WEBVTT - How Haunted House Attractions Work 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.440 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from house Stuff Works 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:13.280 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.279 There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Jerry and this is 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.320 Stuff you should Know, the pre Halloween Spooktacular week of 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:26.840 dark content. Although this isn't super dark. No, this isn't 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:33.120 you know about attractions? Haunted attractions? Right? Dark? Thank? I 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.760 don't want to spoil it, but there are some darkness. Now, 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.320 is it dark or not? It's dark, okay, but not 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.839 all of them, just just the really creepy ones. So 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.120 it's mid mid level dark. What a train wreck this is. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.440 So for those of you who tuned in thinking they 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.560 were talking about haunted houses, sorry to let you down. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:57.040 Real haunted houses, uh, of which there may or may 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.320 not be a thing. All the skeptics were like, shoot, 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.880 this is just about attractions. Yeah, these things are proven 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.759 to exist. They are real because you can probably if 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.200 you live near any kind of major metropolitan area, you 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.560 can probably find one somewhere in your town. I think 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.280 you can find them almost anywhere. If you live in 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.640 a major metropolitan area, that maybe one of those really 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.720 big daddy ones. But chances are your small town has 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.320 some form of haunted attraction, even if it's the local Uh, 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.640 if it's for charity and they're trying to raise money 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.800 for the local j c's and it's set up in 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:42.319 like a school gymnasium, or there's enthusiasts home haunters, um, 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.240 and they will they basically set up a haunted house 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.880 in their backyard. Yeah, there's some documentary about two guys 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.960 that are I don't know if they do haunted houses 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:56.520 or just take their Halloween um decorating two extremes. Well, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.240 I think that's one and the same for a home haunter. Yeah, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.760 I think they're they're competing guys on the same street 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.280 that uh someone did a documentary on because they just 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.720 keep like ramping it up and ramping it up, have 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.680 become obsessed without doing one another. But I don't know 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.680 what's called. So it just came to me right now. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.160 Me either, But um, you do make a good point 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:19.160 how haunted houses are everywhere. Apparently in two thousand fourteen, 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:24.680 they expect they being the American Retail Federation who likes 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:29.480 to put out statistics and figures about holidays, Um, they 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:34.200 expect thirty three million people to go into haunted houses 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.960 across the United States. Yeah, about four thousand of them, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.240 twelve hundred of which are the pay some money to 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.720 go in professionally, uh, about three or in theme parks 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.639 like you know, like amusement parks. And then about three 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.760 thousand of them are the charity ones that I spoke of, right, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.240 which you'll still pay. But they they're not they're not 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.000 going to the fat cat Coke Brothers or whatever. The 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:00.639 profits aren't. They're going to you know, your local community organism. Yeah, 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.480 and those are fun, you know, you might get some 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.160 light scares, it's not like these, um, the really super 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.120 scary ones where you pay good money to um, you know, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:14.280 to leave your body and wet your pants. Just one more, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:19.720 one more, um, little bit of of data statistics. You 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:23.040 don't mind some numbers, talk about roll over ifs. Remember 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:24.760 you used to be static guy, And I know I 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.359 got so bored it. Um. In two fourteen, again, the 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:33.800 National Retail Federation expects Americans to spend eighty seven dollars 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.200 per person on Halloween, for a total of seven point 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:42.920 four billion dollars. Yeah, that's right behind Christmas, right behind Christmas. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.520 People love getting their scare on. They really do. I 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.200 don't decorate at all anymore at the house, just because 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.160 I think I've talked about this before. We don't have 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.800 trick or treaders on my area of the street, so 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.400 it just seems kind of pointless. Oh yeah, you know, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.640 I mean, what is the point at that point? There 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.000 is no point. Emily thinks we could do it for 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.720 people that drive by during the month of October, like, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.760 you know, to see the house, But I don't know. Man, 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.960 you gotta you gotta whatever you put up, you gotta 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.880 take down that. And plus it's like you get no 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.600 satisfaction from somebody driving by. Sound like they hank at 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.080 your generations with little kids coming up and trick or treating, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.040 there's some sort of payoff I guess, to your your effort, right, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.360 that's right, scarring him for life? Right. So, um, let's 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.800 talk the history of this, because it turns out that 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:36.640 haunted house attractions are relatively new, but they're probably not 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.279 as new as trick or treating in the United States? 