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<v Speaker 1>I get everybody on dan Hoard and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals Booth podcast The Room where It Happens. Addition,

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<v Speaker 1>as we get stories from inside the Bengals draft room

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<v Speaker 1>from a guy who is there for sixteen years, former

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis. The Bengals Booth Podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>every year is Dave Lapham and I take one last

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<v Speaker 1>look at this year's draft class before predicting who the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals are going to pick. But on this episode, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking Bengals history with a guy who spent sixteen years

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<v Speaker 1>in the room where it happens. The NFL Draft is

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<v Speaker 1>a week away, and it is a treat to welcome

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<v Speaker 1>in a man who played a big role in selecting

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<v Speaker 1>some of the best players in Bengals history, Carson Palmer,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Whitworth, Gino Atkins, AJ Green, Andy Dalton, and many others.

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<v Speaker 1>The winningest coach in Bengals history, Marvin Lewis coach. When

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<v Speaker 1>you hear some of those names, do you instantly go

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<v Speaker 1>back to some draft day memories?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dan, that you instantly made me smile. There, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great draft day memories, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're hoping that the people that we identified it

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<v Speaker 2>would really help us are there when it's our turn

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<v Speaker 2>to pick. And I think that's the best part of

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<v Speaker 2>the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>You were in a lot of draft weekend war rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you miss it next week?

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<v Speaker 2>I was out of it, and then they drug me

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<v Speaker 2>back in. In fact, the funniest thing is literally one

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<v Speaker 2>of my first experiences here when I wasn't involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the draft is getting the text messages from gms about hey,

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<v Speaker 2>should I pick this guy now? And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>gms I missed the text message, and now they were

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<v Speaker 2>in the sixth round. I said, no question the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>round about a ASU player, and you know, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be good. It was great to be in it

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<v Speaker 2>last year again, and particularly with the exposure I had

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<v Speaker 2>to all the quarterbacks out of the PAC twelve. They

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<v Speaker 2>went in the first round and have been have been

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<v Speaker 2>very significant for their teams. I believed in all three

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys. I thought they would be good players.

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<v Speaker 2>I also had exposure to Spencer Ratler from high school.

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<v Speaker 2>This year, Jackson Dark I was the first person that

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<v Speaker 2>offered Jackson Dart a scholarship literally and so it'll be cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, No, I'll be all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were there with Vegas last year, obviously with

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals for more than a decade in the draft room.

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<v Speaker 1>What about prior to that with Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you in draft rooms there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I was very fortunate that, you know, really, when

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<v Speaker 2>I started in ninety two with the Steelers with Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Kawer and Tom Donaho and the Rooney family, that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we were in the room. And then later on as

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<v Speaker 2>I went on to Baltimore, I was in the room

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<v Speaker 2>as the coordinator and so forth. And in Washington, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was always involved and I really owe it to

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<v Speaker 2>them for them to be including me in that was

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<v Speaker 2>great to help me in the process as I became

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<v Speaker 2>the head coach of the Bengals because I had been

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<v Speaker 2>included in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>So Marvin Bengals coaches have a big voice in the

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<v Speaker 1>draft process in Cincinnati. Was that always the case when

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<v Speaker 1>you got there or did that evolve during your sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>years as the head coach.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think it's been the case. It's how I

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<v Speaker 2>think Paul Brown and then later Mike Stahl, Mike all

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<v Speaker 2>the draft going that they wanted the involvement of the coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>We probably actually backed off a lot when I took

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<v Speaker 2>over because it would be more than double the scouting staff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as time went on with do Tobin taking

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<v Speaker 2>over and doing such a great job with it, but

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<v Speaker 2>we added his father, Bill, two or three other scouts

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<v Speaker 2>right away when I got the job, So we kind

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<v Speaker 2>of took the coaches out of it and just tried

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<v Speaker 2>to focus them on areas where we felt like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we would take a player at that position, or a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that maybe was an underclassman or somebody that had

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<v Speaker 2>some issues coming out, and we tried to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>those guys with the coaches more.

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<v Speaker 1>Even so, your very first pick, number one overall was

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<v Speaker 1>Carson Palmer. I assume it was a no brainer. The

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<v Speaker 1>next quarterback taken that year was Byron left Which what

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<v Speaker 1>stands out to you, Marvin about the pre draft process

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<v Speaker 1>with Carson Palmer was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really really cool. That was you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>I got the job, I'm sitting in the stands with

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<v Speaker 2>the Brown family, Mike, Troy, Katie and ABPB was there,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember, but and it's the Senior Bowl and

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<v Speaker 2>Carson's playing in the Senior Bowl, and I have no

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<v Speaker 2>idea of anything about Carson Palmer, but I'm literally sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there with them. I think they had already offered me

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<v Speaker 2>the job, but I had not accepted the job. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was sitting there in practice and Mike was just

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<v Speaker 2>doing and all over Carson and it was great. And

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<v Speaker 2>then getting to know Carson through the process going to

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<v Speaker 2>sc for pro day. Later on, we went back to California,

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<v Speaker 2>had a private workout with him which was just off

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<v Speaker 2>the charts, and we brought him to Cincinnati the two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks prior to the draft because we had a mini

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<v Speaker 2>camp to look for me to look at the current team,

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<v Speaker 2>and Carson was there. Byron Left, which had already been

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<v Speaker 2>in Cincinnati, we had Carson and Terrence Newman in town

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<v Speaker 2>for that weekend of our mini camp, and then walking

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<v Speaker 2>back across the street from practice on Saturday morning, I

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<v Speaker 2>was walking with Carson and I told him you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be our first pick, and I said, you

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<v Speaker 2>and I are going to be joined to here. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was an exciting time. And obviously everything worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>We're able to get him signed right fire to the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was great, you know, and he never disappointed

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<v Speaker 2>with what I told before his ability was just incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody loves quarterbacks more than Mike, and I think to

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<v Speaker 1>this day from talking to him, he believes Carson through

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<v Speaker 1>the prettiest ball of any of the great Bengals quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>So was it the same for you.

