Speaker 1: Pushkin.
Speaker 2: Rico Nasty is a genre defying force and contemporary hip
Speaker 2: hop known for hur rah unapologetic style and fearless experimentation.
Speaker 2: Rico started releasing mixtapes while still in high school in Maryland,
Speaker 2: with early tracks like I Carly and Hey Arnold catching
Speaker 2: fire online. After dropping five mixtapes independently, she signed with
Speaker 2: Atlantic Records in twenty eighteen and introduced the world to
Speaker 2: her signature Sugar Trap sound, a blend of aggressive new
Speaker 2: metal energy and trap production on breakout tracks like Smack
Speaker 2: a Bitch and Rage Today, Leo Rose sits down with
Speaker 2: Rico as she prepares to release her fourth studio album, Lethal.
Speaker 2: They dive into everything from the beautiful chaos of female
Speaker 2: heavy mosh pits at her shows, what it was like
Speaker 2: to suddenly come into lots of money as a teenager,
Speaker 2: to how she landed her first acting role in the
Speaker 2: upcoming a twenty four Apple TV series Margo' Scott Troubles.
Speaker 2: To see the full video version of this interview, head
Speaker 2: over to YouTube dot com slash Broken Record Podcast. This
Speaker 2: is Broken Record, real musicians, real conversations. Now here's Lea
Speaker 2: Rose with Rico Nasty.
Speaker 1: So let's talk Lethal. Yes, I just saw your new
Speaker 1: video on the low came out today. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: so different. So when I heard the song, I pictured
Speaker 1: baby pink and like you in like a candy store
Speaker 1: or something like really sweet and girly. And then I
Speaker 1: see the video and it's you like twerking in a
Speaker 1: truck bed in a junk yard, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is different. So how did you come up with
Speaker 1: a visual? How does that usually come to you?
Speaker 3: I just wanted to still keep my grunge, like I
Speaker 3: think the overall inspiration was like horror movie vibes, like
Speaker 3: still embodying like this winner type of energy, like Winner
Speaker 3: ring Leader type of energy. But I feel like I
Speaker 3: watch a lot of movies, so I'm always like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want to do that.
Speaker 4: This shot is cool, this is fire.
Speaker 3: But yeah, shout out to the director on that, because
Speaker 3: what actually happened is I had sent one treatment and
Speaker 3: he like broke it up into so many different ideas
Speaker 3: that like, there's so much more to come. I'm so
Speaker 3: excited to drop more visuals because everyone's so excited about
Speaker 3: about this one. Obviously, this one is a lot more
Speaker 3: different than the last one, and it'll be like that
Speaker 3: like moving forward. I just really like, yeah, I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm just taking all the risks and just doing
Speaker 3: what I really want to do and just trying my
Speaker 3: best to like still maintain.
Speaker 4: My authenticity and like the things.
Speaker 3: That I enjoy because I feel like I don't really
Speaker 3: like baby pink stuff.
Speaker 1: No, I know, it's it's very much not you. But
Speaker 1: I felt like this song is a little different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how I felt too. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, like, well, it could still be a
Speaker 3: softer side, it could fin inside, but like in my
Speaker 3: own way, but like, yeah, that song definitely it gives hank,
Speaker 3: it gives bubbly cutesy yeah, like soft furry.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh soft.
Speaker 1: So when you say you sent a treatment, what is that?
Speaker 1: Is that like you writing out what you see in
Speaker 1: your mind? Is it like different shots? Like what is
Speaker 1: a treatment?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So a treatment is basically a shot list of everything
Speaker 3: that you're trying to accomplish in the video. So, you know,
Speaker 3: some people follow more like mood boards, but I think
Speaker 3: mood boards kind of like limit creativity because it's too
Speaker 3: like spot on. Yeah, so the treatment will normally be
Speaker 3: like references of the way that I want things shot
Speaker 3: at certain angles and maybe the lighting some of like
Speaker 3: the b roll shots that I want to get. So yeah,
Speaker 3: like I use like videos that I like.
Speaker 1: Do you remember any references like movies or other videos.
Speaker 3: We definitely referenced like some old horror movie films on
Speaker 3: the coloring, like in the beginning scene with the car,
Speaker 3: just like the mild saturation but still keeping like those
Speaker 3: cool tones. That was like something that I've seen like
Speaker 3: in rob zombie films. So I remember that kind of
Speaker 3: being a part of like the treatment. Like, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not always other music videos. Yeah, it's sometimes is
Speaker 3: like actual films and things that I've just seen and
Speaker 3: I'm like, whoa, I really love this. Like another one
Speaker 3: is AFX twin Yeah, window lickor love the scene where
Speaker 3: it's like he does a close up of the mazine
Speaker 3: and the tire rim had his logo on it. I
Speaker 3: was like, last minute, I'm like, well, we need a
Speaker 3: lethal flag. We need something that's in in in the shots.
Speaker 4: So I thought about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like at the shows, like when people who are
Speaker 3: doing like the marsh pits and stuff, I think it's
Speaker 3: like there's like a language that could come with it,
Speaker 3: like the leader of the pit could have, you know,
Speaker 3: the flag. The person who's coming to the show's ready
Speaker 3: to function up. You have your flag, and you keep
Speaker 3: your flag up no matter what.
Speaker 1: Do people usually bring flags to the pit.
Speaker 3: They bring all types of shit to the pit. It's
Speaker 3: some stuff I don't even know how the fuck they're
Speaker 3: getting get into, but yeah, they bring a lot of
Speaker 3: shit to the pit.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. Like I feel like your shows are
Speaker 1: the first time I've seen women are just girls in
Speaker 1: a pit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those earlier days, it was really really crazy watching
Speaker 3: everybody just like get their shit off their chests.
Speaker 4: Yes, we don't really get to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's a misconception about it too,
Speaker 1: because I feel like people think that it is just
Speaker 1: people like fucking each other up, but it's actually like
Speaker 1: such a community it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like there's some there's a sense
Speaker 3: of like they're kind of like synchronized in some of
Speaker 3: the pits.
Speaker 4: It's not always beating each other up.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just like having your arms around your friends
Speaker 3: and you're jumping at the same time and you're just
Speaker 3: feeling it and it's like twenty of you guys.
Speaker 4: That could be a pit. Everyone kind of like.
Speaker 3: Just rapping the lyrics and feeling that shit with their
Speaker 3: whole hearted chest.
Speaker 4: And I think like where that comes.
