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Speaker 1: what what we're gonna do. We're gonna really, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: milk out the introduction. Tell what is an epidemiologist? I

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Speaker 1: mean I kind of I mostly kind of know, but

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Speaker 1: just but tell everybody. I'll tell you honest, Okay, the

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Speaker 1: word doesn't have anything to do with the illness. Epi

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Speaker 1: means around the most means people. Anology is to study

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Speaker 1: of it. Somehow we've put disease is onto that, but

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Speaker 1: it goes back to Aristotle, actually Hippocrates. In the old days,

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Speaker 1: anything that was visited upon a population from outside, such

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Speaker 1: Words are visited from the outside. I'm sure they were.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't have warts yesterday. Now today everybody's

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Speaker 1: So diseases have taken over epidemiology, but the original word

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Speaker 1: did had nothing to with diseases because they didn't know

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Speaker 1: about them. They had some spectacular ideas about where diseases

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Speaker 1: came from. But the miasma was actually started by Hippocrates

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Speaker 1: in a sort of a pretty reasonable way. Before that,

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Speaker 1: it was the stars, demons, gods who were displeased with

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Speaker 1: the evils of mankind, all kinds of devils and so on,

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Speaker 1: causing disease. Indeed, But then Hippocrites came along and said,

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Speaker 1: if you're living in a swampy area, you look at

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Speaker 1: those people and again in more chance of having fevers

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Speaker 1: and the people who live on a nice clear mountaintop.

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Speaker 1: He was right, but it wasn't the smell and the

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Speaker 1: had miasma lasting until really the mid eighteen hundreds, until

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Speaker 1: like Pasteur and Carr came along and found bacteria for

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Speaker 1: the first time. So it's my it's myasthma, not miasma.

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Speaker 1: You can pronounce it anyway you like. But that concept

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Speaker 1: And of course we get bad are with malaria in

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Speaker 1: Isn't it wild that they were just getting like wiped

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Speaker 1: out by malaria, not making the connection between that mosquitoes

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Speaker 1: didn't know why. So they made the right solutions, but

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Speaker 1: for the wrong reason. What tell me what, where? Where?

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Speaker 1: So you're not a bidemiologist, he tell us what it means?

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Speaker 1: Where where do you practice? What is your what is

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Speaker 1: your career? Virtually anyway, especially is food born diseases. But

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Speaker 1: my colleagues are sometimes clinical epidemiologists, and they help physicians

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Speaker 1: epidemiologists who are really trying to study diseases in the workplace,

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Speaker 1: because remember, workers exposed to ten hundred times more problems

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Speaker 1: Why why is that? Because they're they're they're they're exposed

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Speaker 1: infect something called cancer human papuloma virus, which you know,

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Speaker 1: funny logic where there's a thing like you can get um,

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Speaker 1: It's a virus. The virus spread through sexual contact. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Or is it exposure to like like is it exposure

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Speaker 1: People sort of have this idea. People have this idea

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Speaker 1: else unless you give blood or unless somebody eat you. Cannibalism,

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Speaker 1: when they're cleaning squirrels out of fear of getting to aremia.

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a good way to go. They

425
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: it's the whole process is new. It's in the last

426
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: what a couple of decades of people have been interested

427
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: in doing this and so, but you need to be

428
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: look at every single one of those organisms. There's about

429
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty agents to give you foodball and disease,

430
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: and each one of them would have to be assessed

431
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: because you're right at the margin, you're right at the edge,

432
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean a minute to a minute or two too

433
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: short in time and you can have problems a degree

434
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: or to too low in temperature. You're right on the

435
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: edge of the thing. So you've got to be really

436
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: sure about the science of it. But once it's down

437
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: for all of these agents, then then people stick to it.

438
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be okay. And then maybe somewhere

439
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: in their trick and Ella will be tested for that

440
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: as well. This is kind of an obvious question. Well, no,

441
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: it's not, because I only know the answer to it.

442
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: When pick any kind of thing. That pick your favorite

443
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: food born pathogen that dies at a certain temperature, what

444
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: happens that? Like, like why does it die? What happens

445
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: to some of these things like you boil water to

446
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: sanitize water, whatever, like, like what goes on with the

447
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: organism that makes it that it can't get you sick anymore.

448
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: The main thing is protein. He's taking egg. You put

449
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: in the frying pan, it's still moving around. Heat it

450
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: up to it about a hundred and forty three f

451
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: whether the temperature is I'm converting from celsius to ferrenheit,

452
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: and suddenly the protein coagulates, becomes white, protein becomes a solid,

453
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: doesn't function as a protein. You can all kinds of

454
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: protein chains act separating and connecting. Again, there was proteins

455
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: useless and we're all made a protein. So mainly it's

456
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: the heat that's disabling the protein every single time, and

457
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: that whatever the protein is, you're trying to disabled it

458
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: temporarily slightly different for each one. This is why mad

459
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: how disease was a mystery, because we found out that's

460
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: a protein. It's a pure protein, it's not even a

461
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: virus or anything. But but we find that you can

462
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: heat that to two temperatures that no other protein on

463
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: the planet would survive. And yet this thing does heard about.

464
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: I heard about some politician it was said, and it

465
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: was a private meeting on one name who said it.

466
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: But he had said, you talk about c w D

467
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: wasn't an issue because we'll just everybody had to cook

468
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: their dear meat more. And some guys like you got

469
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: to cook your dear meat the four thousand degrees you

470
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: gotta ash it. That's what. In fact, we've got examples

471
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: of of probes used by a brain surgeon just to

472
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: explore your brain. And for somebody who was suffering from

473
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: early stages of courts for Yakupt disease, the human c

474
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: g D and that's all had happened is probe stainless

475
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: steel probe just went into the brain and then they

476
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: sewed him back up and he's fine. The probe was

477
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: was went through hospital sterilization three separate times. You know

478
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: that's a fifteen pounds pressure. That's a hundred twenty one

479
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: See that's two hundred and fifty f right for fifteen minutes.

480
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: It'll kill off everything on the planet. This was still

481
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: infective after three of those cycles. Animals you could give

482
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: the c you know that can mac out disease to

483
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: hamsters three times, So you can't destroy this thing. Uh, Sam,

484
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: are very own special? Sam Longering, explain, how are you

485
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: leaving chickenhalysis? Yeah, I have I can't leave chuck have that. Man.

486
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to move through a lot of sicknesses.

487
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: But I want to we we got it in twenty thirteen,

488
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: I believe. So now I have billions of cysts and

489
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: some of my major muscle groups. What's uh, After a while,

490
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: if nobody eats you, right, they tend to calcify, they

491
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: tend to become non viable. So even if somebody would

492
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: take a lump out of your your your calf muscles,

493
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: they wouldn't suffer from it. At what point by now?

494
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: I think it varies quite a bit. There's been some

495
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: work downe in animals because you can't really experiment on

496
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: humans too much. It worked on animals, and I think

497
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: it begins to a year or two and they're pretty

498
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: much sure it's gone. Oh that's it. Yeah, man, it's

499
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: just I've been thinking to myself as trick. Pause. But

500
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: you may get exceptions to the rule in nature. Don't

501
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: underestimate modern nature. That was exceptions that somebody's going to

502
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: keep them alive longer. You know what passes along to

503
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: your colleagues. Um, we know our infection date, Like we

504
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: can tell you the day, like the day we got

505
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: that we ingested the meat, and when did you first

506
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: have the symptoms? A month later, a month later, we

507
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: can tell you the day. We we have to dig around,

508
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: we could get you to the day. We can tell

509
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: you the day we ingested the meat. We could tell

510
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: you the day that we had the onset of symptoms.

511
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: And the first symptoms were not like the lot of

512
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: symptoms were they know we have. We didn't have first symptoms.

513
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: You know, it evolved. I first started thinking that. I

514
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: first started feeling like I had like uh, just like

515
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: just but everything happened at the month into it. A

516
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: month into it, no, nothing happened, and four of us

517
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: got sick. Nothing happened to any of us until a

518
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: month later, and then we like simultaneously had There was

519
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: some common themes, some variants from person to person, but

520
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: some strong common themes of muscle fatigue, and then we

521
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: all got we all got better pretty quick, and then

522
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: we know, like so we were like a CDC reported case.

523
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: They had the meat point being if you were talking

524
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: to any colleagues and they want to do a biopsy, um,

525
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: app would love to do it. If someone wanted to

526
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: check where they got a known infection date and they

527
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: wanted to see what's going on inside my calves or whatever,

528
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: I would love to do a biopsy. I'd give them

529
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: a chunk of myself too. Yeah, me and Yanny. Well

530
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: the need is say about the point one of Grahams

531
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: would love to do it. If you ever run into

532
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: if you're ever at a conference and run into someone

533
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: who's interesting, trick, well, the only you after about half

534
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: a month to three weeks, you get gas intestinal upset. Yeah,

535
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: and then it goes away a little bit. And then

536
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: once the little larva begin to spread throughout the system,

537
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: that's about a month. And then you begin a month

538
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: or two and you begin to get the muscle aches

539
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: and pains, joint pains and so on. Yeah, but you

540
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: could just get like the gastro intestinal upset. You know,

541
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: that just happens for a thousand reasons, right, So that

542
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: might you might not didn't even know that. Yeah, we

543
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: all might even had didn't pay attention to it, like

544
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: you get like, you know whatever, you have a bad day,

545
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: and um, but it wasn't the thing that really a

546
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: month later is when we really started texting me to

547
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: take your blood as well. I do a blood test.

548
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: They're looking for prology, look for antigen to this particular

549
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: parasite and also for what they call EA cinephilia. And

550
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: I was looking for a certain kind of white blood

551
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: cell that when you have a parasite, it's suddenly they're

552
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: in vast numbers. It's not normally they're in vast numbers.

553
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: Parasites trigger the cinephiles in your blood. There's a lot

554
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: of blood work can be done as well as biopsies

555
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: in order to tell that something's going on. Okay, go

556
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: on more. No, that's that's what I'm happy. What I

557
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: wanted to hear. Okay, Sam, explain the work you were

558
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: doing that led us to get to talking about our

559
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: guests too. Yeah, I was. Um. Guy used to work

560
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: for Lantania back Country Hunters and Anglers taught me a

561
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: trick where we're out fishing and you catch a trout

562
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: is kind of a a trick. It's not really a trick. Um.

