should provoke a great deal of

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Speaker 1: cognitive dissonance in the minds of all the people who

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Speaker 1: have been telling us that Trump is Hitler, that he's

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Speaker 1: going to bring about World War three. This is an

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Speaker 1: incredible accomplishment and Trump and his entire team should be

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Speaker 1: praised to the high heavens, regardless of what partisan lens

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Speaker 1: you've viewed this from. This is not just a home run.

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Speaker 1: This is an upper deck grand slam. If it comes

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Speaker 6: Well, even Trump haters are having to put the hate

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Speaker 6: on pause for a second here. I'm sure you've seen

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Speaker 6: some of this clay. They're saying, well, even if somebody's

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Speaker 6: wrong ninety nine times, if they're right on the hundredth

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Speaker 6: you know, even if he's doing it just because just

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Speaker 6: because he wants the Nobel Peace Prize, they're sneering at

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Speaker 6: him over this, But they have to admit that a

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Speaker 6: win is a win. As they say online, a win

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Speaker 6: is a win. You got to take the win, take

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Speaker 6: the w here, and I think it's important.

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Speaker 2: To view this.

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Speaker 1: The deal is in phases.

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Speaker 6: Our sense of this should follow, meaning it is enormously

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Speaker 6: it is enormous progress. It is enormously encouraging that the

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Speaker 6: war is coming to a stop, a cease fire. This

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Speaker 6: is actually happening right that there won't be bloodshed unless

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Speaker 6: at this point, if Hamas were to blow this deal

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Speaker 6: up at this stage, Israel's just gonna hunt them all

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Speaker 6: The fact that the hostages are going home, the fact

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Speaker 6: that Israel is trading for forty eight total, including some

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Speaker 6: the remains of hostages. Can I also note here all

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Speaker 6: the hostages should be alive. Yes, this is something that

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Speaker 6: doesn't get enough. These hostages were in the custody of Hamas.

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Speaker 6: They could have kept them all alive. Something I'm going

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Speaker 6: to keep returning to here, Clay, these are not Israel

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Speaker 6: and Hamas are not morally equivalent, nowhere near it as entities.

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Speaker 6: This is a situation. People can say it is simplistic,

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Speaker 6: but in terms of the combatants involved here it is

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Speaker 6: good guys and bad guys.

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Speaker 1: Israel are the good guys. That is just reality.

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Speaker 6: But the war coming to an end is obviously an

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Speaker 6: enormously encouraging a humanitarian step.

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Speaker 1: It's a good thing.

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Speaker 6: And Trump was the guy able to get this done

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Speaker 6: because he's somebody who manages to break the usual paradigm,

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Speaker 6: which is you have to beat your either pro Israeli

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Speaker 6: Israeli is kind of the way that this often breaks down.

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Speaker 1: With Trump.

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Speaker 6: It's no hold on, guys. I just have a goal here.

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Speaker 6: I want this thing to be done. I'm willing to

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Speaker 6: push and make concessions and deal make for both sides.

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Speaker 6: It's enormously you know, enormously encouraging, and I'm very, very

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Speaker 6: pleased the President has gotten this.

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Speaker 1: Let me hit you a couple of cuts. This is

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Speaker 1: President Trump on our friend Sean Hannity Show last night.

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Speaker 1: Here he is cut a You heard him say the

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Speaker 1: hostages would be coming home on Monday, but here he

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Speaker 1: is speaking in more detail. We should also say, before

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Speaker 1: replace some of these things, there are people who want

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Speaker 1: war to continue. There are many of them, and so

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Speaker 1: after effects sort of post action agreement that is designed

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Speaker 1: to try to derail this between now and then. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I think we should expect them before we place some

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Speaker 1: those cuts. Can I just throw as an addendum to

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Speaker 1: what you just said, there are American democrats, There are

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Speaker 1: leftists in our country who truly would rather see this conflict,

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Speaker 1: which they call a genocide. Mind you, it is not

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Speaker 1: a genocide, but they call it a genocide.

