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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey is Zaren?

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Speaker 3: Do I know you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth? I'm sorry, Hi, Hi, how you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? Listen. You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Oh brother do I yeah? Okay, I got something for you.

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Speaker 4: Do you know who master P is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Exactly you know Snoop Dogg is?

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Speaker 2: Yes? You know what cereal is like like the food.

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Speaker 4: Yes, is in the cereal you I got? Dude, I

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Speaker 4: got one for you. You slipping girls slipping? Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: know it's ridiculous. I'm about to do a mashup on you.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm calling him a swirl though, because when

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Speaker 4: I do it as a swirl. So yeah, Well, it

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Speaker 4: turns out post consumer brands, Cereal Maker has teamed up

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Speaker 4: with broadest foods, as in Calvin Snoop Dogg, who is

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Speaker 4: aligned with master P and his Broadest foods, and they

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Speaker 4: have introduced Snoop Cereal. Yes, it's full of flavorful notes

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Speaker 4: fronted by memorable characters. So what memorable characters? I'm glad

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Speaker 4: you asked, Elizabeth. We have Snoop Cereal cinnamon toasties. That's

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Speaker 4: the cereal. I'll tell you the character to go along

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Speaker 4: with it. Then there's Snoop Cereal frosted Drizzlers, there's Snoop

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Speaker 4: Cereal fruitity hoops. Okay, anyway, so we have a whole

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Speaker 4: list of characters that they are part of the K

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Speaker 4: nine team. They're all dogs apparently because Snoop because dog

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Speaker 4: pats exactly. So we have Captain Ace. Then there's Max Hercules,

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Speaker 4: Roxy and mister Polar Bear. I don't know anyway. So

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Speaker 4: the good thing about this, Elizabeth, see, this is what

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna flip it on you. This is for charity.

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Speaker 4: So when you buy one of the Snoop cereals, you're

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Speaker 4: giving money to Door of Hope, which helps with deal

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Speaker 4: people deal with food, insecurity and homelessness.

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Speaker 2: Wait, so I'm going to go out and buy this

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Speaker 2: immediately exactly.

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Speaker 3: You see how I make you want to help these people.

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Speaker 2: I brought you.

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Speaker 4: I'm bringing light to the dark side. That's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: Over here is Sister now Percy a ka Master p Miller.

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Speaker 4: He said, we want to make sure kids and kids

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Speaker 4: at heart. That's you can have a Champion's breakfast.

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 4: Our motto is the more we make, the more we give.

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Speaker 4: I grew up on Wick and I am honored and

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Speaker 4: humble and now own a company with Snoop that can

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Speaker 4: serve underprivileged families and I am.

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Speaker 3: Two for them.

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Speaker 4: That's awesome because I support Wick wholeheartedly. Wick is good.

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Speaker 4: Please don't cut the budget federal government. Yes, give people food.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there you go. See how that was? Like? Fun?

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Speaker 3: You want it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It sounds like if I can't remember the name of

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Speaker 2: a product, that's what I call it. You know, the

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Speaker 2: sugar drisl Yeah, you know I used to have a

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Speaker 2: master p doll really yeah that yeah, but then it

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Speaker 2: was like in the garage for a really long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it got all no, it got like kind of like

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Speaker 2: too mildewy. Oh so when you and the battery started

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Speaker 2: to die, and so when you pushed the thing because

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Speaker 2: he was still in the box, you push it. It

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Speaker 2: was amazing. And I don't know, it's like all these

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Speaker 2: cool things that I have, I don't know what happens

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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 3: Impermanent, Sarah, embrace it, Elizabeth. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You need to buy me some cereal it you know

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Speaker 2: what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: No, but I'm hoping you would tell.

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Speaker 2: Me harassing a criminal's cat.

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Speaker 3: What I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You damn right, yes man.

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Speaker 2: Robberies man?

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Speaker 3: What's up with them heists?

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Speaker 2: I've been doing a good number of banks lately. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're sticking to the really, am I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: try and dip into one other type that I've done before.

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 2: The male?

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Speaker 3: The male? Oh? Like us male?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah so? Or British male I've done before

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Speaker 2: the post Yeah, the post. So we've talked about how

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Speaker 2: it's super stupid to mess with the male.

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Speaker 3: Yes, bad felony.

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Speaker 2: They have their own police force and it's a federal crime.

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Speaker 3: Shoot you totally. They will shoot you, but they will

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Speaker 3: definitely put you in prison.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're in for it. So, but like some people,

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Speaker 2: some criminals, they think it could actually be worth it

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Speaker 2: to dance with the devil of the USPS if they

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Speaker 2: could get away with it. Poor, misguided, but that's true

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Speaker 2: of pretty much every crime. Right, it's worth it if

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Speaker 2: I can get away with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's these are what people think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you're like a thrill killer. Anyway, So I

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Speaker 2: like heist, yes you do. I like costumes, Yes you do.

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Speaker 2: I love costumes on criminals.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is all true.

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Speaker 2: I am a big fan of wigs, like wigs on criminals. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I see you get in there.

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Speaker 2: I just bought a couple wigs myself.

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Speaker 3: Did you what did you get? Like this?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 2: Like the cheap Halloween wigs?

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Speaker 3: Oh, just like bag of wig.

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Speaker 2: I used to have a big collection of them, but

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Speaker 2: I think they got lost in a move. They probably

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Speaker 2: ran off with master P. So I'm rebuilding my stock

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Speaker 2: of weird cheap wigs because it's always good to have

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Speaker 2: them on hand.

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Speaker 3: Let's play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got, you know, for answering the door or

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Speaker 2: taking a profile picture for something, or an author's photo.

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Speaker 3: Three's company look like contests.

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Speaker 2: Sitting on the sofa pretending you don't watch TV.

