1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: New York City is a mess. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: We've got an Attorney general who is weaponizing her position 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 2: purely for political reasons to get Donald Trump. We have 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, who doesn't want to prosecute criminals, 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: but wants to go after people who engage in self 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: defense like Daniel Penny. We've got a mayor who's a mess, 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: a governor who's a mess of the state. 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Kathy Hokeel, I want to. 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Dig into a lot of the problems in this city, 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 2: the crime. We've recently seen illegal immigrants make news for 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: beating police officers there, as well as just the broader 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: issues facing the country. So we're going to talk to 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: one man named Paul Morrow. He's a contributor at Fox News. 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: I was on with him recently on out Numbered, and 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: he just did such a great job. He's so interesting, 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: So I wanted to have him on the show to 17 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: get into some of those more granular issues that are 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: going on in New York City, but also the broader 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: issues facing the country of crime, also just wasted resources, 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: as our cities are falling apart in America, but they 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: sure as hack have enough money and time to go 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: after Donald Trump. And then also just looking at New 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: York City with this influx of illegal immigrants, you know, 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: what's the likelihood of a terror attack. Paul is a lawyer, 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: and he also previously served as the commanding officer of 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: the NYPD's Legal Bureau and the executive officer of the Intelligence, 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: Operations and Analysis Bureau, so he's sort of seen all 28 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: different sides of these issues that we're going to talk 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: about today. Really interesting guy, super smart. I think you're 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: going to like this one. Stay tuned for Palmorrow. Well, Paul, 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: it's great to have you on the show. I was 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: on Outnumbered with you not too long ago, and you 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: just did such a great job, so I really wanted 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: to have you on the show. 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: So I'm glad we're able to make it happen. 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Thank you. 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: You'd made a really interesting point from your perspective of 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: when Secretary Austin was in the hospital and he failed 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: to alert the White House. That meant that Joe Biden 40 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: was not the guy in charge, and you had kind 41 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: of seen that before, and I just thought it was 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: such an interesting perspective and an interesting point that you 43 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: had made. 44 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think it's a subtlety, and you may 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: have had to have worked in a military paramilitary organization 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: to kind of pick up on it. But Austin got 47 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: a lot of heat to that, and then there was 48 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: the sort of reflective heat of it on the White 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 3: House for saying, well, how was he not even missed? 50 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: But going a little further, what occurred to me almost 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 3: immediately was the fact that it was the atmosphere within 52 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: the administration itself as which explained why Austin didn't feel 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: compelled to notify his overhead. And anybody who's worked in 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: this sort of environment knows that it often happens in 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: transition periods when a big commissioner or a chief leaves 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: and there is a vacuum at the top, you suddenly 57 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: feel a little bit it cast a drift. Now, the 58 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: good side of that is when you have somebody who's 59 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: not micromanaging you, right, it's a macro manager is letting 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: you do your thing. But then the continuum goes to 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: the point where you have an overhead that's absentee, and 62 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: what happens then is that you just don't feel like 63 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: anything you do much matters or is going to be 64 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: responded to by the people above you. And that's my 65 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: read on why Austin didn't bother to make what would 66 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: have been a simple email or phone call notification, which, 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: trust me, is in the blood of people, especially at 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: his level. In a military or power military organization, you 69 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: have to keep your overhead notified, and the fact that 70 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: he didn't just really speaks to me of a very 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: very loose and disjointed organization at the top of our 72 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: military apparatus, These bureaus, these bureaucracies, they survive by their 73 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: connective tissue, and very clearly here that connective tissue is 74 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: worn down. 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: You know, of having served in the n y PD 76 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: is both a committing officer of the legal Bureau as 77 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: well as in the intelligence Opera, Operations and Analysis Bureau. 78 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to be hard to see what's 79 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: happening in this city, just the lawlessness. 