Speaker 3: From is just like so much anger having to be
Speaker 3: repressed on an everyday basis. Like I feel like, unfortunately
Speaker 3: it's okay for men to lash out, Like you know,
Speaker 3: it's always been somewhat accepted in a symbol of power
Speaker 3: for a man to lash out and have no repercussions
Speaker 3: for their actions, But with women, it's always consequences for
Speaker 3: our actions. And I just feel like when we were
Speaker 3: doing that, I feel like it was kind of like
Speaker 3: we would have people at the shows trying to split
Speaker 3: the pit up. Y'all can't be doing this, don't inside
Speaker 3: a pit. But it's like, well, when else are we
Speaker 3: gonna get to do this and not be looked at
Speaker 3: it's crazy, or not have a consequence, or not get
Speaker 3: kicked out of something or get thrown in jail or
Speaker 3: actual fight breakout. It's like, where is the space to
Speaker 3: just be a woman and want to fuck somebody up.
Speaker 1: And not care what you look like, get sweaty, like
Speaker 1: not have your makeup or everything have to be the
Speaker 1: same as when you walked into a venue, Like it
Speaker 1: just it's such a release.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love that part too, because I go
Speaker 3: through the same thing on the stage, Like I don't
Speaker 3: look the same when I come out and when I
Speaker 3: go backstage, like I'm drenched in fucking sweat and we
Speaker 3: done had a time, and I just, yeah, I love
Speaker 3: that and I live for that. And that's not pretty.
Speaker 3: That's not I don't think that's meant to be pretty.
Speaker 3: And I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact that they
Speaker 3: allow me that space to spend money on a nice outfit,
Speaker 3: just getting that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Have you ever wanted to do like a
Speaker 1: make a major left turn and try a whole different
Speaker 1: genre or something new for you that would be unexpected,
Speaker 1: but you're just like, I don't think it's the right
Speaker 1: time or it's too early or whatever, Like, is there
Speaker 1: any type of music that is completely different from what
Speaker 1: you've already put out there?
Speaker 4: Hmm? I think like me being you know, the smack
Speaker 4: a Bitch girl.
Speaker 3: I'm very rah And I think that when you think
Speaker 3: Rico Nasci and you think rock music, it's always been Screamo,
Speaker 3: It's always been metal, has always been new metal, hip
Speaker 3: hop metal, It's always been like that sense of like
Speaker 3: angst and growl with it. But I have two songs
Speaker 3: on this album that don't have that. It's rock music, though,
Speaker 3: and it's more so influenced by the rock music that
Speaker 3: I actually listen to, Like, it's more so influenced by
Speaker 3: like you know, like beachy rock or like just more
Speaker 3: a calm, calm side.
Speaker 4: Yes, And I see.
Speaker 3: I'm like so happy that people are receiving on the
Speaker 3: load the way that they are because on the low
Speaker 3: is very girly. You're gonna get like another vulnerable side
Speaker 3: of me with these rock songs that's very very feminine,
Speaker 3: very girly, but also very rico. And I'm like really
Speaker 3: excited for people to hear those because I don't think
Speaker 3: I don't think people thought I could make a song
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, is that?
Speaker 1: Do you think you getting into the like the beachy
Speaker 1: rock or the more mellow side of things, like what
Speaker 1: you actually listen to? Is that you getting older? Do
Speaker 1: you think? Is that just where you're at in your life?
Speaker 1: Like where have you always listened to sort of like
Speaker 1: more mellow stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always listened to more mellow stuff really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like literally my favorite band is like Care for cutie,
Speaker 3: Like I've always liked the softer the radio heads, the
Speaker 3: yeah the drums, shout out to the drums because I
Speaker 3: got to work with him, so like, you know, like
Speaker 3: I've I really like that side, and I just feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, my character is so brash coming out the
Speaker 3: gate swinging that I don't think I got to show
Speaker 3: that side or showed that I was even interested in
Speaker 3: showing that side.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm really like, I'm really excited.
Speaker 3: But to say it's like, yeah, I'm growing up, but
Speaker 3: I also feel like I am pleasing my inner child because.
Speaker 4: There's still songs on there.
Speaker 3: Son of a Gun, Smoke Bray, There's some songs on
Speaker 3: there that you just know like these are these are
Speaker 3: gonna be classic cult Rick on Nasty records that will
Speaker 3: be played at shows that will get.
Speaker 4: The party started.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, those are the ones that I'm kind of
Speaker 3: just like, I'm never gonna stop making those.
Speaker 4: I'll always be me.
Speaker 3: But there's something that I've done in all my projects.
Speaker 3: It's like there's there's always been like two or three,
Speaker 3: three or four that are like hmm, what's this? This
Speaker 3: is a little bit, this is different, this is cool,
Speaker 3: and I just like showing people like, yeah, there isn't
Speaker 3: a limit to music. I'm not just a rapper. I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm at this point. I'm a real like
Speaker 3: real deal artist. Where we've been, we've been jumped out
Speaker 3: of that. And I do appreciate all of my fans
Speaker 3: that are here because I do my rap music and
Speaker 3: there is rap music on this project. Like, I don't
Speaker 3: want people to think, oh, she's just doing rock or
Speaker 3: softer songs.
Speaker 4: No, like it's still intense. It's a ride. I just
Speaker 4: want people to yeah, I didn't have fun.
Speaker 1: How do you know if something is catchy? Like when
Speaker 1: you're in the studio and you're recording something, because I
Speaker 1: feel like the first two singles are so catchy, Like
Speaker 1: do you have to listen to something a hundred times
Speaker 1: before you know? Like some part of the song, like
Speaker 1: whether it's a riff or the hook, something's gonna like
Speaker 1: embed itself in your mind. Like how do you know?
Speaker 1: Do you play it out somewhere like.
Speaker 4: The kids tell you if it's catchy.
Speaker 1: So you put it out online.
Speaker 4: I don't even put it out online.
Speaker 3: I play it for my son, I send it to
Speaker 3: my little cousins. I just I rely on younger people.
Speaker 1: Are they honest with you always?
Speaker 4: Always?
Speaker 1: What did they say? If they don't like it?
Speaker 4: They just don't respond, super jen z. They just don't respond.
Speaker 1: Does it hurt your feelings?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: I love it? If you know what's funny?
Speaker 3: Like, sometimes I just be wanting, like when I make music,
Speaker 3: I swear, I just be wanting to like welcome to
Speaker 3: a random person and be like, can you listen to
Speaker 3: this real quick enough?
Speaker 4: Yes? Like crowd test.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not scared of that, Like I'm like, you
Speaker 3: like this, come here? You look like you go like this,
Speaker 3: Like I don't really I don't care about that type
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the lot of the kids rely on my friends.
Speaker 3: My friends will told me if something is not My
Speaker 3: friends will tell me halfway through the song if they don't.
Speaker 1: Oh, but sometimes you need but sometimes you need to
Speaker 1: hear a song like eight times before, you know. I
Speaker 1: always have that experience where I listen to something, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't like this, but then if I hear it enough,
Speaker 1: you might hear something different, or you might catch on
Speaker 1: to a lyrics.
