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Speaker 2: rerun edition. That's right, aren't you excited? Everyone? I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I am excited to play an episode that I've already played.
Speaker 2: And it's mostly because, well, we're in the middle of
Speaker 2: a series about fighting neoliberalism, and a lot of that
Speaker 2: has to do with the Zapatistas who are fighting in Chiapas,
Speaker 2: and we started that episode last week, and you know what,
Speaker 2: there's so much I bid off so much, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to chew it right. I am trying to chew
Speaker 2: that stuff right for you, and in order to do that,
Speaker 2: I need a little bit more time. But fortunately, you know,
Speaker 2: I get to talk about some stuff that is worth
Speaker 2: reminding yourself or hearing for the first time because it's
Speaker 2: even more context for what we're talking about. Because we're
Speaker 2: talking about the Spapatistas, right, but what about Zappata and
Speaker 2: even before that, what about well, the Maganistas. And that's
Speaker 2: what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about a lot of Mexico's long history of radicalism and
Speaker 2: anti authoritarianism and all of that cool stuff. So here's
Speaker 2: an episode about that that we already ran once, but
Speaker 2: I think you'll like it for the first time or again.
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Speaker 2: is a nice advantage to all of it.
Speaker 3: I recommend to everyone to not watch it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was Like when I was a kid, there's
Speaker 2: all these like Simpsons jokes where they make fun of Fox,
Speaker 2: and I never got it because I didn't watch anything
Speaker 2: else on Fox besides Simpsons. Right, and then, like now, retroactively,
Speaker 2: all of the jokes making fun of their network make
Speaker 2: a lot more sense. They're evergreen too, that's true. I'm
Speaker 2: afraid to rewatch old Simpsons. Actually I haven't, and I
Speaker 2: don't know what will happen if I've.
Speaker 3: Never seen an episode of the Simpsons.
Speaker 1: Brave honestly, honestly, of the programs on Fox. That that
Speaker 1: is the route that you went on, Brave, never seen
Speaker 1: an episode.
Speaker 2: Well, the other voice you're hearing is Sophie. I Sophie's
Speaker 2: a producer.
Speaker 1: In a way, I feel like you have seen an
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Speaker 3: Seen an episode together? Yeah, I think I like someone
Speaker 3: will mention something. I'm like, oh, I've seen like ten
Speaker 3: screenshots from the exact Clipyer pointing out, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ian, as our audio engineer, are.
Speaker 1: You not doing any of the jokes that you put
Speaker 1: in the script because I really like them.
Speaker 2: They're going to come later. I have to do all
Speaker 2: the introductions.
Speaker 1: First, all right, all right, I'm excited.
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Speaker 2: can move forward this point. Okay, as long as all
Speaker 2: the listeners have also said I Ian, we can now continue.
Speaker 2: Unwoman did our music? And so speaking of music, KD,
Speaker 2: have you ever heard of Ariana Grande?
Speaker 3: No, who's that?
Speaker 2: I don't actually really know. That was the joke I
Speaker 2: wrote into the script. I kind of haven't, uh pop,
Speaker 2: great joke.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Instead, I want to talk about a Mexican revolutionary has
Speaker 2: been dead for one hundred and one years.
Speaker 1: Oh hell, yes, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that like
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you for doing that transition. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wrote that joke.
Speaker 2: And as we were talking about things beforehand, because Oriana ground,
Speaker 2: they came up. Have you ever heard of a man
Speaker 2: named Ricardo Flores Macgone?
Speaker 3: I had not.
Speaker 2: Excellent, I'm excited to tell you about this man.
Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 2: We are talking about a man who was convinced that
Speaker 2: the people of Mexico could indeed overthrow their dictator. So
Speaker 2: he spent every hour of his life chainsmoking over a
Speaker 2: typewriter until he convinced everyone else that they could overthrow
Speaker 2: the dictator, and then they did so it worked amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's really fucking interesting. It didn't go the way he
Speaker 2: wanted it to, and I doubt that he would be
Speaker 2: very happy that a lot of his words ended up
Speaker 2: word for word or rapidly paraphrased in the Mexican Constitution,
Speaker 2: because he had an incredible amount of influence on the
Speaker 2: Mexican Republic after the revolution, which is interesting because he
Speaker 2: was part of a thousand strong anarchist movement called the Maganiestas,
Speaker 2: and he hated that they were called that. And this
Speaker 2: story will start where every story in the Western Hemisphere starts,
Speaker 2: which is Europeans showing up and fucking over everyone. In
Speaker 2: this case, it was Fernando Cortez in fifteen eleven who
Speaker 2: showed up in what's now Mexico and he was like,
Speaker 2: this is Spain. Motherfuckers, get in line and or die.
Speaker 1: So he did that.
Speaker 2: That was bad. That lasted a few hundred years. It
Speaker 2: was called New Spain, and then eventually people were like,
Speaker 2: all right, fuck this, and they wanted to have some independence.
Speaker 2: I really like doing all the crazy background context. Magon
Speaker 2: isn't even alive during anything that I'm going to be
Speaker 2: talking about for the next little bit. So, like a
Speaker 2: lot of revolutions, the Mexican War for Independence started off
Speaker 2: with people doing a bunch of rad stuff, and then,
Speaker 2: like a lot of revolutions, it was co opted by
Speaker 2: boring and or bad people. So in the early eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: there's enlightenment ideas going around Mexico and these are referred
Speaker 2: to there as liberal ideas, and they're coming over, creeping
Speaker 2: over to the colonies. So there's a liberal book club
Speaker 2: and in it is a Catholic priest his name is
Speaker 2: Miguel Hidalgo. Like all the best book clubs, this one
Speaker 2: went from reading books to plotting the overthrow of colonial government.
Speaker 2: And Miguel Hidalgo wanted good things, but in the least
Speaker 2: radical way that one could want good things. Right, he
Speaker 2: called for a quote gentle and gradual means to abolish
Speaker 2: the quote horrible right of territorial property, perpetual, hereditary, and exclusive. Basically,
Speaker 2: he was like, we need to get rid of the
Speaker 2: fucking hereditary land ownership where some people own everything and
Speaker 2: everyone else's fucked right, which is increasingly what we're coming
Speaker 2: back to. It's really fun. There's still time, I think,
Speaker 2: to get rid of the hereditary upper class. But it's
Speaker 2: been two hundred years since Hidalgo. Unfortunately, a bunch of
Speaker 2: his friends get arrested for plotting revolution. So he shows
Speaker 2: up to the church. He rings the bell, he calls
Speaker 2: everyone out to him to give a speech. And this speech.
Speaker 2: Have you heard much about the Mexican You get the
Speaker 2: Mexican War for Independence and one hundred years later, the
Speaker 2: Mexican Revolution. I hadn't known too much about it with
Speaker 2: how I grew up.
Speaker 3: But everything that I knew is I grew up in Dallas, Texas,
Speaker 3: and you take like a Texas history class, and so
Speaker 3: I know a lot about like Santa Ana and general,
Speaker 3: you know, Texan being mad at Mexico history.
Speaker 2: But that's fine, okay. Mcgon spent a lot of his
Speaker 2: life in Texas and mostly San Antonio.
Speaker 3: San Antonio is nice.
Speaker 2: It is nice. I had a good time there. I
Speaker 2: once tried to sleep in my van outside a convention,
Speaker 2: but there were too many cops, so I went and
Speaker 2: slept in a closet in the con suite. That's my
Speaker 2: story about San Antonio. That's the main story I have
Speaker 2: about San Antonio. Sounds lovely, Yeah, it was nice, nice closet.
Speaker 2: So there's going to be the Mexican War for Independence,
Speaker 2: and so he goes, and he this Catholic priest, and
Speaker 2: he goes and he gives what's remembered as El Grito
Speaker 2: de Dolores, the Cry of Dolores. And no one actually
Speaker 2: knows what he says, right, but it's repeated like every year,
Speaker 2: and so they have a version of what he said
Speaker 2: that someone later wrote down and it goes something like,
Speaker 2: will you free yourselves? We recover the land stolen three
Speaker 2: hundred years ago from your forefathers by the hated Spaniards.
Speaker 2: And he's religious, so he says, long live our Lady
Speaker 2: of Guadalupe, Death to bad government, death to the goshupenas
Speaker 2: gosh penis being a slur for the nobility the peninsulares
Speaker 2: the people who were born in Spain, because New Spain
Speaker 2: had this super elaborate racial and ethnic hierarchy that put
Speaker 2: born in Spain folks the pen Peninsularis at the top,
Speaker 2: then their white descendants, then the mixed folks way below them,
Speaker 2: then way down at the bottom indigenous folks and black
Speaker 2: folks and everything in like the legal system in New
Speaker 2: Spain was built out of this racial hierarchy. So this
Speaker 2: priest is like, hey, we don't like that. He's kind
Speaker 2: of saying we just don't like the top layer of it.
