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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's Monday, Seattle Seahawks super Bowl victory Monday.

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Speaker 1: We are live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever

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Speaker 1: you may be and however you may be listening. Matt

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Speaker 1: Hasselbeck is five minutes away. So wow. You know, sports

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Speaker 1: is so great. You just never know what you're going

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Speaker 1: to get in sports. It's just so amazing. My sister

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Speaker 1: didn't even like sports my old whole childhood. And then

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks, you know, they get the Russell Pete John

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Speaker 1: Snyder thing. And now she's I got emoji's firing at me.

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Speaker 1: She's all fired up about I call her after the

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Speaker 1: game last night. She's like, ah, we were setting off fireworks.

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Speaker 1: We're all going crazy here in Grayln, Washington. All right,

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Speaker 1: here we go. Colin Wright, Colin Wrang.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold seven hundred yards, five touchdowns, no picks, and

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Speaker 1: a one h two passer rating in the Superior NFC

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Speaker 1: playoffs in Super Bowl. I never wavered on Sam because

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Speaker 1: quarterback is about traits, arm size, mobility, toughness, humility. I

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Speaker 1: always ask people in the league who I respected, and

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Speaker 1: the smart people always said, he just needs the right fit.

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Speaker 1: He came into the league at twenty in New York

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Speaker 1: and he just didn't have great college coaching. He just

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Speaker 1: got overwhelmed. Just wait until he gets the right coach.

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Speaker 1: Way to go, Sam. Where Colin was wrong, Seattle dominated

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Speaker 1: the scoreboard more than I thought. I thought it would

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Speaker 1: be close, but Drake May was so ineffective. Some of

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Speaker 1: it is Will Campbell, who will eventually, my guess is

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Speaker 1: get moved inside. But I mean three nothing in the

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Speaker 1: turnover department for the Seahawks. They got better quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: I mean, by the early second quarter, it felt like

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Speaker 1: we had the makings potentially of a blowout, and that

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Speaker 1: I knew it was a potential outcome. But it's not

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Speaker 1: the outcome I predicted. Where Colin was right, I said

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Speaker 1: last week the one thing I was certain about in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, New England would not be able to

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Speaker 1: run the ball. Their offensive line not good enough. They're

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Speaker 1: not dynamic enough. They had forty two yards rushing by

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Speaker 1: running backs, and again Drake May had a couple of

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Speaker 1: scrambles that makes it look more dynamic. But they still

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Speaker 1: need to attack the offensive line in the draft. We

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Speaker 1: had said throughout the course of the playoff run, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots are still a draft away from elevating their tight

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Speaker 1: end group, elevating their offensive line. But my concern in

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Speaker 1: And he was one in seven in games in which

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: I did not have Christian Gonzalez in my top ten

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Speaker 1: players in the Super Bowl. I think I had him

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Speaker 1: up a lot. He reminds me of Christian Watson of

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Speaker 1: the Packers. He looks, I mean, he is literally an

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Speaker 1: Adonis with no body fat. He's just a remarkable athlete.

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Speaker 1: And on this this ball is a little behind JSN,

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, I said.

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Speaker 1: After Seattle lost to the Rams, I said, what team

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Speaker 1: They just got to clean their act up and if

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Defensive head coaches won the day. McVeigh, Ben Johnson, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Drake May. Where Colin was right Devin Witherspoon, to me,

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Speaker 2: Go get him where Colin was right?

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Speaker 1: Well, I said Matt Stafford should be MVP over Drake May.

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Speaker 1: And the reason isn't stats or analytics. It's because Matt

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Speaker 1: see how good that Seahawk defense is. Stafford tore apart

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Speaker 1: big plays. Stafford is something that Drake May can't possibly

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Speaker 1: be yet at twenty three years old. The maturity. I

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Speaker 1: said before, Matt Stafford has more fourth quarter comeback wins

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Speaker 1: than Drake May has. Pro starts. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear about analytics and starts. They're just different quarterbacks. And

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Speaker 1: that's why, as Tom Brady said last week, so many

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright, Colin wrong with that? A very happy man

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Speaker 1: is joining us live. Matt Hasselback a decade with the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: eighteen years in the NFL. Look at that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if happy he's the right way right now, Colin.