Speaker 4: I think, and that this could just be my artist take.
Speaker 3: I think that those two songs are catchy because the
Speaker 3: hooks were made before the verses, So normally I feel
Speaker 3: like that plays a really big part. Spending a lot
Speaker 3: of time on the hook and hearing it over and
Speaker 3: over again. And it's not something that I just pulled
Speaker 3: out of the verse and repeated.
Speaker 4: It's like, yes, we worked on it.
Speaker 3: We worked on melodies, we worked on bridges, we worked
Speaker 3: on tweaking shit and different layers. And how can we
Speaker 3: make especially for teeth sucker, how can we make the
Speaker 3: vocals and the guitar collaborate in a sense.
Speaker 4: And on the low, how can we.
Speaker 3: Repeat this hook but not make them get tired of it?
Speaker 3: And what is it? What's the bounce that we're feeling?
Speaker 3: How do we vocalize that? And it's like when they
Speaker 3: were producing the beat and we were doing the writing
Speaker 3: for the verse, the melody was.
Speaker 4: And then it wound up just being used.
Speaker 3: On the on the course. So I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think that that could play a huge part. Actually, it'll
Speaker 3: take time on the hooks in a kind of like.
Speaker 4: Pop way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what is the hardest part for you, Like,
Speaker 1: is it it's hard for you to come up with melodies?
Speaker 1: Is it hard for you to fill in the lyrics.
Speaker 1: Is it hard for you to think of the overall
Speaker 1: vision for the song, Like, what's the most difficult part.
Speaker 3: The most difficult part, bro, is narrowing down the ideas.
Speaker 4: That's wow, Well that's good.
Speaker 3: That's a good problem, Yeah, because it just feels like
Speaker 3: I'd be wanting to talk about everything all at once,
Speaker 3: and sometimes a song is supposed to be about one thing, soah,
Speaker 3: handeling and honing in on that one thing, thinking of
Speaker 3: bars and metaphors and things that have happened in my
Speaker 3: life to relate to this one thing, and then making
Speaker 3: it sound cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be hard making it sound cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the hardest part too, making it sound cool,
Speaker 3: because I feel like I take a lot of risks
Speaker 3: vocally and sometimes like when I'm rapping, like I don't
Speaker 3: really I just I stretch words and I do stuff
Speaker 3: like you know, just just to be funny, and yes,
Speaker 3: just helped to make it sound I don't know whatever
Speaker 3: the fuck.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought that something was cool and then
Speaker 1: someone told you it was corny?
Speaker 4: Yeah? For sure, for sure, for sure, And like the
Speaker 4: whole first five years of my career.
Speaker 1: That would be hard because you're like, no, like what
Speaker 1: if you're pushing a limit and it's something people haven't
Speaker 1: heard yet. But someone's like closed minded and they don't know.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: I kind of just feel like I've always been a
Speaker 3: niche thing. I've never considered myself a steak dinner. I'm
Speaker 3: a very acquired taste. I'm not something you're gonna find
Speaker 3: at outback steakhouse. Like yeah, I'm not like.
Speaker 4: A fucking blooming onion, Like it's not like you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like fucking what am I? I'm like a like
Speaker 4: a baja.
Speaker 3: Taco like kind like they're really really good fry fish
Speaker 3: Baja tacos. Like you've got to go to a sneakho exactly.
Speaker 3: You have to go to a special spot. It's a
Speaker 3: mom and pop shop. Not everybody knows about it, but
Speaker 3: it tastes good every time. And I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: Like I'm okay with not being McDonald's. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be McDonald So I definitely like pride myself on
Speaker 3: being niche and being unliked in some spaces, Like that's
Speaker 3: totally fine with me.
Speaker 1: That's cool. I feel like that takes courage. Like were
Speaker 1: you like that growing up? Did you care if people like,
Speaker 1: did you care about fitting in? And did you care
Speaker 1: about what people thought about you?
Speaker 4: I think I cared too much.
Speaker 3: I think I cared so much that I cared enough
Speaker 3: for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: Oh huh.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then once I hit eighteen, I was like, wait,
Speaker 4: I don't have to care. But then now let's talk
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 3: Because being eighteen and getting like a shit ton of
Speaker 3: money kind of like thrown at you. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 3: of hard to decipher what you care and don't care about,
Speaker 3: and it just kind of comes off as like all
Speaker 3: over the place.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so you mean like you can't say no
Speaker 1: to the money or.
Speaker 4: You just don't know what to say no to.
Speaker 3: Everything is so new and invigorating and such, so it's
Speaker 3: like I'm not going to say no.
Speaker 4: Why would I say no? And then the older that.
Speaker 3: You get, you realize how powerful the word no is
Speaker 3: and now how much it could have protected you the
Speaker 3: order that you get. But you are so happy to
Speaker 3: even be in the space that you're just like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to say yes, Why would I say no? And yeah,
Speaker 3: you just get older and realize I could have said
Speaker 3: no to that, and you just got to like bet
Speaker 3: On yourself, and I think that's where I am the
Speaker 3: order that I've gotten.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, we've I just feel like I've really.
Speaker 3: Learned how to just trust the decisions that I'm making
Speaker 3: and just trust like, look, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 3: know what I'm doing. None of us know exactly what
Speaker 3: we're doing, but I'm doing it and I'm having a
Speaker 3: fun time.
Speaker 4: And you can save the.
Speaker 3: Judgment for like people who genuinely like want feedback, like.
Speaker 4: Please like I but I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll be back with more from Rico Nasty and Lea
Speaker 2: Rose after the break.
Speaker 1: So when you were eighteen and you started getting checks
Speaker 1: and money thrown at you, was it from for shows?
Speaker 1: Like what was the bulk of the money opportunities coming from.
Speaker 3: So I think like I started rapping and then yeah,
Speaker 3: shows were a huge part, and then I started getting
Speaker 3: record label offers, and then you go.
Speaker 4: Into publishing deals. Then you're going.
Speaker 3: Into like you're just like entering big money conversations, like
Speaker 3: conversations that it's like, let's take a second, let's.
Speaker 4: Read this over. I need a lawyer. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 3: Think like, yeah, when I signed when I signed a deal,
Speaker 3: I was nineteen, and yeah, having that much money so young,
Speaker 3: is like, I'm so blessed to be here today because
Speaker 3: I think at one point everything in my life was
Speaker 3: so excessive. I couldn't just do something in a small way.
Speaker 3: It was so brand I had to spend so much money.
Speaker 3: And it's like.
Speaker 4: I don't know, like I don't know if that's just
Speaker 4: being young, because like being young, like I was like
Speaker 4: a flexoholic.
