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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, December twelve, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode
Speaker 1: number ninety eight. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We're alive. We're in the s WBC Mortgage studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. All right, Nick, Yeah, all right, Yet they
Speaker 1: look on your face like you in deep thought, got
Speaker 1: some good for us. No, that's not that's not a
Speaker 1: great way to start the show. You suppose always pretty
Speaker 1: honest for one, right, he was abbout to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got something really good for you. Interesting stat. Okay,
Speaker 1: throw it out there, yeah, throw out there. You know,
Speaker 1: in the last thirty years, they've cut a kicker in
Speaker 1: mid season five times. Okay, made the playoffs four times.
Speaker 1: M wow m The other time was nine and seven
Speaker 1: missed it on the last week of the season. That
Speaker 1: sounds more likely. Yeah, like as bad as things are,
Speaker 1: and they're pretty bad. It's pretty interesting, weird stat if
Speaker 1: you were gonna bet, if you were gonna bet right
Speaker 1: now on playoffs or no playoffs, what would you pick? No,
Speaker 1: I think I'd still say yeah. I think i'd still
Speaker 1: say I think I still say yes, not because they're good,
Speaker 1: but just because of how little you have to do
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs right now. Yeah, but you see,
Speaker 1: I will say this, I will say this. Somebody's I'm
Speaker 1: glad it's not me for a change. I would definitely
Speaker 1: still say yes, but I would be barely saying yes,
Speaker 1: Like I would be like, yeah, maybe they could, they won't, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would say yes, But do they
Speaker 1: win that playoff game? No? No, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 1: But I don't think anybody's necessarily saying that like that.
Speaker 1: But what what do y'all see? Like? How does it works?
Speaker 1: Only three games? So we can break it down. I
Speaker 1: think they got I think they win the two NFC
Speaker 1: East team. Yeah, Eagles up there. I'd see an Eagles
Speaker 1: team that is beyond banged up and heard Alshall and
Speaker 1: Jefferies now and I are so they're not getting him
Speaker 1: back and they got they got not a lot to
Speaker 1: work with. I don't know where Lane Johnson's at, but
Speaker 1: he's not at one hundred percent. Oh god, oh god,
Speaker 1: And what is he gonna like at this point? It's
Speaker 1: not that Dez couldn't help somebody, but come in and
Speaker 1: week fifteen and all of a sudden be ready to
Speaker 1: keep saying on Twitter that he's ready. I don't know
Speaker 1: how I see it. I mean, that's just about anybody.
Speaker 1: Anybody's stepping it, hasn't played football at how long. That's
Speaker 1: just yeah, coming off an achilles by the way, that
Speaker 1: the last time he was on the fields when he's achillies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Eagles are banged up, and the one thing Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett is actually pretty good at is winning in the
Speaker 1: NFC East. The Redskins obviously, I know, I mean they've
Speaker 1: they're playing better. They pushed Green Bay the other day,
Speaker 1: but I mean I still think the Cowboys can beat
Speaker 1: him at home. Yeah, well, I mean the Redskins can
Speaker 1: definitely win this Sunday against the Eagles too. Like Sures. Actually,
Speaker 1: Washington has been playing a lot better here these last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks since the coaching change. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just I just I don't see any way the
Speaker 1: Cowboys winning this game, not really. No came coming back.
Speaker 1: That's the thing they do not have to If Darren
Speaker 1: Woodston comes back, you know and plays, maybe so, but
Speaker 1: I don't as people may not see that he was
Speaker 1: just walking by. That's the great thing about working in
Speaker 1: this building, like just randomly people. Yeah, people just walk
Speaker 1: past it. Like I'll be sitting in my office and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Rod just stop back and walk by,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, that was just rock. You know.
Speaker 1: That's it's cool. It is cool. What's weird is when
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there and you and you look up
Speaker 1: and then Rowdy goes by on a skateboard or something
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like or Jason or Jason on Escape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now that now we would all love No Worthy, We
Speaker 1: would love to see that. All right, let's jump into this.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some injuries. Catch up on where this
Speaker 1: team is with regards to injuries. There were two guys
Speaker 1: that did not practice yesterday, Sean Lee with a peck
Speaker 1: and thigh injury or injuries, and Layton van Dress, who
Speaker 1: we'd alred to talk about with the neck injury. Talk
Speaker 1: to me about Sean. How serious is this because I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: if Layton's probably not gonna play, then you certainly are
Speaker 1: really hard pressed to figure out what you're gonna do
Speaker 1: if Sean Lee also can't play. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: that serious, Sean. I mean, you know, Sean is Sean.
Speaker 1: We know all about his injury history, we know all
Speaker 1: about how the coaches prefer to manage him to keep
Speaker 1: him fresh. I'm sure he's banged up, but he was.
Speaker 1: He was upbeating the locker room yesterday. He was talking
Speaker 1: as if he's gonna play. He was out of practice today,
Speaker 1: not practicing, but rehabbing with Britt Brown in his uniform,
Speaker 1: kind of getting himself right. I think it's, like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's dealing with something, but I think it's
Speaker 1: more maintenance than he might not play. All right, So
Speaker 1: there were there's a whole litany of guys that ever
Speaker 1: limited though any of these guys concern you, Michael Bennett,
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins, Jeff Heath, Byron Jones, Chris Jones, Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, Antoine Woods. I'll speak to Pollard. I saw
Speaker 1: and return a kickoff just now at practice. He's good,
Speaker 1: all right, good to go. Jeff Heath concerns me like
Speaker 1: his shoulders are. He's in rough shape. Like, kudos to
Speaker 1: him forgiving it a go, but there's no way he
Speaker 1: feels good. When when a safety has bumped shoulders, that
Speaker 1: seems like a huge problem because your job is to tackle.
