Speaker 1: Now now, hello everybody. I'm Jason Alexanders, I'm Peter Told
Speaker 1: and today I'm really no, really, we're going to go.
Speaker 1: We're no. Man, it's gone before. Actually a lot of
Speaker 1: men and women have actually gone. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. Because today we're talking about Peter space and
Speaker 1: the question is this space junk became an issue? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm reading how much space drink. There are millions
Speaker 1: and millions of pieces of pace drunk up there. And
Speaker 1: what we're not talking like the Chinese balloon that came
Speaker 1: by golf ball size, big pieces, larger pieces, right, stuff
Speaker 1: that's been look at Tesla is up there. So we've
Speaker 1: been cocking up. We did the oceans, we do everything.
Speaker 1: We have to ship our stuff to China, everything, and
Speaker 1: they said no moss, not not not language. Um. But
Speaker 1: then I realized with all of the stuff that's going
Speaker 1: up there, my take, yeah, is we're gonna be landlocked.
Speaker 1: There's so much stuff up there. And there's something called
Speaker 1: I think it is the Kessler effect. Is that very
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. Where on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if junk is just junk, okay, in space, junk hits
Speaker 1: other junk, creating more junk, so it keeps exponentially that
Speaker 1: you were going to do the coln routine for a minute,
Speaker 1: where here it's junk up there it's stuff. It is stuff.
Speaker 1: But when space junk hits other space drunk, it breaks
Speaker 1: apart and becomes more space and more space drunk, and
Speaker 1: I forget. It's a problem that compounds, is what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's going seventeen thousand miles an hour. Well that's
Speaker 1: that's a nice rate. So my take is we're gonna
Speaker 1: be landlocked. Your take on space drunk, we'll fix it everything.
Speaker 1: There's no problem we can't fix. Really, yeah, no, really really,
Speaker 1: So who do you get to talk about space drunk?
Speaker 1: I'm always suspect because when I see spacewalks, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: there's that much space junk, are they either shooting it
Speaker 1: from an angle where they're hiding it or shouldn't deny
Speaker 1: doing a spacewalk, be diving and chucking to the side
Speaker 1: and doing all maneuvers to get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Right and by the way, the spacewalks we're busy. If
Speaker 1: you could spit speed it up a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: going for the wrench. I'm bending down a lot of time.
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of time speed up. Who wouldn't
Speaker 1: know we are about do we naturally slow down and
Speaker 1: out of space? Because let me tell you, if I'm
Speaker 1: on a spacewalk, gonna go very fast. We'll be in
Speaker 1: and out and back in fast. You can say, jimminy cricket.
Speaker 1: Guess who we got. I'm really excited about this. We
Speaker 1: got somebody who can't talk about space junk and who's
Speaker 1: been up there and done I think he did two spacewalks.
Speaker 1: His name is Garrett Reisman. He's a mechanical engineer and
Speaker 1: a former NASA astronaut who's been up on the space station.
Speaker 1: I think a couple of times and did my right, Garrett,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with junk, but you've been up there
Speaker 1: three times. But I read that you did two spacewalks.
Speaker 1: And the two spacewalks the thing that got me it
Speaker 1: said over the course of fourteen hours. That's how long
Speaker 1: they take. Well, first of all, thank you very much
Speaker 1: for having me on. It's great to see. Yeah, so um,
Speaker 1: I did actually three spacewalks, you know, not that I'm
Speaker 1: counting up. Thank you in the research. Thank you beautiful,
Speaker 1: nice job, and they didn't make a big deal. So
Speaker 1: big three three space walks fourteen hours. You want to
Speaker 1: change your assessment of how long were the three space
Speaker 1: walk fourteen hours each? Each one was about seven and
Speaker 1: a half a little bit over seven and a half hour,
Speaker 1: really yeah, and so yeah, so in total over twenty
Speaker 1: two hours. So let me it's so space drunk space?
Speaker 1: Are you worried you're going out there? Man? You're tethered.
Speaker 1: You're tethered and they got all the things to hold onto. Yea,
Speaker 1: what do I say, Reisman? You know? Is it Reeseman?
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say anything. You know, you say potato,
Speaker 1: I say potato, You say cardiovascular disease. Space want Giggenheim.
Speaker 1: Make sure that Peter did the name wrong. Peter, Peter
Speaker 1: got the number of spacewalks wrong. Just start a list.
Speaker 1: Peter said stuff is moving at seventeen thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think everybody calls me Reisman, actually,
Speaker 1: because I think now you're gonna my Peter got partial
Speaker 1: credit on the name. Were you were up there? One
Speaker 1: hundred and seven day, one hundred seven days, one hundred
Speaker 1: seven days, three hours and fifteen minutes. That could be right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I days three hours, it's right. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: you're geting. But like these crazy nerds that like hang
Speaker 1: out with these like stop watches and time it to
Speaker 1: the second. But one hundred and seven days, one business,
Speaker 1: one piece. Never correct me, Laurie, I will say his
Speaker 1: name wrong. No one will. No, no, don't ever correct me.
Speaker 1: How dare you Reeseman Reisman? Who cares? He's a he's
Speaker 1: an astronaut. I got that right, Yeah, I was going
Speaker 1: with it whatever. See what you learn on the space
Speaker 1: station in close quarters is just go with it. You
Speaker 1: don't stress out over sure, right it is Garrett, right,
Speaker 1: that's okay. Yeah, although when something goes wrong, you go,
Speaker 1: where's Reeseman? And there's an Yeah right, he's just floating
Speaker 1: around over there. I come back, So it's actually gay.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't gonna say anything. So this is as
Speaker 1: fascinating as all this is, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: cut it short. Oh my god, space drunk. Why aren't
Speaker 1: we seeing you dive? And how what's the risk when
Speaker 1: you go out there? You know it's out there and
Speaker 1: it's flying. Yeah, so no, it is a huge risk.
Speaker 1: It's a big, big And how fast is it going? Here?
Speaker 1: About seventeen thousand, five hundred thousand, that's different, not seventeen
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen your orbit. It could be going faster
Speaker 1: if it's coming from Look, you could have just said seventeen.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to add, you could have gotten his
Speaker 1: name rights. So okay, let's get serious space. So you're
Speaker 1: about to go out. It's really dangerous. Yeah it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it going out and doing the spacewalk is just as
Speaker 1: dangerous statistically as launching or entering. And we've lost people,
Speaker 1: you know, Challenger launching, Columbia entrink. Fortunately I got I
Speaker 1: need some wood to knock on here, but m Fortunately
Speaker 1: we haven't had any problem in space walking. But but
Speaker 1: statistically it's just as much risk. So what're about the space?
Speaker 1: So this episode is about how much space drunk is
Speaker 1: up there and how much it is predicted that will
Speaker 1: be up there in this world. Let's take it with
Speaker 1: you man, what is the boy Scout logo? It's a
Speaker 1: takeaway a picture leave only foot prints. Isn't that where
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do? Yeah, but we've been cluttering up,
Speaker 1: we've been messing that up for a while. We've been
Speaker 1: leaving all kinds of junk up there and in certain orbits,
Speaker 1: especially low orbits where the space station is, where the
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle used to fly and where we send a
Speaker 1: dragon spacecraft. That's where that's where most of our junk
Speaker 1: is because that's where we've spent most of our time.
Speaker 1: There's also a bunch of junk up at the geostationary
Speaker 1: love which is much higher, filling that too. That's and
Speaker 1: is that where the space station orbits or is the station?
Speaker 1: Space station is lower? It's lower and lower. Yeah, space
Speaker 1: it's between sort of the two most dangerous zones. Is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying? It's actually right in the middle
Speaker 1: of one of the most dangerous cells. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: about two hundred and twenty seven also up, is it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. That's all very good, Peter, between two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty and four hundred and I heard I've read
Speaker 1: that the space stations had to do maneuvers because, yes,
Speaker 1: because of Russian junk and other junk clouds that have
Speaker 1: gone by, So why not the space walk back to
Speaker 1: space walk? Are you looking for that stuff? Or it's
Speaker 1: the thing is like you guys saw the movie Gravity,
Speaker 1: I was gonna reference and because if I had seen it,
Speaker 1: let me tell you the us end off my spacewalk.
