1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 1: I get everybody on dan Hoard and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth podcast The Room where It Happens. Addition, 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: as we get stories from inside the Bengals draft room 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: from a guy who is there for sixteen years, former 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis. The Bengals Booth Podcast is 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: brought to you by pay Corps, Proud to be the 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Bengals official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future proof 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business and community 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: to a new level, and by Kettering Health the best 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: care for the best fans. 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The NFL Draft is 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: a week away, and it is a treat to welcome 31 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: in a man who played a big role in selecting 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: some of the best players in Bengals history, Carson Palmer, 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, Gino Atkins, AJ Green, Andy Dalton, and many others. 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: The winningest coach in Bengals history, Marvin Lewis coach. When 35 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: you hear some of those names, do you instantly go 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: back to some draft day memories? 37 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, that you instantly made me smile. There, Yeah, 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: a lot of great draft day memories, and you know, 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: when you're hoping that the people that we identified it 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: would really help us are there when it's our turn 41 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 2: to pick. And I think that's the best part of 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: the draft. 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: You were in a lot of draft weekend war rooms. 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: Will you miss it next week? 45 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 2: I was out of it, and then they drug me 46 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 2: back in. In fact, the funniest thing is literally one 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: of my first experiences here when I wasn't involved in 48 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 2: the draft is getting the text messages from gms about hey, 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: should I pick this guy now? And one of the 50 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: gms I missed the text message, and now they were 51 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: in the sixth round. I said, no question the fourth 52 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: round about a ASU player, and you know, but no, 53 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: I'll be good. It was great to be in it 54 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: last year again, and particularly with the exposure I had 55 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: to all the quarterbacks out of the PAC twelve. They 56 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: went in the first round and have been have been 57 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: very significant for their teams. I believed in all three 58 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: of those guys. I thought they would be good players. 59 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: I also had exposure to Spencer Ratler from high school. 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: This year, Jackson Dark I was the first person that 61 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: offered Jackson Dart a scholarship literally and so it'll be cool, 62 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: but you know, No, I'll be all right. 63 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: So you were there with Vegas last year, obviously with 64 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: the Bengals for more than a decade in the draft room. 65 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: What about prior to that with Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Washington. 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Were you in draft rooms there? 67 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? I was very fortunate that, you know, really, when 68 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: I started in ninety two with the Steelers with Bill 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: Kawer and Tom Donaho and the Rooney family, that, yeah, 70 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: we were in the room. And then later on as 71 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: I went on to Baltimore, I was in the room 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: as the coordinator and so forth. And in Washington, so yeah, 73 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: I was always involved and I really owe it to 74 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: them for them to be including me in that was 75 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: great to help me in the process as I became 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: the head coach of the Bengals because I had been 77 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: included in the process. 78 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: So Marvin Bengals coaches have a big voice in the 79 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: draft process in Cincinnati. Was that always the case when 80 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: you got there or did that evolve during your sixteen 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: years as the head coach. 82 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: No, I think it's been the case. It's how I 83 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 2: think Paul Brown and then later Mike Stahl, Mike all 84 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: the draft going that they wanted the involvement of the coaches. 85 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: We probably actually backed off a lot when I took 86 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: over because it would be more than double the scouting staff. 87 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: And then as time went on with do Tobin taking 88 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: over and doing such a great job with it, but 89 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: we added his father, Bill, two or three other scouts 90 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: right away when I got the job, So we kind 91 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: of took the coaches out of it and just tried 92 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: to focus them on areas where we felt like maybe 93 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: we would take a player at that position, or a 94 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: guy that maybe was an underclassman or somebody that had 95 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: some issues coming out, and we tried to focus on 96 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: those guys with the coaches more. 97 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: Even so, your very first pick, number one overall was 98 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. I assume it was a no brainer. The 99 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: next quarterback taken that year was Byron left Which what 100 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: stands out to you, Marvin about the pre draft process 101 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: with Carson Palmer was. 102 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: It was really really cool. That was you know, when 103 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: I got the job, I'm sitting in the stands with 104 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: the Brown family, Mike, Troy, Katie and ABPB was there, 105 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: I can't remember, but and it's the Senior Bowl and 106 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: Carson's playing in the Senior Bowl, and I have no 107 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: idea of anything about Carson Palmer, but I'm literally sitting 108 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: there with them. I think they had already offered me 109 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: the job, but I had not accepted the job. And 110 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: I was sitting there in practice and Mike was just 111 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: doing and all over Carson and it was great. And 112 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: then getting to know Carson through the process going to 113 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: sc for pro day. Later on, we went back to California, 114 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: had a private workout with him which was just off 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: the charts, and we brought him to Cincinnati the two 116 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: weeks prior to the draft because we had a mini 117 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: camp to look for me to look at the current team, 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: and Carson was there. Byron Left, which had already been 119 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, we had Carson and Terrence Newman in town 120 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: for that weekend of our mini camp, and then walking 121 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: back across the street from practice on Saturday morning, I 122 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: was walking with Carson and I told him you were 123 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: going to be our first pick, and I said, you 124 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: and I are going to be joined to here. And 125 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: it was an exciting time. And obviously everything worked out. 126 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: We're able to get him signed right fire to the draft, 127 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: and it was great, you know, and he never disappointed 128 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: with what I told before his ability was just incredible. 129 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Nobody loves quarterbacks more than Mike, and I think to 130 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: this day from talking to him, he believes Carson through 131 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: the prettiest ball of any of the great Bengals quarterbacks. 