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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Zach Wheeler.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Philly Show.

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Speaker 1: Zach is Jim likes to say, Zach wheels Wheeler absolutely

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Speaker 1: deals on Tuesday Night, he says, I'm just offering everybody

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Speaker 1: a reminder. Anybody who wants to be reminded, I'm offering

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Speaker 1: them a reminder. Ruben Tomorrow Junior, Jim Salsbury, todds Alecki.

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Speaker 1: It's the Philly Show and we got to talk about

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Speaker 1: our good friend, Zach Wheeler. It's time for first pitch.

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Speaker 1: First Pitch is powered by Monster Energy.

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Speaker 2: He goes out.

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Speaker 1: I asked Don maddingly before the game, guys, I say,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the chances are that he goes

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Speaker 1: out and pitches with a little bit of an edge

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday night? And Don kind of smiled and he says, well,

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Speaker 1: if he pitches with an edge and it helps him,

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Speaker 1: then I hope he goes out an edge. So I

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Speaker 1: asked Zach that question and he said, yeah, I pitched.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to pitch with an edge. Would you guys

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Speaker 1: think of that performance send sending an all star message?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he wants to make the All Star team.

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Speaker 1: He's all Star worthy. All of that.

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Speaker 3: It was great he did.

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Speaker 4: He pitched I would even say he pitched with something

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Speaker 4: greater than an edge. He pitched with anger, like Bob Gibson,

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Speaker 4: like Randy Johnson, like Roger Clemens. Those guys pitched with anger,

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Speaker 4: and they channeled it the right way. Sometimes that type

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Speaker 4: of emotion could work against you, but with Zach Wheels

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Speaker 4: Wheeler it did not. And his last two starts just

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Speaker 4: eleven and two thirds innings because he was yank durly

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Speaker 4: and that contributed to his edge, but mostly the All

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Speaker 4: Star But his last two starts eleven and two thirds innings,

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Speaker 4: twenty four punch outs, one walk.

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Speaker 2: That's good, right, that's good. H Yeah. I mean he's

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Speaker 2: a special pitcher. May go down as one of the

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Speaker 2: best all time already is one of the best all

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Speaker 2: time pitchers for the Phillies, Number one, number two. It's

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Speaker 2: not I don't think it's just about it. He's got

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Speaker 2: a lot of pride, so I don't think it's just

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Speaker 2: about the All Star thing. I think it's a bigger,

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Speaker 2: deeper picture, like that All Star thing, that that's a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame issue, Like the dude should be on

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Speaker 2: the All Star team. That's a fact. He's better than. However,

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Speaker 2: many pitchers have been named and or replaced and all

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Speaker 2: that he's better than a lot of them. He's one

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Speaker 2: of the top three four pitchers in baseball, number.

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Speaker 4: Number one since the number one, since he got here.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying even this year after I know that

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Speaker 2: he but I mean miss Rowski made the team last

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Speaker 2: year with five starts and was named. You know, this

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Speaker 2: guy has had a spectacular season and nobody cares about

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Speaker 2: wins and losses anyone. Was he ten and one? Now

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Speaker 2: nine one one? I mean nine and one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's the reason why the Phillies are back in this

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Speaker 2: thing and playing so well. He might be the single

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Speaker 2: greatest reason people could talk about the change in managerial

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Speaker 2: their managerial change now it's about him starting in their

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Speaker 2: rotation and setting that rotation back to where it's supposed

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Speaker 2: to be. And so there's so many factors here, and

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Speaker 2: I think long term, you know, he doesn't get named

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Speaker 2: for this All Star team. That's a resume issue. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's this guy who's got a chance to be a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer if you start to break down all

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Speaker 2: of his numbers and what he's done in his era.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kyle too, yeah, Kyle Swarber talked about that. He said,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's like, listen, he wanted to make this clear.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he goes alesch Warber being alech Warber, he said, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're all here to win the game, win games, and

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Speaker 1: win a World Series. That's our number one priority. But

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Speaker 1: when your career is over, you do want to look

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Speaker 1: back and see some of these accolades, in these awards

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Speaker 1: that you've won, to show that you've had a really

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Speaker 1: nice career. And kind of like Jim on Sunday morning,

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Speaker 1: when we were talking with Harper in Kansas City, we

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Speaker 1: said nine is pretty good. I mean he's like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's not enough, because at the end of his career,

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Speaker 1: Bryce Harper would love to have instead of nine time

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Speaker 1: All Star, he'd love to have thirteen time All Star

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Speaker 1: or fourteen time Allster, just like Zach Wheeler would like

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Speaker 1: to have five time All Star or six time All Star.