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<v Speaker 2>No question about it. I used to Dan. I used

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<v Speaker 2>to stand on the sideline prior to the games and

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<v Speaker 2>the officials who would be doing their little warm ups

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<v Speaker 2>where they're running up back and forth, shuffling down the sideline,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would stand there in the white while Carson

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<v Speaker 2>was throwing speed cutouts to our wide receivers and I

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<v Speaker 2>never moved. And one of the officials said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I do your games. I've done your games. You're always

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<v Speaker 2>standing here. He's throwing the ball and you never move.

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<v Speaker 2>I know he never missed it. It's just boom. It's

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<v Speaker 2>right there on the receiver's eyes. Every single time. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to move out of the way. They catch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Boom to step, boom, and it's that. And when Carson

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<v Speaker 2>got hurt in the spring of two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 2>and we brought in quarterbacks to work out and have

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<v Speaker 2>them throw for us, and I just would be standing there,

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<v Speaker 2>just shaking my head because there was just no comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had been starting quarterbacks in the National Football League.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't play him as rookie year. The Chiefs basically

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<v Speaker 1>did the same thing a few years ago with Patrick Mahomes.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is the exception. Nowadays, most of the time

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<v Speaker 1>guys drafted high play right away. If you were doing

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<v Speaker 1>it again, would you do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, probably not. But I do know that when I

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<v Speaker 2>got the job, I had many of the veteran players

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<v Speaker 2>come into my office and say, we don't need a Martin.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need a quarterback. We've got we've got kids,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need a quarterback because they had lived through

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<v Speaker 2>playing with a young quarterback and they really felt like

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<v Speaker 2>it was the franchise needed to win. They needed to

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<v Speaker 2>win as players because they know their their lifespan in

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<v Speaker 2>the National Football League's not very long. And but boy,

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you what, every day and Carson they practiced.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Carson's just turned heads and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so we even added I added a period on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>or Thursday and Friday for Carson every week for him

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<v Speaker 2>to be you know, he he was. He was prepared

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<v Speaker 2>as a starting quarterback every week. Ken Zampasy, Barbara Counsel

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<v Speaker 2>did a great job always preparing him as the starting quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>and and John Kitt how to be an NFL quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>and be the leader of the team, which was great.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a great mental in John, and but we

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<v Speaker 2>added a period where he was against pressure from the

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<v Speaker 2>opponents and it was five plays each day and he

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<v Speaker 2>had to go in and operate because I read an

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<v Speaker 2>article that Dan Reeves started doing that with Michael Vick

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<v Speaker 2>when he was a rookie, just to help him get

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<v Speaker 2>prepared for when he would be the guy. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it was very beneficial for Carson. And but he just

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<v Speaker 2>followed us every single day.

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<v Speaker 1>And you did accomplish your objective with the team. You

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<v Speaker 1>went five hundred, but you were in playoff contention until

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<v Speaker 1>the final weeks of the season. It did flip the

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<v Speaker 1>narrative for the Bengals ability to contend going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really did. The guys believed, you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>believed in Kit and that was great, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>able to rally the troops and you know, but we

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<v Speaker 2>were playing the Bills up there, and I remember there

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<v Speaker 2>was a pressure team and Kit knew where it was

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<v Speaker 2>coming and he hang on, and he held onto the

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<v Speaker 2>ball for as long as he could and hit Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Board with a big post and then he got down

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<v Speaker 2>and the blitzer slid right over. And I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Carson would have been dead from that day. We did

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<v Speaker 2>that period because I you know, we wanted to prepare him.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that was great. And then literally I remember

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<v Speaker 2>January February whatever and called both those guys in Carson

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<v Speaker 2>and John and said, Carson and juwe ball, now take

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<v Speaker 2>care of it. And the rest was history.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's hit on some other draft success stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Whitworth's fifty fifth pick in two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna wind up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you have any idea what you were getting on

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<v Speaker 1>and off the field in Big wid Dahn.

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<v Speaker 2>No question we did. I remember what he was wearing

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<v Speaker 2>when we interviewed him in Indy. He had on a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful white polo button down shirt call or. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he looked like a million bucks. And after he left

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<v Speaker 2>the room, I said to Paul Alexander, I said, Paul,

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<v Speaker 2>if we're fortunate enough to draft him, we won't. I

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<v Speaker 2>won't need you. And then boy, he again never disappointed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just you know what a great player, person, teammate,

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<v Speaker 2>mentor an extension of us as coaches Wit and Domitow Peko,

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<v Speaker 2>but particularly with Brent, brought our team through the lockout

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<v Speaker 2>and made it stronger. And I remember him calling me

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<v Speaker 2>when the lockout was over and he said, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to give this back to you because he was

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with all the issues the players had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from insurance and all those other things they had to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with during that period of time. But Andrew was

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<v Speaker 2>the best, you know, as Carson moved on and we draft,

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<v Speaker 2>we're fortunate enough to draft Andy. He was a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great caddy for Andy and mentor and you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he passed it on Andy, Sandy, it's your time

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<v Speaker 2>now to be the leader.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned Domata Peco. That's the same draft as Andrew Whitworth.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the odds of getting your offensive heart beat

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of leadership and the same thing on the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive end in the same draft. It's pretty extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think I want to say, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was another player with John Joseph also.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the first pick in that draft.

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<v Speaker 2>YEP, that those guys set a record for the most

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<v Speaker 2>games played in the National Football League out of a

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<v Speaker 2>draft class. I remember, I think there was an article

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<v Speaker 2>written by somebody a few years ago. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who the third round pick was that year, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know Domita was four. Obviously, with too we had

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<v Speaker 2>the running back Kenny Irons was also a second who

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<v Speaker 2>got hurt with the ACL injury. But I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>who the third round pick was, but there and I

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<v Speaker 2>think maybe it was one other guy, but they set

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<v Speaker 2>a record who were games in the National Football League

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<v Speaker 2>out of one draft round by one team?