Speaker 2: He's not saying like we should totally abolish it, which
Speaker 2: makes sense because he's the next level down himself. This
Speaker 2: thing is what's that soften?
Speaker 3: How it goes?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And this guy was his whole thing isn't
Speaker 2: as like pure and great as it could be. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just like let's be free, fuck colonization. It tied
Speaker 2: into some stuff that goes way over my head about
Speaker 2: the king had just been overthrown by Napoleon, and it
Speaker 2: was also about defending the Catholic faith and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But overall I give it like a B minus because
Speaker 2: it's better than anything I've ever done. I want to
Speaker 2: like be the cast the first stone, but I've never
Speaker 2: overthrown a government. I don't know about you. You shouldn't
Speaker 2: tell me if you have.
Speaker 1: But just there's still time.
Speaker 3: There's still time, baby steps.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. I forgot to write down how
Speaker 2: old this guy was when he overthrew me, about.
Speaker 3: To ask, because if he was like sixty, that plenty
Speaker 3: of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks, at least five years. He gives this speech,
Speaker 2: and the revolution is on and they all go march
Speaker 2: around and take over towns. Importantly, indigenous folks show up
Speaker 2: in large numbers and are like, yeah, all right, we'll
Speaker 2: give this a shot. It seems like the best thing going.
Speaker 2: And so they're all marching around in this priest general
Speaker 2: and they're storming places with like fucking literal sticks and
Speaker 2: stones and winning. There's like all of these description of
Speaker 2: battles where they'll win by like ambushing people very carefully
Speaker 2: or just sometimes just like charging in and having a
Speaker 2: fuck ton of people, you know, his followers liberated property
Speaker 2: held by the white Spaniards. This is a recurring theme
Speaker 2: throughout this week's episode, is that a small class of
Speaker 2: people owns like all the goddamn land, and he promises
Speaker 2: anyone He promises that any one who doesn't immediately free
Speaker 2: their slaves is going to get fucking killed, which is cool.
Speaker 2: He also says that Jews don't have to convert to Christianity,
Speaker 2: which is cool. He also probably and this might have
Speaker 2: been slander used against him by the Inquisition later, but
Speaker 2: I want it to be true. He also probably was
Speaker 2: telling everyone that there's no such thing as hell, which
Speaker 2: is like really fucking based for mister Catholic priest. He's
Speaker 2: also producing illege having children, which of course Catholic priests
Speaker 2: aren't supposed to do. But he's having a good time.
Speaker 2: He's fucking he's having a revolution. He's freeing people at gunpoint,
Speaker 2: are freeing. The gunpoint is not at the people, it's
Speaker 2: at the owners of the ostensible owners of the people.
Speaker 2: And he gets excommunicated. This is not particularly surprising, right, No,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if you knew this, No, gohad.
Speaker 1: No, I was just saying no, based on that list,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, those are a few rules that are
Speaker 1: not meant to be broken.
Speaker 3: And I feel like the illegitimate children one flies okay
Speaker 3: with the Catholic Church. But yeah, a's that, you know,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah that I think that wasn't on the list of
Speaker 2: why he got excumunicated.
Speaker 3: I think it was pays off again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gets excommunicated, you know, for all the
Speaker 2: heresy or whatever. But did you know that in God
Speaker 2: and with one hundred thousand armed peasants, all things are possible.
Speaker 2: He finds a bishop and he forces the bishop basically
Speaker 2: at gunpoint, to rescind his excommunication. And now he's back
Speaker 2: in the church's good graces.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love this too.
Speaker 2: It's awesome. Yeah, at least for a while. So they
Speaker 2: march in and they get to Mexico City and then
Speaker 2: they turn away. And now, depending on which book you read,
Speaker 2: no one agrees as to why he turned away from
Speaker 2: Mexico City. People like to argue about it. Maybe the
Speaker 2: priest was, like everyone keeps rioting and looting and killing prisoners,
Speaker 2: and we shouldn't do that to a whole last city.
Speaker 2: But that one, that take seems to come a little
Speaker 2: bit more from the kind of like good white priest,
Speaker 2: scary indigenous people making up the army kind of thing.
Speaker 2: The other take that I'm lean a little bit more
Speaker 2: towards was he was like, oh, we have sticks and
Speaker 2: they have guns. He turns away. Some people think that
Speaker 2: his turning his back is why the war took so long.
Speaker 2: It's also completely possible it's the only reason it was
Speaker 2: ever possible to win it, you know, because everyone wasn't
Speaker 2: just slaughtered right there. His army goes and holds up
Speaker 2: in Guadalajara and like they you know, show up and
Speaker 2: are attacking him and shit, and he gets often a pardon.
Speaker 2: He gets offered a pardon in exchange for surrender, and
Speaker 2: he's like, if fuck off, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2: Like I've come this far. He is not backing down.
Speaker 2: People refusing pardons and pensions and all kinds of awards
Speaker 2: from the government will come up a lot this week.
Speaker 2: So he gets captured. It doesn't go well for him.
Speaker 2: Within a couple months, he is defrocked, excommunicated by the
Speaker 2: inquisition this time just again a step up if you
Speaker 2: have to get the whole last inquisition to kick you out.
Speaker 2: They decide to extra depeat priest him, so they flay
Speaker 2: his hands. And this is something to do with like
Speaker 2: some symbolic mark left on your hands when you become
Speaker 2: a priest, at least at this time and place. And
Speaker 2: then he's executed. July twenty seventh, eighteen eleven. Is not
Speaker 2: a really good day for him, except I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's like Catholic and he gets martyred, right, really backed
Speaker 2: by not a good day for him.
Speaker 3: I think it sounds like fun. It sounds like the
Speaker 3: best day ever.
Speaker 2: I know, well, I mean like this might have been
Speaker 2: the best day of his life. He's a Catholic and
Speaker 2: he gets murtyreed. The Catholic Church rarely considers people they
Speaker 2: kill to be martyrs, but Jonah.
Speaker 3: And he's considered a martyr. Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If he's considered a martyr by the Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: He's app asolutely a martyr in like Mexican history, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but yeah. And his last words are,
Speaker 2: though I may die, I shall be remembered forever. You
Speaker 2: all will soon be forgotten, which is just fucking true.
Speaker 2: This man, I guess still exists and we talk about him.
Speaker 2: I didn't write down the name of the guy who
Speaker 2: killed him.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, we're talking about him in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his head was put on a pike and left
Speaker 2: on display. And I want to compare really quick. He
Speaker 2: gets called Mexico's Father of the nation, right, and he
Speaker 2: was a priest who carried a lance and freed the
Speaker 2: slaves at gunpoint. The US is father of the nation.
Speaker 2: Is George Washington, who literally wore teeth he had ripped
Speaker 2: out of the mouths of living slaves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's not great, no, no, And.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure and spun a lie that most people
Speaker 1: believe that he had wooden teeth.
Speaker 2: Yeah totally. Yeah. I think so much about George Washington's
Speaker 2: teeth me too.
Speaker 3: I hear conservatives talk about it a lot, and they'll
Speaker 3: be like, well he paid them, And I'm like they're still, hey,
Speaker 3: their own b Like what the hell are you supposed
Speaker 3: to do? See, don't take teeth from people? Like how
Speaker 3: how difficult is this to understand? Right, this is not
Speaker 3: a difficult concept. Keep teeth in the mouths of the people.
Speaker 2: Bones belong on the inside, is the general.
Speaker 3: W bones belong on the inside. I'm always saying that.
Speaker 2: I know. That's why I brought you on, Actually is
Speaker 2: because you saw those shirts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bones belong to people, yeah, on the inside.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, well we also saw the one that says
Speaker 2: bones belong to me. But you know, of course, a
Speaker 2: different thing. You're the that's fine, yeah, yeah, no, as
Speaker 2: long as mine get to stay inside, you can do
Speaker 2: whatever you want to other people's. That's the way the
Speaker 2: world works. So their guy dies, right, the war goes
Speaker 2: gorilla for a while, and it wasn't until ten years later,
Speaker 2: in eighteen twenty one, that Mexico gets its independence from Spain,
Speaker 2: and it gets it in a way less cool way.
Speaker 2: It gets it way more in like an America way,
Speaker 2: instead of a like, you know, people actually kicking out
Speaker 2: the colonizer way, more in a cementing the colonizer kind
Speaker 2: of way. The guy who takes charge his name is
Speaker 2: Augustine d Itterbide, and he had actually started the war
Speaker 2: fighting against Hill Hidalgo and just against the revolution, right,
Speaker 2: he just like worked for the fucking crown or whatever.