Speaker 1: It's like a linebacker, and I would assume every time
Speaker 1: he makes a tackle it's extremely painful, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's where you get the impact, that's where you hit
Speaker 1: your body first. That's well. I was just talking about
Speaker 1: this with another writer and look, I mean, look, I
Speaker 1: get it. The team's bad. I don't and these guys
Speaker 1: make a lot of money. I don't expect you to
Speaker 1: spend a ton of time feeling sorry for him. But
Speaker 1: at this point in the season, the stuff these guys
Speaker 1: do to be out there is nothing short of incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, DeMarcus Lawrence played half a season
Speaker 1: with a torn laboram Jeff is doing something similar right now.
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford has played through stuff like that. A lot
Speaker 1: of these guys are in a lot of pain, and
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, they're paid well to do it,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make it less impressive that they can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Chris Jones, is there any concern there? Obviously your punter,
Speaker 1: you don't just have backup punter sitting around, he's also
Speaker 1: your holder. Is there any concern with his injury? Well,
Speaker 1: we'll find out. I mean with if there's concern here,
Speaker 1: then they're going to go sign someone. So if they
Speaker 1: they don't do that, Like, I don't expect that to happen.
Speaker 1: I don't expect them to bring anyone on because if
Speaker 1: they were concerned, they would have to bring someone in
Speaker 1: like this week to try to at least on the
Speaker 1: practice squad or something. Right. Yeah, I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that and he was out there today in the fact
Speaker 1: that it's all right Thursday, That's what I'm saying. The
Speaker 1: fact that there really if there hasn't been any movement
Speaker 1: on that front by Thursday afternoon, tells you something that's
Speaker 1: not Forget the NFL is you know, really cracking down
Speaker 1: on injury report Like if he wasn't on it and
Speaker 1: all that, I mean, it just makes more sense to
Speaker 1: put everybody on it that you possibly can, because if
Speaker 1: you don't want a situation like what happened to the Lions,
Speaker 1: where you kind of something that creeps up quick and
Speaker 1: then you put it on and then it's like, wait,
Speaker 1: why was any on there? So you just I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying these guys aren't banged up, but I
Speaker 1: think any of the slightest thing is gonna put you
Speaker 1: on the list. Yea, all right, here's what's gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take an early first break when we come back.
Speaker 1: Before we get to our scatter report, which Dave's gonna
Speaker 1: give us on the Rams defense, I want to talk
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Speaker 1: for provol Pro Bowl voting in I want to toss
Speaker 1: out once us out a couple of names. You guys,
Speaker 1: wait to see where your thoughts are on whether Cowboys
Speaker 1: will have any guys representing this team in the Pro
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Speaker 1: the Break Welcome Back. It is the second segment of
Speaker 1: The Break Life and Nest WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about Pro and we
Speaker 1: do have to talk about it. This is the final
Speaker 1: day of fan voting, So if you feel inclined as
Speaker 1: a listener to go out and fill out your ballot,
Speaker 1: then take your time to go out and fill out
Speaker 1: the ballot. But I did want to throw out some
Speaker 1: names to you guys, get your opinions as to whether
Speaker 1: you think they should or will make the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: All right, somebody they are. And so when I throw
Speaker 1: out the name, I want you to tell me whether
Speaker 1: you think they should and whether you think they will,
Speaker 1: because I do think a lot of these will have
Speaker 1: different answers on should and will, right let's talk first
Speaker 1: about Tyron Smith. Should Will I'm still gonna say should
Speaker 1: yea and Will? And I think that's a testament to
Speaker 1: how how good Tyron Smith is that this hasn't been
Speaker 1: a phenomenal season for him by any stretch. And he's
Speaker 1: I would, I mean, he's definitely one of the best
Speaker 1: three left tackles in the NFC's to ask how many
Speaker 1: games has he missed? I haven't any. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: you got you got box tri in Green Bay, you
Speaker 1: got which I've seen him this year, have some shaky moments.
Speaker 1: You got Armstead in New Orleans. He's dealt with injuries.
Speaker 1: It's two games missed, two games. I mean he's had
Speaker 1: some penalties. Yeah, you know, he's had some penalties. He's
Speaker 1: given up some sacks. I don't try to tell you
Speaker 1: he's he's been at its best. I still think he's
Speaker 1: one of the best two or three tackle left tackles
Speaker 1: in the FC. Yeah, I think so. And I think
Speaker 1: it's a testament to how freakishly good he is that
Speaker 1: you know this is a down year for him, because
Speaker 1: the vast majority of teams would take this season in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. So we're all saying should and will see perfect.
Speaker 1: We should have made this a sea an all right,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin should end will see still playing at a
Speaker 1: really high level, Spide injuries again, still one of the
Speaker 1: best handful of guards in football. Again. And it goes
Speaker 1: down to like, if you follow boxing and you're the champ,
Speaker 1: you don't just get like some split decision and take
Speaker 1: the title. I mean, you're gonna have to really beat him.
Speaker 1: And so who is better than I mean, Zack Martin
Speaker 1: and Tyren Smith are two guys that are I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they've been holding the belts for a long time.