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Speaker 3: There you go, one of your hobbies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, whatever, let's let's dive into today's crime.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: On August fourteenth, nineteen sixty two, there was a mail truck. Yes,

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Speaker 2: where was this mail truck? I don't know, Massachusetts oh,

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Speaker 2: I know where that you do. So the truck started

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Speaker 2: Boston Federal Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 3: Oh, good place to go, So that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So in that truck was one point five million dollars

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Speaker 2: in silver certifickets and Canadian and US currency.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot silver certificate.

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Speaker 2: Folks today, that's more than fifteen million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what silver certificates are?

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Speaker 3: No, that's why I was like over here going silver, what.

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Speaker 2: Kind of brewin it? Yeah? So it's representative money. It

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Speaker 2: US was basically on a gold standard. They were big

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Speaker 4: So, and there's a lot of counterfeit money going around

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Speaker 2: You could you could trade it in. So the silver

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Speaker 3: Obsolete if you still have one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still legal tender and they can be used

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Speaker 2: as currency, but their collector's items really they look a

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Speaker 2: that time they came into denominations of one, five, and

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Speaker 3: Basically there is money between banks in a sense.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean people people actually, I think they're like

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Speaker 3: That have to ask for it special, right, So.

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Speaker 2: That's silver certificates. So anyway, this truck I told you

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Speaker 2: about the two employees in the truck, driver Patrick Shana

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Speaker 2: It was lying Oh, Yeah, they just knew they had

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Speaker 2: to get the rig to Boston. And you've been to Boston, right, bunch. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's beautiful city, full of history. Also possibly one of

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Speaker 2: the whitest major metropolitan areas I've ever experienced.

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Speaker 3: Park.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. That was like as someone who has

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Speaker 2: where it's just like a Benetton at Yeah, the Fenway

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Speaker 2: you know, God bless go for it. One of my

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Speaker 3: Good place for them.

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Speaker 2: All three of my cousins are actually geniuses. It's pretty

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Speaker 2: rad for me. Uh that's all I've got on Boston

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Speaker 2: for you. But just to establish we know where it

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Speaker 2: is and what it is. Okay. So this truck was

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Speaker 2: going from Cape Cod to Boston on Route three. Route three,

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Speaker 2: from the peninsula up to Boston. The road runs through

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Speaker 2: a lot of really heavily wooded areas in the stress,

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Speaker 2: especially like as you approach Plymouth, Massachusetts. It's also known

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Speaker 2: as America's hometown. Well that's you know, there's mayflower stuff

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Speaker 2: there first Thanksgiving and all of it.

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Speaker 3: I've heard the lot story.

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Speaker 2: You know, they made a lot of rope there back

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Speaker 2: in the day. Really, Oh yeah, it was like the

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Speaker 2: rope capital of the world or whatever. Not anymore so.

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Speaker 2: August fourteenth, nineteen sixty two, there's the mail truck just

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Speaker 2: barreling down along Route three for some.

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Speaker 3: Rope to buy.

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Speaker 2: Just like smells like rope. Yeah, outside of Plymouth, they're like,

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Speaker 2: you know, super stoked on rope. Shane of the driver,

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Speaker 2: just doing his regular run. It's in the evening around

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Speaker 2: eight pm, not really fully dark, but not broad daylight.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: So the truck passed some highway workers on the side

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Speaker 2: of the road at the Clark Road exit. Do you

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Speaker 2: know where that is?

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Speaker 3: No idea, isn't your Fishkill road? No, I got to

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Speaker 3: be near a kill road.

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Speaker 2: Kill is I saw it on street view and I

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Speaker 2: really didn't care if I went there. Ever, no offense.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't like one of those ones where I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I have to go.

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Speaker 3: No, it was a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It was it was just you know, just trea heavily wooded,

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Speaker 2: so Clark Road exit and the workers they're just like

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Speaker 2: leaning on some construction sawhorse barricades, probably resting after a

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Speaker 2: long day's work.

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Speaker 3: Sure as you do, bouncing a shovel underneath their shoulder.

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Speaker 2: Oh totally. They'd all spent the whole day watching one

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Speaker 2: dude dig anyway, Shana, Shana and Barrett. They saw another

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Speaker 3: No thinking this is planned.

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Speaker 2: Now they know. This is what William Barrett, the guard said.

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Speaker 2: And what did they do? They didn't. They should have

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Speaker 3: Had bandanna wrapped over their head like Rambo?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Why not?

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Speaker 2: So they're blindfolded their gags, they say to the guard,

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Speaker 2: silver certificates. Of that one point five million, only thirty

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Speaker 2: So that's just free and easy, right.

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Speaker 3: There is Johnny Apple seeding money all around.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're making their stop. So unlike in one

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Speaker 3: You love Sneakers.

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Speaker 2: God, I love that movie so much. And so the

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Speaker 2: ice crew they drove about twenty five miles north toward

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Speaker 3: Have ever been there that I'm aware of? I might

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Speaker 2: They ditched the truck at the junction of one twenty

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Speaker 3: Why would they think that helping somebody with luggage was

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Speaker 3: The Wild Weather Show, the show.

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Speaker 2: Well it's not a high crime area. So they walk

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Speaker 2: Wurtzburger he was actually scrutinized by postal agents when they

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Speaker 3: I paid for the expression.

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Speaker 2: I didn't pay in fives and tens of silver certificates.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted a sunken family room.

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Speaker 2: I wanted a rumpus room.

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Speaker 3: I promised pag of Florida room and she said needed.

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Speaker 2: So locals heard about the robbery, they figured it had

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Speaker 3: So they drove they were allowed through.

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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, they were like ahead of the truck trucks

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Speaker 2: in North End, Angles and others in Rockland, Hanover and Stoughton, Okay.

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Speaker 2: They said that they had set up at least one

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Speaker 2: a guy who's been involved in other stick ups. All

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Speaker 2: one thousand US Postal inspectors were expected to be dispatched

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Speaker 2: to Boston for the case. What all one thousand? That only?

