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Speaker 1: being sold stuff absolutely, even though it's self aware of

427
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: itself totally. It's not trying to hide anything, but we're

428
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: being because Devil is brought it. It's still glamorous and shiny. Yeah,

429
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: and you also think about all of the industry by

430
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: in that it has because they were able to pull

431
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: from real designers and the real fashion people and to

432
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: the premier product. Um. So, like it is very interesting

433
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: that it's supposed to be this like this critique of

434
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: the industry, and yet the industry is fully behind it

435
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day is still an

436
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: ad for And it like reminds me of that line

437
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: that Miranda Priestly says at the end, like everyone wants

438
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: to be us, and like that's it's true. You leave

439
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: the movie, you leave the movie being like, okay, sure,

440
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you know, Andy quit or whatever kind

441
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: of going. She gave all the clothes to Emily Blunt,

442
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: who deserved but in the book she sells all the clothes,

443
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: which I don't support that stupid. I mean, you would

444
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: make a lot of money because but like I don't know,

445
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Nori, did you ever work in like media media,

446
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: Like did you ever write, Like, did you ever like

447
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: write for publications or working only only freelance? I've written

448
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: for Vogue, Um yeah, just like but just freelance. Carrie

449
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: Bradshaw tease Cary Bradshaw here. Yeah, Rose and I are

450
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: trying and true recovering media girls. Rose Rose famously was

451
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: my boss. I was I mean not, you know, not

452
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: in what we would call traditional media. I think, you know,

453
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: probably post media, that kind of new media where editorial

454
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: people are going over to tech. But you know, fran

455
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: and I did spend years as um like editorial people,

456
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 1: as as editorial people in like real editorial, like writing clickbait, um,

457
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: you know, and it's so much less glamorous than anyone

458
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: would ever imagine, because there's nothing glamorous about clickbait and

459
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: traffic margins. You know, like we never we never had

460
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: the experience of or at least I never had the

461
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: experience of working at like a big company like Conde,

462
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: and Austin knows if that would have been different, But

463
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I still think it's like kind of the same everywhere,

464
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: and like, especially when you're at a freelancing level, you know,

465
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: you're just like still off in your own space, like writing.

466
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: Like at least my time in you know media was

467
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: either writing a home and like writing gay clickbait, or

468
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: being in an office where it was like all fluorescent

469
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: lighting and no one was getting paid well and people

470
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: were suing the owners of the company. We didn't work

471
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: at Coney, but even working at Cone day, like they're

472
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: only very few number of people at the company have

473
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: access to the glamour that's in that you know, obviously

474
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: culture cyclical. I kind of think that kind that thing

475
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: might have a resurgence, or at least I feel like

476
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: print media might come back. No girl, Yeah, no, I've

477
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: watched so many different print resurgences, and I will tell

478
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: you it's never coming back. Do you remember the dead

479
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: Books are garbage, magazine are toilet paper? To remember the

480
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: pivot to video moment in media where every media company

481
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: laid off tons of employees and pivoted to video because

482
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: Google was literally lying about data that it had a

483
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: Facebook ads to every single company that I was working on. Yeah,

484
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: I was. I was reading an article about this because

485
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: I read an article about Hot Ones, the show where

486
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: celebrities go on and eat really um, and they were

487
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: talking about how that was born out of that era

488
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: and media where everyone wanted to pivot to video, and

489
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: it's like the only successful thing that ever came out

490
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. I hate. The worst thing about that

491
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: is making these like YouTube like idiots, like celebrities like

492
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: that to me is like that was one of the

493
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: like the four horsemen of the apocalypse. Charles, I was

494
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: like once they started to become like invited to the

495
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: met gal and stuff like that, Yeah, it's just like,

496
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's over. I was like, it's over.

497
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: These are like children who are like so on iconic

498
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: and just like just young, like it's just their youth.

499
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: So that the devil Is product took place in what

500
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: would it even be? Like I'm not saying who would

501
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: be in it, but like what would it be? Because

502
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: that world doesn't exist? So would it be like all

503
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: these girls working from home? So would they be at

504
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: a tech company? It could start. What I'm thinking is

505
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: like Miranda Priestley, they've pivoted to video and she needs

506
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: someone who knows that she needs a content creator. And

507
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: Andy is like that content creator, but was doing like

508
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: used car videos before, like you know what I mean,

509
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: Like yeah, she's yeah, and she's doing like thrifts. Yeah,

510
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: and now she's like she's she's a lesbian. She's a lesbian.

511
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: She makes she makes Taylor Swift lesbian conspiracy and that's

512
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: her life and her true passion. She doesn't care about

513
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: this fashion stuff. And then they're like, now you have

514
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: to start making fashion videos and she's surprisingly really good

515
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: at it. Um and she can fem it up. She

516
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: fends it up, and it was like, what's happening? And

517
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: also obviously in this version she she um and Miranda

518
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: fuck they because Miranda trouble at home or Emily Blunt.

519
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think that would make more Well, I

520
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: think she and Emily Blunt like have a friends with

521
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: benefits situation where Emily Blunt like does secretly love her

522
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: but it's still very casual. But then you know, Miranda

523
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: comes in as the mommy figure um and it's like

524
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: three ways, you know. Yeah, and then like instead of

525
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: going to like fashion Week, they're like, Okay, you're going

526
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: to south By Southwest, We're sending you to Coach, You're

527
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: going to can Yes exactly. I wanted to ask, Sorry,

528
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: this is like very much backing up, but what are

529
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: the words that bait gay people the most for clickbait?

530
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Like what what is the biggest bait for that is? Yeah,

531
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: that is a really good question. Sex stuff, but not

532
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: explicit sex stuff, Okay, like you can say, you know,

533
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to think of an exactle because

534
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: because we would we would always think about like what's

535
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: the perfect headline for like S E O and then

536
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: also like in the actual U r L, like what

537
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: are the words? So I think the so Fran and

538
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I used to work at Out magazine and we worked

539
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: in digital and print as well, But I think some

540
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: of the most popular stories of all time were like

541
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: top two hundred gay sex things to try something like that, um,

542
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: and like eleven twelve steps to like having anal Like,

543
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: so it's just like a Cosmo. You're telling me that, Like,

544
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: we haven't evolved past like a cosmo. Yeah. And then

545
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: and then, of course anything that makes people angry, which

546
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: so I had. I had an article that god really

547
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: infamously went viral and it's probably still going viral right now,

548
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: and it was dear gay men, stop telling women they

549
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: can't go to gay bars. So any time any time

550
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: you say, dear someone, you can't do this thing that

551
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: you want to do, um is it was horrible. There

552
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: are still people who like email me about it, slide

553
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: into my Linkedins comment tweets. Yeah, because it's the kind

554
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: of article that gets resurfaced every six to nine months

555
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: and makes people mad and like obviously they don't read it.