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Speaker 1: And that stuff does build your resume for a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame candidacy down the road if he ends up

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Speaker 1: pitching beyond this contract.

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Speaker 3: A couple things, A couple things. I think the cy

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Speaker 4: All Star birth in my opinion, and he's right in

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Speaker 4: the thick of this He's right, He's right in the

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Speaker 4: thick of this thing. And we talked about this recently.

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Speaker 4: It would be poetic justice because in what twenty one,

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Speaker 4: Burns wins it with one hundred and sixty five innings,

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Speaker 4: Wheels has two hundred and thirteen innings. Well, this year

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Speaker 4: his innings are going to be down a little bit.

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Speaker 4: And I think he's right in the thick of it

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Speaker 4: with you know, Sanchez and Misowski and Sale and who's

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Speaker 4: the Burns from Cincinnati. He's good and he can have

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Speaker 4: a finishing drive here and it just looks like it

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Speaker 4: started last night and he can win the Cy Young

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Speaker 4: And the other thing I wonder about, I just he

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Speaker 4: was named to the All Star team last year. He

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Speaker 4: was lining up to start that game, he opted to rest.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if major League Baseball that's in the back

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Speaker 4: of their mind and they said, you know what, last

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Speaker 4: year he.

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Speaker 3: Backed out, We're going to go in a different direction

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder, Yeah, that's not right. And you may

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Speaker 2: be right, but that's not right. I don't care what

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Speaker 2: they say. That's just not right. I mean, he opted

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Speaker 2: to take take that stance because he needed it, and

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Speaker 2: it was clear that he did need it. And I

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Speaker 2: just don't feel that that's the that would be a

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Speaker 2: reason to swipe the guy, to handslap him for that reason.

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Speaker 4: It's just not right the handslap or just shape there

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Speaker 4: thinking the fact that he was going to pitch on

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Speaker 4: Sunday wasn't gonna be But I think you name him

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Speaker 4: and you let him bow out because he's pitching on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Skeens is bowed out because he's pitching on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Miss Rowski is pitching on Sunday, He's not gonna be

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Speaker 4: able to pitch. You give him the honor, and especially

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Speaker 4: when you factor in the story behind it, coming back

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Speaker 4: from major surgery and and getting on a dominant track again,

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Speaker 4: it just totally adds to it all.

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Speaker 2: So he said.

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Speaker 1: So I asked him, if you pitch on Sunday, is

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Speaker 1: there any way that you could throw face a batter

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Speaker 1: on on Tuesday? Because I think that's the thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they need. I mean, you need pitchers that can pitch

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Speaker 1: in the All Star Game. You don't want to have

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Speaker 1: another fiasco where you know you're in the eighth inning

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Speaker 1: know you don't have enough bodies to pitch. So he said, yes,

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Speaker 1: I you know that would be like a bullpen day.

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Speaker 1: I usually feel good two three days after I start,

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Speaker 1: so I would be able to available to pitch. Now

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Speaker 1: here's the question, well would say? Major League Baseball said,

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Speaker 1: all right, if you can give it, if you can

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Speaker 1: promise you'll give us an inning, we'll name me to

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Speaker 1: the All Star team. Now what do the Phillies say?

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Speaker 3: That's why they made the rule.

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Speaker 2: I think the Phillies would allow him to do it.

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Speaker 2: If he wants to do it, he'll do it. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: he knows his body.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows his body.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know whether it's gonna have I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine up and now. But should it should?

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Speaker 4: I think they made the rule to protect pictures from themselves,

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Speaker 4: so I actually don't know that that could happen.