563
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nice. Um, No, we're just out fishing. You

564
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: catch a trout and chop it up and put in

565
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of lime juice and holpenos and parsley and

566
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: eat it with chips afterwards, and just it is vicha. Um,

567
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: that's that's what we call it. But everybody freaks out

568
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: every time you talk about that. And then you wrote

569
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: an article about it. Yeah, well I wrote an article

570
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: about it several years ago. We we published a recipe

571
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: for it in that country journal when I was there,

572
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: and we got that. We got a lot of letters saying, oh,

573
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: you shouldn't tell people to do that. It's so dangerous.

574
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: Fresh we can't eat freshwater fish raw like across the board.

575
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: You can't eat freshwater fish raw, and so and we

576
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: did it again this spring. I posted some pictures of

577
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: it and people freaked out again, and so I was like, Okay,

578
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look into this because you're not dead. I'm

579
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: surprised I'm not dead too, especially with what you read online.

580
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a there was one article from

581
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: Vice News that the headline was like, eating freshwater fish

582
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: will kill you. Dude, that's go for all my news

583
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: about food, all my wild game information. It's bullet bulletproof, bulletproof,

584
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: and they're not trying to scare you at all. Um.

585
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: So I started looking into it, and the surface level

586
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: review of it corroborated what everyone had said that pretty

587
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: much anywhere you look, people are gonna say freshwater fish

588
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: is not okay to eat raw. But I kept digging

589
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: and kept digging and kept digging and found Tim. One

590
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: of Tim's responses on this website Cora about about freshwater fish,

591
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: and he said almost the opposite thing, that there are

592
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: much more problems with marine fish than there are with

593
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: freshwater fish. And uh so I reached out through a

594
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: number of different mechanisms. Is he not good about getting

595
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: back to people? No, he was, I was just on deadline,

596
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: yelled at him right now, no, no, And and then

597
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: we had a great conversation with about that, and he

598
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: and and someone as esteemed in his professions him told

599
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: me the exact opposite thing from whatever everybody told me

600
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: what I was reading online, and made me feel really

601
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: good about eating freshwater fish raw and really sketched out

602
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: about sushi. And and then I told I told you

603
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: that this guy's a knows a lot about food born illnesses.

604
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: And we talked about trichinosis and tulimia and a bunch

605
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: of things, and I thought he'd be a great podcast guest. Yeah,

606
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: so I wanna we can take turns. I want to

607
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: ask about specific things that like that I hear about

608
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: fish okay uh In southeast Alaska, it's commonly held is

609
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: a commonly held belief. Go ahead and eat anything, any

610
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: of the fish raw, but one dacent eat a raw salmon,

611
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: the worst being a raw king salmon, because you'll get

612
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: worms and be all sick you're buying that. And that

613
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: the halibut worms don't worry about the worms that proliferate

614
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: in halibit, which I when my wife asked what they

615
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: are I say, that's just part of the halib it.

616
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: When I was working up there, man, the dover soul,

617
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: the and flounder would be bumpy with those worms. Yeah,

618
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: it's okay. Let's let's look at marine worms first. Get

619
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: them out of the way. Um. There are many nematodes

620
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: a little roundworms, sometimes some bigger than others, that affect

621
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: marine fish. Some sometimes people call him a cod worm,

622
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: and they belong to the genus like cedar terra nova

623
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: and the sakis for kanema. These are the worms, and

624
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: we've all eaten them by the hundreds, not even knowing it,

625
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: because normally the fish we buy in the soupmarkets frozen

626
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: or we've cooked it. But they only occur in marine fish.

627
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: They go through a cycle. It varies a little bit.

628
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: They go through the sort of seals and then back

629
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: into fish and then they're like the adults on the

630
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: lava adult and the lava. Uh. If we eat raw

631
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: marine fish, there is a chance. It's not very common,

632
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: but it is a chance that you can ingest one

633
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: of these worms. Let's all. An anisaki is one of

634
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: the common. One forms a little coil up a little

635
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: bit bigger than your trigonosis coil, and if it's raw,

636
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: you can eat it and it will come out of

637
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: this little cyst. It'll wonder what the hell is going on.

638
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: It'll start to penetrate through the wall of your intestine.

639
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: It'll wander around your guts for a while and then die.

640
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: In other words, we cannot be the the definitive host

641
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: for that. It's looking for a seal and we're not

642
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: a seal, so it will die en route. It can

643
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: do a little bits of damage, It can cause a

644
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: little bits of pain. It can even in the rare cases,

645
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: set up a peritonitis and inflammation of the gut or

646
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: even appendicitis for example, just because it's it's poking its

647
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: way into the wrong area. But it will die. It

648
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: it's called a visceral lava migrants a VLM by that

649
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: by that stage, so you're not gonna all of a

650
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: sudden like puke up a bunch of these things. It's

651
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: happened in Nova Scotia and Northern Canada. A bunch of

652
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: people had a fire at the beach. They gather, they gather,

653
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: the eat raw, and they have a a lot of fish

654
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: they eat raw. And then after they went to the tent.

655
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: One of the women's coughing and upcomes these worms, a

656
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: little worms little but at that time they uncold themselves.

657
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: They're about a sentiment which they but they hadn't reproduced

658
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: in her. No, no, no, they can't. Just ingest they can't.

659
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: And is that because it's because their ultimate host is

660
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: is like a saltwater biomes, it's a it's a marine mammals.

661
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: The yeah, so that so, but we have our our

662
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: system is more fresh water, and they can't. I was

663
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: just no, just it's it's very particular proteins that these

664
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: parasites want, and we don't have the seals protein. Looking

665
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: at the whales and seals and walls, different different marine

666
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: mammals with different species of worm. But that's what they're

667
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: looking for between the fish on the mammal. Where an

668
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: incidental host a dead end host. Now how long? How long? Uh?

669
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: You can just weave this into whatever you're gonna go

670
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: into next. But you say, like he roams around and dies,

671
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: how long are we talking about? Like, let's they eat

672
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: a piece of raw salmon and get a worm. Oh

673
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: amount of days? Because hope, But here's the thing in

674
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: the outside of Japan. If you like sushi and I do,

675
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: all meat has been frozen. It's a kind of an

676
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: agreed way to deal with meat, especially if you live

677
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: a Toronto is a thousand miles from the ocean. Here,

678
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: you're a long way from the ocean. So if you're

679
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna get really fresh fish, you want it frozen on

680
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: the fishing boat and then only thought out when it's

681
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: in your sushi chef's hands, that's really fresh stuff. And

682
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: that that doesn't mean it keeps fresh. It also means

683
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: it's it's killed off the worm because those worms are

684
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: killed off by freezing. And that's useful for a lot

685
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: of people, but us and and many people have our

686
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: in our audience like to get those fish ourselves. And

687
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: one thing I came across in this research is that

688
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: the freezing level required to kill many of these parasites

689
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: is much lower than you can attain than your household

690
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: freezing exactly. That'll be the case for tricking out for sure,

691
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: But most of these other worms are fairly easily killed

692
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: off by really, but some species of fish are vastly

693
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: more wormy than others, And there are other worms. I

694
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: didn't mention the much longer ones. To example, yellowtailed tuna

695
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: has got some rather large worms in there. You can

696
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: have you can see the very macroscopy and they can

697
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: they can mess you up. No, they know they they're

698
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: gonna because a dead ending you. But they are a

699
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: bit objectionable to see this sort of wriggling thing like

700
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of spaghetti, you know, in the role

701
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: of sushi. That But this is why most of the

702
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: fish outside of Japan is frozen before it reaches I read.

703
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I read in Japan that's something like a quarter of

704
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: the cases of appendicitis are are actually mistaken cases of

705
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: the antisokis infection. Yeah, so people go to the hospital

706
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, we gotta get your appendix out

707
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: and then oh no, you just have gut full of worms,

708
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: sushi worms. So what sometimes what the what the surgeon

709
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: sometimes does and find out it wasn't the appendix. They'll

710
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: whip out the appendix anyway they got the person to

711
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: open and it made it will stop the future, It doesn't,

712
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't know. Always happened like that. What happened now

713
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: that's marine Paris. Well I'm not I'm not ready to

714
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: move on yet. Okay, uh, if you had to rate,

715
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: how me and Yanni here, uh been eating a fair

716
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: bit of we're eating a fair bit of raw yellowtail,

717
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: not yellow fin, but yellowtail, which is a jack. Okay,

718
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: have never like right out of damn water, never frozen?

719
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: Would you if you were hanging out with us? This

720
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: is a seafish ocean fish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, ocean

721
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: fish fish. So there you are, you're hanging out with us.

722
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my gosh, what are we caught? And

723
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: we uh cut it up? Would you where would you

724
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: fall on that? Would you be like, no way, bro?

725
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Or would you say the risk is so small, I

726
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: will enjoy it with you? I think enjoyed with you? Okay,

727
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: So we're not like stupid for having No I've eaten that.

728
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: I've been to Taiwa, I don't I've had when they

729
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: bring in the giant tuna and it's a ceremony. The

730
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: chief chef there slices it and everybody's looking in the

731
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: newspapers and television is there this this is worth ten dollars,

732
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: is giant tuna and it's it's wonderful fish. So you're

733
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: not because we can you know everything you know and

734
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: you would still eat Yeah, because that parasite can't do

735
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: any real damage to us. Really not really, you can't

736
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: it wander around you a little bit and see. Especially

737
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: there's some fish like hake about or merlosa sometimes called,

738
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: or some monk fish for example. These are the really

739
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: tasty fish or even some of the flatfish too, like

740
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned Doba sal and and these fish are sometimes

741
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: very worryy. But cook them and they're fine. But if

742
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: you don't cook them, it's not the end of the world.

743
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: That's good to all. Yeah. Fresh water fish, freshwater fish, Okay,

744
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: in this country, in this country, the only real freshwater

745
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: fish are gonna worry about is is a tapeworm? Back up,

746
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: because you're Canadian, I'm sorry, North America as opposed to

747
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: Southeast Asia. All right, we're going to North America, North America.

748
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: It's a little worm. It's called the long name Developotherium latom.

