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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, this is justin Richmond from the Broken Record podcast.

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Speaker 1: Join me this June for a live taping of Broken

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Speaker 1: a career spanning conversation about their inspirations and dynamic styles.

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Speaker 1: Hope to see there. Rico Nasty is a genre defying

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Speaker 1: force and contemporary hip hop known for hurrah unapologetic style

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Speaker 1: and fearless experimentation. Rico started releasing mixtapes while still in

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Speaker 1: high school in Maryland, with early tracks like I Carly

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Speaker 1: and Hey Arnold Catching Fire Online. You're dropping five mixtapes independently.

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Speaker 1: She signed with Atlantic Records in twenty eighteen and introduced

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Speaker 1: the world to her signature Sugar Trap Sound, a blend

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Speaker 1: of aggressive new metal energy and trap production on breakout

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Speaker 1: tracks like Smack a Bitch and Rage. Today, Leo Rose

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Speaker 1: sits down with Rico as she prepares to release her

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Speaker 1: fourth studio album Lethal. They dive into everything from the

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Speaker 1: beautiful chaos of female heavy mosh pits at her shows,

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Speaker 1: money as a teenager, to how she landed her first

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Speaker 1: acting role in the upcoming A twenty four Apple TV

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Speaker 1: series Margo Scott Troubles. To see the full video version

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Speaker 1: of this interview, head over to YouTube dot com slash

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Speaker 1: Broken Record Podcast. This is Broken Record, real musicians, real conversations.

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Speaker 1: Now here's Leah Rose with Rico Nasty.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk Lethal.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: I just saw your new video on the low. Came

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Speaker 4: out to yeah, and it's so different. So when I

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Speaker 4: heard the song, I pictured baby pink and like you

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Speaker 4: in like a candy store or something like really sweet

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Speaker 4: and girly. And then I see the video and it's

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, this is different.

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Speaker 2: So how did you come up with a visual? How

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to still keep my grunge.

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Speaker 5: Like I think the overall inspiration was like horror movie vibes,

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Speaker 5: like still embodying like this winter type of energy, like

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Speaker 5: Winter Ringleader type of energy. But I feel like I

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Speaker 3: This shot is cool, this is fire.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, shout out to the director on that, because

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Speaker 5: what actually happened is I had sent one treatment and

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Speaker 5: he and I broke it up into so many different

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Speaker 5: so excited to drop more visuals because everyone's so excited

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Speaker 5: about about this one. Obviously this one is a lot

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Speaker 5: like moving forward. I just really like, yeah, i feel

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Speaker 5: like I'm just taking all the risks and just doing

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Speaker 3: My authenticity and like the things.

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Speaker 5: That I enjoy, because I feel like I don't really

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I know it's very much not you, but I felt

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how I felt too.

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Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, like, well, it could

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Speaker 5: like in my own way, but like, yeah, that song

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Speaker 3: Oh soffer.

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Speaker 4: So when you say you sent a treatment, what is that?

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Speaker 2: Is it like different shots? Like what is a treatment?

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Speaker 5: So a treatment is basically a shot list of everything

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Speaker 5: People follow more like mood boards, but I think mood

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Speaker 3: Because it's too like spot on.

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Speaker 3: The treatment will normally be like.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, like I use like videos that I like.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember any references like movies or other videos.

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Speaker 3: Like, so, yeah, it's not always other music videos.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sometimes it's like actual films and things that

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Speaker 5: Like another one is AFX twin Yeah, window lickor love

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Speaker 5: on it. I was like, last minute, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: So I thought about it. Yeah, sense of like at.

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Speaker 5: The shows, like and people who are doing like the

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Speaker 5: a language that could come with it, Like the leader

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Speaker 5: of the pit could have, you know, the flag, the

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Speaker 5: person who's come into the show. It's ready to function up.

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Speaker 5: You have your flag, and you keep your flag up

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Speaker 2: Do people usually bring flags to the pit.

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Speaker 3: They bring all types of shit to the pit.

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Speaker 5: It's some so though I don't even know how the

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Speaker 4: It's so crazy, Like I feel like your shows are

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in those earlier days, it was really really crazy

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Speaker 5: watching everybody just like get their shit off their chests.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we don't really get to do that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like there's a misconception about it too,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like there's some there's a sense

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Speaker 3: Everyone kind of like.

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Speaker 3: And I think like where that comes from.

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Speaker 5: It is just like so much anger having to be

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Speaker 5: It's like, where is the space to just be a

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Speaker 4: And not care what you look like, get sweaty, like

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Speaker 2: Like it just it's such a release.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I love that part too because I go

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Speaker 5: done have a time, And I just, yeah, I love

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Speaker 5: that and I live for that. And that's not pretty,

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Speaker 5: That's not I don't think that's meant to be pretty.

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Speaker 3: And I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate the fact that they allow me that space

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Speaker 5: getting Fu Sun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever wanted to do like a make a

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Speaker 4: just like, I don't think it's the right time, or

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Speaker 3: Hm? I think like me being you know, the smack

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Speaker 5: I'm very rah And I think that when you think

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Speaker 5: songs on this album that don't have that. It's rock music, though,

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Speaker 5: and it's more so influenced by the rock music that

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Speaker 5: I actually listen to. Like, it's more so influenced by like,

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Speaker 3: Yes, I see.

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Speaker 5: I'm like so happy that people are receiving on the

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Speaker 3: You're gonna get like.

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Speaker 5: Another vulnerable side of me with these rock songs that's

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Speaker 5: I'm like really excited for people to hear those because

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Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think people thought I could

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Speaker 2: Yes, is that?

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Speaker 4: Do you think you getting into the like the beachy

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Speaker 4: rock or the more mellow side of things, like what

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Speaker 4: you actually listen to? Is that you getting older?

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Speaker 2: Do you think?

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Speaker 4: Is that just where you're at in your life? Like

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Speaker 4: where have you always listened to sort of like more

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I always listened to more mellow stuff really. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 5: literally my favorite band is like Care for Cutie, Like

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Speaker 5: I've always liked the softer the radio Heads. They's the

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Speaker 5: work with him, so like you know, like I've I

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Speaker 5: really like that side, and I just feel like, you know,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm really like, I'm really excited.

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Speaker 5: But to say it's like, yeah, I'm growing up, But

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Speaker 3: No, Like it's still intense. It's a ride. I just

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Speaker 2: How do you know if something is catchy?

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Speaker 2: Like how do you know? Do you play it out

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Speaker 5: I don't even put it out online. I play it

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Speaker 3: I love it if you know what's funny?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the lot on the kids rely on my friends.

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Speaker 4: Oh, but sometimes you need but sometimes you need to

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Speaker 5: I think that those two songs are catchy because the

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Speaker 3: Pop way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what is the hardest part for you? Like,

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Speaker 3: The most difficult part, bro, is narrowing down the ideas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be hard making it sound cool.

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Speaker 2: Ever thought that something was cool and then someone told

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Speaker 3: Yeah? For sure, for sure, for sure, and like the

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Speaker 4: Hard because you're like, no, like what if you're pushing

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 5: I kind of just feel like I've always been a

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Speaker 5: shop exactly, you have to go to a special spot.

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Speaker 5: It's a mom and pop shop. Not everybody knows about it,

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Speaker 5: but it tastes good every time. And I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm okay with not being McDonald's.

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Speaker 5: So I definitely like pride myself on being niche and

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Speaker 4: Like were you like that growing up? Did you care

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Speaker 1: Oh huh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And then once I hit eighteen, I was like, wait,

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about that because being eighteen and getting like

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Speaker 5: it's kind of hard to decipher what you care and

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, so you mean like you can't say no

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Speaker 3: You just don't know what to say no to.

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Speaker 5: Everything is so new and invigorating, and so it's so exciting.

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Speaker 3: And then the older that you.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what I'm doing. None of us know

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Speaker 5: for like people who genuinely like want feedback like.

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Speaker 3: Please like I but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Rose after the break.

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Speaker 4: So when you were eighteen and you started getting checks

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Speaker 2: Like what was the bulk of the money opportunities coming from?

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Speaker 5: So I think like I started rapping and then yeah,

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Speaker 3: It was so grand. I had to spend so much money.

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Speaker 5: I love carrying big wags of cash and obviously seeing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you're good with your money though.

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Speaker 3: So good at my money now, so good at my money,

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Speaker 3: and you were.

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Speaker 5: That's what it was, Yes, because I I feel like

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Speaker 2: It's a problem?

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Speaker 5: What is this?

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Speaker 3: This is? This is stuff?

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Speaker 5: Doesn't even I mean I started really really taking the

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Speaker 3: Now, does that mean that I have a closet the

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Speaker 3: My closet is super small.

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Speaker 5: But everything in there I wear, and everything in there

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Speaker 5: to have four years love.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I love this.

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Speaker 5: going to have a closet that.

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00:22:27,796 --> 00:22:30,996
Speaker 3: It's like, this is still the things that I like

445
00:22:31,156 --> 00:22:33,236
Speaker 3: and it's not a trendy yes way.

446
00:22:34,036 --> 00:22:36,716
Speaker 4: This is what I'm curious about with pop artists that

447
00:22:36,836 --> 00:22:40,636
Speaker 4: you observe from where you're at now, Artists that you've

448
00:22:40,756 --> 00:22:45,636
Speaker 4: seen go through different album cycles, different looks, but obviously

449
00:22:45,756 --> 00:22:46,516
Speaker 4: feel like they're.

450
00:22:46,396 --> 00:22:48,796
Speaker 2: Trying to cater to the masses.

