Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ. On this beautiful day
Speaker 1: here in New York City. It is hot, hot, hot,
Speaker 1: and I'm not complaining, how about you?
Speaker 2: Uh No, it's I think it changes people's moods when
Speaker 2: the weather gets gets nice like this, and then you
Speaker 2: get on the subway and you realize attitudes were just
Speaker 2: the same as they were on a cold day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did notice that today. Couldn't wait to get
Speaker 1: back up on the ground and get out of that
Speaker 1: subterranean mess. It kind of feels like the same every day.
Speaker 1: It's like drudgery down there. But it's the fastest way
Speaker 1: anywhere in the city, and so I'll keep taking it
Speaker 1: and try to keep a smile on my face. Still
Speaker 1: have a smile on my face from yesterday. And Elise,
Speaker 1: it's mixed emotions. But my baby, my youngest, had her
Speaker 1: senior prom and god, it was beautiful weather and it
Speaker 1: was Oh. I think everybody imagines what their senior prom
Speaker 1: is going to be like, and it's pretty cool. She
Speaker 1: goes to an all girls Jesuit high school here in
Speaker 1: the city, and so prom's a little different from when
Speaker 1: I went to high school. The stress of finding a
Speaker 1: date and then getting the crusage and having the date
Speaker 1: come pick you up. My daughter decided to basically just
Speaker 1: go with a group of friends, and I just thought
Speaker 1: it was so cool to see all the girls out there,
Speaker 1: and she asked us moms to all come and help
Speaker 1: them get ready. And it was just a really joyful,
Speaker 1: joyful day to see her laughing and care free and
Speaker 1: just hitting this milestone in her life. And I'm trying
Speaker 1: not to cry and just being joyful.
Speaker 3: Because yeah, it's almost like the end of an era,
Speaker 3: but I know it's the beginning of a new one.
Speaker 2: No, She's had a lot of milestones late. That had
Speaker 2: her eighteenth birthday, which is on the same day as
Speaker 2: her last day of high school. That all ended it
Speaker 2: at the same time, essentially her youth in her high
Speaker 2: school career. But then she got into Colorado the university.
Speaker 2: She's a buffalo, got worse. She's going to get to
Speaker 2: travel overseas study brush. She's had a lot going on
Speaker 2: and it's not done yet. So it's just a special
Speaker 2: time for parents and for kids right about now, who
Speaker 2: are a lot of graduations all over the country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, oh, I'm ting not to cry, but
Speaker 3: you have these mixed emotions where you're like so excited
Speaker 3: for them to go off into the world. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like when you've spent the last twenty plus years
Speaker 3: taking care of your kids and they're gone, it's it's
Speaker 3: a lot to contend with. I actually saw Jennifer Gardner
Speaker 3: posted something on Instagram yesterday because her oldest Violet, graduated
Speaker 3: from high school and she was a rack.
Speaker 1: She was crying. She was like, what am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do? And I really related, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of parents out there do too. Where like and
Speaker 1: I would never want analyse to see me cry because
Speaker 1: I don't want that pressure on her. But if I
Speaker 1: talk about it, honestly, I will lose it. I haven't
Speaker 1: fully processed it. And yeah, but it was beautif full
Speaker 1: to see. And I really was like so happy yesterday
Speaker 1: watching her with her girlfriends and in their gowns and
Speaker 1: it was for them and celebrating their time in high school.
Speaker 1: It was you know, I think one of the girls
Speaker 1: had a date and the other girl had a friend,
Speaker 1: but the rest of them, I think there was five
Speaker 1: girls just all going. We used to call it stag,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's even a term anymore. But
Speaker 1: they all just went with one another and it was
Speaker 1: beautiful and I'm leaning into this new normal. But sorry, babe,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a little rocky over the next
Speaker 1: couple of months before I actually say goodbye to her
Speaker 1: in August for college.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be a little rocky.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna be a little emotional.