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Speaker 1: But there are Jimmy mcgra great point. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of pitchers who were snubbed at the All Star Game

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Speaker 1: went on to win Cy Young Awards. I'm just looking

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Speaker 1: at a story about this right now. Twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Blake Snell, Robbie Ray in twenty twe with the Blue Jays,

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Speaker 1: Jake Arietta in twenty fifteen with the Cubs. You know,

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Speaker 1: Felix Hernandez in twenty ten with the Mariners, Johann Santana

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and four with the Twins. Goes all

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Speaker 1: the way back to Greg Maddox in ninety three with

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Speaker 1: the Braves even I mean, well beyond that, Roger Clemens

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Speaker 1: eighty seven, nineteen eighty how about John Denny former Philly

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Speaker 1: John Denny nineteen eighty three, didn't make the All Star team,

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Speaker 1: win the Cy Young Awards. So lots and lots and

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Speaker 1: lots of pictures for this back Don Newcombe nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: six of the.

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Speaker 2: Dodgers, Don Newton, I played with it Sohn at Stanford?

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Really?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't. He didn't really have too many at bats,

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Speaker 2: Lieutenant hitting first basement.

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Speaker 4: Was he was he on the field when Jeffrey Leonard

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Speaker 4: hit that bomb?

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Speaker 2: He were there? May have been behind me, yeah, when

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Speaker 2: it took him like twenty minutes to get around the basis.

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Speaker 3: I love that story.

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Speaker 1: Is a great story. But yeah, so we'll see what

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Speaker 1: happens with Zach Wheeler. Probably nothing. He'll probably be watching

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Speaker 1: it from home, and you know what, if it motivates

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Speaker 1: him in the second half to keep going and doing

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Speaker 1: what he's doing, wouldn't it be something. Wouldn't it be something?

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Speaker 1: If he ran down the mizz and won a Cy

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Speaker 1: Young Award, that would be pretty wild. That would be

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Speaker 1: pretty wild.

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Speaker 2: So impossible. I mean, listen, he can have a listen

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Speaker 2: the way he's throwing the baseball right now. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's he's electric man, great stuff, but he doesn't have

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Speaker 2: great stuff, man, it's still electric.

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Speaker 1: It was just fun to watch the nipe just because

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Speaker 1: he struck out fourteen batters, a tied a career high,

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Speaker 1: no walks, and it's just struck struck out everybody with

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Speaker 1: all of his different pitches, and it was fun to

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Speaker 1: see him how he started early he went, he was

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Speaker 1: striking everybody out with his sweeper early. I think four

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Speaker 1: of his first five strikeouts were on a sweeper and

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Speaker 1: then his last three were on splitters. So you have

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Speaker 1: if you were a Cincinnati read last night, you don't

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Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on here?

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Speaker 4: Was that pitch has made a big difference. He's throwing

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Speaker 4: it more this year and he's really executing it. I

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Speaker 4: think of shilling when he added that splitter. Remember Ruben,

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Speaker 4: he became a different guy.

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Speaker 2: And he became basically unheittable there for a while, No doubt.

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Speaker 3: Brush that pitch up using it more in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years. It's got a.

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Speaker 2: Good grip on it. He feels comfortable with it, and uh,

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Speaker 2: that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber hit his thirty first home run of the season. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what was cool about that? Unusual about that? Do you

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Speaker 1: guys know why it was an unusual Kyle Schwarber home run?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, care to share rubin enlighten the people that aren't

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Speaker 2: Rarely does he swing at a three tozero pitch.

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Speaker 1: Rarely does Kyle swork.

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Speaker 2: And he got a lefty and he decided, guess what

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Speaker 2: I'm swinging on this three to zero pitch, and he

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Speaker 3: He crushed.

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Speaker 4: He didn't over swing, which a lot of times guys

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Speaker 3: He gave him a lyft last night.

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Speaker 4: Zach Wheeler gave him a list last lift last night

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Speaker 4: because Todd I thought they looked like a tired.

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Speaker 3: Team in Kansas City and they needed a little jolt.