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Speaker 2: That makes me think that would be the perfect time

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Speaker 3: I'm learning how we could pull a mail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, listen, I always wonder if big police

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Speaker 3: Cover for other crimes you've mentioned before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I go a few years ago. Have I

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there was a bomb scare at the federal

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Speaker 2: You could see the police and press helicopters circling the area.

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Speaker 3: So remember talking about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So one of the channels put a live feed

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Speaker 2: You could see what looked like every Oakland police cop

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Speaker 2: I'll meet a county Sheriff's department. The Feds, everyone's there.

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Speaker 2: It was packed with law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: So this is like Elizabeth Appointment TV.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have no idea. It just like

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Speaker 2: That zoom on the camera was remarkable.

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Speaker 3: Cachnology.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're able to x ray the device and

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Speaker 2: I wondered if it was like, sorry, buddies, but while

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Speaker 2: the weed dispensaries.

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Speaker 3: Who knows your imagination?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? Either way, the Postal Service went all in

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Speaker 2: we'll find out more about their investigation.

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Speaker 3: Hello.

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Speaker 2: When we left off, the Postal Service and other law

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I was working on my sticker book during the commercials.

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Speaker 4: Just one second only put my sticker book away.

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Speaker 2: Good ones, Do you have any scratches?

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Speaker 3: I got a strawberry shortcake that's new. I got it

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Speaker 3: on eBay.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the ones that had like oil in them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can scratch? Oh yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: Whatever happened to that.

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Speaker 3: They got taken off the shelves stairs, I can't.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like heavy metals and they're flammable, so

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Speaker 4: I can't die.

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Speaker 3: No idea.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, Postal Service, law enforcement, they're they're working hard.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to identify and arrest the perpetrators of the

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Speaker 2: what is now called the Plymouth mail heist.

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Speaker 3: Oh good name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Another entity diving into their own investigation was Life Magazine, the.

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Speaker 3: Second big heist at Plymouth.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I endorse that.

445
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 3: So can I have this land? Land?

446
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 2: So Life Magazine they decided they didn't tell the copses

447
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: that they were going to re enact the robbery with

448
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 2: actors on the side of Route three, like a cute

449
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: little photo shoot.

450
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Speaker 3: Why why?

451
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Speaker 2: I don't you know? They do reconstructions all the time

452
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 2: of crimes in the UK that when I lived there.

453
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Speaker 2: I saw that on TV a lot, and I guess

454
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Speaker 2: it would help jog memory. But why are you doing

455
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Speaker 2: a photo shoot?

456
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Speaker 3: Would they make commercials and then just run a commercial?

457
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Speaker 2: It's on a show, dude, it's not even a commercial.

458
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: It's like, there's a show. I think it's Crime Stoppers.

459
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Speaker 2: I don't know, there's I can't remember that.

460
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Speaker 3: Recreation.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do a total recreation and they have like

462
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Speaker 2: an actor, you know, portraying like the missing little girl

463
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Speaker 2: or whatever, like doing an and then the cars that

464
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: were seeing go by.

465
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Speaker 3: Is this like Prime Time? Yea had ratings?

466
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Speaker 2: It's amazing probably so yeah, so life you think they're

467
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Speaker 2: doing that? It's like a photo shoot. People freaked out

468
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Speaker 2: when they saw this as they're driving by, they thought,

469
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Speaker 2: oh my god, the gang's back in this time. They

470
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Speaker 2: have cameras.

471
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Speaker 3: I suppose they didn't shoot.

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Speaker 2: The cops were livid. They were so mad they put

473
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Speaker 2: out a statement warning the quote gagsters to cut out

474
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Speaker 2: the nonsense or suffer serious consequences. Still, the gagster's over

475
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: at Life magazine or pranking us again, like what is it? Okay?

476
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Speaker 3: It sounds like a shop teacher from a high.

477
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 2: School cut out and that just makes everyone laugh harder.

478
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Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, if you were listening the cops,

479
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Speaker 2: and when I say cops, that's just blanket term for

480
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Speaker 2: I don't know anyone in a uniform here, uh, you know,

481
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Speaker 2: postal local regional law enforcement law enforce. As they say

482
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: they want to put someone outside the home of one suspect,

483
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Speaker 2: this one person there watching them, and when asked, they

484
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: said that he was located quote some distance from Boston.

485
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: So they're being all coy about it. The same at

486
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Speaker 2: some distance. The guy had done hold ups in the

487
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: past that weren't too different, just at a much smaller scale. Obviously.

488
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: Other clues the cops would cop to were the nicknames

489
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Speaker 2: of two people, two abandoned cars, and a partly burned

490
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Speaker 2: car with detour signs in the trunk.

491
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Speaker 3: There you go, I'm thinking you got I think we

492
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Speaker 3: found it.

493
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: USPS inspectors and the FBI. They got warrants to search

494
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Speaker 2: two homes and they discovered evidence. There we're gonna hear

495
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Speaker 2: about that in a bit. They also had eyewitnesses and

496
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Speaker 2: I'm presuming aside from the employees in.

497
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Speaker 3: The truck and the car and the kid in the car.

498
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Speaker 2: So they have this possible Boston heist crew under surveillance.

499
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Speaker 2: But there are repercussions. The criminal element wasn't just going

500
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Speaker 2: to take this scrutiny. So Gail Begley, the daughter of

501
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Speaker 2: one of the inspectors, John Sullivan, said later that they

502
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Speaker 2: got death threats, fake lawsuits, false accusations. According to her quote,

503
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Speaker 2: some even followed postal inspectors in their cars. I learned

504
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: only decades later that one notorious member of the Male

505
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: Robbery Gang had once tailed my father while he was

506
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 2: off duty and had my mother in the car with him.

507
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: They're just coming like they're not intimidated. Yeah, So in

508
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: some early mind hunter moves, usps inspectors thought that they

509
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: might be able to get into the mind of a

510
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Speaker 2: bank robber by talking to members of the Brins gang.

511
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so these are the.

