1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Blood on the Tracks is a production of I Heart 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Radio and Double Elvis. John Lennon was a musical genius 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: and one of the most beloved cultural figures of the 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: twentieth century. His songs inspired dreamers to imagine, his search 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: for the truth gave power to the people. But some 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: thought he dreamed too much. Others thought he was too powerful. 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: So he was followed, he was threatened, he was declared 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: a danger to the United States, and in night he 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: was assassinated. This is his story told by his so 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: called friends. This is special Agent Jim Steele with the 11 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Federal Bureau of Investigation work in case number double oh 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: nine dash zero eight dash zero four nine one case 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: subject of Glennon, John Winston oh No. This information pertains 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: to a period and in December seven interview subject as 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: Yuko own Oh Lennon interview number zero dash zero two 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: DATS zero six one dash nine one. Recall number one December. 17 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: If John Lenning was assassinated, they did a hell of 18 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: a job, just like the job they did on John F. Kennedy. 19 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: That was a hell of a job. They've gotten rid 20 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: of so many of the great ones over the years. 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: You know, if Mark David Jackman was a dupe, like 22 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the Harvey Oswald was that he was the perfect people. 23 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: They couldn't have picked the crazier guy. John was about 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: to start the talking. He was about to become active again, 25 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: not just with music but publicly. It's the perfect time 26 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: to get rid of him. It's certainly a possibility. And 27 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: if it wasn't the government, there were others that could 28 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: have worried about the picture. People felt threatened, who felt betrayed, 29 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: people who let a grudge, maybe a spiritual bludge or 30 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: political blutch. Well, no, bros, don't we I know I've 31 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: got a few, God knows, I know a thing or 32 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: two about threats and grudges and all that messing stuff, 33 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: the stuff that leaves so much the tracks. Chapter three, 34 00:02:49,360 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: John Lennon and Phil Specter. H fuck John Lennon. There 35 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: I said it. It had to be said. Who else 36 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: is gonna say it? You've thought it, you just wouldn't 37 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: dare say it out loud. But I'll dare. Why Because 38 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: I gave John opportunity after opportunity, each one better than 39 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: the last, And the more I tried to help him, 40 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: the more ungrateful he became. Look, I know he was 41 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: a Beatle, but I'm Phil Specter. Okay, the playing field 42 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: is at least even. Look, it's the nineteen seventies. John 43 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to be a Beatle. Fine, it's a free country. 44 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's a free country over in England, too 45 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: free enough to not be a Beatle if you don't 46 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: want to be, So what are you gonna do when 47 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: you decide to throw in the towel on the biggest 48 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: band and on the planet. You've got to reinvent yourself, right, Okay? 49 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: Also fine, John spent the nineteen seventies distancing himself from 50 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: the Beatles, but he didn't know who the hell he 51 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: wanted to be. Next working class hero. Please. If he 52 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: was working class, then I made bare bones Folk Records 53 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: with a nylon string guitar. This is the guy who 54 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: just had to call his record company to get ten 55 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and walking around money bam, just like that 56 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: when he came out to l a look takes one 57 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: to know one, Okay. The point is John Lennon didn't 58 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: know what he wanted one and doubt fuck it. And 59 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: then I walked in and I showed him what he 60 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: could be. I flew out to England and we made 61 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: Plastic Ono Band and imagine they're great fucking records. They 62 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: didn't just give John a glimpse of who he could be. 63 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: They also proved that I could play against Type two 64 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: and make a lean, emotional statement that didn't have giant 65 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: band behind it. He liked what we did on those 66 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: records so much that once he was living in the 67 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: United States, he flew out to l A to make 68 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: another record with me. Don't let Yoko tell you different. 69 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: That's why he came out there. It's true that he 70 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: and Yoko were going through a tough time, but the 71 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: time he spent in l A was because he was 72 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: there to make a record with me, not because Yoko 73 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: ordered him to go to the other side of the 74 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: country just to blow the cobwebs out of his brain. 