Speaker 2: His nickname was the Iron Dragon and I have a
Speaker 2: suspicion that no one good has ever been in charge
Speaker 2: of an army and called the iron Dragon.
Speaker 3: I understand that, but also that is like an object,
Speaker 3: Like if someone called me that, I would be like, damn,
Speaker 3: I know I was. That's a cool I I know
Speaker 3: him evil, But it was like, could I.
Speaker 1: Get other people from cool zone media to call me that?
Speaker 3: Sophie, I'll call you the Iron Dragon.
Speaker 1: I can thank you so much.
Speaker 3: You're so welcome anytime, Iron Dragon, I.
Speaker 1: D Margaret, you started something very bad. I see.
Speaker 2: I think you can't be called the Iron Dragon until
Speaker 2: you have three hundred sergeant prisoners executed to celebrate Good Friday?
Speaker 3: Are you telling? Are you saying that Sophie hasn't done.
Speaker 2: That well security culture?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I'm going to do that
Speaker 1: this week, but girls energy, I like the nickname.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, if I call you Iron Dragon,
Speaker 2: then you don't have to prove it by killing three
Speaker 2: hundred people. How about that?
Speaker 3: But you can't. She gives you permission. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad to know this.
Speaker 2: Those are people the bones can be on the outside
Speaker 2: of This guy is so bad that at one point
Speaker 2: he's kicked out by his own side for being rule
Speaker 2: and corrupt. And this is like the battie team kicks
Speaker 2: him out for being too much. And this is the
Speaker 2: guy that he eventually.
Speaker 3: Gave Mexico independence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fighting against independence to the nail, but then
Speaker 2: he basically right near the end, he's like, Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: going to lose. What if instead I'm on the winning
Speaker 2: team and I could be in charge to make sure
Speaker 2: that no one does anything wacky like make a republic.
Speaker 2: When I said that it was kind of like the
Speaker 2: US independence, it's actually worse because the US at least
Speaker 2: made a republic. He sets up a monarchy with all
Speaker 2: of the additional property relations intact, much like Sophie's plan
Speaker 2: for Cools. In this new Mexican monarchy, the only thing
Speaker 2: it did was elevate the creoles, which are the white
Speaker 2: people born in Mexico, to the same level as the
Speaker 2: white people born in Spain. Everyone else just as fucked
Speaker 2: as always. Their new leader calls himself an emperor.
Speaker 1: Fuck him.
Speaker 2: The priest guy was cool. This particular pattern of cool
Speaker 2: folks with cool ideas sparking revolutions that later get watered
Speaker 2: down real bad. That's gonna repeat, and it'll repeat in
Speaker 2: this week's episode and all throughout history constantly. I'm not cynical.
Speaker 2: Is it Anti Cynicism podcast?
Speaker 3: It does repeat, But on the bright side, sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. I can't wait to get to
Speaker 2: the Haitian Revolution. Yes, absolutely, yeah, and actually the Mexican
Speaker 2: Revolution that's gonna come hundred years later. It's like a
Speaker 2: watered down thing, but it's not a like meet the
Speaker 2: new boss, same as the old boss kind of thing.
Speaker 3: So I do infuriated by people that play both sides
Speaker 3: like that, though, I know, so annoying.
Speaker 2: It's so annoying, like, at least have some if you're
Speaker 2: gonna be like a batty, be like an honorable battie,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Exactly, have some dignity, be like going down because I
Speaker 3: am just the worst. Yeah, and uh, I really love
Speaker 3: being the worst. And instead you're switching sides in the
Speaker 3: last second. It's pathetic. It's pathetic.
Speaker 2: It's like that everyone hates a snitch, even the cops
Speaker 2: kind of thing, Like, yes, cops are like you spineless bastard.
Speaker 2: I mean, give me the information, but god, you suck.
Speaker 3: I keep doing anything with the conservatives with jan six
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do they?
Speaker 3: This must be an informant. I'm like, no, you guys
Speaker 3: just flip so easy because none of you believe in
Speaker 3: anything exactly.
Speaker 1: Macpet Magpie. Keep getting confused when you say battie because
Speaker 1: you actually mean bad person. But to me, baddie means
Speaker 1: like a babe and a half.
Speaker 2: Babe and a half, it's a baddie.
Speaker 3: Batties are thick. I wanna you wanna be with some baddies.
Speaker 2: So I should stop making the people who are committing
Speaker 2: atrocities seem cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, batty is a compliment unless they're hot.
Speaker 3: If they're hot, I mean, you can't call it like
Speaker 3: that's technically accurate. Yeah or battye.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm gonna look up more photos ahead of time.
Speaker 2: I usually mostly look.
Speaker 1: Up okay, okay, research research, Yeah, if you need me.
Speaker 3: Well, you're like thick batties. What does this mean? Google?
Speaker 2: Deer, Google Google that one picture of Stalin, the one
Speaker 2: that we all know it it's not even real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that doesn't surprise me at all. Mister early photoshop made
Speaker 2: made himself look better.
Speaker 1: I'm so sure self look like from one direction.
Speaker 2: But if you want to look better, you can buy
Speaker 2: things that will increase your social status and therefore people's
Speaker 2: interest in you. I always hated the like display of
Speaker 2: wealth as like the way to show that you're like, like,
Speaker 2: there's this thing where like men think that if they
Speaker 2: like look rich, that a lot of like people will
Speaker 2: try to sleep with them. Anyway, I just don't think
Speaker 2: that that's true at all.
Speaker 3: When I was a bartender, I had a customer that
Speaker 3: would come in with a Gucci belt and then always
Speaker 3: point out his Gucci belt and got really mad when
Speaker 3: I wouldn't give him my number, and he d five
Speaker 3: times and I don't know what he kept thinking.
Speaker 1: It is always a Gucci belt and Gucci belt singular one.
Speaker 2: And when I was when I was a street kid
Speaker 2: sleeping on top of a seven eleven, I did fairly well.
Speaker 2: You know, money not the way of anyway.
Speaker 1: I like that Margaret was like speaking of a Gucci belt, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean literal opposite of that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying the dirty, like filthy punks do a lot
Speaker 2: better than mister Gucci belt.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, no billionaire would be able to get
Speaker 3: laid on forty one year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: It's just true.
Speaker 2: But these products and services will increase your sexual attractivity, Sophie,
Speaker 2: do you remember what percent it were currently? I know
Speaker 2: that when I exaggerated you get mad at me. It's
Speaker 2: like thirty four percent.
Speaker 1: I thought I was thirty two, but uh, maybe you
Speaker 1: were trending upwards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so thirty two percent more attractive if
Speaker 2: you buy whatever shit someone tries to sell you. Here's
Speaker 2: the bads.
Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: So this guy shows up. He doesn't last. He's calls
Speaker 2: himself the Emperor. He gets run out. I didn't really
Speaker 2: write all the details down about this part. There's thirty
Speaker 2: five years of chaos basically, with various emperors and tyrants
Speaker 2: and occasionally some like republic people sneak in. Most are
Speaker 2: corrupt as shit. They get rich selling off the nation's
Speaker 2: natural resources to foreigners. You get this one cool moment
Speaker 2: where an old rebel leader abolishes slavery along the way
Speaker 2: the US invades and steals half the country eighteen forty six,
Speaker 2: eighteen forty seven. This is like always one of my
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's sort of a cliche, but
Speaker 2: the like the border acrossed US thing is just very,
Speaker 2: very literally true. You know, a huge chunk of well,
Speaker 2: all of Texas and all of the Southwest was part
Speaker 2: of Mexico. And before that, obviously Mexico's also stolen land.
Speaker 2: But you know, and the reason that they US came
Speaker 2: and stole all this land was pretty much to expand
Speaker 2: the slave state.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: They weren't allowed above a certain line. I didn't write
Speaker 2: this into the script. You weren't allowed to have a
Speaker 2: slave state above a certain line in the US. And
Speaker 2: so they were like, all right, we'll take all this shit.
Speaker 2: But they didn't take really far south. I didn't know
Speaker 2: this part. The reason they didn't take all the really
Speaker 2: far south I like read all these quotes from them,
Speaker 2: is that they were like, well, we want land, but
Speaker 2: we don't want free black people and Mexican people in
Speaker 2: the United States. That sounds terrible to these races, so American,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it really is. We're like, we could
Speaker 2: conquer all of Mexico, but I don't know, we're just
Speaker 2: too racist for it. So your personal hero Santa Anna
Speaker 2: was in charge in the eighteen fifties for a while.