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<v Speaker 1>Twoy ten. Your fourth pick, number one twenty overall was

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<v Speaker 1>Gino Atkins, who went on to play in eight Pro Bowls.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you recall if anybody in particular was quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>standing on the table and really trying to make the

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<v Speaker 1>case for Gino.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Zim and I both did. We literally had identified

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<v Speaker 2>Gino as other than we knew Sue and the kid

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<v Speaker 2>from Oklahoma were going to go at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the draft in the first round, and we thought Gino

0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.040
<v Speaker 2>was going to be as good or better path rusher

0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.800
<v Speaker 2>inside path rusher as those two guys, and so we

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<v Speaker 2>we were so excited when he was there and we

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<v Speaker 2>picked him in the fourth round. You know, Gino's personality

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<v Speaker 2>of being so quiet and you know, but just you know,

0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.280
<v Speaker 2>we brought him on as a rookie. He started playing

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<v Speaker 2>on third down in twenty ten and then became the

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<v Speaker 2>full start starter in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>You must have been rolling the dice a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>that he would be there in round four if you

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<v Speaker 1>felt that highly about him as an interior pass rusher.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there was some you know, for whatever reason, there

0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:37.040
<v Speaker 2>were some negative thoughts about Geno coming out and obviously

0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:44.000
<v Speaker 2>his stature people doubted question that also, but you know, literally,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, obviously Aaron Donald had a tremendous career,

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<v Speaker 2>but Aaron you know, was probably just maybe a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more explosive obviously, but but but you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he began to he he changed how people looked at

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<v Speaker 2>defensive tackle and uh, you know, and and and that's

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<v Speaker 2>great and we were so so fortunate to have him.

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<v Speaker 2>We also drafted Carlos dun Left in the second round

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<v Speaker 2>that year, so uh, you know, we got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of production out of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>What was coach Zimmer like in the draft room when

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<v Speaker 1>there was a guy on the board that he really really.

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<v Speaker 2>Won patients, you know, and you know, we all come

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<v Speaker 2>from different backgrounds. Zim basically had spent most of his

0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:36.800
<v Speaker 2>NFL career with the Cowboys prior to that, and uh,

0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, so he was used to people how they

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<v Speaker 2>did it differently, and uh, you know it spent one

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<v Speaker 2>year in Atlanta. So but you know, the thing about

0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.960
<v Speaker 2>it is, and I told our coaches just you know,

0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.720
<v Speaker 2>they were fortunate that Mike wanted to hear their opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>And so just be right, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>because when we put our when we put our ticket

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<v Speaker 2>on one of these guys, he's odd, and so let's go,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go make him the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember coach Gunther coming out of draft rooms muttering

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<v Speaker 1>anytime a high pick was used on an offensive player

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<v Speaker 1>instead of somebody that could help his side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no question about it. No. No. It's funny though,

0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.520
<v Speaker 2>because when I started in Pittsburgh in ninety two, you know,

0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I was out of the Bill Kawer. I was the

0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.160
<v Speaker 2>youngest coach on the staff, and none of those guys

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<v Speaker 2>wanted a high pick because they knew they had to

0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:34.520
<v Speaker 2>getting ready to play. But it's great when the coaches

0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.080
<v Speaker 2>do want to want to get a guy that they

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<v Speaker 2>think will help them improve on their side of the football.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's great, you know, but not everybody can have

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<v Speaker 2>every every round pick. You know, we got to build

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<v Speaker 2>the entire football team.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure in your sixteen years there were guys that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily your choice. And I'm not going to ask

0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you to name names. But when that was the case,

0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.280
<v Speaker 1>was it difficult to be the person that then had

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<v Speaker 1>to go in front of the cameras and and sell

0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the wisdom of that choice.

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<v Speaker 2>No, damn believe it or not. And I think we

0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.880
<v Speaker 2>got to this early the fact that the pick wasn't mine, Mike's,

0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.560
<v Speaker 2>it was the Bangles pick. And I think that was

0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.560
<v Speaker 2>really important. I know that when I when I got

0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the job, that was important to Mike that we stayed

0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.600
<v Speaker 2>unified and uh. And it was my I took it

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<v Speaker 2>on as my responsibility too, for all of us to

0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.960
<v Speaker 2>be involved and convince everybody why or why not? And uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we made some errors and some mistakes,

0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.439
<v Speaker 2>and but what we always learned from them. You know,

0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I think one you know, taking a cornerback that didn't

0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.600
<v Speaker 2>quite have the foot speed to do what we needed

0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 2>to do. You know, what we're looking for the next year,

0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:51.880
<v Speaker 2>a cornerback that could do what we're looking for him

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And so we learned from sometimes when we

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.359
<v Speaker 2>maybe reached a little bit and uh, you know, and

0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.600
<v Speaker 2>those were good thing. So and that's the process is

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<v Speaker 2>You're not always going to be right. It's not one

0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:09.080
<v Speaker 2>pick or one person's choice. It was it was basically

0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.920
<v Speaker 2>for the most part of group effort that way. And

0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.359
<v Speaker 2>we respected that process and I thought we we we

0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.800
<v Speaker 2>got good at that process. And Duke took it over

0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.000
<v Speaker 2>and managed that process, which was great.

0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.160
<v Speaker 1>What's Duke's strength as a draft guru.

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<v Speaker 2>I think not getting swayed by popularity. You know that

0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:36.399
<v Speaker 2>he lets the the video and the physical characteristics do

0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:41.439
<v Speaker 2>the work. And the fact that we dove into the person.

0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.879
<v Speaker 2>You know, the thing about the draft and the National

0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Football League is and you can open up the hood.

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<v Speaker 2>And we made sure we tried to open up the

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<v Speaker 2>hood as much as we could. And uh, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that part of the process, you know, Duke

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<v Speaker 2>and I would start we would talk about that before

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<v Speaker 2>we were go over to Indy because I had no

0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.119
<v Speaker 2>idea who these guys were, and he would give me

0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.280
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a preview myself personally, and then

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.960
<v Speaker 2>we would preview the coaches on guys and so forth,

0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.080
<v Speaker 2>and who the targets that we really wanted to know

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.440
<v Speaker 2>more about them, their personality. Was this a guy that

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 2>was a good fit for us personality wise, and then

0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.679
<v Speaker 2>just convincing everybody in the process, there's a lot of

0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.680
<v Speaker 2>good players. If this guy doesn't fit the mold, let's

0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:30.880
<v Speaker 2>move on to the next guy that does. Even if

0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.679
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't, maybe a great fit for the positions. It

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.400
<v Speaker 2>makes our football team stronger. And I think Mike allowing

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:42.439
<v Speaker 2>that to happen was huge, you know that, you know,

0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.560
<v Speaker 2>we didn't have to go with a popular pick. We

0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 2>went with the one that fit us.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds like those personal visits, whether it was

0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.320
<v Speaker 1>at the combine or back in Cincinnati, were really important to.