Speaker 1: And again think of him like Quenton Nelson might be
Speaker 1: a better guard than Zach Martin. He's in the AFC,
Speaker 1: and you got to think about it in terms of
Speaker 1: conferences too. All right, let's move on Mark Cooper. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's Will. That's one of those I'll say, Will, That's
Speaker 1: one of those ones where like we're in the bubble
Speaker 1: so much that I can't even like, I'm I was
Speaker 1: about to say, should. I think he's had a really
Speaker 1: good year, but how does he stack up? I mean,
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas is gonna make it christ like a backup,
Speaker 1: you know, like somebody else is unable to go right now.
Speaker 1: He's fifth in the league in receiving yards, behind in
Speaker 1: the league behind Michael Thomas, Chris Godwin, Mike Evans is
Speaker 1: two from his hamp big Buccans say, I'll say j
Speaker 1: DJ Moore and then Amari Cooper. All five of those
Speaker 1: guys are NFC yea, yeah, DJ Moore is having a
Speaker 1: nice year. Three of those are in the NFC South.
Speaker 1: None of those guys are beating out of Cooper and
Speaker 1: all that like, like, except for Michael Thomas, except for
Speaker 1: Michael Tomah And it's because of cowboys, which and that's
Speaker 1: that's a huge part of it. He's a really good
Speaker 1: play He's good. No, he's he's had a really nice year.
Speaker 1: I think he and I don't have a problem with that, honestly,
Speaker 1: And you think he should. Yeah, all right, let's move
Speaker 1: on to um Dak Prescott. I think he I think
Speaker 1: you will make it for sure because of all the
Speaker 1: stuff that will end up happening. But I bet he
Speaker 1: gets voted in anyways, Let's be clear about this right now,
Speaker 1: he is number one in the league in passing yards,
Speaker 1: and I know everybody still goes back to you know again,
Speaker 1: quarterback is the only position in the NFL where they
Speaker 1: track win loss record or where people assigned and a
Speaker 1: win loss record to a player. But all that being said,
Speaker 1: you look at just the overall stats and you're comparing
Speaker 1: him to other guys in the league. He's right up
Speaker 1: there near the very top with regards to especially in
Speaker 1: the NFC, but right up there at the very top.
Speaker 1: You think about the other backs that are being mentioned
Speaker 1: as those really great quarterbacks this season, they're all in
Speaker 1: the AFC. Yeah, I mean, the one guy is Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the other guys that are
Speaker 1: their teams are up there. You don't have to put
Speaker 1: Cousins in. You don't have to put Drew Brees. And
Speaker 1: he hasn't. He hasn't had a great year. If Breese
Speaker 1: had had a full season, I would say, but he has, Yes,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Gee, I mean, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what his stats look like, but they're very they're similar.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a thousand and fewer yards than Dak,
Speaker 1: two fewer yards per attempt. I would say right now,
Speaker 1: the three would go would be Russell Dak and Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and then one of those. I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't like I would have a problem if you tried
Speaker 1: to name Dak first team All Pro and I mean
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl has I don't want to say it's hollow,
Speaker 1: because I still think it's impressive, but it's just not
Speaker 1: as hard to make a Pro Bowl these days. You
Speaker 1: can make you can be the eighth quarterback in the
Speaker 1: league and get in. And Dak has made the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowls on the strength of lesser seasons than this, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is yeah, I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with him, Benn either. I think Zeke next, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly where I was gonna go. Zekiel Elliott, same thing,
Speaker 1: same I just I mean, who who else? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he's fifth in the league and rushing in
Speaker 1: the NFC. Obviously, Christian McCaffrey, obviously, Dalvin Cook, that's after that,
Speaker 1: that's really I mean everybody else's and Ky Gurley hasn't
Speaker 1: had an amazing season, and everybody else is kind of
Speaker 1: part of a timeshare situation. You start going down the
Speaker 1: list farther as far as yards would be there where
Speaker 1: Zeke was. You got guys like Chris Carson, You got
Speaker 1: guys like it's a lot of AFC guys. You have
Speaker 1: to go all the way down to fifteenth. Aaron Jones.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting one because he has had I think
Speaker 1: a really good year. I don't know if you would
Speaker 1: say he's better. He's had a better year than Zeke,
Speaker 1: but he's had a really good year. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of touchdowns. Yeah, one way or another. I think
Speaker 1: fifteen is his number. He's been pretty good. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't how do you really judge this thing? When
Speaker 1: as far as voting, how you looking just to the stats? Well,
Speaker 1: there are two things. The fans vote based upon whatever
Speaker 1: they mean. It's a popularity contest in some respects. But
Speaker 1: then the other parts of the vote are the players.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the players are necessarily worrying as yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're worried necessarily as much about
Speaker 1: stats as much as they are when we played this guy.
Speaker 1: And that'll be a big part of I think how
Speaker 1: fire players vote last year. Yeah, go ahead, just we
Speaker 1: were saying thinking the same thing. A good example of
Speaker 1: that which surprised me is that Byron Jones could get
Speaker 1: in without making a pick, without getting interception. It's never
Speaker 1: happened in Cowboys history, and so that that just goes
Speaker 1: to show that it's not just stats. People are looking
Speaker 1: a little deeper than I think. The advent of you know,
Speaker 1: everybody can watch all twenty two Pro Football Focus is
Speaker 1: throwing out these grades every week. People are breaking down
Speaker 1: advanced metrics, and I do think people are paying more
Speaker 1: attention to just your baseline stats. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, that still carries a lot of weight.