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Speaker 1: They they did look a little tired, and even Don

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Speaker 1: mannically alluded to the debt before the game on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: was only the second time all season he swung in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the left hander the left handers laid in

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Speaker 2: there at ninety one point two. You know, that's the

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Speaker 2: problem with looking all the analytics and oh, he's never

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Speaker 2: analytics when you're standing in the box. Okay, you can't

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Speaker 2: predict shit all the time. You just can't. You want

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Speaker 2: to know why, because baseball is an unpredictable sport, and

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Speaker 2: So and yeah, so it's pretty pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So I MTSA see if I gotta throw this little

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Speaker 1: graphic up here. This is before Tuesday. You look at these.

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Speaker 1: This is Kyle Schwarber's career in three zero counts. And

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Speaker 1: I asked him, you know you had you don't swing

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Speaker 1: He only swings at a three oh pitch seven percent

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Speaker 1: And I said, why'd you kind of stop swinging? He's like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you've seen my numbers in three zero counts, you

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Speaker 1: know I don't hit very well for whatever reason. Well,

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Speaker 1: sure enough, his career batting average in three zero counts

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Speaker 1: that's in one hundred and ninety one played appearances. He's

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Speaker 2: And also, I mean, it's about passing the baton. It's

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Speaker 2: So I mean it's you know he and he mentioned

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Speaker 2: about scoring runs and driving in runs, and that's all

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Speaker 3: Todd any more intel on the Derby.

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Speaker 1: No, I nothing, nothing yet. But I still believe that Schwarber.

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Speaker 1: I think Schwarber is going to participate. No Harper, not

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Speaker 2: Yet. I think he's building all these chrescendoy He's going

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Speaker 2: to crescendo that at the end and then the Showman's

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's going to get one.

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Speaker 2: He's going to get one, and he's going to drive

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: My guess is he's going to go for that. Dino Ebel,

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Speaker 4: the third base coach of the Dodgers, who is an exceptional, exceptional,

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Speaker 4: Everybody likes Dino Abel. We'll see if his arm holds up,

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting name. That's an interesting name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Whatever can get brace Harper into the home runner it

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Speaker 1: would be great for Phillies fans and Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: You get it, Harper and Schwarber participating in the home

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Speaker 2: I did want to get into that one subject. You

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of different reasons. I think one is,

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Speaker 2: guess what, you can't put a lot of artificial pep

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Speaker 2: I guess, play as effectively in day games after night games.

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Speaker 2: And it's it is a thing. And so it's something

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Speaker 2: the reasons why Don Mattingly is probably you know, giving

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Speaker 2: And there's a reason for that. It's it's a long

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Speaker 1: Don Don did talk about it a little bit before

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Speaker 4: Something, yeah, like it's like you look at a season,

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Speaker 3: Yeah they did.

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Speaker 1: a bigger issue that kind of showed its head in

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, and that happened on Monday in the series

437
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Speaker 1: finale at Kaufman Stadium, and it happened in the first inning.

438
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Speaker 1: You know, Christopher Sanchez has a chance to get out

439
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Speaker 1: of an inning with an inning ending double play, Trey

440
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Speaker 1: Turner commits an error, five more runs score, and Christopher

441
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Speaker 1: Sanchez is on his way to have the worst start

442
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Speaker 1: of his career. Trey's defense has been an issue all

443
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Speaker 1: season long, and it I mean to me, it's it's

444
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Speaker 1: a concern moving forward as his team. You know you

445
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: need to get out, you know you gotta get you

446
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: gotta get out with this pitching staff.

447
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Speaker 4: Well, you say Christopher Sanchez had the worst start of

448
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: his career, you got to fix a huge asterisk to

449
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 4: that because that play changed the entire game, right, six

450
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 4: earned runs in the first inning. I mean, come on that.

451
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Speaker 4: That crushes your spirit as a as a team and

452
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Speaker 4: as a starting pitcher. And I think that had a

453
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Speaker 4: lot to do with Christopher Sanchez leaving those change ups

454
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Speaker 4: up on the zone. It crushed his spirit and he

455
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Speaker 4: would never say that, but you know he's human, and

456
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 4: you're right. Trade Turners defense has been an issue pretty

457
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 4: much the entire time he's been here. I mean, he

458
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 4: made forty errors his first two seasons here, did a

459
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 4: good job last year, really improved, but it's it's an

460
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 4: issue again this year and these plays rear their head,

461
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 4: these miscues rather had it, you know, very inopportune times,

462
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 4: and you just, you know, you hope it doesn't bite

463
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: them in big games down the road. We've talked about

464
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to investigate moving this guy to the

465
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Speaker 4: outfield at some point. I still believe that's the case.