0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.399
<v Speaker 2>You, yes, or going out on campus, you know, to

0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.359
<v Speaker 2>the to the players campus, taking that player to dinner,

0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:04.280
<v Speaker 2>spending time my greatest thing. And because I got put

0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.119
<v Speaker 2>on the competition com many by Missioner Tagliabu and six,

0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to get out to as many pro

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<v Speaker 2>days until the lockout team and then I realized what

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I was missing, and so I was able to start

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.919
<v Speaker 2>going to selected workout and being a fly on the

0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:30.679
<v Speaker 2>wall and watching how the player was interacting with his teammates,

0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.360
<v Speaker 2>the respect his teammates had for that player, and how

0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.680
<v Speaker 2>the respect he had for his teammates, and it was

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:41.160
<v Speaker 2>that guy a good fit and that was the thing.

0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.680
<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you a quick story. When we went

0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:49.159
<v Speaker 2>to work out Cam Newton, great physical talent, we couldn't

0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>get a receiver to catch for him. We went to

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Florida State or we worked out Ponder and he was

0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 2>at home in Dallas. So we were able to get

0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the kids from SMU to help catch and do that.

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 2>We go to Saint Louis and to Missouri to work

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.200
<v Speaker 2>out Gabbert and we got a flying coaches to catch.

0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:13.400
<v Speaker 2>We go to TCU, the entire football team is there

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 2>as part of the process with Andy Dalton, and that

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 2>that that said a lot about what Andy Dalton meant

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:27.399
<v Speaker 2>to its teammates. And you know that that was a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>This reminds me of the movie Draft Day where the

0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:35.119
<v Speaker 1>players didn't show up for the top prospects birthday party,

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.159
<v Speaker 1>and Kevin Costner remembered that so things like that do

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:40.960
<v Speaker 1>happen that that makes an impression.

0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:46.760
<v Speaker 2>It makes an impression. That morning, you know, literally I

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.280
<v Speaker 2>think we had I can't remember who was in town,

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:53.520
<v Speaker 2>but I flew into dall on good Friday morning early.

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:55.919
<v Speaker 2>When I got on the plane, there was the USA

0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Today on my chair and I read the article. In

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 2>the article it said the team that's fortunate enough to

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.400
<v Speaker 2>draft AJ Green and Andy Dalton will be the big

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 2>winners in the draft. When I landed in Dallas, I

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 2>drove over to the campus and I met the coaches

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.400
<v Speaker 2>for breakfast. They had taken Andy to dinner the night

0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:15.400
<v Speaker 2>before and met.

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:20.240
<v Speaker 3>With the and they're like, man, I've been talking to nobody,

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 3>but we literally held our breath and we were able

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 3>to draft Andy AJ obviously at number four, and then

0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 3>later Andy Dalton.

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it sprung us forward again, which was great.

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.240
<v Speaker 1>So other than Carson, AJ was your only other top

0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.439
<v Speaker 1>five pick, because you mentioned number four. Overall, that twenty

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>eleven draft is considered one of the all time great drafts.

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:51.199
<v Speaker 1>JJ Watt, von Miller, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones. You mentioned

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Cam Newton, who took the Panthers to the Super Bowl

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>twelve of the top sixteen picks in that draft were

0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Pro bowlers. What tipped the scales in favor of A. J.

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Green just the way he carried himself, you know, A

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Julio Patrick Peterson I had met, We met with them all.

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I think the META had Julio in town

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 2>before I went to meet with Andy, and Cam had

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 2>been there the day before, and uh, and then I

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.840
<v Speaker 2>met with Patrick Peterson in the airport after I came

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 2>back from Dallas of being with Andy and Ponder and uh,

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 2>we literally met with him in the uh in the

0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:39.919
<v Speaker 2>airport lounge there at CBG, so when he was on

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 2>his way flying to his next stop. So, yeah, we

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 2>were excited. Uh. You know, at that number four slot,

0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>we would have picked we wanted obviously our AJ, but

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.920
<v Speaker 2>we would have picked vond had uh, you know, had

0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>AJ been gone. You know, that was the decision of

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Von Miller and AJ Green, and then the Cincinnati Bengals

0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 2>would have been a three to four defense in Von Miller.

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, then we knew what we had to do

0:25:08.720 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 2>then was prepared to make the switch so that we

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.640
<v Speaker 2>could you know, really maximize Von's ability.

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't go wrong either way.

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 2>No, that's exactly right. And then Patrick Peterson was our

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 2>fallback guy if we had to move back in the draft,

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and if if Cam was there, we were going to

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:30.359
<v Speaker 2>pick Cam. And Jay Gruden was prepared to build the

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Cam Newton offense. So, you know, that's the thing. I think,

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 2>the involvement of our coaches, our coordinators. I was so

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 2>fortunate to have guys that were so invested in that

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 2>like that.

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>So a bunch of quarterbacks and you you mentioned several

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 1>of them were taken before Andy in that twenty eleven drafting.

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>You took him in the second round. What was it

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 1>about Andy? I know Jay Gruden was really high on him.

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Why did you guys think that this guy would be

0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 1>ready from day one?

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:04.640
<v Speaker 2>He never knew to throw. I literally, I was watching

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:10.439
<v Speaker 2>this guy from TCU and I go into Jay's office.

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>I said, this quarterback from TCU never miss it. I say,

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.680
<v Speaker 2>have you looked at it? And yeah, he's my favorite

0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.439
<v Speaker 2>and he goes he was on the other team that

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 2>you coached at the Senior Bowl. And I didn't even

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 2>realize that, you know, I said, it's awesome. We just

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 2>held our breath. We sent the quarterbacks a little book

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>before they came to visit us a little like playbook

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that Jay had put together. Andy came in and had

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 2>some type bears when he brought it into visit with us.

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>You know this right here, and and that was so

0:26:55.000 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 2>so impressive, you know, you know, but we we literally

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>held our breath, we did we uh uh? Later on,

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Bill Polly and told me, he said, you know, he did.

0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 2>They didn't know that the injury that Peyton Nanny had

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 2>to his neck was going to be so severe, and

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 2>they ended up picking the offen tackle Costanza instead of Andy.