451
00:22:50,996 --> 00:22:51,356
Speaker 3: Does that.

452
00:22:52,876 --> 00:22:55,116
Speaker 4: Like, do you feel sorry for them knowing that they're

453
00:22:55,156 --> 00:22:57,436
Speaker 4: probably an artist too, Like they want to be going

454
00:22:57,476 --> 00:22:59,476
Speaker 4: in a different direction, but they don't have the freedom

455
00:22:59,556 --> 00:23:02,316
Speaker 4: to do so. Like, have you had conversations with people

456
00:23:02,836 --> 00:23:05,076
Speaker 4: who have confided in you, like I wish I could.

457
00:23:04,916 --> 00:23:08,196
Speaker 3: Do what you do? No, I can just read it.

458
00:23:08,756 --> 00:23:11,356
Speaker 3: It's it's like you can tell when stuff isn't genuine.

459
00:23:11,916 --> 00:23:14,076
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can tell, especially if you're like a fan

460
00:23:14,156 --> 00:23:16,156
Speaker 5: of somebody and you've been following them and then all

461
00:23:16,196 --> 00:23:16,876
Speaker 5: of a sudden.

462
00:23:16,636 --> 00:23:20,276
Speaker 3: They're just like, what the hell when did you start

463
00:23:20,436 --> 00:23:20,796
Speaker 3: doing that?

464
00:23:21,076 --> 00:23:25,396
Speaker 5: Okay, but you know what, I think I think that

465
00:23:26,556 --> 00:23:29,676
Speaker 5: I look at it from a point of view of like, damn,

466
00:23:29,756 --> 00:23:33,396
Speaker 5: this is probably what they wanted to do, because I

467
00:23:33,476 --> 00:23:36,356
Speaker 5: don't think it could go both ways. And that's why

468
00:23:36,396 --> 00:23:38,676
Speaker 5: the music industry is so scary because in a lot

469
00:23:38,716 --> 00:23:42,236
Speaker 5: of cases, the bigger you get, the more power and

470
00:23:42,476 --> 00:23:45,716
Speaker 5: artistic control you have. It's like we trust in this

471
00:23:45,796 --> 00:23:49,036
Speaker 5: person's vision. But I think that comes with how much

472
00:23:49,076 --> 00:23:51,636
Speaker 5: you've spoken up for yourself leading up to this moment,

473
00:23:51,756 --> 00:23:54,276
Speaker 5: that you've become somewhat of a machine for the labels.

474
00:23:54,676 --> 00:23:57,636
Speaker 5: Like if you have not developed your voice at that time,

475
00:23:57,756 --> 00:23:59,356
Speaker 5: then yes, you can be used as a pawn, and

476
00:23:59,476 --> 00:24:02,276
Speaker 5: yes you can be switched into something that you never

477
00:24:02,396 --> 00:24:06,756
Speaker 5: were before, but you can also be away your whole

478
00:24:06,916 --> 00:24:10,956
Speaker 5: career and then get some thing and change, and that's

479
00:24:11,076 --> 00:24:14,076
Speaker 5: what you really wanted to do. So I can't really

480
00:24:14,276 --> 00:24:16,796
Speaker 5: look at it and be like on no hater shit, like, oh,

481
00:24:16,876 --> 00:24:20,196
Speaker 5: that's not really them, because it very much could be them.

482
00:24:20,756 --> 00:24:22,596
Speaker 3: That very much could be where they always want it

483
00:24:22,676 --> 00:24:22,836
Speaker 3: to be.

484
00:24:23,476 --> 00:24:26,276
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times with artists it's

485
00:24:26,316 --> 00:24:28,756
Speaker 5: always it's always I think, but that's the art. That's

486
00:24:28,836 --> 00:24:31,956
Speaker 5: the art is conversation, and it's I think that's the

487
00:24:32,036 --> 00:24:34,676
Speaker 5: beauty in it is wanting to know did they do

488
00:24:34,796 --> 00:24:35,516
Speaker 5: this with intention?

489
00:24:35,716 --> 00:24:37,476
Speaker 3: Did they not? Did they mean to speak to my

490
00:24:37,676 --> 00:24:40,916
Speaker 3: soul in this way? Like it's you know, that's what

491
00:24:41,116 --> 00:24:41,756
Speaker 3: music is about.

492
00:24:42,516 --> 00:24:46,356
Speaker 4: Who's somebody who's been around for like ten plus years

493
00:24:46,716 --> 00:24:49,196
Speaker 4: who you're like, Okay, I like how they did it.

494
00:24:50,516 --> 00:24:51,876
Speaker 3: Huh. That's such a good question.

495
00:24:52,596 --> 00:24:55,636
Speaker 4: That is such a good question, Like somebody who you

496
00:24:55,756 --> 00:24:59,196
Speaker 4: really admire, do you feel like it's a true artist

497
00:24:59,516 --> 00:25:00,876
Speaker 4: and has a real stake in it?

498
00:25:04,876 --> 00:25:07,076
Speaker 3: I feel that way about Huh.

499
00:25:07,516 --> 00:25:08,236
Speaker 2: I have like I have.

500
00:25:09,476 --> 00:25:09,876
Speaker 3: I don't know.

501
00:25:10,796 --> 00:25:13,716
Speaker 5: I have one person that I'm thinking about in particular

502
00:25:14,956 --> 00:25:19,596
Speaker 5: that I feel like I don't want to say their name.

503
00:25:20,396 --> 00:25:23,716
Speaker 5: I think it'll do too much for their ego. I

504
00:25:23,796 --> 00:25:25,996
Speaker 5: think it'll do way too much for their ego.

505
00:25:26,516 --> 00:25:29,756
Speaker 3: It is a girl though. It is a girl though.

506
00:25:30,356 --> 00:25:35,156
Speaker 5: But watching her has shown me that anything is possible,

507
00:25:36,796 --> 00:25:40,836
Speaker 5: and watching her has shown me that I mean and

508
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:42,476
Speaker 5: this is not a new artist. This is yeah, this

509
00:25:42,596 --> 00:25:45,316
Speaker 5: is somebody that I watched, Like I watched when I

510
00:25:45,516 --> 00:25:47,036
Speaker 5: was younger, when I was in high school.

511
00:25:47,156 --> 00:25:48,716
Speaker 3: I watched and I've seen the shit that.

512
00:25:48,756 --> 00:25:51,636
Speaker 5: They were on, and I've seen them get like be

513
00:25:51,836 --> 00:25:56,236
Speaker 5: like underrated, and I seen and always knew how good

514
00:25:56,276 --> 00:25:58,756
Speaker 5: they really were and kind of just always felt like

515
00:25:59,476 --> 00:26:03,396
Speaker 5: why they're not getting recognition as everybody else.

516
00:26:05,676 --> 00:26:08,036
Speaker 3: We did do a song together, and.

517
00:26:09,956 --> 00:26:13,036
Speaker 5: Yeah, just watching them, it's kind of both. It's both,

518
00:26:13,276 --> 00:26:15,276
Speaker 5: and that's the thing that sucks about being an artist.

519
00:26:15,316 --> 00:26:19,476
Speaker 5: It's like feeling like you want that to be you,

520
00:26:20,156 --> 00:26:22,916
Speaker 5: but you push those emotions to the side because you

521
00:26:23,036 --> 00:26:25,676
Speaker 5: can't help. But see how fire it is that somebody

522
00:26:25,796 --> 00:26:29,316
Speaker 5: like broke through what seems to be like a glass

523
00:26:29,396 --> 00:26:31,396
Speaker 5: box that they put us all in and you just

524
00:26:31,956 --> 00:26:34,396
Speaker 5: pop and then it's just done and you don't have

525
00:26:34,476 --> 00:26:36,396
Speaker 5: to play by the rules that anybody else play it for.

526
00:26:36,956 --> 00:26:40,276
Speaker 5: So I don't know if anybody can make out, but

527
00:26:41,596 --> 00:26:45,916
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna see them. And I do feel like,

528
00:26:46,556 --> 00:26:51,076
Speaker 5: what's actually like in the days recently, it feels like

529
00:26:51,116 --> 00:26:53,236
Speaker 5: they'd be trying to like pit us against each other.

530
00:26:53,916 --> 00:26:56,756
Speaker 5: But I do feel like that person was was there

531
00:26:56,876 --> 00:26:59,476
Speaker 5: for me and like such an early time in my

532
00:26:59,596 --> 00:27:02,196
Speaker 5: career that like that's impossible, like y'all could never do that,

533
00:27:02,356 --> 00:27:05,036
Speaker 5: but like, yeah, it is amazing seeing that, and it

534
00:27:05,196 --> 00:27:08,436
Speaker 5: is crazy saying you know, sometimes shit is like wait,

535
00:27:09,156 --> 00:27:11,556
Speaker 5: it looks like some shit I would it did, like yeah,

536
00:27:11,836 --> 00:27:14,756
Speaker 5: but I think that's Rick Rubin talks about that in

537
00:27:14,836 --> 00:27:19,516
Speaker 5: his book, like everybody gets these ideas who's acting on them,

538
00:27:19,596 --> 00:27:21,636
Speaker 5: though they'll go to somebody else and.

539
00:27:21,676 --> 00:27:25,956
Speaker 3: There's you know, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that.

540
00:27:26,076 --> 00:27:29,436
Speaker 3: It's like an idea of clouds. But I yeah, and

541
00:27:29,516 --> 00:27:30,716
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you're pretty.