80 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: The lack of respect for the law. 81 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: When do you think the breakdown started and why do 82 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: you think it's gotten so bad? 83 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's always there here in New York 84 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: and in our major cities because it's such an endemic 85 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: part of the progressive narrative. And what you have is 86 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: disciples where they are either in the incendency or they 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: are not post nine to eleven, the lack of a 88 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 3: better term, we got a little bit of honeymoon period 89 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: and there was great support for the police and for 90 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: the mission of the police of law and order in 91 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 3: general that even went so far as too sort of 92 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 3: how the Feds were perceived. And so you had all 93 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: these federal test forces and they were really given a 94 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: lot of purchase, and we had about a twenty year 95 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: renaissance where we were able to implement the classic broken 96 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: windows policing. The metrics were cleared, they were working, and 97 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: then what you had was the sort of, for lack 98 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: of a better term, victims of our own success syndrome 99 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: where it just became received wisdom that this is how 100 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: it always was. And a lot of new arrivals into 101 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: this city have no cognizance of what New York looked 102 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: like when I was a kid in the eighties, seventies, eighties, nineties, 103 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: you know, when the city had not implemented broken windows, 104 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: and when they went to an all hands on deck 105 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: approach and so very naively they began to advocate for 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: a much less proactive policing and in fact villainized the 107 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: police as has traditionally been the case on the left 108 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 3: since at least the nineteen sixties. And then you got 109 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: a fellow traveler in office named Bill de Blasio, and 110 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: that's when I would say that the trend that you're 111 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: referring to really took off. The Blasio had to play 112 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: ball for his first two years or so because he 113 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: knew the narrative was that his was going to be 114 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: a failed mayoralty because he was going to cut against 115 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 3: everything I just said. Everybody was waiting to that. Now, 116 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: the Blasio isn't a stupid man. He has a certain 117 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: reptilian political intelligence, which is how he got where he got. 118 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: So he put in Bill Bratton, one of the nation's 119 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: premier police commissioners. And I mentioned all that because it 120 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: was a real honeymoon period. Not only did crime continue 121 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 3: to go down to record low levels, so did incarceration rates. 122 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: And that's something we really should be looking at, and 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: that these so called police scholars were really worth their salt, 124 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: they would be looking at that era to figure out 125 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: why it all worked so well, because it did, and 126 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: I had a front row seat. But the Blasio couldn't 127 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: take that. No could the progressives in this town who 128 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 3: just use all this as a lever for power. And 129 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: so once Bratton moved on, he put in a police 130 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: commission on the Blasio, put in a police commissioner who 131 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: he could control. And his subsequent two police commissioners for 132 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: the rest of his tenure were really just catspaws. They 133 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: were uniform guys who came up to the rank. And 134 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: it's no knock on them, but it's just they were 135 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: very beholden to the mayor's office. Where As Bratton could 136 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: tell the may to go pounce in, the Blasio wouldn't 137 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: mess with. And as a result, the Blasio, as much 138 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: as we have Adams now becomes the police commissioner. And 139 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: so you had the beginning of the erosion, and it 140 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: took It was snowballing downhill, getting worse and worse, because 141 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: it's much harder to build than it is to destroy. Right, 142 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: once you start to destroy something, it just that's the 143 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: easy part. It's much easier to break things down. And 144 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: of course he couched it in all of the usual 145 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: liberals soaring rhetoric, etc. But it was a breakdown and 146 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 3: things were getting worse and worse, and then of course 147 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: to spig it open death to George Floyd, which the NYPD, 148 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: of course, had nothing to do with, and which is 149 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: a narrative that I think we're seeing undermined now after 150 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: seeing the Fall of Minneapolis and some other documentaries that 151 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: have looked at that whole case. And so we're really 152 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: now in a position where I don't think we've yet 153 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: bottomed out, and it really is depressing. You're right, because 154 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 3: we've made so much progress and now everybody I know 155 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: is either left or wants to move out. 156 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick commercial break more. 157 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: With Paul on the other side, do crime statistics matter 158 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: anymore in this sense of, you know, if we're not 159 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: arresting people or crime statistics truly a reflection of what 160 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: is happening in some of these areas like New York City. 161 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: Good question, and you know, I think more and more 162 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 3: there is a feeling that they don't because, and it's 163 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 3: just human nature, if nobody's getting arrested, or if the 164 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: police take four hours to call. I was recently told 165 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: that a non emergency call, let's say, a burglary in 166 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: the past or something, the response time is four hours 167 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: because that's how overwhelmed the police are. Because they're down 168 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: at least three thousand officers, which is what the PD 169 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: will admit to, so it's probably a lot more. So 170 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: people don't even call, they don't even report. With shoplifting, 171 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: Let's say if the security guard struggles with the shoplifter, 172 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: then what would be a larceny which is not even 173 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: attract crime, A pettit larceny, a larsennie under one thousand dollars. 174 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: Well that'll bump to a robbery, and now you have 175 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: a felony and that's tracked. So the police, security guards, 176 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: and the stores are incentivized not even to call the 177 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: police because they don't want that insurance headache. You get 178 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: two or three of those. The CEO to command, the 179 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: committee officer of the precinct now has a bunch of 180 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: felonies he didn't want to have to deal with. He's 181 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: gonna have to answer for. He'll come in and he 182 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: can do things like Okay, I'm gonna shut down your 183 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: store and we're going to process it as a crime scene. Well, 184 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: you know what, that Dwayne Reed just lost three hours 185 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: of commerce. The insurance companies will call up and say, 186 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: you know what, this is a third felon that you've 187 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: had now you have an injury, you're gonna get sued 188 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: with dropping you for your insurance purposes. The security guard, 189 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: who's probably an off duty cop who needs the money, 190 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: is now going to get fired because he's the one 191 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 3: that keeps intervening and they don't want that. So all 192 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 3: of these things cut against reporting, and especially when you 193 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: see things like felonies being up to misdemeanors, which Alvin 194 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: Brage is setting a record with. And if there's a 195 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: misdemeanor arrest, they don't even go downtown. They go to 196 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: the precinct, They get a piece of paper and they leave. 197 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 3: All of these things incentivize not even bothering to report. 198 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: There are certain crimes that I think of the bell 199 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: whether they tend to point to murders as the bellwether 200 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: crimes that's accurate and that you can use as a 201 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: true metric. Murders and auto theft are two crimes that 202 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: people tend to say you can count on. I actually 203 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: think that the better metric for actual street safety is robbery, 204 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: and that's the crime I always look at because that's 205 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: crime that's stealing with violence. That's the basic formula for robbery, 206 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: and that's when you know, things in your neighborhood and 207 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: your community are going bad. When there is there are 208 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 3: people committing violence for a profit motive on the street, 209 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: where people are calling the police and saying, this guy 210 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: took my wality at a gun, et cetera, those numbers 211 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: are up. Those things tend to be reported. People need 212 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: to cancel, cancel credit cards and sometimes they get hurt, 213 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: and I always look at that, and those numbers are up, 214 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 3: and I find that disturbing. 215 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: You know, you'd mentioned brag. 216 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 2: Does that also I assume if you're a police officer, 217 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: if you're an NYPD officer, you're kind of disincentivized to 218 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 2: even arrest because you put your life on the line, 219 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: you stick your neck out to get the guy, and 220 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 2: then he's not even convicted. You know. So it's like, 221 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 2: does that kind of I mean, do you think cops 222 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: are sort of feeling like, you know, why even go 223 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: through with the arrest and doing the job if you 224 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: know there's not going to be any repercussions for this person. 225 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: Oh well, I don't have to speculate. I know that 226 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: to be true. Yeah, obviously, I still have a lot 227 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: of contacts on the job, and this was going on 228 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: even when I was there, you know, are going back. 229 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: The last good district attorney Manhattan had was Morgentha who 230 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: was there set a record for the longest serving and 231 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: he was right in with the intelligence led broken windows 232 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: theory of enforcement, and he was one of the main 233 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: players and why all of that worked out well. Subsequent 234 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: to it that we had a guy named Cyrus Vance 235 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: who was just a democratic political functionary, and then we 236 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: got Bragg. Now, so yeah, it does. And yet, Lisa, 237 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: you know, there is a counterfactual here that really startles. 