75 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: Ask May Pang, she'll back me up. May was John's 76 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: assistant and also his travel companion, and also the woman 77 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: he carried on an affair with while he and Yoko 78 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: were on the rocks. This is the start of the 79 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: period that everyone calls the Lost Weekend, even though it 80 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: wasn't a weekend. It was eighteen long months of estrangement 81 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: between those two and there was nothing lost about it, honestly. 82 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, John spent most of it high as ship, 83 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: but we were all high as ship. Excuse me, are you? 84 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: Mr Phil Specter? Look, it's been a real bad day. 85 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: Could you come back in April. That's why the l 86 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: A sessions were a bit of a disaster. Everyone was stoned. 87 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: We drank directly out of vodka bottles. And it was 88 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: a record that John was essentially forced to make by 89 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: Maurice Levy. Of all people, you didn't funk around with 90 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Maurice Levy. He knew guys. He was tied to the mob. 91 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: He owned Birdland in New York City and also Roulette Records. 92 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: He owned some record store chain to Strawberries, but some 93 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: of his most prized possessions were the publishing rights to 94 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: songs like Chuck Berry's you Can't Catch Me. He sued 95 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: John for repurposing one of the lines from that song 96 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: and come Together. Okay, you know this whole story, it's boring, 97 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: bing bang boom. We're making a record entirely of songs 98 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: that Maurice Levy owns the publishing rights too, so that 99 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: Marice Levy can make a lot of money off it. 100 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 1: When it's released. That's the agreement that he and John 101 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: came to. I didn't care what we were recording. It 102 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: was John Lennon, okay, So I knew it was gonna 103 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: make money no matter what. And also we were recording 104 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: an album of rock and roll standards. We were going 105 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: to call it oldies, but Moldi's stuff from the fifties. 106 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: That's my bag. Man. People said I lived in the past, 107 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't let the past go, and then John 108 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: Lennon comes along and validates my living in the past. 109 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: It was too good. Plus I had what I wanted, 110 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: control of those sessions me. John had put me in control. 111 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: He didn't want control. He trusted me to steer the 112 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: ship to take his career to the next place. He 113 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: just wanted to be the singer in a band. He 114 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: wanted to be told what to do. Phil so a 115 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: big chance today and m now, let's not fuck it. 116 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: He told me, Phil, I just want to be Ronnie. 117 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: You do everything else. He was referring, of course, to 118 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: my wife at the time, Ronnie Specter, who sang lead 119 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: in the Ronets back in the sixties. If only he 120 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: had just stuck with the plan, If only he had 121 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: just trusted me. See, the sessions in Los Angeles were 122 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: my sessions. Okay, it was my money and my time, 123 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: and so as far as I was concerned, I owned 124 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: those master tapes. He says. I held the tapes hostage. 125 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: I was just protecting what was rightfully mine. When I 126 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: realized the whole thing was going to ship because the 127 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: sessions were fucked up, there was this damn bird at 128 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: the window, and then there were more noises coming from outside, 129 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 1: always just bleeding into the studio. And then the bass 130 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: player got into a car wreck, and then I got 131 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: into a car wreck. And the whole time, John still 132 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: doesn't know what he wants to be doing with his life. 133 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a nine year old. There were some 134 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: good times, the kind of times I can barely remember. 135 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: You know they were good when you can't remember. The 136 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: sessions would spill out into the l a nightlife. We 137 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: hit the restaurants, drunk and stoned and make a scene. 138 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: Jesse Ed came with us. That's Jesse d a us 139 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: fucking great guitar player. This one night we were at 140 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: the Brasserie and Sunset Plaza. I remember being under the 141 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: dining table with John giggling like a couple of teenagers 142 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: with their first whiffs of reefer. I'd shake up a 143 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: champagne bottle and tell John to open wide. He would, 144 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: and I'd popped the cork out of the bottle and 145 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: shoot champagne right in his face. Meanwhile, Jesse Ed is 146 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: drunkenly trying to reassure the restaurants staff and the other 147 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: customers that everything is all right. Don't worry. It's just 148 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: a beatle and the world's most famous record producer rolling 149 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: around on the floor covered in champagne. Right. John and 150 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: I eventually emerged from under the table and got on 151 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: top of the table. I think I had put some 152 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: carrot sticks in my ears. John was laughing so hard 153 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: I thought he'd puke. I yelled, hey, John, watch this, 154 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: and I did this backflip off the table. I mean, 155 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: I thought I did a graceful backflip. I don't think 156 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: I'd ever attempted a backflip before that moment. All I 157 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: did was bend the funk out of my back midair, 158 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: and before my body could rotate the full sixty degrees, 159 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: I hit my head off the goddamn floor and I 160 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: bit down on my tongue. That was where the fun ended. 