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Speaker 3: Maybe regretful should have gone to bed earlier.

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Speaker 1: Man, Hey, man, there's one.

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Speaker 3: I was avvy yesterday. I was havvy yesterday. I know

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Speaker 3: that for sure. I got a few days to recover.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a parade in Seattle on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: I got some time. But yeah, what an incredible day yesterday.

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Speaker 1: You know it's funny, I don't you didn't hear this

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Speaker 1: because you were on the field. So they asked Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: believe he said it. He goes, well, if Seattle doesn't

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Speaker 1: turn it over, this could get ugly. When you're in

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Speaker 1: at that and go, man, Seattle just looks a little different.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, with the exception of the defense for New

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Speaker 3: England was holding them to field goals not touchdowns. So

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Speaker 3: you know, it was like Felix Sihawks were dominating, especially

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Speaker 3: great Patriot defenses early on that they gave up a

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Speaker 4: So much, you know, so many football games.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you know that defense for New England they just

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Speaker 3: so many punts. I think it was like eight punts

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Speaker 3: eventually that defense is just gonna wear down. And I

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Speaker 1: You know, Mike McDonald calls his own plays. I always

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Speaker 1: I get why certain coaches are like, listen, this is

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Speaker 3: Well, you got to remember why you got hired in

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Speaker 3: for that. I mean, this Seahawks defense was so good

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Speaker 3: usually we're not going to be a blitz repeating team,

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Speaker 4: It's not normal.

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Speaker 3: You know, Devin Witherspoon's an incredible, incredible corner, incredible corner,

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Speaker 3: But that's a Devin Witherspoon and Mike McDonald touchdown in

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Speaker 3: I mean I'm talking great defenses. They try to score

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Speaker 3: that's what I thought. I think that's what I saw

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Speaker 1: It was interesting. Matt as somebody that's at home and

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Speaker 1: just a sportscaster who's never been on the field in

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Speaker 1: a game. I try to watch a game plan and

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Speaker 1: so aggressive. They're doing this because they know they're offensively,

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Speaker 1: them jump routes, I'm like, that is insanely aggressive. What

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, And to me, I think when I look

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Speaker 3: on offense, they're equally like they're that experience on defense.

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Speaker 3: When I look at that Patriots defense, I see a

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Speaker 3: this is a good defense. They're not the deepest defense,

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Speaker 3: but they're pretty good offensively. They just struggle.

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Speaker 1: They're young.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to get better someday. It was

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Speaker 3: just a tough matchup against a great defense. But that

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Speaker 2: They just wore down.

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Speaker 3: You're our guy, Sam, You're our guy. You don't have

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Speaker 3: We've put our money where our mouth is. We could

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Speaker 3: People in the building were probably saying, now, he's not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, Drake May J. Mack had said

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Speaker 1: Drake may Are you worried that he looked overwhelmed? Maybe

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Speaker 3: know how he does it. The dude's a machine. Very

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Speaker 3: impressive because, uh it was. It was a good time.

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Speaker 1: Great see anybody awesome.

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Speaker 2: Colin.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm staring at that Seattle Seahawk hat and he's

436
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Speaker 1: a former Seahawk and I'm thinking, now, where are you

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Speaker 1: go in Seattle? Oh? Wait, the game was in Santa Clara.

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Speaker 1: I should probably know that, you know, I said. Before

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Speaker 1: the game was starting. I turned to Ryan because we

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Speaker 1: were together watching this, and I said, Seattle knows this stadium,

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Speaker 1: they know the angles like Seattle's. This is. This feels

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Speaker 1: like a little bit There was a lot more Seahawk fans.

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Speaker 1: It felt a little bit like sixty five thirty five.