542
00:27:30,636 --> 00:27:33,236
Speaker 4: You know, I'm yeah, no, I know, but so okay,

543
00:27:33,356 --> 00:27:35,876
Speaker 4: So with the idea. So I know that he talks

544
00:27:35,956 --> 00:27:39,276
Speaker 4: about ideas sort of being in the ether. Yes, and

545
00:27:39,436 --> 00:27:42,436
Speaker 4: like an idea can strike more than one person, or

546
00:27:42,556 --> 00:27:44,356
Speaker 4: it can strike a bunch of people at the same

547
00:27:44,476 --> 00:27:44,956
Speaker 4: time in.

548
00:27:44,996 --> 00:27:46,476
Speaker 2: Different part of the world, does it?

549
00:27:46,716 --> 00:27:46,916
Speaker 3: Yeah?

550
00:27:47,436 --> 00:27:47,636
Speaker 2: Yes?

551
00:27:47,916 --> 00:27:51,276
Speaker 4: So do you where do you feel like your ideas

552
00:27:51,356 --> 00:27:53,436
Speaker 4: come from? Do you feel like they come from like

553
00:27:53,516 --> 00:27:57,236
Speaker 4: a higher power? Do they come just from you? Do

554
00:27:57,356 --> 00:28:00,076
Speaker 4: they come from your experiences? Like where do these ideas

555
00:28:00,116 --> 00:28:00,956
Speaker 4: in your mind come from?

556
00:28:01,436 --> 00:28:05,076
Speaker 5: I think they come from film movies, like movies that

557
00:28:05,116 --> 00:28:08,076
Speaker 5: I've watched in ways that I would like to be

558
00:28:08,236 --> 00:28:11,156
Speaker 5: portrayed if I in a movie. Oh, like I kind

559
00:28:11,156 --> 00:28:13,396
Speaker 5: of look at like little videos like that. I've always

560
00:28:13,436 --> 00:28:17,116
Speaker 5: loved scary movies, and I feel like I like things

561
00:28:17,156 --> 00:28:20,156
Speaker 5: that are weird and quirky and you just don't really

562
00:28:20,196 --> 00:28:22,716
Speaker 5: know where this is going. And like, yeah, you know,

563
00:28:22,796 --> 00:28:26,836
Speaker 5: the Napoleon Dynamite, the Conah random, you know, fear and

564
00:28:26,876 --> 00:28:31,716
Speaker 5: loading in Las Vegas, Like yeah, Mallorie, like natural born killers,

565
00:28:31,796 --> 00:28:33,796
Speaker 5: like you just never know what's going to happen. That's

566
00:28:33,796 --> 00:28:35,076
Speaker 5: the type of shit that I like. And I feel

567
00:28:35,116 --> 00:28:37,956
Speaker 5: like that that's like, you know, represented in my work.

568
00:28:37,996 --> 00:28:39,516
Speaker 5: I don't think my ideas come from.

569
00:28:39,476 --> 00:28:42,276
Speaker 2: Like like Jesus.

570
00:28:42,836 --> 00:28:44,516
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think my ideas are coming from like

571
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:46,996
Speaker 5: a higher power because I think like some of the

572
00:28:47,036 --> 00:28:50,036
Speaker 5: stuff that I'm representing is a little bit too worldly

573
00:28:50,596 --> 00:28:52,356
Speaker 5: for God to have given me that message.

574
00:28:52,396 --> 00:28:58,236
Speaker 2: But when did you start getting into weird ship? Like

575
00:28:58,316 --> 00:29:00,596
Speaker 2: when did you know, like, oh, I might be it

576
00:29:00,716 --> 00:29:03,556
Speaker 2: is stuff that maybe my friends aren't into.

577
00:29:05,556 --> 00:29:08,876
Speaker 3: I was probably like when Tyler the Creator came out.

578
00:29:09,596 --> 00:29:11,156
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, how old were you.

579
00:29:12,676 --> 00:29:13,076
Speaker 3: Thirteen?

580
00:29:13,756 --> 00:29:14,116
Speaker 2: Uh huh?

581
00:29:14,636 --> 00:29:18,876
Speaker 5: I hate that roach And everybody was like, hell, oh

582
00:29:18,956 --> 00:29:21,556
Speaker 5: my god, what are you want to listen it is?

583
00:29:22,116 --> 00:29:24,196
Speaker 3: And I had like the shirt, the socks, the back back,

584
00:29:24,316 --> 00:29:25,116
Speaker 3: like I was a fan.

585
00:29:25,916 --> 00:29:30,476
Speaker 5: I was a fan, And yeah, that's when I knew

586
00:29:30,516 --> 00:29:32,636
Speaker 5: that I was a little bit off and like I

587
00:29:32,676 --> 00:29:34,476
Speaker 5: would just do I would do a lot of weird

588
00:29:34,516 --> 00:29:37,636
Speaker 5: stuff when I was a kid, So like what like

589
00:29:37,716 --> 00:29:39,276
Speaker 5: if it was a boy that I really liked, like

590
00:29:39,436 --> 00:29:42,836
Speaker 5: I would like bite him, Like I was just like

591
00:29:42,956 --> 00:29:45,476
Speaker 5: that type of kid like Maria. I got in trouble

592
00:29:45,516 --> 00:29:48,796
Speaker 5: today for biting someone, and it's like the boy that

593
00:29:48,876 --> 00:29:50,276
Speaker 5: I had a crush on. My mom was like, why

594
00:29:50,316 --> 00:29:54,596
Speaker 5: the fuck would you bite him? Like I've always just

595
00:29:54,716 --> 00:29:55,196
Speaker 5: been weird?

596
00:29:55,396 --> 00:29:57,236
Speaker 2: Like is your mom in the weird shit? Like is

597
00:29:57,276 --> 00:29:58,916
Speaker 2: there anyone in your family who is?

598
00:29:59,076 --> 00:30:00,356
Speaker 3: Both of my parents are wead as fuck.

599
00:30:01,796 --> 00:30:03,596
Speaker 5: Both of my parents are weird ass fuck Like I

600
00:30:03,636 --> 00:30:06,196
Speaker 5: don't even there's nothing normal about either one of them.

601
00:30:06,436 --> 00:30:09,316
Speaker 3: My dad is weird. He's a left brain person. He's

602
00:30:09,396 --> 00:30:13,956
Speaker 3: like fully creative, very very like, loves to just always

603
00:30:14,036 --> 00:30:16,276
Speaker 3: be doing something. He can't sit down for his to

604
00:30:16,356 --> 00:30:20,796
Speaker 3: save his life. My mother is like that, lady.

605
00:30:22,116 --> 00:30:25,716
Speaker 5: She has a wild imagination. My mom has a wild imagination,

606
00:30:25,876 --> 00:30:28,956
Speaker 5: and she will think of a scenario quick quick. She'll

607
00:30:28,956 --> 00:30:31,156
Speaker 5: be like, you know, you know what happened to Somer?

608
00:30:31,196 --> 00:30:34,036
Speaker 2: So I'm like, girl, is she usually right? Or is

609
00:30:34,076 --> 00:30:35,036
Speaker 2: it like left field?

610
00:30:35,956 --> 00:30:35,996
Speaker 1: No?

611
00:30:36,116 --> 00:30:39,476
Speaker 3: My mom's My mom is kind of like me where

612
00:30:39,516 --> 00:30:39,876
Speaker 3: she's like.

613
00:30:41,796 --> 00:30:45,796
Speaker 5: She be It's like the way she says stuff is wrong,

614
00:30:46,676 --> 00:30:54,436
Speaker 5: but what she's saying is right as fuck. Like yeah,

615
00:30:54,716 --> 00:30:57,756
Speaker 5: like she might say something really like why would you

616
00:30:57,796 --> 00:31:02,236
Speaker 5: say that? But actually, when you break it down, I'm like, man,

617
00:31:02,276 --> 00:31:04,076
Speaker 5: I wish I wish I had the boss to say that.

618
00:31:04,396 --> 00:31:07,116
Speaker 5: I think that comes with age though, like she just doesn't,

619
00:31:08,076 --> 00:31:09,516
Speaker 5: you know, it's so funny. I feel like a lot

620
00:31:09,556 --> 00:31:11,556
Speaker 5: of people will relate to this, But like, does anybody

621
00:31:11,596 --> 00:31:13,156
Speaker 5: have a parent who just don't give a fuck about

622
00:31:13,196 --> 00:31:16,276
Speaker 5: getting canceled? Like they just they be saying, like a

623
00:31:16,316 --> 00:31:19,076
Speaker 5: different generation, it's a different like yeah, you guys that

624
00:31:19,156 --> 00:31:21,636
Speaker 5: are like like guys, people that are like fifty right now,

625
00:31:22,076 --> 00:31:24,756
Speaker 5: they're the booth Like they don't give a fuck.

626
00:31:25,556 --> 00:31:26,756
Speaker 3: They don't give a fuck.

627
00:31:27,156 --> 00:31:27,956
Speaker 2: It's so true.

628
00:31:28,476 --> 00:31:31,516
Speaker 5: It's kind of insane because I feel like we like

629
00:31:31,636 --> 00:31:36,236
Speaker 5: are you know, we care? Yes, things, and y'all just

630
00:31:36,276 --> 00:31:37,876
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, damn, sissy.

631
00:31:38,836 --> 00:31:42,276
Speaker 2: We want boundaries. We want everyone to feel we want

632
00:31:42,356 --> 00:31:43,596
Speaker 2: to yeah.

633
00:31:45,156 --> 00:31:48,436
Speaker 5: Yeah. But I've learned that me and my mom are

634
00:31:48,876 --> 00:31:49,876
Speaker 5: actually very similar.

635
00:31:50,876 --> 00:31:53,676
Speaker 3: We're very very similar, just generations.