Speaker 1: So you know, we mocked the segment to start with,
Speaker 1: and here we are, we got like six guys going
Speaker 1: I mean at this point, we we have not I
Speaker 1: don't think we've not said any of these guys shouldn't
Speaker 1: be going, right. Keep now go to the offensive line,
Speaker 1: A perennial Pro Bowler and Travis Frederick Well, I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna throw his name out because I didn't think that
Speaker 1: he was play but let's talk about it. He's made
Speaker 1: what four Pro Bowls? He's not gonna make it this year.
Speaker 1: Nobody's made more Pro Bowls in Cowboys history than Jason
Speaker 1: Witton at eleven. You don't think there's a chance Travis
Speaker 1: makes it just because he's a Dallas Cowboy. There is
Speaker 1: a chance. I just don't think he would make it.
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna say no, I'm not sure, because
Speaker 1: he did have a year removed, so somebody did have
Speaker 1: to replace him. Kelsey in Philadelphia easy, the guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: the rookie in New Orleans. McCoy's playing really well. I
Speaker 1: don't yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to dog Travis.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he's played a Yeah, I couldn't see
Speaker 1: Witten making I mean, I'm trying to think of the
Speaker 1: other tight ends in the NFC. But honestly, got go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: you go ahead. I was gonna say, you definitely got Hurts.
Speaker 1: He's definitely gonna get in. I mean, if you're talking
Speaker 1: about name and and just because he's been so good
Speaker 1: the last several years, because he would be, but he
Speaker 1: would be the guy that would get to NOD before
Speaker 1: really a good year at all. He did not right,
Speaker 1: but he's not. I don't even know if he's got
Speaker 1: more catches on his on his own team than Goddard.
Speaker 1: It seems like Goddard had Goddards, Goddard could be a consideration.
Speaker 1: What does this? What does this tell you? Though? That
Speaker 1: answered the question that we were talking about earlier. For all,
Speaker 1: for all of their awards, Dak has played some really
Speaker 1: bad games. The offensive line hasn't been on its level.
Speaker 1: We got let me throw something until you don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think the offense is the main culprit in zach
Speaker 1: Ert problems. This year leads the league in receptions for
Speaker 1: we're tight ends. What yes, seventy nine? Next closes got
Speaker 1: seventy five. Travis Kelsey, he just wasn't what what we've
Speaker 1: been accustomed to him doing, Like he's been putting up
Speaker 1: wide receiver type fantasy numbers in past years. This year
Speaker 1: it's probably the same thing with Travis Kelsey. I had
Speaker 1: him in my league and I was like, kind of disappointing.
Speaker 1: But for a tight end, it's still I think y'all
Speaker 1: are really good production spoiled by the fact that he
Speaker 1: literally set all the records right yere right, Um, But
Speaker 1: you got guys like George Kittle and yah Zac Garts,
Speaker 1: and these guys are gonna get in. Even a guy
Speaker 1: like Austin Hooper probably gets in before Jason. But I
Speaker 1: will tell you this, Jason Witten right now is seventh
Speaker 1: in the league in the league in receptions among tight ends,
Speaker 1: and what is he in the NFC. In the NFC,
Speaker 1: that would be one, two, three, he'd be fourth, two
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, the quarterback, the running back, and Amari. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's on the offensive side. That sounds defense.
Speaker 1: All right, let's not talk about the defense. No, let's
Speaker 1: start talking about the defense. Uh, let's start with Tank.
Speaker 1: There's is nine of the guys that have more sacks.
Speaker 1: I don't think either. And now he's made it with
Speaker 1: less sacks. But this year, I mean no, I don't
Speaker 1: think and I and I think he has. He has
Speaker 1: played better than a lot of people want to give
Speaker 1: him credit for. Still not convinced. That means Robert Quinn
Speaker 1: he can't. He can't. Forgot his suspension was for for
Speaker 1: portance enhancing drugs. So he's He's the one guy that
Speaker 1: I would really feel adamant about putting in the Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: and he can't make it. Sorry. Jalen Smith neither. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Will, I'm sorry. Will. I forgot the game, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot. Should he probably? But I think, I honestly think,
Speaker 1: I'll say he absolutely will make it to the Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl because he's leading the league in tackles. He is
Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy, and there's eight of them that get invited,
Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna make the Super Bowl. Somebody's gonna have
Speaker 1: a Nie Scope. Somebody's just not going to feel like
Speaker 1: doing it. And so even if he's not the league's
Speaker 1: first choice, eventually he'll make it. Here's another reason why
Speaker 1: he will or he definitely could, is because you know
Speaker 1: you have to kind of jump in there and beat
Speaker 1: somebody out that's doing it for years. Well, one of
Speaker 1: the linebackers in his way, he was late in Vanderish
Speaker 1: and he's out for this year, you know, to not
Speaker 1: make it in the Pro Bowl. So there's a spot
Speaker 1: available that was there last year. It you know, it
Speaker 1: definitely could happen. But you guys think he should. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think even I mean do we I know,
Speaker 1: I know that we've seen a lot of plays where
Speaker 1: were like, man, that wasn't very good, but it is
Speaker 1: something to be leading the league and tackles. I mean
Speaker 1: that that is something right that actually that that kind
Speaker 1: of plays into what we were just saying about Byron
Speaker 1: though like typically you're yes, that is like the metric
Speaker 1: people have always used. But we have all of these
Speaker 1: avenues to tell us the real story. Now, it just
Speaker 1: it just doesn't mean it's much. I can separate my
Speaker 1: feelings from just I just can't separate how I feel
Speaker 1: towards him at this point. And then, you know what
Speaker 1: really really bothers me is one the whole celebration thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about this past game. You know
Speaker 1: where he did come back and apologize. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: that specific, man, talk about the zone you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm talking in general general. You know, where the defense
Speaker 1: is not necessarily performing well and the kawis are not
Speaker 1: necessarily winning the game at that point, and then you
Speaker 1: make it play and he's like, oh, let me swipe
Speaker 1: or let me join somebody else's celebration. That bothers me
Speaker 1: so much and it shouldn't, but it really does. And
Speaker 1: it just it makes me not necessarily dislike him, but
Speaker 1: when I look at him playing the way that he does,
Speaker 1: it makes me be more critical of him. You know
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Shout out to Brian brought us. I
Speaker 1: think today is his birthday. Birthday he would have T shirts.