161 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: That night. My head hurt, my tongue was swollen. It's like, 162 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: what do you call it? A metaphor. It's like a 163 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: metaphor for me and John. It was all fun and 164 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: games until somebody got hurt and I got hurt. I 165 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: don't know what Yoko told you, but I'm guessing she 166 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: didn't tell you a real reason why she and John 167 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: were in the United States in the first place. I 168 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: know the real reason. It was Yoko's daughter, ki Yoko. 169 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: Yoko's ex husband, Tony Cox. He was hiding out here, there, 170 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: and everywhere with Kiyoko and wasn't allowing Yoko to see 171 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: her or talk to her. He eventually made his way 172 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: to Houston, of all places, with Kyoko and his new wife. 173 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: So Yoko wanted to be in the US to hunt 174 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: down her ex husband in order to see your daughter. Now. 175 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: Shortly before Tony went to Houston, Kei and Yoko had 176 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: a shared custody arrangement when it came to Kiyoko, but 177 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: Tony was more than a little wary of John and 178 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: Yoko's lifestyle. He was concerned that the way they lived 179 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: was an appropriate environment for a child. He even started 180 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: to worry that Yoko would keep Kiyoko from him. And 181 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: there was a car wrex somewhere in the Scottish Highlands, 182 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: I believe, when Kiyoko and John's son Julian were in 183 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: the car. Anyway, Tony got squirrely. First he decided that 184 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: he had to be present when Kyoko was with John 185 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: and Yoko. And then one day Tony disappeared and he 186 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: took Kiyoko with him. Kyoko was seven at the time. 187 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: Someone close to both parties told John and Yoko that 188 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: Tony had decamped to Malorca, Majorca whatever, that that Spanish island. 189 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: He was there for some spiritual guidance courtesy of some 190 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: yogi or shaman or whatever the fuck. And so you 191 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: know what John and Yoko did. They went after them. 192 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: They went to get Kiyoko. It was March or April. 193 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: John and Yoko flew out to the island. They had 194 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: to charter their own flight. They got there in Yoko 195 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: called Tony. Tony agreed to meet with her, but only 196 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: if she came alone. This is around the time that 197 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: John learns that Tony is shacking up with this Maharishi 198 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: guy and ship. Well, you know about John and Maharishi's. 199 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: There are a bunch of phonies in John's eyes, so 200 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: no doubt John c's read when he hears this, not 201 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: really for any other reason than he really doesn't like Maharishi's. 202 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Yoko does some recon and finds Kiyoko is at a 203 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: school nearby, like a place for the kiddies to be 204 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: while the adults all achieve higher consciousness or whatever. So 205 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: she gets John and another friend of theirs, Dan Richter, 206 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: and the three of them sneak into the place in 207 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: broad daylight. It's like the fucking Great Escape. They were 208 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: literally crouching, sneaking through doors and across halways, being extra 209 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: careful that they're not found out by any adults working there. 210 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Or maybe worse, some kids screams out that there's these 211 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: two strangers skulking around a fucking kindergarten. Now, according to 212 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: who you believe, one of two things happened. Either Yoko 213 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: spots Kiyoko playing in a group of kids, and when 214 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: their eyes locked, Kiyoko runs into her mother's outstretched arms 215 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: like any seven year old who has been taken away 216 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: from their mother would, Or it was Dan Richter, John 217 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: and Yoko's aiding and a betting friend who made the 218 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: daring kidnap of Kyoko. Because look, that's what it was. 219 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: They kidnapped Kyoko. One of the teachers screams out loud. John, Yoko, 220 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: and Dan high tailed it out of the school with 221 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: Kyoko in their arms. They got to their car, which 222 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: was parked right outside. John and Yoko jump in the 223 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: back seat with Kiyoko, and Dan drove. You've got to 224 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: think that reality was setting in hard for all of 225 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: them at this point. John and Yoko are literally on 226 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: the floor of the back seat, Kiyoko in their arms, 227 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: freaking out, and Kiyoko was realizing that she's been taken 228 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: from her father, and you've got Dan driving this hot 229 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: mess around. Cops found them at John and Yoko's hotel suite. 