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Speaker 6: If they had their choice, they would rather the quote

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Speaker 6: unquote genocide continue. Then Trump get the credit for ending this,

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Speaker 6: which tells you a lot about the people involved. A

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Speaker 6: lot of people who are saying cease fire within hours

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Speaker 6: of the initial October seventh terrorist attack, which was a

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Speaker 6: bad faith. Israel's not allowed to defend itself, maneuver Clay

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, cease fires or suspect to them.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that so strange? Yeah, And you would think if

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Speaker 1: celebrations from the pro Palestindian activists. Again, they don't want peace,

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Speaker 1: they want a perpetual war. So my concern is a

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Speaker 1: attacks to derail this peace process. But here's Trump talking about,

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Speaker 1: as you laid out, Buck, this is a multi step process.

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Speaker 1: There are many different actions that have to be undertaken.

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Speaker 1: But Hamas turning over the hostages is basically the end

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Speaker 1: reason they took these two hundred and fifty hostages in

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Speaker 1: the first place was so they could continue to bargain

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Speaker 1: in some way with Israel. This was very intentional on

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Speaker 1: their part. Once the hostages and the bodies. Unfortunately, as

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Speaker 1: you said, Buck, of those hostages whose lives were lost

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Speaker 1: This is why they took these hostages. But this is

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Speaker 5: I think you're going to see all of that disappear.

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Speaker 5: I think you're going to see people getting along and

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Speaker 5: you'll see guys are being rebuilt. We're forming a council

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Speaker 5: that the Council of Peace. We think it's going to

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Speaker 5: It's going to be a different world. I think. Really

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Speaker 5: the Middle East came together amazingly, they came together. You know,

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Speaker 5: but the big thing, as hostages are going to be released,

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Speaker 1: The expectation, Buck, is that unless something has changed. The

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Speaker 1: to the Middle East and address the Israeli legislature the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. So all of this is potentially transformative. Again,

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Speaker 1: but Trump said he was going to bring peace here.

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Speaker 1: If he can do it, he would deserve the Nobel

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Speaker 1: Peace Prize. I also think this then we'll put more

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Speaker 1: of a attention on the Ukraine Russia conflict to see

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Speaker 1: if Trump can basically bring to a large extent peace

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Speaker 1: This is pretty impressive. Even you mentioned it, Buck, even

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Speaker 1: people who hate Trump. The Washington Post David Ignatius h

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Speaker 1: sign that that you've upset. The Apple card of expectations cut.

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Speaker 7: To the deal that President Trump is announcing played a

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Speaker 7: key part in negotiating. Is a significant change. This scar

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Speaker 7: was blocked for two years. President Biden, who preceded him,

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Speaker 7: was unable to find a way to stop it. President

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Speaker 7: Trump found that found that way by being tough on

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Speaker 7: And you'll take a victory lap for sure over the

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Speaker 7: next few days, but it's it's deserved.

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Speaker 1: There's no way that I can.

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Speaker 7: See that this would have been done without Trump's pressure

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is what I mean by David Ignatius is

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Speaker 6: not somebody who is pro Trump at all. He's worked

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Speaker 6: past as really an activist journalist. But I would say

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Speaker 6: this is just a recognition of the clear reality. People

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Speaker 6: this is a huge win, not just for Trump, but

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Speaker 6: a huge win for really everybody of good faith in

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Speaker 6: the Middle East, here at home around the world. A

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Speaker 6: They're gonna say that the war was basically coming to

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Speaker 1: good news today to celebrate and talk to all of

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Speaker 6: The return of hostages is imminent. We are told that

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Speaker 6: He's got our friends Sectef, Hegseeth and Sex State Rubio

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Speaker 6: But he says it's gonna happen Monday or Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: It was the latest.

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Speaker 6: So that is in process that there will be now

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Speaker 1: But obviously that's not.

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Speaker 1: All those people have been marching demanding a ceasefire and

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Speaker 6: Some of them, some of them honestly are upset at

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Speaker 2: All of you. Okay.

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Speaker 1: One of the attacks that's being leveled against Trump is

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Speaker 1: So you said you had a theory on this I'll

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Speaker 1: Motivation is public acclamation and it leads to world peace,

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Speaker 1: isn't that what awards should be based on. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Well, isn't that why the International Award of World Peace

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Speaker 6: If somebody cured cancer, and it's because they wanted to

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Speaker 6: I think that Trump is a far more humane person.