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 2>And he said to me one time, he said, you know,

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>we just I just didn't know Peyton's injury was as

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 2>severe as it was. And you know, we would have

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>picked Andy Dalton. That was the guy that they had

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 2>targeted also, and you know, Carl Kaepernick went the very

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>next pick. Colin had Colin at the Senior Bowl and

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>he and Locker at the Senior Bowl where the quarterbacks

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 2>we had on a squad.

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Out of all of those quarterbacks, take it in that draft.

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Andy's had the longest career, and you know, you can

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>make the case the most successful. Cam had a great run,

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>but it didn't last nearly as long. And Andy's still

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>going strong.

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 2>If you look at Andy's numbers, really incredible in comparison

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>to the guys that have earned Hall of Fame quarterback.

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 2>The thinging about it, I will tell you that I

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>had a you know, last year, We're getting ready to

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 2>play the Carolina Panthers and on Tuesday morning they announced

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Andy Dalkins at starting quarterback and I just get a

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>sick feeling in my stomach because I know what we're

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 2>in for. I know that he's going to be prepared.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I know he's going to know where every pressure is

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 2>coming from, the looks and everything, and he's going to

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>be able to get ready with football. And we had

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:34.239
<v Speaker 2>to play an outstanding game and we didn't and they

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 2>beat us.

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Coming up next with coach Lewis, I'll look back at

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and five draft. One that could have

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>gone down is among the best in team history if

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>not for a misfortune and tragedy. But first, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals. Marvin, you had some great drafts in Cincinnati.

0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Of any in Bengals history, this is the one that

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>might go down and probably does go down as the

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>most heartbreaking. You took David Pollock in round one, he

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>played one year before his neck injury. He took Odell

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Thurman in round two. He had the best rookie year

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>of any defensive player in franchise history, and then he

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>never played again because of off the field issues. And

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>then in round three it took Chris Henry, who was

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>terrific for four and a half seasons and obviously was

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the most tragic story of all as he passed away

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 1>at the age of twenty six. How much different is

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Bengals history if those players had long careers, no.

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 2>Question about it. David Pollack again, pold your breath moment

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>brought him to Cincinnati the end of the process. Biggest

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Jim Ratt had man named at Georgia when he was

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a young player and watched him after its freshman season.

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Just incredible. He was going to be our Carson Palmer

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>of the defense, and you know, had brought Kevin Green

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 2>to training campus with Kevin their jersey there to help

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>mentor David, and David wasn't signing. Kevin had to leave. Literally,

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Kevin drove the Cincinnati from Canton after being inducted in

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 2>the Pro Football Hall of Fame to be there with

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>David Pollock. How about that? And you know, and David

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>was unsigny, so Kevin came and gone before David got

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 2>the camp.

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Got to say hi, but not doing anything.

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>But you know, just incredible, O'Dell, Just what a fine,

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 2>fine player could have been a starting half back in

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the National Football League. That's the kind of athlete. Ose

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>y'all was. Smarter a whip, took up got football. I

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>said to Mike Brown after the first practice of rookie camp,

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>He's just like Reddy Lewis. And literally seven years later

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 2>I said that again after the first day minicamp about

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Oneteed perfect.

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>He's just like Ray and in what ways.

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Instinctive, never wasted a step, smart as a whip, picked

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>up football like that made people around them better so sudden,

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 2>and when they hit you, it's like getting hit by

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>cinder block. You know, so just incredible. I did my

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>last season going to Georgia for the pro day. I

0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>was at Georgia. Somebody came up from behind me and

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>hugged me, and I turned around and it was Odell

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and I had the biggest smile on my face. I

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 2>was so glad that he was there doing well. Coach

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Rick took care of him. Kirby has taken care of

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 2>him since, you know, giving him a role there at

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 2>the University of Georgia. And I'm just so relieved he

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 2>was doing well. And he's like, Coach, I don't have

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 2>anything went on play, so literally we had Adam No

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 2>make up the jersey for Odell and senate to him,

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>framed it, sent it to him, you know, just I mean,

0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>you're right. And Chris Henry, I mean, I remember a

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving the writers were writing that we had three first

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 2>round picks. You know that, you know, two thirds of

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the way, three fourths away three that season that you

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 2>know we had won the draft with three first round picks.

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, you Jackson came back from West Virginia just

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>raving about Chris Henry and they had watched one on

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>one film with him and Adam Jones, and him just

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 2>taken Adam a park Adam or that.

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see Adam out.

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>But that's how impressive it was was to see those

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>two compete. And they had watched Lily a one on

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>one practice tape when they were at WVU and you

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 2>know Christly with special And yes, it was so unfortunate.

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 2>He had basically turned his life around. And when the

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 2>accident in the curb.

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 1>You coached so many great linebackers in Pittsburgh and Baltimore

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and elsewhere, and I think people forget how impactful Odell

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>was his rookie year. Five interceptions, five forced fumbles, a

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>ton of tackles. He was on his way to being

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the best linebackers in the league.

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>No question about it, no question about it. He just

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>was so instinctive, so sudden. We were able to use

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>him as a blitzer, as a cover guy. He could

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>do it all, and you know, and he was smart

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>enough to get it right for the most part if

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>he jumping offside when he was glitzing, but other than that,

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 2>But no, we were we were really fortunate. And uh,

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, he just you know, was dealing with

0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, demons, in his life that

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 2>you learned.

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, So from your sixteen Bengals drafts, do you have

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 1>a pick that isn't as obvious as some of the

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>ones that I've mentioned that you thought was especially impactful.

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously these first rounders the picked were so

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>impactful on our squad. You know, tyer Riifer let me

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 2>change the game for it. You know, he really did.

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 2>And you know it means such such a difference in

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>what we were doing and everything that way. You know, uh,

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>you know Chris Perry before he gets hurt, you know,

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>such the athleticism, the ability to catch the run, to

0:34:53.960 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 2>do everything with tremendous you know, uh, Leon All and

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 2>what he and John Joseph were able to do. Leon

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 2>was a great mentor to John Joseph. Uh and watching

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 2>those two grow up together, you know, it was just

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>it's just incredible. Guy down like Georgia I Loca fourth

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 2>round pick. You know, you know Sean this, you know,

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 2>we were just so lucky and uh, you know that's

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the part of the uh, maybe from recruiting in college,

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 2>through being involved in the draft process. You know, in

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh in my first year, we draft Levon Kirkland in

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 2>my position. Next year, we draft Chad Brown, next year

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 2>we draft Jason Gilden, I mean Dante and so they

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 2>all three of them became Pro Bowl players, and it

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>just they included me in the process, and I was

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.360
<v Speaker 2>very very fortunate that and uh and so when I

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>moved on to Baltimore, the first pick we'd pick on

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 2>defense is Ray Lewis. And literally I was still in

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh when I went to the Combine that year, and

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I had watched plays at Miami and I shut the

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 2>tape off and one got Dick Leabow and it's a dick.