Speaker 2: I think you're always emotional. No, I mean I didn't
Speaker 2: say as it is, so I don't. I don't know. No,
Speaker 2: I know all your levels of it. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I always say, you don't united different moves, you're different levels.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's it's it's fun to watch. You're
Speaker 2: more excited than not excited that she's going to be gone,
Speaker 2: but you're excited for her, and this is is a
Speaker 2: part of it, and it's it's been wonderful to watch
Speaker 2: from my vantage point. But she's she's a good one,
Speaker 2: and she's a good one in a way that she does.
Speaker 2: I've seen it when you didn't weren't even aware of it,
Speaker 2: where she does the right thing behind your back without
Speaker 2: you ever knowing. You don't have to tell her to
Speaker 2: say hey, make sure you say thank you, or make
Speaker 2: sure you're this kind of polite, or do this thing,
Speaker 2: or she does it on our own. She's a good kid,
Speaker 2: she's never great.
Speaker 1: That's good to hear. Well. She was also very excited
Speaker 1: because it was a big another milestone for her. I
Speaker 1: don't know how other parents handled this, and certainly I
Speaker 1: wasn't extended this and to each their own, but I
Speaker 1: made this rule up for Eva, my oldest, on her
Speaker 1: prom It was the first night of her life that
Speaker 1: I didn't enforce a curfew, and so it kind of
Speaker 1: set off this. You know, you're you're going into adulthood.
Speaker 1: I've to your point, I've hopefully instilled all the values
Speaker 1: I can in you, and now I'm going to give
Speaker 1: you some freedom. I'm gonna I'm not gonna cut the rope,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to loosen it a lot. And so
Speaker 1: I found out today. They came in at four am,
Speaker 1: so that was really exciting to them, to her especially, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: she had her first non curfew, and you know she's
Speaker 1: going to be in college in a few months anyway,
Speaker 1: so and she's traveling the summer without me, So it's
Speaker 1: kind of silly to try to keep that control on
Speaker 1: a night where I knew she was with her girlfriends.
Speaker 1: And the nice thing about the city is they're not
Speaker 1: jumping into cars drinking and driving. That's just not that's
Speaker 1: something that doesn't happen in the city because you're jumping
Speaker 1: in an uber and you're with a group. So I
Speaker 1: felt a little bit more comfortable giving her that leeway.
Speaker 1: But she had a Oh she knew what was happening
Speaker 1: because it had already happened with Ava and she was
Speaker 1: counting down the days until she didn't have a curfew.
Speaker 1: So I guess, I guess that's now the new thing,
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure I'll be totally okay with all
Speaker 1: the time. But it seemed to go well. Yesterday they
Speaker 1: were all in there. It's funny. I knew that they
Speaker 1: We woke up and I said, let me just see
Speaker 1: to make sure they made it home. And I just
Speaker 1: saw a bunch of shoes all thrown in the middle
Speaker 1: of the hallway. I was like, yep, they're here, they
Speaker 1: made it back. I'm good. So it was a fun night,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a lot more fun days ahead
Speaker 1: before she leaves. I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw them when they came in at four,
Speaker 2: since that's my wake up time.
Speaker 4: Anyway, you did not, You're it was the end of it,
Speaker 4: you know, I.
Speaker 1: Was up you wait, But did you really know they
Speaker 1: got in it for.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't talk to them. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to see that mess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they went from prom to they had an after
Speaker 1: party for prom, which is a thing I guess now,
Speaker 1: and then they went to karaoke. So it was a
Speaker 1: full night of fun and singing, and apparently their go
Speaker 1: to song was unwritten by Natasha Beddingfield, an oldie but
Speaker 1: a goodie. I was impressed. I was like, I like
Speaker 1: that song. I listened to that song all the time.
Speaker 2: What's your go to hiaoke?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think it's Paradise by the Dashboard Light.
Speaker 1: Although I was just gonna say it's an indulgent song,
Speaker 1: because if you don't know it, you're you're like, what
Speaker 1: the is going on? But it's meatball, No meat loaf,
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. I just said meatball, meat loaf. Yes, I
Speaker 1: was up late. Meat loaf and Paradise by the dashboard Light.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a whole thing. I know every single word.
Speaker 1: But the song goes on for like seven minutes, and
Speaker 1: so if you can find the other person because it's
Speaker 1: a duet who knows all the other words? It's really fun.