230 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: Later that night, John and Yoko were arrested, Dan Richter disappeared, 231 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: Kyoko went back to Tony Cox, and then Alan Klein 232 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: flew in, you know, the Beatles business manager who was 233 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: busy screwing them all over. So Alan came in and 234 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: took over, and thanks to him, John and Yoko didn't 235 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: do time in a Spanish prison or anything. A few 236 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: years later, when John was in l A and we 237 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: were attempting to make that rock and roll record. His 238 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: first son, Julian, came out to visit. Julian lived with 239 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: his mother back in England. John didn't see him all 240 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: that much. I know it was hard for John, and 241 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: I know all the drama surrounding Kiyoko only added to 242 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the conflict of feelings he had as a parent who 243 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: wasn't a regular part of his kid's life. Relationships with 244 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: John could be strange. They'd start fine and then they'd sour, 245 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: or like in Julian's case, they started off rocky and 246 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: got better as the years went on. I mean ship 247 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: John threatened to have his own father shot, his body 248 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: dumped out at sea. I ain't kidding, man. John got 249 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: cozy with the Maharishi and then things went south. He 250 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: bought into the primal scream guy jam and off when 251 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: we were doing that Plastic Go No Band album, and 252 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: then turned his back on it. He was all buddy 253 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: buddy with John Sinclair and Bobby Seal and all those radicals, 254 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: and then thought better about it and shut his yap 255 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: when it came to politics. So when he accused me 256 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: of stealing the tapes, of the oldies. But Moldy sessions 257 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: my tapes. Remember I knew where the relationship was going. 258 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: John no longer wanted me around, I guess, so we 259 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: made a deal and both got what we wanted. I 260 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: got ninety grand from a Capitol Records exact and exchange 261 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: for handing the tapes over, and John got to move 262 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: on without me. But what really pisces me off is 263 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: that John Lennon would then go on to use me 264 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: use my name as an excuse for why his record 265 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: wasn't done. When Mars Levy and his tough guys came calling, 266 00:16:52,520 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this world, World, World, Maurice 267 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: Levy told John they had to meet in the fall 268 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: of nine. Maurice Levy wanted to know where the funk 269 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: his record was. He was waiting to reap the royalties 270 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: from all those rock and roll tunes. He owned the 271 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: publishing rights too. Remember, he had given John a break 272 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: and decided not to sue his ask for millions of dollars. 273 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: But this was the compromise. John had to make the record, 274 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: but the record was late. John was late. Now John 275 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: had just gotten the tapes back from me, and the 276 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: sessions had been such a drunken mess that only a 277 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: handful of songs could be salvaged for release. Is that 278 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: my problem? I did what I was told, I took 279 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: control and told everyone what to do. But you know, 280 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: people don't listen, and then when they do listen, there's 281 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: a goddamn bird outside the window, or someone rams into 282 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,479 Speaker 1: your car, and that lays you up in bed for weeks. 283 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: So Maurice Levy tells John to meet him at Club Cavallero, 284 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: fifty eighth Street, New York City, right between Fifth and Madison. God, 285 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you, I don't miss New York City. 286 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: But John was back in New York, still on his 287 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: so called lost weekend trip, shacking up with May Pang 288 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: in an apartment while Yoko skulked in their place at 289 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: the Dakota, was probably trying to figure out if she 290 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: would ever take him back. His affair with May was 291 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: full blown, and as usual, I don't think he knew 292 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: what the funk he wanted. So John went to Club 293 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: Cavallero and brought May with him along with his lawyer, 294 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: this guy Harold Sada Maurice Levy on the Cavallero. Now, 295 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: I told you before that Mars knows guys he had 296 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: ties to organized crime for years, though no one would 297 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: be able to prove it until much later. At least 298 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: five federal grand juries are investigating allegations of mafia involvement 299 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: in the music business, and Tuesday, a grand jury in Newark, 300 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: New Jersey, returned to one seventeen count indictment against people, 301 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: including Marius Levy, a powerful figure in the music business 302 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: who owns record companies and record stores. He was a 303 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: shady guy. He would find ways to give himself writing 304 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: credit on a song, even though he'd never written a 305 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: bar of music in his goddamn life, so that he 306 