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Speaker 1: Well, greetings Angel fans, and welcome to the debut episode

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Speaker 1: of Halo Territory, the newest member of the Foul Territory Network,

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Speaker 1: where we'll be talking all things Angels. We'll try to

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Speaker 1: keep you informed, hopefully keep you entertained, and hopefully no

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Speaker 1: subject will be off limits. My name is Mike di Giovanna.

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Speaker 1: I'll be hosting the show along with Mark Trumbo, former

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Speaker 1: Angel slugger.

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Speaker 2: Mark. Welcome to the show. Thank you, Mike. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: for this. I think that we have quite a few

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Speaker 2: great topics to cover, and I think the Angel fans

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Speaker 2: will really enjoy it all right.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't remember me, I'm now a semi

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Speaker 1: retired sportswriter. Spent forty one years at the Los Angeles Times,

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Speaker 1: thirty of those covering Major League Baseball, twenty of them

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Speaker 1: as an Angel's beat writer, and for the last ten

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Speaker 1: years of my career, I went back and forth between

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Speaker 1: the Angels and Dodgers. Mark needs no introduction, but for

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Speaker 1: those who don't remember, he played ten years in the

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Speaker 1: Big leagues hit I believe two hundred eighteen home runs

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Speaker 1: and a fair number of those with the Angels. That

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Speaker 1: went a long way so glad to have Mark aboard,

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Speaker 1: and today we're going to talk about is Let's be frank.

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Speaker 1: It's been a pretty uninspiring winner so far for the Angels.

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Speaker 1: They've made five moves that will impact the big league roster.

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Speaker 1: Four of them involve pitchers. Biggest move as they traded

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Speaker 1: for Grayson Rodriguez, a young pitcher from the Baltimore Orioles,

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Speaker 1: for slugger Taylor Ward. They also signed Alec Manoa, a

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Speaker 1: former All Star coming off injuries. They signed Jordan Romano

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Speaker 1: and a veteran left hander, Drew Pomerance, and they acquired

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Speaker 1: an infielder from the Boston organization, Von Grissom. I've heard

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Speaker 1: these moves in some places be described as lottery tickets

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Speaker 1: in that they're cheap and they could pay off big,

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Speaker 1: and in other places they've been described as reclamation projects.

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Speaker 1: I do think most of them tend toward the ladder,

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Speaker 1: but I will say, in Grayson Rodriguez's case, this could

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Speaker 1: be a lottery ticket. Mark, you played with Grayson briefly

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Speaker 1: in the Oils organization. What are the Angels getting and

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Speaker 1: what is the challenge is going to be for this

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Speaker 1: kid coming off a pretty major injury.

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Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, when I saw the news of

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Speaker 2: rumored to possibly be on the move at some point

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Speaker 2: for the last few years, and I think some other

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Speaker 2: teams made sense along the way. The timing, you know,

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Speaker 2: could have made sense at any point. But I think

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Speaker 2: the Angels did very well, and I was frankly quite

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Speaker 2: surprised that they landed a guy like Grayson Rodriguez, who

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Speaker 2: I was there when he got drafted and I remember

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Speaker 2: probably watching his first outing and especially his first big

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Speaker 2: league camp. A tremendous arm went healthy. His fastball is

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Speaker 2: top tier, it's kind of plays from an upshoot delivery.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be in the mid nineties, if not

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Speaker 2: there's no two ways about it. He's a frontline starter.

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Speaker 2: One two went healthy, and he's got a really nice

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Speaker 2: is going to be his slider, or it has been,

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Speaker 2: but I think that's where you pair him with a

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Speaker 2: guy like Mike Maddox, with a tremendous amount of experience

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Speaker 2: working with all types of pitchers, but some really good

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Speaker 2: ones and you know, hopefully he can take a look

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Speaker 2: may make sense. Maybe it's simplifying the pitch, or maybe

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Speaker 2: it's you know, something outside the box too. But I

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Speaker 2: think the biggest thing for Grayson is going to be

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Speaker 2: staying healthy. And you know, he does have a fair

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Speaker 2: amount of injuries that for a young player is not great.

