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Speaker 1: searching for a sixteen year old girl missing in Monto County,

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Speaker 1: east of Yosemite National Park. Card goose was last seen

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Speaker 1: locate her. Carly described to be five seven pounds with

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Gray. So we are

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Speaker 1: trying to find answers in the disappearance of a gorgeous

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Speaker 1: young girl, Carly Goosey. We know that investigators have searched

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Speaker 1: out of it all right? Thank you? You are hearing

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Speaker 1: the stepmother of missing Carly Goosey. That is Melissa Goo Say,

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Speaker 1: Is that stepmm? Melissa Goo say and the bio dad

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Speaker 1: some answers to try to get her found. Joining me

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Speaker 1: right now, Robin will Lynskey, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Where we are on this, bringing you the very latest

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Speaker 1: updates by the hour on Crime online dot Com. She's

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Speaker 1: also an author of The Beautiful Life The c S

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Speaker 1: I behind the Casey Anthony Trial. Robin will Leski, you

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Speaker 1: and I have seen a lot of investigations and let

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Speaker 1: me just tell you something, Robin. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: right now what John, David and Lucy even had in

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Speaker 1: their snack and what was in their backpack, the whole

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Speaker 1: ship bang, right down to their socks. Okay, maybe I'm crazy,

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Speaker 1: and I own it. I own that. But They're all

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Speaker 1: I've got and I'm gonna know everything i can about them,

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Speaker 1: protect them, watch them, the works. I'm not taking away

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Speaker 1: from these parents. Maybe they're doing that in their own way.

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Speaker 1: Plus there get as a team, all right. I imagine

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Speaker 1: it's gonna get harder as the years go by. But

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Speaker 1: I want to know, Robin, what you believe the facts

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Speaker 1: really are, what is going on, because none of this

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Speaker 1: is making sense to me. Yeah, I'm with you. I

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of a different take on the

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Speaker 1: than and your other guests. I think that the biological mother,

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Speaker 1: it sounds to me that she was not there. Clearly

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Speaker 1: she may have known of dysfunction in the home if

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Speaker 1: her daughter was unhappy with the stepmother. There's no consistency

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Speaker 1: to anything. And here's another thing, and I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to go to Dr Brian on this. When I was

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Speaker 1: talking to Melissa and Zachary and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I could detect it or not. With the mother, the

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Speaker 1: bio mom. Usually parents are like falling over trying to

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Speaker 1: give you all the facts that they possibly can. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I felt like I was pulling teeth. I felt like

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Speaker 1: it was a kind of a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: confrontation trying to get facts out of the stepmother and

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Speaker 1: the dad. On the other hand, Brian, they may have

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Speaker 1: felt like they've been under attack, all right, So, and

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Speaker 1: they're responding in that way when anybody's in a corner

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Speaker 1: and there to attack, they come out defensive, right. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the truth of that is. But

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Speaker 1: I look, I'm a j D. I'm not a d D. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to pull teeth. Okay. So I

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Speaker 1: was having a hard time getting facts. Well, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that the difficulty that everybody hurts you having is the

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Speaker 1: thing that that is so curious. I mean, you and

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Speaker 1: I have talked to a lot of parents, sadly unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: whose kids have actually gone missing due to actual abduction

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Speaker 1: and foul play. They sound desperate to give us every

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Speaker 1: piece of information that could possibly help find their child.

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Speaker 1: They want to take a lie detector to rule themselves out.

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Speaker 1: They want to give an inventory of the clothes. They

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Speaker 1: want to get an accurate timeline. But if we really

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Speaker 1: have witnesses saying they saw the girl outside the house,

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Speaker 1: then it really doesn't matter if she had underwear, jeans

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Speaker 1: or whatever on in the house. She left the house

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Speaker 1: of her own under her own power. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: to me that's a runaway. Yeah, I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: And it's again, whenever I have family members of somebody missing,

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Speaker 1: they are beside themselves trying to give you facts. And

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Speaker 1: and also, I mean, you know, my model is always

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Speaker 1: smart class. I mean, that guy practically laid on the

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Speaker 1: courthouse steps begging for people to take his polygraph, takes DNA, dagas, fingerprints,

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Speaker 1: whatever to to help. Okay, um, in this case, maybe

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Speaker 1: they all feel guilty, or maybe they all feel attacked

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Speaker 1: in some way by you know, media, by everybody. So

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Speaker 1: maybe that explains it all. But I would be in

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Speaker 1: there going through her clothes trying to find out what's missing,

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Speaker 1: trying to find out where if the shoes are there,

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Speaker 1: so I could get an accurate description of what she's wearing. Also,

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Speaker 1: the cell phone joining me right now. In addition to

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Speaker 1: Robert Willinski, Joseph S. Gott Morgan and Dr Brian Russell

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Speaker 1: Is our crime online investigative reporter and journalists Lee Egan

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Speaker 1: Lee tell me one thing off the bat is have

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Speaker 1: those three witness ideas in the neighborhood being confirmed by police.