238 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: In light of the fact that Bragg is setting a 239 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 3: record for dropping felonies to misdemeanors, he's also setting a 240 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: record for declining prosecution, which is the most disheartening thing 241 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 3: in the world. You got the guy, you have him 242 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: dead to rights, You write up the paperwork, you go 243 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: downtown in a district attorney because of a policy that's 244 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: been set by the Brag administration says no, we're not 245 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: going to prosecute period DP this decline prosecution, in which 246 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: case all the paperwork has to be voided. And I'm 247 00:12:54,920 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: thinking specifically of a absolute foundational crime in broken windows policing, 248 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: which is fair jumping and as the old maxim goes, 249 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: not everybody who jumps the fair is a member of 250 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 3: a robbery crew. But no member of a robbery crew 251 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 3: pays the fare. So if you do fair enforcement, you're 252 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: going to get guys with guns who are coming on 253 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 3: the subway, or knives or sharpened screw sharp and screwdrivers 254 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 3: or whatever they're coming on to do robberies. Well, all 255 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 3: of that stuff's gone away. And yet and yet in Manhattan, 256 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: Alvin Braggs jurisdiction and hyped arrests are up by a third. 257 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: So consider that they're still working, which I find astounding 258 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 3: because imagine you go to work every day and whatever 259 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: you do at your job immediately gets undone in front 260 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: of your eyes, and it happens every day, and you're 261 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: operating with who are supposed to be your partners, and 262 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: all they do is knock you on the head. Would 263 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: you still keep showing up? Would you still keep doing 264 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: the job? Most of us would say no. But there 265 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: is still enough of a culture of professionalism and identity 266 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 3: is what I would call it, that the cops still 267 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: aren't doing it, which I find fairly astounding. But I 268 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: will say that the over under on that is ticking 269 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 3: and it can't go on forever. 270 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: Well, and it also just creates this really dangerous environment 271 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 2: where you know you have sort of these lacks policies 272 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: in place. But then also, like God forbid, you engage 273 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: in self defense. When you look at what initially happened 274 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: to Jose Alba until there was so much backlash that 275 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: store clerk who defended himself, Or what's happening to Daniel 276 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: Penny who stepped in a situation where people felt unsafe. 277 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: You had a career criminal, do you know, engaging in 278 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: scary behavior and then now you know he is in 279 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: serious jeopardy his life and his future. So you know, 280 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: like God forbid, you engage in self defense or try 281 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: to protect anyone else in the city. 282 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: Well, everybody feels that, and it's why you know, I 283 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: had to give a lection yesterday up back Columbia, and 284 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: so I went way uptown, and you know, some of 285 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: those subway stops up there can be can feel a 286 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: little bit sort of unpleased, and it's just interesting to see, 287 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: just as it does here in Midtown where I'm speaking 288 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: to you from now, the attitude on the subways, which 289 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: are always you know, there are two sort of key 290 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: areas that the police department tends to look at as 291 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: a barometer of safety in the city, and really the 292 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: media does it too, which is Central Park and the subways, 293 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: because in the bed seventies and eighties, both of those 294 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: had gone south. You didn't even go in the Central 295 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: Park when it was anywhere near dark, and so crimes 296 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: in those areas tend to get a lot of attention. 297 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: And the subways of the life blooded this town, and 298 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 3: the subway crime in New York is up twenty two percent. 299 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: And you can just see the fear in normal New 300 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 3: York workaday New yorker's eyes as crazies walk by, screaming 301 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: and yewling, carrying on, holding a bottle, and you just see, 302 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm going to tell you, I'm gonna 303 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: say something that's very politically incorrect, but it is falls 304 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: particularly on women. You know, I'm sorry, but it does. 305 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: The crazies are predominantly male, the violent ones certainly, and 306 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: they focus on women. And ask any of the you'll 307 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: see it come out of trial, because it's going to 308 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: be a trial. The judge declined to dismiss the indictment 309 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: in the Penny trial you're going to hear from witnesses 310 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: who are women of color. From what I understand that 311 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: there are at least two, perhaps three who are going 312 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 3: to testify on Penny's behalf, saying that they were terrified 313 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: when Neely started screaming. I saw it, as I said, 314 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: I'm on a subway a lot I was on yesterday, 315 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: and you see people inching the way, inching by young women, 316 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: staying together, staying alert. There's no way to live in 317 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: a modern city. What kind of city is this? Where 318 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: you go out if you're a young woman or a 319 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: young man, an old man, whatever, and you have to 320 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: be fearful as you go from one place to another 321 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: in one of the most expensive subway systems in the world. 