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Speaker 6: You know, they had to admit that that the award

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Speaker 6: I don't want us caring about Nobel prizes because these

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Speaker 1: Him, and I think that it would be too much

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Speaker 1: I think the real challenge that they're facing here is

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Speaker 1: many of the people who have spent a decade lecturing

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Speaker 1: us that we were on the wrong side of history,

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Speaker 1: if they're being honest with themselves, are having a recognition

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Speaker 1: that they were wrong about all of this and that

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Speaker 1: they're actually the bad guys. And in order to avoid

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Speaker 1: having to recognize that they were wrong about everything and

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Speaker 1: that they misidentified and misattributed motivations for Trump. They're now

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Speaker 1: grasping at straws to come up with reasons why things

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Speaker 1: that are great for everyone are not in reality great,

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Speaker 1: and Buck, you hit on something that I think is

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Speaker 1: important here. What Trump has managed to do is be

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Speaker 1: both beloved by Israel and beloved by many different Arab countries.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty difficult to pull off. In fact, almost no

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Speaker 1: one has ever been able to do it. And I

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Speaker 1: think the reason he has been able to pull it

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Speaker 1: off is he connects with the Arab community to a

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Speaker 1: large extent on business. They just see each other. There's

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Speaker 1: not a religious component to it. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: wade into the war of religion here. They just see

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Speaker 1: it from a capitalistic perspective. Those guys are trying to

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Speaker 1: build buildings, They're trying to build legacies from a capitalistic perspective.

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Speaker 1: Trump respects it. They respect his ability to have done that.

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Speaker 1: And on the Israel front, I think Trump, because you

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Speaker 1: can speak to this having grown up in New York City,

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Speaker 1: I think he sees and has a great affinity for

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Speaker 1: Jewish people his daughter is Jewish, his grandchildren are Jewish,

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Speaker 1: and son in law is Jewish. Son in law is Jewish.

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Speaker 1: He's not primarily addressing this from a religious prism. He

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Speaker 1: just wants everybody to be have peace in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: And it's pretty remarkable, honestly.

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Speaker 6: Well, the fact that he is a results driven guy

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Speaker 6: who is very you know, what have you done for

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Speaker 6: me lately in his approach to these things, And that's

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Speaker 6: a good thing. It's not ideological for him, to your point.

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Speaker 6: It's not about some deep seated desire to prove one

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Speaker 6: side right or wrong or to He just wants them

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Speaker 6: to stop killing each other and to stop the warfare

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Speaker 6: from happening. And now, to be clear, these are not

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Speaker 6: morally equivalent sides Hamas and Israel. But Trump's perspective on

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Speaker 6: this is it's the same thing with Russia, UKRAINI my dad.

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Speaker 6: It's not morally equivalent there either, But we just want

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Speaker 6: people to stop dying on that battlefield. That is the

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Speaker 6: most pressing issue. One thing that I would say though

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Speaker 6: with all of this is Hamas cannot be allowed to

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Speaker 6: stay in charge. That is the for me, and it's

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Speaker 6: now as part of the deal that is part of

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Speaker 6: the deal, but there has to be an understanding of

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Speaker 6: that's a redline. Israelis did not go through all this

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Speaker 6: for two years. The IDF has not fought this this

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Speaker 6: war for two years and done all of the things

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Speaker 6: that they have done to severely destroy Hamas capabilities so

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Speaker 6: that they can just play this game once again on

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Speaker 6: the Hamas side of we're gonna take We're gonna sell

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Speaker 6: the aid on the black market, we're gonna build up

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Speaker 6: you know, we're gonna have very rich Hamas leadership. Everybody

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Speaker 6: else is poor, and we're gonna smuggle in missiles again.