132 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: So was it the same for you. 133 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: No question about it. I used to Dan. I used 134 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: to stand on the sideline prior to the games and 135 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: the officials who would be doing their little warm ups 136 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: where they're running up back and forth, shuffling down the sideline, 137 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: and I would stand there in the white while Carson 138 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: was throwing speed cutouts to our wide receivers and I 139 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: never moved. And one of the officials said to me, 140 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: I do your games. I've done your games. You're always 141 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: standing here. He's throwing the ball and you never move. 142 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: I know he never missed it. It's just boom. It's 143 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: right there on the receiver's eyes. Every single time. I 144 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: don't have to move out of the way. They catch it. 145 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: Boom to step, boom, and it's that. And when Carson 146 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: got hurt in the spring of two thousand and six 147 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 2: and we brought in quarterbacks to work out and have 148 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: them throw for us, and I just would be standing there, 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: just shaking my head because there was just no comparison, 150 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: and they had been starting quarterbacks in the National Football League. 151 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: You didn't play him as rookie year. The Chiefs basically 152 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: did the same thing a few years ago with Patrick Mahomes. 153 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: But that is the exception. Nowadays, most of the time 154 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: guys drafted high play right away. If you were doing 155 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: it again, would you do the same thing. 156 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not. But I do know that when I 157 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: got the job, I had many of the veteran players 158 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: come into my office and say, we don't need a Martin. 159 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: We don't need a quarterback. We've got we've got kids, 160 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: we don't need a quarterback because they had lived through 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: playing with a young quarterback and they really felt like 162 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: it was the franchise needed to win. They needed to 163 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 2: win as players because they know their their lifespan in 164 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: the National Football League's not very long. And but boy, 165 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: I tell you what, every day and Carson they practiced. 166 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: You know, Carson's just turned heads and uh, you know, 167 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: so we even added I added a period on Wednesday 168 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: or Thursday and Friday for Carson every week for him 169 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: to be you know, he he was. He was prepared 170 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: as a starting quarterback every week. Ken Zampasy, Barbara Counsel 171 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: did a great job always preparing him as the starting quarterback, 172 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: and and John Kitt how to be an NFL quarterback 173 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: and be the leader of the team, which was great. 174 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: He had a great mental in John, and but we 175 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: added a period where he was against pressure from the 176 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: opponents and it was five plays each day and he 177 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: had to go in and operate because I read an 178 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: article that Dan Reeves started doing that with Michael Vick 179 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: when he was a rookie, just to help him get 180 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: prepared for when he would be the guy. And so 181 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: it was very beneficial for Carson. And but he just 182 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: followed us every single day. 183 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: And you did accomplish your objective with the team. You 184 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: went five hundred, but you were in playoff contention until 185 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: the final weeks of the season. It did flip the 186 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: narrative for the Bengals ability to contend going forward. 187 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really did. The guys believed, you know, they 188 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: believed in Kit and that was great, and he was 189 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: able to rally the troops and you know, but we 190 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: were playing the Bills up there, and I remember there 191 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: was a pressure team and Kit knew where it was 192 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: coming and he hang on, and he held onto the 193 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: ball for as long as he could and hit Peter 194 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: Board with a big post and then he got down 195 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: and the blitzer slid right over. And I said, oh, 196 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: Carson would have been dead from that day. We did 197 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: that period because I you know, we wanted to prepare him. 198 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 2: But yeah, that was great. And then literally I remember 199 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: January February whatever and called both those guys in Carson 200 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: and John and said, Carson and juwe ball, now take 201 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: care of it. And the rest was history. 202 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: All right, let's hit on some other draft success stories. 203 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth's fifty fifth pick in two thousand and six, 204 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna wind up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 205 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: Did you have any idea what you were getting on 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: and off the field in Big wid Dahn. 207 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: No question we did. I remember what he was wearing 208 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: when we interviewed him in Indy. He had on a 209 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: beautiful white polo button down shirt call or. I mean, 210 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: he looked like a million bucks. And after he left 211 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: the room, I said to Paul Alexander, I said, Paul, 212 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: if we're fortunate enough to draft him, we won't. I 213 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: won't need you. And then boy, he again never disappointed, 214 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: and I'm just you know what a great player, person, teammate, 215 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: mentor an extension of us as coaches Wit and Domitow Peko, 216 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 2: but particularly with Brent, brought our team through the lockout 217 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: and made it stronger. And I remember him calling me 218 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: when the lockout was over and he said, I can't 219 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: wait to give this back to you because he was 220 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: dealing with all the issues the players had, you know, 221 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: from insurance and all those other things they had to 222 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: deal with during that period of time. But Andrew was 223 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 2: the best, you know, as Carson moved on and we draft, 224 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: we're fortunate enough to draft Andy. He was a great, 225 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: great caddy for Andy and mentor and you know, and 226 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: then he passed it on Andy, Sandy, it's your time 227 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: now to be the leader. 228 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned Domata Peco. That's the same draft as Andrew Whitworth. 229 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the odds of getting your offensive heart beat 230 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: in terms of leadership and the same thing on the 231 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: defensive end in the same draft. It's pretty extraordinary. 232 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 2: And I think I want to say, and I think 233 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: there was another player with John Joseph also. 234 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: He was the first pick in that draft. 235 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: YEP, that those guys set a record for the most 236 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: games played in the National Football League out of a 237 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 2: draft class. I remember, I think there was an article 238 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: written by somebody a few years ago. And I don't 239 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: know who the third round pick was that year, but 240 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: I know Domita was four. Obviously, with too we had 241 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: the running back Kenny Irons was also a second who 242 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: got hurt with the ACL injury. But I can't remember 243 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: who the third round pick was, but there and I 244 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: think maybe it was one other guy, but they set 245 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: a record who were games in the National Football League 246 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 2: out of one draft round by one team? 247 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Twoy ten. Your fourth pick, number one twenty overall was 248 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: Gino Atkins, who went on to play in eight Pro Bowls. 249 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: Do you recall if anybody in particular was quote unquote 250 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: standing on the table and really trying to make the 251 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: case for Gino. 252 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: Oh, Zim and I both did. We literally had identified 253 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: Gino as other than we knew Sue and the kid 254 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: from Oklahoma were going to go at the top of 255 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: the draft in the first round, and we thought Gino 256 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 2: was going to be as good or better path rusher 257 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: inside path rusher as those two guys, and so we 258 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: we were so excited when he was there and we 259 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: picked him in the fourth round. You know, Gino's personality 260 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: of being so quiet and you know, but just you know, 261 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: we brought him on as a rookie. He started playing 262 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: on third down in twenty ten and then became the 263 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: full start starter in twenty eleven. 