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.280 Did you know that? Not as new? So they predate 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.680 trick or treating by a little bit. Yeah, yeah, that 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.120 makes sense. And when we look at um at first, 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.279 when I read some of this history, the ancient history 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.919 else like come on, this is from Fangoria magazine, by 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.800 the way, oh us, But then when I started really 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.680 getting into us, like you know what, there's actually it 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.120 actually did pave the way for what we see today 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.960 in like ancient Egypt. To keep people from grave robbing. Basically, 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:10.960 they would uh make little scary things like trap doors 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:15.880 and um snakes and creepy insects and things to keep 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:21.440 people away from robbing their ancestries, their ancestors graves. They 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.400 put an old lady in a rocking chair who would 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:30.279 go behold the ravages of aids. What's that from the Simpsons? Uh? 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.680 Greeks and Romans? Um. Uh kind of paved the way 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.560 as well. They had um mazes and labyrinths set up 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.880 with monsters and things. Even more than that, even more directly, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:46.839 they started stage effects, yeah, like fake blood and things 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.000 like that. Yeah. Um, they they And that's where a 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.239 lot of this stuff finds its roots is in early 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.440 stage special effects. Yeah. It was, and it's still his 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.760 theater when you come down to it. It's just like 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.120 an interactive participatory theater, right that you walk through and 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:08.840 then the the dark ages that medieval ages I think 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.039 the Dark Ages, the Medieval Ages are part of the 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.919 Dark Ages, but they're not one and the same. But 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:19.440 during the Dark Ages, UM, the the introduction of well, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:23.760 the syncretism between Christianity and Paganism that led to the 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:29.479 adoption of Halloween, UM kind of saw rise to this, uh, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.240 basically a scare show. Yeah, these little plays that would 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:38.240 scare people into remaining pious and remaining on the narrow path, right, 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.719 which is still very big today, has made a huge comeback. Um. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.640 But these these scare shows, if you want to call 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.480 them that, I'm pretty sure that's not what they call 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.880 them during the Dark Ages, but they were. They featured 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.720 plenty of gore and fake blood and violence and um, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.279 so that the the people who went to saw see 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.560 Him weren't necessarily going for the religious message. They were 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.360 going to you know, be grossed out right and get 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:08.200 a kick. Yeah. Uh. During the Renaissance, Shakespeare was famous 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.200 for um incorporating like demons and ghosts and monsters in 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.200 his plays. He loved those. And in the eighteen hundreds, 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.440 We've talked about this before, there was a big rise 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:23.720 in spiritualists and conjuring sessions and mediums and fortune telling 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.600 and communicating with the dead was like a really popular 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.480 thing during the Victorian era, so it was debunking it. Yeah, 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:35.280 that's true. Um. The Victorian era also gave us um 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:40.840 the wax museum, which very quickly went from celebrities to 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.120 include scary stuff too. So you could walk through a 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.760 waxed museum and while the stuff didn't move or jump 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.360 out at you, you would come across like some sort 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.200 of tableau of you know, Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.400 and like kind of a room and it was scary 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:59.160 and lit oddly, and you were meant to The intention 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.160 was to scare you. Yeah, even though it wasn't again, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.920 there wasn't an overt scare or startle. It was something 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.600 that definitely laid the groundwork for haunted houses to come. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.560 They were to instill dread in the hearts of all. Uh. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.000 John Pepper invented something, um pretty neat in the eighteen hundreds. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.640 It was uh sort of set up where here where 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.120 you use mirrors to appear translucent. If you've ever been 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:28.920 to Disney's Haunted Mansion, UM, I think Pepper's ghost is 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.480 what they call. It is still a trick they use 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:35.280 to uh, you know, it's when you it's like a 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.000 hologram sort of smoking mirrors. Yeah, but using mirrors. It's 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.120 not like the Tuopoc hologram. It wouldn't high tech like that, 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:48.000 but it still looks pretty awesome. That's right. The twentieth century, then, Chuck, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:53.000 is where we really find the progenitors of the modern 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.640 haunted house, the dark rides. And there's this really neat 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.480 um article on Collector's Weekly. You ever read any of stuff. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.319 They write a lot of really cool long form articles 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.840 about like stuff that's come and gone, like dads and things, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.720 and one of them was, um, it's called jeepers, Creepers, 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.040 why dark rides scare the pants off of us? But 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.120 the Collector's Weekly article, it's an interview with the guy 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.840 who collects old dark ride stuff. But dark rides were 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.720 like if you went to some rinky dink amusement park 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.200 or whatever. They couldn't afford to have a roller coaster, 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.000 but they could afford a little dark building with the 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.960 walls painted black inside and a little train track or 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.559 maybe a little boat or something that rode you through 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.960 and all of a sudden a skeleton popped out of 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.960 the wall or you know this a strobe light went 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.559 off or something like that, and these were the direct 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.720 progenitors of uh, the haunted house. Yeah, and between that 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:53.640 and the traveling freak shows, um, it really, like you said, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.760 everything was in place. And couple that with the fact 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:59.160 that a lot of these houses from the eight hundreds 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.800 are starting to crumble and there was, you know, narry 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.160 a neighborhood that didn't have some creepy old vacant house 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:08.360 and to keep their kids out, you know, people would say, 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.200 parents would say, you know that place, you don't want 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:11.839 to go in there. It's all on it because you 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.040 may not come out, which is that was an interesting 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.719 point that I definitely wasn't aware of. Yeah, but if 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.199 you think of the modern conception of when you think 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.280 of a haunted house, what comes to mind typically is uh, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.840 dilapidated old Victorian mansion with a story around it. You know, 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.520 It's never just like, oh, yeah, that was where Mr Johnson, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.320 that he was a farmer and kind of a good guy, 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.360 died quietly asleep, no reports of his ghost at all. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.320 That Well, what's probably funny is that was the real story. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.880 But what you heard was that he killed his family 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:47.880 and had their name written on each knife blade. Um, 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.920 that's what I heard. The first official recorded haunted attraction. 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.520 According to this person who wrote this article in Fangoria, 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.160 Beha McKendry. He says that Orton and Spooner, the Orton 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.720 and Spooner ghost House in the UK uh and the 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.600 Edwardian Fair in nineteen fifteen was the first, uh like 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:13.360 a genuine haunted attraction. Yep, that was the first ghost house. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.040 And in France they had something called the Grand uh 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.920 guen All and um that was sort of similar, i think, 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.679 and around the same time. So you've got that haunted house, 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.560 You've got the dark houses that are coming up in 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.640 places like Coney Island and stuff like that, and then 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.320 finally you have the first big time permanent haunted house 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.839 as we understand today. What you've already mentioned the Haunted 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.600 Mansion that that was first built in nineteen sixty nine 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.760 at Disneyland, and apparently it was supposed to go up 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.800 at Disney oh know, it was so Disneyland, the one 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.480 in California and the one in Disney World that came 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.120 up in the seventies, right, uh, late seventies, early eighties. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.760 I'm not sure. Actually, I've been to that one though, 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.839 if you want to know more about that stuff. Though, 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.480 I think, um, Stuff you missed in History Class did 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.400 like a whole episode on the Haunted Mansion Ride. Oh, 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.080 Holly from Stuff You miss in History Class is an 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.000 absolute Haunted Mansion fanatic, right, I think they have a 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.439 whole episode on. She knows more about it than anyone, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.480 more than Walt Disney himself knew, I think. But here's 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.320 a little known fact besides what you just said about Holly, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.600 she knows more about it than Walt Disney. Um. Originally, 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.640 the the Haunted Mansion Ride was a walkthrough ride like 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:34.319 today's Haunted Houses. UM. But instead they found that the 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.440 I guess the people the ushers couldn't get people on 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.880 a pace easily enough and so there'd be traffic jams 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.080 and backups and everything. So they said, we'll turn it 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.400 into a dark ride. That's what they did. Yeah, which 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:48.080 we'll get to this later, but that's a big part 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:53.160 of running your own haunted houses is the flow. Yeah. Also, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.400 the Haunted House and the Haunted Mansion in Disney was 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.800 based on the Winchester Mystery House. As far as the look, 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.920 they didn't want to have UM credit Old dilapidated psycho 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.320 house in the middle of their lovely park. So they says, well, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:06.960 we can make it creepy on the inside, and let's 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.880 just make it like a really lovely Victorian on the outside. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.320 And if you haven't listened to that podcast on the 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.040 Winchester Mystery, also recommend it's pretty neat. The Son of Ours. Yeah, yeah, man, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.760 that was a good one. Not the Disney podcast. Um 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.040 So then you mentioned the j c's, Chuck, and I 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:27.840 didn't realize this, but the idea of a semi permanent 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.199 so not not located in like an amusement park or 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:36.320 something like that, but um, they an annual attraction that 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:40.119 just comes up around Halloween and then comes down in November. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.840 November one. Um, as far as haunted houses go in 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.079 the United States, was created by the j c's, which 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.480 is the United States Junior Chamber, which is like a 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.079 community organization with chapters across the country. And in the seventies, 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.199 the j c's hit upon this idea of well, why 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:03.240 don't you guys create haunted houses in your town as fundraisers, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.880 and it just took off like a rocket, and the 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.280 j CS became synonymous in the seventies and eighties and 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.959 up to the nineties with haunted houses. Like if you 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.760 went to a haunted house in your town, it was 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.480 probably put on by the local chapter of the j c's. Yeah. 