Speaker 1: And but if you don't know the words, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's really annoying to watch me sing meat loafs Paradise
Speaker 1: by the dashboard light.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure everybody at a bar at two in
Speaker 2: the morning intoxicated love was to see a seven minute
Speaker 2: rendition of a song they've never heard of. By you?
Speaker 1: It's great?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Yes, and how about you? What's your go to karaoke song?
Speaker 2: I'm too sexy? Seriously, I have no idea. I just
Speaker 2: think that almost be you.
Speaker 1: But if you had to do karaoke, what would be you?
Speaker 2: Gotta give me some time on that. Have no idea,
Speaker 2: no idea?
Speaker 1: What the song? Do you know all the words? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know they put the words up so you don't
Speaker 1: have to know all the words, but it helps if
Speaker 1: you do. Are there songs that you just know by
Speaker 1: heart every single word?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah? A lot of stuff by Prince, A lot
Speaker 2: of stuff by Otis Redding and Sam Cook? Who the hell?
Speaker 2: Once they hear sitting on the dock of the bay
Speaker 2: too in the morning.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could sway, but the lighter go up.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of ways you can enjoy that.
Speaker 2: I think, how do you enjoy that song? We're talking
Speaker 2: about the same song. Yeah, that that makes you want
Speaker 2: to throw a lighter up?
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, you know when people in the concerts
Speaker 1: put the lighter up, it's a slower song. They sway
Speaker 1: they got the light going.
Speaker 2: No, really sad, it's really really I never thought of
Speaker 2: that song as a sway with the lighter up song.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe it's with your arms around the person next
Speaker 1: to you and just kind of enjoying the cadence.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is why you don't play otis rating
Speaker 2: at the carryoka.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, we'll have to come
Speaker 1: up with a karaoke song later. I'm I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Yes, some of this weather in New York City has
Speaker 1: been so fun and it's been good to get out
Speaker 1: and about. And we had a couple of fun nights
Speaker 1: and one of them we actually were at a gathering
Speaker 1: where I saw some old friends, friends I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: a long time, and a friend who works at was
Speaker 1: once our competing network at NBC and they launched a
Speaker 1: show over there that competed against GMA three, and I
Speaker 1: hadn't spoken to this producer since all of that had
Speaker 1: taken place.
Speaker 3: So it was a really fun reunion. But she told
Speaker 3: TJ and me something that was well, a little surprising,
Speaker 3: maybe even kind of amusing now, but definitely a little shocking.
Speaker 3: She told us that our show, GMA three, was welcoming
Speaker 3: NBC into the daytime arena.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a show like that. Yeah, so it's like
Speaker 1: the we had GMA three was with Good Morning America,
Speaker 1: but this was basically Today's show in the afternoon, and
Speaker 1: we as a show, sent over a gift to welcome
Speaker 1: them to daytime. We did not know that they sent
Speaker 1: over a gift. Had you ever heard of that?
Speaker 2: First? I heard it was the other day and apparently
Speaker 2: this is something that took place almost two years ago now,
Speaker 2: But no, we had no idea that this was done.
Speaker 2: I guess you could say on our behalf.
Speaker 1: Yes, And so this was the first as TJ just
Speaker 1: said that we had heard about it. So we said, oh, wow,
Speaker 1: we sent you all a gift and she was like, yes,
Speaker 1: but do you want to know what the gift was?
Speaker 1: And we said yes, Well, it had your faces all
Speaker 1: over it, and we were puzzled, and she told us
Speaker 1: that our show apparently sent over to the new NBC
Speaker 1: show a welcome to Daytime gift package, which was cookies
Speaker 1: with our faces on them. We were I mean, I
Speaker 1: was a little mortified. How did you feel?
Speaker 2: Well. It took us a while to try to understand
Speaker 2: if she was serious or not, because we've seen this.
Speaker 2: It happens in the industry, and people, I don't know,
Speaker 2: they're competitors, but at the nice like a sporting event,
Speaker 2: you shake hands with your competitor at the beginning and
Speaker 2: at the end. But when you're out there on the
Speaker 2: field of play, your enemies and your battling. It's the same.