556
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: They only read the headline, um, and they're like, oh,

557
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: like we don't want bachelorette parties and gay bars, and

558
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: like the article was obviously like um, also queer women

559
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: go to gay bars, so like, don't tell them they

560
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: can't be there. But you know, I as a former journalist,

561
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't stand behind literally anything I wrote. And there

562
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: are whenever there are hundreds of articles out on the

563
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: Internet that have my name on it. It's very terror

564
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: read like there's naked pictures of me on the internet

565
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: from cruel intentions. And I mean there's also naked pictures

566
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: of me on the internet, but I feel worse about

567
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: the clickbait, and I would like it all scrubbed, scrubbed.

568
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I missed the era of writing when everything was paper

569
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: and we didn't have to worry about the eternal archive

570
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: that we now have of work that we're no longer

571
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: proud of. Well, that's why it was. That's why it

572
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: was nice to work in social media for you know,

573
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: tech overlords, is that you're nothing has your name on it.

574
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 1: It's all just tweets. You don't have to sign them.

575
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: That's nice, that is nice. One of the best performing

576
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: tweets ever. The page that I used to run, that

577
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: I used to write for was gay people are some

578
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: of the gayest people you will ever meet, which is

579
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: so funny, and it's like it has like likes. It's

580
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: so stupid, it really is, right, that is it. You

581
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: have to get paid to do dumb What does that

582
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: even mean? That's that's honestly the problem with the Double

583
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: Worst Products. They took themselves way too seriously. Actually, like

584
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: fashion in general, I'd be curious to hear more about

585
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: like your where, how you started in fashion, and like

586
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: what your relationship to it now is, because like that movie,

587
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: obviously it's an exaggeration, but like fashion really is that horrible?

588
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: Everyone is that mean, everyone's like a fucking fascist, Like

589
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: everyone has no allegiance to anything outside of capitalism, and

590
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: it's like so I don't know, it's and it's like

591
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: extremely racist, queer phobic, fat phobic. And they thrive on exclusivity,

592
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: you know. And it's like like the whole gaslight Gatekeepe,

593
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: girl Boss, Yes, and the theme at the end to

594
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: be like everyone wants to be us. Like that is

595
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: the ethos of Vogue and all the brands trying to

596
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: be Vogue. Because everyone is trying to be Vogue. It's

597
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: like you because you don't belong to this thing, we

598
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: are forever going to make a profit, like I one

599
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: of the one of the first. So when I when

600
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: I was at narciss so like there was one um

601
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: because I interned there, and there was one intern who

602
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: was so wealthy and like so rich like some his

603
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: dad was like some Swiss like banker or something, and

604
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: like it was it became so real to me that

605
00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: like the way that we like subscribe like like morality

606
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: to like affluence or like like people who are affluent

607
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: are like are better or like somehow like just like

608
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: better people or just like that's what we do. And

609
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: like the way that everyone just like loved him and

610
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: just like we're obsessed with him and like because he

611
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: was just rich, like truly because he was rich, and

612
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: like that was one of my first like oh, like okay,

613
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: this is this is what this is, like this is

614
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: what's going on. Like and if that sounds so like,

615
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: I'm not naive, like obviously I always knew that, and

616
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: but it was still like in my first time, I

617
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: was like so in my face of like he's not

618
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: more talented than I am. He's not, but just because

619
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: he's like fucking rich, he was the only one of

620
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: us who actually got hired like to the team, because

621
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: because he had all these connections and like he could have,

622
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: he was able to bring so much more than just

623
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: his like skills at a job because of his connections

624
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: and network. And you know what I mean, A lot

625
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: of people What a lot of people don't get about

626
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: these industries, like fashion, like media, like entertainment, is the

627
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: people who succeed are usually the people who have some

628
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of you know, class privilege that allows them to

629
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: work for free for long enough to work their way

630
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: up the ladder. That's how it works. Even you know,

631
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: now being in Hollywood in the business like you see

632
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: that people in you know, like content positions executives are

633
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: people who started there, you know, their professional careers as

634
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: interns because for some reason they were able to work

635
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: for free for like five and then yet they still

636
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: want to split the lunch bill, you know what I mean,

637
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: like put it on the corporate card, babe. They still

638
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: send you the venom requests after and you're like, are

639
00:37:50,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: you sure? In Double Works product, when Miranda Preseas coming

640
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: to the office for the first time and there's a

641
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: montage of all the employees freaking out I actually I

642
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: empathize and relate to the most. So there's this very

643
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: plain Jane looking woman who's wearing sneakers and then she

644
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: like puts those away and then puts on heels. I

645
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: actually like really related to her because I was like,

646
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: you know what, she lives in Jersey, Like she she

647
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: takes that path every day, she takes the path she

648
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: gets in. She has she has like maybe a family maybe,

649
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: like she's the first person who went to college maybe,

650
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: and then she she's in there, she has her tennis

651
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: shoes on and then she puts she puts on the

652
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: high heels. Like I'm like, that's who I worked with,

653
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: like all the people at because after Narsis so, I

654
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: also was at Michael Cores and like for for the

655
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: for the main line, I'm so sorry for the for

656
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: the main no diffusion lines, no top floor project run.

657
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: Working with Michael, he's actually great, He's wonderful and so

658
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: basically like all the women I worked with in that

659
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: for the women's wear aligned, they are from a working

660
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: class background, like they were like, it's like the people

661
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: who who are in those businesses and who actually do

662
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: the work and make it happen are people from like

663
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: middle and low class backgrounds who had this dream of

664
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: like working in fashion, but their lives are very normal

665
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: and like they didn't dress like luxurious or like they

666
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: were wearing like very basic clothing, you know what I'm saying.