512
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Speaker 2: Guys who in nineteen fifty had pulled off the Great

513
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Speaker 2: Brinks robbery in Boston. It was at the time the

514
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: largest robbery in the history of the us, and it

515
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: was also known as the Crime of the.

516
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Speaker 3: Century, still one of the most epic.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of crimes get that title, only to

518
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: have it ripped away by ambitious Yeah, it's a shame.

519
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: You should do a crime.

520
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: Of the century. I know, I should.

521
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: You should do that crime for an episode. So I'm

522
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: trying that you should do the Brinks robbery.

523
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 3: I was just trying to talk it so you could

524
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Speaker 3: do a show about me.

525
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: I hear by challenge you to not only pull an

526
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: epic crime, but then to do a story about.

527
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: It, to do an episode about it.

528
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, robbery, I'm putting the Brinks on the big board

529
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: with your name.

530
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: Under I'm gonna do like a what if I did it?

531
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh that's good. I like that. Like when podcasts go back.

532
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: We've just got too many ideas over the year. Makers.

533
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: So the Postal inspectors they went to the Brinks gang.

534
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 3: Please do they have anything good there?

535
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: I come to you with tears in my eyes, please, trying.

536
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: To solve this robbery.

537
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: So that went about how you'd expect. Yeah, no, they said,

538
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: big Nope, they wouldn't even mean still don't like y'all. Yeah,

539
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: they're like, no, I'm not taking visitors in jail right now.

540
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: So this was huge news, this robbery. August twenty seventh,

541
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two, Postmaster General Jay Edward Day he announced

542
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: a reward of fifty thousand dollars that was up from

543
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: the previous Measley two thousand, and this was in exchange

544
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: for any information leading to the arrest and the conviction

545
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: of the gang. So over time the reward got up

546
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So that reward,

547
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 2: it was even offered to people who may or may

548
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: not have killed the unknown suspects.

549
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: You're allowed to bring them in dead or alive.

550
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: Dead or alive, So that meant that essentially their deaths

551
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: would be a conviction for the crime. Oh they said,

552
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: like Josh Randall have ad and they're like if you

553
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 2: kill them, I gut You know that one slide. So

554
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: things dragged on.

555
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 3: As long as you kill the right one, you know.

556
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: Things drag on. Yeah, there are no solid leads, no

557
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: movement in the case. Years go by. At a congressional hearing,

558
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: Chief New England Postal Inspector William F. White, he downplayed

559
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Speaker 2: rumors of a rift between the Massachusetts State Police and

560
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Speaker 2: his department.

561
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: The letter carriers.

562
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Speaker 2: He said he'd met with Public Safety Commissioner Francus Giles

563
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: and that quote, we have a complete understanding. Our objectives

564
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: are to push the case and not be concerned about

565
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: what went on in the past, Like what, I don't

566
00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: believe that. Yeah, did one steal another one's promise? I

567
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: want the juzy details. So while the new England Chief

568
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: Postal Inspector may have wiped the slate clean with the

569
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Speaker 2: state Police, the US Postmaster General was irritated that the

570
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Speaker 2: state police hadn't safeguarded the truck. How are they supposed

571
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: to know? Whatever, it's your job, your that's your truck

572
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: out there, dude, it.

573
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: Seems like that'd be your micromanager out there all under.

574
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: All this pressure and they start sniping at each other.

575
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: The pressure didn't ease up, though, because they had a

576
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Speaker 2: five year statute of limitations approaching.

577
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Speaker 3: Okay, so they really need to get it otherwise they're

578
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: going to say.

579
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Speaker 2: And so as we're going through these five years, things,

580
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, they got unethical. They had a totally out

581
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Speaker 2: of control surveillance on all known armed robbers in the

582
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Speaker 2: Greater Boston area. Really, yeah, they just spread a wide net,

583
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: and so just as the statute of limitations was about

584
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: to run out, five suspects were charged. John J. Kelly,

585
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: who worked for the Patriarcha crime family, George Adjustellis, Joseph Tripley,

586
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Speaker 2: Thomas Richards, and Patricia da Fair. So the real focus

587
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: was on Kelly and Richard's and Diaferio.

588
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: Interesting mix of Greek, Irish and Italian. Yeah.

589
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Kelly had served time in the past for

590
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: receiving stolen property after a robbery back in the fifties.

591
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: But the charges, like Boston Hardman usual suspects, we got

592
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: five people.

593
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: The charges he got the Patriarcha crime family and then

594
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: all these other kind of hangers on. The charges they

595
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: came almost five years to the day after the robbery.

596
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: I mean, they slid in, but there had been a

597
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: lot of work to get to that point, not all

598
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: of it on the up and up. So according to

599
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: Kelly himself, quote shortly after the robbery, I'd say within

600
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: a week or two, the postals and the police rounded

601
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: up scores of ex convicts who had at one time

602
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: or another been connected with bank robberies. I was one

603
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: of those scores. They interviewed me and I answered all

604
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: their questions. I had nothing to hide. I really wasn't concerned.

605
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: A few weeks after that, I noted that the postal

606
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: inspectors were following me around in cars. They were in

607
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: front of stores where I went. They seem to be

608
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 2: everywhere that I was. I didn't know it at the time,

609
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: but they were doing the same thing with Richard's and

610
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: Trip and he means Joseph tripley with them. So they're

611
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: just like obviously tailing these people. Back in October of

612
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two, postal inspector Raymond Dunn, he named Richards

613
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: in an Affidavid, resulting in a search warrant for his house.

614
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: Zarin close you.

615
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 3: At Oh you snuck it up on always all right?

616
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: I want you to picture it. Yes, it's September of

617
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two. You live on Regatta Road in North Weymouth, Massachusetts.

618
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 3: Look at me.

619
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: You have a lovely house overlooking the Weymouth for River

620
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: and the stunning George Lane Beach. It's a cozy neighborhood.

621
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: Look am I view?

622
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: You are a pervert. Jesus, you spy on your neighbors

623
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: all the time. You sick freak.

624
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: Look at them.

625
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: You have a special treehouse you've built in your backyard.