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: could get richer and richer off the artists who worked 307 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: for him. When it came to running his label, Roulette Records, 308 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: he ran it like a mob boss. You've heard of Payola, right, Well, 309 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: this ship was like Paola or Elsa. He'd grabbed the 310 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: latest Roulette forty five, pick up a couple of fancy 311 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: prostitutes in his nice car, and then drive to meet 312 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: with disc jockeys. Morris would give them the new Roulette 313 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: singles along with an envelope of cash, let the DJ's 314 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: party with the prostitutes, and in return Roulette singles would 315 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: get significant airplay. If you were a DJ and Mars 316 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: Levy worked you over like that with some dough and 317 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: a plain white envelope and some ready willing hookers. Holy shit, man, 318 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: you'd better play those fucking records, because if you didn't, 319 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: Morris would come back, and this time he'd bring some 320 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: guys on the payroll who enjoyed breaking kneecaps with baseball bats. 321 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: There is no connection between the mob and the music business. 322 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: John knew this. He knew who he was dealing with 323 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: when he walked into Club Cavallero. He was walking into 324 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: a meeting with a disappointed Maurice Levy. John had to 325 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: deal with this guy to release a record, and John 326 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: delayed the release, and then he wound up releasing an 327 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: entirely different album while the tapes for this project sat 328 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: on a shelf and gathered dust. John was in breach 329 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: of his contract with Maurice Levy. No bueno. He was 330 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: greeted inside the Cavallero by some of Marris's guys, big 331 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: guys who barely fit into their polo shirts, and they 332 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: all sat on either side of him at this horse 333 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: shaped table inside. There was no way out for John, 334 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: they could do whatever the hell they wanted to him. 335 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: What's he gonna do to Morris's place? Morris's guys, Morris's 336 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: rules only in America? Am I right? You think? At 337 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: some point along the way, John thought, why don't I 338 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: just go back to England, you know, because America's nuts man. 339 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: So after a few minutes of awkward conversation with these cronies, 340 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: mars Levy finally walks in the room, sits down at 341 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: the table, and asks John point blank, what's the fucking problem? 342 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: And guess what? He throws me under the bus, says, 343 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: it's all my fault. I'm the problem. Phil Specter, he 344 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,239 Speaker 1: called me a loon, said I was out of my 345 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: mind that I came and went, that I couldn't control 346 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: the players, that I shot a gun off in the studio, which, okay, 347 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: I'll admit that did happen, But listen, shit happens. John 348 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: tried to buy off Morris Levy, or rather his lawyer, 349 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: Harold Sayer did. Harold asked Morris if a cool two 350 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: grand would smooth things over? Can you believe that John 351 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: tried to Maurice Levy? Maurice Levy, I'm sure Mars just 352 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: laughed at that offer. John Lennon was on the hook brother, 353 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: whether he liked it or not. And you know, unlike me, 354 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: John couldn't just sever that relationship. But look, here's my 355 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: point in all this rambling. Okay, John made and unmade 356 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: these relationships with people, and I'm not entirely convinced that 357 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: they didn't get him killed. You dig, you piss off 358 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: a guy like Maurice Levy, who knows what he'll do 359 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: to you tomorrow, the next day, the next year. You 360 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: piss off the United States government. You piss off a 361 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: protective father like Tony Cox. I for one, never saw 362 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: John in person again after that whole Oldies, But Moldi's mess. 363 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: Who knows what would have happened had our paths crossed? 364 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: What do you think I would have said? What do 365 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: you think I would have done? In the summer of 366 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: ninety three, Americans binged on nostalgia at their local movie 367 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: theater American Graffiti, George Lucas's movie about high school graduates 368 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: tooling around in their cars on the last night of 369 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: summer vacation in Modesto, California, was a sleeper hit. The 370 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: movie represented a more innocent time in America's history, before 371 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: President Kennedy was assassinated, before Vietnam, before whatever it was 372 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: that was happening in the Watergate Hotel. Audiences left the 373 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: movie feeling better than they had felt when they walked in, 374 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: and most kept right on walking to their local record store, 375 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: where they bought a copy of the movie soundtrack. The 376 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: Double LP soundtrack was chock full of forty one hits 377 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: from rock and rolls golden era in the late nineteen 378 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: fifties and early sixties, from heavy hitters like Buddy Holly, 379 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: Dell Shannon, and the Platters. Even though the songs represented 380 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: an era that was little over a decade in the 381 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: rear view, the wistfulness to be transported back in time 382 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: was palpable. The soundtrack peaked at number ten on the 383 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: Billboard chart. It went on to sell three million copies. 