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Speaker 6: That cannot happen, okay, because we didn't go through the

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Speaker 6: last two years for that to happen again. But that

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Speaker 6: means that there has to be accountability on the Hamas

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Speaker 6: side too. If they start breaking the agreement, there's going

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Speaker 6: to have to be enforcement of that agreement. I know

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Speaker 6: Trump knows this, but I just think we have to

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Speaker 6: keep that in mind too, because otherwise this is just

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Speaker 6: the cycle continuing with a little bit of a pause.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why the goal is to have Arab

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Speaker 1: countries involved in Gaza governance because and I know it's

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Speaker 1: in the weeds but there is some sort of board

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Speaker 1: that is supposed to be involved in the governance of Gaza,

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Speaker 1: and that that's why you want to have countries like

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia or Qatar or Bahrain at places where commerce,

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Speaker 1: I would say, is what to a large extent is

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Speaker 1: the motivation the UAE as opposed to religion. And what

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Speaker 1: I mean by that is Iran is a religious theocracy

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Speaker 1: and it has fallen behind places like Saudi Arabia. Not

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Speaker 1: to say that certainly Saudi Arabia is not a religious country,

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Speaker 1: just that if you're looking around in those countries, if

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Speaker 1: you're Iranian, your country and your civilization was one of

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Speaker 1: the strongest in the Middle East for thousands of years

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Speaker 1: the Persian people. And now you're looking at Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 1: and the UAE and Katar and all these other countries

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Speaker 1: that have completely dominated you. Now, yes they have oil,

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Speaker 1: but Iran has oil, and I think that's a difficult

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Speaker 1: position to be in, which is why Trump, again connecting

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Speaker 1: on the commerce side with many of these Arab countries,

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Speaker 1: wants there to be rational peace because if you can't

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Speaker 1: have you can't have successful commerce without peace. And the

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Speaker 1: Arab countries buy and large. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: them get that, and that's why they need to be involved.

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Speaker 1: Whereas Amas is basically convinced that for thousands of years

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Speaker 1: they're going to be in a perpetual war with Israel. Iran,

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Speaker 1: I think, is on that perspective, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: the Middle Eastern countries are not anymore. And that's why commerce,

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Speaker 1: maybe not with religion, but commerce could start to be

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Speaker 1: connective tissue here.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what Trump has seen.

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Speaker 6: Well, these Middle Eastern countries. Remember, there's the Sunni Shia

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Speaker 6: divide that has increasingly, i think opened up opportunities for

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Speaker 6: the US in the region because Saudi's, for example, Iran

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Speaker 6: is a huge thorn in their side and all of

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Speaker 6: the Iranian activities in the region are problematic from the

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Speaker 6: Sunni Arab perspective. This has been the case for a decade,

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Speaker 6: well forever, but certainly in recent decades we've seen how

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Speaker 6: this has played out. But Clay, one of the one

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Speaker 6: of the really encouraging such things that is playing out

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Speaker 6: as well is that in the aftermath of this deal,

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Speaker 6: the enemies of Israel, and really therefore the enemies of

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Speaker 6: broader diplomacy and stability in the region are more on

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Speaker 6: their back foot. You know, they have been depleted, they

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Speaker 6: have been undermined more than at any time that I

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Speaker 6: can remember. Hesbola Hamas, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, all of

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Speaker 6: these different entities and everyone that they work with is

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Speaker 6: in a really weak spot right now because of the IDF,

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Speaker 6: but also of course America coming in with the final

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Speaker 6: blow on the nuclear facilities, which was a very This

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Speaker 6: came up when I was talking to our Taiwanese allies.

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Speaker 6: Came up with the President of Taiwan, Clay last week

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Speaker 6: that the the action that Trump took all the nuclear

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Speaker 6: facilities was really encouraging to our allies around the world.

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Speaker 6: That America will still throw a knockout punch at the

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Speaker 6: bully if it has to, and that Trump will certainly

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Speaker 6: do that when he has to. So there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of reason for optimism right now. We go into this

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Speaker 6: with our eyes wide open. You pointed out already there

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Speaker 6: are people, there are people in this country who are

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Speaker 6: they love ceasefire, and now they don't love ceasefire as much,

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Speaker 6: which tells you all you have to know about their

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Speaker 6: ethics and morality.

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Speaker 1: There are a few ways that this could go in

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Speaker 1: the wrong direction pretty quickly.