667
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: Like like the all these glamorous industries are run by

668
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: very like non glamorous people. But you have to think

669
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: about the you know, the iceberg of it all, Like

670
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: we only see the part that sells us, the thing,

671
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: the part that makes everyone wants to be us. Um,

672
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: but you it, there's the bottom of the iceberg is

673
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: full of just normal people and everyone who is not visible.

674
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Like there's this huge like swell of resentment around all

675
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: the people that do get to like inherit all the

676
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: glam and they get all the free gifts and they

677
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 1: get in and who do very little of the work,

678
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: do very little of the work and take all the vacations.

679
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Um, yeah, it's it's I mean,

680
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: you and I are no stranger to like being the

681
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: people that are doing no And that's why you know,

682
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: like as as a journalist, like when you're working in media,

683
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: you take as much of the glamour as you can get.

684
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: You take the press trips and the free pr because

685
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: you're getting paid nothing, and so you have to like

686
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: find some way for it to make sense. And also

687
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: you learn very quickly to look down on the people

688
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: who are in the wrong below you. And like that

689
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: thing you were talking about earlier about like that everything

690
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: being kind of powered by working class people that have

691
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: a dream, Like that's why Ugly Betty is so good.

692
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch it? Ye oh my god? That

693
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean Rose and I talked about all the time.

694
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna obviously do a whole episode on it someday

695
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: because it's so important to us. But like Betty showing

696
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: up to that space like as herself from Queens wearing

697
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: the fucking poncho, probably wearing sneakers like that is like

698
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: was my dream. And I also, like I remember my

699
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: commune from Brooklyn to like my published My first publishing

700
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: job in New York was an hour like and I

701
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: remember wearing gym shoes to the office and then changing

702
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: into like my night shoes once I got there. So

703
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: I never did that. I wore I either wore sneakers

704
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: the whole time, or I, like you know, wasn't pay

705
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: in the whole time I committed to the bit. And

706
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: this was right when I started wearing exclusively black, which

707
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: was also very like you know, me trying to be

708
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 1: fashion girl like you did. You did have a black era.

709
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: I had a black era where like I literally only

710
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: wore black. If you open up my closet was like

711
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: a cartoon closet. It's the same as you. I'm color blind,

712
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: and so it's like like worry about in the morning.

713
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't have to mix and match stuff.

714
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: And also, I mean it's a good way to like

715
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: invisibilize your outfit so people don't like, you know, judge

716
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: you for what you're wearing. And also it's easy to

717
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: make black clothes like look expensive. It's fashion. There's that

718
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: whole kind of like myth that you know all the

719
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: designers like they don't care what they wear and they're

720
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: just like they have a uniform, they wear the same

721
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: thing every day, and like, I'm sure that's true of

722
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: some designers, but I want to be that used to

723
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: sweet she like I always was obsessed with her and

724
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: looked up to her because there's nothing more powerful than

725
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: like an ugly woman who's like who's at the top.

726
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: Of her game and who doesn't give a fuck, Like

727
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: she never has makes She's like bare faced wearing like

728
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: god knows what, and she has the most. She makes

729
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: the most fabulous beautiful clothes, Like I like, that's what

730
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: I aspire to be somebody. It's like I when I

731
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: go I'm in a writer's room, and like when I

732
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: go to work, I look like absolute complete ship and

733
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: it feels like power. I feel powerful because I'm like no,

734
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna like I'm here because I'm talented, not

735
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: because of what I look like. I saved that for

736
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: you know what, when I when I need to like

737
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: look good, I look good, but like if you're not

738
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: paying me to look good, I'm going to be ugly absolutely,

739
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: and that is that is what it is. It's like

740
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: you all, I'm only putting work into my appearance when

741
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: it's making me money. I'm not doing free. Yeah. I

742
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: feel like with Grace like that she was never she

743
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: used to be a model and like she was she

744
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: was a model and then she was like a car

745
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: accident or have you ever seen Grace Coddington in the wild? Yes,

746
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: I have one twice and they were both you fork experiences.

747
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Once was on the subway, was on the A train

748
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: going downtown, and then the other time was seeing portrait

749
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: of a lady on fire at Angelica. That's amazing. I'm

750
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: so glad she's I used to work at a Ghosian

751
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: gallery in New York. Once I hated the Once I

752
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: was like, I can't do this anymore. Fashion is horrible,

753
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: but I still wanted that toxic experience. I was like, yeah,

754
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to do an art gallery.

755
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: So then I started working at a ghos End and

756
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: like that was and that was the true buffoonery of

757
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: at all was working and that was like did you

758
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: ever watch Gallery Girls? I did, which none of those

759
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: girls ever you know, they're they're like pariahs. They would

760
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: never actually make it. But also that that TV show

761
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: and I think like that, like art Gallery World does

762
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: feel very post Devil Worce product because also it wasn't

763
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: wasn't Goosian kind of part of the Nanny Diaries in

764
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: some way. I think maybe I think maybe the mom

765
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: worked there. Um, but Gallery Girls for the Virgin Okay.

766
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: Gallery Girls was the show on Bravo only lasted for

767
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: one season and season and it was about a bunch

768
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: of girls who worked at different right galleries. It was

769
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: trying to do for the New York art scene what

770
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: Devil Worce product did for the fashion scene. And so

771
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: there were like a couple of different camps. There were

772
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: the girls who worked at like who were trying to

773
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: be like Southern best girls. Um. There were the girls

774
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: who worked at like the downtown art galleries like goes In.

775
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: And then there were the Brooklyn girls who had like

776
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: opened up this space on the Lower East Side that

777
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: was by my old apartment, and they were like, awful,

778
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: There's this girl, Shantala, who's like a monster, a monster.

779
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: She's either dead or in prisons. And I will say,

780
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: the reason why that show didn't work is because the

781
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: art world is shrouded in secrecy, and they don't they'll

782
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: they'll never like, if you really are in, you are

783
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: never going to to share what is actually happening, because

784
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: the art world really is just like money laundering business.