Speaker 1: You know, we got like a recruiting took a dip
Speaker 1: after that movie come out. In that movie, they can
Speaker 1: like see it coming like, oh look therery here it comes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's ridiculous, That's that's bullshit, because the thing seventeen
Speaker 1: thousand and five family, sugar, Oh no longer in space.
Speaker 1: You're on ground. You're yeah, it's you can say it,
Speaker 1: we'll bleep. And I'm just saying, just saying, don't freaking curse, okay,
Speaker 1: just because you're in space three times no, so you
Speaker 1: cannot see it coming when you're the particles are that small.
Speaker 1: So seventeen thousand, five hundred that's our orbital velocity. That
Speaker 1: is about ten times faster than a rifle bullet. And
Speaker 1: you can't see a rifle bullet coming at you, right,
Speaker 1: it's invisible. So it's gonna be the same way with
Speaker 1: the space. But wait, wait, what are there pieces of
Speaker 1: things up there? Like I'm I was not kidding. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Musk did put a tesla up. There are
Speaker 1: there pieces that are that big or or similar, and
Speaker 1: you would see that, wouldn't you. You could potentially, but
Speaker 1: even that's but so you won't necessarily see it with
Speaker 1: your naked eye, but we can see it using sensors.
Speaker 1: So we have a lot of the Department of Defense
Speaker 1: looks up there for everything, and they could track anything
Speaker 1: down to like a couple of centimeters, so anything that's
Speaker 1: bigger than like a golf ball, they could track that,
Speaker 1: and they and that's what we move the space station
Speaker 1: periodically to get out of the way. Smaller stuff, though,
Speaker 1: is what you really worry about because that's hard to see,
Speaker 1: and for that we just rely on shielding. So the
Speaker 1: space station is covered with shields. They're called whipple shields
Speaker 1: because they're kind of like sandwiches. They got like a
Speaker 1: standoff piece of metal and then a shield lower down.
Speaker 1: And the stuff is coming so fast that you're not
Speaker 1: going to stop it with with a thin piece of metal,
Speaker 1: but you'll break it up into lots of little tiny
Speaker 1: pieces and then it kind of hits like rain on
Speaker 1: the hull if you if you put if you do that,
Speaker 1: So that's what we use on the space station, but
Speaker 1: you can't like put that on your space suit. So
Speaker 1: when you go there and doing the spacewalk, you're just
Speaker 1: playing the odds basically, So what's the plan. Let's stay
Speaker 1: in space junk for a little bit, then we can
Speaker 1: do your experience on the space station as an astronaut.
Speaker 1: What is a plan? Since we know what's incrementally increasing?
Speaker 1: And I was right with space dunk creates or the
Speaker 1: space junk, because as you said, if you get an
Speaker 1: impact and it breaks it and the shield breaks it
Speaker 1: into more pieces, that's just more junk, right, Yes, it
Speaker 1: doesn't stop the speed of that. That just bounces off
Speaker 1: and keeps going exactly, It keeps moving. And so the
Speaker 1: worst generators of this junk are when things either explode,
Speaker 1: so we have pressurized like old upper stages of rockets
Speaker 1: and things that get hot and then they burst apart
Speaker 1: and create lots of little pieces. What's even worse than
Speaker 1: that is when two satellites hit each other. And that's happened.
Speaker 1: It's rare, it's a big sky, but sometimes they actually
Speaker 1: can hit each other and if they collide then boom.
Speaker 1: That's even worse. And then the worst still, the very
Speaker 1: worst producer of this junk our anti satellite weapon tests.
Speaker 1: So We've done it a long time ago. The Russians
Speaker 1: have done it recently, the Chinese have done it fairly recently.
Speaker 1: So when they do that and they shoot a missle
Speaker 1: it when these satellites, then it creates thousands of pieces
Speaker 1: and depending on the orbit it could be it could
Speaker 1: really persistent stay up there. The higher it is, the
Speaker 1: longer it's going to last because there's nothing. You know,
Speaker 1: what goes up comes down if there's air, but if
Speaker 1: it's an orbit, it will stay there for a long
Speaker 1: time before. So you've said we've done it, China's done
Speaker 1: at Russia has done it. Is there any sort of
Speaker 1: standing or prevailing treaty that says, let's not do that
Speaker 1: for our mutual interest anymore? Or is that still it's
Speaker 1: kind of doing it. It's every time somebody does it,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of finger wagon. There's no treaty that
Speaker 1: says like you've violated a law or a resolution or something.
Speaker 1: But there were there should be. There were international laws
Speaker 1: that said you're supposed to within five years clean it up.
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's racing to do that. And
Speaker 1: I'm envisioning with the technology we have, making like a
Speaker 1: gigantic blue hinged receptacle and a green one in the block.
Speaker 1: You shoot them up, you open the hinge, and then
Speaker 1: every Tuesday you have somebody come up and pick them up.
Speaker 1: The hard part is, you know, sorting it. So you
Speaker 1: gotta figure out is this compost or is this? You know?
Speaker 1: Is there? You gotta look at the number one, so
Speaker 1: do they have it? Have you heard of you you
Speaker 1: were NASA, you would know is there a plan? The
Speaker 1: best thing we could do is not make any more
Speaker 1: of this stuff. So what we do now that's different
Speaker 1: is we used to have these upper stages that would
Speaker 1: deliver say a capsule or a satellite up to up
Speaker 1: to orbit and and then we would just leave it
Speaker 1: up there and it would be an orbit itself until
Speaker 1: it eventually it might break apart. So what we do
Speaker 1: now is we keep a little tiny bit of gas
Speaker 1: in the tank and we burn the engine one more
Speaker 1: time so it comes down in one big piece, so
Speaker 1: we don't make any more junk. So that's one thing
Speaker 1: we could do to not make it worse. So you you, you,
Speaker 1: you you fire that engine to make it come down.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you fire the engine to send it out? Well,
Speaker 1: you know that takes a lot more gas, so it
Speaker 1: would it would you only have you use up almost
Speaker 1: all your gas. You keep a little bit of extra
Speaker 1: just in case, but when you get up to orbit,
Speaker 1: you have just a little bit left and not enough
Speaker 1: to leave Earth. At that point you'd have to have
Speaker 1: a lot more to like go to the Moon or
Speaker 1: to Mars or whatever. So you only have a little
Speaker 1: bit left, but it's enough to slow you down, so
Speaker 1: that Earth pulls you back and you'd burn up in
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. It sounds like how my mother used to
Speaker 1: keep gas in their car fast enough I can't get
Speaker 1: where I'm going, but she's got just enough to make
Speaker 1: it up the driveway. So before we leave space Junk,
Speaker 1: I've made an observation and maybe you can help me
Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, the space to Earth economy is huge
Speaker 1: in space to Earth, meaning you guys do testing all
Speaker 1: the time to benefit us you're on Earth. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the paradigm has shifted to space to space economy,
Speaker 1: where they're spending more and more. There's privatization, there's SpaceX,
Speaker 1: there's Amazon thing. It's putting a lot more in space.