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 2>You got to see this guy. Five plays, That's all

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I watched. I went to the combine, introduced myself and

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, I'm Marvin Lewis'm the linebacker coach

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.879
<v Speaker 2>at Pittsburgh. Steve, you're a hell of a player. I'll

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 2>never get to coach you, but good luck to you.

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 2>Two weeks later, I was the defensive coordinator in Baltimore

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and we picked him at number twenty six because he

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't run that but boy was his sudden. And I

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>would tease Jesse Armstead and Michael Barrow down the line

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 2>that if they hadn't come out before him at Miami.

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>When I was in the process with the Steelers, they

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 2>would not have been a Ray Lewis. You know, that

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>would not have been so lucky. But those guys helped

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>me because I wasn't as high on them coming down

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 2>in the draft and they were very, very productive NFL player,

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 2>So they taught me a lesson of what Ray could be.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 2>And uh, and that's the fun of the process. And

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 2>you gotta you gotta dig deep into it and get

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 2>into it. And and that's the thing that I loved

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>about Mike Brown. As soon as the seasons over, Mike's

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>ready to draft. I mean, this is the this week.

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 2>He can't wait to get to the draft. You know,

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 2>he loves it. And uh and that's so great because

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>he's involved, he's excited about it, and uh you know, uh,

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 2>but I'm literally as soon as the season he's ready

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>to get to the draft. And uh, you know so.

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 2>And then once the draft's over, he's ready to get

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:42.359
<v Speaker 2>to the season. Let's cut the that's cut the team

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and get to the season. And you know, because he this,

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>this is what he does, this is his lifeblood. It's

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 2>all he worried about is the football team. And winning.

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Do you guys stay in frequent contact?

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I I check in, you know, once a month

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 2>or so, and uh, you know, uh, you know, when

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 2>you spend sixteen years, you know, and probably for the

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:08.879
<v Speaker 2>first eleven or twelve talk to somebody every single day.

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 2>You know. People can't believe that we would sit out

0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and meet every day and it might be five minutes,

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 2>it might be fifty five minutes. But that's all he does.

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Twenty four to seven, three sixty five. The man went

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 2>on one vacation when I was here two years. I

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.320
<v Speaker 2>think this is what he cares about, is that football

0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>team and winning. And obviously this year with them making

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the move they did and bringing back tight end and

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 2>both receivers, and now that they go into the draft prostics,

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>they got to sway it a little bit to the

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 2>defensive side.

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine, you know, I've been thinking of something

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you said, Marvin, as the Bengals prepare for this draft, because,

0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, after re signing Tea and Jamar and

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.840
<v Speaker 1>obviously Joe's extension last year, they're going to have to

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>be younger and cheaper on defense. That's just the way

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it is. I just thinkly, remember you at some point

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:07.280
<v Speaker 1>saying you need young legs on defense, and that's ringing

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.760
<v Speaker 1>in my head right now as they prepare for this draft.

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>You really that's the beauty of the draft. And it

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 2>was kind of funny that the year of the lockout

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 2>we reverse the process so you're able to go through

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 2>the draft and then fill in with free agency after

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>the draft, which would be the ideal way to do it,

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>which then your whole draft board would be opened. You know,

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 2>you really wouldn't worry about we got to make sure

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 2>we get a guy at some point here or there.

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 2>You can just pick the best players throughout and then

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 2>fill in with free agents if you could do that process.

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>But no, I really believe that, you know, particularly you know,

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you're what the colleges are doing now that you can

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 2>get guys, you know, defensive linemen, the interior guys, edge guys.

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 2>There's so many edge guys that can change the game.

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you look at last year's draft class and

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 2>how many edge guys came out and were productive as rookies,

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:15.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, because that's what they're doing in college. And

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:19.360
<v Speaker 2>then you look at the corners and the safeties because

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 2>they have to be able to cover so those are

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the things. And you know, and unfortunately the fungible position

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>as a linebacker. You know, but you can be the

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.320
<v Speaker 2>game has changed so much. Well now you're looking for athletes,

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>and that's what they had in Cincinnati in the two

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>interior and I think one of the guys left now,

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 2>but that's what they had and two good athletes inside

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.879
<v Speaker 2>and fifty seven and fifty five. You know, both guys

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 2>were good athletes. And that's what we were able to

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.240
<v Speaker 2>have back in the day when we had Caleb Miller

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and Landon Johnson. They weren't big, but they were athletes,

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, through that little stretch and then we ended

0:40:58.280 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 2>up getting a little bigger as we went.

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 1>When you evaluated players, what did you prioritize and what

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:06.720
<v Speaker 1>were your non negotiables?

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:12.919
<v Speaker 2>They had to be competitive non negotial right there. And

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I think the second thing, they had to be smart

0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 2>enough to handle the changes and that you do game

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 2>plan wise and even sometimes in between series. You know,

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 2>I was blessed as a young coach to be around

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the Rod Woodson uh to see how smart guys could

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>be and and and be impactful that way. And so

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>but those were the things, you know, and then as

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 2>far as you know what you're looking for, we're looking

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.839
<v Speaker 2>for guys that were you know, I said this from

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the start, big strong, physical men. We were competing in

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 2>the most physical division in the National Football League and

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 2>we had to go be more physical than Baltimore Pittsburgh.

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 2>And at the time I was there, Cleveland was drafting

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>at the top of the draft every year. So I

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 2>mean a yukawuiji board and hit on somebody, you know,

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>with your eyes shut.

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:14.439
<v Speaker 1>They got the second pick this year. So some things

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:15.720
<v Speaker 1>have changed.