626
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: It gives you sits on the house behind you as

627
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: well as your next door neighbors. The Richards family.

628
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: Don't look at me.

629
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: You go to the city a lot to a special

630
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: shop that sells state of the arts surveillance. Of course,

631
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: you've managed to score a parabolic listening device that makes

632
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: it feel like you are right there in the room

633
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: with your neighbors.

634
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: I've got cameras from my shoe tips.

635
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: You are a strange man. On this day. You climb

636
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: up into your treehouse and set up your binoculars on

637
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: a tripod and adjust your listening device. With the birds

638
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: chirp and you can hear faint ocean waves in the distance.

639
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: Nothing's going on at the house behind you, so you

640
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: rotate your viewing and listening devices to face the Richards house.

641
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: This tunes out the beach and all you hear is

642
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: the daily routine of the Richards with sweet chirping of

643
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: songbirds in the background. You're hoping missus Richards will walk

644
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: around and lacy underthings, something she hasn't done before. But hey,

645
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: there's the first time for everything. Maybe they'll talk about

646
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 2: their bowel movements. You're up for anything. I'm telling you.

647
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: You are a strange man.

648
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: I got a big book.

649
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: You hear a knock at their door. They have a

650
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: huge window at the back of the house that looks

651
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: through to the front door in the living room.

652
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: That's lucky, I can see everything.

653
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So a man in a suit walks into the house. Now,

654
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: mister Richards, isn't the suit and high kind of guy?

655
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: A little rough around the edges, so you can't figure

656
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: out what this guy wants or how they know each other.

657
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: Richards tells the guy in the suit that he's aware

658
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: his house is going to be searched. The guy in

659
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: the suit tells him that's true, Yes, your house is

660
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: going to be searched. Or my name isn't Postal Inspector

661
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: Raymond Dunn? Ah, that's who it is. Richards asks him

662
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: how that was all going to shake out. Dunn tells

663
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: him to ignore the search and just cooperate. Looseno, relaxless.

664
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable return the money, you know, claim the reward.

665
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: This is getting juicy, even though it's not filthy's there

666
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: and you're in so Richards says to done. Supposing I

667
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: say I could come up with some of the money,

668
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: couldn't we just say I've found it? Missus Richards, Sylvia

669
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: pipes up and asks her husband how he's mixed up

670
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: in all this. Richards tells her it's like a chain.

671
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: One thing leads to another. You get involved a little,

672
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: but one thing leads to another. Done looks over at Sylvia. Sylvia,

673
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: that rope looks a lot like something you'd use to

674
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: tie up a mail truck driver and guard. Sylvia hadn't

675
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: heard him. What'd you say? Nothing? Never mind, says done. Done, leaves,

676
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: and then Sylvia turns around and draws the gaudy drapes.

677
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: You move your binoculars and listening device back around towards

678
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: the neighbors behind you and hopes you'll catch them cooking,

679
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: naked or something too. So Done's conversation there that you

680
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: with us led to that Affidavid I spoke of earlier,

681
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: which led to the search warrant, the search what.

682
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: Would lead to my arrest in my time and.

683
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: Group there, Never got caught, never got.

684
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: Okay, this is Boston's erin come on exactly.

685
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: Forget it, zaren It's so. The search turned up three

686
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars in cash, and they found that

687
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: underneath the bathroom floor, and Richards was like, that's my

688
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: gambling winnings. They found a twelve gage shotgun, bulletproof.

689
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: Vests, also gambling winnings.

690
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: Yes, two police issue belts, and a forty five caliber

691
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: pistol with a US Army stamp on. I keep in mind,

692
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: there was that guy dress is the cop for the robbery.

693
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: That was the costume I was talking about. And the

694
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: postal employees said the gunman had shotguns close to Bingo.

695
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: So the house was totally trashed by the US Marshals

696
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: and the postal agents. They ripped out walls and ceilings.

697
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: I just like this one.

698
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: They like, this place is tacky.

699
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: Let's have at it.

700
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: And you're just in the treehouse watching. They took this

701
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: wallaknock it down right up the floorboards. They removed panels

702
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: from outside walls and eaves and then they sug come off.

703
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: They took a jackhammer and dug up the patio.

704
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: And look at this.

705
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: Just the property values just took a dog after this

706
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: carb appeal. God, So with that warrant and its fruits,

707
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: hopefully not of the poison, try Kelly Richards and Tripley.

708
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: They got lawyered up. Who did they retain? None other

709
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: than f Lee Bailey, whoa super famous criminal defense attorney.

710
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Usually social justice the attorney.

711
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he represented a Boston strangler suspect. That's true,

712
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: Patty Hurst, Sam Sheppard, the inspiration for the TV show

713
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: and movie The Fugitive, And he was also part of

714
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: the O. J. Simpson legal dream team. And he was

715
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: a native son of Massachusetts.

716
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: I did not know that.

717
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: Yes, so Kelly and Richards. They were released on twenty

718
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars bail. Diefario, who looked like the blonde

719
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: woman who was seen on the Root three overpass. She

720
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: got out on bail for five thousand. Kelly said he

721
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: was abused by the cops. He also said that they

722
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: harassed his cats.

723
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me too far?

724
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: Cops? He said that to a judge, He's like, your honor,

725
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: they're harassing my cats. On January first, nineteen sixty three,

726
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: Bailey gave a press conference with his clients, and he

727
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: said that quote. Several sources informed him postal officials were

728
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: hoping to indict Richards in a different robbery that one

729
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: was pulled the previous march in Lynn, Massachusetts at the

730
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: Essex Trust Company. So two men in stocking masks there

731
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: made off with more than twenty eight thousand dollars. One

732
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: fired a shot into the ceiling during the robbery to

733
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: really drive home the point that they meant business. So

734
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: after they left the bank, the guys took off in

735
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: a green and white Oldsmobile driven by a third man.