Speaker 1: Is it because he's wealthy? Guys? Know they ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be getting it will get out in a while. So
Speaker 1: we're racing to get that Moon colony and to get
Speaker 1: the Mars because they know something we don't know that
Speaker 1: we're gonna be landlocked now. So I used to work
Speaker 1: for Elon Musk, right, and I can tell you that's
Speaker 1: never been a topic of conversations. I've got to hurry
Speaker 1: up before. Like if you remember Wally when like it's
Speaker 1: so literally they could barely get it doesn't really work
Speaker 1: that way. Um, you can avoid this stuff, and if
Speaker 1: you're just passing through the odds of hitting something are
Speaker 1: very very small in ten years, even even even if
Speaker 1: it gets worse if you're just passing through. The danger
Speaker 1: is when you hang out up there. So right now,
Speaker 1: it's a big concern for the space station, which is
Speaker 1: there all the time. And so the biggest risk over
Speaker 1: like any six month period that you're gonna send a
Speaker 1: crew up there, is getting hit by one of these things.
Speaker 1: It's actually the most the biggest thing we worry about,
Speaker 1: right Wow, But if you're just passing through on your
Speaker 1: way to the Moon, you're kind of okay. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: let's switch to the space station because knowing you were
Speaker 1: coming in and blew me away. I thought about it
Speaker 1: because I hear about it, and you guys wave and
Speaker 1: you sing songs, and the pizzas delivered and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But I didn't realize they didn't share with you, these
Speaker 1: astronauts these days that, by the way, dominoes in thirty
Speaker 1: minutes or it's free. You know, honestly, I made a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of calls. Yeah, because you have a phone
Speaker 1: up there. Oh and I call it seriously, did that?
Speaker 1: I called a couple of places a guarantee thirty minutes
Speaker 1: or less. Oh fantastic. Technically, at let's addressed that interesting
Speaker 1: thing about the space station. You can make calls to
Speaker 1: your family. It clears a bellance and emails, right, no
Speaker 1: problem because you're right near the satellites. What I didn't realize, though,
Speaker 1: is that the thing is as long as a football field.
Speaker 1: They say it's the size of a six bedroom house.
Speaker 1: But when you think about that, verybody listening because there's
Speaker 1: no volume, you can't use the ceiling is the floor
Speaker 1: of the floor, the ceiling. It's like twenty times the
Speaker 1: size of a six bedroom, right, because in my house
Speaker 1: with the ten foot cathedral ceilings, but I can't do
Speaker 1: anything on any ceiling. It's wasted space. Look at all
Speaker 1: the space in this room right wasting right now. So
Speaker 1: when you're up there, Okay. The bigger issue for me
Speaker 1: that was really fascinating is the weight listing. I read
Speaker 1: a lot about astronauts describing it, and one astronaut said,
Speaker 1: it's almost like you're just a conscience flow because you
Speaker 1: don't feel anything. You don't feel your clothing, you don't
Speaker 1: feel the blanket at night. So it really kind of
Speaker 1: messages your head up a little bit as far as
Speaker 1: realigning where your body is at any given time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but if you go too fast and you
Speaker 1: knock your head into the hatch, it still hurts. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure about that. But before we leave the space chalk,
Speaker 1: there's one more thing I wanted to tell you, which
Speaker 1: is on my very first spacewalk, I went out there
Speaker 1: with this guy, ricklan Ahan, and we had this We
Speaker 1: out there for seven and a half hours. We did
Speaker 1: all of our work and we come back inside and
Speaker 1: one of the things we had to do is we
Speaker 1: had to bring inside this handle. We called it a
Speaker 1: d handle. It's just a big hunk of metal like
Speaker 1: a steering wheel that you could take off and put on,
Speaker 1: and so if you're gonna move something, you could put
Speaker 1: it on there. Now you have a handle to grab
Speaker 1: this thing by, right, And we needed it for a
Speaker 1: subsequent spacewalk for like a couple days later, so we
Speaker 1: had to bring it inside so that the next crew
Speaker 1: could go use it. So we carried the thing inside.
Speaker 1: It's made out of like half inch thick solid aluminum.
Speaker 1: He's looking at it in his hands and he sees
Speaker 1: that there's a hole shot straight through all the way
Speaker 1: through that aluminum. It's about like a millimeter. It looks
Speaker 1: like somebody took a cocktail straw and just like Superman
Speaker 1: and just like punched it through the aluminum and made
Speaker 1: a clear hole straight through. And he looked down at that,
Speaker 1: and he looked back up into me and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, man, if that hit one of us. And
Speaker 1: he didn't have to complete that sentence, right, because it's
Speaker 1: not that you worry about like losing pressure in your suit.
Speaker 1: If you get hit by one of those things and
Speaker 1: the air leaking out, you're in one hundred percent oxygen.
Speaker 1: So the moment something with that kind of energy punctures
Speaker 1: your suit. You flame up immediately, and it's flame up,
Speaker 1: flame up, as the phrase, it's not a good day.
Speaker 1: It's not like in a Fantastic four kind of way,
Speaker 1: but in a sort of painful flame. Okay. I also
Speaker 1: heard that if your suit rips, if your suit rips,
Speaker 1: which happened in the test, all right, that it's your
Speaker 1: lungs collapse. You don't explode, But also that the moisture
Speaker 1: in your tongue, your eyes, you're it starts to boil off.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah, it's called So what happens is
Speaker 1: if you're exposed a hard vacuum unless your Princess Leia
Speaker 1: and then apparently you can get away with it. But
Speaker 1: if you're not, then um, then what happens is all
Speaker 1: the liquids in your in your tissues begin to change phase.
Speaker 1: It's like they're boiling. It goes from liquid to gas.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like Schwarzenegger on Total Recall with
Speaker 1: like their favorite their bulging eyes and all that. That's
Speaker 1: kind of what would happen. You would have this grotesque
Speaker 1: bulging and um edema and all the swelling. Anyway, that's
Speaker 1: that's me after Thanksgiving meals and by the way, I
Speaker 1: should mention because we talked about this before you went
Speaker 1: on the bonus of going up to the space station
Speaker 1: is all the all the food in your body goes up, correct? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: you also can't go to the bathroom become constipated. But
Speaker 1: you're two inches taller, yes, so, which which is the
Speaker 1: whole reason I signed up for this job. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not signing up there because, as you
Speaker 1: guys have probably noticed, I'm a little vertically challenged. And
Speaker 1: when when Rick was looking at that hole and said, oh,
Speaker 1: if this hit one of us, I pointed out that
Speaker 1: statistically it was much more likely to hit him, sure,
Speaker 1: because he's six foot four. Yes, right, And besides, I
Speaker 1: was like behind you most of the way, so I
Speaker 1: think I was pretty safe out there. You That's why
Speaker 1: that's why I've teamed up with Peter in case, in
Speaker 1: case we ever got retrimission for people to listening and
Speaker 1: not watchings on YouTube. Guards or about four four foot
Speaker 1: five Come on, okay, you're tall, you're mighty. I'm fine personal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're about to say ye five four, but wait, I
Speaker 1: want to go back to the spacewalk. So seven hours
Speaker 1: this is the first place my mind went, a I
Speaker 1: know where you're going. What happens if you need to
Speaker 1: go and be It's not like you can pop down
Speaker 1: an energy bar. You know, do you get hungry? I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess on the go sure diaper, you just go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, you just go. Yeah. I went like
Speaker 1: four times before they even opened a hatchet. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: let me carol, and twice doing this whatever I went,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I went myself. That's how you look.
Speaker 1: And then you just kind of your carve up before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your carve up before you go. And we used to
Speaker 1: have like a little kind of like a fruit roll
Speaker 1: up in the helmet that you can nibble on, but
Speaker 1: that got messy and it just it wasn't didn't really
Speaker 1: help very much. So we got rid of that water water.
Speaker 1: You have a you have a little you have a
Speaker 1: little camel pack kind of like a bite valve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you bite on that you can suck the
Speaker 1: water and drink. And the water's coming from in the space,
Speaker 1: in the spaces coming from the air. You're sucking water
Speaker 1: out of the area. Oh there's that. There's that whole thing.