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Speaker 1: It felt like a Seattle home game in terms of

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Speaker 1: they've played in this stadium multiple times.

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Speaker 6: Even Darnold look comfortable in the opening drive. They go

447
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Speaker 6: right down the field for the field goal. But I

448
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Speaker 6: want to let me ask something about what he said.

449
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Speaker 6: Hasselbeck was talking about May and he didn't look look right.

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Speaker 6: He talked about getting that shot after the you know,

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Speaker 6: before the game. I'm just do you say, how much

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Speaker 6: do you think he was? Like eighty percent healthy? Seventy

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Speaker 6: five shot before a game. It means you're in pain.

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Speaker 4: After a two week layoff. That's not great at all.

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Speaker 6: So maybe I'm overreacting to this poor postseason.

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Speaker 4: Well I didn't, and he's been burned up.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate Matt Hasselbeck. I really appreciate Matt Hasselbeck saying

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Speaker 1: and admitting that this is how I felt. Why aren't

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Speaker 1: you attacking Seattle with the tight ends? The Rams do

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Speaker 1: a really effective job of that. Hunter Henry's a very

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Speaker 1: nice tight end. I want I want twelve targets to him.

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Speaker 1: I want three step drops. I want a lot of

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Speaker 1: swing passes. In fact, if you looked at the opening

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Speaker 1: drive for New England, they had they did a couple

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Speaker 1: of swing passes. You have to get Seattle in some space.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, excellent tackling team, but that's one

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Speaker 1: of you. If you're thinking you're going to drop with

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Speaker 1: a left tackle, Will Campbell with a quarterback that's not

469
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent With a team in Seattle that gets

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Speaker 1: pressure with four that is not a legitimate game plan.

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Speaker 1: You have got to bring in tricks, you've got to

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Speaker 1: do swing passes, you've got to be very hunter Henry.

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Speaker 4: Aware, no gadget plays. It all done.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Seattle as the favorite. Did you

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Speaker 1: notice how many times they either did fake reverses to

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Speaker 1: us Sahita three times in the first couple of drives.

477
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Speaker 1: So Seattle was trying to be more creative and taking

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Speaker 1: more chances than New England, and Seattle's got better personnel.

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Speaker 1: So I thought it was a pretty conservative game plan.

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Speaker 4: Who came up with that?

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Speaker 6: Josh McDaniel's the architect of like seven Tom Brady first

482
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Speaker 6: quarters that did nothing.

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Speaker 1: Tenth straight Patriot Super Bowl appearance without a first quarter touchdown,

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Speaker 1: and a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of those are Josh mcdamie's, So what is that

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Speaker 6: just ultra conservative?

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Speaker 1: Ever, I didn't love the game plan. Again, this is

488
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Speaker 1: what coaches do. They look at film. You are watching,

489
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Speaker 1: will Campbell get devoured by all these defenses, especially Houston. Well,

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Speaker 1: Seattle and Houston have defenses. As we've said multiple times

491
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Speaker 1: this year, turn the sound down the Texans and Seahawks

492
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Speaker 1: defenses do not look like even the Chargers doesn't look

493
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Speaker 1: quite that good.

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Speaker 2: So both though everybody.

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Speaker 1: Knew in the building in New England, we're gonna struggle

496
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Speaker 1: protecting May's backside. Everybody knew that. All these coaches knew it.

497
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Speaker 1: Tight ends, bubble screens, trick plays, reverses, gadgets, you gotta

498
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Speaker 1: get Seattle like slowing down.

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Speaker 6: Or remember the stat about how McDonald against young quarterbacks

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Speaker 6: owned is there like one and nine, And we saw

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Speaker 6: that again with May.

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Speaker 4: He looked confused.

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Speaker 6: Apparently the Seahawks only blitz seven times the entire game.

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Speaker 4: They were getting home with.

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Speaker 1: Four, Like he said, Seattle's a non blitzing team, and

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Speaker 1: they brought corner blitzes.