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Speaker 1: We did confirm with Sheriff Ingrid Braun with the Mono

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department in California, that three different people did

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Speaker 1: indeed say that they saw someone who looked like Carly

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Speaker 1: walking through her neighborhood early morning October. Now, two of

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Speaker 1: those people live inside the neighborhood, and then the other

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Speaker 1: person lives outside of the neighborhood and said he saw

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Speaker 1: her around a mile away from her neighborhood by a

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Speaker 1: barbed To our offence, two of the people have never

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Speaker 1: met Curly before, so they wouldn't know who she was

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Speaker 1: if they saw her, but they did give a description

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Speaker 1: of the person that they saw which matched Carle's description.

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Speaker 1: The other person that has met Carley before said that

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Speaker 1: they could not be sure it was her, but it

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Speaker 1: was somebody that looked like her. Tipline seven six zero

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Speaker 1: nine three to seven five four nine, Hold on stop everything.

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Speaker 1: We have got breaking news out of a d C

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Speaker 1: jury trial the so called mansion murderer who allegedly breaks

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Speaker 1: into a home many people believe, under the disguise of

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Speaker 1: delivering a pizza and wipes out almost the entire Savopolos family,

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Speaker 1: the mom, the dad, the ten year old little boy,

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Speaker 1: and the housekeeper for what we now are learning, the

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Speaker 1: jury return a verdict. First, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: The trial went on for about six weeks and took

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Speaker 1: the jury about a day and a half to go

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Speaker 1: through all the evidence, and they returned with their verdict.

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Speaker 1: The judge brought the jury in. They had the foreman

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Speaker 1: stand and then had the jurman foreman go through the

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Speaker 1: twenty counts in the indictment, and it was guilty on

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Speaker 1: every single count. Darren went stood next to his defense attorneys.

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Speaker 1: He was dressed in a dress, shirt and a tie.

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Speaker 1: He bowed his head as he was listening to the guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty,

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Speaker 1: one after another. Afternoon straight out Now to Alan, do

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Speaker 1: you joining me, Allen? What happened in that courtroom? Well,

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Speaker 1: there was some blockbuster testimony. First, a little background. Savasavopolis,

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Speaker 1: his wife Amy, their ten year old son Philip, their housekeeper,

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Speaker 1: found beaten, strangled, stabbed to death inside this mansion in

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Speaker 1: north west Washington, d C. Back in May of first

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Speaker 1: investigators thought several people were involved, but then finally they

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Speaker 1: arrested Darren Went, the only person arrested in charge. It

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Speaker 1: took him three years to build their case against Wit,

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Speaker 1: the case relying heavily on DNA evidence, including some DNA

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Speaker 1: taken from pizza crust that was ordered apparently during the incident.

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Speaker 1: Some eyewitness testimony at the trial was far from definitive,

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Speaker 1: but it was forensic scientists testifying that Wentz DNA was

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Speaker 1: found on the pizza crust and also in a vest,

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Speaker 1: a green vest that was found inside the family's Porsche

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Speaker 1: that he stole from the house and set fire in

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Speaker 1: Prince George's County in Maryland. A lot of bombshell testimony.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Went took the stand in his own defense.

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Speaker 1: His brother's Stefan Went, and his half brother Darryl, who

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Speaker 1: helped investigators, testified against him. His former fiance his brother

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Speaker 1: in law, also testified against him. Jordan Wallace, who worked

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Speaker 1: as an assistant for the family, took the stand and

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Speaker 1: spoke publicly for the first time since he was asked

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Speaker 1: to hand deliver forty dollars in ransom to the home.

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Speaker 1: You know, one family member was not at home, the

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Speaker 1: other child. Her life has been totally devastated. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any such thing as closure in a case

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Speaker 1: like this, but I pray to God at least she

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Speaker 1: feels some sense of justice. All we can do now

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Speaker 1: is pray for remaining family and to the so called

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Speaker 1: mansion murderer. Wrought in Hell. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,