Speaker 1: He had T shirts had a lot of sayings. He
Speaker 1: has a T shirt that said f FOFL. First to
Speaker 1: finish last. Yeah, finish first or finish last or something
Speaker 1: like that, and uh, this is the year you would
Speaker 1: wear that shirt. Yeah, okay, because they are fighting for
Speaker 1: their lives. And I think people all have a problem
Speaker 1: with with you know, this is the biggest game of
Speaker 1: the year right now. I mean, you got it. You
Speaker 1: got to hang on. And on Wednesday before the game,
Speaker 1: you've got a guy saying, hey, don't forget to vote
Speaker 1: for me for the Pro Bowl. If it's his account,
Speaker 1: if he runs it, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because you know, if somebody is the ghostwriter of his account,
Speaker 1: which is definitely could happen with him. I just think
Speaker 1: that that's a bad look. It's tone death is what
Speaker 1: it is, and it's him. I mean, it's it's not
Speaker 1: aware of And then if he wasn't aware, then just
Speaker 1: look at the comments underneath. Yeah, it wasn't pretty. It
Speaker 1: didn't go well. So anyways, I mean, I think you
Speaker 1: have a problem with that is what she's saying as well.
Speaker 1: But as you know, do you know what the record
Speaker 1: is for most tackles in a season for Cowboy? Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: probably like one eighty something. Ye Eugene Lockhart two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two tackles in nineteen eighty two twenty two,
Speaker 1: they went one and fifteen that year. Somebody had to tackle.
Speaker 1: Somebody made tackles on on a bad team, and you
Speaker 1: probably get a lot more opportunities the worst of the team.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'm saying. I mean, the lead
Speaker 1: in the league. Does anybody remember do you even remember
Speaker 1: the name of the tight end that went forty yards
Speaker 1: on the screen in Chicago? I already forgot his name.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about, though? Right? Well, somebody
Speaker 1: got credit for that tackle? Is that good? Is that?
Speaker 1: I mean? Is that an impressive thing? No? I mean
Speaker 1: there's something to be said for making tackles, but you'd
Speaker 1: rather see tackles for a loss. That's not all that
Speaker 1: that you'd want to tell you a lot more. Not
Speaker 1: all tackles are created equal, right, Um, But I do
Speaker 1: think the popularity of the Cowboys and the stats and
Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of guys bow out means
Speaker 1: he'll probably make it if I had to guess. And
Speaker 1: let's also be clear about tackles that you know, the
Speaker 1: NFL does their own set and the Cowboys, I mean,
Speaker 1: the other teams do theirs. So he's got one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty one total tackles. I bet you the NFL
Speaker 1: list is less than that. That's discrepancy between team stats
Speaker 1: and league stats is crazy because I'm ESPN credits him
Speaker 1: with one hundred and twenty right now exactly, and right
Speaker 1: now that actually puts him second on I'm on the
Speaker 1: NFL's website, and right now the NFL has him second,
Speaker 1: tie for second. The guys ahead of him both NFC
Speaker 1: guys Back Martinez and Bobby Wagner, Jordan Bay Seattle, and
Speaker 1: then Jordan gets his tie with him one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: So there are guys in the NFC who have as many,
Speaker 1: if not more tackles than him, and you would probably
Speaker 1: argue that those guys are probably having better seasons as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: without some of the negative plays that he's had. One
Speaker 1: of those guys is going to need biceps surgery, and
Speaker 1: one of those guys is going to make it to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, etc. So and if Jalen gets the call,
Speaker 1: I mean he's in, oh for sure. Okay, one other
Speaker 1: guy real quick, Byron Jones, should Will you know what?
Speaker 1: I think? Byron is having a really nice season and
Speaker 1: it's not fair. But like he rode the momentum of
Speaker 1: that wind Street last year to the Pro Bowl, and
Speaker 1: it was like, well, look how well their defense is playing.