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Speaker 6: And May was still totally rattled by this. So for

508
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Speaker 6: a gambling nugget, will file it for next September. If

509
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Speaker 6: the Seattle schedule has young quarterbacks, early fade those young

510
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Speaker 6: quarterbacks and load up on Seattle because this defense is just,

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's brutal.

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Speaker 1: He brought up a great point. Man Hasselbrek brought up

513
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Speaker 1: a great point. We're asking what are they gonna do

514
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Speaker 1: with Kenneth Walker, who's absolutely gonna have value on the market. Now,

515
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Speaker 1: he's not a guy you're gonna throw the ball to.

516
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Speaker 1: But everybody wants two running backs. If you have a

517
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Speaker 1: running back that has good hands, and then Kenneth Walker

518
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Speaker 1: can be the bulldozer. And he's said and I thought

519
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Speaker 1: this was really right, really clever. Because of the loss

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Speaker 1: of Clint Kubiak, and he will take other coaches. You

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Speaker 1: may pay Walker to create more dependability. You don't want

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Speaker 1: too much chaos.

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Speaker 6: On the offens familiarity right with the Walker. He also

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Speaker 6: said Kubiak brought Shaheed from New Orleans. I forgot about that.

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Speaker 6: Does he now take Shaheed, who's a free agent to

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Speaker 6: the Raiders as a potential field stretcher with Mendoza, I

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Speaker 6: h yeah, lost because he was huge.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a player I would pay

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Speaker 1: a I think the way well, but the way that

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks looked at Rashid she he was we're a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl roster. Okay, he's a final piece. You can't

532
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Speaker 1: make him a goat. He's not a volume by if

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Speaker 1: you have a really good team, like you'd bring him

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Speaker 1: to the chief with Mahomes and say, if Simmons ends

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Speaker 1: up being the left tackle they think he is and say, okay,

536
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Speaker 1: we need an over the top component here. I think

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Speaker 1: good teams that need a splash player like Seattle, that's

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Speaker 1: who pays him. And by the way, Seattle probably knew

539
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Speaker 1: he was a one year player. But you're looking at it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know how this league is. If you

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Speaker 1: are the Rams, let's go out and get Devonte Adams.

542
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Speaker 1: Why because McVay looks at the roster and thinks, can

543
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Speaker 1: we got Pooka? I love the tight ends, the backs.

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Speaker 1: We're a Super Bowl roster. Stafford's playing one or two

545
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Speaker 1: years left. You're gonna go get Devonte Adams. We're gonna

546
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Speaker 1: give up this, this, this, whatever you have to do.

547
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Speaker 1: So there's players fit certain teams, and I think I

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Speaker 1: don't think Rashid j Haid fits the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: Their timeline they need.

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Speaker 1: They you know what they need the guy they let

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Speaker 1: go to Jacksonville.

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Speaker 6: Jakobe Myers, Well, the kid Pierces from the Colts is

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Speaker 6: on the market. He's gonna command some top dollar. He's

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Speaker 6: a good receiver.

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Speaker 1: Now they need an eighty catch, even if it's five touchdown.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders need an eighty catch receive they need a

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Speaker 1: volume receivement and that's not what he is.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Jay Port, j Mac he got You know,

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Speaker 1: he's conflicted that he won all his bets yesterday, so

582
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Speaker 1: he's in a good mood. But he's come to the

583
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Speaker 1: realization over the last twelve to twenty four hours that

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Speaker 1: poor brock Perty is gonna get shut out of any

585
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Speaker 1: more postseason success.

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Speaker 4: Stop with this madness. Come on, you just think it's

587
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Speaker 4: Sam Dartld's world.

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Speaker 6: We're just living in it now, right, But when you're

589
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 6: I'm happy for you, let me get that out.

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Speaker 1: I've never done a Seattle Bass show today. I never

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Speaker 1: did sports radio in Seattle, so today I decided a

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Speaker 1: lot of Seattle today. You haven't been got hassled back

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Speaker 1: partying in Seattle. In's that the Santa Claire honestly Seattle on

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Speaker 1: my brain.