Speaker 1: But let me get to that, but in the suit,
Speaker 1: it's just in a bag like just like there's like
Speaker 1: a camel back backpatch, so it's like it's up by
Speaker 1: your chest and there's a straw and you bite on
Speaker 1: the valve. So I'm out there in the middle of
Speaker 1: my very first spacewalk and everything's going fine. But then
Speaker 1: they see this blue thing floating inside my helmet, like
Speaker 1: coming like across my helmet like this, and I realized, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's the bite valvet felt off the straw. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, crap, I'm gonna be the first person to
Speaker 1: drown in space. Oh no, it's real. Yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: got really worried about this, so I put my mouth
Speaker 1: like I'm a strung I'm sorry to drink like as
Speaker 1: fast as I can. But then I soon realized that
Speaker 1: there's enough surface tension like kepler action in the straw
Speaker 1: that it wasn't coming out. I was fine, Does your
Speaker 1: mother just call you every day and go enough for
Speaker 1: what are you trying to prove? Enough? Stop it? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, no, my mom my mom lives down in
Speaker 1: Boca s not in Del Boca Vista, but nearby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's and she walks around hanging head her head
Speaker 1: and shame that her son did become a doctor or
Speaker 1: a lawyer. So she's like, got a doctorate, don't you
Speaker 1: have a doctor? Yeah, but I'm not the kind of
Speaker 1: doctor that could help you. I just she doesn't go
Speaker 1: around like Jason's mother did in all of Florida and
Speaker 1: go ask him out. So what is your just baits everybody,
Speaker 1: So what does your son do? Just so she can say, no,
Speaker 1: my son's time. It was even better than that. She
Speaker 1: she had a pin with my face as George, like
Speaker 1: a little like an election pin on her bag, and
Speaker 1: people would go, why do you have that pin? Why
Speaker 1: do I have that pin? I'll tell you why, And
Speaker 1: so she was off to the race. Yeah, your mother
Speaker 1: didn't sit at the pool or satellite pool eight and
Speaker 1: shade everybody, you know where my son is right now?
Speaker 1: Look up? There was Yeah, there were a few moments
Speaker 1: like that, not even mentioned it. But so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to to a thing because this is my area.
Speaker 1: This is where I get fascinated UFOs anything. Do you
Speaker 1: ever see a thing that you go not that you go,
Speaker 1: oh that's an alien ship, but do you see anything
Speaker 1: and go I don't know what that is, and that
Speaker 1: could make me think, yeah, you know, I was looking,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see anything. Nothing. No, no, no, not really.
Speaker 1: There are the guy's a thought that maybe something but
Speaker 1: and and and look, I believe and I'm looking now
Speaker 1: as some of the stuff that's coming out r and
Speaker 1: there are things that we don't understand. And now now
Speaker 1: we're starting to think, oh, maybe that's you know, some
Speaker 1: China sending balloons or stuff. So I do think that
Speaker 1: there's things that we can't explain, but I don't jump
Speaker 1: to the conclusion that that means they're alien visitors out there.
Speaker 1: I do think that there. I do think that there's
Speaker 1: almost definitely life somewhere else in this universe, right. I
Speaker 1: think we'll find it in our lifetimes on Mars, which
Speaker 1: would be incredible because we keep getting tenalizingly close. We
Speaker 1: keep finding out that there's liquid water and they're building
Speaker 1: blocks of life, and we keep getting more circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 1: And I think some day before too long, we'll find
Speaker 1: that little Martian microbe or something, and then we're two
Speaker 1: for two if we find that. And then, and with
Speaker 1: the billions of other galaxies out there, the fact that
Speaker 1: there could only be these two that would be incredible.
Speaker 1: We're making them hard for the Aliens because if we
Speaker 1: can't get out for the junk, they can't get in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what, it's not advanced that they're they're
Speaker 1: looking down. Why do we want to go there? It's
Speaker 1: like a bad vacation destination. You don't. Let's not go
Speaker 1: to Club Medical. I didn't like that there. So my
Speaker 1: fascination and we'll get to their interpersonal stuff because you're
Speaker 1: in a tight space, living in a bizarre really bizarre
Speaker 1: where you're ruckrowing yourself in a bag at night to sleep.
Speaker 1: But my fascination is with the Russia, the Russian partnership.
Speaker 1: Two reasons. Number one, the astronaut who is up there
Speaker 1: and I think he's now the guy responsible for NASSA
Speaker 1: and Russian communication was a guy who was up there
Speaker 1: when the Soviet Union fell, and he had to stay
Speaker 1: up there like an extra hundred and something days because
Speaker 1: there was such chaos on the ground with Russia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: knocking the Soviet Union anymore, he's going, wait what happened
Speaker 1: down on the ground. So he went up as a
Speaker 1: Soviet citizen, Sokay Crico, and he came home without a
Speaker 1: valid passport, which is stunning. Okay, but how do you
Speaker 1: guys do know Russian? Do you have to know some
Speaker 1: Russian before? So you have to What does that mean?
Speaker 1: It means yes? But is the food yes? Where you
Speaker 1: eat still in the Russian side of it? Do you
Speaker 1: still sit and have all the meals with the bay
Speaker 1: My kids love it when I scream at them in
Speaker 1: Russian because Russians a great language for being here. Let's
Speaker 1: hear it. Let's hear it the strugg and Prussian and
Speaker 1: that means I love you. It's a rough language. It's
Speaker 1: at us. So what is the relationship? Like, I know
Speaker 1: that the Soyers thing is leaking. Their side was leaking
Speaker 1: and they refused to have elon Musk's space like come
Speaker 1: up and pick them up. Where does that stand? Well? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that might be this. That's probably the space junk
Speaker 1: again rearing its ugly head. So they did. The weird
Speaker 1: thing though, is that we've had two nearly identical Russian
Speaker 1: spacecraft leak out all of their get get punctured and
Speaker 1: leak out all of their cooling system kind of in
Speaker 1: the same spot, kind of the same way, and also
Speaker 1: in a direction that is less likely. So it does.
Speaker 1: Since you know, the first one, we were like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that it got hit by some of the space junk
Speaker 1: is natural. There's little pieces like little tiny meteors that
Speaker 1: come from comments and stuff that that we didn't put
Speaker 1: up there, And some of that stuff is moving really
Speaker 1: really fast and can hit you from behind. Right, you
Speaker 1: get rear ended by this stuff, right, but the but
Speaker 1: most of the stuff that we put up there is
Speaker 1: going to hit you from the front or maybe from
Speaker 1: the sides. We don't sneak up. We don't know. Our
Speaker 1: junk is slow, slow, So I never use that phrase before.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a believable explanation. But then the
Speaker 1: second one happens, right, and now we're scratching our head
Speaker 1: a little bit, like, really did did they hit the
Speaker 1: same way the same direction, within a month of each other.
Speaker 1: It just seems kind of improbable. It could be the
Speaker 1: other thing, Garret. That was fascinating to me because it's
Speaker 1: so far up. I didn't realize if there's a rocket
Speaker 1: ready to go, like to bring people down, it's a
Speaker 1: four it's a four hour ride. It's like taking the
Speaker 1: four row five in LA that's going not that far
Speaker 1: but a four hour ride gets them, gets them up
Speaker 1: to the stay station space station and doc you can't
Speaker 1: if the place it is in the orbit, or you
Speaker 1: can control the orbit, you can actually get up there
Speaker 1: that quickly. Yeah you could. It took us about two
Speaker 1: days in the Shuttle to get there, but we did
Speaker 1: it slowly on purpose for other reasons. The t So
Speaker 1: let me just tell you, depending on what you're you
Speaker 1: make it time far. I always help us. Depending on
Speaker 1: the emergence, I get it, of course. You know. I
Speaker 1: once had a splinter. I waited for somebody for three minutes.
Speaker 1: It was agonizing. I just you know, I was kidney stone.
Speaker 1: If I'm passing a kidney stone, I gotta wait four hours.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. By the way, you we're docing
Speaker 1: count there's a good chance you're gonna get a kidney
Speaker 1: stone up there too, right, because you're you're losing counts.