736
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: I think that green and white was discovered in some

737
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: of the evidence that green and white olds. So Bailey

738
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: said that he was told by a little birdie that

739
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: postal agents figured that if they could indict Richards for

740
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 2: the Essex Trust robbery, they could get him to flip

741
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: on the others for the Plymouth job. So Richards, Kelly Tripoli,

742
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: they let everyone know that they were under constant surveillance.

743
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: They had also been offered immunity and up to two

744
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars if they identified the robbers

745
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: and then told where the money was. US Attorney w

746
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: Arthur Garret Parady Junior totally denied all this. He said

747
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: the reward was only the two hundred thousand dollars and

748
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: it was available to anyone, not just you guys. Let's

749
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: take a break, check out some ads. When we get back,

750
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: we'll swing our surveillance equipment over toward another of the suspects.

751
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: George Agistotleus.

752
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: I still can't believe you made me a pervert.

753
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: Hello is Aaron? Welcome?

754
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: Hello Elizabeth, you better watch your button next week.

755
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: Well, I am sorry for making you a pervert. By

756
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: the way, I just couldn't resist it. We've looked at

757
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: how things went with John Kelly, Joseph Tripoli and Thomas Richards,

758
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: But what of George Adgustotles, What about George? On January tenth,

759
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three, George relief a sixteen page statement to

760
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: the papers via his lawyer at Flee Bailey. He kcked

761
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: him into He said he was offered ten thousand dollars

762
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: by a postal agent if he'd named specific people involved

763
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: in the robbery. He said he'd been getting six hundred

764
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: dollars a week from postal agents to help incriminate Kelly,

765
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: Tripley and Richards. There's a lot of money. He said.

766
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: He didn't have anything to do with the Plymouth mail

767
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: truck robbery. He was going to go public with all

768
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: this because he was afraid he'd be killed or sent

769
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: back to prison, and he was tired of all the

770
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: harassment from the cops. I'm guessing they went after his

771
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: cats too. They were really just like.

772
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: And his fish probably.

773
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: Just like endless tapping on the hole there. So he

774
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: pointed out that he had a solid alibi. He'd been

775
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: at the drive in with his wife, brother in law,

776
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: and mother in law working flat. Sounds like a night

777
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: And he added that Kelly Tripley and Richards, they weren't

778
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: involved in the robbery either. They were all being set up.

779
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: The drive in law.

780
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: There was they're in the trunk. There was some merit

781
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: with what he had to say. He'd been secretly recording

782
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: all of his interactions with the cops, so this wasn't

783
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: just him talking. There was an agent who lived in

784
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: his neighborhood who was trying to flip him. George said

785
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: he was acting as a quote double agent in the investigation. First,

786
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: he taped conversations with Kelly, Tripley and Richards and handed

787
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: those over to the postal inspectors. So he turns on

788
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: his pals. Then he turned around and he started taping

789
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: his interactions with the inspectors.

790
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 3: They hand those to his buddies.

791
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: He's playing both saw. Yeah, So the ten thousand he

792
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: was supposed to get was going to come, according to him,

793
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: from each of those one thousand postal inspectors in the

794
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: country chipping in one hundred dollars each. They were like

795
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: in a crowd fund. That the money for him.

796
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: He's extorting all of the agents.

797
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: Essentially, it's not that the agents rally together like work.

798
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: You give George one hundred thousand dollars and he's going

799
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: to like set everybody up and move this forward.

800
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's saying that. Essentially they did this on their own.

801
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Uh huh. Yeah.

802
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 4: Basically they started themselves for him, like for a we

803
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 4: don't only think bad to happen, so let's all.

804
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: Take care of And apparently any postal inspector who wouldn't

805
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: kick in would be transferred to Boston, which no one likes.

806
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: I have no idea why that is. It doesn't seem

807
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: like that would be a bad gig. I mean, you're

808
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: around a bunch of stuff.

809
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: So I've been sold.

810
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: Sent ball to Boston. It's like Siberia. So George had

811
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: a heart condition. He said that he and his wife

812
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: hoped that it would take the heat and the stress

813
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: off of him if he provided the names of Kelly,

814
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: Tripley and Richards, even though he was positive that none

815
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: of them had anything to do with the robbery. And

816
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: he said, quote, I thought that no harm could possibly

817
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: come from me giving him their names. You know they can't,

818
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: he said. Flee Bailey had a tape recording of an

819
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: agent promising him ten thousand dollars if he testified against

820
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: both Richards and Kelly for the quincy robbery that other one,

821
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: and that if the male robbery was solved, they'd give

822
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: him another two hundred thousand. So there's just like and

823
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: they have a tape recording up with his cousin. There

824
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: is a witness. Postal agents told George that once the

825
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: court case was over, they would put the money in

826
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: banks in Mexico or anywhere else that he wanted. They'll

827
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: give him passports, they'll lift his parole.

828
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: They just really wanted a bust.

829
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: Really wanted a bust.

830
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of them that know about this.

831
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, just like, yeah, everyone's working on they're all chipping in,

832
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: you know, around the office. So as soon as the

833
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: stagment corruption e Flee Bailey releases this statement, George goes

834
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: into hiding. He said that Bailey eflee. Bailey said the

835
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: treatment his clients experienced by the postal agents made them

836
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: all marked men. And I mean there there was that

837
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: thing about how you could take him out and still

838
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: get paid. Wanted dead or alive?

839
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, I mean they have Bailey said death.

840
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Bailey said he was going to sue on behalf

841
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: of his clients on grounds that their civil rights had

842
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: been violated. He said, it quote overtly encourages the slaughter

843
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: of the suspects. It's a license to kill. This offer

844
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: makes it plain to any reward seeker that to collect

845
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: the fifty thousand dollars he need only shoot the su

846
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: suspect rather than wait for or risk an eventual conviction.

847
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: This is no less than a license to kill and

848
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: is a shocking example of gestoppo tactics.

849
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: Just about to say, they basically have given them a

850
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 4: license to kill and are kind of like, you know,

851
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 4: getting ahead of the whole process of justice.