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Speaker 6: But right now at least, this is a huge breakthrough,

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Speaker 6: and there's a lot of reason to believe that this

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Speaker 6: could continue to make the region much safer.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, we will talk about more of this. We'll

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Speaker 1: take some of your talkback. We're scheduled to be joined

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Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think we've said it yet

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Speaker 1: by Senator Tommy Tubberville of Alabama in the second hour

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Speaker 1: of the program, but you just heard. Israel and Amas

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Speaker 1: have agreed to one of a piece deal that President

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Speaker 1: Trump says will see the release of the remaining hostages,

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Speaker 1: twenty of whom we still believe are alive, along with

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Speaker 1: the twenty eight who have been killed by Hamas. The

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Speaker 1: deal also has Israel withdrawing its troops from most of

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Speaker 1: Gaza in initiating a ceasefire with Hamas. Big moment for

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Speaker 1: next few days as it all plays out. Past two

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Speaker 1: years have been incredibly difficult, but through it all, America

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Speaker 1: has stood by Israel. One reason is because Israel represents

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Speaker 1: the only true democracy in the Middle East, and they've

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Speaker 1: been a consistent ally of the United States since nineteen

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Speaker 6: Want to make sure we get to your talkbacks and

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Speaker 6: careful on some of your phrasing. I see when I

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Speaker 6: didn't expect you to come out as game. You don't

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Speaker 6: have to discuss the Polish sausage incident of October twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty five. We don't have to discuss this. Okay, you

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Speaker 6: were out, buddy, all right, so that's off limits. What

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Speaker 1: Was not expecting To look down at my phone and

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Speaker 1: see that Buck was talking about his roommate introducing him

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Speaker 1: to Polish sauceage, my mentions.

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Speaker 6: My mentions all of a sudden got very feisty, and

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Speaker 6: I was like, oh God, here we go.

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Speaker 2: I was shopping with my wife Laura.

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Speaker 1: I looked down at my phone and and I just

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Speaker 1: couldn't stop laughing. I'm in a you know, women's clothing store.

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Speaker 1: First of all, awkward for any man to just if

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Speaker 1: of the store where there might be four men's shirts,

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Speaker 1: Like this store didn't even pretend that they cared about

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Speaker 1: men at all. So I'm already just kind of walking

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Speaker 1: around awkwardly in there, and then I just start giggling

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Speaker 1: like a like a schoolboy.

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Speaker 6: Uh, they didn't have a husband chair for you. The

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Speaker 6: smart stores always have the husband chair, you know where

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Speaker 6: you said. It's pretty comfy too, if they if they

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Speaker 6: know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: I was looking for the husband chair, but the husband

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Speaker 1: chair had boxes in it because they had recently gotten

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Speaker 1: a shipment. So I'm just standing around awkwardly. You know,

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Speaker 1: every woman's like you're in the way. You can't even

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Speaker 1: and not be in the way of everyone else. And uh,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just standing there giggling at your Polish sausage commentary.

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Speaker 2: So so that was my uh.

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Speaker 1: I guess that was what Tuesday when you come to

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Speaker 1: best your Polish sausage.

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Speaker 6: Love, fond of fond of Chicago, Fond of Chicago. Truck

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Speaker 6: or Don and Saint Louis bail us out? What have

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Speaker 6: you got for us from the road.

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Speaker 4: Hike guys, thank you for taking Mike all. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Great show as usual.

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Speaker 4: You guys are the best. First of all, Clay, I

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Speaker 4: feel your pain. I went to go to the Trump

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Speaker 4: rally on the the Harry Truman this weekend with my son,

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Speaker 4: and because I didn't have a star on my license,

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Speaker 4: I was not allowed in.

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Speaker 1: So this is the real ID people out there. There's

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Speaker 1: a small contingent of us like we just can't get

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Speaker 1: in places where you're expected to.

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Speaker 2: Are able to get out.

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Speaker 6: Civilization requires adhering to rules. Gentlemen, We Floridians have real IDs.

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Speaker 6: You Tennesseeans need to get on the bandwagon. It's it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: At some point, I'm gonna have to go to the

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Speaker 1: DMV to get my star when we come back. Buck,

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Speaker 1: maybe you can confess your love of other sausages. Never

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Speaker 1: know what's going to mean.

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Speaker 6: Culinary delights are a frequent topic on this show, so

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Speaker 6: we will be back shortly with that and more