466
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Speaker 4: But you know, he he flat out said, I have

467
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 4: to be more consistent for the guys that are on

468
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Speaker 4: the mound, at least, he said that. And he has

469
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Speaker 4: to do that because that's a crucial defensive position. And

470
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Speaker 4: when that ball is hit on the ground, you have

471
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Speaker 4: to know it's an out. When that, when you have

472
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Speaker 4: a double play to get out of an inning, when

473
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Speaker 4: your pitcher's bobbing and weaving a little bit, you got

474
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Speaker 4: to make the throw. And it's it's it's like this,

475
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 4: it's like a gnawing itch that kind of won't go away.

476
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Speaker 4: It's it's there in the back of your mind, and

477
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Speaker 4: you just you hope it doesn't bite them.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I liken it to you know, you

479
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: can win and lose a game in the first inning,

480
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: in the first pitch of big game, you can. I mean,

481
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: one pitch the first inning means just as much as

482
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Speaker 2: the ninth inning. And so it much in the same

483
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Speaker 2: way that Zach Wheeler was sort of propelled by the

484
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: great play by Derek Hill in centerfield on Soto's ball

485
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Speaker 2: in New York. That means the whole dynamic of that game.

486
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Speaker 2: He goes on, pitches his ass off, and they win

487
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Speaker 2: the ball game. Same way with this play, you can

488
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Speaker 2: lose the game. That's a groundball routine double play that

489
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: should have been an out. Kay Leon does not run

490
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Speaker 2: well and if he makes, if he plays catch the

491
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: game that the inning's over, you move forward, you possibly

492
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Speaker 2: win the game. Instead, it's a blowout. Now I'm not

493
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Speaker 2: saying that, I'm not giving it making an excuse for

494
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: Sanchez because he needs to pitch over that, right the

495
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: great ones will pitch over that. And then so and

496
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Speaker 2: I think that he I think he understands it. And

497
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Speaker 2: I give both these guys credit because they did. They

498
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Speaker 2: showed their accountability, like I have to make those plays

499
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: and and Trey Turner said that, and Sanchez said I

500
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: pitched like shit, So yes, and so they had accountability.

501
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: But those games can be won and lost. And it's

502
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 2: been ironic to me. And I know the numbers are

503
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: not great for Sanchez, obviously a big disparity on the road.

504
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: But the three games that really affected him with one

505
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: in Milwaukee, the game in a Nationals park, and then

506
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: this past game. All three of those games there were

507
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: plays that Trey Turner did not make or could not make,

508
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: not necessarily errors, but could not make that really changed

509
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 2: the dynamic of the game. Now you know, Trey Turner

510
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: has been a great baseball player in this league for

511
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: a long time, and he really improved last year. But

512
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: there if they that becomes a liability the player. He

513
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: has to make those plays at some point. If the

514
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: Phillies don't feel like those plays are being made, they

515
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: have to really consider, as you said, Jim, makeing a

516
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: change in that position because you cannot You cannot sustain

517
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: that either for the long term or the short short term,

518
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: particularly in a playoff situation. If you don't have the

519
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: trust of your shortstop to be able to make those

520
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: plays maybe some routine, maybe not quite so routine, but

521
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: routine for other shortstops who who are more accomplished, then

522
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: you have to consider, you know, making a change. I

523
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: feel badly for the guy, because the man wants to

524
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 2: be successful and who wants to work. He works at

525
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: it and all that stuff, But the reality of it is,

526
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: if he can't make those routine plays, then it makes

527
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: it very difficult for the team. It's not about Drey Turner.

528
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: It's about the team and making sure that that that

529
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Speaker 2: the team is benefiting from from his play.