322 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: It's not the way to live. And it's palpable, and 323 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: we all see it, and the cops feel it too, 324 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: because aside from the fact that the attacks on the 325 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: cops are up, weatistics the other day that the tax 326 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: on NEPD officers are at a record level. But they 327 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: also know that who's also gunning for them in addition 328 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 3: to the purps, all the prosecutors, and God forbid you 329 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: go a little too far if you press a diaphragm. 330 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 3: New York City's City Council has the diaphragm law. If 331 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 3: in wrestling with a purp, you depressed that purpose diaphragm 332 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: for an instant, you're guilty of a misdemeanor in this town. 333 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 3: And I have been in the middle of an attempt 334 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: to charge one of the officers who was defending himself. 335 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 3: They dropped the charges against the purp, and they wanted 336 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: to arrest a cop for the misdemeanor. Now I'm not 337 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 3: going to go into the details. I was still working, 338 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: but let's just say we were able to successfully argue 339 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: that this case shouldn't be brought. But if you don't 340 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: believe that the district attorneys in New York City are 341 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: gunning for a case like that to make their careers, 342 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: you don't know this town. 343 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: You know you're a lawyer. 344 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: Do you think that Daniel Penny was legally justified in 345 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 2: his actions? 346 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 3: I do, and I'm not going to be too equivocating 347 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: about that. Look, it's going to come down to the 348 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 3: defense of justification. It's called legally and what it really 349 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: means is was he justified in doing what he did? 350 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: Was he able to overcome what he can he articulate 351 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: that the actions he took were commensurate with the threat 352 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: that he faced. Now, I say it without equivocation based 353 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 3: on the facts that I know. So I guess I 354 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: am equivocating because you know, I don't know everything that's 355 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: going to come out at trial, and it's going to 356 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: be clear that the people in that subway car genuinely 357 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: feared for their lives, or at least feared that something 358 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 3: very violent was going to happen. And you know, under 359 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: the law, you are not required to allow yourself to 360 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: be attacked and then see how far the guy goes 361 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 3: before you respond. The law does allow for a sort 362 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: of preemptive strike for lack of a better term. Now 363 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: it has to be again, commensurate. You know, you can't 364 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: pull out a gun and start shooting because somebody asks 365 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 3: you for a dollar on the street, and that would 366 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: be the extreme example. But if the testimony in that 367 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 3: subway car is very easy to be sitting in Alvin 368 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: Bragg's office and say Penny should have handled it differently. 369 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: But when you have a guy like Penny who was 370 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: screaming I want to die, I don't care if I 371 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 3: go to jail and screaming in women's faces, etc. He 372 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 3: took the actions that he felt when necessary. The intent 373 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: to kill was not there, and so I think the 374 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 3: case was overcharged, and I think it was mishandled, and 375 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: I think it was a makeup for the Jose Albert 376 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 3: case that you reference. There's going to be a trial. 377 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 3: It's going to be really ugly. Unfortunately, it's going to 378 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: be a Manhattan jury, and all you can hope is 379 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: that on that jury there's one person male, female, old, white, black, green, whatever, 380 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: who has been on the subway, had that experience and 381 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: understands where mister Penny was coming from. 382 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: Quick break, more on the mess that is New York 383 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: City as an intel guy who's done that in a 384 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: city that gets a lot of threads, we've seen a 385 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 2: lot of huge influx of illegal immigrants, huge in fl 386 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: flux of well I think they're illegal immigrants, but you 387 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: know seeking asylum, likely fossely that have been you know, 388 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: heading to the to New York City. Now, how does 389 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: that complicate both one the threat of terrorism when you 390 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: already have the FBI director who has warned of you know, 391 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: Hamos linked people being the United States warned of you know, 392 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: the border being an issue on that, and then two 393 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: just crime in the city where you have an influx 394 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: of people who you know likely already broke the law 395 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: in coming here. 396 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we didn't have enough problems right now, we'll 397 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 3: go to courts. We're going to import some more. So 398 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: let's use history again. It's one of the things that's 399 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: a benefit of having been in the middle of a 400 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: lot of this for a long time. You see the 401 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: patterns repeated, and so you can identify them. Nineteen eighties 402 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 3: we had the Marial boat Lift. Castro sent a contingent 403 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: of about one hundred and fifty thousand Cuban assylies to 404 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: the port of Key West, Florida, at Jimmy Carter's invitation 405 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: during an election year. It was similar political pandering. Most 406 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: of them solid people who ended up becoming part of 407 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: the American fabric. But what Castro also did, infamously was 408 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: in the movie Scarface, is he emptied the prisons and 409 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: the insane asylums. And here's the key point. When we 410 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: became aware of what he had done, he wouldn't take 411 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: them back when we tried to send them back. I 412 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 3: have a website and a blog called the ops desk, 413 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 3: and I have a couple of videos up there that 414 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: go through this because some of the details on this 415 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: are amazing, because they tracked it today. Out of one 416 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty one hundred and sixty thousand people that 417 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: Castro sent, seventeen hundred were acknowledged hardened criminals. We had 418 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,959 Speaker 3: at least two serial killers, one of whom operated here 419 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 3: in New York and another one operated in Miami. We 420 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: had a guy who killed somebody inside Saint Patrick's Cathedral 421 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: is another thing he sent by According to somebody who 422 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: was captured and who was flipped by the FEDS, three 423 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: thousand intelligence agents. Cuba has a very very active intelligence arm. 424 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 3: So what do I go into? It was Soviet trained, 425 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: by the way, Why do I go into that? Because 426 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 3: Cuba provides Venezuela's intel training and supervision. Okay, the Venezuela 427 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: and Cuba are fellow travelers that you know, far left 428 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 3: communist regimes, notionally but really digesticatorships and the Cubans have 429 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: been teaching Venezuela instead of do intelligence for years. And 430 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 3: that's what we got here. We got another boat left. 431 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: Meduro is almost certainly Trump's got this right. Maduro is 432 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: emptying his prisons, he's emptying his insane asylums, but he's 433 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: also sending US intelligence agents and you know what, look 434 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: at Venezuela as allies Iran China. Okay, The former vice 435 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: president of Venezuela is a guy named Suliman. He's a 436 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: Syrian Lebanese Shia who is Hesbila linked. So I don't 437 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: have to speculate very far to say that somebody characters 438 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 3: coming in here are potentially at almost likely to be 439 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: serious dangers in terms of intelligence and terrorism. But then also, 440 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 3: as you point out, and as we're discovering by hard 441 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 3: practice here, we're getting organized criminal gangs. And the NYPD 442 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: just took down a big ring of smashing grabs, which 443 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 3: was quite sophisticated because they were grabbing the phones. But 444 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 3: it didn't end there. They had tech people who could 445 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: jail break the phones, get into the phones, and then 446 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: empty people's bank accounts using Venmo and other apps, Apple pay, etc. 447 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 3: That's pretty sophisticated. These phones are supposed to be unbreakable, 448 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: and that almost argues a nation state level of cryptography. 449 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: So I'm very surprised. I actually will confess I was 450 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 3: surprised about that. And the head of the ring is unapprehended, 451 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 3: which tells me he's likely back in Venezuela and the 452 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: ring went back to Florida, that the Texas and then 453 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 3: the phones were going out of the country and down 454 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: to Venezuela and Columbia. Reportedly, that's a very big ring, 455 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 3: very sophisticated, all of it imported, and you know what, Lisa, 456 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: is a big missing piece when you look at something 457 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: like that. Where are the FEDS? Qdos to NYPD for 458 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: taking it down? They're the largest police agency in the 459 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: western hemisphere. They have the sophistication and the bodies to 460 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: do it. I know that I ran at the intelligence 461 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: operations for got twelve to fifteen years. I know what 462 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: they can do. But it shouldn't be beholden to them. 463 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 3: It shouldn't be on them to try to put together 464 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: a case like that that stretches to Florida, to Texas 465 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 3: and down into South America. That's very much a federal mandate, 466 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: and as usual with this administration, on anything that could 467 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: hurt reelection, he's completely absentee. Where is Ray? Where is 468 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: the president? Where is the Attorney general? You know, Garland 469 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: is far too busy trying to protect Biden's flank on 470 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: all the investigations into him than he is to go 471 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 3: with a case like this. 472 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: Well, you know that's the I think the frustrating thing. 