636
00:31:53,116 --> 00:31:55,916
Speaker 2: Of part Yes, how was it for you?

637
00:31:56,076 --> 00:32:00,156
Speaker 4: I imagine that since your experience as a young adult

638
00:32:00,276 --> 00:32:03,796
Speaker 4: and as an adult with work was so different than

639
00:32:03,876 --> 00:32:07,996
Speaker 4: your parents, Like, how are you able to figure out

640
00:32:08,716 --> 00:32:11,956
Speaker 4: what to do, like, did you have like a like

641
00:32:12,436 --> 00:32:15,396
Speaker 4: role model since your life was so different.

642
00:32:15,916 --> 00:32:19,076
Speaker 5: My dad helped me in the beginning stages to get

643
00:32:19,116 --> 00:32:21,876
Speaker 5: a lawyer, okay, and help me with nothing else.

644
00:32:21,916 --> 00:32:24,396
Speaker 3: He'd be like, all I know is that you need

645
00:32:25,436 --> 00:32:27,316
Speaker 3: and I remember that that was that was.

646
00:32:27,556 --> 00:32:31,436
Speaker 5: I mean, the fact of the matter is I don't

647
00:32:31,556 --> 00:32:36,676
Speaker 5: have anybody that really truly understands. My parents don't fully

648
00:32:36,876 --> 00:32:43,956
Speaker 5: understand the capacity of like they understand what I've done

649
00:32:43,996 --> 00:32:46,876
Speaker 5: with my life, and they love and respect my career, but.

650
00:32:49,836 --> 00:32:51,756
Speaker 3: They asked me all the time, like how the fuck

651
00:32:52,796 --> 00:32:54,076
Speaker 3: the juppool is all?

652
00:32:54,756 --> 00:32:56,836
Speaker 4: Are they still like you need to get another job

653
00:32:57,276 --> 00:33:00,196
Speaker 4: or do they feel confident that you can like support yourself?

654
00:33:00,396 --> 00:33:00,516
Speaker 2: Oh?

655
00:33:00,556 --> 00:33:01,956
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, my mom is always telling me to get

656
00:33:01,956 --> 00:33:02,436
Speaker 3: another job.

657
00:33:02,756 --> 00:33:06,476
Speaker 5: She oh, and and and you need that though, because yeah,

658
00:33:06,836 --> 00:33:08,716
Speaker 5: out to my mom, because my mom was like, yeah,

659
00:33:08,756 --> 00:33:12,036
Speaker 5: this shit is doing great, You're doing amazing. What else

660
00:33:12,076 --> 00:33:13,876
Speaker 5: do you want to do with yourself? Because the doors

661
00:33:13,916 --> 00:33:16,156
Speaker 5: are all opened around you. You can't just walk down

662
00:33:16,196 --> 00:33:20,676
Speaker 5: this one path forever. And then acting came in Yes show,

663
00:33:21,156 --> 00:33:23,636
Speaker 5: and even being on set for that has shown me

664
00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:25,556
Speaker 5: what a real job is like, because.

665
00:33:25,316 --> 00:33:27,276
Speaker 2: Wait, tell me about that. So you're gonna be in

666
00:33:28,036 --> 00:33:28,676
Speaker 2: what's it's called?

667
00:33:29,076 --> 00:33:31,236
Speaker 3: What's it called Margo's Got Money Troubles?

668
00:33:31,796 --> 00:33:32,276
Speaker 2: I love that.

669
00:33:32,876 --> 00:33:35,796
Speaker 5: Yes, and it's a book. So any wants to know

670
00:33:35,916 --> 00:33:37,396
Speaker 5: like what show is about because I can't.

671
00:33:39,156 --> 00:33:40,036
Speaker 3: I can't say too much.

672
00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:45,396
Speaker 5: But oh, it's like about wrestling OnlyFans. Oh it's a

673
00:33:45,476 --> 00:33:48,476
Speaker 5: lot though, and it's good. It's like somewhat of a.

674
00:33:48,516 --> 00:33:51,236
Speaker 3: Heavy topic, makes wait a little freaky stuff here and there.

675
00:33:51,236 --> 00:33:51,596
Speaker 3: Who knows.

676
00:33:52,996 --> 00:33:54,356
Speaker 2: Has it been a good experience.

677
00:33:55,236 --> 00:33:56,276
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been amazing.

678
00:33:56,476 --> 00:33:59,236
Speaker 5: And everybody on set is just so sweet, full of

679
00:33:59,436 --> 00:34:02,556
Speaker 5: energy and makes you feel so comfortable, and it's like

680
00:34:02,676 --> 00:34:04,396
Speaker 5: before you know it, the shit just flies by.

681
00:34:04,516 --> 00:34:06,556
Speaker 3: But it is very different from being a rapper.

682
00:34:06,916 --> 00:34:09,636
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, are you good actor?

683
00:34:10,676 --> 00:34:14,756
Speaker 3: I would say, so shit, I mean to pull like

684
00:34:15,276 --> 00:34:16,716
Speaker 3: Apple TV A twenty four.

685
00:34:17,196 --> 00:34:18,196
Speaker 2: Yes, No, I know.

686
00:34:19,276 --> 00:34:20,916
Speaker 3: I think I'm pretty fucking good.

687
00:34:21,556 --> 00:34:23,076
Speaker 2: Anything A twenty four is good.

688
00:34:23,836 --> 00:34:24,076
Speaker 3: Yeah.

689
00:34:24,396 --> 00:34:26,516
Speaker 5: And I we had to do like a lot of

690
00:34:26,716 --> 00:34:29,596
Speaker 5: auditions and stuff like oh you did for anybody watching.

691
00:34:29,636 --> 00:34:31,716
Speaker 5: It's not like I just oh, I'm regoing nasty, give

692
00:34:31,756 --> 00:34:34,556
Speaker 5: me the roll. I had to like actually audition and

693
00:34:34,756 --> 00:34:38,716
Speaker 5: like go to callbacks, like you know, really do it?

694
00:34:38,756 --> 00:34:40,436
Speaker 5: And they don't give me special treatment on set. I

695
00:34:40,516 --> 00:34:42,836
Speaker 5: have to be there at six am, just like everybody

696
00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:43,316
Speaker 5: out all.

697
00:34:43,796 --> 00:34:44,716
Speaker 2: What are the days like?

698
00:34:45,596 --> 00:34:48,036
Speaker 3: Long but fun and every I don't know.

699
00:34:48,156 --> 00:34:50,716
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, they got the fake light in,

700
00:34:51,156 --> 00:34:53,036
Speaker 5: you know, in those Hollywood studios they have like the

701
00:34:53,076 --> 00:34:54,076
Speaker 5: fake lighting and shit like that.

702
00:34:54,196 --> 00:34:56,276
Speaker 3: So it doesn't ever feel like it's getting dark. So

703
00:34:56,316 --> 00:34:58,916
Speaker 3: you never, like a casino, yeah, you never know what

704
00:34:59,076 --> 00:35:00,316
Speaker 3: time it is until.

705
00:35:00,116 --> 00:35:03,116
Speaker 5: You walk outside, which again I love, and I love

706
00:35:03,196 --> 00:35:06,996
Speaker 5: getting this experience of a new job and learning new

707
00:35:07,076 --> 00:35:09,956
Speaker 5: things and being around new people and learning how things

708
00:35:09,996 --> 00:35:12,356
Speaker 5: are made because in the grand scheme of things, I

709
00:35:12,396 --> 00:35:14,396
Speaker 5: think that's why I got into making music, because I

710
00:35:14,476 --> 00:35:16,516
Speaker 5: love the way things are made and I love making

711
00:35:16,596 --> 00:35:17,196
Speaker 5: cool things.

712
00:35:18,636 --> 00:35:21,036
Speaker 1: One last break and be back with Rego Nasty.

713
00:35:25,356 --> 00:35:27,836
Speaker 2: So how do you know that the venues are getting bigger?

714
00:35:27,916 --> 00:35:27,956
Speaker 1: Like?

715
00:35:28,076 --> 00:35:31,076
Speaker 2: How big? When you go out on tour for Lethal,

716
00:35:31,236 --> 00:35:33,036
Speaker 2: how big will the venues be?

717
00:35:34,476 --> 00:35:37,116
Speaker 3: Ah bigger bigger than the last time?

718
00:35:37,956 --> 00:35:41,516
Speaker 5: And it's not to say that I'm doing fucking arenas

719
00:35:41,636 --> 00:35:43,556
Speaker 5: or anything, but it is.

720
00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:45,876
Speaker 3: It's a different space.

721
00:35:46,596 --> 00:35:48,756
Speaker 2: It must be so cool just to see the crowds

722
00:35:49,276 --> 00:35:52,796
Speaker 2: grow and change, like from your first like your first

723
00:35:52,876 --> 00:35:55,596
Speaker 2: or your second round of shows. How has the audience changed?

724
00:35:57,596 --> 00:35:59,996
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, well I was doing like Sweet sixteens

725
00:36:00,036 --> 00:36:01,996
Speaker 3: and stuff, so oh were you really?

726
00:36:02,356 --> 00:36:02,556
Speaker 5: Yeah?

727
00:36:02,556 --> 00:36:04,876
Speaker 3: I did like a lot of Sweet sixteens and I

728
00:36:05,036 --> 00:36:09,796
Speaker 3: did high school. Like what was I doing?

729
00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:13,356
Speaker 5: Like pep rallies and shit? Like I'm like, I don't

730
00:36:13,356 --> 00:36:14,236
Speaker 5: even have a microphone.