785
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: It's it's and I've witnessed that. I can't remember if

786
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: I signed NDA or not, but I don't care. But

787
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: like basically, like I would witness things where like you know,

788
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, Larry would tell Larry goes In is the

789
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: owner and he he has been accused of like controlling

790
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: the art market and whatever, and I've witnessed stuff like

791
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: that where like, you know, there's there was a famous

792
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: artist that he represented, maybe at the time. I don't

793
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: know if he still represents this person or not, but um,

794
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: he was on the phone and he was like he

795
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: was like, stop making green, nobody fucking buys green. Start

796
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: painting red, red, red, red, and then like hung up

797
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: because yes, and like literally he would tell yes and

798
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: these painting self and like, to me, the art world

799
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: was so much more fabulous than the fashion world because

800
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: they're one of my favorite women I worked for. Her

801
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: name was Valentina, and she is proud as muse and

802
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: so every well one of her muses. And every day

803
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: she would be head to toe proughtuct fresh off the runway,

804
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: not in stores, and just like just like so chic

805
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: and so so hungry. They were all like I mean

806
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: this this part is not very fabulous, just eating disorder,

807
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: were like really hard. Like I worked for another I

808
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: was the assistant of a few women and um, of

809
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: course they put the little twink. They're like, okay, twink,

810
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: Like like no one was gay, that everyone was straight.

811
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: I was the only that I was like the only

812
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: gay at my where I was working, and um, they

813
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: put me with all the like women or whatever. But

814
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: of course they put me with the women, and like

815
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: of course, and like there was this one like god

816
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: like she was so um fragile, like she had just

817
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: gone brittle, brittle, frag she had just gone. She was

818
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: going through a divorce. She was like on something. Always

819
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: daily blowout, blow out, every single every day to lunch

820
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: instead of eating, she'd get to blow out. And I

821
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: would always I'd go to Saint and do you for

822
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: got to stand in bros The like it's on the

823
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: upper side. It's like it's like these little sandwiches. They're

824
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: like very expensive. But like I'd always go and like

825
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: get her these little sandwiches and like try to get

826
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: her to eat, and she'd be like, nothing tastes as

827
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: good as dry bar feet. Yes, but she was so

828
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: delicate and fragile, and I just wanted to like save

829
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 1: her from herself. Can't But I couldn't. Got the easy culture.

830
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: That's also obviously a huge part of the divorce. How

831
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: they're always talking about how Anne Hathaway is fat and

832
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: calling her the biggest insult is calling her a six

833
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: six Can you believe? Can you believe she's she's so thin?

834
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: I think she she at the time, did she gain

835
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: weight for the role? I think she might have talked

836
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: about gained I'm doing for the role. And she looked

837
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: so fucking good. Oh my god, her she I mean,

838
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: that was her role. That was Anne Hathaway. That was

839
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: the beginning. I do think there were a couple of

840
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: their women who were up for it. Um, but she

841
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: got it and she looks incredible, acted the ship out

842
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: of it. Her her bangs are so good. Um. The

843
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean obviously like it's it's so I am so

844
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: over it at this point, but the Chanel boots the moment.

845
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: We have to talk about the montage because and like

846
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: the fashion look after looking to take over montages, look

847
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: fashion montages and movies are incredible. I do think this

848
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: is one of the best, if not the best, of

849
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: all time because it's set two Vogue by Madonna, and

850
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: every time the cars passed, it's a new outfit. I

851
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: was like, that's that's art. Watching it in cinemas in

852
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: the theater for the first time, I have never been

853
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: more gagged. Yes, and I think some of the some

854
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: of the looks, I actually would say all of the looks.

855
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: Hold up. Let's stand the test of time. Um. I

856
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: when you were talking about Anne Hathaway not being the

857
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: first pick, I was looking at the alternates, and the

858
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: first pick was Rachel McAdams for the role of Andy,

859
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: which would have been crazy, but like it would have

860
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: made sense because it was pretty much directly post Mean

861
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: Girls and The Notebook, so I think it would have been.

862
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: It would have been because Anne Hathaway was not a

863
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: star yet, so it was a star making role. Can

864
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: you imagine Andy's a Would she have died her hair?

865
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: Would she have been a brunette because Rachel McAdams was

866
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: a brunette at the time. She Actually I was. I

867
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: was watching has Benett. I was watching a TikTok about

868
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: this the other day. Rachel mcgadam's refused to dye her

869
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: hair blonde for Mean Girls. She wanted to play Katie originally,

870
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: and so she had a wig that was worth dollars

871
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: to play Regina and Lindsay Lohan wanted to play wanted

872
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: the other people they went out to for Andy, where

873
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunn's Scarlett Johansson Natalie Portman and Kate Hudson. Can

874
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: you imagine that Natalie Portman and the keep her gardens

875
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: where she belongs. I do love Natalie, but oh my god,

876
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: there'd be like a scene where she's like in the

877
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: Vogue closet, just like just like, just like, just like

878
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: scared in the Vote closet. Scarlett Scarlett would have I

879
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: think would have worked. And Scarlett was in The Nanny Diaries,

880
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: which is, you know, the sister film of this movie.

881
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if any of the other ones would

882
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: have would have been as good. It had to be.

883
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: And because Anne does have that energy of being like

884
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: a bit of a try hard, try hard that is

885
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: the thing that I relate to her so much. I

886
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: guess she tries so hard in and on an off

887
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: screen Annie Annie Hathaway, I mean sorry, didn't need to

888
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: dead name her, right, Did you hear that that she

889
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: rebranded to Annie? I mean kind, I mean I think

890
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: it's I think it's that she in her in her

891
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: everyday life, most people call her Annie, and so now

892
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: she's kind of coming out, coming out, and because but

893
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: she had to basically all of her like Screen Actors

894
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: Guild or whatever, or her whatever the fucking guild is, Like,

895
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: she had to register as Anne Hathaway and she did

896
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and she says she regrets doing that.

897
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: She wished she could have done it as Annie. And

898
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: also Anne Hathaway was Shakespeare's wife, so she wanted you know,

899
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: oh I forgot that. She so she's going, She's going

900
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: by Annie. Now I think it's more like this is

901
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: that this is me, this is me. But I think

902
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: she will probably always be billed as Anne halfway because

903
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: that is how we know her. Okay. I also like,

904
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: in terms of villain of the film, one of the

905
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: points that stand out to me, and this isn't breaking

906
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: new ground for the people have discussed this a lot,

907
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: but just like when she she gave like that fabulous

908
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: like at the time mark Jacob's purse, and then the

909
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: way that she just like wasn't appreciative way the way

910
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: she gave them gifts and they were just like so mean.