Speaker 3: I love carrying big wad of cash and obvious seeing
Speaker 3: the kids do it now and I'm.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're good with your money though. I
Speaker 1: saw you talking. It was an interview a while ago,
Speaker 1: and you were saying like it seemed like you were
Speaker 1: good with.
Speaker 4: Oh saving, so good at my money. Now, so good
Speaker 4: at my money.
Speaker 1: And you were talking about being a minimalist. That's what it.
Speaker 3: Was, yes, because I feel like I became like an
Speaker 3: over consumer just just buying things, buying things because of
Speaker 3: the way people like, you know, just falling into the
Speaker 3: I think it was during COVID really falling into the ads.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh oh my god, I have to
Speaker 3: have this. I'm gone this so easy, and then.
Speaker 4: You look and you're like, what is this stuff? Why
Speaker 4: do I have?
Speaker 1: It's a problem.
Speaker 4: What is this? This is?
Speaker 3: This is stuff doesn't even I mean I started really
Speaker 3: really taking the time to like buy things that I
Speaker 3: actually like. Now does that mean that I have a
Speaker 3: closet the size of this studio?
Speaker 4: Of course not. My closet is super small.
Speaker 3: But everything in there I wear, and everything in there
Speaker 3: I love, and everything in there is something I'm going
Speaker 3: to have four years.
Speaker 4: I love.
Speaker 3: Being selective pays off eventually, because in five years, I'm
Speaker 3: going to have a closet that it's like, this is
Speaker 3: still the things that I like and it's not a
Speaker 3: trendy s way.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm curious about with pop artists that
Speaker 1: you observe from where you're at now, Artists that you've
Speaker 1: seen go through different album cycles, different looks, but obviously
Speaker 1: feel like they're trying to cater to the masses. Does
Speaker 1: that like do you feel sorry for them knowing that
Speaker 1: they're probably an artist too, Like they want to be
Speaker 1: going a different direction, but they don't have the freedom
Speaker 1: to do so. Like, have you had conversations with people
Speaker 1: who have confided in you, like I wish I could
Speaker 1: do what you do.
Speaker 3: No, I can just read it. It's just like you
Speaker 3: can tell when stuff isn't genuine. Yeah, you can tell,
Speaker 3: especially if you're like a fan of somebody and you've
Speaker 3: been following them and then all of a sudden, they're
Speaker 3: just like, what.
Speaker 4: The hell when did you start doing that? Okay, but
Speaker 4: you know what I think.
Speaker 3: I think that I look at it from a point
Speaker 3: of view of like, damn, this is probably what they
Speaker 3: wanted to do, because I don't think it could go
Speaker 3: both ways.
Speaker 4: And that's why the music industry.
Speaker 3: Is so scary because in a lot of cases, the
Speaker 3: bigger you get, the more power and artistic control you have.
Speaker 3: It's like we trust in this person's vision. But I
Speaker 3: think that comes with how much you've spoken up for
Speaker 3: yourself leading up to this moment, that you've become somewhat
Speaker 3: of a machine for the labels, Like if you have
Speaker 3: not developed your voice at that time, then yes, you
Speaker 3: can be used as a pawn, and yes you can
Speaker 3: be switched into something that you never were before. But
Speaker 3: you can also be away your whole career and then
Speaker 3: get something and change.
Speaker 4: And that's what you really wanted to do.
Speaker 3: So I can't really look at it and be like
Speaker 3: on no hater shit, like, oh, that's not really them.
Speaker 3: Because it very much could be them, that very much
Speaker 3: could be where they always wanted to be. And I
Speaker 3: think a lot of times, like with artists, it's always
Speaker 3: it's always I think, but that's the art. That's the
Speaker 3: art is conversation, and it's I think that's the beauty
Speaker 3: in it is wanting to know did they do this
Speaker 3: with intention?
Speaker 4: Did they not?
Speaker 3: Did they mean to speak to my soul in this way?
Speaker 3: Like it's you know, that's what music is about.
Speaker 1: Who's somebody who's been around for like ten plus years
Speaker 1: who you're like, Okay, I like how they did it?
Speaker 4: Huh, that's such a good question. That is such a
Speaker 4: good question.
Speaker 1: Like somebody who you really admire, you feel like its
Speaker 1: a true artist and has a real stake in it.
Speaker 4: I feel that way about Huh.
Speaker 3: I have, like I I don't know, I have one
Speaker 3: person that I'm thinking about in particular that I feel
Speaker 3: like I don't want to say their name. I think
Speaker 3: it'll do too much for their ego. I think it'll
Speaker 3: do way too much for their ego. It is a
Speaker 3: girl though. It is a girl though, But watching her
Speaker 3: has shown me that anything is possible, and watching her
Speaker 3: has shown me that I mean and this is not
Speaker 3: a new artist, this is yet this is somebody that
Speaker 3: I watched, like I watched when I was younger, when
Speaker 3: I was in high school.
Speaker 4: I watched and I seeing the shit that they were on.
Speaker 3: And I've seen them get like be like underrated, and
Speaker 3: I seen and always knew how good they really were
Speaker 3: and kind of just always felt like, why they're not
Speaker 3: getting recognition as everybody else. We did do a song together,
Speaker 3: and yeah, just watching them, it's kind of both. It's both,
Speaker 3: and that's the thing that sucks about being an artist.
Speaker 3: It's like feeling like you want that to be you,
Speaker 3: but you push those emotions to the side because you
Speaker 3: can't help. But see how fire it is that somebody
Speaker 3: like broke through what seems to be like a glass
Speaker 3: box that they put us all in and you just
Speaker 3: pop and then it's just done and you don't have
Speaker 3: to play by the rules that anybody else played for.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if anybody can make out, but.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say that, you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: see them.
Speaker 3: And I do feel like, what's actually like in the
Speaker 3: days recently, it feels like they'd be trying to like
Speaker 3: pit us against each other. But I do feel like
Speaker 3: that person was there for me and like such an
Speaker 3: early time in my career that like that's impossible, like
Speaker 3: y'all could never do that, but like, yeah, it is
Speaker 3: amazing seeing that, and it is crazy saying you know
Speaker 3: sometimes shit is like wait, that looks like some shit
Speaker 3: I would it did, Like, yeah, but I think that's
Speaker 3: Rick Rubin talks about that in his book, like everybody
Speaker 3: gets these ideas.
Speaker 4: Who's acting on them?
Speaker 3: Though they'll go to somebody else and there's you know,
Speaker 3: there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that. It's like an
Speaker 3: idea of clouds. But I yeah, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're pretty you know how I'm talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, but so okay, so with the idea.