Speaker 2: I know fucking nothing about Santana. It's like, literally, this
Speaker 2: is the only mention of him in my script is
Speaker 2: that the revolutionaries don't like him.
Speaker 3: Fun fact there is I'm not sure if you've seen
Speaker 3: the King of the Hill episode, but I can't remember
Speaker 3: which state as it. They had like something from Santa Ana,
Speaker 3: like a part of his body or something, and Texas
Speaker 3: keeps asking for it back and they won't give it back.
Speaker 3: There's a whole King of the Hill episode about it.
Speaker 3: We talked about it in fourth grade Texas history, but
Speaker 3: I can't remember it for the life of me. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I care very much my personal hero. He also wore
Speaker 3: a lot of red and all the paintings. So there's
Speaker 3: your Santa Anna briefer.
Speaker 2: And you saw the shirts that say his bones belong
Speaker 2: in Texas. Yes, exactly inside Texas. Yes, so asks on
Speaker 2: the bones. The main leader of this new batch of
Speaker 2: eighteen fifties revolutionaries is a guy named Benito Juarez who's
Speaker 2: an indigenous guy who found himself an orphan young so
Speaker 2: he walked to the big city I think this is
Speaker 2: Ohaca City and he became a lawyer for the down trodden.
Speaker 2: He was the first indigenous lawyer in Mexico. So he
Speaker 2: starts off great and he ends up middling in terms
Speaker 2: of his legacy and stuff, right, but he genuinely is
Speaker 2: working to improve things.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: He goes on to become the governor of Ojaka and
Speaker 2: he's like, I hate Santa Anna, and it works. He
Speaker 2: takes charge. There's no more immunity for military and church people.
Speaker 2: They have to be held to the same law as
Speaker 2: everyone else, and by eighteen sixty one Mexico's democracy. One
Speaker 2: weird thing along the way is that there's all these
Speaker 2: well intentioned laws. You know how liberals do well intentioned
Speaker 2: law and then they have negative effects. Sometimes that's all
Speaker 2: liberals too. Yeah, yes, So they passed this law that
Speaker 2: basically was like pretty much like kind of like only
Speaker 2: people can let own land. Corporations can't have huge chunks
Speaker 2: of land. The church can't own huge, huge chunks of land,
Speaker 2: which sounds great. The problem is that indigenous people held
Speaker 2: their lands in common, and so this took all their
Speaker 2: land away, or huge chunks of their land. It stripped.
Speaker 3: Was that intentional?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think, you know, I don't really
Speaker 2: super hard want to conjecture. I suspect that many of
Speaker 2: the people involved in doing it knew that was going
Speaker 2: to happen, and we're happy for it. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of it was like the liberalization kind of a
Speaker 2: like well if we make you know, the like bringing
Speaker 2: indigenous people into the like capitalist culture as like progress
Speaker 2: kind of thing. I know that a version of it
Speaker 2: happened in the nineteenth in the early twentieth century in
Speaker 2: the US. I don't have this in my script at all,
Speaker 2: but the first indigenous man who was vice president of
Speaker 2: the United States in the twenties or thirties, I don't
Speaker 2: remember his name. I'm completely running off of old memory.
Speaker 2: He did a very similar thing in the United States
Speaker 2: about privatizing indigenous vice president. Yes, oh my god, we
Speaker 2: should look this up.
Speaker 3: Charles Curtis. He was Herbert Hoover's vice president. What years
Speaker 3: is that, uh, nineteen twenty nine to nineteen thirty three.
Speaker 3: Bummer that he is Herbert Hoover's vice president And he's
Speaker 3: the only mixed race vice president in American history until
Speaker 3: the inauguration of Kamala Harris in twenty twenty one. Oh,
Speaker 3: this is the first US VP to ever open the
Speaker 3: Olympic Games. Yes, id, what's up?
Speaker 1: I literally fucking hate this country. I just read was
Speaker 1: so annoying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing I'd ever read about him was
Speaker 2: this thing where he sold off a lot of tribal
Speaker 2: lands in order to like privatize it and then like
Speaker 2: gave people some money instead of them having access to
Speaker 2: the means of production, like they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's three eighths Native American. I don't know math,
Speaker 3: I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so so this happens in Mexico. Then during
Speaker 2: all the chaos times, Napoleon the Third invades. They kick
Speaker 2: him out on the fifth. Well, they have a big
Speaker 2: fight on the fifth of May eighteen sixty two, which
Speaker 2: is where Cinco de Mayo comes from. The guy who
Speaker 2: led that fight was named Porfio Diaz, Porfyrio Diaz, and
Speaker 2: he's going to be important in a minute. He is
Speaker 2: fucking ruthless. Even if he's ostensibly liberal, he's a little
Speaker 2: bit iron dragony. He's kind of a Sophie, is what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I now feel bad about this because this
Speaker 2: is literally the main antagonist of this week is Portfolio Dias.
Speaker 2: But you know, just is what it is.
Speaker 1: Europe.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're a baddie.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you so much. Yeah, I'm welcome.
Speaker 1: This is the first time this has ever happened to me?
Speaker 2: Simple? So two folks in that battle wind up important later.
Speaker 2: One has the Spanish version of the best name ever,
Speaker 2: which is to say, her name is Margarita Margarita. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, right, Margarita Magone and Teodora Flores. And they
Speaker 2: meet and fall in love because they're fighting the French
Speaker 2: in hand to hand combat in the streets. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: they get together and have a bunch of kids who
Speaker 2: are the main subject of this week's story, but we'll
Speaker 2: get to them later. It takes Mexico until eighteen sixty
Speaker 2: seven to drive out there would be Emperor and execute him.
Speaker 2: Mexico returns to being a republic. They start teaching science
Speaker 2: over religion in schools, this free school for all the kids.
Speaker 2: Like you know, some progresses being made along the way.
Speaker 2: A new radical tendency shows up in Mexico socialism, And
Speaker 2: it's not just any socialism. Mexico gets anarchist socialism. It
Speaker 2: gets though, what if we had a horizontally organized society?
Speaker 2: Kind And it shows up from a really interesting source
Speaker 2: from my point of view, somebody who likes to nerd
Speaker 2: out about this kind of shit, which hopefully at least
Speaker 2: some of you all are. There's a Greek doctor and
Speaker 2: his name is a Plotino Rodocanati, and he is born
Speaker 2: into the Greek aristocracy. But he's like, what if I
Speaker 2: just run around throwing down in every revolution that Europe
Speaker 2: has to offer? So he does that, Oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: including the Hungarian War for Independence in eighteen forty eight,
Speaker 2: which inspired a lot of revolutionaries at the time. Then,
Speaker 2: at least according to one of the sources I read,
Speaker 2: there's a couple different versions of how he got really
Speaker 2: interested in Mexico. He started reading about indigenous Mexican struggle,
Speaker 2: and specifically he started reading about their autonomous villages and
Speaker 2: communal agricultural practices, and he was like, oh, this fucking rules.
Speaker 2: Around the time, he had become a Christian anarchist, and
Speaker 2: he was like, I'm going to move to Mexico because
Speaker 2: I want to know more about this shit. And so
Speaker 2: in eighteen sixty one he moves to Mexico. He goes
Speaker 2: to Mexico City and he starts doing two things. First
Speaker 2: and foremost, he's a doctor, right, so he just starts
Speaker 2: treating people for free, and that's what he spends most
Speaker 2: of his time doing. But he's also super educated because
Speaker 2: he's from the aristocracy. He speaks seven languages, and he's
Speaker 2: like verse in philosophy and shit. So he starts a
Speaker 2: free school and he's running it and he's teaching it.
Speaker 2: Soon the free school becomes a mutual aid society, which
Speaker 2: soon becomes a resistance movement. For a while, all of
Speaker 2: the people he teaches are like, oh, this is great,
Speaker 2: let's go get guns and fuck up the landowners. And
Speaker 2: he's like, wait, no, I'm kind of like a Christian
Speaker 2: pacifisty anarchist and they're like yeah, but we're not, so
Speaker 2: fuck off. And then later he kind of comes around
Speaker 2: actually to the more radical side of things, or the
Speaker 2: more militant side of it.
Speaker 1: Lovely and Magpie explains like some deep history like drama,
Speaker 1: like it was a fight in middle school, and like
Speaker 1: I understand it better. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: They were in front of their lockers.
Speaker 3: Exactly, a dictator and a locker y. Yeah, sprayed him
Speaker 3: in the face with back's body spray.