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 2>But we had to be able to withstand. And I

0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>think about from when I started in those first signing

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>of free agents Reggie Kelly, because we had to be

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 2>able to block the perimeter guys that Baltimore and Pittsburgh had,

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 2>and Reggie Kelly was that guy for us. But then

0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>the leadership that we brought in, But those are the

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.319
<v Speaker 2>things they announced answer your question. We needed to get

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.320
<v Speaker 2>bigger and stronger and more physical. I mean, when Michael

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 2>Johnson and Carlos Dunlaugh and those guys got off the bus,

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 2>they were big men, and that's what we wanted to

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>look like. And the same thing on the conversing on

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the ball was with the offensive line.

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:59.200
<v Speaker 2>They had to be big, strong, physical people, and we're

0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 2>able to always put good runners behind him. Physical runner,

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, from Corey to Rudy. J just said obviously

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the Joe Mixon and all the other guys that came,

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>you know in between Ben Jarvis. You know, Uh, that's

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.919
<v Speaker 2>the kind of football we played, and so we had

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to be great at that and drafted that. You know,

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 2>when we had Rudy, we draft Chris Perry because we

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 2>felt like he offered a change up in a different style. Uh,

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and the same thing with with oh, our guy from

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, you know, the accident, the guys that we

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 2>had during those times, you know, Geo he had to

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, so we were always trying to make sure

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.359
<v Speaker 2>that we had flexibility and versatility and what we were

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:48.799
<v Speaker 2>doing within the football team.

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you still feel that way about the AFC North

0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>or did your opinion of it for standing out in

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 1>that sense change from the last couple of years you

0:43:58.000 --> 0:43:58.720
<v Speaker 1>spent with the Raiders.

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I was get involved against it this year, so yes.

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>And Cleveland is that now they're a physical football team,

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, up front on offense, and uh, they you know,

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.720
<v Speaker 2>their backs were a little bit dinged up and injured

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 2>this year, but but that's what they do. And obviously

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Baltimore hasn't changed in Pittsburgh has yet to change, so

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 2>it's really it's still the same. I mean, you know,

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the Bengals, because of the quarterback and the skill on offense,

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:28.040
<v Speaker 2>they go about it a different way.

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:32.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, So this one might be difficult. But do

0:44:32.400 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you remember any specific times where there was a player

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 1>who was taken just before the Bengals selection where it

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 1>really broke your heart?

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:44.879
<v Speaker 2>There always is right, you know what I mean, there's

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 2>no question about it if there always is a player

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and you know that that maybe goes right before you.

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 2>You know the thing, and that's why you know that.

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, people think you go into the draft, uh,

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, you have certain targets. You hope you can

0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 2>get some, but you know you got to be know

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:07.959
<v Speaker 2>that the other teams are doing their work as well,

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes the guy just doesn't quite get to you.

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.360
<v Speaker 2>And you know, the way Mike did the process was

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 2>really good. You know, we would be four or five

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 2>picks from our from our pick and we would have

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, he wanted to have six names, five or

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 2>six names to say again, these are the guys that

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>were targeting, and we feel everybody feels good about this guy.

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:32.839
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't say so, and let's let's move

0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>on to the next one and maybe fill in later

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 2>on at that spot. But but, but that was a

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 2>good part of the process.

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 1>After you picked a guy, how quickly did you know

0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 1>if he was going to be successful in the NFL.

0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we got a little bit of an indication,

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, when we would bring them in for the

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 2>rookie can't put them on the field and start doing

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff with them, and you know, really when you can,

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, But like I said earlier, you know in

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:04.320
<v Speaker 2>the NFL, there's really no restriction on what you can't

0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:07.359
<v Speaker 2>can and can't do. You really should know a lot

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 2>about the player. Is much about kick me for the

0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 2>first three four rounds. You know. Now maybe down the

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 2>line you don't know quite as much and you're going

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 2>off the time the scouts spent on campus. If we

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:23.359
<v Speaker 2>did have a coach, go to the campus and then

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 2>the videotape, And that was the thing in the process

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 2>that I'd love to do too. I mean, I would

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 2>try to watch through to three hundred of the players,

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 2>many of the players that I could like. If I

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:36.239
<v Speaker 2>knew there was multiple players on a team, then I

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to watch that that side of the ball versus whoever,

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 2>So that I knew something about some of these guys

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.760
<v Speaker 2>that were maybe down the line in the sixth seventh

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 2>round that way, so you know, you really, you know,

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.160
<v Speaker 2>you get to feel pretty pretty pretty close, you know,

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 2>early on. And and the fact that that you know,

0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>we wanted to try and get those guys involved early,

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.240
<v Speaker 2>and that was another part of it. You know, let's

0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>do what they do. Let's make sure we're bringing a

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:13.280
<v Speaker 2>guy to Cincinnati that if he is a deep ball catcher,

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 2>let's throw deep balls to him, you know, that's what

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 2>he does. If he's an underneath guy, let's make sure

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.800
<v Speaker 2>we can have give him success and what he does,

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 2>you know. And if he's a running back and has

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.319
<v Speaker 2>great hands, let's make sure we feature him that way.

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 1>All right, a few more non draft questions and I'll

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>let you go. You came to pay Corps this year

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:37.720
<v Speaker 1>to face the Bengals. You saw Joe Burrow in peak form.

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.719
<v Speaker 1>He tied his career high with five touchdown passes that day.

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.799
<v Speaker 1>What impressed you most seeing Joe Burrow in person.

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:49.640
<v Speaker 2>I think his ex accuracy number one. He doesn't get

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:53.839
<v Speaker 2>as much credit for how he can move in the pocket.

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:58.320
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that I think he took what the

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>defense gave him. You know, we we we tried to.

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:04.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Higgins played that day, so we were

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 2>able to just you know, kind of shift everything over

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>to Chase and so the tight end killed.

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Us receiving yards in that game.

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>So you know, so those things I think. You know,

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I was fortunate enough to be there the year before

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 2>when when Chad went into the Ring of Honor, and

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.279
<v Speaker 2>that was the first time I had ever seen Joe

0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Burrow up close on the on the field before the

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 2>game when they were doing the pregame and how big

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 2>he was. I didn't realize that. So he's an impressive player,

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you know. Uh. The receivers and the tight end were

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 2>so impressive physically, uh that day as well. You know,

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I noticed, you know, I saw them that same day

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.520
<v Speaker 2>I was on the field and Green gave I mean,

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 2>they're well put together football team on that side of

0:48:56.080 --> 0:49:00.040
<v Speaker 2>the ball, and uh, and you know, I mean he

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:04.040
<v Speaker 2>is arguably you know that it's not the top but

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.280
<v Speaker 2>in the top two three quarterbacks in National Football League,

0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:09.879
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he goes out and proves it day

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 2>in and day out.