Speaker 2: In news. Yes, we go at it hard, but we
Speaker 2: all respect each other and a lot of us are
Speaker 2: friends for the most part in the industry, so it's
Speaker 2: not unusual when someone has a milestone, someone in a
Speaker 2: competing station has a baby, or someone is god forbid,
Speaker 2: sick or got a promotion. Even you send something flowers
Speaker 2: and a note, and that's just industry standard.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, when we saw we mentioned this in
Speaker 1: an earlier podcast, when we saw even Kim Godwin, after
Speaker 1: all that had gone gone on with us. We decided
Speaker 1: to send a gesture to send a bottle of champagne.
Speaker 1: I think those are all things that would be reasonable
Speaker 1: and understandable. So we were thinking, oh, we sent over
Speaker 1: I don't know, yes, flowers, champagne something, but no, we
Speaker 1: sent them cookies with our faces on them. And they
Speaker 1: were all kind of thrown by that as well, because
Speaker 1: maybe the.
Speaker 3: Intention was was I don't know what would the intention
Speaker 3: be just kind of like game on welcome, but I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: It doesn't I guess it matters what the intent was.
Speaker 2: We don't know that. All we can speak on now
Speaker 2: is how it was received, and we know it was
Speaker 2: received negatively. It wasn't appreciated and it was not necessarily
Speaker 2: a laughing matter from what we were explained to us.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't hoot and
Speaker 2: holland at the end of the world because some cookies
Speaker 2: were sent, but they it was taken at least says
Speaker 2: its explained to us as a pretty bold and pretty
Speaker 2: rude gesture, if you will, not funny in the least bit.
Speaker 2: So we apologize. We apologized to her on the spot
Speaker 2: and we said, please, please, please go back to your
Speaker 2: newsroom and tell them that we had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with this and had no idea about it, and we're
Speaker 2: sorry that something with our name, our faces literally on
Speaker 2: it is something that was viewed so negatively by them,
Speaker 2: and it was somewhat insulted.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so yes, we deeply apologized. But she even
Speaker 1: told us that they were kind of so taken aback.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the way they She described how they received
Speaker 1: it. It was kind of shocking, and just thought, wow, they
Speaker 1: went there, they sent us cookies with their faces on it,
Speaker 1: Welcome to Daytime TV. And they actually took a picture
Speaker 1: of them with the cookies, and she has it on
Speaker 1: her desk, and it's maybe it's motivating for them to
Speaker 1: to keep doing what they're doing. And you know what,
Speaker 1: it is a competition, the morning show wars. I'm sure
Speaker 1: we've all heard about it, and it's all true to
Speaker 1: your point, TJ. Like it is competitive. We are trying
Speaker 1: to win the ratings. Everybody wants to be number one.
Speaker 1: That's just absolutely true. But anyway we were, we were
Speaker 1: a little I was appalled. I was mortified that we
Speaker 1: were a part of some gesture that we had no idea,
Speaker 1: Like no one even told US, consulted with us, asked
Speaker 1: us if it was okay to put our faces on
Speaker 1: these cookies. So we were glad we finally heard the
Speaker 1: story and that we could actually let her know that
Speaker 1: that is nothing that we sanctioned or suggested or would
Speaker 1: have ever wanted to have taken place. So, yes, a
Speaker 1: formal apology was long overdue, I believe, but we were
Speaker 1: just made aware of the situation. So that was very
Speaker 1: That was an enlightening moment, to say the very least,
Speaker 1: when we when we ran into her and heard all
Speaker 1: of that. But it was well, hopefully we set the
Speaker 1: record straight. Yes, yeah, so we've been we've been what
Speaker 1: else we've been doing.
Speaker 3: We've been watching TV per usual, and we were able
Speaker 3: to actually sit down and watch not only the it's
Speaker 3: been out there for a while, but we hadn't actually
Speaker 3: taken the time to watch Jlo put out her movie.
Speaker 1: I always get the names confused. What's that one called?
Speaker 2: This is Me Now?
Speaker 1: This is Me Now? And then the documentary of the
Speaker 1: making of the movie, which was the greatest love story
Speaker 1: never told? And we actually I actually really enjoyed the
Speaker 1: documentary how about you?