Speaker 1: So I know that he talks about ideas sort of
Speaker 1: being in the ether. Yes, and like an idea can
Speaker 1: strike more than one person, or it can strike a
Speaker 1: bunch of people at the same time in different.
Speaker 4: Parts of the world, does it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yes? So do you where do you feel like your
Speaker 1: ideas come from? Do you feel like they come from
Speaker 1: like a higher power? Did they come just from you?
Speaker 1: Do they come from your experiences? Like where did these
Speaker 1: ideas in your mind? Come from.
Speaker 3: I think they come from film movies, like movies that
Speaker 3: I've watched in ways that I would like to be
Speaker 3: portrayed if I was in a movie.
Speaker 4: Oh, Like I kind of look at like little videos
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: I've always loved scary movies, and I feel like I
Speaker 3: like things that are weird and quirky and you just
Speaker 3: don't really know where this is going, and like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know the Napoleon Dynamites, the KNA random you know,
Speaker 3: fear and loading in Las Vegas, Like yeah, Mallorie, like
Speaker 3: natural born killers, Like you just never know what's going
Speaker 3: to happen. That's the type of shit that I like.
Speaker 3: And I feel like that that's like, you know, represented
Speaker 3: in my work. I don't think my ideas come from
Speaker 3: like like Jesus, Yeah, the big minders are coming from
Speaker 3: like a higher power, because I think like some of
Speaker 3: this stuff that I'm representing is a little bit too
Speaker 3: worldly for God to have given me that message.
Speaker 1: But when did you start getting into weird ship? Like
Speaker 1: when did you know, like, oh, I might be into
Speaker 1: stuff that maybe my friends aren't into.
Speaker 3: I was probably like when Tyler the Creator came out. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: how old were you thirteen. Uh huh, I hate that
Speaker 3: roach And everybody was.
Speaker 4: Like, hell, oh my god, what do you want to
Speaker 4: listen it is?
Speaker 3: And I had like the shirt, the socks, the backpack,
Speaker 3: like I was a fan. I was a fan And yeah,
Speaker 3: that's when I knew that I was a little bit
Speaker 3: off and I would just do I would do a
Speaker 3: lot of weird stuff when I was a kid. So
Speaker 3: like what like if it was a boy that I
Speaker 3: really liked, like I would like bite him.
Speaker 4: I was just like that type of kid, like Maria,
Speaker 4: I got.
Speaker 3: In trouble today for biting someone. And it's like the
Speaker 3: boy that I had a crush on. My mom is like,
Speaker 3: why the fuck would you bite him? Like I've always
Speaker 3: just been weird?
Speaker 1: Like is your mom in the weird shit? Like is
Speaker 1: there anyone in your family who is?
Speaker 4: Both of my parents are wead as fuck?
Speaker 3: Both of my parents are weird ass fuck Like I
Speaker 3: don't even there's nothing normal about either one of them.
Speaker 3: My dad is weird. He's a left brain person. He's
Speaker 3: like fully creative, very very like, loves to just always
Speaker 3: be doing something. He can't sit down for his to
Speaker 3: save his life.
Speaker 4: My mother is like that lady. She has a wild imagination.
Speaker 3: My mom has a wild imagination, and she will think
Speaker 3: of a scenario quick quick.
Speaker 4: She'd be like, you know, you know what happened to
Speaker 4: Somer Sol.
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, is she usually right? Or is it
Speaker 1: like left field?
Speaker 4: No, my mom's my mom is kind of like me
Speaker 4: where she's like she be. It's like the way she
Speaker 4: says stuff is wrong, but what she's saying it is
Speaker 4: right as fuck.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like she might say something really like why
Speaker 3: would you say that?
Speaker 4: But actually when you break.
Speaker 3: It down, I'm like, damn, I wish I wish I
Speaker 3: had the boss to say that.
Speaker 4: I think that comes with age though, like she just
Speaker 4: doesn't you know, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people will relate to this,
Speaker 3: but like, does anybody have a parent who just don't
Speaker 3: give a fuck about getting canceled?
Speaker 1: Like they just they be saying, like a different generation.
Speaker 3: It's a different like yeah, you guys that are like
Speaker 3: like guys people that are like.
Speaker 4: Fifty right now, they're the book like they don't give
Speaker 4: a fuck. I don't give a fuck. It's so true.
Speaker 4: It's kind of insane because I feel like we like,
Speaker 4: are you know we care?
Speaker 3: Yes, certain things, and y'all just be like y'all, damn sissy.
Speaker 1: We want boundaries. We want everyone to feel that we
Speaker 1: want Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've learned that me and my mom are
Speaker 3: actually very similar. We're very very similar, just generations of art.
Speaker 1: Yes, how was it for you? I imagine that since
Speaker 1: your experience as a young adult and as an adult
Speaker 1: with work was so different than your parents, Like, how
Speaker 1: are you able to figure out what to do? Like
Speaker 1: did you have like a like role model since your
Speaker 1: life was so different?
Speaker 3: My dad helped me in the beginning stages to get
Speaker 3: a lawyer, okay, and help me with nothing else. It'd
Speaker 3: be like all I know is that you need And
Speaker 3: I remember that that was that was. I mean, the
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is I don't have anybody that
Speaker 3: really truly understands. My parents don't fully understand the capacity
Speaker 3: of Like they understand what I've done with my life,
Speaker 3: and they love and respect my career, but they asked
Speaker 3: me all the time, like how the fuck the jew
Speaker 3: pool is all?
Speaker 1: Are they still like you need to get another job
Speaker 1: or do they feel confident that you can like support yourself?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, my mom is always telling me to
Speaker 4: get another job.
Speaker 3: And you need that though, because yet out to my mom,
Speaker 3: because my mom was like, yeah, this rap shit is
Speaker 3: doing great, You're doing amazing. What else do you want
Speaker 3: to do with yourself? Because the doors are all opened
Speaker 3: around you. You can't just walk down this one path forever.
Speaker 3: And then acting came in Yes show, and even being
Speaker 3: on set for that has shown me what a real
Speaker 3: job is like.
Speaker 1: Because wait, tell me about that. So you're gonna be
Speaker 1: in what's it's called? What's it called?
Speaker 4: Margo's Got Money Troubles?
Speaker 1: I love that?
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's a book, so a he wants to know,
Speaker 3: like what show is about?
Speaker 4: Because I can't. I can't say too much.
Speaker 3: But oh, it's like about russ OnlyFans. Oh it's a
Speaker 3: lot though, and it's good. It's like somewhat of a
Speaker 3: heavy topic. Make wait, little freaky stuff here and there.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Has it been a good experience?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been amazing.
Speaker 3: And everybody on set is just so sweet, full of
Speaker 3: energy and makes you feel so comfortable and it's like
Speaker 3: before you know it, the shit just flies by.