Speaker 1: And a big part of that is because this guy's
Speaker 1: locking down his side field and they're not even looking
Speaker 1: over there. But it doesn't feel as important when you're
Speaker 1: not winning games or playing well. And so like he
Speaker 1: was probably better last year, he was better last year,
Speaker 1: but he's still playing well. But it just kind of
Speaker 1: gets shoved aside when you're not winning games. It was
Speaker 1: like an alternative to me, do you think And then again,
Speaker 1: if somebody's hurt, somebody whatever, then maybe squeaks in. I
Speaker 1: just think there's a difference between like, well he doesn't
Speaker 1: have any picks, but look like he's locking it down
Speaker 1: for this number five defense for a team that's eleven
Speaker 1: and five. Did they go eleven and five last year
Speaker 1: or ten and ten and six? And they were the
Speaker 1: three seed in the playoffs, four seed, so four they
Speaker 1: were they were seen as like a hot team riding
Speaker 1: that way of going in the playoffs last year, and
Speaker 1: this year, if they make it at all, they'll just
Speaker 1: be limping in. And I think stuff like that matters.
Speaker 1: I agree. So basically, they're gonna probably have as me
Speaker 1: when this thing gets announced, they're probably gonna have as
Speaker 1: mini Pro Bowlers as wins. I've written that story before.
Speaker 1: Oh they had five wins at five Pro bowl I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll happen like that. It'll be very close to whatever
Speaker 1: their win total is. It to the Pro Bowls nine.
Speaker 1: We were at six to seven on this on this list,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be the same. It's gonna be right there.
Speaker 1: And there are guys that that because of their name recognition,
Speaker 1: could still make that jump to fair I know, he
Speaker 1: only has what four and a half five and a
Speaker 1: half sacks, but again, Tank could see the same thing
Speaker 1: happened for him, and he's been to the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: enough to kind of have the name recognition. Cam Jordan
Speaker 1: could be in the Super Bowl. The Neil Hunter could
Speaker 1: be in the Super Bowl. Like again, you kind of win. Know.
Speaker 1: Then the list gets narrowed down as guys drop out
Speaker 1: for various reasons. YEA, all right, we're gonna take our
Speaker 1: final break. We'll come back and we're gonna get into
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Speaker 1: confused on our scheduling on our breaks here. I guess
Speaker 1: pro Bowl took up a lot of the time there,
Speaker 1: a lot more than we thought. If my mentions are
Speaker 1: any indication of our listenership, they'd rather we talk about
Speaker 1: coaching searches than the RAMS defense. Anyway. I just don't
Speaker 1: think that's right with It's not the building, it's not that. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're absolutely right. Not right. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: if anybody's just chomping at the bit to hear this
Speaker 1: Rams defensive preview tweet me because I bet you don't exist,
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. But I am okay, you know what.
Speaker 1: And we're professionals, damn it. Yeah, and that we do
Speaker 1: our jobs no matter what exactly. We come to work.
Speaker 1: We bring our lunch pail every day. The Rams are
Speaker 1: good at defense and they've only gotten better since they
Speaker 1: traded for Jalen Ramsey. That'll make you better. Only time
Speaker 1: will tell if it was smart. Honestly, I still don't
Speaker 1: think it was because why they gave up two first
Speaker 1: round picks and they have not signed him yet. He's
Speaker 1: not obligated to stay with them. I mean they can
Speaker 1: tag him. But when's he up this year? Yes? Or
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen, eighteen nineteen, so he's got He's got an
Speaker 1: option year and left year. Yeah. So I got this
Speaker 1: year plus another year. Yeah. It's a lot to give
Speaker 1: up for a guy that you immediately have to pay,
Speaker 1: much like a Marii Cooper, but they gave up even
Speaker 1: more h and but he is right up there with
Speaker 1: the very best cornerbacks in the league. It's just scary
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are going to have to face this
Speaker 1: problem too. Once you start paying these guys, it's no
Speaker 1: longer like it's no longer a fun little luxury that
Speaker 1: you draft well. You have to like, you have to
Speaker 1: draft well once you start paying these contracts. So I'm
Speaker 1: fascinated to see how the Rams do it. But for now,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of talent on their defense. Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: you know all about him. Jalen Ramsey, you know all
Speaker 1: about him. Eric Weddle is there still a good player?
Speaker 1: Obviously training towards the downside of his career. They kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to overhype him as as
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith, but Dante Fowler they've kind of resurrected his career.
Speaker 1: They got him from Jacksonville as well. Disappointment of a
Speaker 1: top five pick, Clay Matthews, name after name after name.
Speaker 1: Obviously not all of them are on that level, Like
Speaker 1: Clay Matthews isn't who he was in Green Bay. And
Speaker 1: then a fun name that you probably remember from draft season,
Speaker 1: which is Taylor Rapp fund stat that I pulled off
Speaker 1: of Twitter. Taylor rap and Jalen Ramsey joined the starting
Speaker 1: lineup the same week Week seven. Since that happened, the
Speaker 1: Rams are allowing fifteen points per game, which is right
Speaker 1: up at the top of the league, and they're actually
Speaker 1: leading the sack leading the season, leading the league in
Speaker 1: sacks since then, They've got forty three on the season,
Speaker 1: thirty since Week seven, which is very good. And Ramsey
Speaker 1: is a huge part of that. Rap is a big
Speaker 1: part of that too. It's it's pretty classic Wade Phillips
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Like you've got you know, he loves
Speaker 1: cornerbacks that he can just stick out there. He won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with to leave and Chris Harris and
Speaker 1: Ramsey's right in that lane too. And actually Troy Hill,
Speaker 1: who's playing opposite Ramsey now that Marcus Peters has gone,
Speaker 1: he's doing his job really well too. And it allows
Speaker 1: the Rams to just kind of freelance. Donald is doing
Speaker 1: his thing and rap is really sorry, I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna but one more thing, rap Us, He's basically freelancing
Speaker 1: as a little bit of a Rover do everything guy.