911
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: And then no one was just like because she's working hard. Yeah,

912
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: No one was just like, yeah, jobs are hard, Like

913
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: I totally erstand. You're a woman, you're a woman, were

914
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: king in this industry. I support you. You know. They

915
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: were all like Oh my god, you're a horrible person

916
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: for trying to like make money and like, you know,

917
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 1: invest in yourself in your career. Yeah. I get why

918
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: the boyfriend was mad because she was so juicy and

919
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: then she got skinny and for her to lose that ass, Like,

920
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: I get why he's like pissed, he's pissed the ass

921
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: is gone, he's mad. I do love the scene where

922
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: he makes them, you know, a grilled cheek, the Yarlsberg

923
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: who doesn't want to eat a grilled Yarrolsberg. Fuck right, Honestly,

924
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: if back on the back on the convent of like,

925
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: if this were made in instead, like it really would

926
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: be like her group of friends are not being like

927
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: you work too harder. Group of friends would be like,

928
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: there's no ethical consumption under and then be like, don't

929
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: conflate yourself work. You're a class trader. You're a you're

930
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: a class trader, and you need to quit your job

931
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: and become a freelancer. It's the only different colors like

932
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: um that montage um where they um where they're like

933
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: they're like Miranda Priestley's coming or whatever. That is still

934
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: kind of true to life with Anna, Like you would

935
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: think that that would be kind of a cartoonish like

936
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: representation of how she exists inside the County building. But like,

937
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: I had a friend that was like at coned, like

938
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: seeing Anna for like a meeting or whatever, literally like

939
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: last year, and he was telling me that, like, of

940
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: the four assistants that he had to coordinate with in

941
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: order to make this meeting happen, three of which were

942
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: present at all standing in the room waiting with him.

943
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: While they were all waiting for Anna, They're all just

944
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: standing there on their phone. It's just like standing next

945
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: to each other silently looking at their phones. And while

946
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: he was waiting, one of them just says, Anna's walking,

947
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: And like he's like, uh, are you saying that to me?

948
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: Are you saying that to just generally like but like

949
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: her every move that she makes, it's like how a

950
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: lot of the things are directly lifted from her life,

951
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: Like her lunch order, which she recently revealed is a

952
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: steak and a compress a solid. It looks no tomato,

953
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: it does look delicious. And in the movie Um and

954
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: he goes to get her a stake from Smith and

955
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: Wilensky and I actually when I moved to New York City,

956
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: which was the fall that this movie had come out.

957
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: The first place my mom and I went UM. When

958
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: we landed in New York. The week we were moving

959
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: me into my dorm, we went to Smith and Wilensky

960
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: to lunch and I was like, oh my god, I'm

961
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: living my devil is brout of fantasy. I just I

962
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: just remembered that at Narcissi. So we were doing UM.

963
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: It was during fashion week and we're doing a presentation

964
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: in studio and we were like, you know, everything was

965
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: on schedule. We were addressing the models. It was like

966
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: very very normal, all the Suddens when this is all

967
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: I forgot all of this when ran in and goes,

968
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, Anna's here because she had arrived two

969
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: hours early without any did not tell anyone the amount

970
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: of chaos. Everyone was freaking out. It was like the

971
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: worst energy. Everyone was so scared, and we just we

972
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: just had to dress the models literally like slap makeup

973
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: on them, and just show Anna because she was there.

974
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: I am kind of obsessed with the idea that of

975
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: of the world being on your schedule. Yes, that is iconic.

976
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: Also famously like doesn't doesn't she like not even have

977
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: a smartphone. She has a BlackBerry. I think she's but

978
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: she famously does. I feel like she is always like

979
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: she always ends meetings. She thinks that every no meeting

980
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: should be more than like five to ten minutes. Which

981
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: did you see? So my friend um Alison has a

982
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: show New York called I think it's called Oh God,

983
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: to show about abortion. And Anna Wintour came to it

984
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: and the person outside taking the ford and then she

985
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: was like, are you kidding me? And she was like no,

986
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: and so she had to get her I D out

987
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: and show the person her ID. She got humbled. Wow,

988
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: I love actually carries her idea though, yeah, she had it,

989
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean truly truly, sir. Okay, something we do need

990
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: to discuss is the Harry Potter book. Do we really

991
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: you have to do? There are currently three trans people

992
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: on this podcast. JK in the Devil's Product, it was

993
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: the seventh Coming? Was it the seventh book that she was?

994
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: It was? I think it was the fourth book at

995
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: the time. Oh, it feels like because I think that's

996
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: at the time that the book came out, it would

997
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: have been the fourth one in terms of the publication

998
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: schedule that maybe most crazed. I feel like the fourth

999
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: one was the like it was one of the most fervor. Yes,

1000
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: it was when it became like an avenge that they

1001
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: came out and there was outside the Borders book when

1002
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: there was so much secrecy about it. But like the

1003
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: idea that at that time someone could get an advanced

1004
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: copy of the most secretive book in the world from

1005
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: a woman who we now know is pure evil. Um

1006
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, But you know, I wanted to be one

1007
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: of those little twins reading that book. Early. Maybe Andy

1008
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: called j K. She was like, I also hate trans people,

1009
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: and there's a safe space we could talk about it.

1010
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: And then they had a conversation, which like you know what,

1011
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: You're cool girl, and then she just like she gave

1012
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: her that It was like, listen, the first thing we

1013
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: have to get through is trans women are men. Yeah. Yeah,

1014
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: And she was like to advanced copies. Yeah, I'm sending

1015
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: one copies, one for all of the genders that exists.

1016
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened. That is exactly what happened.