473 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 2: I'm sure for you as someone who has you know, 474 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: served and protected a city, but you know, even just 475 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: for some like me, and I think for most Americans, 476 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: is like where are the Feds? Well, you know, they're 477 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: going after Trump and you know using resources are taxpayer 478 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 2: dollars to do that? 479 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: Or you look at you know, New York City. 480 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: You've got all this crime, all these issues that you 481 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: just laid out, yet they've got the time and the 482 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: resources to go after Trump. And it's like, you know, 483 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 2: like they don't care about the plight of New Yorkers 484 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: or or Americans, but they sure as hell care about 485 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: sticking it to you know, one man, they. 486 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: Do, and what they really care about is maintaining their power. Right. 487 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 3: So look at some of the culprits. I mean, Alvin Bragg, 488 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: who doesn't seem to be able to put together a 489 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: newsworthy case at gunpoint, manages to put together a preposterous, dirty, 490 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 3: three point indictment of Donald Trump that is basically found 491 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: in some allegation of accounting error. All right, we're going 492 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 3: to be seeing in that case soon. That's a criminal case, 493 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: and then you and I can buy the way. I 494 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: can tell you one of my partners on the ops 495 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 3: desk that I was just talking about is the former 496 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: commanding officer of NYPD Financial Crime, and he's incredulous over 497 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: the fact that this case was even brought. So I 498 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 3: don't have to judge. And I brought a few financial 499 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: cases as well. I know this would never have gotten 500 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 3: off the ground, but I don't have I default to 501 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 3: him and say, well, what do you make of this? 502 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 3: And couldn't believe his eyes. But let's move on from Bragg. 503 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: There's also Tiss James. Now, the Tiss James case that 504 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: just came down with the thirty three hundred and fifty 505 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: five million dollars settlement was such a dog Bragg's office 506 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: walked away from it. Criminally, they wouldn't bring it criminally. 507 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 3: It was floated by them. They rejected it. Okay, So 508 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 3: what happened James, who likes to call herself New York 509 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: State's top law enforcement officer, which is a joke, and who, 510 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: by the way, during the Summer of Love twenty twenty, 511 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: when my cops were getting bricks bounced off their faces 512 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: and then he had nothing to do with the Floyd situation. 513 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,479 Speaker 3: Was on Twitter giving a hotline for anybody out there 514 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: who could claim police abuse during the riots to reach 515 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: out and lodge a complaint with her so that she 516 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: could investigate the officers. Okay, so they were burning down 517 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: the city, billions of dollars of damage, a week of rioting, 518 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 3: hundreds of cops injured, But her main remit was let 519 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 3: me know if there's any cops I can prosecute, and 520 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 3: she put that right out on Twitter. DM me, I 521 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: have people monitoring, and said, that's how you're dealing with 522 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: She comes into office vowing to get Trump, everybody else 523 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: walks away from the case. Why does she bring then 524 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 3: a civil case? She has the ability to bring criminal cases. 525 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 3: Why did she bring a civil case? You got to 526 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 3: ask yourself why Because in a civil case, the standard 527 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: of proof for a win is preponderance of the evidence 528 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 3: only fifty one percent, whereas in a criminal case it's 529 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 3: beyond a reasonable doubt, which is generally considered to be 530 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: a ninety seven to ninety nine percent assurance. So a 531 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 3: civil case is always easier to win, as we saw 532 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 3: in the O. J. Simpson case. Right he beat the 533 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: criminal case, they got him civilly. She knew she'd be 534 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: able to slam dunk this with a Manhattan grand jury, 535 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, with a Manhattan civil jury, and that's why 536 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: she did it, and nobody else would sign on to 537 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: the case. In a case like this with this kind 538 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: of money, invariably you get federal agencies sneaking around saying, Okay, 539 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 3: you know what, we're going to attach earnings, We're going 540 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: to come in, we're going to maybe go to criminal, 541 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 3: We're going to charge wirefraud, mail fraud, all these sort 542 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 3: of amorphoge charges. The fense love that allowed him to 543 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: do a money grip. They all steered clear of it 544 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: because they knew it was a barking dog. It's going 545 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 3: to have a lot of trouble on appeal. I mean, 546 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 3: the amount of the settlement is never going to hold up. 547 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: It actually is probably an Eighth Amendment violation for cruel 548 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 3: and unusual punishment, even though it's not a criminal case. 549 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: A really harsh civil decision can segue into that area, 550 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: and this qualifies and they know it and That's why 551 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 3: angeron Front loaded it to say that Trump had to 552 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 3: pay interest, can't do business for three years, can't use 553 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: a New York bank. He knows this is a dog 554 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: and that it's going to get knocked around on appeal. 