Speaker 1: It's all the great stuff. But the training. I read
Speaker 1: that mark because I'm claustrophobic. Mark Kelly said he got
Speaker 1: into a fetal position into a rubber ball with a
Speaker 1: heavy zipper. Yeah, they zip you in, put you in
Speaker 1: a closet, and you don't know when or if they're
Speaker 1: coming back to test you, I would the zip up.
Speaker 1: I'm not even in, I'm not getting in. Did you
Speaker 1: have to do that? Yeah? So for market at Mark
Speaker 1: is also about our height, so it was actually cant
Speaker 1: for us. It wasn't that bad for the tall guys.
Speaker 1: That's that's a it's the same size ball. So that's
Speaker 1: what they do for screening when you're applying to become
Speaker 1: an astronaut before you get selected, just to make sure
Speaker 1: you're not claustrophobic. And they put me in there and
Speaker 1: they zip me up. It was like the most relaxed
Speaker 1: part of the whole. Oh my god, I fell asleep
Speaker 1: in there and they kept waking me up. I'm hyperventilating. Now,
Speaker 1: hy I could do that? I couldn't. I don't know if.
Speaker 1: I really don't know if I could do the let's
Speaker 1: see how many g's you can withstand machine? That seems
Speaker 1: they actually don't. They actually don't do that to check
Speaker 1: you out. Um. We actually ended up doing that centrifuge
Speaker 1: thing in Russia as part of my Russian training because
Speaker 1: there they'll haze you the death over there. But uh,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say it's always the Russian guy running
Speaker 1: that machine at the amusement park. Right, you'll go again,
Speaker 1: You'll go again, you know, you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: it's so, this is true. I'm sitting in that centrifuge
Speaker 1: over there, and it's this huge Russian It's in a
Speaker 1: giant building and I'm spinning around. The gs are picking up,
Speaker 1: and then then you know, all this is happening, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I'm thinking about that scene in Moonraker with
Speaker 1: the with the evil Nemesis is like is cranking the
Speaker 1: dial into the room and I'm sitting They're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what if my evil nemesis is going to
Speaker 1: do that to me? I'm strapped in. Here's nothing I
Speaker 1: could do. Then I remember I don't have an evil nemesis,
Speaker 1: you thought. I fascinating where you have to go through
Speaker 1: to get up there. Yeah, and then for me, the
Speaker 1: interpersonal relationship part of it, Yeah, it's tough up there.
Speaker 1: You're floating around, you're zipped and everything's unnatural. That's got
Speaker 1: to chip away at who you are. And then you're
Speaker 1: in close quarters with what four or five other people? Yes,
Speaker 1: when I was up there, we only had a crew
Speaker 1: of three. But how is that if you're people flip out,
Speaker 1: people have behavioral problems. Stuff happens. How do you talk
Speaker 1: through that? Or there shrinks on the line all day long?
Speaker 1: Do you go to that angry? Is that allowed? How
Speaker 1: do you deal with the interpersonal stuff, because that's got
Speaker 1: to be to put the seat down. Yeah, that happens.
Speaker 1: So we do do a lot of preparation, and we
Speaker 1: do have a psychologist to help us with that, and
Speaker 1: we do study what we call expeditionary behavior to prepare
Speaker 1: for long duration missions, where we study things like teamwork
Speaker 1: and self care and self management. And we do some
Speaker 1: of that with the National Outdoor Leadership School. So we
Speaker 1: go out into the wilderness and we go for like
Speaker 1: a week or two with just the stuff you have
Speaker 1: in your back, and you have to work together as
Speaker 1: a team, and we practice these and we have debriefs
Speaker 1: about these kind of interpersonal issues. We studied the Arctic
Speaker 1: explorers like Shackleton and Cook, and we looked at what
Speaker 1: they did right and what they did wrong. People eat
Speaker 1: other people too, you know what that happened? Yeah, which
Speaker 1: you know up there, I understand that food's not very
Speaker 1: good up there's nothing right, it's not if you know,
Speaker 1: they can't set all freeze dried, and yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: go for the food, well nothing, nothing for I didn't
Speaker 1: realize you can't have bread. You can. Everything that makes
Speaker 1: crumbs becomes a thing. Yeah, it doesn't fall down out
Speaker 1: to your napkin. It goes all over. So it's peanut butter.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's like oatmeal for breakfast. It's like an oatmeal. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's already mixed. Well, it's it's dried up. It's contained,
Speaker 1: and then you squirt hot water into it and then
Speaker 1: you shake it up and then you like, then it's
Speaker 1: all sticky. Wow. I would go, I'm out with a
Speaker 1: suction toilet, and I how do you go in space?
Speaker 1: It's a suction toilet. You're you're you're kind of a
Speaker 1: chance yourself, so there's no air and then you do
Speaker 1: it right. Yeah, so yeah, in lieu of gravity, use
Speaker 1: a little bit of air suction to make things go
Speaker 1: in the correct direction that you want it to go
Speaker 1: and be contained. It doesn't always work. Gravity is better.
Speaker 1: Let me just put it that way. You know, I
Speaker 1: have that. That's the mumper sticker around my car. You
Speaker 1: know that I'm out just with that. I'm just with
Speaker 1: that because I'm so sure. Here's what honestly, the things
Speaker 1: that I don't think. I don't think I could do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could go into space. I don't
Speaker 1: think I have the kind of guts and fortitude. But
Speaker 1: there are little things that that freaked me out, like
Speaker 1: if I'm witless. I've looked, you know, I've been to
Speaker 1: the Smithsonia. I've looked at the inside of the capsules
Speaker 1: and things like that. And I go a lot of buttons,
Speaker 1: a lot of levers. I'm always going to be afraid.
Speaker 1: Am I floating into a lever? And it's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: not the red button? You know, well, you elect the
Speaker 1: news ship when the one I worked on at SpaceX,
Speaker 1: it's just a touch screen. We got rid of a
Speaker 1: lot of those button Oh my god. And now these
Speaker 1: ships are much more automated, so you don't have that
Speaker 1: much manual contro role. So you go into the cockpit
Speaker 1: the shuttle. Yeah, there are thousands of things, and there's
Speaker 1: some that are very bad if you accidentally yea, in
Speaker 1: the Dragon, there's only a couple of those things, and
Speaker 1: they're actually covered with a guard, like a cover to
Speaker 1: open that first sure, you'll probably be Okay, my luck.
Speaker 1: The cover that get left up is not the toilet,
Speaker 1: that's the covers. You can't leave the toilet cover up
Speaker 1: the things they're floating with the shoot up, shooting up
Speaker 1: in G Force. We just had William Shan And I
Speaker 1: said to Bill, so, did they give you any kind
Speaker 1: of contingency plan if they shoot you off and not you, Bill,
Speaker 1: but somebody has a heart attack? Benson? He said, well,
Speaker 1: they tell me it is. The force going up would
Speaker 1: invigorate me, and the G Force coming down would invigorate me,
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't be a problem. I said, did you
Speaker 1: believe that's absolutely not? Is that? Is that? Is that
Speaker 1: a truth? Did they give you contingency? You're you're about
Speaker 1: three two one blast off? I think I'm having a
Speaker 1: heart attack? What happens? Wow? Well, so we do prepare
Speaker 1: for all kinds of medical emergencies, so if you have
Speaker 1: um so, first of all, for for Shatner, his whole
Speaker 1: thing was like fifteen minutes long. So if he's having
Speaker 1: going get the cardiac arrest, they'll put the paddles on
Speaker 1: him in fifteen minutes when he's back on the ground.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, that's really really sloating and every's looking at
Speaker 1: Bill Hardest stopped. There's only fifteen What are you seeing now?