264 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: You must have been rolling the dice a little bit 265 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: that he would be there in round four if you 266 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: felt that highly about him as an interior pass rusher. 267 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: Well, there was some you know, for whatever reason, there 268 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: were some negative thoughts about Geno coming out and obviously 269 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: his stature people doubted question that also, but you know, literally, 270 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: I think you know, obviously Aaron Donald had a tremendous career, 271 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: but Aaron you know, was probably just maybe a little 272 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: bit more explosive obviously, but but but you know, you know, 273 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: he began to he he changed how people looked at 274 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: defensive tackle and uh, you know, and and and that's 275 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: great and we were so so fortunate to have him. 276 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: We also drafted Carlos dun Left in the second round 277 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: that year, so uh, you know, we got a lot 278 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: of production out of those guys. 279 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: What was coach Zimmer like in the draft room when 280 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: there was a guy on the board that he really really. 281 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: Won patients, you know, and you know, we all come 282 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: from different backgrounds. Zim basically had spent most of his 283 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: NFL career with the Cowboys prior to that, and uh, 284 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, so he was used to people how they 285 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: did it differently, and uh, you know it spent one 286 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: year in Atlanta. So but you know, the thing about 287 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: it is, and I told our coaches just you know, 288 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: they were fortunate that Mike wanted to hear their opinion. 289 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: And so just be right, you know what I'm saying, 290 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: because when we put our when we put our ticket 291 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: on one of these guys, he's odd, and so let's go, 292 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: let's go make him the best. 293 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: I remember coach Gunther coming out of draft rooms muttering 294 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: anytime a high pick was used on an offensive player 295 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: instead of somebody that could help his side of the ball. 296 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. No. No. It's funny though, 297 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: because when I started in Pittsburgh in ninety two, you know, 298 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: I was out of the Bill Kawer. I was the 299 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: youngest coach on the staff, and none of those guys 300 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 2: wanted a high pick because they knew they had to 301 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: getting ready to play. But it's great when the coaches 302 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: do want to want to get a guy that they 303 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: think will help them improve on their side of the football. 304 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: And it's great, you know, but not everybody can have 305 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: every every round pick. You know, we got to build 306 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: the entire football team. 307 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure in your sixteen years there were guys that 308 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily your choice. And I'm not going to ask 309 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: you to name names. But when that was the case, 310 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: was it difficult to be the person that then had 311 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: to go in front of the cameras and and sell 312 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: the wisdom of that choice. 313 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: No, damn believe it or not. And I think we 314 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 2: got to this early the fact that the pick wasn't mine, Mike's, 315 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: it was the Bangles pick. And I think that was 316 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: really important. I know that when I when I got 317 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: the job, that was important to Mike that we stayed 318 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: unified and uh. And it was my I took it 319 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: on as my responsibility too, for all of us to 320 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: be involved and convince everybody why or why not? And uh. 321 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: And you know, we made some errors and some mistakes, 322 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 2: and but what we always learned from them. You know, 323 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: I think one you know, taking a cornerback that didn't 324 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: quite have the foot speed to do what we needed 325 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: to do. You know, what we're looking for the next year, 326 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: a cornerback that could do what we're looking for him 327 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: to do. And so we learned from sometimes when we 328 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: maybe reached a little bit and uh, you know, and 329 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: those were good thing. So and that's the process is 330 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 2: You're not always going to be right. It's not one 331 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: pick or one person's choice. It was it was basically 332 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: for the most part of group effort that way. And 333 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: we respected that process and I thought we we we 334 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: got good at that process. And Duke took it over 335 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: and managed that process, which was great. 336 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: What's Duke's strength as a draft guru. 337 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: I think not getting swayed by popularity. You know that 338 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 2: he lets the the video and the physical characteristics do 339 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: the work. And the fact that we dove into the person. 340 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 2: You know, the thing about the draft and the National 341 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: Football League is and you can open up the hood. 342 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 2: And we made sure we tried to open up the 343 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: hood as much as we could. And uh, and I 344 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: think that that part of the process, you know, Duke 345 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: and I would start we would talk about that before 346 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: we were go over to Indy because I had no 347 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: idea who these guys were, and he would give me 348 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: a little bit of a preview myself personally, and then 349 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: we would preview the coaches on guys and so forth, 350 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: and who the targets that we really wanted to know 351 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: more about them, their personality. Was this a guy that 352 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: was a good fit for us personality wise, and then 353 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: just convincing everybody in the process, there's a lot of 354 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: good players. If this guy doesn't fit the mold, let's 355 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 2: move on to the next guy that does. Even if 356 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 2: he doesn't, maybe a great fit for the positions. It 357 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: makes our football team stronger. And I think Mike allowing 358 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: that to happen was huge, you know that, you know, 359 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: we didn't have to go with a popular pick. We 360 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: went with the one that fit us. 361 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: So it sounds like those personal visits, whether it was 362 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: at the combine or back in Cincinnati, were really important to. 363 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: You, yes, or going out on campus, you know, to 364 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: the to the players campus, taking that player to dinner, 365 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: spending time my greatest thing. And because I got put 366 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: on the competition com many by Missioner Tagliabu and six, 367 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: I wasn't able to get out to as many pro 368 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 2: days until the lockout team and then I realized what 369 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: I was missing, and so I was able to start 370 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 2: going to selected workout and being a fly on the 371 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: wall and watching how the player was interacting with his teammates, 372 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: the respect his teammates had for that player, and how 373 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: the respect he had for his teammates, and it was 374 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: that guy a good fit and that was the thing. 