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Speaker 6: I'm expecting you to dip out of the show later

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Speaker 6: this week to go to the parade. I mean not right,

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Speaker 6: I mean, are you gonna text Schneider or your guy

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Speaker 6: about that?

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Speaker 1: I would love to get somebody live at the parade

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Speaker 1: who's a trustable source we can use.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Sam Darnold's.

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Speaker 1: After watching Devin Witherspoon, maybe it's him. Uh, he was

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Speaker 1: something else. He had the corner play yesterday between Christian Gonzalez,

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Speaker 1: Yeah and Devin Witherspoon. You may have been watching the

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00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: two most athletic corners in the league. Yeah, Gonzales was

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Speaker 1: good that with that deep ball that he knocked.

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Speaker 4: Down, it was like levitating it out there.

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Speaker 1: That was That is a poster. Yeah, that guy is insane.

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Speaker 1: He gets banged up a little bit, but he is.

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Speaker 1: He is the Org. He went to Oregon.

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Speaker 4: Just a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, means like both those guys are like speed guy.

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Speaker 1: Witherspoon's four to three guy. Yeah, there's not many of those,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, there's not that many.

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Speaker 2: Of those guys.

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Speaker 4: Illinois so too big.

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Speaker 1: You use tube is Illinois stuff. He lit guys up.

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Speaker 1: He hits like a safety.

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Speaker 4: Why are we.

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Speaker 6: Pivoting to the draft, by the way, Huh, I'm excited

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Speaker 6: for this tomorrow show.

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Speaker 4: A lot of.

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Speaker 1: Jets talking draft shamack with the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I was hopeful that Aaron Rodgers would

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Speaker 6: be gone and it'd be over and he could just.

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Speaker 1: You know why retirement.

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Speaker 4: Well, here we go.

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Speaker 6: There's chatter now, according to multiple reports that Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 6: and Aaron Rodgers could be joining forces.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The latest report indicates.

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Speaker 6: Rogers is seriously considering returning and the odds are increasing

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Speaker 6: that he returns with the Steeler.

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't understand where this is coming from.

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Speaker 6: Now, is your guest, this is McCarthy's camp.

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Speaker 4: Or Rogers kid?

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Speaker 1: Depends? Do you trust Will Howard? Do you think Will

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Speaker 1: Howard is good enough for a year? Because I think

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy with some of their weapons. I think Will

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Speaker 1: Howard if he can play, and that's up to McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: They haven't seen him. I don't think it's about Aaron.

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Speaker 1: I think if you think Will Howard is worth fifteen start,

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Speaker 1: sixteen start, let's see if the kid can play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you go for it.

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Speaker 4: I think you got to see what these young guys have.

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Speaker 6: Now, we got stats for the Rodgers the last two years,

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Speaker 6: one with the Jets, one with the Steelers, and surprisingly

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Speaker 6: when you cherry.

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Speaker 4: Pick these stats, he's not awful.

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Speaker 6: Right now, if you look at some advanced metrics, he

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Speaker 6: falls down because he can't run.

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Speaker 4: He's immotively.

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Speaker 1: He does not throw a lot of picks. He never has.

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Speaker 6: Didn't have the greatest weapons in Pittsburgh. I know you

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Speaker 6: like them, but like on the outside, they don't have

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Speaker 6: a top ten receiver.

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Speaker 1: I thought Aaron got rid of all the chaos. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think Pittsburgh was a smart offense the last six

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Speaker 1: seven years. I thought Aaron made the offense smarter and

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Speaker 1: eliminated turnovers. I thought Aaron had a all things considered,

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Speaker 1: a very strong year.

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Speaker 6: So somewhere Arthur Smith, probably Columbus, Ohio, Arthur Smith is like, hey, hey,

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Speaker 6: can I get some credit for that? Because he obviously

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Speaker 6: was the offensive coordinator. I just don't know what to

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Speaker 6: make of Rogers at this point, Colin, Like, at some

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Speaker 6: point you've got to reboot. You can't just keep Hey,

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Speaker 6: let's just keep Roger, Like, why don't you just rip

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Speaker 6: the band aid off and move on? Isn't that the move?