384 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: Less than two years later, in January of nine, Audiences 385 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: continued to crave nostalgia for sock Hops and Wolfman Jack 386 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: in Happy Days served it up every Tuesday night on ABC. 387 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: It was perhaps during an original episode of Happy Days 388 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night that viewers would have seen an 389 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: ad for John Lennon's new album. It was news to 390 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: everyone who saw the ad for the first time. A 391 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: new album by an ex Beatle was an event, after all, 392 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: but it was also news to the man on the 393 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: album cover, John Lennon, knew nothing about it. John's jaw 394 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: hit the floor when he saw the ad for the 395 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: first time. True, he was planning to release a new 396 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: album called rock and Roll, the longest dating collection of 397 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: classic covers that he had begun and aborted with Phil Spector. 398 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: It was finally due to be released in April, but 399 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: it was January and this album he was seeing on 400 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: the TV screen wasn't his album at all, But what 401 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: the hell is this? The album's cover was nauseating bright 402 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: yellow and featured a photo of John's face that was 403 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: at least six years old. The album was titled Roots. 404 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: John Lennon Sings the Great rock and Roll Hits, and 405 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: to add insult to injury, the voiceover pitch was cheesy schlock, 406 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: promising listeners that nauseating, bright yellow cover, cheesy schlock voiceover 407 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: pitch fifteen great hits on one record album for only 408 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: four dollars and cents. It was obvious to John that 409 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: this was the work of Maurice Levy. John remembered that 410 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: he had sent rough mixes of the songs he had 411 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: been working on for the rock and Roll album to 412 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Levy to prove that he was actually making progress and 413 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: wasn't continuing to jerk Levy around. What had become increasingly 414 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: obvious to John was that Maurice Levy had taken those 415 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: rough mixes and decided to go ahead and release them 416 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: as his own album on his budget label, Adam eight. 417 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: John got pissed at Levy. Levy was still pissed at John. 418 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: Levy sued John for defaulting on the original judgment to 419 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: deliver him the rock and Roll record on time. John 420 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: Connor sued for releasing unfinished mixes under his name without 421 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: his approval. John was ordered to pay Levy almost seven 422 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in damages, but Levy suffered more. He was 423 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: ordered to pay on close to a hundred and fifty 424 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and, more importantly to John, the budget compilation 425 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: album rushed out on Levy's Adam eight label was yanked 426 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: from stores. John Lennon was concerned about more than lawsuits. However, 427 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: He was worried that both the Rock and Roll and 428 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: Roots records were merely riding the coattails of the ongoing 429 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: nostalgia wave. That he was no longer a trailblazer, he 430 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: was merely a trend follower. He worried his relevance would 431 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: fade away, just like the relevance of Phil Specter, the 432 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: man who had attempted to make the rock and roll 433 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: record with him. His relevance was fading and was replaced 434 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 1: by rumors in crazy stories full of drugs, firearms, and 435 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: routine insanity. John Lennon had his own rumors that were 436 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: following him around, and they all came from the same place, 437 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. In Los Angeles, in self imposed exile away 438 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: from his wife Yoko Ono, John was assisted by other 439 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: musicians and so called friends who aided in the obliteration 440 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: of whatever made of his beetle image. In Los Angeles, 441 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: he was no longer John Lennon. He was Dr Winston 442 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: Oh Boogie who loved rock and roll, but who loved 443 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: chaos and debauchery even more. He hung out with other 444 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: co conspirators who were working on setting their own images ablaze, 445 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: guys with names like Baron von Moon in a hard 446 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: drinking celebrity bar crawl collective called the Hollywood Vampires. He 447 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: had since returned to New York City and reconciled with Yoko, 448 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: but the truth about what had happened in l A 449 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: wasn't going away anytime soon. John wanted to get back, 450 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: not exactly to where he once belonged, but to a place, 451 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: maybe a state of mind, when things weren't so complicated, 452 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: back to a time before it was so much Blood 453 00:28:46,920 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: on the Tracks. 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