Speaker 1: Yeah one, yeah, thank you, Magpie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. He has a work rage against the
Speaker 2: machine shirt on this entire time. It's actually impressive. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: So this guy, uh, he spends about twenty five years
Speaker 2: in Mexico teaching and healing, and then in eighteen eighty six,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to like because he's not gonna be
Speaker 2: in the story of the rest of the time, but
Speaker 2: he's an interesting enough guy. He just disappears from the
Speaker 2: historical record in eighteen eighty six. Some say that he
Speaker 2: went back to Greece. Some say that he moved into
Speaker 2: the hills to become a farmer. No one knows. And
Speaker 2: the Christianity that he was into was a Christianity without
Speaker 2: dogma institution. He refused both Protestant and Catholic affiliation. He
Speaker 2: also tried Mormonism, which is the first like cool Mormon
Speaker 2: I've ever had on this show.
Speaker 1: We're really excited about this, like a a week or
Speaker 1: two ago. Margaret was like, hey, and you know that
Speaker 1: I'm serious because I'm calling her Margaret. Margaret was like,
Speaker 1: guess what, And I was like what. Margaret was like,
Speaker 1: I think I found our first cool Mormon. And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you didn't.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Margaret was like, wait and see, and here we are
Speaker 1: about this cool Mormon. Tell us.
Speaker 2: So he joins the Church of the Latter day Saints
Speaker 2: because the Protestants are too materialists, and he can't be
Speaker 2: a Catholic because the Catholic Church is like one of
Speaker 2: the primary institutions of domination and destruction in Mexico at
Speaker 2: the time. And so he leads his thing, and apparently
Speaker 2: he's kind of part of bringing Mormonism to Mexico. But
Speaker 2: he couldn't get the Church of Latter day Saints to
Speaker 2: agree to his plan to over or the Mexican government
Speaker 2: to institute a classicst society built on mutual aid.
Speaker 1: So he left.
Speaker 2: He has his priority street. I gotta say that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like, will Mormons helped me make like decolonize Mexico
Speaker 2: into a like anarchist space And they're like no, and
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, see you. He himself didn't lead
Speaker 2: social struggle. The students that he taught did. They fought
Speaker 2: alongside indigenous rebels generally, who collectively started both the agrarian
Speaker 2: land reform movement in a modern sense and the labor
Speaker 2: movement of Mexico from eighteen sixty seven to eighteen seventy.
Speaker 2: One of his students, Chavez Lopez or Lopez Chavez. Newspapers
Speaker 2: wrote it both ways. I guess that's what happens when
Speaker 2: you do last names other and fifty others, men and women.
Speaker 2: And this is the main thing that I keep running across.
Speaker 2: It's always one guy written down in history, and so
Speaker 2: I had to I just want to shout out Luisa Cavada,
Speaker 2: who is written down as some guy's wife during all
Speaker 2: this struggle, even though she was as much a fucking.
Speaker 1: Part of it. She outlives these whatever. Anyway, they his
Speaker 1: wifed her.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they his wife her. At least they gave
Speaker 2: her name, which is like lucky, I'm not even gonna
Speaker 2: give his name.
Speaker 3: He's the Storylisa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this story does not pass the Bechdel test.
Speaker 2: No. No, they go around, they terrorize the land of
Speaker 2: elite in the country. After someone drained the lake and
Speaker 2: displaced fifteen hundred peasants. They go around and they expropriate
Speaker 2: the huciendas, which are basically the plantations. And they're not
Speaker 2: just like looting, right, They're not just like, oh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna take all this stuff, right, because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of bandits in Mexico throughout all this time, and who
Speaker 2: sometimes do cool things, sometimes do shitty things. But instead
Speaker 2: they divvy up the land and give it back to
Speaker 2: everyone so that everyone has an equal opportunity to grow
Speaker 2: food and live. This makes them popular. If you want
Speaker 2: to know a way to be popular, you find someone
Speaker 2: who has like ten million acres and you take it
Speaker 2: from him with a sword and then give it to everyone.
Speaker 3: Great strategy, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of folks who joined them did so
Speaker 2: specifically because they were like, oh, finally we can do
Speaker 2: things the old way again, right and having communal land
Speaker 2: practices and all the stuff that they grew up with
Speaker 2: their families grew up with a slight majority of this crew,
Speaker 2: the like fifty plus people get away. In the end,
Speaker 2: many see death by firing squad or die in battle.
Speaker 2: Chavez gets executed. His last words are long lived Socialism.
Speaker 2: His death in eighteen sixty eight didn't stop the rebellion
Speaker 2: because he wasn't in charge. It went on twice as
Speaker 2: long without him as it did with him. And three
Speaker 2: of the survivors of his band, including our girl Louisa,
Speaker 2: they go to Chiapas in southern Mexico and they get
Speaker 2: involved in the indigenous uprisings there of eighteen sixty nine. Basically,
Speaker 2: they show up and give weapons trainings and folks are
Speaker 2: like and they give weapons trainings and like, all right, now,
Speaker 2: what should we do. Whatever you decide to do, we're
Speaker 2: in it, which was attack those who have stolen all
Speaker 2: the land for themselves and distribute it fairly again. So
Speaker 2: they go and do that, And it was this agrarian
Speaker 2: movement of combined anarchist and indigenous and anarchist indigenous struggle
Speaker 2: that influenced the later movement of Emiliano Zapata is a
Speaker 2: revolutionary war hero who will be part of another week's episode,
Speaker 2: but we can't don't have time to get to him
Speaker 2: this week, and I'm sad. This was almost like a
Speaker 2: six parter that I dragged you into and then realized
Speaker 2: I should not do that. I should divide it in
Speaker 2: a more natural way. And therefore this struggle in Chiapas
Speaker 2: influenced the Pata and then influenced the Zapatistas, who now
Speaker 2: control huge chunks of Chiapas in an autonomous way. So
Speaker 2: that's fucking cool. And you know what else is cool
Speaker 2: is increasing your sex appeal thirty two percent.
Speaker 1: You know what's cooler, Magpa having no ads, which automatically
Speaker 1: increases your exibule by like, I don't know two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two percent.
Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: Or her ass Sophie online because Sophie responds really well
Speaker 2: and it certainly won't include you in the three hundred
Speaker 2: that she will sacrifice on Good Friday.
Speaker 1: More understanding why I have the nickname I have Now.
Speaker 2: When I think about executing three hundred prisoners on Good Friday,
Speaker 2: how is that not just literally blood sacrifice to the God?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not wrong, like it is. It is
Speaker 1: like a weird version of The wicker Man, but in mass.
Speaker 2: And reverse because the Wickerman killed a cop. They did,
Speaker 2: they did, they did, they did. I just saw that.
Speaker 2: I just saw the original in theaters. I went with
Speaker 2: Sarah Marshall, Oh my God, and it rules they like
Speaker 2: they like they the Wickerman are from yeah about basically
Speaker 2: there's still being Pagans on island in England.
Speaker 1: They like anoint the cop. It was amazing. They like
Speaker 1: anoint the cop by rubbing their blonde hair on him
Speaker 1: and then they burn him alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I like my favorite medieval song.
Speaker 1: They like like they were so ahead of their times.
Speaker 1: They're like, you know what would be really cool, Let's
Speaker 1: barn a cop. And in wicker And in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: two or three or whenever it came out, people are like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's really scary. And then they played in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three and people are like, it's fucking based. But it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be horror, but it is the funniest movie
Speaker 1: I've seen in a very long time. And they're all
Speaker 1: just like horny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyway, here's some horny ads.
Speaker 1: This has become a plug for nineteen seventy threes to
Speaker 1: the wicker Man and if I could anoint somebody with
Speaker 1: my blonde hair, I fucking was. And we are back.
Speaker 2: So the cities didn't want to be left out of
Speaker 2: all of this burning cops alive. I mean social struggle,
Speaker 2: and social struggle has always looked different in cities in
Speaker 2: the countryside, so in the city you get the start
Speaker 2: of the labor movement. In eighteen sixty five, you get
Speaker 2: what's called the first strike in Mexican history. This isn't
Speaker 2: true by a technicality. Every time, every book is always
Speaker 2: like the first, the biggest, the longest, like some super superlative,
Speaker 2: and I always google it and it's never true. But
Speaker 2: this one might be true by a technicality, because there
Speaker 2: was a strike in New Spain ninety nine years earlier
Speaker 2: among silver miners. But eighteen sixty five you get the
Speaker 2: start of the modern Mexican labor movement. And this was
Speaker 2: anarchist at two different textile plants, one of men, one
Speaker 2: of women in Mexico City. On June tenth, eighteen sixty five,
Speaker 2: the government showed up with rifles and they shot people
Speaker 2: and the strike was broken, so they all gave up.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: In eighteen sixty eight, the struggle moved to Clan La
Speaker 2: Pontla de Bas, which used to be more of its
Speaker 2: own city but is now part of the greater Mexico
Speaker 2: City area, and you have four factories of anarchist textile workers.