530
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Speaker 4: You have to have a dependable shortstop. I mean, I

531
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: go back to the ninety three Phillies and and you know,

532
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: I remember Jim Fragosi telling me the story. You know,

533
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: Wan Bell was a shortstop. Everything was an adventure, and

534
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 4: one day Lee Thomas opened the door and said, you're

535
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: getting a new shortstop tomorrow, and Kevin Stalker showed up,

536
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: solidified the position, and they won the division.

537
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: You have to have a dependable shortstop.

538
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: No question about it.

539
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: But do you guys see anything like that happening this year?

540
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, j Bell is one thing. Tray Turner in

541
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: a three hundred million dollar contract is something entirely different,

542
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: isn't it.

543
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: It's a very very difficult conversation to have. Is it

544
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: a conversation that me, if I were in a GM seat,

545
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: would I consider having that conversation? Well? Possibly even in season,

546
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know, is now the time to talk

547
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: about it? For the All Star Break. Is it fair

548
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: to like throw this guy in the center field or

549
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: left field, or field or whatever the case may be,

550
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: change his position in the mid season after he hasn't

551
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: done it for years and years and expect him to

552
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: do okay. I mean, he's a great athlete and probably

553
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: could do it. Is that fair? I don't know, But

554
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: is a conversation that at least internally I would be having,

555
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: and perhaps at some point, I mean, you have to

556
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: be honest with the player. Listen, if this is really

557
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: gotten to the point where it's affecting the team and

558
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: their ability to have maximize their production, then it's a

559
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: difficult conversation that needs to be had.

560
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 4: Difficult, But I actually think he'd be a heck of

561
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: an outfielder. And every time I say that, somebody says, oh,

562
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: he doesn't have the arm. You know what I say

563
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: to that BS. In the infield, he slings everything and

564
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: he side arms everything. In the outfield, he would use

565
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: his back leg and he would throw more purely and

566
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: more fundamentally purely, and he'd get more power on the

567
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: ball because he'd get that push. I think he's he's

568
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: an incredible athlete. I think he'd be a very very

569
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: good outfielder. It might ease some stress, help them, help

570
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: them at the plate. It's something that is just it's

571
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: getting hard to hide from.

572
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for a team that needs to play deep

573
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: in October, you can't be having a guy out there

574
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: that can't make a play like you're right room. There's

575
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: so many times where it's been like a ball that

576
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: he has to charge in on and just just can't

577
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: finish the throw at first. You know, an infield single,

578
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: not an error, but it's an infield single. But you wonder,

579
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: you go, man, that play's got to be there.

580
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: And I mean especially an ouse and those. I mean

581
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: there is the residual and domino effect that's associated with it.

582
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: Right now, there's twenty extra pitches, there's forty extra pitches.

583
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: There's you have to use to bullpen too early, and

584
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: then you know the soft part of the soft spot

585
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: in in the Phillies. You know, pitching corps is their

586
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: middle relief. They're just not very good right now, and

587
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: so when you start stressing the bullpen, there's also so

588
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: many domino effects for not being able to play quality defense.

589
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why the teams like the

590
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: Cleveland and you know Guardians, I say Indians, Guardians and

591
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Brewers and all those teams, even Tampa Bay.

592
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: They play well defensively and so they win games. Pitching

593
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: in defense. It really helps, you know, it changes the

594
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: whole dynamic, changes the whole dynamic of the game and

595
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: the team and the season.

596
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: You give extra outsets blood in the water, and it

597
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: becomes a feeding frenzy. All the sharks come in. Next thing,

598
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: you know, boom, you know, six runs are on the board.

599
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: One last question for me for you guys, is are

600
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Speaker 1: you concerned with Ryan Kirkering his recent performances in the

601
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: in the a thing. It's now the second time in

602
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: his last four appearances that he's walked the bases loaded,

603
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: both times coming in the eighth inning, both times coming

604
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: with a save situation, meaning you know, lead of three

605
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: runs or less. But man, a.

606
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: Little bit, a little bit.

607
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's had a great season in

608
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Speaker 4: terms of bouncing back from a difficult October. And he

609
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: said he's got a lot of big outs for this team.