Speaker 4: But it is very different from being a rapper. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, are you a good actor? I would say
Speaker 4: so shit, I mean to pull like Apple TV A
Speaker 4: twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I know.
Speaker 4: I think I'm pretty fucking good.
Speaker 1: Anything A twenty four is good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I we had to do like a lot
Speaker 3: of auditions and stuff like oh you did or anybody watching.
Speaker 3: It's not like I just oh, I'm really going nasty,
Speaker 3: give me the roll. I had to like actually audition
Speaker 3: and like go to callbacks. It's like, you know, really
Speaker 3: do it, and they don't give me special treatment.
Speaker 4: On set. I have to be there at six a m.
Speaker 4: Just like body O, what are the days like? Long
Speaker 4: but fun and every I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, they got the fake light in
Speaker 3: you know, in those Hollywood stuios they have like the
Speaker 3: fake lighting and shit like that. So it doesn't ever
Speaker 3: feel like it's getting dark. So you never, like a casino, yeah,
Speaker 3: you never know what time it is until you walk outside,
Speaker 3: which again I love, and I love getting this experience
Speaker 3: of a new job and learning new things, being around
Speaker 3: new people, and learning how things are made because in
Speaker 3: the grand scheme of things, I think that's why I
Speaker 3: got into making music, because I love the way things
Speaker 3: are made and I love making cool things.
Speaker 2: One last break and we back with Rego Nasty.
Speaker 1: So how do you now that the venues are getting bigger?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How big? When you go out on tour for Lethal,
Speaker 1: how big will the venues be?
Speaker 4: Ah bigger bigger than the last time.
Speaker 3: And it's not to say that I'm doing fucking arenas
Speaker 3: or anything, but it is.
Speaker 4: It's a different space.
Speaker 1: It must be so cool just to see the crowds
Speaker 1: grow and change, like from your first, like your first
Speaker 1: or your second round of shows. How has the audience changed?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Well I was doing like sweet sixteens
Speaker 4: and stuff, so oh were you really? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did like a lot of Sweet sixteens and I
Speaker 3: did high school.
Speaker 4: Like what was I doing? Like pep rallies and shit?
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I don't even have a microphone?
Speaker 1: Okay, how did you know what to do on stage?
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of.
Speaker 3: Like the same thing that happens on set for a
Speaker 3: music video where kind of just is like a like
Speaker 3: a blur, like I really don't know what I'm doing
Speaker 3: when I'm doing it.
Speaker 4: I just know, like.
Speaker 3: I just know that when it's done, I'll know when
Speaker 3: it's good. But like when I'm doing it, I kind
Speaker 3: of feel like you just have to get into character
Speaker 3: a little bit, and that sometimes requires like zoning out.
Speaker 4: So I feel like, yeah, in a sense, I like.
Speaker 3: When I'm on stage, are about to go on stage,
Speaker 3: it's like I get super quiet and then it's kind.
Speaker 4: Of like, Okay, it's good time.
Speaker 3: And I think when I'm getting quiet, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: just like praying for courage, because I think that's all
Speaker 3: that is, just courage to like ignore perception for an hour,
Speaker 3: because that's that's like scary, like getting up there and
Speaker 3: people are perceiving you and they can think whatever they
Speaker 3: want to think. That can be scary. I think that's
Speaker 3: what causes people that have stage fright. But I think
Speaker 3: like once I pray to like remove that and kind
Speaker 3: of like blind me from perception for just an hour.
Speaker 4: I don't need it all day.
Speaker 3: I'm sure people are going to give their comments, but
Speaker 3: just for an hour, you just get up there and
Speaker 3: it's just like a playground, Like the world is your oyster.
Speaker 3: Like you're fiting off of them, they're feeding off of you,
Speaker 3: and before you know it, it's three songs left and
Speaker 3: fly back home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So is.
Speaker 1: It perception so sort of like judgment, like you don't
Speaker 1: want to feel judgment from the crowd. Is that what
Speaker 1: you mean by perception?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like judgment or just like I wouldn't say judgment
Speaker 3: because they're damn sure or not, they're they're not judging me.
Speaker 3: It's like this feeling of like who they think I am,
Speaker 3: you know, like the screaming, the chanting, the like the
Speaker 3: hype that I can hear backstage before I go on stage.
Speaker 3: I feel like and that that's like perception in a
Speaker 3: way because they think that I'm whatever the hell they think,
Speaker 3: and I'm literally just a girl. I'm literally just gonna
Speaker 3: tell me her before I come on stage. Yeah girl,
Speaker 3: So I think that perception of like oh they think
Speaker 3: you're they think you're amazing, an youboty show them what
Speaker 3: you know. So it's it's just that like wanting to
Speaker 3: live live up to that and getting up there and
Speaker 3: not necessarily caring if you live up to that, and
Speaker 3: it's just been like, well, this is me and you're
Speaker 3: watching me, and I hope you have a good time.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: Like I don't really try to fit into like oh,
Speaker 3: well they think that I'm going to be like this,
Speaker 3: so let me come out there and be like this,
Speaker 3: like it's not. I just am like they probably think
Speaker 3: I'm going to be like this, but this is who
Speaker 3: I am. I'm going to be who I am. I'm
Speaker 3: going to make jokes, I'm gonna take breaks in between
Speaker 3: the song. I'm going to drink my water.
Speaker 4: I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. So when you go to start a
Speaker 1: new project, do you how do you deal with that
Speaker 1: perception and do you feel like that has influenced the
Speaker 1: way that you shape a new project.
Speaker 3: I feel like worrying about perception and what people know
Speaker 3: me as can it can pigeonhole you.
Speaker 4: They've been saying that I like that word, and that
Speaker 4: kind of my felt.
Speaker 3: Like making work and comparing it to my last and well,
Speaker 3: should I keep doing this because this is what they
Speaker 3: this is what they know and love and kind of
Speaker 3: like finding finding yourself and finding your voice through all that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I think it's like a double edged sword, Like, yes,
Speaker 3: I want to care. I want to appeal to the
Speaker 3: fans that I already have, the fans that I've built.
Speaker 4: I love y'all. I want to make an album for
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 3: But what about all the stuff that I've learned and
Speaker 3: what about the stuff that I like now, like why
Speaker 3: can't I share that? And that's where your voice comes in,
Speaker 3: cause it's like you can. There is nothing wrong with
Speaker 3: waking up and wanting to try something different, And me,
Speaker 3: of all people, I feel like I'm very blessed to
Speaker 3: have the fans that I have because they've never like,
Speaker 3: they've never nonchalanted my different shit. Like when I was
Speaker 3: doing hyper Pop, they liked it. When I was doing
Speaker 3: Sugar Trap, they liked it. And I feel like they've
Speaker 3: grown with me. So yeah, I kind of was in
Speaker 3: that headspace for a little bit of like, oh well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can be different like this
Speaker 3: because that's what they know me for. But then I
Speaker 3: had to look at how they supported me before, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is not thing, They'll love it.