Speaker 2: I believe all women who go on strike before the strike,
Speaker 2: they worked fourteen hour days in the summer, twelve hour
Speaker 2: days in the winter. They were allowed five minutes each
Speaker 2: day to eat. It's sony because things are so bad
Speaker 2: right now, and so there's all of this like rise
Speaker 2: of the modern labor movement. I'm really excited about it,
Speaker 2: and I still like sometimes read all this stuff and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, we just shouldn't let things get
Speaker 2: this way, right, But it's like that's not sure. I know,
Speaker 2: people will work forteen hour days and shit and just
Speaker 2: have to do fucking a million different jobs and like
Speaker 2: drive uber eats and shit. I don't know whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's fucking bad, so they strike.
Speaker 1: They win.
Speaker 2: This is the first successful strike in Mexican history. Again,
Speaker 2: skeptical first, but whatever, it fucking rules. After this, anarchist
Speaker 2: projects crop up everywhere. It's mostly put folks pushing for
Speaker 2: worker cooperatives and the socialist groups. They let any worker in,
Speaker 2: and they even allow some employers. And you can only
Speaker 2: be in the socialist group if your employees vouch for
Speaker 2: you as like actually a decent boss, right, oh hell
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And it's like it's most these artisans, like
Speaker 2: some shoemaker who hires assistance or whatever is like hey,
Speaker 2: like I want to be part of this too, and
Speaker 2: just ask the assistants and like all right, well are
Speaker 2: they cool? And people are yeather there cool, So so
Speaker 2: the Iron Dragon you can be in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was just gonna say that should
Speaker 1: just be like normal, that's how that should be. Like,
Speaker 1: if you're uncool, you don't get to be in the group. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know these corporations at Post stuff about
Speaker 3: like how they're so you know, their allies or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then they don't pay their workers living wage and
Speaker 3: it's like okay, cool, Well how about you do that first? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then we'll be like, hey, you're cool. And then
Speaker 3: so then you're not cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you're just not Your trans employees want to
Speaker 2: eat food every day. It turns out.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, that's insane. Come on, yeah, that's too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, I think you just called secretly, just called
Speaker 1: me cool.
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no. One day we're going to do
Speaker 2: the Sophie episode, the episode about cool Zone media where
Speaker 2: we won't say aloud who is the bad person on
Speaker 2: it because it would break me as heart.
Speaker 1: But oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it's the last person.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, Yeah, that's why
Speaker 2: it's funny. The red and black flag became the primary
Speaker 2: symbol of the Mexican labor movement. At this point, women's
Speaker 2: rights became central to the was central to their platform
Speaker 2: the entire time, which it fucking better have been, because
Speaker 2: it was women who were the first ones throwing down.
Speaker 2: And then, of course twentieth century labor historians didn't bother
Speaker 2: writing down their fucking names, so I have a hard
Speaker 2: time writing them back into it.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Louise Islence again.
Speaker 2: I know, I know. And once we get to the Maganesis,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a few more women by name, literally,
Speaker 2: because the most recent and best book about the Maganestas is,
Speaker 2: which i'll talk about in a bit, Actually, someone already
Speaker 2: did the work of writing all the women who were
Speaker 2: central to the right back into the fucking story. The
Speaker 2: first two books I read about the maganese Does fucking
Speaker 2: didn't anyway, whatever, I'm not bitter, Wait, yeah, I am okay.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, our man portfolio Diaz, the hero Cinco
Speaker 2: de Maya. He is not our man. He is a
Speaker 2: fucking bastard, not even a battie. As I have learned,
Speaker 2: he's just a bastard. He comes to pass.
Speaker 3: Let's let me see if he's a baddie. How do
Speaker 3: you spell his name?
Speaker 1: Oh? Portfolio okay, so po r f.
Speaker 2: I r io.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: Oh he is not a battie, you know, he's definitely
Speaker 3: not a batty. He's a bastard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Kata is confirmed. Kata is confirmed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm double checking and I agree completely.
Speaker 1: So he sucks.
Speaker 2: He runs on a like I'm a cool liberal and
Speaker 2: I'm the guy from Cinco de Mayo, you should vote
Speaker 2: for me, And he runs on a no one should
Speaker 2: be president twice campaign that's like his whole thing. He
Speaker 2: loses a couple times, so he stages a coup and
Speaker 2: then wins, which is a way that people in the
Speaker 2: US have tried recently to win. But he becomes a
Speaker 2: dictator for more than three decades. He absolutely does not
Speaker 2: keep to his no one should be president twice thing.
Speaker 2: He just slowly extends the like how long the president's
Speaker 2: allowed to be president? Basically it'll take a revolution to
Speaker 2: knock him out. He is sometimes called a constitutional dictator
Speaker 2: because technically he was just president, but He rigged every
Speaker 2: single election, He jailed and killed his opponents. His legislative
Speaker 2: branch didn't have any real power. He was a fucking dictator.
Speaker 2: And you can totally tell the tone of what Mexican
Speaker 2: history thing you're listening to based on how they treat
Speaker 2: this guy. There's a lot of people handwave about like,
Speaker 2: well he brought stability and prosperity, and then people are
Speaker 2: like everyone starved to death under him. He literally just
Speaker 2: increased like the GDP right, the actual wages for people
Speaker 2: went down under him. Everyone was poorer and more fucked
Speaker 2: than during the like decades of chaos. I don't really
Speaker 2: like him, is what I'm trying to say, Margaret.
Speaker 3: Have you considered that maybe the rich people really benefited
Speaker 3: from that system?
Speaker 1: There were winners?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so you can't be mad. You know, you
Speaker 3: got to take some wines. Yeah, takes them. Yeah, whatever
Speaker 3: the other one is, I'm tired.
Speaker 2: And also he was he was mestizo. He was he
Speaker 2: was not entirely white. And although he hired a bunch
Speaker 2: of race scientists that he called his Scientific Council or
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck who claimed that Mexico needed the European
Speaker 2: race to rule it.
Speaker 3: And guff.
Speaker 2: He removed limits on land ownership and seized even more
Speaker 2: fucking land from indigenous people, causing huge uprisings, one of
Speaker 2: which I the Yaqui people. I want to like. I
Speaker 2: think that might be a totally separate thing. I thought
Speaker 2: about diving more and more into them, But then the
Speaker 2: more I dove down that rabbit hole, I was this
Speaker 2: is its own fucking amazing story.
Speaker 1: Does this? Does this fucker like die painfully? Like what's happening?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I remember how the person who replaces
Speaker 2: him dies. I don't, off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: don't remember how he dies.
Speaker 1: I know which it's probably all exile is cool?
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, hold on, we're finding out because this is
Speaker 2: the kind of thing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about someone who truly fucking sucks. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, where does the come up in? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that usually doesn't happen in history. I mean he died
Speaker 1: in exile in France. Yeah, I want to see how
Speaker 1: he died. Yeah, because being exiled and then you're in
Speaker 1: France not that bad mainly to old age study. Yeah,
Speaker 1: damn it, magpie, I mean exile cool.
Speaker 3: Oh, officially this is from Tannica. Officially, he died of
Speaker 3: a heart attack, though it was speculated he'd been murdered
Speaker 3: by prison guards or died of medical neglect.
Speaker 1: Yes, there it is baby like, No, this.
Speaker 3: Is totally this is a different person.
Speaker 1: The character of.
Speaker 3: I got he just hung out with teris probably got
Speaker 3: like a stipend or something like this.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was excited, all right, all right, fucking old age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so before he ideas, it's called the porfiato porfuriato.
Speaker 2: This period he modernized Spain and offered its stability by
Speaker 2: killing everyone he didn't like. When he first came to power,
Speaker 2: he ran as a liberal right originally, and so the
Speaker 2: moderate socialist supported him because he made vague promises about reform.
Speaker 2: He kept none of them. The anarchists, of course, didn't
Speaker 2: support him. They didn't support his opponents either, They supported
Speaker 2: not having a ruler. Fortunately the split didn't last too long.
Speaker 2: After Diaz comes to power and he shows a true color,
Speaker 2: the socialists are back to being united and people, you know,
Speaker 2: they get together and they're like really excited about all this.
Speaker 2: But they're actual actions. The socialist's actual actions, both labor
Speaker 2: actions and the agrarian revolts are met with brutal repression.