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Speaker 6: See what you got in Will Howard? And if he slops,

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Speaker 6: you draft somebody.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Will Howard's a fifth rounder. I don't

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Speaker 1: think people look at him as a franchise guy. Aaron's

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Speaker 1: better than Will Howard. It definitely, I mean, you could

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Speaker 1: mean My take is, if Aaron comes back with Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: Aaron's gonna have a very solid year.

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Speaker 4: But what are they worth as a combo one win?

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Speaker 5: Maybe?

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Speaker 4: Is it an upgrade from Mike Tomlin?

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Speaker 1: Offensively? Absolutely, I think it's two wins, I think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So if Mahomes is back out, I would I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the over under is. If I think it'll

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Speaker 1: be nine, I'd take the over.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, They're all gonna be No, No,

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Speaker 6: Aaron's not in his prime.

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Speaker 1: Aaron's probably the eighth best quarterback at best in the AFC. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean eighth best in Dorn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they made the playoffs when Tyler Luke miss likeel forty.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember Drake may Is gonna be better next

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Speaker 1: year because the on line is gonna be better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, Justin Herbert's gonna be better because he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: us tackles. Fernando Mendoza, I think there could be very

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Speaker 1: good from the Stars.

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Speaker 4: Plus two wins Crators.

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Speaker 1: I don't think keeping Aaron is a super Bowl discussion.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a he's our best option discussion, all right?

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Speaker 4: Speaking of NFL returns. How about this one?

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Speaker 6: Travis Kelcey is in talks with the Chiefs. Now, nothing

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Speaker 6: is saying he's gonna definitely come back, but reports from

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Speaker 6: various outlets indicate he's been in touch with the Chiefs

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Speaker 6: about coming back for year fourteen. Now, I don't know

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Speaker 6: what in touch means, Like, what are you thinking?

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Speaker 4: Offensively?

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Speaker 2: Do you have room for me?

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Speaker 6: What kind of salary would I play at? Can I

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Speaker 6: skip pre can I ski fall season workouts?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Because I got the big wedding again.

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Speaker 6: This is one of these like do we want to

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Speaker 6: keep you know, do you want to keep the old guys?

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Speaker 4: If you will Kelsey and Rodgers, do you want to keep

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Speaker 4: them around or just move?

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem. Xavier Worthy's a gadget guy, where she

714
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Speaker 1: Rice has been immature? Who can they depend on?

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Speaker 4: Blake? What's the site a Blake Bell? Is that his name?

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Speaker 4: The backup? The other receivers aren't great? Hollywood Brown is

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Speaker 4: he gonna still be there?

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Speaker 1: And Hollywood Brown's a bounce around the league guy. I

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Speaker 1: think if they had this formidable group of young receivers,

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Speaker 1: they if they had a JSN, then you maybe don't

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Speaker 1: have those discussion, but I think Travis Kelcey on third

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Speaker 1: down is still incredibly important.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if Patrick Mahomes looks at their depth chart

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Speaker 6: for receivers, tight ends and running backs who you're thrown to,

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Speaker 6: they got nobody. I'm just telling you the skills you guys.

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Speaker 2: Are not me.

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Speaker 1: So you we can all say we want about Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 1: But to me, if I'm Patrick Mahomes, how many catches

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Speaker 1: did he have last year? How many catches did Travis

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Speaker 1: Kelcey have last year? He's still a volume guy, especially

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Speaker 1: let's be fair too, in big games. He generally I

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Speaker 1: don't think he has a lot left, but I think

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Speaker 1: he's probably got. Does he have eight to ten really

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Speaker 1: good performances left?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely no, Remember that game. He had several games where

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Speaker 4: he got.

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Speaker 1: Of seventy six catches last year? Could he give me

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Speaker 1: seventy two this year?