Speaker 2: We watched in that order, so we watched the and
Speaker 2: what does she call it's not a movie? It's not
Speaker 2: a music video movie. What's she called it not a
Speaker 2: music movie? She had a specific way she wanted to
Speaker 2: explain what it what the movie was. So we saw
Speaker 2: the music movie first and we got it. We understood
Speaker 2: what she was trying to do there. The documentary, however,
Speaker 2: is fascinating. It is one of the most It's one
Speaker 2: of those It was unexpected for me to see some
Speaker 2: of the things that they left in, what was going
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes, and just some of the dynamic
Speaker 2: with her and her husband an athletics. So I loved, love, loved.
Speaker 1: The documentary, and I thought she was I thought she
Speaker 1: was very raw, very vulnerable, you know, talked about the
Speaker 1: challenges financially of getting something like this going, but then
Speaker 1: even getting other celebrities on board. She was trying to
Speaker 1: incorporate some folks into the to the movie. If you
Speaker 1: see it, several people stepped up, including the amazing Jane
Speaker 1: Fonda to just name one. But what it was like
Speaker 1: to be rejected by people, to be rejected by you know,
Speaker 1: financial institutions, by networks or you know, services that would
Speaker 1: carry this movie. Just the struggles of putting it all together.
Speaker 1: So and she really opened up about her heart and
Speaker 1: being maybe even a parody or something that someone laughs
Speaker 1: at or makes fun of because she's been married four
Speaker 1: times or had four marriages before Ben correct or is
Speaker 1: Ben number four? Ben's number four? But then so we
Speaker 1: just happened to take the time to watch these two,
Speaker 1: and then all of these headlines have been popping up
Speaker 1: about Jen and Ben and it's just for me to watch.
Speaker 1: It's it's fairly heartbreaking because to see, yes, I know
Speaker 1: their celebrities, Yes I know they're in the spotlight, but
Speaker 1: to just see the unbelievable scrutiny of a relationship from
Speaker 1: body language, who is he wearing the ring? They haven't
Speaker 1: been seen together in X amount of days, They're being
Speaker 1: surveilled constantly, and people always have opinions and comments about
Speaker 1: their relationship and just the stress that I know that brings.
Speaker 1: But I just I just feel like it's become sadly
Speaker 1: a sport, not just in this country but around the
Speaker 1: world to to watch people and then to almost I
Speaker 1: don't want to say people hope for their failure, but
Speaker 1: almost kind of reveled in reading about the failure or
Speaker 1: reading about the problems or reading about and we don't
Speaker 1: even know if there is an issue or if there
Speaker 1: even is a problem. That's the whole point.
Speaker 3: But every headline says there is, and then that's what
Speaker 3: people believe. And I just, I think my heart goes
Speaker 3: out to both both of them about just I can't
Speaker 3: even imagine.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a certain level. There's is a
Speaker 1: level that I cannot even imagine the scrutiny that they're
Speaker 1: under constantly.
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of celebrity couple I've never been
Speaker 2: that interested in celebrity relationship news. I can see now
Speaker 2: where I was dismissive of people in my world who
Speaker 2: were friends or whatever, who are so invested with what
Speaker 2: happens to some celebrity couple with I guess Brad Pitt
Speaker 2: and Angelina, or Brad Pitt and or two of the
Speaker 2: I guess biggest couples who had so much I guess
Speaker 2: tabloid scrutiny. But this one, I feel so invested in
Speaker 2: their success for reasons I can't really comprehend. I just
Speaker 2: and more so I think it's my heart is going
Speaker 2: out to her for a lot of reasons. The woman
Speaker 2: I'm going to root for anybody who won't give up
Speaker 2: on love, who keeps trying. I'm going to root for
Speaker 2: every single time. And I know he's going through his
Speaker 2: struggles as well. It seems like so much emphasis is
Speaker 2: put on her given the marriages, but I hate I
Speaker 2: can't imagine, and I am so disturbed at the possibility
Speaker 2: that these two might not make it. And the only
Speaker 2: reason I think that is why would I even have
Speaker 2: that in my head? Because everybody's writing the headlines, which
Speaker 2: not a single one could be true. It's quite possible
Speaker 2: none of it's true. And you know this, I don't
Speaker 2: believe anything until j Lo comes in this studio and says,
Speaker 2: you know what, DJ, this is what's going on. I
Speaker 2: don't believe anything because I we, from our experience, know better.