610
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: Very encouraging. But yeah, those those walking the bases full

611
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: two games, I mean last night. He is delivery at

612
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: times when he's walking. Guys there looked very rushed. He

613
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: was kind of pulling the ball, yanking the balls. Mechanics

614
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: seem to deteriorate a little bit. I don't know what's

615
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 4: going on, but all I know is the circle of

616
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: trust at the back end of the bullpen to me

617
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 4: is shrinking, and they need to address that. And one

618
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: of the ways they can address it is by you know.

619
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: I mean, Bowland got some big outs in Kansas City,

620
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: big out in Cincinnati on Tuesday night.

621
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Speaker 3: That's nice to see.

622
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Speaker 4: But they're gonna need O'Ryan to you know, avoid games

623
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Speaker 4: like he had like that and continue his progress upward

624
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 4: like he's shown kind of the majority of the season,

625
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 4: and also going to need i think, need to augment

626
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: from the outside. It's a bullpen to me has become

627
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: the number one need. I'm talking back end leverage, shut down,

628
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 4: protect that lead game over type. You know that compliments

629
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 4: the ultimate game over guy in Duran.

630
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: We'll bet brag Keller exctivated, so hopefully you can show

631
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: show some life before the all start break go ahead.

632
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 2: Well, I mean two things have to happen. Brad Keller

633
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: has to come back and be effective, and they have

634
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: to add a piece, because right now, there's as you

635
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: said there, you know, for Don Matting, they you trust

636
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 2: somebody to get three outs or two outs or even

637
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: one out in the eighth inning prior to and hold

638
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: the lead or keep the the game intact. It just

639
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: really isn't there right now. And you know, Ryan Kirkering

640
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: in the sixth and seventh lights out in the eighth

641
00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: tighter and tighter, not so much. Can he get there eventually, Yes,

642
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: I think he can. I think at some point he

643
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: will get over that hump. I mean, sometimes it takes

644
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: a while for guys to get to the point where

645
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: they're like, screw it, I'm just gonna go and throw

646
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: my best stuff, and I'm gonna throw it over the plate,

647
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: and I don't care whether it's gonna get hit or not.

648
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: It's going to be an out. That's a hard thing

649
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: to get over deep in the game. And until that happens,

650
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Speaker 2: they're going to have to get somebody that they feel

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Speaker 2: can do that. And I think that in particular from

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Speaker 2: the left side. I mean, it could be a right

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Speaker 2: hand or it could be a left he doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to get somebody you can really trust

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Speaker 2: in the eighth inning to get to get to get

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Speaker 2: three outs.

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Speaker 3: Or more time high Chapman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been talking about it forever. I mean we

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Speaker 2: we've talked about Chapman. I think I talked about that

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Speaker 2: what two months ago?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was too much.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, can you imagine having those two

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Speaker 2: guys and sometimes he's not even all that reliable, but

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Speaker 2: he's been there and done it, and he's made the

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Speaker 2: last picture of the season, and so yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'll take my chances with a guy like that. I

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Speaker 2: always talk with Pat Gillick about that, veterans in the bullpen,

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Speaker 2: young pictures in the starting rotation.

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Speaker 4: And he's been acquired twice late in seasons and both

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Speaker 4: those teams won the World Series. So I mean, there's

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Speaker 4: my question, what do you guys think, would he he's

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Speaker 4: been so good with Boston as the closer, would he

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Speaker 4: want to come and be a setup man because you

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Speaker 4: can't you can't touch the r in season, the performance

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Speaker 4: he's provided the.

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Speaker 3: Last it's a good question.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you probably have to get dig deep

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Speaker 2: into that and find out about his psyche. What is

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Speaker 2: it more important than him for him this in this stage,

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Speaker 2: for him to win a World Series or is it

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Speaker 2: more important for him to show the world I can

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Speaker 2: still be a closer. I'm not sure that's something I

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Speaker 2: don't know the person, I don't know the player, but

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Speaker 2: it's certainly something that you have to do some background

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Speaker 2: on and uh and and see whether that's a role

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Speaker 2: that he would consider, because you cannot take Joan Durant

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Speaker 2: out of his rop. He's as good as it gets

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Speaker 2: no no disrespect to Mason over there in San Diego.