852
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there has.

853
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: Been They're ignoring the presumption of innocence.

854
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes, so, Bailey. He sent telegrams to Senators Leverett, Saltonstall

855
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: and Edward M. Kennedy, oh at the Senators of the

856
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: Great State of Massachusetts, Commonwealth, Great State Commonwealth Massachusetts, Commonwealth

857
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: of Massachusetts, apologies Massachusetts, that he wanted an investigation. Quote,

858
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: I feel that as the senior representatives of the people

859
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: of Massachusetts, you ought to cause an official investigation of

860
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: this entire shameful situation. The conduct of postal officials in

861
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: this case certainly ought to be investigated, otherwise the public

862
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: will be jeopardized and their civil rights will be trampled on.

863
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: How that the post Office is coming out.

864
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: All totally and I love the post Office. On August second,

865
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven, just before the end of the Statute

866
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: of Limitations, John Kelly, Tommy Richards, and Patricia Diafario were indicted.

867
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: Kelly and Diaphario were both eventually acquitted, and Richards, who

868
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: had flipped and was going to testify against the others,

869
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: he disappeared forever. He left his job a week or

870
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: so before he was supposed to testify and was never

871
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: seen again. Really his lawyer where f lee. Bailey said

872
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: a Richards family spokesman had told him that Richards had

873
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: gone on an impromptu holiday, and Bailey didn't know about

874
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: this vacation until it was already under way. He said

875
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: Richards had been getting death threats from people who believed

876
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: he had the money and wanted a share of it.

877
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: And let's not forget that John Kelly was a member

878
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: of the Patriarcha crime family. Sure, after Richards disappeared, all

879
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: charges were dropped and a lot of other suspects and

880
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: informants also quote went on Vaca. So who's to say,

881
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he may have.

882
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: Also a very busy travel agent in Boston.

883
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the family were they trying to intimate that

884
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: the guy actually might have gotten away to Mexico or

885
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: were they trying to say like he might have tried

886
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: to get away and then someone else car A lot.

887
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: Of ways to read it. It could be that he

888
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: was trying to get away and someone caught him. It

889
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: could be like search the bottom of the river. It

890
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: could also be that, like the FEDS picked him up

891
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: for something and he's turning on a larger Oh.

892
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: And he's been now living in Arizona.

893
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Yeah, which is a good possibility. So have

894
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: you speaking of which, have you ever heard of Vincent

895
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: Fat Vinnie? Teresa?

896
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: And he stopped calling me, But he was a member of.

897
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: The Patriarch I don't know. He was a top captain

898
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: to Raymond Patriarch. He came from a Sicilian mafia family

899
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: and was deep in the life from a young age.

900
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: He actually developed a gambling addiction when he was in

901
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: elementary school.

902
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: Mom, man, I know.

903
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: He was also a super violent kid. Something that you

904
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: know set him off on a bad course.

905
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: So he was impulsive, that's what you're telling me.

906
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: He got his start in the mob with arson insurance

907
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: rackets and he ran a nightclub on Cape cod that

908
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 2: was a front for loan sharking and racketeering.

909
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 3: Okay.

910
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: He was sentenced in nineteen sixty nine to twenty years

911
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: for conspiracy and transporting stolen securities. Wow, those pop up

912
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: all the time.

913
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: He missed the entire seventies and eighties.

914
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: Well, no, So he did a little bit of time

915
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: at Lewisbourg with John Gotti, Jimmy Hoffa, and Carmine Galante.

916
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: That's a group for yeah, that's as a.

917
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: Fun little group. And so he found out when he

918
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: was there that people inside the Patriarcha family, the crime family,

919
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: had stolen four million dollars in cash that he had

920
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: set aside for his real family while he was on

921
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: the inside, and he was irate. So like, he's got

922
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: the two families here, but his personal family is going

923
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: to come first. So he's so mad when he finds

924
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 2: out they stole four million dollars that he becomes an

925
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: FBI informant.

926
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

927
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. He testified in front of the US Senate in

928
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, and his testimony led to more than

929
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 2: fifty mob members being indicted.

930
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: Oh he was part of that big way, uh huh.

931
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: So of course he goes into witness protection and he

932
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: took on the name Charles Cantino. So he said that

933
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: he was a made man, but he never killed anyone.

934
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: Was he so close to Conto like the singer.

935
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like exactly, he's Aino. So he was made, but

936
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: he said he never killed anyone, and the government backed

937
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: him up on that. Really, he got his position because

938
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 2: he was such a good money maker. He was able

939
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 2: to either money or family can and so for that reason,

940
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: here's another one. I challenge you to do an episode

941
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: on I think you got to do Fat Vinnie to Cantina.

942
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: Are you writing these down?

943
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: I got a note Cantino over here.

944
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: Write him down. You're pervert. Okay, So why am I

945
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: telling you about fat Vinnie?

946
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 4: I tell you I get Bernacchios for my birthday. Suddenly

947
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 4: I'm the pervert.

948
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I see how.

949
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: Your mind was coming together over here thinking about birds.

950
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: You're like, I know, sure, I know a bird you're

951
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: looking at. Come on?

952
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: So that Vinnie. While in whitsec Teresa aka Cantino, he

953
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: wrote some books.

954
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 3: That's how you do it, Elizabeth, So first were getting

955
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: a book deal.

956
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: There was one in nineteen seventy three called My Life

957
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: in the Mafia, bad title, yeah, and that one was

958
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: co written with a Newsday writer. It detailed his mob

959
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: career and the nineteen sixties Boston Irish mob wars. Interesting reader, sure.

960
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: Then there was Vinnie Teresa's Mafia.

961
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: Much Better Time.

962
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a restaurant that some hoth that comes

963
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: with the recipe in nineteen seventy five. He also co

964
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: wrote it with the what's his name Thomas Renner of Newsday,

965
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: and that one told the tale of his time thus

966
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: far in the Witness Protection program. And then lastly there

967
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: was a fictional novel. Although hold on, I don't think

968
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: you're supposed to write about being in witness protection while

969
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: in witness protection. But okay, the last one. There was

970
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: a fictional novel called Wise Guys, and.