731
00:36:14,596 --> 00:36:17,756
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, how did you know what to do

732
00:36:17,876 --> 00:36:18,476
Speaker 2: on stage?

733
00:36:20,156 --> 00:36:21,716
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of like the.

734
00:36:21,756 --> 00:36:24,596
Speaker 5: Same thing that happens on set for a music video

735
00:36:24,876 --> 00:36:27,396
Speaker 5: where kind of just is like a like a blur,

736
00:36:28,676 --> 00:36:31,596
Speaker 5: like I really don't know what I'm doing when I'm

737
00:36:31,676 --> 00:36:36,596
Speaker 5: doing it, I just know, like I just know that

738
00:36:36,636 --> 00:36:39,316
Speaker 5: when it's done, I'll know when it's good. But like

739
00:36:39,476 --> 00:36:41,956
Speaker 5: when I'm doing it, I kind of feel like you

740
00:36:42,116 --> 00:36:44,076
Speaker 5: just have to get into character a little bit, and

741
00:36:44,276 --> 00:36:46,756
Speaker 5: that sometimes requires like zoning out.

742
00:36:46,916 --> 00:36:48,556
Speaker 3: So I feel like, yeah, in a sense, I like.

743
00:36:50,316 --> 00:36:53,276
Speaker 5: When I'm on stage, are about to go on stage,

744
00:36:53,476 --> 00:36:55,556
Speaker 5: it's like I get super quiet.

745
00:36:55,516 --> 00:36:58,796
Speaker 3: And then it's kind of like, Okay, it's good time.

746
00:36:59,236 --> 00:37:00,996
Speaker 5: And I think when I'm getting quiet, I'm kind of

747
00:37:01,116 --> 00:37:04,676
Speaker 5: just like praying for courage because I think that's all

748
00:37:04,716 --> 00:37:10,036
Speaker 5: that is just courage to like ignore perception for an hour,

749
00:37:11,076 --> 00:37:13,836
Speaker 5: because that's that's like scary, like getting up there and

750
00:37:13,876 --> 00:37:16,076
Speaker 5: people are perceiving you and they can think whatever they

751
00:37:16,116 --> 00:37:17,836
Speaker 5: want to think. That can be scary that I think

752
00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:20,756
Speaker 5: that's what causes people that have stage fright. But I

753
00:37:20,836 --> 00:37:23,356
Speaker 5: think like once I pray to like remove that and

754
00:37:23,476 --> 00:37:26,236
Speaker 5: kind of like blind me from perception for just an hour.

755
00:37:26,476 --> 00:37:28,476
Speaker 3: I don't need it all day. I'm sure people are

756
00:37:28,556 --> 00:37:30,556
Speaker 3: going to give their comments, but just for an hour.

757
00:37:31,436 --> 00:37:35,236
Speaker 3: You just get up there and it's just like a playground,

758
00:37:35,316 --> 00:37:36,436
Speaker 3: like the world is your oyster.

759
00:37:36,796 --> 00:37:39,556
Speaker 5: Like you're fading off of them, they're fading off of you,

760
00:37:40,276 --> 00:37:43,276
Speaker 5: and before you know it, it's three songs left and

761
00:37:44,156 --> 00:37:45,476
Speaker 5: fly back home.

762
00:37:46,116 --> 00:37:50,076
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is it perception? So sort of like judgment,

763
00:37:50,236 --> 00:37:52,396
Speaker 2: Like you don't want to feel judgment from the crowd.

764
00:37:55,796 --> 00:37:57,076
Speaker 2: Is that what you mean by perception?

765
00:37:57,596 --> 00:38:00,916
Speaker 5: Yeah, like judgment or just like I wouldn't say judgment

766
00:38:00,956 --> 00:38:02,396
Speaker 5: because they're damn sure not there.

767
00:38:02,556 --> 00:38:04,916
Speaker 3: They're not judging me. It's like this feeling of like

768
00:38:06,356 --> 00:38:07,476
Speaker 3: who they think I am.

769
00:38:08,516 --> 00:38:12,436
Speaker 5: You know, the screaming, the chanting, the like the hype

770
00:38:13,036 --> 00:38:15,996
Speaker 5: that I can hear backstage before I go on stage.

771
00:38:16,556 --> 00:38:18,876
Speaker 5: I feel like and that that's like perception in a

772
00:38:18,916 --> 00:38:20,156
Speaker 5: way because they think.

773
00:38:20,116 --> 00:38:20,676
Speaker 3: That I'm.

774
00:38:22,276 --> 00:38:26,076
Speaker 5: Whatever the hell they think, and I'm literally just a girl. Okay,

775
00:38:26,916 --> 00:38:28,836
Speaker 5: I'm literally just gonna tell me her before I come

776
00:38:28,876 --> 00:38:29,356
Speaker 5: on stage.

777
00:38:30,876 --> 00:38:31,396
Speaker 2: Yeah girl.

778
00:38:32,036 --> 00:38:34,676
Speaker 5: So I think that perception of like, oh, they think

779
00:38:34,796 --> 00:38:37,756
Speaker 5: you're they think you're amazing. You better show them why

780
00:38:37,796 --> 00:38:40,956
Speaker 5: you're faing, you know. So it's it's just that like

781
00:38:41,036 --> 00:38:43,036
Speaker 5: wanting to live live up to that and getting up

782
00:38:43,036 --> 00:38:46,316
Speaker 5: there and and not necessarily caring if you live up

783
00:38:46,356 --> 00:38:48,076
Speaker 5: to that. And it's just been like, well, this is

784
00:38:48,156 --> 00:38:50,156
Speaker 5: me and you're watching me, and I hope you have

785
00:38:50,236 --> 00:38:50,796
Speaker 5: a good time.

786
00:38:51,796 --> 00:38:52,156
Speaker 3: That's it.

787
00:38:52,436 --> 00:38:56,756
Speaker 5: Like I don't really try to fit into like, oh, well,

788
00:38:56,796 --> 00:38:58,916
Speaker 5: they think that I'm going to be like this, so

789
00:38:59,036 --> 00:39:00,396
Speaker 5: let me come out there and be like this, Like

790
00:39:00,516 --> 00:39:03,316
Speaker 5: it's not. I just am like they probably think I'm

791
00:39:03,356 --> 00:39:05,396
Speaker 5: going to be like this, but this is who I am.

792
00:39:06,636 --> 00:39:08,836
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be who I am. I'm gonna make jokes,

793
00:39:09,156 --> 00:39:11,796
Speaker 5: I'm going to take breaks in between the song. I'm

794
00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:13,476
Speaker 5: going to drink my water.

795
00:39:14,076 --> 00:39:14,636
Speaker 3: I'm going to.

796
00:39:16,036 --> 00:39:17,876
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting.

797
00:39:18,076 --> 00:39:20,636
Speaker 4: So when you go to start a new project, do

798
00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:23,636
Speaker 4: you how do you deal with that perception and do

799
00:39:23,716 --> 00:39:27,156
Speaker 4: you feel like that has influenced the way that you

800
00:39:28,036 --> 00:39:29,156
Speaker 4: shape a new project.

801
00:39:30,396 --> 00:39:34,476
Speaker 5: I feel like worrying about perception and what people know

802
00:39:34,636 --> 00:39:38,796
Speaker 5: me as can it can pigeonhole you. They've been saying that,

803
00:39:39,596 --> 00:39:42,276
Speaker 5: I like that word, and I kind of my felt

804
00:39:42,436 --> 00:39:46,036
Speaker 5: like making work and comparing it to my last then

805
00:39:46,596 --> 00:39:49,316
Speaker 5: well should I keep doing this because this is what

806
00:39:49,476 --> 00:39:52,596
Speaker 5: they this is what they know and love and kind

807
00:39:52,636 --> 00:39:56,596
Speaker 5: of like finding finding yourself and finding your voice through

808
00:39:56,676 --> 00:39:58,156
Speaker 5: all that. So yeah, yeah, I think it's like a

809
00:39:58,196 --> 00:40:00,756
Speaker 5: double edged sword, Like, yes, I want to care. I

810
00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:03,116
Speaker 5: want to appeal to the fans that already have, the

811
00:40:03,196 --> 00:40:04,076
Speaker 5: fans that I've built.

812
00:40:04,236 --> 00:40:05,036
Speaker 3: I love y'all.

813
00:40:05,156 --> 00:40:06,836
Speaker 5: I want to make an album for you guys, But

814
00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:09,636
Speaker 5: what about all the stuff that I've learned learned and

815
00:40:09,756 --> 00:40:11,436
Speaker 5: what about the stuff that I like now?

816
00:40:12,076 --> 00:40:15,156
Speaker 3: Like why can't I share that? And that's where your

817
00:40:15,236 --> 00:40:16,636
Speaker 3: voice comes in, because it's like you can.

818
00:40:16,836 --> 00:40:20,156
Speaker 5: There is nothing wrong with waking up and wanting to

819
00:40:20,196 --> 00:40:23,156
Speaker 5: try something different, And me, of all people, I feel

820
00:40:23,196 --> 00:40:24,876
Speaker 5: like I'm very blessed to have the fans that I

821
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:30,236
Speaker 5: have because they've never like they've never nonchalanted my different shit,

822
00:40:30,396 --> 00:40:32,516
Speaker 5: Like when I was doing hyper Pop, they liked it.

823
00:40:33,116 --> 00:40:35,716
Speaker 3: When I was doing Sugar Trap, they liked it. And

824
00:40:35,836 --> 00:40:37,276
Speaker 3: I feel like they've grown with me.