375 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you a quick story. When we went 376 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: to work out Cam Newton, great physical talent, we couldn't 377 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: get a receiver to catch for him. We went to 378 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: Florida State or we worked out Ponder and he was 379 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: at home in Dallas. So we were able to get 380 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: the kids from SMU to help catch and do that. 381 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: We go to Saint Louis and to Missouri to work 382 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: out Gabbert and we got a flying coaches to catch. 383 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: We go to TCU, the entire football team is there 384 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 2: as part of the process with Andy Dalton, and that 385 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: that that said a lot about what Andy Dalton meant 386 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: to its teammates. And you know that that was a lot. 387 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: This reminds me of the movie Draft Day where the 388 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: players didn't show up for the top prospects birthday party, 389 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: and Kevin Costner remembered that so things like that do 390 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: happen that that makes an impression. 391 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: It makes an impression. That morning, you know, literally I 392 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: think we had I can't remember who was in town, 393 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: but I flew into dall on good Friday morning early. 394 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 2: When I got on the plane, there was the USA 395 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: Today on my chair and I read the article. In 396 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: the article it said the team that's fortunate enough to 397 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: draft AJ Green and Andy Dalton will be the big 398 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: winners in the draft. When I landed in Dallas, I 399 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 2: drove over to the campus and I met the coaches 400 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 2: for breakfast. They had taken Andy to dinner the night 401 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: before and met. 402 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: With the and they're like, man, I've been talking to nobody, 403 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: but we literally held our breath and we were able 404 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: to draft Andy AJ obviously at number four, and then 405 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: later Andy Dalton. 406 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: And you know, it sprung us forward again, which was great. 407 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: So other than Carson, AJ was your only other top 408 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: five pick, because you mentioned number four. Overall, that twenty 409 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: eleven draft is considered one of the all time great drafts. 410 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: JJ Watt, von Miller, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones. You mentioned 411 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, who took the Panthers to the Super Bowl 412 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: twelve of the top sixteen picks in that draft were 413 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: Pro bowlers. What tipped the scales in favor of A. J. 414 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: Green just the way he carried himself, you know, A 415 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 2: Julio Patrick Peterson I had met, We met with them all. 416 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: In fact, I think the META had Julio in town 417 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: before I went to meet with Andy, and Cam had 418 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: been there the day before, and uh, and then I 419 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: met with Patrick Peterson in the airport after I came 420 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: back from Dallas of being with Andy and Ponder and uh, 421 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: we literally met with him in the uh in the 422 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: airport lounge there at CBG, so when he was on 423 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 2: his way flying to his next stop. So, yeah, we 424 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: were excited. Uh. You know, at that number four slot, 425 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: we would have picked we wanted obviously our AJ, but 426 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 2: we would have picked vond had uh, you know, had 427 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: AJ been gone. You know, that was the decision of 428 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: Von Miller and AJ Green, and then the Cincinnati Bengals 429 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: would have been a three to four defense in Von Miller. 430 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: You know, then we knew what we had to do 431 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 2: then was prepared to make the switch so that we 432 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: could you know, really maximize Von's ability. 433 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: Couldn't go wrong either way. 434 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right. And then Patrick Peterson was our 435 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: fallback guy if we had to move back in the draft, 436 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: and if if Cam was there, we were going to 437 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: pick Cam. And Jay Gruden was prepared to build the 438 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: Cam Newton offense. So, you know, that's the thing. I think, 439 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: the involvement of our coaches, our coordinators. I was so 440 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: fortunate to have guys that were so invested in that 441 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: like that. 442 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: So a bunch of quarterbacks and you you mentioned several 443 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: of them were taken before Andy in that twenty eleven drafting. 444 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: You took him in the second round. What was it 445 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: about Andy? I know Jay Gruden was really high on him. 446 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Why did you guys think that this guy would be 447 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: ready from day one? 448 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 2: He never knew to throw. I literally, I was watching 449 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 2: this guy from TCU and I go into Jay's office. 450 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: I said, this quarterback from TCU never miss it. I say, 451 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 2: have you looked at it? And yeah, he's my favorite 452 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 2: and he goes he was on the other team that 453 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 2: you coached at the Senior Bowl. And I didn't even 454 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: realize that, you know, I said, it's awesome. We just 455 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: held our breath. We sent the quarterbacks a little book 456 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: before they came to visit us a little like playbook 457 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: that Jay had put together. Andy came in and had 458 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: some type bears when he brought it into visit with us. 459 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: You know this right here, and and that was so 460 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: so impressive, you know, you know, but we we literally 461 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: held our breath, we did we uh uh? Later on, 462 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 2: Bill Polly and told me, he said, you know, he did. 463 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 2: They didn't know that the injury that Peyton Nanny had 464 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 2: to his neck was going to be so severe, and 465 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: they ended up picking the offen tackle Costanza instead of Andy. 466 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: And he said to me one time, he said, you know, 467 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: we just I just didn't know Peyton's injury was as 468 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: severe as it was. And you know, we would have 469 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: picked Andy Dalton. That was the guy that they had 470 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: targeted also, and you know, Carl Kaepernick went the very 471 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 2: next pick. Colin had Colin at the Senior Bowl and 472 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: he and Locker at the Senior Bowl where the quarterbacks 473 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: we had on a squad. 474 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: Out of all of those quarterbacks, take it in that draft. 475 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: Andy's had the longest career, and you know, you can 476 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: make the case the most successful. Cam had a great run, 477 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: but it didn't last nearly as long. And Andy's still 478 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: going strong. 479 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: If you look at Andy's numbers, really incredible in comparison 480 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: to the guys that have earned Hall of Fame quarterback. 481 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: The thinging about it, I will tell you that I 482 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 2: had a you know, last year, We're getting ready to 483 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: play the Carolina Panthers and on Tuesday morning they announced 484 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: Andy Dalkins at starting quarterback and I just get a 485 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: sick feeling in my stomach because I know what we're 486 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: in for. I know that he's going to be prepared. 487 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: I know he's going to know where every pressure is 488 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 2: coming from, the looks and everything, and he's going to 489 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: be able to get ready with football. And we had 490 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 2: to play an outstanding game and we didn't and they 491 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: beat us. 492 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Coming up next with coach Lewis, I'll look back at 493 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: the two thousand and five draft. One that could have 494 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: gone down is among the best in team history if 495 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: not for a misfortune and tragedy. 