971
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 4: This the adaptation for the Broadway show It's Just Amazing.

972
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: This one came out in nineteen seventy eight and it

973
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: was written by just Him, Just Teresa. It's the story

974
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: of Johnny Forza, who's basically fat Vannie. He's a betrayed

975
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: government witness. He fights with a former friend and cosa

976
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: Nostra member named Butch, who is a thinly disguised New

977
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 2: Jersey mobster Frank Butch Misscelli. And so it talks about

978
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: his life on the run and a final showdown with

979
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: everyone you can think of. Now, my life in the Mafia, does.

980
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 4: He have a lot of women throwing themselves at him? Oh,

981
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 4: I'm sure, always winning card games, driving fast.

982
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 3: Okay, go on.

983
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: But then that first book, My Life in the Mafia,

984
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: he went on the record to say that Kelly was

985
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: the one behind the Plymouth heist.

986
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: Oh, he publishes it, put it.

987
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: Right in a book, and that Kelly organized the whole thing, Yes,

988
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: and that he took eighty percent of the money. Dang,

989
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: lays it all out there.

990
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 3: That your limitations up. So he's like, time to tell

991
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: the tales.

992
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, those aren't the only books out there that

993
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: are about this, or pert have you heard of Ernest Tidyman.

994
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 3: Let's pretend I have.

995
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: I ask you this because I feel like you pretty

996
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: much know everything already and like if I come up

997
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: with it, you're.

998
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I know that.

999
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: Okay. I'm hoping that if I check ahead of time,

1000
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: like I could actually stump you, and at least like

1001
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: I did. He's the author of Shaft and he also

1002
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: won an Oscar for his screenplay.

1003
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: Guys in Shaft Goes to Africa Shaft.

1004
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. He wrote The French Connection. What Yeah? So in

1005
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two he wrote a book called Big Bucks,

1006
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: The True Outrageous Story of the Plymouth Mail Robbery, Ellipses

1007
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: and how they got away with It. It's a great book,

1008
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: by the way, thanks to archive dot org coming up

1009
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: with it. So here's the start of the author's note.

1010
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: I was invited to write a true story of the

1011
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: Plymouth mail Robbery by a man I believe to have

1012
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: been one of the participants up to that time. In

1013
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two, it was the largest cash haul of

1014
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: its kind ever to have been made. I reviewed this

1015
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: astonishing firsthand information in weeks and months of interviewing. This

1016
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: is essentially the story I found, with almost all the

1017
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: names changed and some reconstruction of conversations. The characters on

1018
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: both sides of the law are funny, frightening, brilliant and evil.

1019
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 3: Wow.

1020
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: So, as I said, he changed the names, but he

1021
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: starts the whole thing from the very beginning. And this

1022
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: is the essential question that's not really covered much elsewhere.

1023
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: How did the heist crew know that there'd be all

1024
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: the cash and silver certificates in the truck.

1025
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: That night on that Road's yeah.

1026
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: That was bothering me. So some had posited it was

1027
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: an insight, of course, and that's what Tidyman put forward

1028
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: in his telling. It's a seasoned journalist who spends his

1029
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: days stopping in at the US Postal Service main office

1030
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: in Boston, picking the brains of the inspectors for stories.

1031
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: They know him super well. He's there all the time.

1032
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: They tell him once about how the government wants to

1033
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: save money by moving the money in large USPS trucks

1034
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 2: instead of an armor car, and he tracks this new

1035
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 2: idea that they mentioned, and he gets little bits of

1036
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: information ahead of the heist, little bits of information about

1037
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: how they're planning on doing this. He finds out that

1038
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: they'll do a run from Cape Cod to Boston, and

1039
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: he eventually casually asks if it's happening and when, and

1040
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: everyone in the office knows and trusts him. They think

1041
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: nothing of it, so they tell him as Tityman acknowledges

1042
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: he did have to take some liberties. So I'm wondering

1043
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: if in real life it was just an outsider who

1044
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: had extraordinary access to the office and not exactly a journalist.

1045
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: Sure, but who knows.

1046
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: So later in the book, he says that there were

1047
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: actually six participants and no woman, that the one blonde

1048
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: that someone saw on the Clark Road overpass was actually

1049
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: one of the guys dressed like a woman to throw

1050
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: people off while acting as a lookout. So despite the

1051
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 2: literary clues and statements, the case is technically unsolved. What

1052
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: do you think I think that it was Kelly.

1053
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: I think so too. Yeah, I mean that's kind of

1054
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: the Okham's razor version of this story.

1055
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I am really curious as to who was

1056
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 2: the informant who got them side information. That's how about

1057
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: you what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1058
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know the song shipping Off to Boston.

1059
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: No, no, the drop Kick Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it

1060
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: is shipping off to bod.

1061
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: Right, So when you were talking about the postal inspectors

1062
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: having to be threatened they were going to be shipped

1063
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: off to Boston or transferred.

1064
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 3: I kept hearing the song. Yeah, just entirely.

1065
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: The last part of this story has been soundtracked by

1066
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 4: the Dropkick Murphy's like it was a Martin Scorsese film.

1067
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 3: It's been amazing.

1068
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: Well, once you start talking about Dropkick Murphy's, now I'm

1069
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: gonna have rose tattoo in my head for the rest

1070
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: of the Infectious.

1071
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: The gift that keeps giving. It really is like herpes.

1072
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: Yes, that's it. That's it for today. You can find

1073
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: us online at ridiculous Crime dot com. We're also at

1074
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,120
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1075
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,680
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1076
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1077
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Dave

1078
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Speaker 2: Cousten Angry, great uncle of the Patriarchal Crime Family. Research

1079
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1084
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Speaker 2: and Postal truck guard Noel Brown weds Quime Say It

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