825
00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:40,076
Speaker 5: So yeah, I kind of was in that headspace for

826
00:40:40,156 --> 00:40:41,756
Speaker 5: a little bit of like, oh well, I don't know

827
00:40:42,396 --> 00:40:44,276
Speaker 5: if I can be different like this because that's what

828
00:40:44,356 --> 00:40:46,076
Speaker 5: they know me for. But then I had to look

829
00:40:46,116 --> 00:40:49,036
Speaker 5: at how they supported me before, and I'm like, this

830
00:40:49,236 --> 00:40:49,676
Speaker 5: is nothing.

831
00:40:49,876 --> 00:40:50,676
Speaker 3: They'll love it.

832
00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:51,476
Speaker 2: This is great.

833
00:40:52,076 --> 00:40:55,276
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good to have that, to have that confidence

834
00:40:55,396 --> 00:40:58,116
Speaker 4: to move forward how you want to move This is

835
00:40:58,156 --> 00:41:00,276
Speaker 4: something I was curious about after watching a couple of

836
00:41:00,356 --> 00:41:03,636
Speaker 4: documentaries about you. Most of them were like early on

837
00:41:03,716 --> 00:41:06,196
Speaker 4: in your career, some like the Fader doc with you

838
00:41:06,316 --> 00:41:09,676
Speaker 4: on the Road. It's such a different lifestyle most people

839
00:41:09,756 --> 00:41:13,356
Speaker 4: are used to living. Was there anything in your early

840
00:41:13,476 --> 00:41:17,076
Speaker 4: life or anything that prepared you for that lifestyle change?

841
00:41:18,156 --> 00:41:25,196
Speaker 5: Yeah, my parents divorce, Maybe like having to stay at

842
00:41:25,276 --> 00:41:30,436
Speaker 5: somebody's house every weekend. Maybe like having like, you know,

843
00:41:31,036 --> 00:41:32,676
Speaker 5: my suitcase, my designated days.

844
00:41:32,836 --> 00:41:37,396
Speaker 3: Maybe that help. I don't know. Boarding school I went.

845
00:41:37,316 --> 00:41:39,236
Speaker 2: To Yeah, when did you go to board What age

846
00:41:39,276 --> 00:41:40,356
Speaker 2: were you when you went to boarding school.

847
00:41:40,596 --> 00:41:42,116
Speaker 5: I went to boarding school from the sixth grade to

848
00:41:42,156 --> 00:41:44,436
Speaker 5: the ninth grade. So I don't know how old I was,

849
00:41:44,476 --> 00:41:46,116
Speaker 5: in the sixth grade, probably twelve.

850
00:41:46,836 --> 00:41:48,836
Speaker 2: How did that come about? Like white boarding school?

851
00:41:51,036 --> 00:41:54,556
Speaker 5: My mom had seen my grades like significantly drop, but

852
00:41:54,676 --> 00:41:56,956
Speaker 5: I was very smart, and everybody knew that I was smart.

853
00:41:56,996 --> 00:42:01,596
Speaker 3: They just knew I wasn't trying because I just wasn't trying.

854
00:42:02,916 --> 00:42:06,276
Speaker 5: And then my mom had got like a paper in

855
00:42:06,316 --> 00:42:08,756
Speaker 5: the mail for like a school named the Seed School,

856
00:42:08,836 --> 00:42:12,156
Speaker 5: and a and like all this stuff. My mom filled

857
00:42:12,156 --> 00:42:14,516
Speaker 5: it out. We went to orientation, we went to the lottery.

858
00:42:14,556 --> 00:42:16,996
Speaker 5: They picked my number. It was forty girls, forty boys.

859
00:42:17,036 --> 00:42:19,556
Speaker 5: It's like one of those new school startups. So it's

860
00:42:19,636 --> 00:42:22,316
Speaker 5: not like an established like I don't want people to

861
00:42:22,356 --> 00:42:24,396
Speaker 5: get it confused. Like my mom paid for me to

862
00:42:24,436 --> 00:42:26,876
Speaker 5: go to boarding school. This was a free college prep

863
00:42:27,236 --> 00:42:27,836
Speaker 5: boarding school.

864
00:42:27,916 --> 00:42:31,236
Speaker 2: It was wow, like uniforms and everything everything.

865
00:42:31,356 --> 00:42:33,356
Speaker 3: My mom didn't pay a dime. We did not have

866
00:42:33,516 --> 00:42:34,756
Speaker 3: money to do shit like that.

867
00:42:34,956 --> 00:42:38,076
Speaker 5: So I remember it being just like everybody in my

868
00:42:38,156 --> 00:42:40,596
Speaker 5: family was like, bro, this is a crazy opportunity.

869
00:42:40,636 --> 00:42:41,516
Speaker 3: I can't believe it got in.

870
00:42:41,636 --> 00:42:45,116
Speaker 5: So this was like the first part of my life

871
00:42:45,196 --> 00:42:48,076
Speaker 5: where I said yes to something when I didn't really

872
00:42:48,196 --> 00:42:51,196
Speaker 5: want to. But I saw how it made everybody else react,

873
00:42:51,316 --> 00:42:55,676
Speaker 5: so I was like I gotta do it. During this

874
00:42:55,836 --> 00:42:58,356
Speaker 5: time too, I was very artistic, like I.

875
00:42:58,476 --> 00:43:01,956
Speaker 3: Love drawing, I love painting, I love doodling and shit

876
00:43:02,036 --> 00:43:02,196
Speaker 3: like that.

877
00:43:02,676 --> 00:43:05,156
Speaker 5: But I also was like playing soccer real good. So

878
00:43:05,396 --> 00:43:07,516
Speaker 5: like my mom was like, are you gonna start to

879
00:43:07,556 --> 00:43:08,676
Speaker 5: school and You're gonna play soccer?

880
00:43:09,236 --> 00:43:09,636
Speaker 3: In soccer?

881
00:43:10,756 --> 00:43:15,156
Speaker 5: And I'm hating it, Like the hours, Like I was

882
00:43:15,236 --> 00:43:19,476
Speaker 5: at school all day, get out, have lunch or snack

883
00:43:19,636 --> 00:43:22,716
Speaker 5: or whatever, study hall, and then you go to like

884
00:43:23,396 --> 00:43:26,396
Speaker 5: soccer practice, and then you go back to the dorms,

885
00:43:26,516 --> 00:43:30,236
Speaker 5: you have dinner. It's like very it's like so grown up,

886
00:43:31,076 --> 00:43:32,596
Speaker 5: very grown up. And I was doing that from six

887
00:43:32,636 --> 00:43:34,556
Speaker 5: to ninth grade. So if anybody wants to know how

888
00:43:34,636 --> 00:43:37,516
Speaker 5: my time management is great and how I have like

889
00:43:37,956 --> 00:43:41,196
Speaker 5: the ability to just like just get shit done, I

890
00:43:41,236 --> 00:43:42,636
Speaker 5: think it was that. I think it was that like

891
00:43:42,756 --> 00:43:46,076
Speaker 5: traveling on that campus at that young and then I

892
00:43:46,156 --> 00:43:49,116
Speaker 5: got expelled from that school because I.

893
00:43:49,156 --> 00:43:49,956
Speaker 3: Didn't want to be there.

894
00:43:50,516 --> 00:43:53,876
Speaker 2: Yeah, so on purpose, did you like make it happen,

895
00:43:54,156 --> 00:43:55,196
Speaker 2: like formulate a plan?

896
00:43:55,876 --> 00:43:58,956
Speaker 3: Ah, this is so crazy to say.

897
00:43:58,996 --> 00:44:00,956
Speaker 5: I didn't like formulate a plan, but I did do

898
00:44:01,116 --> 00:44:04,116
Speaker 5: something I actually went as far as going to the

899
00:44:04,156 --> 00:44:07,036
Speaker 5: principal and telling him, I'm like or her. I don't

900
00:44:07,036 --> 00:44:08,836
Speaker 5: remember who it was at the time, because it was

901
00:44:08,876 --> 00:44:10,836
Speaker 5: like a vice principal of real principal, like a whole

902
00:44:10,836 --> 00:44:13,516
Speaker 5: little board. And I remember telling them that I wanted

903
00:44:13,516 --> 00:44:17,236
Speaker 5: to go study a public school so that I could

904
00:44:17,276 --> 00:44:20,756
Speaker 5: see the real difference between the two. Oh, and they said, yeah,

905
00:44:21,196 --> 00:44:24,356
Speaker 5: so they sent me to my zone school, Flowers this

906
00:44:24,436 --> 00:44:27,196
Speaker 5: is my nextor they sent me to my zone school.

907
00:44:27,836 --> 00:44:29,556
Speaker 3: And I get there and.

908
00:44:31,236 --> 00:44:36,716
Speaker 5: Man, like they had drama, they had soccer, they had lacrosse,

909
00:44:36,836 --> 00:44:39,156
Speaker 5: they had volleyball, they had upper classmen.

910
00:44:39,276 --> 00:44:41,116
Speaker 3: They had a cafeteria, they.

911
00:44:41,076 --> 00:44:43,556
Speaker 5: Had they got to go home, they had phones, they

912
00:44:43,636 --> 00:44:46,276
Speaker 5: got to wear cool shoes, they got to have they

913
00:44:47,556 --> 00:44:49,596
Speaker 5: I could not go back to that boarding school, like

914
00:44:49,756 --> 00:44:52,956
Speaker 5: it almost had felt like I had seen too much.

915
00:44:53,236 --> 00:44:56,956
Speaker 3: And I was like there's no way, no, Like I

916
00:44:57,036 --> 00:44:58,476
Speaker 3: can't go here. I don't want to go here no more.