1017
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: I hope that like some news site who's listening to

1018
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: our podcast takes that as a headline and just runs

1019
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: with it. Breaks do you think j K Rowling has

1020
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: seen the Devil Wors product? Probably yeah, if she, I'm

1021
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: sure she's obsessed with anything she's mentioned. And yeah, she

1022
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: certainly does reply to a lot of tweets. Yeah she

1023
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: has the time. Um, I have to say, Uh, you

1024
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: were talking earlier about like people that just want to

1025
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: show up and do the job, but like it doesn't

1026
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: matter like how they look. I'm thinking a little bit

1027
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: about Andre Leon Tallyho. Stanley Tu's character was famously based

1028
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: on him, and I feel like, you know, obviously Andre

1029
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: is like very fabulous and like shut up to work

1030
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: looking fami, but he would he said often he was

1031
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: like what I lack in beauty, like a self deprecating

1032
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of joke. You would say, like what I lack

1033
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: in beauty, I have in brains. And that's like what

1034
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: what makes me necessary to every single you know space

1035
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm in. And I think that's so true, like especially

1036
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: in my experience, like I am the try hard. I

1037
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: like don't have like you know, the fashion chops a

1038
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: lot of the time, and I feel like I'm not cool,

1039
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, but I I do you are cool. I'm like,

1040
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? You look literally so

1041
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: cool that you do well. I mean, I don't know,

1042
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: maybe working in media, I just like um hammered the

1043
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: idea that I'm not cool into my head over and

1044
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: over again. Maybe that's just like part of the conditioning.

1045
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: But regardless, like I do feel like that is I

1046
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: think a lot of people forget about what it really

1047
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: takes to make yourself necessary because obviously, you know, in

1048
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: a superficial industry, you can show up to work looking

1049
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: fab every day and not really do a great job.

1050
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: Like that is true, like it's not a meritocracy. But

1051
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: if you do prove your worth over and over again

1052
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of times, that does make you necessary, unless,

1053
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: of course, you work in digital media, in which case

1054
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: you are disposable. But like print media, it's like you're safe,

1055
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: you know. Ecagozian I started as an intern and they

1056
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: never hire interns, they just use them, and they're all

1057
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: rich kids. So it's like like the kid of like

1058
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: so and so celebrity would like be an intern for

1059
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: a season or something, and so I went in there

1060
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: being like I want a job. I want a job

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Speaker 1: from this. I was a waiter the whole time I

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Speaker 1: was interning, like trying to make money, like very come

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01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: from a like a very working class background, and um,

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Speaker 1: the way that I got a job was I started

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Speaker 1: making the models of gallery spaces to prep for the show,

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01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: so like whenever the curator wanted to see, like so

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Speaker 1: before they like have the actual show, there's a architectural

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Speaker 1: model and then you print out like smaller sizes of

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Speaker 1: the paintings or the sculptures, and then the curator moves

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: it around almost like a dollhouse, and then that from

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Speaker 1: that then they make the real show. I started just

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Speaker 1: doing that and it was very easy. It was just

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01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: like using very basic photoshop skills to like make this,

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01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: and before long I became the person that someone would

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Speaker 1: call to make one like from London or China or

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01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: like wherever whatever. And so by the time they started

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01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: to actually like need me and they actually couldn't, I

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01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: was the one who knew how to do these things,

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Speaker 1: even though it was based it was like basic skills.

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Speaker 1: All of you know, our bosses were older people who

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01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: would not know how to use any of those things.

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01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: And so by the time I was like I'm leaving

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01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: because I got offered a job somewhere else, They're like,

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01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: oh wait a second, Wait a second, don't leave, don't leave,

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01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: and then you know hired me on. So it's like

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01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: it's like literally just because of I was making those

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01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: like stupid little but you come indispensable. That's what you

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: have to get. It's like it's interesting. Yeah, I don't know,

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01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's not interesting. I just like it. Kids, if

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01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, yes, make yourself indispensable your job.

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure all of us have done a version of

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01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: that at different jobs that we've had. Like you do

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01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: something that like no one was asking you to do

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: and it proves to be very like either profitable or

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01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: helpful or whatever, and then they no longer can let

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01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: go of you. I mean that was very much my

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01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: experience and media when I was working it out. Um,

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01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: no one there was doing like junket interviews with celebrities,

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01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: and like we were always getting those offers because like

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: we were, you know, the like the biggest lgbt Q

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01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: plus magazine in the country. Um, and so I just

1102
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: started doing them because no one else was, and like

1103
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: I was really good at them, and like they would

1104
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: go viral and then like it was something that the

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01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: magazine kind of needed and then I like had the

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: power of this thing that no one had asked me

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01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: to do, and I was just like, I'm going to

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01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: do it and be really good at it, and then

1109
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: you're going to realize like it's actually really valuable to you,

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01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna leave and go work. Exactly, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna did you leave you high and dry? That is

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01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: the That is the other thing. Also just about like

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Speaker 1: quitting your job in general. Anybody listening to this podcast,

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01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: quit your job. I just did it, and it was

1115
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: so and I was on my close friends Instagram story.

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01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: I posted the photo of Andy throwing her phone as

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01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: my like, as my like tease to my friends that

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: I quit my job. Truly, Like the artifice of like

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01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: you needing a nine to five is like just like,

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01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: don't subscribe to it. Like you can work hard enough

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01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: to work for yourself off, it's not worth it. Every

1122
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: job sucks. That's actually every jobs. That is the lesson

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01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: of the version of the double Wares products that every

1124
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: job sucks. Working for the man sucks. And I it's

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Speaker 1: funny now to see like fashion try to create commentary

1126
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: on things that we talked about in the justice space.

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01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: Now like brand, like fashion, brand is trying to be woke,

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01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: and like I think fashion has like a responsibility to

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01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: be sustainable, so I'm like not really talking about that,

1130
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: but like, honestly, this like last Balenciaga runway that was like,

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01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: how did you see this? It was at like NASDAC

1132
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, Yes, and like the whole line

1133
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: is like a critique on like capitalism or something. If

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Speaker 1: you're like, that's not a quick teak if you're it

1135
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: was so stupid and they should stop trying to do that,

1136
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: which I say, I was gonna say. Unfortunately, I thought

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01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: the run I was very cool. I did too when

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01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: I really want some of the ass I don't want

1139
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: fashion or any brands to like have a critique on capitalism,

1140
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: like like companies do not have a voice in the

1141
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: conversation of like anti capital a critique on being a

1142
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: dumb bitch or if honestly, it'd be like it'd be

1143
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: like a slaughterhouse having a critique on being like everyone

1144
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: should go vegan, like like what wait one second here,

1145
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: and then they're like grinding a cow. Yeah, it's just

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01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: not um, it's stupid sometimes, but I just and they

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: just they they famously just did the like dollar dirty, dirty,

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01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: dirty sneaker. Yes, arms about so it's like, come on,

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Speaker 1: you know what I do do like that that they did,

1150
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: which was also kind of a publicity something like that

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01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: where the comb shoes were the wait, maybe those weren't Balenciago,

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01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: were those more Jella? They were these shoes that looked

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: like they were covered and come like, you know, I

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01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: would mind, I wouldn't you know what I really wanted.