Speaker 1: And then what happens is once one outlet writes something,
Speaker 1: then everybody picks up on it. And then if you notice,
Speaker 1: I know people can read things and read between the lines,
Speaker 1: it's always sources. The amount of sources that make comments
Speaker 1: about what is or isn't is remarkable, But what are
Speaker 1: and who are these sources? That's I think that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing we've gotten away from. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: there's a blurred line between mainstream media and tabloid media
Speaker 1: and just voyeurism. People who are who have their cameras
Speaker 1: up and ready to take a picture and then interpret
Speaker 1: what the body language is. I mean, it's really it's sad,
Speaker 1: and the scrutiny is unfair, and I just it. I
Speaker 1: think after our experience, I just feel even more sensitive
Speaker 1: to it and make a point not to click on it.
Speaker 1: But you can't escape it even on if you have
Speaker 1: Instagram or you know, whatever social media you have, If
Speaker 1: you scroll through it, it's it's everywhere. And I know
Speaker 1: that that was part of the reason why they have
Speaker 1: both said that their initial romance fell apart in part
Speaker 1: was because of all of the public scrutinies. So I
Speaker 1: feel for them, and I would just urge people to
Speaker 1: reserve judgment and to ask yourself, you know, if you
Speaker 1: care for them, you're rooting for them. I love that,
Speaker 1: but my god, I just hate to think that people
Speaker 1: are rooting for people's failure. Like see, I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew she couldn't handle it. I knew celebrity couples
Speaker 1: can't last. I know, celebrities, you know, don't make it
Speaker 1: it's almost as if you're rooting for that, and I
Speaker 1: just that's what makes me feel sick. So I just,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just we just wanted to say
Speaker 1: and send some love to both of them and maybe
Speaker 1: just ask folks to reserve judgment.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do we That's a weird thing this when
Speaker 2: it comes to judgment about those two, it feels like
Speaker 2: a I think I've mentioned this song before. It's an
Speaker 2: old song. YA won't remember it, an older song meaning
Speaker 2: Tia and Usher, my life you're entertainment. You heard me
Speaker 2: talk about this song. I've been listening to it for
Speaker 2: years and years, but I didn't really understand it until
Speaker 2: the past two years. Maybe. But my life you're entertainment.
Speaker 2: You watch it while I live it. You're waiting on
Speaker 2: me to lose it. I guess I'm just here for
Speaker 2: your amusement. Wow is the line, and this is Ti
Speaker 2: and Usher're singing in the song. They of course have
Speaker 2: dealt with all kinds of stuff impressed over the years
Speaker 2: and time, but it does feel like that to me
Speaker 2: that we often watch as sport. This is their life.
Speaker 2: This is a life, a real life that has an
Speaker 2: impact when you click it has an impact when you
Speaker 2: read and then you spread and you want to go
Speaker 2: put up a TikTok video and then put the hashtag,
Speaker 2: and people jump on it because it feels like the
Speaker 2: more you pound on them, the more followers you can get,
Speaker 2: or you're in with the in crowd, or you're part
Speaker 2: of this conversation. That part is really I urge, folks,
Speaker 2: and everybody's out there, not a bad person who does that,
Speaker 2: but we get caught up in it and not realize sometimes, well,
Speaker 2: just my one post isn't gonna make a difference. Well
Speaker 2: if you and a million other people do it, it
Speaker 2: does have an impact. And they say themselves that this
Speaker 2: type of scrutiny was part of the reason for their
Speaker 2: break up the first time. So it does have an impact.
Speaker 2: It does, you can actually and it had an impact
Speaker 2: for sure in all world in how people decided to
Speaker 2: start to scrutinize and talk and make fun and things
Speaker 2: just kind of spiral out of control to the point
Speaker 2: that it did. We ended up, our lives were severely
Speaker 2: or greatly impacted by this type of thing. So we
Speaker 2: just please, if you can just keep that in mind
Speaker 2: when you're laughing or clicking or reading or spreading or
Speaker 2: tweeting or whatever you may be doing that it's not
Speaker 2: just your one post. It collectively has an impact, a
Speaker 2: real world impact.