917
00:44:58,636 --> 00:45:00,716
Speaker 3: So my mom was like, hell, no, You're going back

918
00:45:00,756 --> 00:45:01,156
Speaker 3: to school.

919
00:45:01,676 --> 00:45:06,996
Speaker 5: And while this is crazy, while obviously studying the school

920
00:45:07,276 --> 00:45:10,276
Speaker 5: and all of that thing, like comparing the two, I

921
00:45:10,716 --> 00:45:13,756
Speaker 5: found out like, oh this is these are things that

922
00:45:13,756 --> 00:45:17,796
Speaker 5: would get you expelled and what it happened was I

923
00:45:17,836 --> 00:45:20,956
Speaker 5: I was like obsessed with like was Khalifa and whatnot.

924
00:45:21,036 --> 00:45:23,476
Speaker 3: So we were at the bus. My friends said they

925
00:45:23,516 --> 00:45:25,036
Speaker 3: had weed. I smoked weed with them.

926
00:45:25,276 --> 00:45:28,316
Speaker 5: We get back to school. The bus aide told we

927
00:45:28,436 --> 00:45:31,316
Speaker 5: all had the right statements. I kept my mouth shut.

928
00:45:32,116 --> 00:45:36,876
Speaker 5: This one girl, she rad it on everybody. Everybody was quiet.

929
00:45:37,116 --> 00:45:40,596
Speaker 5: She's the only person that told on everybody. We all

930
00:45:40,716 --> 00:45:45,996
Speaker 5: got expelled and I had to go to public school.

931
00:45:46,116 --> 00:45:47,756
Speaker 5: But that wanted to be the best thing ever because

932
00:45:48,076 --> 00:45:50,236
Speaker 5: I remember I got expelled and then I started going

933
00:45:50,276 --> 00:45:53,316
Speaker 5: to school and they said you got to Instagram and

934
00:45:53,476 --> 00:45:56,036
Speaker 5: I was like no, and I made my Instagram and

935
00:45:56,116 --> 00:45:56,996
Speaker 5: it was riko nasty.

936
00:45:57,676 --> 00:45:57,956
Speaker 1: Wow.

937
00:45:58,996 --> 00:45:59,716
Speaker 3: How funny is that?

938
00:45:59,916 --> 00:46:00,556
Speaker 2: What year is that?

939
00:46:01,196 --> 00:46:05,116
Speaker 3: That is two thousand and eleven, twenty eleven, twenty twelve.

940
00:46:05,756 --> 00:46:06,036
Speaker 1: Wow.

941
00:46:06,156 --> 00:46:07,916
Speaker 2: And then the mixtape was like two years later.

942
00:46:08,156 --> 00:46:11,396
Speaker 3: Your first shape was yeah, two thousand and thirteen.

943
00:46:11,796 --> 00:46:13,236
Speaker 2: Do you think you would have been able to do

944
00:46:13,316 --> 00:46:14,676
Speaker 2: a mixtape at the prep school?

945
00:46:15,116 --> 00:46:19,236
Speaker 5: No, there wasn't any Like it was an up and

946
00:46:19,316 --> 00:46:22,596
Speaker 5: coming school, so there really wasn't any programs. Like when

947
00:46:22,636 --> 00:46:25,076
Speaker 5: I was there from sixth to eighth grade, I had

948
00:46:25,116 --> 00:46:28,356
Speaker 5: an art teacher. Her name was Miss Labonte, and I

949
00:46:28,596 --> 00:46:32,596
Speaker 5: was like making art and we were selling it at

950
00:46:32,596 --> 00:46:34,276
Speaker 5: the end of the year and like art shows and

951
00:46:34,396 --> 00:46:37,876
Speaker 5: like she was my dog and my ninth grade year,

952
00:46:37,876 --> 00:46:43,476
Speaker 5: Miss Labonte didn't come back, so like, I fucking I

953
00:46:43,596 --> 00:46:45,356
Speaker 5: just didn't have a teacher that like I felt like

954
00:46:46,036 --> 00:46:49,396
Speaker 5: like cared about me or like had like a safe

955
00:46:49,436 --> 00:46:51,676
Speaker 5: space like at lunch, I could just go in there

956
00:46:51,956 --> 00:46:54,716
Speaker 5: and I could just hang out with her, listen to

957
00:46:54,836 --> 00:46:56,916
Speaker 5: music and shit. Like I didn't have nobody like that,

958
00:46:56,956 --> 00:46:58,996
Speaker 5: and I didn't really have that many friends because I

959
00:46:59,116 --> 00:46:59,596
Speaker 5: was weird.

960
00:46:59,996 --> 00:47:02,236
Speaker 3: So once she left, it was kind.

961
00:47:02,116 --> 00:47:02,516
Speaker 2: Of just like.

962
00:47:04,516 --> 00:47:05,476
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this.

963
00:47:06,036 --> 00:47:07,036
Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense.

964
00:47:08,316 --> 00:47:12,676
Speaker 5: Yeah, the act just goes to show how important teachers

965
00:47:12,716 --> 00:47:19,156
Speaker 5: are because she was, I mean both art teachers at

966
00:47:19,716 --> 00:47:22,556
Speaker 5: that school and the school I ended up with Charles

967
00:47:22,676 --> 00:47:27,076
Speaker 5: Erbert Flowers, my art teacher, mister Hobbes. I don't think

968
00:47:27,076 --> 00:47:28,876
Speaker 5: I would have got through high school if it wasn't

969
00:47:28,916 --> 00:47:32,516
Speaker 5: for mister Hobbs. Like he was a safe space, like yeah,

970
00:47:32,876 --> 00:47:36,836
Speaker 5: go in there, draw and it like it didn't have

971
00:47:36,996 --> 00:47:39,316
Speaker 5: to be your period, it didn't have to be yes,

972
00:47:39,916 --> 00:47:41,756
Speaker 5: Like he knew when people needed to come in there

973
00:47:41,756 --> 00:47:42,196
Speaker 5: and just like.

974
00:47:43,876 --> 00:47:44,276
Speaker 3: Just chill.

975
00:47:44,636 --> 00:47:45,436
Speaker 2: Yeah we had that.

976
00:47:45,916 --> 00:47:47,956
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had that at my school with a photo teacher,

977
00:47:48,036 --> 00:47:51,076
Speaker 4: Miss Fanel, And there would always be kids like kids

978
00:47:51,156 --> 00:47:53,396
Speaker 4: that kind of like didn't fit in would go just

979
00:47:53,476 --> 00:47:54,676
Speaker 4: hang out in her classroom.

980
00:47:54,956 --> 00:47:56,636
Speaker 3: Yes, Like I just would be in there.

981
00:47:56,796 --> 00:47:59,716
Speaker 5: And if I didn't have a space like that, like

982
00:47:59,876 --> 00:48:01,836
Speaker 5: I feel like I would have gotten in so much

983
00:48:01,996 --> 00:48:05,036
Speaker 5: trouble and just been like skipping and I probably would

984
00:48:05,076 --> 00:48:06,396
Speaker 5: have graduated.

985
00:48:06,076 --> 00:48:10,116
Speaker 2: Like not have an outlet. Yeah, so did your mom?

986
00:48:10,236 --> 00:48:11,996
Speaker 2: So after you got kicked out of the school and

987
00:48:12,076 --> 00:48:12,916
Speaker 2: you started doing.

988
00:48:12,876 --> 00:48:15,756
Speaker 4: Music, did your mom think like, oh, like, was your

989
00:48:15,836 --> 00:48:19,396
Speaker 4: mom worried about how you were gonna turn out?

990
00:48:19,716 --> 00:48:20,756
Speaker 3: I hit it from my mom.

991
00:48:20,916 --> 00:48:22,636
Speaker 5: The only reason my mom knew that I made a

992
00:48:22,676 --> 00:48:24,716
Speaker 5: mixtape is because I got in trouble at.

993
00:48:26,756 --> 00:48:29,676
Speaker 3: I as bad as shit. I got in trouble at

994
00:48:29,756 --> 00:48:31,676
Speaker 3: school for not going to school for two no.

995
00:48:33,956 --> 00:48:36,676
Speaker 5: I got a phone call home from a teacher because

996
00:48:36,716 --> 00:48:40,556
Speaker 5: I skipped her class in particular for like two weeks straight.

997
00:48:41,276 --> 00:48:41,996
Speaker 3: I just didn't go.

998
00:48:43,516 --> 00:48:46,436
Speaker 5: Because her class was after lunch, and I would leave

999
00:48:46,476 --> 00:48:48,796
Speaker 5: at lunch to go make a song, and then I

1000
00:48:48,836 --> 00:48:50,636
Speaker 5: would come back from my fourth period and then I

1001
00:48:50,636 --> 00:48:52,316
Speaker 5: would go home. So, no, girl, I'm not about to

1002
00:48:52,316 --> 00:48:54,396
Speaker 5: go to your class, like you teaching me how to

1003
00:48:54,436 --> 00:48:55,916
Speaker 5: type on a keyboard. Why do I have to go

1004
00:48:55,916 --> 00:48:56,516
Speaker 5: to your class.

1005
00:48:56,876 --> 00:48:59,436
Speaker 3: I'm all to type on this keyboard faster than you. Yeah,

1006
00:48:59,636 --> 00:49:02,116
Speaker 3: grew up on this keyboard. I know sit like the

1007
00:49:02,196 --> 00:49:03,516
Speaker 3: back of my hand. Why do I have to be

1008
00:49:03,596 --> 00:49:06,596
Speaker 3: in there? So yeah. She called my mom and my

1009
00:49:06,676 --> 00:49:09,636
Speaker 3: mom was like, what in your what have you been doing?