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:19.760 I remember specifically going to some of those as a kid, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.080 as well as my church would have their own haunted houses, 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:29.720 not hell houses. Yeah, just very like kid oriented minor 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.840 uh spooks and goblins. Um, we'll get into hell houses later. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:35.720 But even though I did go to Baptist Church, it 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.120 wasn't anything like that surprising. Yeah, I mean that was 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.920 before the concept of the hell house. Um. Yeah, it 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.800 was just like we would have like a Halloween carnival, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.800 you know, Bob rapples and did that little fishing game 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.080 where you get something clipped to your fishing pole behind 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:56.360 the curtain. It's so funny. Do you remember when you 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.720 were a kid just being like, God, this Halloween carnival 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:01.960 is really well done. Ye. Man, if you go to 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.280 one as an adult, you're like this is really junkie, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.560 Like are these kids really falling for all this stuff? 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.440 And they are. It's wonderful. Yeah. My elementary school had 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.680 a pretty rock and Halloween carnival every year too. The 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.040 Catholic school I went to had a good one. It 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.600 was one of the highlights of my year. But um, yeah, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.120 you're right. And now the concept of bobbing for apples, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.520 there's no way I would put my face in that 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:30.440 disgusting water, no, you know, yeah. Um. Anyway, out of 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.520 the j CS in there were a couple of guys 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:38.520 from a chapter in Bloomington, Illinois named Jim Goulden Tom Hillagas, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.880 and they says, you know what, let's just create our 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:46.400 own Haunted House book basically like a yeah, I don't 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:47.560 know if it was a book. Yeah, I guess it 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.240 was a book, and let's teach people how to open 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.600 these up and sell it. And they distributed about twenty 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.920 copies and it was they formed the Haunted House Company, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.240 and it was the first real UH group of outfit 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.200 to kind of just sell the plan and the stuff 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.880 that you needed, the props, right, like details like how 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:13.280 to do special effects. Um. And because of the success 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.680 of the j C s UH in the seventies and eighties, 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:20.160 private companies finally were like, we can make some cast 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.000 off of this. Starting in the nineties, and so the 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.680 haunted houses that we think of today, the sure profit 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.920 ones like Another World in Atlanta or thirteen Story of 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:33.880 New Orleans is another big one. Um that that they 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.760 came out of the nineties. Do you go to those? 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:40.320 No no interest? Yeah? Do you now? Emily and I 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.120 we still may go. She she has a hanker in 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.640 this year to go to another world just because we 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.040 haven't been to. I think we went to one in 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.920 l A that was pretty decent. Um. I'll go, I 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.480 guess if she wants to. But it's not my favorite thing. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.000 I mean, I don't I like. I like scary movies 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.800 and stuff. I'm not. I don't avoid that up. I 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.840 am depressed. Chuck on Twitter the other day, I said, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.639 the best scary movie or the best horror movie I 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.360 haven't seen go and I have heard of Vampire Brooklyn, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:15.760 Eddie Murphy, every single every single suggestion, and there are 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.919 a bunch of suggestions that everybody shot back. So I realized, 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.560 I'm really running low on good horror movies. But there 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.840 they aren't around much anymore. Like the ones that are 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.280 to me, the ones that are genuinely scary are the 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.120 ones that get into your head. Um, and I'll take 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.440 a fair amount of jump scares because that's a part 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.880 of it, if it's got the tension ratcheted up. But um, 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.080 the ones these days, man, just that the disgusting torture 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.280 porn thing. I'm just not into that. I'm not either. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.359 It's just such an easy, cheap Yeah, they don't scare me, 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.800 just repulse me exactly, which is a totally different sensation. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.080 You know. That's fine if you like to be repulsed 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:59.120 in whatever like that's it's great for that, But that's 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:05.440 not true fear. It's not um being scared necessarily. It's different. Yeah, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.760 I do have a recommendation for you though. It's called 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.560 either The Lady in Black or Woman in Black, and 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.160 it's starts a growing up Harry Potter, So it's fairly new. 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:16.600 I think it's that came out in the last couple 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.600 of years. Daniel Recliff, and he does a great job. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.440 It's almost exclusively just him in the movie Lady and Black. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.640 He does double duty. And there are some like um 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:35.240 like Conjuring esque style like c g I ghost graphics, 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.679 but it's not overdone and it's not overblown, and it 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:42.439 is a genuinely frightening ghost story. Conjuring was okay, it 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.000 was Okay, that's way I would say this one might 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:47.640 be better. And and that guy is it I don't 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.360 know if it's Tie or t West tis his name. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.640 He's a director that did Um The Innkeepers and oh, yeah, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.280 that was a good one too. Yeah, and then I 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.640 can't remember the did he do House with the Devil? 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.480 Those are pretty good because he is a little more 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.119 old school. He's not just trying to outgore you or 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.160 shock you. It's um. He tries to build genuine suspense 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.159 and dread. The same guy to both of those movies. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.040 Uh not The Conjuring, No, No, The Innkeepers and The 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.119 House of the Devil. I think so, because both of 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:19.040 those were good movies. They seem totally different. Though, Yeah, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.119 I may be wrong in that Innkeepers. That was a 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.040 slow burn that managed to pay off, but it took 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.280 a long time to build. That was a little slow, 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.439 Like you didn't even try to start the scares until 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.320 like thirty minutes in. Yeah, you know the lady that's 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.560 in that is uh Kelly McGillis, did you realize that? Yeah? 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:40.280 I didn't know till the end of the movie. It 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.240 said Kelly McGillis was like, oh, she's got the same 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.400 name as that lady from Top Gun. Yeah, but then 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:49.520 it's really her. She looks so different now, So that's 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.720 our Josh and Chuck's for a movie corner. We'll get 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:59.359 back to the actual podcast right after this message. You know, 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.520 we should we should have done a Maybe next year 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.080 we'll just do one of those, like a total horror movie. Uh, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.600 talk fest sounds good. Those are fun. But back to 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:14.679 the more boring subject of haunted house attraction. Um, the 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:16.480 industry is huge, Like you said, there's a lot of 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.359 money to be made, and uh no too. Haunted houses 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.560 are going to be alike. Sometimes these folks that open 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.479 them by an old home or something and own it 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.199 and do this every year. Sometimes they rent out of space. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.919 The ones I've been to haven't been in the actual space. 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.400 Wasn't some like cool old house or like a penitentiary 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.680 or yeah, apparently Eastern State Penitentiary is converted ye here, 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.880 and that is a scary, scary place, just normally. Yeah, 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:46.960 the only ones I've been to are the ones that 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.600 is it's like it's in a big open like a 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:52.520 shopping center where there used to be a like a 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:59.440 sales jewelry closed and right the Ghost of Capitalism. Um. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.159 And then the you have themes, some of them. I 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.399 think the better haunted houses have themes because when you 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.359 talk about scares, you can be all over the map. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.280 Um from doing something like with a movie theme, where 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:14.439 you have classic horror movies or serial killers or gray scientists, 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:18.400 or like vampires and monsters and ghouls and goblins. Yes, 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:21.120 those are two very different kind of themes. Apparently, Um, 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:26.200 Rob Zombies got his own jam going and she called 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:30.680 his house yeah pretty much. Um, it's called Rob Zombies 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.439 Great American Nightmare. I think it's supposed to be a 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.159 play on the American Dream. But one of the rooms 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.200 is the John Wayne Gayzy Room, and it's like a 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.240 guy dressed up like John Wayne Gacy's Bubbles the clown. 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.239 I think that was the name of his clown, wasn't it. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.040 Uh that sounds right. Um, just kind of hanging out 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.000 in like a recline or whatever. And this is Chicago, 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.280 and that's where John Wayne Gacy killed his victims, and 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.280 a lot of the victims families are still around, so 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.679 everybody's up in arms, and Rob Zombies like could not 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.920 less thank you for the free press, right exactly. Well, 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.480 clowns are posted something on our Facebook page a day 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.679 because that new clown and um American Horror story. Have 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:14.720 you seen this clown yet? Twisty the Clown, The guy 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.800 that made that show is like, just wait, Like, I 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.040 know clowns can be scary, but I have got the 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:24.080 scariest clown ever. And it's pretty scary, dude. Yeah, Like 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.480 I'm not bothered by it by things like that much, 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:29.200 but I saw this clown and I'm not into that show, 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.000 but I did watch the scenes that that clown was 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:32.800 in just to see what it was. Like, Yeah, it's 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.200 pretty frightening. I'll have to check them out. Yeah. And 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.680 and there's a broad daylight killing, which are always super 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.280 scary to me. Oh yeah, like they don't care about 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.239 there's no hiding it or any Yeah. That like a 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.520 beautiful blue sky out in a beautiful field, and those 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.560 kind of creep me out more. Yeah, because the whole 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.120 idea of like, oh, it's a good day to die, 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.200 to me, that doesn't mean it's beautiful out. It means 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.080 like it's like the world's already ending now it's a 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.240