749
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: It's almost like it will grow up to about ten

750
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: ms or ten yards long, almost the whole length of

751
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: your intestine. Yeah. I put put put a story in

752
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: the in my article about this about a guy who

753
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: pulled five ft of of one out of his own. Yeah,

754
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: this's is freshwater fish. And you know where there were

755
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: a lot of been written on in the Jewish housewives

756
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: would make a thing called the filter fish fish fish balls,

757
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: a sort of studio wish white fish exactly, and what

758
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: she would do before she boiled him in the in

759
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: the in the liquid, she would taste it to make

760
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: sure it's enough salt on it, either too much or

761
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: an off salt adamant. But she would taste the raw fish.

762
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: She was the one in the family who got this tapeworm,

763
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: and the rest of the found he didn't because they

764
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: added after these things were boiled and the fish stars

765
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: fish to so um. This particular worm, though, is a

766
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: bit objectionable, and people say, you know, ten metal, ten

767
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: yards long worm, it's not going to cause much of

768
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 1: a problem. You might have one and you see inside

769
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: you now and not even know it. If you're well fed,

770
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 1: you've got enough food to feed you, and a couple

771
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: of these work so it can eat. So that worm

772
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: can live for a while. I can live for a

773
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: long time. But he can't reproduce. Yeah, it can reproduce you.

774
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: You as you defecate, you're going to leave little what

775
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: they called plots, a little tiny, little tiny bits of

776
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: ribbony tape come out with your feces, and if that

777
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: gets in this this particular case, gets into the water course,

778
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: then there's an intermediate usually a mollusk of small snails

779
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: creature is the intermediate host, and the fish eats that

780
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: thing and it gets the I'm confused now because this

781
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: big as the ten ten worm. Yeah you get it

782
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: from what what fish? Can you get it from? Freshwater fish?

783
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: But this thing doesn't exist in salt water? Well it

784
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: does if the fish lives in both waters, so salmon,

785
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: salmon and char. So why are you saying, Okay, if that,

786
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: if this one can get in and it can live

787
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: in you and it can reproduce, But it's not it's

788
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: not really producing in you. It's it's it's it's fertilizing

789
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: another one of the same species, and you're excreting out

790
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: the bit. So you can't get it reproducing within you

791
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: as a as an isolated unit. Is he But there's

792
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: no detrimental effect from this thing, not really. If you

793
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: are really malnourished, you know, it'd be difficult to keep

794
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: a couple of these worms a going. Tape worms are

795
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: not really dangerous. I mean they yeah, that's good enough. Huh. Yeah,

796
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: So we got one of these likely, but yeah, salmon

797
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: is one and we have had we had a we

798
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: had a conference of businessmen. I think they were in

799
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: northern British Columbia and if part of their conference they

800
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: wanted to taste because all over the world they wanted

801
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: to taste British Columbia fresh salmon. It was smoked in

802
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: not in the Northwest Pacific style, you know, which is

803
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: where you're hot smoking. This is the traditional cold smoking.

804
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: And I think four or five of these businessmen came

805
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: down with both the marine worms and the tape worm.

806
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 1: It's about the only fish that will happen to came

807
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: came down in what way? How did they know? Uh,

808
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: they had a syrology that showed that they had been

809
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: attacked by these little uh marine worms. But they weren't

810
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: sick and didn't die. No, there's some pains. But they

811
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: did have a tapeworm and that showed up as well,

812
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: and eventually if the stall samples showed that it was

813
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: there as well. But it's a very unusual case where

814
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: you get both cans of parasite. And the only official

815
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: work with is Arctic child, which is a member of

816
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: the salmon family, or any salmons and it was a

817
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: little well, but we haven't seen examples of that yet.

818
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: We think eel would work. Just row several weeks ago

819
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: when I was in Iceland, Yeah, eel. Uh. Quick little

820
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: lesson in my favorite word is catagronusts. Yeah, yeah, like

821
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: every nose a nadrumous fish which live in the ocean

822
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: and spawn in the rivers. But eels live in the

823
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: rivers and spawn in the ocean. Uh. We had a

824
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: little scared at my house recently where also everybody's all

825
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: excited because one of my kids had defecated out a

826
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: bunch of real thin tape worms. So I went out

827
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: to investigate, should be tapeworms? No what you know, what

828
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: he was eating? We had put Uh, We made summer

829
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: sausage and put into college and casing, and I sliced

830
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: a bunch for him, and I didn't realize that he

831
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: didn't know to take He didn't know to take the

832
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: casing off. But it's cutting these disks and he's eating

833
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: these things all day long, and he don't know how

834
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: many chunks of college and sausage casing which he then

835
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: passes out. You look in the bowl, it looks like

836
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, what I looked at him, and I kept

837
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: looking him like what And I went and got a

838
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: pair of latex gloves and I pulled them out, all

839
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: these rings of college and sausage. But what you will get.

840
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: And I've had them people calling up and saying that

841
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: quickly come over looking the toilet, and there's somebody had

842
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: been on the toilet. And there on the toilet there's

843
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of moving worms, you know, spaghetti kind of worms,

844
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: and they're all they're all round worms. And then the

845
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: summer about five inches long and summer about seven inches long,

846
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: real worms worms And these are a scarus lumber codes.

847
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: These are the round worm called the scarg Well the

848
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: kids get playing in sandboxes, well that's one way of

849
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: doing it. And these worms will will can plug up

850
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: your intestine. Maybe they're so dense. I've taken a pig

851
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: intestine and when they used to being inspect on the slaughterhouse,

852
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: slice through the intestine and you can no food could

853
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: really get through it because you've just cut through about

854
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: twenty seven little worms at the same time, just to

855
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: have to detest it. No kids for these people in

856
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: a really bad way. I mean, they're not digesting any food.

857
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: And they're all bloated and adematists and so on. You

858
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: how do they get that? They get that through eating

859
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: on the food, the the cystic eggs of this particular

860
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: worm um. There was a village in Scotland going back

861
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: to about nineteen thirty I think it was isolated, little

862
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: village and the physician I think retired to some reason,

863
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: and the new physician came along. And the first morning

864
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: in the waiting room, the first patient came in and

865
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: he said, how are you today? And a woman said, oh,

866
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: just the usual cough coughed up a few worms, just usual,

867
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: nothing much us. It turned out the whole village was

868
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: was had had a Scaris worms in them, and they

869
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: were seeding themselves. Why because they we're using night so oilage,

870
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: you know. They were collecting sewage in their houses in

871
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: buckets and putting it on the gardens and growing vegetables

872
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: and so this is then we had a couple of scientists,

873
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: I think they were German, who decided to experiment on themselves,

874
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: good scientists, and they and they they seeded some strawberries

875
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: and a strawberry patch one year with a scar As eggs,

876
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: and then every year they at about a pound or

877
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: so of strawberries, and every year for about five or

878
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: six years, both of them got the scarish worms. So

879
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: these things can live for a number of years through

880
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: frost cycles. The eggs candy because they're almost really dried

881
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: up like a spore. So these things are around, but

882
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: normally in the food that we eat, we don't have.

883
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: We know we've we found them on paper money. No kid,

884
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: a coin, just y'all that my kid two days ago

885
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: to stop, he had a five dollar billies run around

886
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: within his mouth. Don't yeah, don't tell. I was like, man,

887
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: don't put money in your mouth, and he's like why.

888
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I just understand that it's something

889
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to do. What did you do in

890
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: the States? Just have what we have in Kinada. Plastic money, yeah,

891
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: plastic money. You can put the washing different sizes though

892
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: we'd like to build burn. Yeah, you put the washing machine.

893
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: It'll still be in when you come out. Don't do

894
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: with the iron it though, Okay, good to uh Man,

895
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: good stuff. I had a thought, but I can't remember

896
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: what my thought was. I got a thought. I want

897
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: to hear about some of the some of the nastier

898
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: worms and the flukes. I was reading about a village

899
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: or community in Thailand. I believe that has an extremely

900
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: high prevalence of liver cancer due to some raw fish

901
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: preparation that involves live red ants. But there's some liver

902
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: fluke in there, regional fishes. But I'm just just talking

903
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: about Okay, they're sick for meat ants, or there's sick

904
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: for meating liver flukes, liver flukes and fish that the ants.

905
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: That's that's Tan gentle. That's what they thought. It was initially,

906
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Oh like, oh, you're all sick because you're eating to

907
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: me ants. Yeah, well there's yeah, there's a number of things.

908
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Here's what I said. Southeast Asia just while that's why

909
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: I was coming back to it. There are a number

910
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: of flukes there, including Clonorcus sinensis, the Chinese liver fluke,

911
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: which is a very one of the One of the

912
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: intermediate hosts for this is a crab. It's a marine crab.

913
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: It's called the mitten crab because the adult on its claws,

914
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: it's got algae that grows just like big hairy mittens.

915
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: Now I've eaten this crab when it's in Shanghai, and

916
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: Hong Kong. It's the sweetest crab meat you'll ever meet.

917
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: It's delicious, but you've got to cook it because it

918
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: it's carrying the the larval form of the liver fluke

919
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: which gets into your liver, into your bile ducts, and

920
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: it can cause all kinds of problems with your liver.

921
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: And because that irritation, irritation or inflammation is by definition

922
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: and early form of what do you call um like

923
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: promoters in cancer. If you do any kind of inflammation,

924
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: it can lead to a cancel that down there another will.

925
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: So this is one and the we found that fish farming,

926
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: the kind of fish farming they do in the Philippines

927
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: and Southeast Asia. Uh, there's a lot of liver flukes

928
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: coming out of that. So you've got to cook the fish.

929
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: And of course, my relatives and so on in Hong Kong,

930
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: they don't like to cook. They like the freshest possible

931
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: seafood and shrimps and lobsters. They will undercook it deliberately

932
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: because they want that fresh, just like your bear meat.

933
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: How do you how do you have relatives in Hong Kong.

934
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: My uh, third wife is from Hong Kong. You've been

935
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: married three times. Yes, you're still married to her? Now no, really,

936
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: what are real quick We'll get back to more Tom

937
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: about what do you think makes it? Uh? Why how

938
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: are you so difficult to live with? Oh? I didn't know.