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Marvin, you had some great drafts in Cincinnati. 503 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: Of any in Bengals history, this is the one that 504 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: might go down and probably does go down as the 505 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: most heartbreaking. You took David Pollock in round one, he 506 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: played one year before his neck injury. He took Odell 507 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: Thurman in round two. He had the best rookie year 508 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: of any defensive player in franchise history, and then he 509 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: never played again because of off the field issues. And 510 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: then in round three it took Chris Henry, who was 511 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: terrific for four and a half seasons and obviously was 512 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: the most tragic story of all as he passed away 513 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: at the age of twenty six. How much different is 514 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: Bengals history if those players had long careers, no. 515 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: Question about it. David Pollack again, pold your breath moment 516 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: brought him to Cincinnati the end of the process. Biggest 517 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: Jim Ratt had man named at Georgia when he was 518 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: a young player and watched him after its freshman season. 519 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: Just incredible. He was going to be our Carson Palmer 520 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: of the defense, and you know, had brought Kevin Green 521 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: to training campus with Kevin their jersey there to help 522 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: mentor David, and David wasn't signing. Kevin had to leave. Literally, 523 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: Kevin drove the Cincinnati from Canton after being inducted in 524 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame to be there with 525 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: David Pollock. How about that? And you know, and David 526 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: was unsigny, so Kevin came and gone before David got 527 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: the camp. 528 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: Got to say hi, but not doing anything. 529 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: But you know, just incredible, O'Dell, Just what a fine, 530 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: fine player could have been a starting half back in 531 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: the National Football League. That's the kind of athlete. Ose 532 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: y'all was. Smarter a whip, took up got football. I 533 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: said to Mike Brown after the first practice of rookie camp, 534 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: He's just like Reddy Lewis. And literally seven years later 535 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: I said that again after the first day minicamp about 536 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: Oneteed perfect. 537 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: He's just like Ray and in what ways. 538 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: Instinctive, never wasted a step, smart as a whip, picked 539 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 2: up football like that made people around them better so sudden, 540 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: and when they hit you, it's like getting hit by 541 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: cinder block. You know, so just incredible. I did my 542 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: last season going to Georgia for the pro day. I 543 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: was at Georgia. Somebody came up from behind me and 544 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 2: hugged me, and I turned around and it was Odell 545 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: and I had the biggest smile on my face. I 546 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: was so glad that he was there doing well. Coach 547 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: Rick took care of him. Kirby has taken care of 548 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: him since, you know, giving him a role there at 549 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: the University of Georgia. And I'm just so relieved he 550 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: was doing well. And he's like, Coach, I don't have 551 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 2: anything went on play, so literally we had Adam No 552 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: make up the jersey for Odell and senate to him, 553 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: framed it, sent it to him, you know, just I mean, 554 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: you're right. And Chris Henry, I mean, I remember a 555 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving the writers were writing that we had three first 556 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: round picks. You know that, you know, two thirds of 557 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: the way, three fourths away three that season that you 558 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: know we had won the draft with three first round picks. 559 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: You know, you Jackson came back from West Virginia just 560 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: raving about Chris Henry and they had watched one on 561 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: one film with him and Adam Jones, and him just 562 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 2: taken Adam a park Adam or that. 563 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see Adam out. 564 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: But that's how impressive it was was to see those 565 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: two compete. And they had watched Lily a one on 566 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: one practice tape when they were at WVU and you 567 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: know Christly with special And yes, it was so unfortunate. 568 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: He had basically turned his life around. And when the 569 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: accident in the curb. 570 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: You coached so many great linebackers in Pittsburgh and Baltimore 571 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: and elsewhere, and I think people forget how impactful Odell 572 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: was his rookie year. Five interceptions, five forced fumbles, a 573 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: ton of tackles. He was on his way to being 574 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: one of the best linebackers in the league. 575 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: No question about it, no question about it. He just 576 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: was so instinctive, so sudden. We were able to use 577 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 2: him as a blitzer, as a cover guy. He could 578 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: do it all, and you know, and he was smart 579 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: enough to get it right for the most part if 580 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: he jumping offside when he was glitzing, but other than that, 581 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: But no, we were we were really fortunate. And uh, 582 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: you know, uh, he just you know, was dealing with 583 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: a lot of you know, demons, in his life that 584 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 2: you learned. 585 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, So from your sixteen Bengals drafts, do you have 586 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: a pick that isn't as obvious as some of the 587 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: ones that I've mentioned that you thought was especially impactful. 588 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously these first rounders the picked were so 589 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: impactful on our squad. You know, tyer Riifer let me 590 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: change the game for it. You know, he really did. 591 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: And you know it means such such a difference in 592 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: what we were doing and everything that way. You know, uh, 593 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: you know Chris Perry before he gets hurt, you know, 594 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: such the athleticism, the ability to catch the run, to 595 00:34:53,960 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: do everything with tremendous you know, uh, Leon All and 596 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 2: what he and John Joseph were able to do. Leon 597 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 2: was a great mentor to John Joseph. Uh and watching 598 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 2: those two grow up together, you know, it was just 599 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: it's just incredible. Guy down like Georgia I Loca fourth 600 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: round pick. You know, you know Sean this, you know, 601 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 2: we were just so lucky and uh, you know that's 602 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 2: the part of the uh, maybe from recruiting in college, 603 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: through being involved in the draft process. You know, in 604 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh in my first year, we draft Levon Kirkland in 605 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 2: my position. Next year, we draft Chad Brown, next year 606 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 2: we draft Jason Gilden, I mean Dante and so they 607 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: all three of them became Pro Bowl players, and it 608 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: just they included me in the process, and I was 609 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 2: very very fortunate that and uh and so when I 610 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 2: moved on to Baltimore, the first pick we'd pick on 611 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: defense is Ray Lewis. And literally I was still in 612 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh when I went to the Combine that year, and 613 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: I had watched plays at Miami and I shut the 614 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 2: tape off and one got Dick Leabow and it's a dick. 615 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: You got to see this guy. Five plays, That's all 616 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 2: I watched. I went to the combine, introduced myself and 617 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 2: I said, you know, I'm Marvin Lewis'm the linebacker coach 618 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 2: at Pittsburgh. Steve, you're a hell of a player. I'll 619 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 2: never get to coach you, but good luck to you. 620 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: Two weeks later, I was the defensive coordinator in Baltimore 621 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: and we picked him at number twenty six because he 622 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 2: didn't run that but boy was his sudden. And I 623 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 2: would tease Jesse Armstead and Michael Barrow down the line 624 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: that if they hadn't come out before him at Miami. 