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: I wanted Alexa Demi's like all the pants that went

1156
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: up to her shoulders look like have you seen that?

1157
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: Have you seen that? It is really gross the way

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01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: that once you um have money to spend on nice clothes,

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: even if that's not something that you have traditionally cared about,

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Speaker 1: you you all of a sudden it becomes real important

1161
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: because I have like now gone through this these cycles

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Speaker 1: in my life where you know, like when I was

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Speaker 1: a teenager and I went to college for the first

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: time is out of time when my parents were making

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Speaker 1: a lot of money and I like had all this

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01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: designer ship that like I didn't really care about. But

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01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: it was just like because I'd been reading the Divorce

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01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: product and like saw the movie and I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I have to have like a product backpack.

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01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: And then like I when I was like poor and

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Speaker 1: living in New York and like my parents weren't supporting

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: me anymore, I like sold it all and like didn't

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01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: care about wearing stuff like that. Now as an adult,

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01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: like once I started like making real money, I was like, oh,

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01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: well now I want nice things again. Yeah. I just um,

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: I just finished I'm finishing my first ever real lucrative

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Speaker 1: job ever. And so I bought. I bought a produ

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: bag and it was like it felt so honestly, it

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01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: was an incredible experience. I love my bag. I get

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01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: nothing but compliments. People treat me better, which is insane.

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01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: When I when I walked out of that shop with

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01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: the shopping bag, like the huge shopping bag, it was

1183
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: wrapped up. The instant change of experience that I was

1184
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: having in the world was actually kind of dark and

1185
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: sinister because it made me realize how much of this

1186
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: stuff is just like code. It's like it's literally just

1187
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: like the matrix. Just walk into a prod and ask

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: for an en shopping back. I would have saved so much.

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,560
Speaker 1: I just got a shopping back because my experiences immediately

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01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: started changing, even like social interactions where I was um

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01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: getting into an elevator to get to go back to

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01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: my car, and in the elevator walked a girl with

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Speaker 1: her own product shopping bag. And I would have never

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01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: ever spoken to this person ever, but because we both

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: had these shopping bags, we started talking about what did

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01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: you get? And then also like are you going on

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: a trip soon? Oh you live here? Oh you're from

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Speaker 1: It opened up this whole and she had like a jody.

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Speaker 1: She had like a gorgeous Botako jody that that's my

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Speaker 1: next that's my next bag. But like, well, just they

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: don't hold a lot. I don't care. It looks good,

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01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: they're very, they're very and then the zippers horrible. I've

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01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: heard all I've heard all of these things, but I

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01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: totally support this woman. This woman the elevator and like

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01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 1: it's just like I would have never And my friend

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01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: was with me, who was very poor, and she was

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01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: just like who I made come with me to get

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: the back. Wanted wanted to witness ascension the next d

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: literally come with me, but like literally, like there has

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01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: to be someone to have witnesses lunch. I bought lunch.

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01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: Combating bad shopping habits is like the issue for me now,

1212
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: I feel like the things that I'm always telling myself

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: that my friend and bestowed on me was shop for

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01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: the collection, not the occasion, because I'm always shopping because

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01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: i have a party to go to or whatever, and

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01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm like an event to whatever, and I'm thinking specifically

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01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: for that party, and then i might wear it once

1218
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: then like it's unwearable. This is why you have to

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01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: shop your closet, as I've heard a lot of people

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: talk about on TikTok shop your closet, which is, you know,

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: go into your closet and treat it as like a

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01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: boutique because you wish because you will find things in

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: there that you never wear. I would never think of,

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: like try putting things together. I have a subscribed to

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: and I think like part of this is like obviously

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01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: like being a fat person in a world that like

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: does not value or like you know, center fatness. Yeah,

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 1: it's like I'm I'm like, oh, i I'm like buying

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01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: things that I can just like put on my body

1230
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: because I'm not a person who can go into the

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01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: world and just like find a bunch of things that

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: will go together in an interesting way. And I'm trying

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: to now look at my closet and be more intentional

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 1: about like, Okay, I have all these pieces, Like I

1235
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: don't need to just like find one thing that someone

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: sold me that I can throw my body and go

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01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: out into the world that will like hide my body

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01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: or make it look better than it is. Like I

1239
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: have to be an active participant in the way that

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01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: I present and show up in the world to create

1241
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: being like being bigger bodied or like whatever you wanna

1242
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: call it, like it because I am too like it.

1243
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: It creates a panic where like if you find something

1244
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 1: that even if you like like, you have to get

1245
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: it because you're like, I don't know the next time

1246
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find something that fits me that is this

1247
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: thing or as like yeah, or like buying aspirationally, like oh,

1248
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: this is like a little tight, but like you know,

1249
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: it'll be good when I like lose fifteen pounds or whatever.

1250
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: But I went shopping recently, I like bought a bunch

1251
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: of stuff online and at Nordstrom. It was delivered in

1252
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: store and I went and like tried it all on

1253
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 1: to see if I wanted to keep it or return

1254
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: any of it. And there was a dress that I bought,

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01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: which was like, body con is like not uh something

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01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: that I usually wear. And I was like, oh, like

1257
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: this doesn't it's not you know, voluminous, it doesn't you know,

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01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: cover my body in the way that I would normally

1259
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 1: want a garment too. And I was like, but I'm fat,

1260
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: like nothing that I was going to hide that fact.

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01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: So like, why shouldn't I like wear this garment that

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01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: I really like and think I look good in, um,

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01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: just because it's not like doing the kind of disguise

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: that I think some perfect piece of clothing is going

1265
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: to do one day, because it doesn't exist. That's so true.

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01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 1: I recently performed at the Netflix Comedy Festival and I

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01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: was on a big show, and so I got a

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01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: dress for for this show. And I always cover I

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: always if I show leg if anything but like my

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Speaker 1: like upper body or whatever. But for whatever reason, I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, no, And I got this

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Speaker 1: like dress from Eloqui that was like cutouts and like,

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Speaker 1: you know, very short. What I never I looked so hot?