939
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: It's I've already talked about worms, all the creepy, slimy things,

940
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: you know. Oh man, that's terrible, not terrible. I mean,

941
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm you're you're fine and everything. I just think about

942
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: like I would hate to have to you know, like

943
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: my buddy Ronnie Want said, it goes. I don't want

944
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: to lose half my stuff. But I have great anlows

945
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: all over the world. Now you look at the positives. Uh,

946
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: the philip we're talking about the Philippines. One of the

947
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: more this this will you'll appreciate this story as as

948
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: someone who specializes in food born pathogens. Uh. We hiked

949
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: into a village in the Philippines one time, like not

950
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: on the road system all you had to hike way

951
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: into the mountains, um in the highlands of Luzon. And

952
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: we and I slept in a house one night where

953
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: the house is built on on pilings, built on stilts,

954
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: and they had like portions of the house where like

955
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: widely spaced planks. The reason the houses on pilings, as

956
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: best I could tell, is low the house was was

957
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: a pen, and the pens where they fattened dogs and pigs,

958
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: and so all human waste and all food scrap just

959
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: would go through the floor down to the dogs and pigs,

960
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: which you then consumed. And I'm not a squeamish person.

961
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: I remember having just a feeling of like this seems

962
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: like a good place for me to get sick, hanging

963
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: out like in this, in this proximity to to sort

964
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: of like just watching like the recycling of human excrement.

965
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: The parallel to that is in some areas around the

966
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: coast of some kindries in Southeast Asia, the same thing

967
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: with the fish fish farming, where the fish is kept

968
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: in a pen right underneath the house on stilts down

969
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: there about it, I mean, the pig has got an

970
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: amazing elementary canal, and the pig eat tone waste and

971
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: the waste from other animals as well, because it's in

972
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: fact extracting the food that the original eater left behind,

973
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: and the pig can use that, and the pig puts

974
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: on weight because what's the term elementary canal? Elementary canal.

975
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: What does that mean from their mouth to the uranus.

976
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: It's your whole the whole canal. What's the word alimentary?

977
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: Not elementary l A L that. What does it mean?

978
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: It's that it's that canal itself. Is that that's not

979
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: an adjective? Oh no, no, well it's energy for canal. Yeah,

980
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: okay um, And it has an amazing one of these yeah, yeah,

981
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: very effective a pig because that's because you're saying like

982
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: something else can eat and pass and not absorb nutrients

983
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: from them, but they can eat those droppings and pick

984
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,479
Speaker 1: up his like sloppy seconds every exactly exactly. So so again,

985
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: if it's cooking done, probably and people aren't eating rolla

986
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: polk in China are not now it's sometimes you get

987
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: a lot of raw meats in the Cambodia and Vietnam,

988
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: but China they cook even lettuce. They cook cook lettuce.

989
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: And this is why it's pretty by the safest food

990
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: to eat. He's probably done Chinese food. It's all cooked. Yeah,

991
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: And this is the really the lesson with our hunting fraternity.

992
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: Either boil it or bake it, or stop something biting

993
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: you and wash your hands, just like Grandy told us

994
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: only you know the wisdom is there. Do that you

995
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: won't get ricken nosis or any of these table worms either.

996
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: You know what else happened in the same Philippine village

997
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: that I thought was was a cool system and it

998
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: didn't make me feel like I was gonna get sick,

999
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: is that they would they had terraces there in the

1000
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: very steep mountains, and they had terraced rice patties that

1001
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: they've built over thousands of years, and um their rotational

1002
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: system would be that they so rice and farm rice,

1003
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: and then when one of the patties came out of

1004
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: out of a rice harvest, they would do a lot

1005
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: be a they would do fish in it flooded and

1006
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: do fish in it as like a regenerative practice. Harvest

1007
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: the fish drained the thing out, and then do a

1008
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: rice crop in there. Yeah, to to fertilize though. And

1009
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: they're also feeding the fish as well. They've got to

1010
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: feed the fish. And because the fish droppings accumulate that

1011
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: and the remains of the food, that's the newton the

1012
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: nitrogen for the next couple of just a wonderful cexical thing.

1013
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean this is it should delightfuly organic farmers. In

1014
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: this part of the world, they don't call it organic.

1015
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: In that part of the world, it's called farming. Yeah,

1016
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: we've often said organic from it's really the rich people

1017
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: showing off what they can do. It's nothing to do

1018
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: with the reality. Yeah, for sure, let's do toxic plasmosis

1019
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: because our body, you know, he's supposed to be dropping

1020
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: by today. M hm. One of our bodies wives and

1021
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: I think she was pregnant toxo plasmosis. Really, stay away

1022
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: from cats, in she should stay away from cats. But

1023
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: but you give us but you can get of meat

1024
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: and game meat, right, talk about this is the one

1025
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: of these ones. I don't even know. I don't understand

1026
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: what the hell it is. Okay, this is now we're

1027
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: leaving bacteria behind. Now we're into the area of a parasite.

1028
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: Parasite Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Toxoplasma gandhia I. It's not

1029
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: named after gandhi different and the double ie um. Do

1030
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: you remember when Dr Christian Barnard do you may remember

1031
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: you're too young, if you're old at me, you remember

1032
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: he was the first guy did the heart transplant in

1033
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: South Africa, no no recollection, and he was on the

1034
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: he was the first guy to perform one or home one.

1035
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: And so he was doing the study tour thin he

1036
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: was in the Harvard I think it was, and one

1037
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: of the New England medical schools, and all the medical

1038
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: students were there wanted to hear Dr Barnard talk about

1039
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: this first time evert howart transplant. The break came. They

1040
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: rushed across the road there you remember roughly what year

1041
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: that would have been, probably about nineteen seventy two or

1042
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,479
Speaker 1: something like that, and they rushed across roads of little

1043
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: hamburger guy and they swamm sixty seven. Okay, I'm a

1044
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: few years later, and he couldn't keep up the hamburgers,

1045
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: and they kicked a quick, quick, gotta get back. So

1046
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: he was half hamburg I got lost. Everybody who's eating burgers,

1047
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: this medical student so coming to this lecture. They swarmed

1048
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: across the road to the hamburger seller who was quickly

1049
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: half cooking them and giving them to then go back

1050
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: in got a mad rush. It turned out that some

1051
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: four or five or six of these people developed a

1052
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: toxoplasma toxoplasmosis from the raw hamburger. It doesn't usually happen

1053
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: with beef. It's usually other animals, but you know, and

1054
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: sometimes your hamburger isn't hamburgers. Other meats as well mixed in.

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00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: So that for a while became known as Bona syndrome,

1056
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: where the medical students developed something from meeting hamburg like

1057
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: back to your original question, named after the guy that

1058
00:59:51,960 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: performed the first heart surgery. Come on, man, come on, syndrome.

1059
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: This little parasite is. They've really recently rewritten some of

1060
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: the medical books because of this. What happened in British

1061
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: Columbia in Victoria. Let me back up a little bit.

1062
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: The main reservoir for this organism is cats, all of

1063
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: the Feeley day for a while, I know I didn't

1064
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: like cats. Well, no, like im or not, it doesn't matter.

1065
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: They carry this thing around with them and they defecate.

1066
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: And if it's if it's for example, if it's taken

1067
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: in for a human body, it doesn't normally cause anything

1068
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: too nasty. But if you're pregnant and you in the

1069
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: early stages of pregnancy, this thing can mess up your

1070
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: your barrier and it can end up with some pretty

1071
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: nasty deformitism and unfortunate things for the infant. So women

1072
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: should keep away from that. We had an outbreak in Victoria.

1073
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, they beautiful capital city in Vancouver Island and

1074
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: a lot of time there. And these were outbreak of

1075
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: toxoplasmas is among people who had never had raw meat,

1076
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: never at game meat, never kept cats. Where the hell

1077
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: were they getting it from? Lunch? Story short, it was

1078
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: to boil down to the water. And the water was

1079
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: in a reservoir above the city in the highland, and

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01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: they traced it back and the cougars, wildcats and mountain

1081
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: mountain catamounts, what do you call it in Canada, COmON cougars.

1082
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: They had toxic lazar. They were defecating around the beach

1083
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: area of the reservoir. These little things we're entering the

1084
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: water now. Victoria filters and chlorinates it water like every

1085
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: good city does. But the filtering may have let some

1086
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: of these through and the chlorine was not enough. This

1087
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: is the big thing about these things. Normal chlorine will

1088
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: kill bacteria. It won't kill these parasites. You need to

1089
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: trouble the amount of chlorine in the water that was

1090
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: getting it to now. Now, if you look in the

1091
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: Cumulical Diseases book, it said it can't be transmit to water.

1092
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: That is being contaminated by cats feces. That's really interesting.

1093
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: So the main way of getting it isn't eating dear meat.

1094
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: It can be, it can be eating very often it's

1095
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: domestic meat, but dear meat people tax plasmos is from

1096
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: domestic meat. Oh yeah, cows, the sheep, mutton, sometimes pork, deer, moose. Yep, yep.

1097
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: Does that diet a certain temperature, Oh yeah, you can

1098
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: kill obviously, it doesn't spore forms forms spores, and well

1099
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: let me talking about it now. It doesn't form spores.

1100
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: You can't kill. A normal cooking temperature will do that again.

1101
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: About a hundred and sixty again for phara yep, absolutely,

1102
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: because it's the d natures of protein. But best not

1103
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: to tangle it. But if we got pregnant with women around,

1104
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: what does uh that that should tell the interesting story

1105
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: about this too. This parasite is one of those that's

1106
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: in the study been studied um to see how it

1107
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: affects the victim he may have come across. It's it's

1108
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: almost science fiction where where mice are affected with Toxoplasma gandhi,

1109
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: they behave in a reckless way. They come out and

1110
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: they's almost like pulling faces at the cats if you

1111
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: are paint a silly picture. In other words, can you

1112
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: see the logic here? They're almost asking to be eaten

1113
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: and to regenerate their their cycle. Again, we've seen this

1114
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,479
Speaker 1: in I think we've seen this in some fungus which

1115
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: we don't get North America. Claviceps would be one of

1116
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: those great grows in in China. In the Mountaineers Nepal,

1117
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: it's the fungus inoculates a lava a worm. The worm

1118
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: then does something strange. It does it cloked, It climbs

1119
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: up on a blade of grass, dies, and then the

1120
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: fungus consumes the worm and forms little boring bodies. That

1121
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: forms the sport. In other words, it yeah, it drives

1122
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: it up to a good place for dispersal. So mother

1123
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: nature is he never underestimate the power of mother nature.