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the overview effect that shatters dead and floating
Speaker 1: in the caraft Is that good for space section? Is
Speaker 1: that a real live to see? This is why he's
Speaker 1: an astronaut. The nonchalance is is this hard stoppedeen minutes
Speaker 1: He'll be back put his person, Bill's body out of
Speaker 1: the problem. He's starting to go, you're blocking my view
Speaker 1: of here. I'm gonna have the overview effect. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: just do this a little bit. My whole trip. I
Speaker 1: got to compress Bill Shatton and hell with him him
Speaker 1: on the way. Would you have said to Bill, Bill,
Speaker 1: you're ninety two, I would I wouldn't do this. Would
Speaker 1: you have advantse him against? It's okay because that that
Speaker 1: particular space flight, for all that vehicle is completely automated.
Speaker 1: So the good thing is it's gonna do. It's nobody
Speaker 1: inside as now I love you, Now, I love you
Speaker 1: an uber. Okay, So it's going. So you're in a
Speaker 1: blue Yeah, you're in the back seven uber and it's going,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna come back down and they have doctors
Speaker 1: waiting right there. So if it's they'll take care of
Speaker 1: you pretty quickly. But if you're going up to the
Speaker 1: space station, as you pointed out, it could be about
Speaker 1: twenty four hours before you come home if you have
Speaker 1: an emergency. So if you have like appendicitis and you
Speaker 1: need to get to a hospital, you're you're looking at
Speaker 1: about a day too is done. So we had to
Speaker 1: prepare for like anything that could happen and so, and
Speaker 1: you don't always have sometimes there are some astronauts that
Speaker 1: are physicians. And my first fight, the closest thing we
Speaker 1: had was he had that guy Rick I talked about it.
Speaker 1: He was a veterinarian, so he actually gave us a
Speaker 1: valuable so he could number one, clear your throat to
Speaker 1: stop you from barking or peeing. By the way, if
Speaker 1: I need to be new during he so do me
Speaker 1: a favor. If I gave you a toy, a puppet
Speaker 1: or point to my body, which areas are you capable
Speaker 1: of working on as far as surgery, Like what can
Speaker 1: you do? Well? I did practice. So if you don't
Speaker 1: have a doctor, then he's coming in. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: It's just it might be your mother got the doctor
Speaker 1: after all, Hey mom, look up good news but I
Speaker 1: get a surgery. Yeah, wow, you were prepared to do so,
Speaker 1: you really were prepared to do surgery. Not surgery is
Speaker 1: really hard in zero G because the fluids were all
Speaker 1: going to come out. Oh my god. Right, so so
Speaker 1: you got to be ridden. It's gonna be really tricky.
Speaker 1: So but we could do things like I was trained
Speaker 1: to put in a chest tube, tracheotomy. Uh, this kind
Speaker 1: of the thing that scared me the most actually was
Speaker 1: the dental Like just sticking somebody with the needle for
Speaker 1: Novakin was was what creeped me out more than anything,
Speaker 1: I think. But they burn wound care and basic intubation.
Speaker 1: We were trained to do that. Jesus. Oh, I know
Speaker 1: is we talked to competitive leaders. There's a Heimlich guy
Speaker 1: standing by always they're going up into space. They got
Speaker 1: nobody shouldn't they always should one or the four? You
Speaker 1: should be like a surgeon. Maybe wouldn't that be an idea? Possibly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, I think we're ready. You know, there's nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the guy who puts on a suit and
Speaker 1: walks out with there's things that could kill him at
Speaker 1: any second. At seventeen thousand miles an hour, you think
Speaker 1: he's going to get nervous about it happened back to me,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious. I'm curious at the end of the
Speaker 1: year when you're looking at your bills and stuff and
Speaker 1: it's time to re up your insurance. Yeah, when they
Speaker 1: ask are you doing anything a lot of the ordinary
Speaker 1: or like you write a motorcycle, do you bunch you jump?
Speaker 1: You go? No, I'm shot in the rocket in your space.
Speaker 1: And I'm what do they charge you? What do they
Speaker 1: charge you for insurance? The insurance doesn't cover it. So
Speaker 1: and that's that's it. So, first of all, everything risk
Speaker 1: I've ever done in my life, I've justified by saying,
Speaker 1: at least I've never ridden a motorcycle that's like a
Speaker 1: space shuttle, flying airplanes, all these things I do. But
Speaker 1: that's my one kind of you not a crazy person.
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. The other thing is, I remember you
Speaker 1: try not to get your hopes up. But when you're
Speaker 1: going through the interview process, at the end stages, the
Speaker 1: FBI comes and knocks on your neighbor's door and does
Speaker 1: a background check on you. And that's the one time
Speaker 1: you want the FBI knocking on your neighbor's door because
Speaker 1: it means that you're you have a bout of fifty
Speaker 1: fifty shot of making it at that point. So that's
Speaker 1: that's good news. So and remember once you get there,
Speaker 1: it's hard not to get your hopes up. What are
Speaker 1: they asking your neighbor? You know, does he like have
Speaker 1: a drug problem? Does your neighbor? My neighbor doesn't know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. The neighbor goes, they don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Do you tell the neighbor that does come.
Speaker 1: I was living in Manhattan Beach and you know, those
Speaker 1: houses are very clear clear, so they can hear if
Speaker 1: you're doing drug. I think you're snorting something last night.
Speaker 1: I think I had analogy. Gee, oh my god. All right,
Speaker 1: so you hope the neighbor. So I'm getting my hopes up.
Speaker 1: And one of the things they told us and the
Speaker 1: briefing was that actually your insurance won't cover you if
Speaker 1: you have a mishap in space and so your life
Speaker 1: insurance won't come. So I'm sitting there at home and
Speaker 1: you get jumping. Whenever the phone. This is back in
Speaker 1: the day we actually like home phones, and whenever my
Speaker 1: phone would ring, I get jumping because it could be
Speaker 1: NASA calling to tell me yea or an A. And
Speaker 1: so the phone I pick it up and it's a solicitor,
Speaker 1: right trying to sell me insurance. So he starts going
Speaker 1: through his pitch and I stopped and say, excuse me,
Speaker 1: I just have a question, Um, does your policy does
Speaker 1: it cover flying in space? They guys like huh and said,
Speaker 1: you know, like like on the Space Shuttle, and I
Speaker 1: hear click. I got him to hang up by me.
Speaker 1: There you go, everybody, this is a public service. We
Speaker 1: found that we found. You know what I do. I
Speaker 1: do something similar. I always say I can't talk now.
Speaker 1: I'm burying my father in the yard and I'm eating
Speaker 1: aluminum and used that line for years. They hang up
Speaker 1: and they take you off to aluminum and I'm burning
Speaker 1: my father. You know, I'm busy right now. But how
Speaker 1: about you give me your number that now we're doing
Speaker 1: I want to get back to because we started with
Speaker 1: space junk and I no time is short. So in
Speaker 1: your opinion, is this what we've heard is and you've
Speaker 1: sort of said no, I don't think so. Is that
Speaker 1: the problem could compound to the point. We read one
Speaker 1: report where it was speculated we wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: push something through the junk zone come ten years, twenty years,
Speaker 1: twenty five years. But do you do you believe that?
Speaker 1: And whether or not you do, is there any kind
Speaker 1: of solution? Have you heard of anything being talked about
Speaker 1: to literally get some of that stuff out of there?
Speaker 1: People have tried things like shooting lasers at it to
Speaker 1: lays off and vaporize a piece. So to your knowledge,
Speaker 1: people are working on it or there isn't. There have
Speaker 1: been some experiments done where we could see, like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe we could shoot it and it could be propulsive
Speaker 1: if you if you vaporize a section of it, it
Speaker 1: can actually push it and then push it in a
Speaker 1: direction it would slow it down and cause it to
Speaker 1: come back to earth. So but that's hard. It's really
Speaker 1: hard to do that, and it takes a lot of energy.