Speaker 1: And I'm always amazed at just because somebody makes their
Speaker 1: living singing, acting something in the public eye, and just
Speaker 1: because they've done well and have money from that talent
Speaker 1: or skill that they have shared with the world, somehow
Speaker 1: that makes them other people's I don't want to say property,
Speaker 1: but just that they have to just take it on
Speaker 1: the chin. They have to expect people to have whatever
Speaker 1: comment they want to have about them and then make
Speaker 1: it public and then that's okay because they have money,
Speaker 1: and because they chose to be in an artistic field
Speaker 1: that has publicity attached to it. I just think that's
Speaker 1: an unfair You know, you deserve it, or you should
Speaker 1: be able to take it because you know dot dot dot.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, what would you say, I mean, and we
Speaker 1: were at a completely different level. This is you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to compare where you know, Jlo
Speaker 1: and Ben are and where we were, But would you
Speaker 1: say that knowing that people were not only taking pictures
Speaker 1: and looking at every single facial expression we had or
Speaker 1: everything we did, or everything everywhere we went. Do you
Speaker 1: think that that affected our relationship in any way.
Speaker 2: No, we didn't worry about it being when we were
Speaker 2: out because you and I decided not to be out
Speaker 2: very much. So we it was the worst part. When
Speaker 2: we went to Miami. We were actually trying to get away.
Speaker 2: We were got out of here to hide and make
Speaker 2: sure we weren't in the public eye. And somebody, yes,
Speaker 2: at a restaurant, some family of four, I'll never forget
Speaker 2: those folks took some pictures of us at at lunch.
Speaker 2: They get word to some press outlet, photographer comes, pictures
Speaker 2: are taken of us, and then we get scrutinized for
Speaker 2: look at them, they're flaunting or I can't remember, you remember,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about. But the words that
Speaker 2: were used were attached to it were the exact opposite
Speaker 2: of what we were trying to do. We went there
Speaker 2: to hide, and the only reason we were found out
Speaker 2: is because a family of four sitting next to us
Speaker 2: with their two infant children decided to take pictures. And
Speaker 2: so that is the part I guess with you when
Speaker 2: you ask about did it affect our relationship? We hit
Speaker 2: so we didn't do anything different in the public eye.
Speaker 2: So I never felt like we had to put on
Speaker 2: or make sure we always put on a good face.
Speaker 2: Wet I shouldn't say caught. We were seeing photographed at
Speaker 2: times when we didn't know anybody was watching. And I'll
Speaker 2: be damned, we looked happy all the time. That's weird,
Speaker 2: but that was just us. But I know our relationship.
Speaker 2: I never I've said to you, I felt some kind
Speaker 2: of respond like, I feel a like folks are looking
Speaker 2: and waiting on you to either get married or break up,
Speaker 2: and that feels weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did look happy most of the time,
Speaker 1: but there were times I remember where like it was
Speaker 1: cold outside and so you're grimacing, and you know, then they,
Speaker 1: you know, they make a comment about what that says
Speaker 1: about our relationship. They even have body language experts, and
Speaker 1: I see them doing it to so many celebrities about
Speaker 1: how you're walking together, how you're holding hands, if someone's
Speaker 1: holding more tightly on the other, it's it's remarkable. And
Speaker 1: then people you read it and it feels like that
Speaker 1: must be what is And I just I would urge
Speaker 1: everyone to just not believe what you read and not
Speaker 1: believe unnamed sources and certainly don't give any real credence
Speaker 1: to body language experts who are claiming this, that and
Speaker 1: the other. But I mean, I just if anyone could have,
Speaker 1: if anyone could imagine what that would be like for
Speaker 1: them personally, I don't. It's not fun at all. And
Speaker 1: I think then there's the the s there's a a
Speaker 1: belief that somehow, whether whoever, whatever couple it is, even
Speaker 1: we were even accused of this, of them calling the
Speaker 1: paparazzi on ourselves to get attention, because we constantly just
Speaker 1: want attention and we're trying to prove something that this,
Speaker 1: that or the other. I cannot imagine that goes on
Speaker 1: as much as people think it does. I mean, we
Speaker 1: certainly never once ever wanted, let alone leaked where we
Speaker 1: going to be or how we wanted to be photographed.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's laughable to me that people really believe that,
Speaker 1: But they do, and it's out there, and I just
Speaker 1: I hope that we can all just be a little
Speaker 1: bit better about letting people live their lives and really
Speaker 1: allowing people to have private lives. I mean, I really
Speaker 1: believe everyone deserves a private life.