625 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 2: When I was in the process with the Steelers, they 626 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 2: would not have been a Ray Lewis. You know, that 627 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: would not have been so lucky. But those guys helped 628 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 2: me because I wasn't as high on them coming down 629 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: in the draft and they were very, very productive NFL player, 630 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: So they taught me a lesson of what Ray could be. 631 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 2: And uh, and that's the fun of the process. And 632 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta dig deep into it and get 633 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 2: into it. And and that's the thing that I loved 634 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: about Mike Brown. As soon as the seasons over, Mike's 635 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: ready to draft. I mean, this is the this week. 636 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: He can't wait to get to the draft. You know, 637 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 2: he loves it. And uh and that's so great because 638 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 2: he's involved, he's excited about it, and uh you know, uh, 639 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: but I'm literally as soon as the season he's ready 640 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 2: to get to the draft. And uh, you know so. 641 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: And then once the draft's over, he's ready to get 642 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 2: to the season. Let's cut the that's cut the team 643 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: and get to the season. And you know, because he this, 644 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 2: this is what he does, this is his lifeblood. It's 645 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 2: all he worried about is the football team. And winning. 646 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: Do you guys stay in frequent contact? 647 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 2: Yes, I I check in, you know, once a month 648 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 2: or so, and uh, you know, uh, you know, when 649 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 2: you spend sixteen years, you know, and probably for the 650 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 2: first eleven or twelve talk to somebody every single day. 651 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 2: You know. People can't believe that we would sit out 652 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 2: and meet every day and it might be five minutes, 653 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: it might be fifty five minutes. But that's all he does. 654 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven, three sixty five. The man went 655 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 2: on one vacation when I was here two years. I 656 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 2: think this is what he cares about, is that football 657 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 2: team and winning. And obviously this year with them making 658 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: the move they did and bringing back tight end and 659 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 2: both receivers, and now that they go into the draft prostics, 660 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 2: they got to sway it a little bit to the 661 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: defensive side. 662 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: I would imagine, you know, I've been thinking of something 663 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: you said, Marvin, as the Bengals prepare for this draft, because, 664 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, after re signing Tea and Jamar and 665 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: obviously Joe's extension last year, they're going to have to 666 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: be younger and cheaper on defense. That's just the way 667 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: it is. I just thinkly, remember you at some point 668 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: saying you need young legs on defense, and that's ringing 669 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: in my head right now as they prepare for this draft. 670 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 2: You really that's the beauty of the draft. And it 671 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 2: was kind of funny that the year of the lockout 672 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 2: we reverse the process so you're able to go through 673 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 2: the draft and then fill in with free agency after 674 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: the draft, which would be the ideal way to do it, 675 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 2: which then your whole draft board would be opened. You know, 676 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: you really wouldn't worry about we got to make sure 677 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 2: we get a guy at some point here or there. 678 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 2: You can just pick the best players throughout and then 679 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: fill in with free agents if you could do that process. 680 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: But no, I really believe that, you know, particularly you know, 681 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 2: you're what the colleges are doing now that you can 682 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 2: get guys, you know, defensive linemen, the interior guys, edge guys. 683 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: There's so many edge guys that can change the game. 684 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 2: I mean, you look at last year's draft class and 685 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 2: how many edge guys came out and were productive as rookies, 686 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 2: you know, because that's what they're doing in college. And 687 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 2: then you look at the corners and the safeties because 688 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 2: they have to be able to cover so those are 689 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: the things. And you know, and unfortunately the fungible position 690 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 2: as a linebacker. You know, but you can be the 691 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 2: game has changed so much. Well now you're looking for athletes, 692 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 2: and that's what they had in Cincinnati in the two 693 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 2: interior and I think one of the guys left now, 694 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 2: but that's what they had and two good athletes inside 695 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 2: and fifty seven and fifty five. You know, both guys 696 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 2: were good athletes. And that's what we were able to 697 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 2: have back in the day when we had Caleb Miller 698 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 2: and Landon Johnson. They weren't big, but they were athletes, 699 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 2: you know, through that little stretch and then we ended 700 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 2: up getting a little bigger as we went. 701 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: When you evaluated players, what did you prioritize and what 702 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: were your non negotiables? 703 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,919 Speaker 2: They had to be competitive non negotial right there. And 704 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 2: I think the second thing, they had to be smart 705 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 2: enough to handle the changes and that you do game 706 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 2: plan wise and even sometimes in between series. You know, 707 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: I was blessed as a young coach to be around 708 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 2: the Rod Woodson uh to see how smart guys could 709 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 2: be and and and be impactful that way. And so 710 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 2: but those were the things, you know, and then as 711 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 2: far as you know what you're looking for, we're looking 712 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 2: for guys that were you know, I said this from 713 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 2: the start, big strong, physical men. We were competing in 714 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: the most physical division in the National Football League and 715 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 2: we had to go be more physical than Baltimore Pittsburgh. 716 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 2: And at the time I was there, Cleveland was drafting 717 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 2: at the top of the draft every year. So I 718 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 2: mean a yukawuiji board and hit on somebody, you know, 719 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 2: with your eyes shut. 720 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,439 Speaker 1: They got the second pick this year. So some things 721 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: have changed. 