Speaker 1: There are other people who look actually sending up collectors
Speaker 1: to actually mechanically get this stuff all right. For some
Speaker 1: of the bigger pieces, that might work, but it's a
Speaker 1: very it's really a difficult problem to clean it up.
Speaker 1: I really do think that the best thing we could
Speaker 1: possibly do is just not making any worse. So you
Speaker 1: wouldn't advocate. And this is something I've actually asked, And
Speaker 1: I know it's probably cost per hivotim, but I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think you would not be an advocate of sending
Speaker 1: earth junk up into space because I always say, what,
Speaker 1: you know, radioactive waste, why don't we just shoot it
Speaker 1: into the cosmos? Why don't we get our why don't
Speaker 1: we get our the the most corrosive elements of our
Speaker 1: earth garbage out of here? That way, not a fan
Speaker 1: of that. I do think that it's something to consider
Speaker 1: for a radioactive waste that you really don't want hanging
Speaker 1: around down here. The problem is you've got to be really,
Speaker 1: really confident it's gonna work. Yeah, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: confident enough that I'm only get on one of these rockets,
Speaker 1: but not live under it. But you know, in the
Speaker 1: radioactive waste that on there. I do think that if
Speaker 1: we get to the point where access to space maybe
Speaker 1: through maybe not through liquid propulsion, maybe through there's this
Speaker 1: new thing that they're trying with, basically a giant catapult
Speaker 1: that slings around at incredibly high rpm and then shoot
Speaker 1: something releasing old school. I love it. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: could be assured that when you let it go, it's going,
Speaker 1: and you could use, or even a railgun or something
Speaker 1: like that. This isn't going to work for humans because
Speaker 1: the g's are way too high. But but for something
Speaker 1: like that, if it was proven to be ridiculously reliable,
Speaker 1: then I think you could consider that. I think they
Speaker 1: should work on robots for spacewalks first part. But and
Speaker 1: tell us be totally honest with us here if this
Speaker 1: makes you uncomfortable at all. Podcasts are great. It's a
Speaker 1: nice little life, little business here using your name. However,
Speaker 1: to start a business where we clean up space junk,
Speaker 1: we could raise a tongation a ton of money. Put
Speaker 1: his name first. Yeah, yeah, what do you think? Are
Speaker 1: you good with that? We could talk, We could talk. Look, yeah,
Speaker 1: the podcasting thing is maybe a little a little better.
Speaker 1: So it's a little better. Really, I go to parties
Speaker 1: and here's what I get. So, what are you and
Speaker 1: Jason doing? Podcast? And you know what the answer is,
Speaker 1: my grandson does a podcast. I'm thinking we we didn't
Speaker 1: even have to change the initials for the show. And
Speaker 1: be real, hold on, hold, realize, I just realized something.
Speaker 1: Richman Reisman does a podcast. You do a podcast? I do,
Speaker 1: of course. Gods, you know, nine out a ton adults. Gods,
Speaker 1: we got in at the right time. What about living
Speaker 1: Los Angeles? Sure they came and knocked at my door
Speaker 1: instead of head. All right, go ahead, what's yours podcast?
Speaker 1: All of this stuff which we just are you on
Speaker 1: the iHeart app, the Apple Apple wherever they get their
Speaker 1: podcast because we are person an astronaut, we're an Apple Google.
Speaker 1: We're also on YouTube. Yeah, we're on YouTube. We're on
Speaker 1: you because not for me, but the guy I do
Speaker 1: with is is good looking. So yeah, what's your who?
Speaker 1: You're a guy can pull off the shaved heads thing.
Speaker 1: I'm a long dart. If I shaved my head, it's
Speaker 1: the tragedy. You're a handsome man, don't. Don't don't whether
Speaker 1: you're in gravity or not. But so, what's your podcast about?
Speaker 1: Thank you very h It's called Two Funny Astronauts, So
Speaker 1: it's it's myself and a comedy. The man's doing comedy.
Speaker 1: Can't even leave art. Yeah, we're not treading on yours.
Speaker 1: Why are you treading on army? But he HiT's the thing.
Speaker 1: I'll go in your rocket and take a dump too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Funny yeah, yeah, And here's the thing we're not saying that,
Speaker 1: we're like like you guys, we're not saying we're funny people. Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: are you in that hilarious account We are you the
Speaker 1: two Hilarious Accountants network? Is that where you are? Those
Speaker 1: guys kissed me on? So you talk about space. We
Speaker 1: talk about space. We tell stories funny things that happened
Speaker 1: to us in space as myself and Mike Massamino is
Speaker 1: my co host. You might know him from the Big
Speaker 1: Bang Theory. Had a recurring role on that for a while. Sure,
Speaker 1: and so the two of us did this podcast where
Speaker 1: we where we tell ye, so we don't you know
Speaker 1: we're saying we're funny. For how many astronauts have you met?
Speaker 1: I've met about six? Okay, Buzz Alder and I should
Speaker 1: stand behind at the deli every week. And he was angry,
Speaker 1: always angry. He was he trying to send back soup.
Speaker 1: He was an angry And I have a fan. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know you, but I have a fan. Can you
Speaker 1: see that three reference? I'm slipping him in there stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you're gonna be before he leaves your podcast.
Speaker 1: Just make sure you're promoting our podcast. Let me ask
Speaker 1: a question. You and Mike you split at fifty fifty
Speaker 1: because that doesn't seem right. One of you has a
Speaker 1: higher profile than the other, doesn't it. Yeah, and wait
Speaker 1: we should we should probably negotiate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: doing you and I we will talk to the two
Speaker 1: new the two Funny Lawyers show. You got a good
Speaker 1: trademark attorney, you could you could drop it before you
Speaker 1: are you? Before you go? You're gonna go up in
Speaker 1: another mission? Would you ever go up? And can you go?
Speaker 1: You know so, because I'm hoping you go now that
Speaker 1: yoh man? So you never say never because now there's
Speaker 1: these commercial opportunities out there. But I'm also okay if
Speaker 1: I never go. Because I did spacewalks, I did robotics,
Speaker 1: I was a flood engineer in this shuttle, was a
Speaker 1: long duration astronaut. I'm kind of I'm kind of good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm happy with me. Are you rocking? You know? Elon?
Speaker 1: So can you call Elon and saying anything you high?
Speaker 1: How you doing? I could call? No, I'm not asking you,
Speaker 1: but you're that that close you have that kind of relationship. Um.
Speaker 1: I could send him an email, I said. I actually
Speaker 1: send him an email, him a tweet, I know anybody.
Speaker 1: I sent him an email about a month before he
Speaker 1: bought Twitter, and I said, don't do it well and
Speaker 1: you're man, Yeah, he said, uh, he said, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. They're making me. So
Speaker 1: you're like the signfild opposite episode, but you different advice
Speaker 1: and he does the opposite. That's right, it's perfect. Well,
Speaker 1: te email him that you were on this show. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Your podcast is called Two Funny Astronauts,
Speaker 1: Two Funny Astronauts a good Garrett Reeseman Reisman, and I
Speaker 1: love that he does space space discovery endeavor in Atlantis.
Speaker 1: The school of Engineering you consult You also were on
Speaker 1: Battlestar Galactica and Ron Moore, the show runner, Yes, kind
Speaker 1: of created a show with you, right, and that you
Speaker 1: were consulting on it. Right, I'm still working on it.
Speaker 1: It's it's on Apple TV just four ninety nine per month. Um,
Speaker 1: you're a consulting on very cool, very cool Garrett. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much for your time and thanks for ving
Speaker 1: to have fun. It was. It was a great a
Speaker 1: lot of fun for me. So I think you're a
Speaker 1: good dude, and thanks for long and prosper Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I have a trigger finger and I can still do
Speaker 1: it all right, So a Garrett that was amazing, right,
Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. You know what I like the most about them?