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Speaker 6: Seventy And that's probably in like fourteen games because with

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Speaker 6: the backup quarterbacks at the end, they weren't they had

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Speaker 6: nothing going on.

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Speaker 1: Seventy six catches, eight hundred and fifty one yards very

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Speaker 1: good on third down?

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Speaker 4: He feels like a declining asset, doesn't. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to sound.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of part of the cultures. He's a very

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Speaker 1: big culture guy, as his brother was in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: All right, final story, let's go to the NBA.

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Speaker 6: The Lakers Colin obviously at the trade deadline made a

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Speaker 6: nice move.

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Speaker 4: For Luke Canard.

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Speaker 6: I got a text from one of your staffers about

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Speaker 6: Luke Canard in his great game against the Warriors.

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Speaker 4: Here's Luke Canard. Look at that feathery touch from deep.

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Speaker 6: But I bring that up because Rob Polinka over the

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Speaker 6: weekend talked about how the new ownership group with the

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Speaker 6: Dodgers for the Lakers. Obviously, they're a north star when

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Speaker 6: it comes to an example for what the Lakers are

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Speaker 6: striving for. And you've pointed this out. Hey, the Dodgers

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Speaker 6: spent they added to the analytics team. They've got one

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Speaker 6: of the deepest, you know, front offices in the league

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Speaker 6: when it comes to recruiting.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know, uh, well, see it.

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Speaker 6: Sounds like the Lakers are making moves in the front

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Speaker 6: office this offseason.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean we I think we were, not that

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Speaker 1: it took much, but I thought we were on the

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Speaker 1: forefront when they bought the team. We listed a graphic

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Speaker 1: of the size of the Lakers front office and the

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Speaker 1: size of the Dodge and a nice job. Nice job.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know we had that. Look at the difference.

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Speaker 4: So that's embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the Lakers were kind of a discount

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Speaker 1: family business. You need another twenty people. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are known as not great necessarily in some of

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Speaker 1: the executive suite stuff. We can blame Polinka for it,

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Speaker 1: but I mean I've Luke just more of what they

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Speaker 1: have a shooter who can't defend. So I think the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: I think the way they look at Luke Canard is

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Speaker 1: we're addressing at least one of our issues, which is

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Speaker 1: more three point shooting. But this new group. But what

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Speaker 1: I love about the Dodgers group, they've moved off great players,

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Speaker 1: trade Turner, Seeger Bellinger, Manny Machado. Like their standard is

784
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Speaker 1: Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, Otawny. So the idea Austin Reeves

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Speaker 1: is good good is not what they maintained.

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Speaker 4: They're keep anything good.

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Speaker 1: JJ, Reddick and Luca are the only thing they're not

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Speaker 1: taking a call on. They have a The Dodgers standard

789
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Speaker 1: is all star. I mean they didn't trade Turner, win

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Speaker 1: the batting Crown. They moved off trade Turner.

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Speaker 4: Lakers have had a good stretch.

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Speaker 6: They beat the six sersay of the last week and

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Speaker 6: then the Warriors and tonight against OKC.

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Speaker 1: All watch, I watched all. I watched the entire game.

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Speaker 6: No SCA tonight, no Luca Tuesday, Tuesday against the Spurs.

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Speaker 6: That's as tough as back to back as you can get.

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Speaker 4: Okay, see and follow us.

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Speaker 1: You should have come out Saturday night.

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Speaker 6: I heard you were bombed or sorry having a blast.

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Speaker 4: I meant sorry, I was.

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Speaker 1: Having a wonderful Yes, it was. We were prepping for

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, clearly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just drilling down on Sam Darnold's stats in history, and.

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Speaker 1: Not much to drill down. It was all right in

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Speaker 1: front of you. J Mack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 5: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd

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Speaker 5: Line News.

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Speaker 1: I've got a lot of stuff here. Yeah, like what

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Speaker 1: do you do after thirty starts? It is thirty starts

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Speaker 1: enough of a sample to say, okay, this is what

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Speaker 1: a quarterback is. Okay, go look at Sam's last thirty

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Speaker 1: starts next the Heard.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern Am Pacific.