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Marvin, before Vegas, you were back in college football for

0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>a few years at Arizona State. What do you think

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 1>of Bill Belichick becoming the head coach at North Carolina?

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I think number one. You know, obviously he gives an

0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>instant credibility to what they're doing. He's surrounded himself with

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:35.200
<v Speaker 2>his people who really do a great job at what

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:40.719
<v Speaker 2>they do. I know, coaches, administration and Mike Lombardi. So

0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:44.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's put together a really good cast of

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:49.440
<v Speaker 2>characters to help them build the program. That way, the

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 2>thing that I think the biggest struggle Bill is going

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to have, and I don't know if if the time

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.799
<v Speaker 2>constraints that you have in college football, which really makes

0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:01.280
<v Speaker 2>no sense because now we're paying the they're paying these guys,

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.399
<v Speaker 2>and now you're limiting them so many hours, seventeen hours

0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a week basically because the game comes for three And

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the biggest difference in college football. You know, the

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.920
<v Speaker 2>time we spent in the National Football League with these

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.920
<v Speaker 2>guys and then in college now you're ratcheted back to

0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>those hours and so I think that's going to be

0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 2>a big adjustment, the fact that the portal just opened again.

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 2>So you know, the comings and goings of the guys

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.879
<v Speaker 2>who get their feelings hurt. That's the other difficult part,

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. And I'm sure there'll be

0:50:35.920 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Jettis and some guys and you know, we won't feel

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the love and so they'll be leaving that way. But

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 2>that's part of the college football process these days.

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>You are seven years younger than Pete Carroll. He just

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.520
<v Speaker 1>jumped back into the head coaching pool. Would you like

0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 1>to keep coaching in some capacity.

0:50:56.360 --> 0:51:03.400
<v Speaker 2>No, I think I'm good. I'm done. You know, I'm bored,

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you that. But I don't know what

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll do. But it was great. I was glad that

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to help the people that have helped over the

0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 2>last few years. You know, I stay in touch with

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, with Kenny at Asu. I've been down there

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 2>three four times. I'll be there tomorrow to look at

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.320
<v Speaker 2>their clinic. You know, I've been down at University of

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Arizona UNLB, you know. So you know a lot of

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 2>these coaches that I know, you know, stay in touch with,

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:39.319
<v Speaker 2>But no, I think I'm done. You know the other

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 2>side of it is my wife's put up with this

0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.759
<v Speaker 2>stuff for over forty seven years.

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes she has, and.

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:49.479
<v Speaker 2>So you know, as she says, it's her time now.

0:51:50.320 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 2>And so now I'm here for every service, repair man

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 2>and everything and all those things that come with running

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 2>the household and taking those offs for late and so

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:03.319
<v Speaker 2>that's what I do now.

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 1>And being a great grandfather.

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and those my three dudes. You know we got today,

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>We got basketball tonight, we had soccer when tuesday, we

0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:19.319
<v Speaker 2>got golf school on Saturday. Grayson had piano and hip

0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:24.480
<v Speaker 2>hop yesterday. You know. So they're busy guys, and to

0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:26.440
<v Speaker 2>watch them grow up has been really cool.

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I probably should have phrased that differently, being an excellent

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>grandfather as opposed to a great grandfather. That sounds like,

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're talking about another generation. Final question for you, Marvin.

0:52:39.200 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 1>We've all heard the saying you want to leave something

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:47.320
<v Speaker 1>better than you found it. I think that's certainly true

0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of your time in Cincinnati. You finished with a winning record,

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:55.440
<v Speaker 1>seven playoff trips, four division titles. What are you proudest

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 1>of from your ten years the Bengals head coach.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm probably proudest of the fact that watching

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<v Speaker 2>the men grow and the father's productive husbands. I think that,

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<v Speaker 2>to me is the coolest part. I've missed their calls,

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<v Speaker 2>but they've did these zoom calls last couple of Sundays

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<v Speaker 2>and there's twenty guys on there, and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. And we didn't win a championship, but I

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<v Speaker 2>which is why we do this, but to see these

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<v Speaker 2>guys be productive adults after their careers, it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that's what gives Mike the most satisfaction.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the fact that Mike never wanted to see

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<v Speaker 2>a player that couldn't be productive the rest of his life,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's really cool. You know, Sam Hubbard just got

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<v Speaker 2>married last weekend, and the whole Sam Hubbard story from

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<v Speaker 2>when he's in high school with Moller and and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>up there at House State with Earth and Sam calls

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<v Speaker 2>Irvine and Irvan puts me on the phone with Sam

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<v Speaker 2>Hubbard and says, hey, here's your next coach. And the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that we were fortunate enough to draft Sam and

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<v Speaker 2>you know so, and then watching what the impact he's

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<v Speaker 2>having in in the Cincinnati community with his foundation is

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<v Speaker 2>Mont property. That stuff's really cool, you know, to see

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<v Speaker 2>what these guys have grown and done and being productive.

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<v Speaker 2>You know Vontez is here in Arizona and seeing him

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<v Speaker 2>coach junior high football, have a trucking business. You know

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<v Speaker 2>Wallace Gilberry who we didn't draft but we brought into Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 2>ended his career, made us a better football team, and

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<v Speaker 2>he has a very successful trucking business. So that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's this thing that that makes it cool.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you've mentioned Andrew, We know David College and

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<v Speaker 2>all these guys and what the greatest things they did.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I just think that they're being able

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<v Speaker 2>to see them being productive. Aj you know Aj Green,

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<v Speaker 2>the father in him, the husband. That's the coolest.

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<v Speaker 1>Put Marvin, this has been a real treat. You've been

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<v Speaker 1>very generous with your time. I can't thank you enough

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<v Speaker 1>and I really really do appreciate it. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You welcome, Dan Good to do it my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals Booth podcast, draft predictions from Dave Lapham and me.

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