Speaker 1: Pretty good looking guy as me as somebody height, good
Speaker 1: looking guy. Yeah, got the guy on TV and then
Speaker 1: in the in the CSI wanted the CSI show, what's
Speaker 1: his name? With Mersa Haggardy that's who he reminds me,
Speaker 1: a good looking guy. You can't get her name right either, right,
Speaker 1: getting his name right? Now? You can't get that name right.
Speaker 1: You're good with names. I would just want to mention
Speaker 1: what's my name? But last week when we were taping,
Speaker 1: Jason called me, where did you call me? You didn't
Speaker 1: call me? Tolden what did you say? Four times? You
Speaker 1: got my name wrong? Four times? Have the guts to
Speaker 1: look at me and say that's right. I have the guts,
Speaker 1: I have the guts, I'm the right stuff. Let's go
Speaker 1: to let's go to Googleheim. Googleheim. Anything in this episode
Speaker 1: that he correct thing or that that you need to
Speaker 1: look up to clarify, Well, yeah, the it's Christopher Maloney
Speaker 1: by the way, thank you, Christopher Murder. You get that
Speaker 1: he gets out alive by yeah, yeah, thank you. There's
Speaker 1: a bevy of things that at all. I'll give you
Speaker 1: an option, give us part of the bevy. Jason referred
Speaker 1: to the Carlin route teen. I don't know if people
Speaker 1: know who George Carlin is, so I could you know?
Speaker 1: We can get it. That's true George Colin Fronty commed in,
Speaker 1: but he's been dead a long time. How sad is
Speaker 1: that that people may not know? Ya? Wow? Del Bocca Vista,
Speaker 1: of course, is the fictional home of Jerry Steinfeld's parents,
Speaker 1: and then at some point George's parents as well, for
Speaker 1: a short period of time. The Internet is all over.
Speaker 1: As far as Garrett's height, some places it says he's
Speaker 1: five to seven, some say he's six twin. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone's buying that. That's Garrett constantly trying to invade
Speaker 1: him sights. Yea claustrophobia that is actually caused by a
Speaker 1: traumatic event experience during early childhood. So you might want
Speaker 1: to share you know something. I don't know what that is,
Speaker 1: but it's true. If I ever have to go in
Speaker 1: one of the machines today, I don't think I honestly
Speaker 1: don't think I have not. That's not one of my problems.
Speaker 1: They'd have to give me iowa any problems, but you
Speaker 1: could go in there, and I've done it many times.
Speaker 1: I have no problem in small places, close place. When
Speaker 1: Garrett was talking about going into that balling sept up started,
Speaker 1: I start, yeah, I can't breathe. It's unbelievable. That's terrible.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have that. Well, that's why I
Speaker 1: don't go in balls that are driving, you know, driving
Speaker 1: my cars. I don't let your cars kind of like that.
Speaker 1: Every time you get out. It's like giving birth. It
Speaker 1: feels like or the downstairs bathroom and my head down stays.
Speaker 1: Bathroom in your house is smaller than tight, smaller than
Speaker 1: an airplane bath by way, what's with airplane bathroom? They
Speaker 1: can't give you another couple inches if you're six too, Sorry, Garrett,
Speaker 1: I'm six two. It's the I'm always holding on with
Speaker 1: my head. My head is what they're called. Chat get
Speaker 1: the bathroom. And by the way, you know who has
Speaker 1: an airplane bathroom in his hallway of his house? I
Speaker 1: understood Billy Crystal doesn't really have an airplane bathroom installed.
Speaker 1: An accurate bathroom installed. And when you close the door,
Speaker 1: suppose it makes the sounds. Isn't it great? A Google
Speaker 1: hoime anything else. The last one is my favorite. The
Speaker 1: Kobayashivaru is a fictional training exercise in the Star Trek
Speaker 1: franchise designed to test characters in Starfleet Academy with a
Speaker 1: no win scenario and as Captain. As Captain Kirk says,
Speaker 1: I don't believe in a no win scenario exactly. I
Speaker 1: felt like I was with the only man to beat
Speaker 1: he actually he cheated and he cheated. He cheated. He
Speaker 1: beat the Kobe Ashimura, the only man to do it.
Speaker 1: I'd love that you, Kirk. There you go. Take by
Speaker 1: the way, take is takeaway from this? Yeah? Is Guart's great,
Speaker 1: He's knowledgeable. I think we're screwed. I think that they're
Speaker 1: racing the go out of eight. They don't want us
Speaker 1: to know because Guart's in on it. He knows Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: They're all going to get in rockets and take off
Speaker 1: when it's all cluttered, and we're gonna be Bibo gates
Speaker 1: by Elon must. I mean, they're all going, they're all
Speaker 1: racing to get out of here. Let me explain something
Speaker 1: to you. Oh you mister science, let me help you, Yes,
Speaker 1: sir mister, and I what if you have a hundred
Speaker 1: billion dollars. And now you're in space. What good is
Speaker 1: it to you? What are you buying? What are you
Speaker 1: gonna have that the guy next to you doesn't have. Okay,
Speaker 1: a life gates down here, Elon Musk, you know, Jeff
Speaker 1: beys Us, their life is here. That they will they'll
Speaker 1: invest in these things to make money, but they're staying here.
Speaker 1: This is where they want to be, This is where
Speaker 1: the quality of their life is extraordinary. On Mars, they're
Speaker 1: just another schmow on Marshy. And I am not pessimistic.
Speaker 1: You're pessimistic. You you actually smell something. If these guys
Speaker 1: are shut up. Now, you're gonna good night. Everybody drives safely. No,
Speaker 1: you're I know that you think that what we heard
Speaker 1: is that you know that there's going to be so
Speaker 1: much junk up there. We're not gonna be you can't
Speaker 1: get through it. I say to you, first of all, Saturn,
Speaker 1: I love that you Saturn. All that all that ring,
Speaker 1: the Ring of Saturn is all junk. It's all junk,
Speaker 1: It's all space debris. So you're saying make it, it'll
Speaker 1: all compress. I think the thing will have around the Earth.
Speaker 1: They'll be a ring like Garrett, can they make it
Speaker 1: all neat? Could you just go up there and tidy up?
Speaker 1: Say yes or no, I don't need to put on
Speaker 1: the headphones on the whole thing. Yes or no, it'll
Speaker 1: take a long time. We got time. We got the time.
Speaker 1: We don't have to. You know. The second thing I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say to you is, despite pessimist one and pessimist too,
Speaker 1: whenever mankind is faced with an existential problem, we kind
Speaker 1: of man our way out. Do we figure it out?
Speaker 1: Where's the force fields? We're gonna have force fields. That
Speaker 1: means we're gonna put force fields around our stuff, around
Speaker 1: our ships. We're gonna have a force field electro magnetic field,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna push through the junk to junk will
Speaker 1: repel away. We're gonna figure out how to do that
Speaker 1: right after we figure out where my jet packet exactly.
Speaker 1: You know what's amazing what you're better on Space Talk.
Speaker 1: You should be partnering with Garrett than on your show.
Speaker 1: I'm more out of show, and I'm going over to
Speaker 1: a two funny astronauts. It's gonna be two funny astronauts
Speaker 1: and a former sign from coach store to parsippany. That's right,
Speaker 1: good night, everybodyday everybody, depending on where you are in
Speaker 1: the world, because this is global signing off for an astronaut.
Speaker 1: Two guys. Now, well, we want to thank Garrett Reesman,
Speaker 1: our test subject this week. An amazing guy. Not only
Speaker 1: is your former NASA astronaut who's flown on the Space
Speaker 1: Show of Discovery and Endeavor and Atlantis, but he also
Speaker 1: is consulted on a TV show for all mankind. You
Speaker 1: can follow Garrett's podcast two Funny Astronauts anywhere you get
Speaker 1: your podcasts. He's on Instagram or you can check out
Speaker 1: his website at Garrettreeseman dot com. As far as really
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