Speaker 2: See that's what everybody will a lot of folks will
Speaker 2: object and shut you down. Because she put out a
Speaker 2: movie that's an hour and a half of her promoting
Speaker 2: her relationship. She put out a documentary about that movie.
Speaker 2: She's got four hours of content in which she is
Speaker 2: putting her personal life out there. Now, obviously there are
Speaker 2: music critics. They can say whatever they want about her music,
Speaker 2: but she is putting herself out there in such a
Speaker 2: way that is Criticism is one thing, you know, but
Speaker 2: bullying and hate and that's a totally, totally different thing.
Speaker 2: We are not sitting here endorsing you should never say
Speaker 2: anything about her just because she's in the public eye. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know. She put herself out there, but there
Speaker 2: is an entertainment value that comes to trying to tear
Speaker 2: somebody down and to constantly gossip, which we've talked about
Speaker 2: plenty privately, but also here on this The gossip is
Speaker 2: one of the most toxic things out there, and we
Speaker 2: have all been guilty of it, but we just I
Speaker 2: would encourage everybody, and I've had to get better about it,
Speaker 2: and I'm you gotta stop being a part of that
Speaker 2: cycle of contributing to tearing somebody down. It's making fun
Speaker 2: of her I'm not gonna make fun of her because
Speaker 2: she's had four marriages. I'm not gonna make fun of
Speaker 2: her because she's had three failed marriages. You know, just
Speaker 2: cracking a joke about it. Is it seems me and
Speaker 2: folks say, ah, you got thicker scan, you can handle it. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 4: Girl's got really thick, much thicker skin to me, give
Speaker 4: me what she's done. She does, absolutely, But how we
Speaker 4: have we ask yourself, how are you contributing to tearing
Speaker 4: down another human being? How are you contributing to the fodder,
Speaker 4: the gossip, the foolishness, and the entertainment of somebody's private
Speaker 4: life and pain?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think we've seen it happen. It's
Speaker 1: going to continue to happen, obviously, because there's money to
Speaker 1: be made. I think that's the other thing, this idea
Speaker 1: that every time you're clicking or every time you're reading,
Speaker 1: you are contributing to someone profiting off of someone else's
Speaker 1: pain or potential pain, or even created false pain. But
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it's not something positive. So I just
Speaker 1: I I after everything I've learned in the past year
Speaker 1: and a half, I have I have learned to do
Speaker 1: better and be better when it comes to literally even
Speaker 1: clicking on these stories. Oh but yeah, we just wanted
Speaker 1: to We just wanted to throw some love out there
Speaker 1: and just remind everybody that what you read is not
Speaker 1: almost certainly not. It's what's going on, and there might
Speaker 1: be there could be a there could be a small
Speaker 1: small part of it that that's true, and none of
Speaker 1: it could be true. But just to suspend judgment and
Speaker 1: to remember not to believe what you read and to
Speaker 1: get people a break. And we're all humans. We've said
Speaker 1: that so many times, but no matter who you are,
Speaker 1: no matter what you do for a living, we all
Speaker 1: have feelings and it matters, and what you say, what
Speaker 1: you think, and my god, what you write, what you
Speaker 1: post matters, anonymous or not, you still put it out there.
Speaker 1: So just please please, please be kind.
Speaker 2: Be kind to us too. By the way, that's really
Speaker 2: all this episode was about. We're just getting back to
Speaker 2: us and what we're trying to say is no, folks, no,
Speaker 2: we appreciate you listening as all the ways. You can
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