1124
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: So like like Kama Kaze mice, Oh, here we go,

1125
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: that's not probably out of the right way. I started

1126
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: to write a story actually about disaffecting humans. It's like

1127
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: a fictitious story, but never got beyond the first chapter yet.

1128
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: But I may dig it up. A lot of stories

1129
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: go like that. You think you've got something good, something

1130
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: you don't really feel like you're gonna stay with it.

1131
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: Uh you guys, good on that one. Toxic plasmosis rabies.

1132
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: Do you have rabies here? I'm sure you do me.

1133
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: I mean in Montana, no doubt. I mean, are there

1134
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: places that don't have rabies? Some places more than others.

1135
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: We Ontario we have some of the highest density of

1136
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: rabies anywhere because we were surrounded by lakes and rivers

1137
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: and three two sides of triangle, so we'll need wildlife

1138
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: are in there, and think the pressure of the wildlife

1139
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: and cities and so on, so we get this. Every

1140
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: health district has got two families taking shots all the

1141
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: time rabies. Uh yeah. Let's let's start off with what

1142
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: it is. Okay, a viral disease. It's a virus, a virus,

1143
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: Lissa virus. It's They've got a number of relatives, but

1144
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: they're all deadly for all intents and purposes, fatal. Nobody survives.

1145
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: But the curious thing about it, it's one of the

1146
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: few diseases that you can still use a vaccine after

1147
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: you've been infected. Normally, that doesn't happen because in the

1148
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: old days, like not not even older, it's not that

1149
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: long ago when you got rabies. Man, it was like

1150
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: you were in trouble. Isn't that correct? Well, if you

1151
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: no treatment, you died, that's the trouble you're in. Do

1152
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: you know? Uh? Do you guys um in Canada? You

1153
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: guys probably aren't really huge into Daniel Boone? Are you

1154
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: remember Daniel Boone? The name rings about Balt Disney made

1155
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: a movie. I think that's right. But yeah, you guys

1156
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: be doing yourselves fair to get into Daniel Boone. But

1157
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: Boone was it? Uh? In one of his camps one time,

1158
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: a guy there's a bunch of guys sleeping around the

1159
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: fire in one of Boone's camps. They had just been

1160
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: in a skirmish with some Indians and they were kind

1161
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: of regrouping. But anyways, a wolf came in. It was,

1162
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: as they tell like the wolf was kind of very

1163
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: fixated on one person for whatever reason. And this guy

1164
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: got bit on the head or face. I can't remember

1165
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: where he got bit. He was sleeping, got bit on

1166
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: the head or face. Some months go by and their

1167
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: night hunting on the Clinch River, uh with they just

1168
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: drift the rivers at night with torches and the guy

1169
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: has this outbreak of hydrophobia. And goes berserk. The guy,

1170
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: his hunting partner, has actually jumped out of the canoe

1171
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: to get away from the guy who's going berserk with hydrophobia.

1172
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: He is. The episode ends, he's so afraid of he's

1173
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna hurt somebody that he instructs his friends, I am up,

1174
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: and they bind him up and take him home, and

1175
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: then he has another big outbreak whatever you call it,

1176
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: and dies. From the first symptom to the death wouldn't

1177
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: be more than ten days eleven days of the most

1178
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: really always, so if they could get him home, we

1179
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: would have been within a day or two. And the story,

1180
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: as it's told is that the cart the bite healed,

1181
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: had enough time to heal before he had. They had

1182
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: enough time to heal before he had his first instance

1183
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: of like intense hydropholding. We'll always do. See, this is

1184
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: a very strange disease. You you get bitten by a

1185
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: rapid dog or a wolf or coyote or a fox

1186
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: or a bat or anything like this, the bite inoculates

1187
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: you with the virus. Now, the virus doesn't affect where

1188
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: it is. It's sometimes a bit little swelling day, but

1189
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: it soon heals up. And do you think oh, that's fine. Meanwhile,

1190
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: the virus is now working its way towards your central

1191
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: nervous system, upper spinal cord and brain especially, and it

1192
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: can take depending on where you're bitten. A bitten on

1193
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: the big toe, it can take many months, six seven months.

1194
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: Bitten on the leg or something you knee, maybe four

1195
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: or five months. Bitten around the shoulder, the neck, the face,

1196
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 1: maybe a few weeks shorter distance to travel. Right. Once

1197
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: it gets to the brain, then the end kephlitis starts.

1198
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:32,520
Speaker 1: The brain inflammation starts. Also, the parotid glands, these salivary

1199
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: glands at the side, become very heavily loaded with virus

1200
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: and that's when the symptoms start. The symptoms you call

1201
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: it hydrophobia. That's what Pasteura called it. Actually they're not accurate.

1202
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: What is hydrophobia. Hydrophobia is when when the symptoms begin,

1203
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: the throat becomes extreme. You've had a strep sore throat

1204
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: will magnify that by about fifty times. The throat is

1205
01:08:56,280 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: on fire, it's closed, you can't drink anything, eat, You're

1206
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: dying of starvation. You see a glass of water you

1207
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: try and sip under the pain is unbearable, so you

1208
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 1: want the water, but it's the pain is all incredible.

1209
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: So this it looks like you're afraid of water. You're

1210
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: afraid of touching it because of the pain. It's nothing

1211
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: with the fear of water because the pain. But why

1212
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: was it of note to the guys? I think that

1213
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, the guy that there's a

1214
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: historian that that collected up a lot of these narratives. Um,

1215
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, but it was of note

1216
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: in the story that they were out on in a

1217
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 1: canoe on the river when the guy had an episode.

1218
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with it. I mean that other than

1219
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: the fact that he might have tried to drink the

1220
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: river water, which you can do, of course, and that's

1221
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 1: maybe when he first felt this horrible pain. But anyone

1222
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,799
Speaker 1: will do it. But you're dyeing the thirst, you're burning

1223
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: out because of the fever in the thirst, and you

1224
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 1: touch water and it's agony. That's why it looks like

1225
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: it's However, look at look at the beauty of this.

1226
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: You gotta look at the beauty of it, right, I

1227
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 1: am the giant. The saliva from the salvary glands becomes

1228
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: loaded with virus. Meanwhile, the saliva that's in your mouth.

1229
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: You can't swallow. We're always swallowing saliva there, you can't.

1230
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,799
Speaker 1: It's it's plugged up. So you're you're drooling, you're foaming,

1231
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: mouthing at the mouth, and that's where the virus is.

1232
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: All right, Now, bring in the aggressive form of rabies.

1233
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a dumb form where you just sort of

1234
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: go in the corner, become a vegetable. But more often

1235
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: you become aggressive. And if it's a wild animal, it's

1236
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: got no fear of any any other thing either to

1237
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: come right, fox, right, come out of brush and give

1238
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: you a bite. You know you'll never do that, norly.

1239
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: So now you got the aggression, the bite that set

1240
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: the saliva full of virus, and it the cycle starts again.

1241
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: It's such just a perfect, you know, perfect storm. If

1242
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: you like, do squirrels carry rabies? Any animal can carry rabies,

1243
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: even found it in mice laboratory. You can inoculate any able.

1244
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: But remember they it's gonna get it from being in

1245
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: a conflict with another animal. Reason the small animals would

1246
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: die and be eaten. Usually the reason I bring that up,

1247
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: let me tell you quick something that happened to me.

1248
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: It has it has been postific squirrels. We're in a

1249
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: pool one time in uh on the end of long

1250
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: in the hamptonsmitt the Hamptons. We're in a pool and

1251
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: a squirrel comes running up. I was in there with

1252
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: my kids, our friends kids, everybody in the pool. Squirrel

1253
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: comes running up and starts running up and down the

1254
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: side of the pool frantically, kind of casing everybody out.

1255
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: Then the squirrel jumps into the pool and I think, well,

1256
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's not gonna like that. But then he

1257
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: starts coming at people in the pool swimming, and I

1258
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: grabbed him up by the tail and whooped him so

1259
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: hard that it was it killed him. Do you think

1260
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: that we always warted like what his what kind of

1261
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 1: trip he was on could have been? This happened if

1262
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: his girls. In fact, just just a matter of about

1263
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: two or three weeks ago only there were two episodes

1264
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: with foxes, almost the same as you're saying. They're both

1265
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: in the eastern part of the United States, where in

1266
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: one case a woman was walking or jogging. I think

1267
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't a squirrel, sorry, a fox came out undergrowth

1268
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: and went straight forward and bitter and here she is

1269
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: sort of wondering what the hell are doing in the

1270
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: neighbor's dog, I think came along and chased the squirrel

1271
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: chasty fox away and killed it, and eventually the head

1272
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: was found to be positive. Is what caused rabies in

1273
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 1: this in this fox, the dog dog. The dog could

1274
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: then get the shots right in that intervening period between

1275
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: the bite and going up to the brain. So the

1276
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: person who had as rabies getting back to your guy

1277
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: in the canoe, if he had bitten somebody, it's possible

1278
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: that he could have passed it on. But because humans

1279
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: don't normally get to the point point of biting other humans.

1280
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: But technically there's no reason why it wouldn't happen. Why

1281
01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: are the bulk of of rabies cases? Where do they

1282
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: come from? Bats? No? No, not. You know, if you

1283
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: go to Asia, the majority is dogs, feral dogs, wild dogs,

1284
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, stray dogs. In North America, it's really raccoons, uh, skunks, foxes, bats,

1285
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: that's about it. In Central America it's bats and cattle

1286
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: because you get the cattle cattle because you're looking at

1287
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: the bats that eat the drink blood vampas and they'll

1288
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: bite the cattle around the ankles. Next thing you know,

1289
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 1: the cow has god rabies and it doesn't. But the

1290
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: cow obviously is in is it in trouble? It can't feed,

1291
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't pharmacistic, hasn't fed for a while. It's behaving normally.

1292
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: The vet comes and says, something stuck in its throats,

1293
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: So you know what vets do. They put the big

1294
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: long and they into the throat. Nothing in there, but

1295
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: now the vet gets bitten and the bet has to

1296
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: take the shots. The cow was rabbit, but you didn't

1297
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: think of that. Rabbit. Cow a rabbit are so any

1298
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: animal can be rare rabbit. In fact, we had we

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: didn't have raccoon rabies in Ontario, in Canada until some

1300
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: bright spark brought up a semi a semi trailer from

1301
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: I think it was Georgia full of raccoons because somebody

1302
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: up there wanted to go hunting raccoons in New England,

1303
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: Maine and Vermont and they didn't have many raccoons there,

1304
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: so they said, let's bring some up from Georgia. So

1305
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,440
Speaker 1: they brought up and apparently they brought up some rastas.