722 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 2: But we had to be able to withstand. And I 723 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 2: think about from when I started in those first signing 724 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 2: of free agents Reggie Kelly, because we had to be 725 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 2: able to block the perimeter guys that Baltimore and Pittsburgh had, 726 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 2: and Reggie Kelly was that guy for us. But then 727 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 2: the leadership that we brought in, But those are the 728 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 2: things they announced answer your question. We needed to get 729 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,320 Speaker 2: bigger and stronger and more physical. I mean, when Michael 730 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 2: Johnson and Carlos Dunlaugh and those guys got off the bus, 731 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 2: they were big men, and that's what we wanted to 732 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 2: look like. And the same thing on the conversing on 733 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 2: the other side of the ball was with the offensive line. 734 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 2: They had to be big, strong, physical people, and we're 735 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 2: able to always put good runners behind him. Physical runner, 736 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 2: you know, from Corey to Rudy. J just said obviously 737 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 2: the Joe Mixon and all the other guys that came, 738 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 2: you know in between Ben Jarvis. You know, Uh, that's 739 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,919 Speaker 2: the kind of football we played, and so we had 740 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 2: to be great at that and drafted that. You know, 741 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 2: when we had Rudy, we draft Chris Perry because we 742 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 2: felt like he offered a change up in a different style. Uh, 743 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 2: and the same thing with with oh, our guy from 744 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 2: North Carolina, you know, the accident, the guys that we 745 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 2: had during those times, you know, Geo he had to 746 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 2: you know, so we were always trying to make sure 747 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 2: that we had flexibility and versatility and what we were 748 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 2: doing within the football team. 749 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,000 Speaker 1: Do you still feel that way about the AFC North 750 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: or did your opinion of it for standing out in 751 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: that sense change from the last couple of years you 752 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:58,720 Speaker 1: spent with the Raiders. 753 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 2: I was get involved against it this year, so yes. 754 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 2: And Cleveland is that now they're a physical football team, 755 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, up front on offense, and uh, they you know, 756 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 2: their backs were a little bit dinged up and injured 757 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 2: this year, but but that's what they do. And obviously 758 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 2: Baltimore hasn't changed in Pittsburgh has yet to change, so 759 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 2: it's really it's still the same. I mean, you know, 760 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 2: the Bengals, because of the quarterback and the skill on offense, 761 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 2: they go about it a different way. 762 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: You know, So this one might be difficult. But do 763 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: you remember any specific times where there was a player 764 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: who was taken just before the Bengals selection where it 765 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: really broke your heart? 766 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 2: There always is right, you know what I mean, there's 767 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 2: no question about it if there always is a player 768 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 2: and you know that that maybe goes right before you. 769 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 2: You know the thing, and that's why you know that. 770 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 2: You know, people think you go into the draft, uh, 771 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 2: you know, you have certain targets. You hope you can 772 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 2: get some, but you know you got to be know 773 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,959 Speaker 2: that the other teams are doing their work as well, 774 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,799 Speaker 2: and sometimes the guy just doesn't quite get to you. 775 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 2: And you know, the way Mike did the process was 776 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 2: really good. You know, we would be four or five 777 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 2: picks from our from our pick and we would have 778 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 2: you know, he wanted to have six names, five or 779 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 2: six names to say again, these are the guys that 780 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 2: were targeting, and we feel everybody feels good about this guy. 781 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 2: And if you don't say so, and let's let's move 782 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,239 Speaker 2: on to the next one and maybe fill in later 783 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 2: on at that spot. But but, but that was a 784 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 2: good part of the process. 785 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: After you picked a guy, how quickly did you know 786 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: if he was going to be successful in the NFL. 787 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think we got a little bit of an indication, 788 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 2: you know, when we would bring them in for the 789 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 2: rookie can't put them on the field and start doing 790 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 2: stuff with them, and you know, really when you can, 791 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 2: you know, But like I said earlier, you know in 792 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 2: the NFL, there's really no restriction on what you can't 793 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,359 Speaker 2: can and can't do. You really should know a lot 794 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 2: about the player. Is much about kick me for the 795 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 2: first three four rounds. You know. Now maybe down the 796 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 2: line you don't know quite as much and you're going 797 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 2: off the time the scouts spent on campus. If we 798 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,359 Speaker 2: did have a coach, go to the campus and then 799 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 2: the videotape, And that was the thing in the process 800 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 2: that I'd love to do too. I mean, I would 801 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 2: try to watch through to three hundred of the players, 802 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 2: many of the players that I could like. If I 803 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 2: knew there was multiple players on a team, then I 804 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 2: wanted to watch that that side of the ball versus whoever, 805 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 2: So that I knew something about some of these guys 806 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,760 Speaker 2: that were maybe down the line in the sixth seventh 807 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 2: round that way, so you know, you really, you know, 808 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 2: you get to feel pretty pretty pretty close, you know, 809 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 2: early on. And and the fact that that you know, 810 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,800 Speaker 2: we wanted to try and get those guys involved early, 811 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,240 Speaker 2: and that was another part of it. You know, let's 812 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 2: do what they do. Let's make sure we're bringing a 813 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 2: guy to Cincinnati that if he is a deep ball catcher, 814 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 2: let's throw deep balls to him, you know, that's what 815 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,719 Speaker 2: he does. If he's an underneath guy, let's make sure 816 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,800 Speaker 2: we can have give him success and what he does, 817 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 2: you know. And if he's a running back and has 818 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 2: great hands, let's make sure we feature him that way. 819 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 1: All right, a few more non draft questions and I'll 820 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,120 Speaker 1: let you go. You came to pay Corps this year 821 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 1: to face the Bengals. You saw Joe Burrow in peak form. 822 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: He tied his career high with five touchdown passes that day. 823 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 1: What impressed you most seeing Joe Burrow in person. 824 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 2: I think his ex accuracy number one. He doesn't get 825 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 2: as much credit for how he can move in the pocket. 826 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,320 Speaker 2: And the fact that I think he took what the 827 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 2: defense gave him. You know, we we we tried to. 828 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 2: I don't think Higgins played that day, so we were 829 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 2: able to just you know, kind of shift everything over 830 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 2: to Chase and so the tight end killed. 831 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:18,359 Speaker 1: Us receiving yards in that game. 832 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 2: So you know, so those things I think. You know, 833 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 2: I was fortunate enough to be there the year before 834 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 2: when when Chad went into the Ring of Honor, and 835 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 2: that was the first time I had ever seen Joe 836 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 2: Burrow up close on the on the field before the 837 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 2: game when they were doing the pregame and how big 838 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 2: he was. I didn't realize that. So he's an impressive player, 839 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 2: you know. Uh. The receivers and the tight end were 840 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,840 Speaker 2: so impressive physically, uh that day as well. You know, 841 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 2: I noticed, you know, I saw them that same day 842 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 2: I was on the field and Green gave I mean, 843 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 2: they're well put together football team on that side of 844 00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,040 Speaker 2: the ball, and uh, and you know, I mean he 845 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 2: is arguably you know that it's not the top but 846 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,280 Speaker 2: in the top two three quarterbacks in National Football League, 847 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,879 Speaker 2: and you know, he goes out and proves it day 848 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 2: in and day out. 849 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: Marvin, before Vegas, you were back in college football for 850 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: a few years at Arizona State. What do you think 851 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 1: of Bill Belichick becoming the head coach at North Carolina? 