Speaker 4: This is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good to have that, to have that confidence
Speaker 1: to move forward how you want to move. This is
Speaker 1: something I was curious about after watching a couple of
Speaker 1: documentaries about you. Most of them were like early on
Speaker 1: in your career, some like the Fader doc with you
Speaker 1: on the Road. It's such a different lifestyle than most
Speaker 1: people are used to living. Was there anything in your
Speaker 1: early life or anything that prepared you for that lifestyle change.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my parents divorce.
Speaker 3: Maybe like having to stay at somebody's house every weekend.
Speaker 3: Maybe like having like you know, my suitcase, my designated days.
Speaker 4: Maybe that help. I don't know boarding school I went to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you go to board What age were
Speaker 1: you when you went to boarding school? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I went to boarding school from the sixth grade to
Speaker 3: the ninth grade, So I don't know how old I
Speaker 3: was in the sixth grade properly, like twelve.
Speaker 1: How did that come about? Like white boarding school?
Speaker 3: My mom had seen my grades like significantly drop, but
Speaker 3: I was very smart, and everybody knew that I was smart.
Speaker 3: They just knew I wasn't trying because I just wasn't trying.
Speaker 3: And then my mom had got like a paper in
Speaker 3: the mail for like a school named the Seed School and.
Speaker 4: A lottery and like all this stuff.
Speaker 3: My mom filled it out. We went to orientation, we
Speaker 3: went to a lottery. They picked my number. It was
Speaker 3: forty girls, forty boys. It's like one of those new
Speaker 3: school startups, so it's not like an established Like I
Speaker 3: don't want people to get it confused, Like my mom
Speaker 3: paid for me to go to boarding school.
Speaker 4: This was a free college prep boarding school.
Speaker 1: It was wow, like uniforms and everything everything.
Speaker 3: My mom didn't pay a dime. We did not have
Speaker 3: money to do shit like that. So I remember it
Speaker 3: being just like everybody in my family was like, bro,
Speaker 3: this is a crazy opportunity.
Speaker 4: I can't believe it got in.
Speaker 3: So this is like the first part of my life
Speaker 3: where I said yes to something when I didn't really
Speaker 3: want to, but I saw how it made everybody else react,
Speaker 3: so I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Gotta do it. During this time too, I was very artistic,
Speaker 4: like I love drawing, I love painting, I love doodling
Speaker 4: and shit like that. But I also was like playing
Speaker 4: soccer real good.
Speaker 3: So like my mom was like, are you gonna start
Speaker 3: to school and you're gonna play soccer? So I'm playing
Speaker 3: soccer and I'm hating it. Like the hours, like I
Speaker 3: was at school all day, get out, have lunch or
Speaker 3: snack or whatever, study hall, and then you go to
Speaker 3: like soccer practice, and then you go back to the dorms,
Speaker 3: you have dinner. It's like very it's like so grown up,
Speaker 3: very grown up. And I was doing that from six
Speaker 3: to ninth grade. So if anybody wants to know how
Speaker 3: my time management is great, and how I have like
Speaker 3: the ability to just like just get shit done.
Speaker 4: I think it was that.
Speaker 3: I think it was like traveling on that campus at
Speaker 3: that young and then I got expelled from that school because.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so on purpose, did you like make it happen,
Speaker 1: like formulate a plan?
Speaker 3: Ah, this is so crazy to say. I didn't like
Speaker 3: formulate a plan, but I did do something. I actually
Speaker 3: went as far as going to the principal and telling
Speaker 3: him I'm like or her.
Speaker 4: I don't remember who.
Speaker 3: It was at the time, because it was like a
Speaker 3: vice principal, real principle, like a whole little board. And
Speaker 3: I remember telling them that I wanted to go study
Speaker 3: a public school so that I could see the real
Speaker 3: difference between the two. Oh, and they said, yeah, so
Speaker 3: they sent me to my zone school, Flowers, this is
Speaker 3: my next. They sent me to my zone school. And
Speaker 3: I get there and man, like, they had drama, they
Speaker 3: had soccer, they had lacrosse, they had volleyball, they had
Speaker 3: upper classmen. They had a cafeteria, they had they got
Speaker 3: to go home, they had phones, they got to wear
Speaker 3: cool shoes, they got to have they I could not
Speaker 3: go back to that boarding school, like it almost had
Speaker 3: felt like I had seen too much and I was like,
Speaker 3: there's no way, no, Like I can't go here. I
Speaker 3: don't want to go here no more. So my mom
Speaker 3: was like, hell, no, you're going back to school. And
Speaker 3: while this is crazy, while obviously studying the school and
Speaker 3: all of that thing, like comparing the two, I found
Speaker 3: out like, oh this is these are things that would
Speaker 3: get you expelled. And what it happened was I I
Speaker 3: was like obsessed with like was Khalifa and whatnot. So
Speaker 3: we were at the bus. My friends said they had weed.
Speaker 3: I smoked weed with them. We get back to school.
Speaker 3: The bus aide told we all had the right statements.
Speaker 3: I kept my mouth shut. This one girl she rat
Speaker 3: it on everybody. Everybody was quiet. She's the only person
Speaker 3: that told on everybody. We all got expelled and I
Speaker 3: had to go to public school. But that wanted to
Speaker 3: be the best thing ever because I remember I got
Speaker 3: expelled and then I started going to school and they
Speaker 3: said you got to Instagram and I was like no,
Speaker 3: and I made my Instagram and it was rico nasty.
Speaker 4: Wow, How funny is that?
Speaker 1: What year is that?
Speaker 3: That is two thousand and eleven, twenty eleven, twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: Wow, and then the mixtape was like two years later.
Speaker 4: Your first tape was yeah, two thousand and thirteen.
Speaker 1: Do you think you would have been able to do
Speaker 1: a mixtape at the prep school? Now?
Speaker 3: There wasn't any Like it was an up and coming school,
Speaker 3: so there really wasn't any programs. Like when I was
Speaker 3: there from sixth to eighth grade, I had an art teacher.
Speaker 3: Her name was Miss Labonte, and I was like making
Speaker 3: art and we were selling it at the end of
Speaker 3: the year and like art shows and like she was
Speaker 3: my dog. And my ninth grade year, Miss Labonte didn't
Speaker 3: come back, so like, I fuck, And I just didn't
Speaker 3: have a teacher that like I felt like like cared
Speaker 3: about me or like had like a safe space like
Speaker 3: at lunch, I could just go in there and I
Speaker 3: could just hang out with her listen to music and
Speaker 3: she's like I didn't have nobody like that, and I
Speaker 3: didn't really have that many friends because I was weird.