1306
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: So the next thing we know, they're crossing over the

1307
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: bridges into Canada we along road Brockwhville area, we're getting

1308
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: raccoon rabies appearing. So what they tried there was something

1309
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: that's now been picked up in the United States. They euthanized,

1310
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: They trapped and killed every every for one kilometers about

1311
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: a half a mile, and then they around for ten kilometers.

1312
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: It's about four miles. They dropped rabies vaccine baits in

1313
01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: the form of meatball. That's where they started. It's so

1314
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: successful and now doing it in the States all over

1315
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: the place. It was like some line, you guys know

1316
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: where the line runs through the eastern US, somewhere north

1317
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: to south. I think there's like a line where they

1318
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 1: air dropped rabies bags either Ohio, Pennsylvania, something like that,

1319
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania sticks. I can't remember where. I remember we talked

1320
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: to that that these wildlife disease specialists. Brian Richards was

1321
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: telling us about that. Yeah, all I remember is that

1322
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: it was done on the East coast. Okay, let's talk

1323
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: about bats. I finished with bats though, because some of

1324
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: my extra problem with a bat, you have an extra

1325
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: problem with bay extra problems. We think that the bats

1326
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: possibly can spread the virus as an aerosol, and that

1327
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: really gets you worried because normally you need to have

1328
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: a bite. Most physicians will say, let me see your leg,

1329
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: have you actually been bitten by the animal, and they've

1330
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: got to see a little punctchubaka or something. But with

1331
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: a bat, we have some evidence to show that the

1332
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: bat flying around the bedroom, terrifying the people in that

1333
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 1: us can possibly spread by by by the arizon, just

1334
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: his saliva, saliva in the air, and only that the

1335
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: bat's teeth is so needle like like it that people

1336
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: have woken up, not the cannabis states woken up. They've

1337
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: been a bat sitting on the chest somewhere. They wakes up,

1338
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: the bad flies away, and they didn't They really looked

1339
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: closely and they didn't know they could actually see a

1340
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: little tiny mark on the skin the teeth. So that's

1341
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: that's that's toff with the bat. And also last thing

1342
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 1: with the bat, we think it can live longer in

1343
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: its infective stage. Normally, remember about the dog or the

1344
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: other ten days maximum between the symptoms, the effective start

1345
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: time to your dad is used the five or six

1346
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: seven days less and ten ba we think can be

1347
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: longer than that. So that creates like a little extra Yeah,

1348
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: and if you and if you don't like bats, uh,

1349
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: that's okay, but look bad, bad spread size. Remember, sorry,

1350
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: I spent in two thousand three. Yeah, we thought there

1351
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: was a thing called a a civic cat. It wasn't

1352
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: a civic cat. Got it from bats in China Ebola

1353
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: from bats. Bats are hurting man, Yeah, they are with Yeah.

1354
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: My kids just went on a tour of a bat

1355
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: cave um Well Lewis and Clark Caverns, which has bats

1356
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: in it. They went on a tour and the tour

1357
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: people were curious what other caves, what all caves they've

1358
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: been in, and if you've been in another cave or

1359
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 1: something like that, you can go in this cave or Yeah,

1360
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: they had masks. They hadn't been in any I don't

1361
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: know if they reported it, but masks on them the cave.

1362
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, I could you know, it's hard to get

1363
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: information from little kids, but I got the gist of it.

1364
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: But you know, they could have messed something up. But

1365
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: I do believe them that someone inquired about what other

1366
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: cave and they've been involved in because there's a lot

1367
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: of fungus and things that can grow in the bat

1368
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: kuana on the floor of the cave. Yeah, and that's

1369
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: what kills there's like this what's it called against sam

1370
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 1: white nose syndrome. But there's also some other stuff like

1371
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: like histoplasmosis, for example, which you can go in that

1372
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: another single celled like like a toxoplasma, which can be

1373
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 1: inhaled lung disease. Are you comfortable coming back on the

1374
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: show sometimes? Yeah, we got a lot to talk about. Well,

1375
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 1: because we're not gonna get through all the diseases, man,

1376
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: not even c But I want to hit like, uh,

1377
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: I think we gotta hit giardia. Okay, Yeah, let's do YARDI.

1378
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: Let's do YARDI. Okay, yeah, because that's that's very It's

1379
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: people going into the woods. They got their stirry pens,

1380
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: they've got their water filters here. Well, I have a

1381
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: friend here. Yeah, man, I have a friend who just

1382
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: got the cam Pilo bacteriosis from water drinking water out hunting. Yeah,

1383
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: let's talk about drinking water out in the woods, Okay,

1384
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: drinking on the wits Okay, So okay, Johnny would come

1385
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: into that in a big way. Um, single celled parasite. Now,

1386
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: if you look at it in the way that most

1387
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: textbooks look at it, looks like a little a little

1388
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: balloon with two big eyes. He's actually sucking discs. Sounds cute,

1389
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: It sounds really cute. It looks like a balloon with

1390
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: two big eyes, like like a pear shaped thing with

1391
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: eyes and there, but it's not eyes, not eyes, actually

1392
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 1: sucking discs chlorine. And if you go, a colleague of

1393
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: mine does a lot of work in the far north

1394
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: of Canada up there and research in the in the

1395
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: tunder you know what escimates are into it, and almost

1396
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: everybody has had jud i is at some point or another. Well,

1397
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: that contradicts what I've been told by people, is that

1398
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 1: when you get up to the Arctic slope you don't

1399
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: have it anymore. No, no, it's not true. There's all

1400
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: kinds of up there happily. Now it's a it's a

1401
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't kill you off usually, but it causes a

1402
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: lot of chronic intestinal We've all had chronic it foul

1403
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: smelling diary and it keeps stops and stops. Oh yeah,

1404
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: and it's not continuous, but it's it's so it can

1405
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: be treated. There's a number of good anti anti parasitic preparations,

1406
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 1: but there's some of them was as bad as a parasite.

1407
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: My brother once said that he almost thought it was

1408
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 1: worth getting giardia because of the relief the medication brought.

1409
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: He was like, Giardia medicine and Tom's and acid and

1410
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: acid are like two medicines that he likes because you

1411
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 1: take it and all of a sudden you feel a

1412
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: lot better. And he really appreciated. It's like the logic

1413
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: hitting head against the pig wall, you know, stopping the

1414
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: joy of stopping is spreading. And it's hardly anybody is

1415
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: free of it. Hardly anybody is immune to it. It's

1416
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 1: gonna if you're if you're out there with the water

1417
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: has not been boiled properly, Boiling will kill it. Boiling

1418
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: it will kill it. Oh, even bringing it to the

1419
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: boiling point, I'd say a minute or two. But to

1420
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: be in the safe side at five minutes and they

1421
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: cool it down again, you're safe as anything not going

1422
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: to happen. But it goes what's to container you're gonna

1423
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: put it in, if you're gonna use it for something else.

1424
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: Wherever your hands are been I mean, you know there's

1425
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: a chain of infection going along it, and it's in

1426
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: the environment. I mean every bit of a freshwater or

1427
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: platu may pick out of the freshwater fish you've pulled

1428
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: out of the mud or something. That's what the job.

1429
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: But people but yeah, I get what you're saying, and

1430
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: I accept what you're saying. But people that get it,

1431
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: it's like you can get your toothbrush all day long

1432
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: in some creek and brush your teeth, and you know,

1433
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: anyone that dips your toothbrush and the creek usually knows not.

1434
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: They spit it all out the people to get it.

1435
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: And I've gotten it. And when I've gotten it, where

1436
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: you're able to look and be like you were drinking

1437
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: volumes of water. H I don't know that anyone that

1438
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:00,600
Speaker 1: picked up Crypto Spiritio or Giardia, they couldn't look and

1439
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: and and figure out what like, couldn't look in and

1440
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: sort of isolated a situation where they made a stupid call,

1441
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: like do you hear of patients coming in or people

1442
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: coming in with jardine having no idea how they could

1443
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: have possibly gotten it. Haven't been camping non fishing and

1444
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: wind up with yard if you know that's that's true.

1445
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:26,879
Speaker 1: But but going fishing is entering the great wild world

1446
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: where you are at associated with something or other there.

1447
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: I mean where you go fishing and don't have lunch

1448
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: on the bank of the of the of the river

1449
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: or the lake or something. You're gonna stop for lunch,

1450
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: or you're going to cook up some fish, and in

1451
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: so doing you've maybe brought some other stuff around. And

1452
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: it's usually I agree with you, it's it's a larger quantity.

1453
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: It's a glass of water. Other people in Milwaukee who

1454
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: had it piped through in their town system? Is that right?

1455
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: And this is this This was the biggest single outbreak

1456
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,560
Speaker 1: of crypto. This is crypto now, but they're almost a

1457
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: parallel and the way they affect you in history. In

1458
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: the municipal water was applying Milwaukee and be fever right

1459
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 1: in town. Oh, the experts were there, and of course

1460
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: they the lab people weren't trained to look for crypto.

1461
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: They were looking for bacteria, and they did every tester

1462
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: back to under the sun. They said, we can't find

1463
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: anything in there. And eventually it was a hot summer

1464
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: day and and it was up to five sorry about

1465
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: fifty illnesses cases and something like five thousand deaths. This

1466
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: is a big outbreak. When was this surprising? You never

1467
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 1: heard about it? Oh, well, I can get you the

1468
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 1: exact date when I feel like I remember some kind

1469
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: of listeria outbreak or something like that. But that's no,

1470
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: that's there is always much smaller than that, but more deadly. Anyway,

1471
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: this particular thing, they had a big press conference and

1472
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: the reporters were there and the Commissioner for health forget

1473
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: his name, Schmidt or something like that. One of the

1474
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 1: reporters said, oh, doctor Schmidt, we noticed that you're not

1475
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: drinking in your water on the press table, you know,

1476
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: And he said, well, to tell the truth, a couple

1477
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: of boys in the labs think that might be something

1478
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: to do with the water, but we're not sure yet.

1479
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Now up to that point they thought it was food.