852 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 2: I think number one. You know, obviously he gives an 853 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,440 Speaker 2: instant credibility to what they're doing. He's surrounded himself with 854 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 2: his people who really do a great job at what 855 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 2: they do. I know, coaches, administration and Mike Lombardi. So 856 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 2: you know, he's put together a really good cast of 857 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 2: characters to help them build the program. That way, the 858 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 2: thing that I think the biggest struggle Bill is going 859 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 2: to have, and I don't know if if the time 860 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,799 Speaker 2: constraints that you have in college football, which really makes 861 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,280 Speaker 2: no sense because now we're paying the they're paying these guys, 862 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,399 Speaker 2: and now you're limiting them so many hours, seventeen hours 863 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 2: a week basically because the game comes for three And 864 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 2: that's the biggest difference in college football. You know, the 865 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 2: time we spent in the National Football League with these 866 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 2: guys and then in college now you're ratcheted back to 867 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 2: those hours and so I think that's going to be 868 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 2: a big adjustment, the fact that the portal just opened again. 869 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 2: So you know, the comings and goings of the guys 870 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,879 Speaker 2: who get their feelings hurt. That's the other difficult part, 871 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And I'm sure there'll be 872 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 2: Jettis and some guys and you know, we won't feel 873 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,880 Speaker 2: the love and so they'll be leaving that way. But 874 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,759 Speaker 2: that's part of the college football process these days. 875 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: You are seven years younger than Pete Carroll. He just 876 00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: jumped back into the head coaching pool. Would you like 877 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: to keep coaching in some capacity. 878 00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 2: No, I think I'm good. I'm done. You know, I'm bored, 879 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 2: let me tell you that. But I don't know what 880 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:12,120 Speaker 2: I'll do. But it was great. I was glad that 881 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 2: trying to help the people that have helped over the 882 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 2: last few years. You know, I stay in touch with 883 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 2: you know, with Kenny at Asu. I've been down there 884 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 2: three four times. I'll be there tomorrow to look at 885 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,320 Speaker 2: their clinic. You know, I've been down at University of 886 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 2: Arizona UNLB, you know. So you know a lot of 887 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 2: these coaches that I know, you know, stay in touch with, 888 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:39,319 Speaker 2: But no, I think I'm done. You know the other 889 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,160 Speaker 2: side of it is my wife's put up with this 890 00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 2: stuff for over forty seven years. 891 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,120 Speaker 1: Yes she has, and. 892 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,479 Speaker 2: So you know, as she says, it's her time now. 893 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 2: And so now I'm here for every service, repair man 894 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 2: and everything and all those things that come with running 895 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 2: the household and taking those offs for late and so 896 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 2: that's what I do now. 897 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: And being a great grandfather. 898 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and those my three dudes. You know we got today, 899 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 2: We got basketball tonight, we had soccer when tuesday, we 900 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 2: got golf school on Saturday. Grayson had piano and hip 901 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:24,480 Speaker 2: hop yesterday. You know. So they're busy guys, and to 902 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 2: watch them grow up has been really cool. 903 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: I probably should have phrased that differently, being an excellent 904 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: grandfather as opposed to a great grandfather. That sounds like, 905 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about another generation. Final question for you, Marvin. 906 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,840 Speaker 1: We've all heard the saying you want to leave something 907 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,320 Speaker 1: better than you found it. I think that's certainly true 908 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: of your time in Cincinnati. You finished with a winning record, 909 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,440 Speaker 1: seven playoff trips, four division titles. What are you proudest 910 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 1: of from your ten years the Bengals head coach. 911 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 2: I think I'm probably proudest of the fact that watching 912 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 2: the men grow and the father's productive husbands. I think that, 913 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 2: to me is the coolest part. I've missed their calls, 914 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 2: but they've did these zoom calls last couple of Sundays 915 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,959 Speaker 2: and there's twenty guys on there, and you know, it's 916 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 2: really cool. And we didn't win a championship, but I 917 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 2: which is why we do this, but to see these 918 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,399 Speaker 2: guys be productive adults after their careers, it's really cool. 919 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 2: And I know that's what gives Mike the most satisfaction. 920 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 2: You know the fact that Mike never wanted to see 921 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,320 Speaker 2: a player that couldn't be productive the rest of his life, 922 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 2: and that's really cool. You know, Sam Hubbard just got 923 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 2: married last weekend, and the whole Sam Hubbard story from 924 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 2: when he's in high school with Moller and and I'm 925 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 2: up there at House State with Earth and Sam calls 926 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,479 Speaker 2: Irvine and Irvan puts me on the phone with Sam 927 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,000 Speaker 2: Hubbard and says, hey, here's your next coach. And the 928 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,080 Speaker 2: fact that we were fortunate enough to draft Sam and 929 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,359 Speaker 2: you know so, and then watching what the impact he's 930 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 2: having in in the Cincinnati community with his foundation is 931 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,279 Speaker 2: Mont property. That stuff's really cool, you know, to see 932 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 2: what these guys have grown and done and being productive. 933 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 2: You know Vontez is here in Arizona and seeing him 934 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,759 Speaker 2: coach junior high football, have a trucking business. You know 935 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,200 Speaker 2: Wallace Gilberry who we didn't draft but we brought into Cincinnati, 936 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 2: ended his career, made us a better football team, and 937 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 2: he has a very successful trucking business. So that stuff, 938 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,319 Speaker 2: I mean, that's this thing that that makes it cool. 939 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 2: You know, you've mentioned Andrew, We know David College and 940 00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 2: all these guys and what the greatest things they did. 941 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,439 Speaker 2: But you know, I just think that they're being able 942 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,839 Speaker 2: to see them being productive. Aj you know Aj Green, 943 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,720 Speaker 2: the father in him, the husband. That's the coolest. 944 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: Put Marvin, this has been a real treat. You've been 945 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,280 Speaker 1: very generous with your time. I can't thank you enough 946 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,839 Speaker 1: and I really really do appreciate it. Thank you so much. 947 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,480 Speaker 2: You welcome, Dan Good to do it my pleasure. 948 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,840 Speaker 1: Coming out early next week on the next edition of 949 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth podcast, draft predictions from Dave Lapham and me. 950 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 1: But that's going to do it for this episode of 951 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: the pod. Brought to you by Paycore proud to be 952 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals official HR software provider. By Alta Fiber future 953 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 1: proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, business and 954 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 1: community to a new level, and by Kettering Health the 955 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: best care for the best fans. 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