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Speaker 2: But the reality of it is no, no, no disrespect

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Speaker 2: to him. But I'll take Joan Durant every time.

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Speaker 1: I would like to think that a guy like Eeraldas

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Speaker 1: Chapman has been around the book, he's won a World Series,

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Speaker 1: has been a closer forever. Would look at see the situation,

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Speaker 1: Philly Go, that's one of like two guys I would

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Speaker 1: set up for. Yeah, not coming into a situation where

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Speaker 1: it's you know, get no disrespect, it's Jeff Hoffman and

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Speaker 1: Matt Strom in the back of the bullpen. You're like, wait,

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Speaker 1: I'm setting up for these guys, right, I'm Eeraldi's Chapman.

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Speaker 3: You would think, so good point, Yeah, yeah, what about that?

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Speaker 3: What about that?

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Speaker 4: Aj Mintor with the Mets. The Mets is soon gonna

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Speaker 4: put a for sale sign on a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Also a great, a great, a great idea. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: you know sometimes you have to go to plan B,

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Speaker 2: C or D and if you can't get the best

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Speaker 2: one that doesn't match up. I mean, I'm sure that

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Speaker 2: Dave Nebrawski and his people, Mike Goo and his people

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Speaker 2: are out there sniffing around just as much as possible

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Speaker 2: to see what what they can do for this, For

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Speaker 2: this bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Just got to make some sort of upgrade, you guys, Ruben,

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Speaker 1: You guys whiffed in two thousand and eight with C. C. Sabathia,

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Speaker 1: but you got Joe Blanton and he helped it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big time.

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Speaker 2: You made us marginally better again. You have to go

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Speaker 2: to plan B and C and D, and we ended

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Speaker 2: up getting somebody who could eat some innings and had

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Speaker 2: some cojones, right, you had some cojones and and uh

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Speaker 2: and did a decent job for us. And then he

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Speaker 2: ended up hitting a freaking home run, which is kind

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Speaker 2: of cool because I think he might be enjoying our

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Speaker 2: slug ball competition. He may be joining us.

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Speaker 1: Todd, look at that how about.

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Speaker 2: That maybe joining us on the on the eighth of August.

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Speaker 2: Are you boys coming, You're you're officially invited to come

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Speaker 2: join us.

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Speaker 1: I would love to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be there.

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Speaker 2: I love to see your faces there at Michael john Field.

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Speaker 2: I guess is Tom Assorta. I don't uh. We're working

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Speaker 2: on a couple of other guys, Aaron Rowan as one

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Speaker 2: of them might as well. So there's a few guys.

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Speaker 2: I am still working on some big names. Still working

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Speaker 2: on J row how about a still working on still

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Speaker 2: working on No not a Rod, Still working on a

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Speaker 2: couple of guys, maybe the Flying Hawaiian. Oh there, working

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Speaker 2: on J. Dubb anyway, I don't know if that's gonna happen,

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Speaker 2: but we're we're those guys have other responsibilities, but we

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Speaker 2: have some really good names and that we're we're excited

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. It'll be a good event. Guys.

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Speaker 2: That was gentlemen to be there at eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I can I hit now, we want to hit. We're

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Speaker 3: not coming if we can't hit.

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Speaker 2: All right, we have the original wheels and yeah, friend,

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Speaker 2: our good friend Leslie Goodell, I think are going to

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Speaker 2: both be announcing that's cool.

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Speaker 3: Right, you mean Chris Wheels Wheeler.

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Speaker 2: Chris Wheels Wheeler, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Somebody. I'm not going to name the person, but somebody

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Speaker 1: yesterday goes, why do you guys always say Zach Wheels Wheeler?

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Speaker 1: And I said, because it's silly, and because it's fun

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Speaker 1: and it makes.

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Speaker 3: Us look silly. It's good to be silly exactly, So

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Speaker 3: it be.

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Speaker 2: Silly, you can't be.

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Speaker 1: That's that's right, Philly Show. We'll be back later this week.

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Speaker 3: Smell your later.

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