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Speaker 6: at eight eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Uh Matt Hasselbeck was great. R G three will be

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Speaker 1: joining us on the last hour. Yeah, thirty starts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: can you judge somebody after thirty intense stays at work?

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Speaker 1: We're not judging Sam on practice, but if you were

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Speaker 1: an executive outside of an airline pilot where I needed

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Speaker 1: to be perfect, or a surgeon where I needed to

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Speaker 1: be perfect twenty five and five in your last thirty

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Speaker 1: times on the cockpit or on the operating table. I

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Speaker 1: mean Sam Darnold's twenty five and twelve and five, And

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Speaker 1: it should be noted he plays the Rams a lot,

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Speaker 1: and he plays in a superior conference. Remember Sam's last

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Speaker 1: two years have been in the NFC. The NFC's got

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Speaker 1: better rosters, AFC's got better high end quarterbacks. Buffalo's rosters

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Speaker 1: not great. I mean, is it is Houston's roster great?

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Speaker 1: The Chargers roster great? The better rosters are in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: So Sam is twenty five and five Minnesota Seattle against

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Speaker 1: the better conference. So to me, it's it's better than

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Speaker 1: the number. In fact, what's interesting, if you just took

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Speaker 1: out two RAMS games out of his last thirty, his

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Speaker 1: numbers would look like Peyton Manning in his prime. So

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Speaker 1: I think I think you're getting such tremendous value with Sam.

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Speaker 1: People look at those numbers and go, well, he had

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connor. Well, howd Kevin O'Connell do this year? That's

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Speaker 1: all I heard last year? Well is justin Jefferson Kevin o'conna, Well,

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Speaker 1: how'd they do without him? I that great. Here's Mike

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Speaker 1: McDonald on Sam's Jersey journey.

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Speaker 8: Sam doesn't care about the obstacle. Like everyone's made a

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Speaker 8: narrative of this guy of like everyone is, they have

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Speaker 8: tried to put a story in a label on who

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Speaker 8: he is as a person who is a quarterback. He

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Speaker 8: does not care, always done, since he's walked in the door.

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Speaker 8: Has just been a tremendous player on our football team

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Speaker 8: and a tremendous leader who is the same guy every day.

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Speaker 8: And that's who he is, and that's how we need

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Speaker 8: to talk about him move forward.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's what to me has always been fascinating

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Speaker 1: is that we look at quarterback as the reason you win.

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Speaker 1: But when did Seattle get really good? What did they

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Speaker 1: always had in Seattle? Stable ownership and a great general manager.

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Speaker 1: The quarterbacks they've had, you know, Russell Wilson, Geno Smith,

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Speaker 1: They've got Sam Darnold before Russell Wilson, they had a

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Speaker 1: lot of different quarterbacks. Right, Why is Seattle always good?

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Speaker 1: We always talk about court That's why Belichick Bellichick. They've

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Speaker 1: had different coaches, different quarterbacks. Seattle's had the Allen family,

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Speaker 1: stable owner and a great general manager. So stability and ownership,

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Speaker 1: smart people making smart decisions, and a GM who's hiring

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Speaker 1: really smart people. And you know he and he and

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll had a little falling out at the end

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Speaker 1: and he went and got Mike McDonald. But the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: story is not just donald. It is a unbelievable hit rate.

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Speaker 1: If you go look at the last four drafts for

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks and you put up their first two

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Speaker 1: picks in those drafts, they're like eight for eight. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even going to talk about the third, four to fifth,

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Speaker 1: sixth rounds. They do not miss draft picks. Go look

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Speaker 1: at Minnesota's draft picks. They fired the GM. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're their hit rates brutal. So a lot of Seattle

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Speaker 1: is just trades, free agency. They don't overpay for people,

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Speaker 1: and they do not miss on those first few draft picks.

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Speaker 1: On an annual basis, our number three