1480
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: And so the lawyers went to town. They said, look,

1481
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 1: if you think it is some of you with the water,

1482
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: at least tell us and we'll boil the water until

1483
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: you find out what was going on. It was very embarrassing.

1484
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: This Yeah, I was just out of high schools. Eight

1485
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people were exposed to it. Exposure was huge, yea,

1486
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: because it was coming safe Will supply, you know, drinking

1487
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 1: fountains school kids. Wow. Man, And again that that's a parasite.

1488
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: It resists the chlorination that you we normally apply. You

1489
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,480
Speaker 1: got to have with extra special chlorine or extra special filtration.

1490
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: So back to somebody that's out camping, stop, can I

1491
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of hit one more for you for you to Um,

1492
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 1: did you watch that documentary about that Colton, Oregon called

1493
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: Wild Wild was Wild Wild Country or Wild Country? Wild

1494
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: Wild Country, Wild Wild Country? It's it was just document

1495
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: about this cult in Oregon. And they had it where

1496
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out a way to keep everybody

1497
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 1: from voting on a certain day. Um, they didn't want

1498
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: the talents people to vote because they wanted to be

1499
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: able to dominate an election. So they think, like, how

1500
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 1: can we get what would prevent everybody from voting? And

1501
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: they feel that what would prevent everybody from voting is

1502
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 1: that everyone we're sick. And they experimented their experiment with variously.

1503
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: They were going into salad bars. It was like a

1504
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,919
Speaker 1: popular restaurant in town. They went and tried to contaminate

1505
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: a salad bart and effectively didn't got a bunch of

1506
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 1: people sick. But everything they knew about so they knew

1507
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: about beaver fever, but they didn't quite know what beaver

1508
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 1: fever was they thought that somehow like beavers had carried

1509
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: beaver fever, and they they didn't execute on us, but

1510
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: I think they toyed with this plan to catch beavers

1511
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: and then blend the beavers up and contaminate the municipal

1512
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: water supply with blended up beavers in order to infect

1513
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: the town's people so that on election day only the

1514
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: raj Nishi's would vote. It's a great story. Anyway, Go ahead, Ynny,

1515
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Take a big blender. Go get

1516
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 1: me a beaver and blender. And the reason I'm put

1517
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: pointing bringing up this instance because I've been there and

1518
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: I've had and I can't quite remember now what he's

1519
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 1: a chemical engineer, I believe, but a scientist nonetheless. And

1520
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 1: and when I sat there and went through pumping my

1521
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: water treating it, and I was actually using one of

1522
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: these now gene bottles just like this one. Now, I

1523
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: would put my one end right into the creek there

1524
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: the water source, and it sort of has like a

1525
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: real rough filter at that end, and it kind of

1526
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 1: has a float to keep it up off the bottom,

1527
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: and so you stay away from the sediment goes in.

1528
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: One t goes through the filter, and then there's sort

1529
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: of there's a ceramic filter, right, No, it wasn't a

1530
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,560
Speaker 1: ceramic version. It's just the catatin the regular filter, but

1531
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: not a ceramic version. And then, uh, you put the

1532
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 1: little attachment that fits nice and snug on your Nalgene bottle.

1533
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: You proceed to pump away, yes, okay, with the pressure

1534
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: through a membrane. Yes, exactly. You pump it full. And

1535
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: then when it's all said done, I would take my

1536
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: water filtration system and sort of and there's you know,

1537
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: long tubes going both directions, and I would wrap it

1538
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: up and put it back into my little pouch that

1539
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 1: it lives in, put into my backpack, and off we go.

1540
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: And he felt that that that because I'm not keeping

1541
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: out the whole system clean, and then in the end

1542
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm sort of contaminating the whole system by because that

1543
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: one end that goes into the water sources now stuck

1544
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: in a bag and you splashed little dropets of water

1545
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: in there. He's like, you know, what, if you're gonna

1546
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: do that, there's really no reason for us to sit

1547
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: here and spend all this time filtering the water. Bullshit, man,

1548
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: it's got to be some kind of parts per million

1549
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:23,719
Speaker 1: man the whole world would have jardia. Well, there aren't

1550
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: there parts of the world that were like great percentage

1551
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: of people have it. In the in the poor areas, Yeah,

1552
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: like the north of Canada where they're living in like

1553
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: a third world area for whales and sewage will get

1554
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: a bit mixed up together. That kind of thing for sure.

1555
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 1: But let's just say with the water again, because you

1556
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: mentioned about water treatment systems. If you're looking for a system,

1557
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 1: reverse osmosis is not a bad system, but it's got

1558
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: some real problems with it. When it's working out of

1559
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:58,600
Speaker 1: the manufacturer and it fits n s F certified to

1560
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: be one micron, it's got to be absolute says on

1561
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 1: it absolute one micron. Then it's been tested by the

1562
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: National Sense Sensition Foundation. It's been found not to pass

1563
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: anything great than one microphone. So you're going to keep

1564
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: out crypto and jar there viruses to right one micron.

1565
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 1: Even some of the bacteria will get through one microd

1566
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: But if you're just looking at these particular nasties, um

1567
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: um uh. If it says a nominal one micron, don't

1568
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: trust it that. Sometimes the scripto will get through with

1569
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 1: nominal it's just like approximately to go with you absolute.

1570
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: The other thing with with r OH is it works

1571
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,879
Speaker 1: very well until the membrane, which is a semi permial membrane,

1572
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: until that gets even a microscopic hole in it, which

1573
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: it will do after a while. It's a it's a

1574
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,480
Speaker 1: biological membrane. So yet will fungus growing in little pinholes

1575
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: in it, and there's no way to tell that with

1576
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: what is getting through is in fact contaminated. So they

1577
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: normally say use an r O filter with something downstream

1578
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 1: from it, like ozone or a little trop of chlorine

1579
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: or something in there as well, just to be sure

1580
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: that there's something. The same with the ultra violet light.

1581
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: You remember for a while with a little ultra violet

1582
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: light kits you could get. Now, the problem with alto

1583
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 1: violet is that it forms a deposit on the tube.

1584
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, if you have what tube within the tube,

1585
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: if it's one of those, if you take it out

1586
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: once in a whire you don't clean the inner tube.

1587
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of kind of a caking on the

1588
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: inner tube, which means that UV now doesn't reach the

1589
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: water and there's no way to tell. So what you

1590
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: you should do is either clean that inner tube rigorously

1591
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: every time, or make sure there's something downstream like chlorine

1592
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 1: or eidine or or something like that, or ozone which

1593
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: will polish off anything that's got by. Yeah, we're big

1594
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: stairy pen guys. Real. Yeah that's good. Yeah, that's the product. Yeah,

1595
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 1: runs on like a cr one battery or double as

1596
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: they both. Yeah. I like, hey, how does how does um?

1597
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: How does iodine kill stuff? Well, it's it's it's it's

1598
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:19,440
Speaker 1: a molecule to actually element actually that when in combination

1599
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 1: with proteins, it's it forms another very pleasant situation. It will.

1600
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: This is why I dine was the first thing that

1601
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: you d have on. Remember when the old duff I done,

1602
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: it hurt. It was the alcohol that was in because

1603
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: it was a tinker ide. But nowadays you use your

1604
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: better dying and these other things which you can put on.

1605
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt as well. So you go for an operation,

1606
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: they put on that nice red stuff, let it dry

1607
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: and then they cut into you. But it's it's an

1608
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: iota four or an iodine complicated organic. I don't con found.

1609
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: It's just that it kills off most bacteria. Most bacteria

1610
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 1: can't surviving it just it's okay to like because here's

1611
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: the thing, like you know, guys in the middle, it's

1612
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: terry um. There's a lot of iodine more for water

1613
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 1: sand tastes in the field to use an iodine tablets

1614
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: and then they make a neutralizer the neutralizes the flavor

1615
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: of iodine. But it's it's a commonly held belief. I

1616
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: don't know if it's true or not. Like in our circles,

1617
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: is a commonly held belief that if you're spending a

1618
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: ton of time out, you shouldn't be you shouldn't be

1619
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 1: using iodine because you're drinking all this lot. You drinking

1620
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 1: too much iodine. The only place in your in the

1621
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: your body that will hang onto iodine is your thoroid gland.

1622
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: Everything and no other tissue has got to a receptive

1623
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 1: point forwards or anything more than that urinated. It defecated

1624
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: straight out, so you can't really do much. I believe

1625
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: there is a threshold for too much idone. It's so

1626
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: the interplace hell with the irritation in some parts of

1627
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 1: the system, and also can give too much in the

1628
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 1: thoroid gland. But it's not going to be something that's

1629
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: going to affect you too much. So if you're spending

1630
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: like you know, you spend a couple of months out

1631
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: of the year out run around the woods. It's the

1632
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: taste that most people don't like. So there's no detrimental

1633
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: there's not like I mean like again, not every day

1634
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: all day, but like a week here and there drinking

1635
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: IODI and treated water is okay. Let me talk to

1636
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: our occupational health people who are linked in with OSHA

1637
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,799
Speaker 1: and Nioshan so on, just to see what the latest

1638
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: is on on the excessive idine. What he is excessive?

1639
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: I mean it's got to be several ounces of eye

1640
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 1: down or something. It was he just a little more.

1641
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: Let me find out that and I can I can

1642
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: afford it information to you. Yeah, when I was talking

1643
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: earlier about I got I got two more or two more?

1644
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 1: Like water have a salt's got eitherin in because we

1645
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: need either and they put it and in salt because

1646
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 1: they figured these massive mass medication. But it's the one

1647
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: thing you could guarantee everybody can have a little bit

1648
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: of salt in their year, the month, the week. Uh

1649
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 1: my two remaining questions on JARDI and crypton other water

1650
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: born and stuff that you get when you camp and

1651
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 1: back to my one point, like I've had it two

1652
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: or three times, oh him? And when when when I

1653
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: remember one time? I could take you to where I

1654
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: drank out of a creek rabbit hunting back home in

1655
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: Michigan and got real sick. And then I got it

1656
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: one time in Arizona because I did IDI and but

1657
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: I didn't want a while super thirsty, and I didn't

1658
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:18,679
Speaker 1: want to wait for the IODI and tablet to dissolve,

1659
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,560
Speaker 1: and everybody else thought it was really stupid, and I

1660
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 1: had some argument why I thought it was okay, got sick.