Speaker 4: So once she left, it was kind of just like
Speaker 4: I don't want to do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that just goes to show how important teachers are
Speaker 3: because she was.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: Both art teachers at that school and the school I
Speaker 3: ended up with Charles Erbert Flowers, my art teacher, mister Hobbes.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would have got through high school
Speaker 3: if it wasn't for mister Hobbs. Like he was a
Speaker 3: safe space, like yeah, go in there, draw and it
Speaker 3: like it didn't have to be your period, it didn't
Speaker 3: have to be like he knew when people needed to
Speaker 3: come in there and just like.
Speaker 4: Just chill.
Speaker 1: Yeah we had that. Yeah, we had that at my
Speaker 1: school with a photo teacher, Miss Fanel, And there would
Speaker 1: always be kids, like kids that kind of like didn't
Speaker 1: fit in would go just hang out in her classroom.
Speaker 4: Yes, Like I just would be in there.
Speaker 3: And if I didn't have a space like that, like
Speaker 3: I feel like I would have gotten in so much
Speaker 3: trouble and just been like skipping and I probably wouldn't
Speaker 3: have graduated, like not have an outlet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so did your mom?
Speaker 1: So after you got kicked out of the school and
Speaker 1: you started doing music, did your mom think like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: was your mom worried about how you were gonna turn out?
Speaker 4: I hit it for my mom.
Speaker 3: The only reason my mom knew that I made a
Speaker 3: mixtape is because I got in trouble at I as
Speaker 3: bad as shit.
Speaker 4: I got in trouble at school for not going to school.
Speaker 3: For no. I got a phone call home from a
Speaker 3: teacher because I skipped her class in particular, for like
Speaker 3: two weeks straight.
Speaker 4: I just didn't go.
Speaker 3: Because her class was after lunch, and I would leave
Speaker 3: at lunch to go make a song, and then I
Speaker 3: would come back from my fourth period and.
Speaker 4: Then I would go home.
Speaker 3: So, no, girl, I'm not about to go to your
Speaker 3: class like you teaching me how to type on a keyboard.
Speaker 4: Why do I have to go to your class. I
Speaker 4: don't know how to type on this keyboard faster than you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're up on this keyboard. I know like the back
Speaker 4: of my hand. Why do I have to be in there?
Speaker 4: So yeah. She called my mom and my mom was like,
Speaker 4: what in your what have you been doing? I told her.
Speaker 3: I was like, yep, I was making a mixtape and
Speaker 3: what she doing? You didn't give a damn by no mixtape.
Speaker 3: She punished me. She was like, you're on punishment. I'm
Speaker 3: like in the middle of my rollout, but she's gonna
Speaker 3: take my phone in the middle of my rollout.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I am. She didn't take my phone, but
Speaker 4: I was on punishment.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do anything, but like I was on Twitter
Speaker 3: promoting the shit out that project.
Speaker 1: How did your Instagram? Like, when was the first time
Speaker 1: that you're in you saw your like followers jump?
Speaker 3: Oh that's so, that's such a good question. It was
Speaker 3: like gradual. I don't know, No, I remember.
Speaker 1: You didn't have like a one day you woke up
Speaker 1: like where you maybe released something, and then you.
Speaker 3: Had like I was watching it the whole time, just
Speaker 3: move a little by little, yeah, like but it was
Speaker 3: like when my first two songs drop Hay Arnold and
Speaker 3: not Carly and then fucking lo Yati had hopped on
Speaker 3: Hey Arnold, and I remember just like I mean, even
Speaker 3: with my SoundCloud, I remember just sitting by the computer
Speaker 3: refreshing it and watching it go up by the thousands.
Speaker 4: I remember watching my followers go up by.
Speaker 3: The k's like it'd be like, yeah, one point two
Speaker 3: point three point.
Speaker 4: Was watching it go up and go up, and now
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: My followers have been going down for like five years,
Speaker 3: like losing so many followers. But I kind of just
Speaker 3: be like, I don't know, like I just I don't
Speaker 3: pay attention to that shit anymore as much as I
Speaker 3: used to. I used to be like, like I didn't
Speaker 3: like my team had to tell me that teeth Sucker
Speaker 3: was almost at a million views. I was like, what,
Speaker 3: that's so crazy, Like, but I think there's freedom in
Speaker 3: that because it can be kind of scary as artists
Speaker 3: looking at like numbers, it can make you like not
Speaker 3: want to do stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, so okay, so you said that your mom is
Speaker 1: always telling you that you need to get like a
Speaker 1: side job or whatever, which you know that's debatable, But
Speaker 1: what would you do, like if you had to do
Speaker 1: something more straight, what would it be?
Speaker 3: I would probably like go to school to like understand
Speaker 3: how to produce like leather goods.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know that's pretty random, but produce leather goods.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like leather boots and jackets.
Speaker 1: Leather jackets, wow, so like actually craft them.
Speaker 4: Yeah? I really love leather boots.
Speaker 3: And if anybody like it is familiar with like my
Speaker 3: boot game, Like I love boots, And something that I
Speaker 3: see myself doing when I get older is actually like
Speaker 3: taking the time and and just you know, developing a.
Speaker 1: Boot that is not what I thought you were gonna say.
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say, produce music.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: No, For when I get older, I want to do
Speaker 3: something that's like lucrative, very lucrative, very like oh shit,
Speaker 3: she does that, Like I don't want to be I
Speaker 3: don't want to be fucking torking on stage.
Speaker 1: What's the cutoff?
Speaker 4: What age is it? Oh?
Speaker 1: You have three years?
Speaker 4: No? No, no, the cutoff?
Speaker 3: Bro, there is no cutoff because watching Air Cuba don career. Yeah,
Speaker 3: watching Bro, watching a lot of the women in music,
Speaker 3: like they make their careers last as long as they
Speaker 3: want them to. And so I don't really think there
Speaker 3: is a limit on anything. I just know, like, Bro,
Speaker 3: I just don't. I can't see myself torn at forty,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I'm gonna be so picky.
Speaker 1: But what if it was private jet, like it was
Speaker 1: made very easy for you.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I get and I can do it maybe
Speaker 3: twenty more years.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like the older you get, like you
Speaker 1: know you have to make certain changes.
Speaker 3: I don't know though, because when those look girl, when
Speaker 3: you start taking a private jet, that means you're probably
Speaker 3: doing two shows in a day.
Speaker 4: So it's like there's reward.
Speaker 1: Right, It's not free. It's not free.
Speaker 4: No going so yeah, I don't know, but our computer
Speaker 4: is about to die.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you for talking.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
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