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Speaker 1: People were I forget how like hot it is to

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Speaker 1: have a fat body, like literally like like curves and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. Literally, like with the body con stuff,

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Speaker 1: I forget that I have these things that I'm like

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Speaker 1: covering or whatever, and people were like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you look so hot. Yeah, because because fashion, I think,

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Speaker 1: like mainstream fashion, and especially now that um, you know,

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: like body inclusivity is becoming something that as we're talking about,

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01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,839
Speaker 1: like mainstream fashion brands are trying to like wocify themselves

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01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: by catering to but like they're doing it by just

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01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: selling a ton of smock dresses and probably still not

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Speaker 1: even like the most inclusive stop at a certain number.

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Speaker 1: It's so expensive, it's never on sale. It's always like

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: so I can't, yeah, but like I want to. There

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01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: have been times in my life where I have like

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01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: really felt really embodied, and part of that has been

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Speaker 1: because of the things that I wear and like, especially

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Speaker 1: as someone who used to like be like I used

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01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 1: to be a club kid, I used to be a

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Speaker 1: sex worker. So I know what it's like to feel

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Speaker 1: like like to have very concrete knowledge that my body

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: is valuable, literally valuable, um, And I like don't want

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 1: to feel pressured by a world that thinks that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be to hide it and the people that like are

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: out there shopping and feeling that feeling of like I

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Speaker 1: don't belong, like these clothes aren't made for me, Like

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01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: this industry doesn't care about me. It's like, yeah, the

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Speaker 1: industry doesn't. But that's like a product of like the

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Speaker 1: oppression of fashion, Like fashion wants you to feel that way,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I feel like, honestly,

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Speaker 1: like I only shop women's clothes, so I just have

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01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: to be read as in the fact that these clothes

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01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: are like not made or designed for like my body ever,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of times you just

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01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: have to you have to, just as you said, do

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Speaker 1: that work of being like I don't care if fashion

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Speaker 1: doesn't care about me, I care about fashion. There's something

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01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: so sad about that and something I experienced in my

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01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: life too. I was recently in a coach commercial, just

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: like randomly because like the I'm friends with the director

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01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: a commercial. It's like a really it's a Megan the

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Speaker 1: Stallions in it, and I have to it's a mean

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: Girls parody. And it was her idea. She she she

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01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: loves Regina George. So she was like, she was like,

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Speaker 1: I want to be Regina George in this in this commercial.

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Speaker 1: So um, I have a very I'm a I have

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Speaker 1: a very large body, and all the clothes they had

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Speaker 1: on set because everyone in the commercials wearing coach, nothing

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Speaker 1: was going to fit me, so they actually had pought

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Speaker 1: like clothes from Target for me to wear. And then

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Speaker 1: I had like a coach like scarf or something, and

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Speaker 1: it was such a bad feeling and like literally the

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Speaker 1: stylists came in and um, I didn't even try to

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Speaker 1: whisper anything. And at that point I was wearing my

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: clothes like I had not yet changed, and the stylist

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01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: was like, that's not what she's wearing, is it? And

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. First of all, I

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: can like literally hear you and like what the funk?

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: And that's and then the person who was the wardrobe

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01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: person was like no, like no, but then like put

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Speaker 1: me in these like Target clothes and like because that

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01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: means those people are bad at their job. And then

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Speaker 1: all the other girls, like all the other girls in

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Speaker 1: the commercial who I'm friends with, who were like fit

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Speaker 1: into standard sizes or whatever whatever you wanna call it,

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01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: like they were wearing like gorgeous like jackets, and even

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: like the makeup artist right like she spent maybe like

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01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: forty minutes on them. She she spent five minutes on me,

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01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: and I had to be like, hey, I'd actually love

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01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: some more makeup and had to fight her to put

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Speaker 1: makeup on my face because she wouldn't do it. And

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01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: it's just like stuff like that where it's like being

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01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: a being a fat person in this industry is just

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01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: like so hard and so violent. Like it's like, what's

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01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: harder being fatter trans? Because it's like it's because like

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Speaker 1: in this industry, it's just like they'd rather be trans

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Speaker 1: than fat. It's it's like like that because jewels, like

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01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's like these skinny little and it's crazy

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: because it's hard to be to be that person and

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: come onto that side and do what anyone else in

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: your position would do, which is say, hey, you need

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01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: it is actually not my job to worry about any

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01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: of this. It's your job too, And it's your job

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01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: to have clothes that fit my body and make me

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01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: look good and put makeup on my face and make

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01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: me look pretty so I can do the job that

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01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm here being paid to. I don't need to worry

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01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 1: about any of this. I am a product and you

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01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: need to literally you need to work around me. My

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Speaker 1: reasonly I did a I did a tape set recently, um,

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: which was really cool in New York and Um, I

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: got another dress from Eloqui and this one these shorts

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01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: are I love Eloquis love. It's good. It's like clothes

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Speaker 1: for us and like literally and it had a crinkle.

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01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: It was made of like almost like a parachute fabric

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01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: and I didn't know that. So when I got it

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: and had the crinkle, so like I was like freaking

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Speaker 1: out about it because of sound and like I was

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01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: texting my friend Um who she has a connections that

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01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: Eloquy and was like, can someone like just send me

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01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: something or like I need something now, and she was

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01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: like and she was like, girl because she she's also

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01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: a performer. She was like, a girl, you're the product.

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01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: Let the sound engineers do their job. She goes wear

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01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: that dress. If you love that dressing, look good in

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01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: their dress. The sound engineers will figure it out. And

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Speaker 1: that that was so empowering. I was like, Oh, she

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01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: was like, you show up, You do what you're supposed

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01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: to do, which is like do your comedy and then

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01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: like let them figure figure that. You have to be

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Speaker 1: the Miranda Priestley the world to find your schedule. Love

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Speaker 1: that well, you don't have to be horrible, you don't

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: have to get her late months. But I think there

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01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: are lessons to be learned from her and the way

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01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: that she moves in the world. And I do think

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01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: the movie ends with Andy realizing that there are some

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Speaker 1: things she got from that experience and that job that

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Speaker 1: she can take with her and some that she can

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