1661
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: I remember my brother him getting it real bad one

1662
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: time because we were elk hunting and we found where,

1663
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 1: uh where we thought we found a trickle, the original

1664
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: source where it's coming out of the ground, and he

1665
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: drank a bunch of that and we went under ten

1666
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: yards up the hill and realized that it was a

1667
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: big elk wallow and it hadn't flown through enough sand

1668
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: to filter it out. And I remember he got sick

1669
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: and went on and on and on eventually got treated.

1670
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: So like the times when we've had it and then

1671
01:34:55,680 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: we're diagnosed because of of giving a scat sample, um

1672
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: have have again, It's been these times when when you

1673
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: like get sick, you're like, oh, man, that I make

1674
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 1: a bad move. Remember another time a bunch of us

1675
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: got sick in Colorado. Someone had told us that some

1676
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: river was for some magical reason didn't have it. Everybody

1677
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: drank every is it really And it was just like

1678
01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: all these moments where you could kind of go through

1679
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: your history over the last couple of weeks and sort

1680
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 1: of identify, you know, a moment where it came from

1681
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: so to Yeah, I just like driving after mainly I'm

1682
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: driving after honest's point where when I hear people talk

1683
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 1: about that, you know, you dip some water out of

1684
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: a creek and then you starry pen the inside of

1685
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: your bottle. How maybe you missed a little drop in

1686
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: the threads of the bottle. I don't know, man, I

1687
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,559
Speaker 1: just don't. I just can't. I just feel like if

1688
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 1: that stuff was getting you, then everybody would be sick

1689
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,640
Speaker 1: all the damn time. It's a probability game really on

1690
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: how many of these sales you take in and all

1691
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 1: of these things we've talked about, whether it's a tulamia

1692
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 1: and toxoplasma so on, there's a minimum number of cells

1693
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: you need to get ill, because some of these things

1694
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: you need half a million or speakers of million to

1695
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 1: get ill. Other things half a dozen will do it.

1696
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: So it already depends on what the density is in

1697
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 1: the water, and probably your fitness or your wellness right

1698
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: to some degree, or your immune system. Let's go with that.

1699
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 1: How strong humanity? For example, if you're pretty ill from

1700
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: some other underlying feature, you've got diabetes or something, maybe

1701
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: your immune system is down, you're gonna be hit much

1702
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: harder than other people. So here's here's my second question. Uh,

1703
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 1: did were communities or groups of First Nations people's Native

1704
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 1: American Native Alaskans do they eventually did they eventually develop

1705
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: a um immunity to it? And did all of their

1706
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,520
Speaker 1: children have to go through a phase of having gardia?

1707
01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: That is a really good question, and we've heard the

1708
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,839
Speaker 1: same thing I asked about things like salmonella in Mexico,

1709
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 1: for example, or in Southeast Asia, where there's a lot

1710
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: of it around, but people don't seem to suffer from

1711
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: it anywhere near as much as the tourist who goes

1712
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: there and as exposed. We know that just before I

1713
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 1: leave salmon all a little bit we know that Salmonella typhee,

1714
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 1: which causes a rather strange form of salmonell we call

1715
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: typhoid fever, which is very serious. I didn't know that

1716
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: I was even connected. It's called salmonella type that particular organism.

1717
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: We haven't we've had a vaccine. I haven't been vaccinated

1718
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: for that when he used to live in the Mediterranean.

1719
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: Fact typhoid fever and paratyper so the other salmonella probably

1720
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: do we we we even think this is a there's

1721
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: a link like that, a kind of an acquired immunity

1722
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: among local people with staff lococcus areas that the staff

1723
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 1: toxin you get. You know that there's not an organism

1724
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: it orgain produces the toxin, and weat the toxin. Even

1725
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 1: that appears that some people might actually become not a

1726
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: mute into it, but tolerant of it. More tolerant of it.

1727
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 1: It wouldn't suffer from it. And so traveler is coming

1728
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: back from the nice North American city. Their stomach is

1729
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: used to North American supermarket food. They go and travel

1730
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 1: in Thailand or Philippines or something like that, and they

1731
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 1: suddenly really ill and the local people are eating it

1732
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,560
Speaker 1: all the time. We don't. I don't know about jardias

1733
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 1: specifically about that, but it's such a good question. I

1734
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: want to find out to get back to you about

1735
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 1: that because I want to see if there's any evidence

1736
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: so far that we can become more tolerant of jardia.

1737
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good bet that we do good.

1738
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: So hang on that because we're gonna wrap it up

1739
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let you go because now we have

1740
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 1: occasion to have you back on and provide us the

1741
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 1: answer about um, how Native Americans could with ardia? Good

1742
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: sounds good? Any uh? Yes? What do you guys got

1743
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: any concluders? I just want to make sure that I'm

1744
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: clear that And what my takeaway is that it is

1745
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: okay for me to go out there and eat as

1746
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 1: much fresh or salt water fish raw, and then we're

1747
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: really the wor he wants you to write it down

1748
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:15,360
Speaker 1: that the worst things going to happen to me is

1749
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna end up with a little worm that

1750
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: calls through my stomach and worms around for up to

1751
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 1: a week or so and then dies in the kind

1752
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 1: of fish, and we're gonna be exposed to North America. Yes,

1753
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 1: that's about right. To civic. There's a number of societies

1754
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: around the world you do the same thing. Oddly enough,

1755
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,959
Speaker 1: they call it cooking in lime. It's because the appearance

1756
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: of the fish, you know, it looks like it's but

1757
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: it's not actually being cooked. I think that the like

1758
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 1: most of the like the chlorine or anything else, it's

1759
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 1: the time and the dose. So it's the strength of

1760
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: the lime and how long it's been in there just

1761
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: to achieve a kill off of the anything that is

1762
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 1: in there. But even if it wasn't much in there,

1763
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 1: what you're saying is still true. You're not going to

1764
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 1: have any serious disease. You may have some little tickle

1765
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: in the throat you make, get a little If you're

1766
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 1: really rare, you might get a parent ton I just

1767
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 1: for that's so rare that it it hits the medical

1768
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: books when it happens, So it's another big deal. It's

1769
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 1: rare enough to people write about it when it happens. Yeah,

1770
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, that's a good that's a

1771
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 1: good measure of rarity. Yeah. It's like when someone gets

1772
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: hit by a mountain line, it makes national news. You're like,

1773
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: not many people a getting hit by mountain line that's

1774
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 1: a mountain line. I talk toxic blowser in this, you know, Yeah,

1775
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: that's that's another kind of mountain line problem saying what

1776
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: do you got? Oh? I mean, there's so many more

1777
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: diseases I want to talk about from this incredible I'm

1778
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 1: not going to. I just I just want to. I

1779
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: thought we had a chance to get through them all

1780
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 1: I would plow ahead. But it's got to be a TV.

1781
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 1: It's to be continued. Man, It's like how dukes it has?

1782
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 1: I understand it just and just so fascinated now, and

1783
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: I'm I'm struggling with kind of dueling emotions that like

1784
01:40:55,320 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I feel like authorized to go eat whatever fish and

1785
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 1: into rob but I'm also like scared to death now

1786
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: about a bunch of other ships so that I wouldn't

1787
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 1: do that in Southeast Asia when I wasn't planning on it.

1788
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 1: Fish and crab and shrimp cook there. But I mean

1789
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: there was a thing in Hong Kong number of years

1790
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 1: ago where and I was with people who do that,

1791
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 1: who they would bring live, live shrimp to the table

1792
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 1: and you pick them up with the chopsticks and maybe

1793
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 1: you dunked them quickly into the hot soup. But there's

1794
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 1: still basically alive. Eat them. Yeah, there was a handful,

1795
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 1: not a handule. There's a place in l A. I

1796
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: went to you in the whole Special. The whole point

1797
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 1: there is like eating stuff that's alive. Yeah, I mean

1798
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 1: people eat roy, you know always. Yeah, but there was

1799
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,640
Speaker 1: like there's more stuff. They're bringing all this stuff out.

1800
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: It's like the whole thing is isn't that great? And

1801
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: then a noise if you look really closely before you

1802
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: eat it, there's all kinds of little worms in there,

1803
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 1: but they don't cause any problem at all. Look at

1804
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,799
Speaker 1: it closely. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, if you're aflated.

1805
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: Blue delar perch looked like someone Yeah, it looks like

1806
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: someone put black pepper around him already. Yeah. I don't.

1807
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't tell my wife and see

1808
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 1: that that's a couple of hundred little worms. Make sure

1809
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: it's probably cooked. That's a parasite. No, I'm just like, yeah,

1810
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: they just look like that. And that is what they

1811
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: do is in some places in Europe and England they

1812
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: take a haddock seafish and they smoke its smoked haddock,

1813
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: but the worms now take on more of the dye

1814
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 1: than the fish does so at last, anybody looking at

1815
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 1: it and you say, oh, there's a little cold up

1816
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 1: because you're dark amber color and the rest of the

1817
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 1: fish is light amber color. She's dead. It's been properly cooked. Hey,

1818
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: you don't have a book or anything, do you. I'm

1819
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: writing a couple of things. Yeah, you know, so if

1820
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 1: people are listening and they want to check out, I

1821
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 1: mean you start, you probably published academically, right, Oh, I

1822
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: can have a good publishing. Yeah, but I do. I'm

1823
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: a writer and Cora. Now I remember tired from full

1824
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: time teaching, but I still do some teaching around it.

1825
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: So people can look up Tim sly Ryers and then

1826
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: you'll get all kinds of epidemialogist and people find your

1827
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:58,719
Speaker 1: work and they'll read your stuff. I read a great

1828
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 1: deal of his writings, unreal, completely unrelated to even anything

1829
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 1: I was writing about. In your responses on Cora always

1830
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 1: always have a good tongue in cheat component that I

1831
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:12,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed quite a bit. Well, thank you very much for

1832
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 1: coming on. Thank you, Steve. I'd love to have you back. Okay,

1833
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: we only got through not even like about a third

1834
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 1: of the things that fella could run into wet touched

1835
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: on baby ceosis Bruce Lows, I've never even heard of

1836
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 1: that one and a plasmosis. Stay tuned bolks were gonna

1837
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: cover a lot more diseases. It will kill you. Thanks again,

1838
01:43:37,240 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 1: good stuff, Leisure one