Speaker 2: From eighteen seventy eight eighteen eighty four, there are several
Speaker 2: armed anarchists slash indigenous peasant uprisings. The ideological leaders are
Speaker 2: killed and the movements continue. The article I read refers
Speaker 2: to them as getting snuffed out these uprisings. It's a
Speaker 2: combination of executions and exile. The strikes were put down
Speaker 2: by troops. Agrarian revolters were hunted down. Leftists were killed,
Speaker 2: often by what was called Leifuga or fuga. It's the
Speaker 2: fugitive law, which means you're allowed to kill anyone who's
Speaker 2: trying to escape, which means they're like, oh no, he's
Speaker 2: running away, Like literally, as long as you shoot someone
Speaker 2: in the back, it's legal, which is a pretty wait.
Speaker 3: Escape from Mexico no.
Speaker 1: Like escape from captivity.
Speaker 2: Like if a cop comes up to you and he's
Speaker 2: like come with me, and you're like I don't want to,
Speaker 2: then they can be like, ah, well now I get
Speaker 2: to kill you.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so strange. It only happens in this one time.
Speaker 2: I know, that's what's Yeah. Ten thousand people met their
Speaker 2: death to Leifuga. The only place that I get so
Speaker 2: angry about that. I hate whenever people are like, but
Speaker 2: he was running away, and you're like do you hear yourself?
Speaker 2: Do you hear what you just said? Like why would
Speaker 2: that anyway? Whatever? Okay, the left doesn't give up anarchist
Speaker 2: ideas wind up influencing a huge number of the later
Speaker 2: revolutionary leaders. Many go on to advocate for states. They
Speaker 2: but even the revolutionary leaders who advocate for states, they
Speaker 2: end up more focused on regional autonomy and land reform
Speaker 2: as a result of all of this socialism, and eventually
Speaker 2: the left goes into decline under Diaz because open organizing
Speaker 2: is just too fucking dangerous. Everyone's just being murdered. There's
Speaker 2: all these wildcat strikes, particularly among textile workers who just
Speaker 2: fucking rule and just keep wanting to strike no matter what.
Speaker 2: Until we get to the main point of the story,
Speaker 2: until we get to a grouchy and unpleasant man who
Speaker 2: put his entire life, body, and soul into the movement.
Speaker 2: He wound up being called the forefather of the Mexican Revolution,
Speaker 2: even it wasn't anything like the revolution that he fought for.
Speaker 2: Until he get to the maganestas. This would be where
Speaker 2: we make you wait till next week. But there's more
Speaker 2: because I moaha a lot in this one.
Speaker 1: Let's get it.
Speaker 2: Ricardo Flores Macgon was born in Ohaka on September sixteenth,
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy three. His father was indigenous from the Zappa
Speaker 2: Tech people, and his father had been a soldier but
Speaker 2: was cut off from his pension when the bureaucracy was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we like totally lost the records that you fought you
Speaker 2: should bring those records. But the dad lost his pension
Speaker 2: records as well as his first wife and his mother
Speaker 2: in law to a house fire. Mcgon's father had a
Speaker 2: really fucking rough life.
Speaker 3: That's so sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he common in law marys Ricardo's mother, who
Speaker 2: is Mestizo, part Indigenous, part Spanish, one white ancestor. But
Speaker 2: that's enough to like elevate you in the social weird
Speaker 2: hierarchy classes. His parents were common in law married. They
Speaker 2: never had a ceremony or anything official, I think because
Speaker 2: of not really wanting to have much to do with
Speaker 2: the Mexican state. And Ricardo grew up understanding that the
Speaker 2: indigenous forms of mutual aid, where no one in his
Speaker 2: town was rich and no one in his town was poor,
Speaker 2: was the way the world ought to work. He grew
Speaker 2: up in a town with no judges, no jails, and
Speaker 2: no cops, and he's basically like, obviously this Diez's appropriation
Speaker 2: of rural lands meant that capitalism was creeping ever closer
Speaker 2: to what Ricardo saw as his anarchist, communist indigenous upbringing.
Speaker 2: There was actually an uprising there. This is after he
Speaker 2: leaves right like right near the birth town where he
Speaker 2: live for a little while. That is interesting enough that
Speaker 2: I want to stick it in. The folks there were like,
Speaker 2: we don't like our priest. We like our local holy figure,
Speaker 2: who is a teenage healer named Teresa Area the Saint
Speaker 2: of Kabora. And so they're like, we don't want the
Speaker 2: Catholic church. Fuck off, We've got our saint. So they
Speaker 2: kick out the priest. The state burns down the village,
Speaker 2: They kill three hundred people. They just destroy this village
Speaker 2: for kicking out the church. The survivors flee to the UA.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a cool story. It's interesting. The
Speaker 2: survivors flee to the US, including Teresa, who continued to
Speaker 2: organize against the Diaz regime support union activity. She go
Speaker 2: around on like speaking tours and then she give all
Speaker 2: of her money to the poor. She dies of friend
Speaker 2: of the pod tuberculosis in nineteen oh six, and it
Speaker 2: took me As I mentioned. The third book I read
Speaker 2: to read about the women related to any of the uprising,
Speaker 2: and that book that I recommend to everyone is called
Speaker 2: Bad Mexicans by Kelly Leidel Hernandez. That is the book
Speaker 2: to read about maganest does. It's worth reading. Like there's
Speaker 2: some other books that like collect the writings of a
Speaker 2: lot of these people and that's like really cool too,
Speaker 2: like primary source stuff. But if you want to not
Speaker 2: be written out of history, Bad Mexicans is your book.
Speaker 2: The older mcgon brother, his name is Hazus. He goes
Speaker 2: to jail for writing about what happened in that uprising
Speaker 2: along the way before the burning of the town. Their
Speaker 2: father dies because he had a fucking hard life, and
Speaker 2: the mother moves them to Mexico City so that their
Speaker 2: children can get an education. Ricardo goes to law school.
Speaker 2: When he's seventeen, he's arrested for the first time alongside
Speaker 2: his brother Hazus, for protesting against reelection, and he's set
Speaker 2: free because other protests get so hot and demand the
Speaker 2: release of prisoners, and so a lot of the prisoners
Speaker 2: get set free, which is a thing that's happened a
Speaker 2: lot in and I think that Americans should consider. His
Speaker 2: brother stays behind bars for a while longer. So Ricardo
Speaker 2: drops out of school. He drops out of law school,
Speaker 2: and he gets into the newspapers. First, he edits for
Speaker 2: the Eld Democrata, which was shut down by Diaz. When
Speaker 2: the newspaper was raided after only three months of existing,
Speaker 2: Ricardo escaped by jumping out of a window. And then
Speaker 2: he becomes a wanderer. He has the rough six years.
Speaker 2: He works odd jobs. He has a job banana carrier
Speaker 2: and job ice vendor, and he's sending money back.
Speaker 3: So a very old timey Mexican job. Absolutely, it's like
Speaker 3: the equivalent of like being in New York in nineteen twelve,
Speaker 3: and it's like button.
Speaker 2: Cleaner, yeah, yeah, exactly where it secretly means that you
Speaker 2: go into the sewers and pull the buttons out of
Speaker 2: like human group. Yep. And so he sends a bunch
Speaker 2: of money back to his mother. I believe different sources
Speaker 2: talk about this period of his life differently. He gets
Speaker 2: into the CD side of life. He's drinking and gambling
Speaker 2: and fucking. He is both befriending and hiring sex workers
Speaker 2: I think unrelated to the two. He does wind up
Speaker 2: with an STI that leaves him sterile during this period
Speaker 2: of his life, and it's during this period of life
Speaker 2: that he like, it's funny because they're like, during this
Speaker 2: period of life, he sees how bad people have it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, he grew up in a town that
Speaker 2: got burned out anyway, but he sees just how fucking bad.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because he's from more of an indigenous
Speaker 2: background that like, where folks were able to take care
Speaker 2: of each other, and he sees how bad the fucking
Speaker 2: working class has it. So in eighteen ninety nine, he's like,
Speaker 2: all right, but what about revolution, revolution in newspapers, Let's
Speaker 2: fucking go. Also, I want to be a bohemian, wear
Speaker 2: all black, talk about politics and cafes, and read poetry.
Speaker 2: So he does what everyone does when they want to
Speaker 2: be a bohemian and they don't come from money. He
Speaker 2: moves in back with his mother because Margaret's are always
Speaker 2: there for you and we won't let you down. In nineteen,
Speaker 2: what's his last name, Floresmagon.
Speaker 3: We're doing a batty test on this guy.