Speaker 1: He's got forty tackles a pick, three tackles for the loss,
Speaker 1: and five pass breakups and he's only been starting since
Speaker 1: Week seven. Sounds like something that Cowboys could use. Oh
Speaker 1: no doubt. Well, I wanted to throw out two. You
Speaker 1: mentioned these two guys, Dante Fowler and Clay Matthews. Right now,
Speaker 1: I guess how many sacks those two guys have. Just
Speaker 1: take a wild guess. Honestly, I don't even know off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. Nine and eight. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, yeah, and you got Aaron Donald to
Speaker 1: deal with in the middle. If you want any they
Speaker 1: get after the quarter. If you want some basic math,
Speaker 1: they're averaging four sacks per game since Ramsey came on board.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to overstate it, but when you
Speaker 1: have a guy that can take away the field like that,
Speaker 1: it frees everybody's responsibilities up. So they have three guys
Speaker 1: over eight eleven, nine, eight? Is that they're Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what he has eleven, okay, Yeah, so they
Speaker 1: have nine and eight. Fouler has nine, Clay Matthews has eight.
Speaker 1: That's the top three. Yeah, cowboys have nine and a
Speaker 1: half five and four. Yeah, that's incredible, like Donald, that's
Speaker 1: down production for Donald and that's more than but but
Speaker 1: he gets double of course, that's exactly right. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks very it looks very similar to what we saw
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Like technically I mean it's a three
Speaker 1: or four defense, but that's misleading because you know they
Speaker 1: can They'll put as many as five guys on the
Speaker 1: line like Brockers, Donald and then their nose tackle um
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Sebastian Joseph Day. Like they're
Speaker 1: down all the time, but then Foller will come up
Speaker 1: to the line, Matthews will come up to the line.
Speaker 1: So it's very amba like Rap plays down with the
Speaker 1: linebackers a lot. So it's it's very multiple, which I
Speaker 1: mean that that sounds like Wade Phillips to me. It's
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know, Garrett Garrett said it
Speaker 1: this morning. He was like, you know, they don't they
Speaker 1: haven't really changed what they're doing. They're just doing it
Speaker 1: at a much higher level. With Jalen Ramsey, um, he
Speaker 1: you know, I would assume he's going to follow Cooper
Speaker 1: a decent amount. It seems like they had him follow
Speaker 1: Dk metcalf a lot last week. I'm concerned argue that
Speaker 1: that Amari will have to deal with Jaylen because I
Speaker 1: think back to the Science Game, and I think part
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Cowboys, maybe a big part
Speaker 1: of the reasons why the Cowboys offensively really couldn't get
Speaker 1: anything going was because of Mari was basically taken out
Speaker 1: of that game. And I think Jayalen has the same ability.
Speaker 1: Jayalen Ramsey has the same ability. How much you guys
Speaker 1: are concerned that that will happen, and it will. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't really shown a propensity when they don't get
Speaker 1: him involved, they haven't shown a propensity to be as
Speaker 1: good offensively. I think you know, that caller called us
Speaker 1: yesterday about like just getting the ball to Amri, and
Speaker 1: I think we sort of disagreed with him. But this
Speaker 1: is a game where making him a priority could pay
Speaker 1: off because and obviously Jayalen Ramsey's super good. But DK
Speaker 1: Metcalf had six catches for eighty yards in this game.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is like, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: he's not going to the house, he's not burning you deep.
Speaker 1: But I think Ramsey's willing to give that stuff up.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you can run your ten yard
Speaker 1: curls all day, I'm not going to give up the
Speaker 1: big play on you. Like again, Metcalf had a decent day,
Speaker 1: but he didn't kill the Rams defense. And I think
Speaker 1: I think there's some willingness to give there just like
Speaker 1: you know, make you make your twelve yard games all
Speaker 1: you want, but I'm not gonna let you kill me.
Speaker 1: And so but if you make it a concerted effort
Speaker 1: to get Amari the ball, maybe by a pure volume
Speaker 1: you can make a difference. But what does concern me
Speaker 1: about that scenario is Ramsey's the kind of guy that'll
Speaker 1: make you pay if you make a mistake. And if
Speaker 1: Dak isn't pinpoint accurate, I'm talking he's off just debor
Speaker 1: on time. Those those times this year when we've seen
Speaker 1: him make a throw where the defender had hit his
Speaker 1: hands and drop fell down, it ain't Ramsey. If it
Speaker 1: is his hand, it's probably going the other way and
Speaker 1: there's a chance it might go to the house. So
Speaker 1: he's that kind of athlete and that kind of cornerback.