555 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: But all they really want to do is take Trump 556 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 3: off the set going into November. 557 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: Well, that certainly seems to be you know, they're trying 558 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: to bankrupt him or put him in jail or both 559 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: if they can, which is a sad state about you know, 560 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 2: where we are in the country and just the fact 561 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: that you know, there doesn't seem to be any equal 562 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: application of the law. You know, there is even the 563 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: rule of law doesn't even seem to exist anymore, to 564 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: be honest. 565 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: Very disheartening for somebody who grew up in the criminal 566 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: justice system here. You know, my old man was a cop. 567 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 3: My grandfather was a called Minieri as they call him 568 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: back in Italy. That's a federal cop back. They're kind 569 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: of in my blood. And to watch, you know, people 570 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: forget Iraq had a constitution, Steria I had a constitution. 571 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: South Africa had a constitution during apartheid. Constitution's a piece 572 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: of paper at the end of the day, It comes 573 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: down to the integrity and the professionalism of the people 574 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: who have to safeguard and administer it. And in that 575 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: area we're really suffering. 576 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: You know, before we go, what is the biggest thing 577 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: we could do to restore order to our cities and 578 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: the justice system? 579 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: Vote? It really not that complicated. Its vote. You know, 580 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: you and I both know what happens, Lisa. Only the 581 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: most fired up and dedicated go out to vote in 582 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: these small, local level elections, and they really matter. Right now, 583 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 3: Adams is comparatively powerless in New York. I mean, yeah, 584 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: he's the man as sure, he's got the bully pulpit 585 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: a little bit, but really the city Council has hemmed 586 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: him in and up in Albany during the Cuomo years, 587 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: Cuomo was at war with de Blasio because they were 588 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 3: trying to occupy a similar progressive space and they just 589 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 3: personally didn't like each other. And so Albany asserted through 590 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 3: various means, including the bail reforms, which are statewide, they 591 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 3: asserted a lot of power over New York. Traditionally in 592 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 3: New York City is to tell that wags the dog 593 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: of New York State. That's been reversed and nobody votes 594 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: in these Albany elections, the statewide legislature, nobody votes in 595 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: the city council New York City council elections, And so 596 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 3: what do you get? You get the most progressive, the 597 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 3: most extreme, the loudest voices. They managed to rally their voters. 598 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: They get them out there and they win. And then 599 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: common people who have everyday concerns like food on the 600 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 3: table and getting to them from work safely look around 601 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 3: and say how did it get so far? But invariably, invariably, 602 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: if you then say well, did you vote in the 603 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: last city council election, they'll say when was that? So? 604 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: If I could put a very fine point on it, 605 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 3: all politics is indeed, local city councils, state legislatures, school boards, 606 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: these things matter, and the left has managed to leverage 607 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: these then weaponize them. They did. You know, they're much 608 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,239 Speaker 3: better at that stuff than the right. Is the right 609 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 3: better wake up because we're being beaten on a granular 610 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: level and it matters. 611 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: Well, you heard the man, go vote. Paul, Well, appreciate 612 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: you taking the time and this is super interesting learn 613 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: lot from you. Appreciate you bringing your expertise to my 614 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: audience and for taking the time to come on the show. 615 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: Lisa, any time for you and I appreciate you having me. 616 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. 617 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: I was Paul Morrow. 618 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: Appreciate him taking the time a really interesting interview. I 619 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: want to thank you guys at home for listening every 620 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. 621 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: I want to thank John Cassio, my producer, for putting 622 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: the show together. 623 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: Until next time.