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't have a lot of wear and tear

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Speaker 2: it could end up looking like a steal for the Angels. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The obvious subside here is he's still young. He's in

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Speaker 1: we know, you know, developing good young pitching has been

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Speaker 1: a struggle for this Angels organization for a few years.

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Speaker 1: Taylor Ward, on an expiring contract, had a great year

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Speaker 1: last year, but he was hitting free agency. How important

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Speaker 1: And could this kid be their ace eventually?

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Speaker 2: From what I've seen, and I've seen quite a few,

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Speaker 2: and then you know, hopefully blossoms into a premier starting pitcher.

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Speaker 2: And there's a hard decision down the road there as

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Speaker 2: where that might be. But I'm not sure it's going

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Speaker 2: So that'll be interesting for a team that relied heavily

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Speaker 2: But I think that frankly, that I'd rather have a

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a couple of the reclamation projects. Alec

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Speaker 1: Manau was an All star a few years ago with

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Speaker 1: But it's been a while. What do you think of

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Speaker 2: I think this would be a high upside candidate. Obviously

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Speaker 2: he is an indings eater, obviously has a big personality,

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Speaker 2: seems like a very tough competitor, but he's got some

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Speaker 2: it looks like some maturity things at times, and being

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Speaker 2: it's a big deal for a starting pitcher. I think

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Speaker 2: It's a hot place to play. The summers are some

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Speaker 2: But if he's healthy, I see him. You know, the

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Speaker 2: He did return to play last year briefly, but for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason, the Blue Jays decided to move on, and

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Speaker 2: I think he's making two million bucks or maybe a

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Speaker 2: if it goes well. A lot of questions in this

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Speaker 2: He was a pretty good signing last year. I have

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Speaker 2: to admit I was very impressed with how Canley pitched.

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Speaker 2: But they don't have a closer right now, and we

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Speaker 2: just don't know about Ben Joyce. When the guy's healthy,

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Speaker 2: he's throwing one hundred and five, one hundred and four. Great,

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Speaker 2: did add at least to the bullpen with Jordan Romano

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Speaker 1: Drew Pomerantz a really nice bounce back year, A veteran lefty.

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Speaker 1: mean you can almost kind of bank on him. Not

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Speaker 1: Romano interesting guy, you know, an All Star closer with

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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays just a few years ago. Really rough

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Speaker 1: I don't know when he was with the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 1: I never even when he was closing and having good years,

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Speaker 2: great career, and I know personally he got me out

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Speaker 2: For being honest, I'm not sure that we're there. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure that we're all that close, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: rule anything out. But I think it's a guy adding

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Speaker 2: And then Romano. I don't know about his health, and

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Speaker 2: kind of a coin flip. I think when even when healthy,

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Speaker 2: he was kind of one of those closers that would

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Speaker 2: like maybe he wouldn't like to, but he made it

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Speaker 2: interesting quite a bit. Some traffic on the bases, and

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Speaker 2: do like the clean ninth inning, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: what Kenlee Jansen did an excellent job of. When he

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Speaker 2: was hopeful, I say ay, but I think the Angels

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Speaker 2: fans were that he would consider coming back. It seemed

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Speaker 2: like things went very well playing for the Angels, but

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, I think he's gonna play for the

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Speaker 2: Tigers next year. Yeah, who do you see closing right now?

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Speaker 1: If Ben Joyce camp, if he's not ready, certainly at

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Speaker 2: Moving back to the rotation. So yeah, I would actually

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Speaker 2: say Kirby Yates makes sense for me. I know last

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't that long ago where the Angels

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Speaker 2: Well, if we're being honest, which is I think what

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Speaker 2: when you get to the big leagues, it's not your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these are going to be some topics we'll explore

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Speaker 1: later in the show. Certainly, player development a big issue

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Speaker 1: with the Angels, so that will we'll wrap up this

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Speaker 1: debut episode. Please like and subscribe and join us. Later

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Speaker 1: in the week, we'll be talking to Sam Blum, the

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Speaker 1: outstanding writer for The Athletic, about the Tyler Skaggs trials,

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Speaker 1: so that should be very interesting. Until then, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time on Halo Territory

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