Speaker 1: That's the part that concerns me a little bit of
Speaker 1: the combination of both. He's going to begin pressure the
Speaker 1: whole all throughout the game, right with all those defensive guys,
Speaker 1: So at him feeling that kind of pressure and then
Speaker 1: him being able to throw precise I just don't see
Speaker 1: this going down very well. I don't know it definitely
Speaker 1: that definitely concerns me. I think if I had to
Speaker 1: rank all the concerns that you could have going into
Speaker 1: this game, that probably right up there is maybe my
Speaker 1: top concern going into this game for the Cowboys. A
Speaker 1: lethal combination, you know, of the two of just like
Speaker 1: she said, the Donald and those guys up there, because
Speaker 1: you gotta get the ball out quick. And Jalen Ramsey's
Speaker 1: good enough where he's not gonna get beat quick, so
Speaker 1: he's gonna be right there. And so it's gonna take
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper running some great routes and they have to
Speaker 1: scheme some guys open. Dak's accuracy, but his timing too,
Speaker 1: like there have been so many instances where he found
Speaker 1: a guy late and that enabled the cornerback to break
Speaker 1: up the ball, etc. You know, he's he's gotten away
Speaker 1: with a few potential interceptions and you can't count on
Speaker 1: getting away with it against Ramsey. So it's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be precise on timing and accuracy. And we know
Speaker 1: this Rams defense can stop the run. Actually, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about the Pro Bowl, Corey Littleton, who is like
Speaker 1: not a household name by any stretch. He's right up
Speaker 1: there at the top of the league in terms of
Speaker 1: tackles as well. He's got like one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: and like I mean, Taylor Rapp, the solidness of the
Speaker 1: coverage on the outside, like he's freelances and he had
Speaker 1: a great play from him last week where he just
Speaker 1: basically diagnosed to play before he got going shot through
Speaker 1: the gap and got the guy at tackle. Four losses.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff you don't regularly see from
Speaker 1: the safeties here. I hate to knee jerk, and you know,
Speaker 1: draft picks are about multiple years, but Taylor Rapp and
Speaker 1: one Thornhill are both kicking ass and it's a bummer
Speaker 1: to watch. One of the things that can certainly help
Speaker 1: you against a defense like this that seems to be
Speaker 1: very aggressive, especially getting after the rush the passer is
Speaker 1: misdirection screened, those kinds of things. How much do you
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys will be willing to do those Because
Speaker 1: we've seen him in some games have a little bit
Speaker 1: of success. They haven't had the same sustained success doing
Speaker 1: those kinds of things, but to me, it's because they
Speaker 1: don't really stick to it. You think that they could
Speaker 1: maybe stick to keeping them off balance by doing a
Speaker 1: lot of those things to take advantage of an overaggressive defense. Well,
Speaker 1: they keep saying this is under their control, They control
Speaker 1: the situation, they control their own destiny, and they're still
Speaker 1: writing this story. So I guess it's up to them
Speaker 1: to really think, are they really willing to switch things
Speaker 1: around at this point of the season or are you
Speaker 1: going to stick to what you've been doing and clearly
Speaker 1: not working. So it is up to them to where
Speaker 1: do they want to go, what do they want to do?
Speaker 1: But I don't the Cowboys see when we talk about
Speaker 1: the pressure that Dak is going to be feeling, that
Speaker 1: is the kind of quarterback that he can't get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball that quickly. It takes him time to
Speaker 1: digest what is going on on the field, maybe not
Speaker 1: because of his own doing, but guys maybe trying to
Speaker 1: get where they need to. What do you think it's
Speaker 1: he can't or do you think he doesn't because I'll
Speaker 1: make the argument I think in a lot of instances,
Speaker 1: Dak is his own worst enemy in that regard. Not
Speaker 1: because he's processing it's taking too long process. I think
Speaker 1: sometimes he is waiting. He is waiting for something to
Speaker 1: come open, rather than taking what's available to him and
Speaker 1: that gets him into trouble. Yeah, well either way, it
Speaker 1: still gives you the same result, which is it's not
Speaker 1: it just it takes him way too long. So I
Speaker 1: think that if they add different elements that allows him
Speaker 1: to make throws short throws, not loan throws, and find
Speaker 1: those guys closer and just take it little by little
Speaker 1: and then slowly get into the end zone. I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna help the Cowboys big time and hopefully allow
Speaker 1: the mistakes and lower down the mistakes and not allow
Speaker 1: him to throw those kinds of interceptions or get the
Speaker 1: ball away and like Zeke and when they him be
Speaker 1: dropping the ball creating those kind of mistakes that we've
Speaker 1: seen him before. Because the Rams they're gonna take advantage
Speaker 1: of it. They're gonna get that ball and get it back.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how the Cowboys managed to
Speaker 1: come up with different types of plays to help him
Speaker 1: them in this game. Well, we will see a real
Speaker 1: quick which shouts out to Derek who threw this at
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, which massive oversight Lyle Collins I think
Speaker 1: deserves to make the Pro Bowl. Wow, I'm missing I
Speaker 1: didn't even about that. I think that's an interesting It
Speaker 1: goes back to our point though, is it's hard to
Speaker 1: make the Pro Bowl for the first time, like you
Speaker 1: gotta get think you gotta get there the first time,
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of snowballs. And I remember
Speaker 1: we had that conversation with Dez, we had it with Tyrn.
Speaker 1: It sounds stupid in retrospect, but at one point it
Speaker 1: was like, is he gonna make it this year? Like
Speaker 1: he's played really well. I wonder, like, I hope this
Speaker 1: is the year for Lyle, Like I mean he should
Speaker 1: if somebody the best of everybody on the offensive line,
Speaker 1: he's right among the whole offense. I think he's had
Speaker 1: the best season. And yeah, that would I mean, again,
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl doesn't mean what it used to maybe,
Speaker 1: but that would be cool for him. Definitely. Go Tigers.
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate you guys joining us. We are back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap this thing up for you and let
Speaker 1: you know who we think is. I'm not sure your
Speaker 1: Mike's working, to be honest with you, all right, is
Speaker 1: it there? You go? Okay, we're gonna be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell you what we think as far as
Speaker 1: who's gonna win this game on Sunday until then for
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