1010
00:49:10,196 --> 00:49:12,796
Speaker 3: I told her. I was like, yep, I was making

1011
00:49:12,796 --> 00:49:15,036
Speaker 3: a mixtape and what she doing? You didn't give a

1012
00:49:15,076 --> 00:49:16,836
Speaker 3: damn by no mixtape. She punished me. She was like,

1013
00:49:16,876 --> 00:49:18,916
Speaker 3: you're on punishment. I'm like in the middle of my

1014
00:49:19,036 --> 00:49:27,236
Speaker 3: rollout but naked rollout. Oh no I am. She didn't

1015
00:49:27,236 --> 00:49:28,716
Speaker 3: take my phone, but I was on punishment.

1016
00:49:28,796 --> 00:49:32,236
Speaker 5: I couldn't do anything, but like I was on Twitter

1017
00:49:32,276 --> 00:49:33,516
Speaker 5: promoting and shooed out that project.

1018
00:49:34,436 --> 00:49:36,596
Speaker 4: How did your Instagram? Like, when was the first time

1019
00:49:36,676 --> 00:49:38,956
Speaker 4: that you're in you saw your like followers jump?

1020
00:49:40,716 --> 00:49:43,556
Speaker 3: Oh that's so, that's such a good question. It was

1021
00:49:43,676 --> 00:49:44,636
Speaker 3: like gradual.

1022
00:49:45,116 --> 00:49:46,916
Speaker 4: I don't know, No, I remember you didn't have like

1023
00:49:46,956 --> 00:49:49,316
Speaker 4: a one day you woke up like where you maybe

1024
00:49:49,396 --> 00:49:51,396
Speaker 4: released something and then you had like I.

1025
00:49:51,476 --> 00:49:53,756
Speaker 5: Was watching it the whole time, just move a little

1026
00:49:53,756 --> 00:49:56,876
Speaker 5: by little, yeah, like but it was like when my

1027
00:49:56,956 --> 00:50:00,596
Speaker 5: first two songs drop, Hay Arnold and I Carly and

1028
00:50:00,756 --> 00:50:06,476
Speaker 5: then fucking Lil Yati had hopped on Hey Arnold, and

1029
00:50:06,636 --> 00:50:09,596
Speaker 5: I remember just like I mean, even with my cloud,

1030
00:50:09,676 --> 00:50:12,236
Speaker 5: I remember just sitting by the computer refreshing it and

1031
00:50:12,356 --> 00:50:14,836
Speaker 5: watching it go up by the thousands. Yeah, I remember

1032
00:50:14,916 --> 00:50:17,516
Speaker 5: watching my followers go up by the k's like it'd

1033
00:50:17,556 --> 00:50:20,436
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, one point two point three point five.

1034
00:50:21,276 --> 00:50:23,036
Speaker 5: I was watching it go up and go up, and

1035
00:50:23,156 --> 00:50:25,076
Speaker 5: now I'm not gonna lie. My followers have been going

1036
00:50:25,156 --> 00:50:27,596
Speaker 5: down for like five years, Like I mean, it was

1037
00:50:27,636 --> 00:50:30,276
Speaker 5: just so many followers. But I kind of just be like,

1038
00:50:31,236 --> 00:50:33,316
Speaker 5: I don't know, like I just I don't pay attention

1039
00:50:33,396 --> 00:50:35,276
Speaker 5: to that shit anymore as much as I used to.

1040
00:50:35,596 --> 00:50:38,556
Speaker 5: I used to be like like I didn't like my

1041
00:50:38,676 --> 00:50:40,996
Speaker 5: team had to tell me that teeth Sucker was almost

1042
00:50:40,996 --> 00:50:41,756
Speaker 5: at a million views.

1043
00:50:41,796 --> 00:50:45,996
Speaker 2: I was like, what, that's so crazy, Like.

1044
00:50:46,916 --> 00:50:48,876
Speaker 5: But I think there's freedom in that because it can

1045
00:50:48,956 --> 00:50:51,236
Speaker 5: be kind of scary as an artist looking at like numbers,

1046
00:50:51,316 --> 00:50:52,556
Speaker 5: it can make you like not want.

1047
00:50:52,396 --> 00:50:52,916
Speaker 3: To do stuff.

1048
00:50:53,196 --> 00:50:56,756
Speaker 4: Yes, so okay, so you said that your mom is

1049
00:50:56,796 --> 00:50:59,276
Speaker 4: always telling you that you need to get like a

1050
00:50:59,396 --> 00:51:02,396
Speaker 4: side job or whatever, which you know that's debatable, But

1051
00:51:02,676 --> 00:51:04,436
Speaker 4: what would you do, like if you had to do

1052
00:51:04,556 --> 00:51:06,516
Speaker 4: something more straight, what would it be.

1053
00:51:07,516 --> 00:51:09,676
Speaker 5: I would probably like go to school old to like

1054
00:51:10,636 --> 00:51:12,636
Speaker 5: understand how to produce like leather goods.

1055
00:51:13,276 --> 00:51:16,156
Speaker 3: Oh, I know that's pretty random.

1056
00:51:15,876 --> 00:51:17,956
Speaker 2: But produce leather goods.

1057
00:51:18,236 --> 00:51:21,156
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like leather boots and jackets. Leather jackets.

1058
00:51:22,196 --> 00:51:25,916
Speaker 2: Wow, so like actually craft them.

1059
00:51:26,876 --> 00:51:29,796
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really love leather boots. And if anybody like

1060
00:51:30,356 --> 00:51:32,636
Speaker 5: it is familiar with like my boot game, Like I

1061
00:51:32,716 --> 00:51:36,196
Speaker 5: love boots. And something that I see myself doing when

1062
00:51:36,196 --> 00:51:38,436
Speaker 5: I get older is actually like taking the time and

1063
00:51:38,716 --> 00:51:41,396
Speaker 5: and and just you know, developing a boot.

1064
00:51:41,996 --> 00:51:44,676
Speaker 2: That is not what I thought you were gonna say.

1065
00:51:45,156 --> 00:51:46,676
Speaker 2: I thought you're gonna say produce music.

1066
00:51:47,356 --> 00:51:51,116
Speaker 5: Now. No, when I get older, I want to do

1067
00:51:51,236 --> 00:51:55,316
Speaker 5: something that's like lucrative, very lucrative, very like oh shit,

1068
00:51:55,476 --> 00:51:57,916
Speaker 5: she does that, Like I don't want to be I

1069
00:51:57,956 --> 00:51:59,716
Speaker 5: don't want to be fucking torquing on stage.

1070
00:52:00,716 --> 00:52:02,716
Speaker 2: What's the cutoff? What age is it?

1071
00:52:04,396 --> 00:52:04,556
Speaker 5: Oh?

1072
00:52:04,676 --> 00:52:05,476
Speaker 2: You have three years?

1073
00:52:05,716 --> 00:52:05,756
Speaker 1: No?

1074
00:52:06,076 --> 00:52:09,556
Speaker 3: No, no, the cutoff, bro, there is no head off.

1075
00:52:09,676 --> 00:52:15,276
Speaker 5: Because watching aircaba doun. Yeah, watching Bro, watching a lot

1076
00:52:15,316 --> 00:52:18,356
Speaker 5: of the women in music, like they make their careers

1077
00:52:18,436 --> 00:52:21,036
Speaker 5: last as long as they want them to, and so

1078
00:52:21,116 --> 00:52:23,156
Speaker 5: I don't really think there is a limit on anything.

1079
00:52:23,236 --> 00:52:25,876
Speaker 3: I just know, like Bro, I just don't.

1080
00:52:26,036 --> 00:52:28,956
Speaker 5: I can't see myself torn at forty, Like I feel

1081
00:52:28,996 --> 00:52:30,196
Speaker 5: like I'm gonna be so picky.

1082
00:52:30,436 --> 00:52:32,556
Speaker 2: But what if it was private jet, like it was

1083
00:52:32,676 --> 00:52:33,956
Speaker 2: made very easy for you.

1084
00:52:35,556 --> 00:52:38,396
Speaker 3: I'm glad I kid and I can do it. Maybe

1085
00:52:38,436 --> 00:52:39,956
Speaker 3: it's twenty more years.

1086
00:52:40,316 --> 00:52:42,596
Speaker 2: Because I feel like the older you get, like you know,

1087
00:52:43,076 --> 00:52:45,116
Speaker 2: you have to make certain changes, Like.

1088
00:52:45,276 --> 00:52:48,356
Speaker 5: I don't know though, because when those look girl, when

1089
00:52:48,396 --> 00:52:50,996
Speaker 5: you start taking a private jet, that means you're probably

1090
00:52:51,076 --> 00:52:52,316
Speaker 5: doing two shows in a day.

1091
00:52:52,756 --> 00:52:56,756
Speaker 6: So it's like there's reward, right, It's not free, it's

1092
00:52:56,796 --> 00:53:01,236
Speaker 6: not free, no going in So yeah, I know, but

1093
00:53:01,596 --> 00:53:02,796
Speaker 6: my computer is about to die.

1094
00:53:03,036 --> 00:53:05,956
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate

1095
00:53:05,996 --> 00:53:07,356
Speaker 2: you so much. Thank you for talking.

1096
00:53:07,956 --> 00:53:08,316
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1097
00:53:11,596 --> 00:53:13,916
Speaker 1: An episode description, you'll find a link to a playlist

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Speaker 1: of our favorite Rico Nasty tracks. You can see the

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