Speaker 2: His brother's hotter. His brother, Enrique is definitely hotter.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 3: If he just like didn't have the mustache, I could
Speaker 3: totally see. Oh yeah, here's his brother. His brother's definitely hotter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, Magpie predetermined.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no, you were totally right.
Speaker 1: I look up photos of the good guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, they passed the batty test, especially if
Speaker 3: you know you're dressing an all black hanging out with
Speaker 3: your mom. Yeah, hey yeah, sex workers you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, Baddy approved?
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In nineteen hundred, he and Haesus start a paper that
Speaker 2: changes the world, is called Regeneration On and it was
Speaker 2: mostly originally a legal paper. It covers issues of the
Speaker 2: miscarriage of justice under Diaz because his brother's a lawyer.
Speaker 2: It's basically if the National Lawyer's Guild started a newspaper
Speaker 2: that led to the overthrow of a dictator. In nineteen
Speaker 2: hundred and one, people were like, what if we didn't
Speaker 2: have a right wing dictator and called for a liberal party.
Speaker 2: So they had a congress, and when they called for
Speaker 2: the congress, it's surrounded by angry army officers. More than
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty people, including Jesus and Ricardo, crossed
Speaker 2: the line of army officers to go openly participate in
Speaker 2: a seditious congress. Ricardo was there to speak for a
Speaker 2: liberal student group and for his newspaper, just to show
Speaker 2: how different the word liberal, like what liberal meant in
Speaker 2: nineteen oh one Mexico to now. The Liberal Congress started
Speaker 2: with a quote from the anarchist Max Stirner. The quote
Speaker 2: is tyrants appear great because we come to them on
Speaker 2: our knees. Let us rise. I feel like I didn't
Speaker 2: actually name this episode. Liberals ain't what they used to be,
Speaker 2: but that's the subtext. The guy who called for the
Speaker 2: conference was from a wealthy family, but he read a
Speaker 2: lot of Marx and Bakuna, and then he blew all
Speaker 2: of his inherited wealth on revolution, including running a book
Speaker 2: club and taking care of several destitute peasants who had
Speaker 2: a mine for theory and practice, which is likely where
Speaker 2: Ricardo started reading about anarchism. Are these book clubs? Which
Speaker 2: is this is what you should do. If you've inherited
Speaker 2: a bunch of wealth, you should pay proletarian organizers to
Speaker 2: live and spend their money on and tools for revolution
Speaker 2: and social change, whatever tools are appropriate in the context
Speaker 2: where you live. My favorite attendee of the conference was
Speaker 2: a woman named Juana Belen Guterrez de Mendoza, and she
Speaker 2: was Indigenous. She's from the Coxcun people. Her father had
Speaker 2: been a landless rural blacksmith. She didn't know her birth date,
Speaker 2: but she got arrested all the time, so the state
Speaker 2: made one up for January twenty seventh, eighteen seventy five.
Speaker 2: She was arrested again and again advocating for mine workers
Speaker 2: like her husband, and whenever she was arrested and asked
Speaker 2: to write down her name on the booking, she wrote
Speaker 2: to Desion Rebellion, Yeah, it's awesome. And then I'm also
Speaker 2: really excited because I'm very mad. I think people know this.
Speaker 2: I literally have the worst sedition tattooed on my knuckles.
Speaker 2: And I got really mad about January sixth because of this.
Speaker 2: I'm like really fucking bitter.
Speaker 3: They ruin everything. Fine, you know, it's just like, come on, guys.
Speaker 2: I know. Then her husband died and she started an
Speaker 2: anarchists feminist paper called Vesper, which told men they better
Speaker 2: step up lest the women run the revolution alone. It
Speaker 2: was like a whole thing in like nineteenth century feminist revolutionaries.
Speaker 2: A lot of it was basically being like you fuck it.
Speaker 2: They would like play to the machismo of of the
Speaker 2: culture they're in and be like, you fucking cowards, we're
Speaker 2: doing it. Fuck's wrong with you? And I've seen this
Speaker 2: in a bunch of different countries.
Speaker 1: I really like it.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. You don't want women to run things? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get them to run the revolution with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Later, she's going to join a Miliona Zapata's army
Speaker 2: and fight in the revolution and go to her grave
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty two, still fighting for land in liberty.
Speaker 2: She runs papers for decades. She translates Bacunan, Kropockin, and
Speaker 2: Prudana into Spanish.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she's at this fucking congress. Most of the delegates
Speaker 2: are trying to play it safe. Most of them are
Speaker 2: only critiquing the church or mine owners rather than Diaz directly,
Speaker 2: because they don't want to be killed. Ricardo doesn't care.
Speaker 2: He's a fucking bohemian. He takes the stage. He's probably
Speaker 2: wearing like a big black baggy sweater because that was
Speaker 2: his style at the time. And he gets up there
Speaker 2: and he shouts the administration of Porfoio Diaz is a
Speaker 2: den of thebes, and everyone hisses at him because they're like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't fucking say that with the fuck oh shit,
Speaker 2: you know, so he just yells it again and again,
Speaker 2: and finally the third time he fucking yells it, people
Speaker 2: find their courage and met a statement of applause and
Speaker 2: rarely like like speak truth the power, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 2: is like it's like one of these like watered down phrases.
Speaker 2: It's possible that in the single act, Ricardo Flories mcgaun
Speaker 2: forced the ostensible opposition to the dictator to admit to
Speaker 2: all the world that they weren't an ostensible opposition, they
Speaker 2: were actually in opposition. He like this kind of it's okay,
Speaker 2: the revolution doesn't start for ten years. This is what
Speaker 2: makes everyone have to actually start working for it. It's
Speaker 2: also by shouting this to the rooftops, he basically sets
Speaker 2: it up that he's going to spend the majority of
Speaker 2: the twenty one years left in front of him in
Speaker 2: prison as a result of ten different convictions. I made
Speaker 2: up the number ten because I don't remember. It's a
Speaker 2: bunch of fucking convictions. I just don't want to be
Speaker 2: give a specific and then okay. So Regeneracion becomes the
Speaker 2: main liberal newspaper, and it calls for the Constitution to
Speaker 2: be respected and for Diaz to stop bring in the elections,
Speaker 2: and it calls to support strikes and land reform. So
Speaker 2: it didn't take long for Ricardo and his brother Hazus
Speaker 2: to go back to jail. They were apparently the first
Speaker 2: newspaper there we go with first to openly criticize not
Speaker 2: just the actions of the government, but the legitimacy of
Speaker 2: the government. They're also finally covering all the stories of
Speaker 2: sexual violence that the state enacted, and it was there, Hey,
Speaker 2: this particular political boss guy is a fucking rapist story
Speaker 2: that got them thrown in prison. Several of the times
Speaker 2: that macgone and at least one of his other brothers
Speaker 2: go to prison is specifically for calling out sexual abuse
Speaker 2: and things like that from the Diaz regime. So they're
Speaker 2: in jail. Fortunately they only got two of the brothers
Speaker 2: in jail. They have a third brother, so Enrique. He
Speaker 2: starts publishing the paper Jesus and Ricardo write for it
Speaker 2: from jail, and while they're in their mother dies. Marguerita's
Speaker 2: sons got her fierceness from her. As far as I
Speaker 2: can tell, the government had tried to convince her in
Speaker 2: her deathbed to convince her sons to give up their activism. Basically,
Speaker 2: they're like, she's like fucking dying and the government's like, look,
Speaker 2: we'll set your sons free and they can be with
Speaker 2: you when you die if you tell them to just
Speaker 2: fucking stop. Right. Her quote to them is, quote, tell
Speaker 2: President Diaz that I choose to die without seeing my sons,
Speaker 2: and tell them this, I'd rather see my sons hang
Speaker 2: from a tree or a hanging post than for them
Speaker 2: to retract or repent.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she fucking goes hard. What about us?
Speaker 3: That's awesome?
Speaker 1: From street fighting the French.
Speaker 3: To a dying mother that's going up seeing her children
Speaker 3: before she's gone from this world. Yeah, because she does.
Speaker 3: How much it means to her, to so many other
Speaker 3: people and to her sons.
Speaker 2: Yeah awesome. Yeah, this is we'll talk about a little
Speaker 2: bit later, but this is the revolution that the quote
Speaker 2: it's better to die on your feet than live on
Speaker 2: your knees comes from, and it just it comes again
Speaker 2: and again. A few days later, her two older sons
Speaker 2: are sentenced to two years in Bellum prison. And Bellum
Speaker 2: prison is where they actually already are, but they get
Speaker 2: convicted there. It's a cesspit of a prison in a
Speaker 2: very literal way. There's no plumbing, people shit and overflowing
Speaker 2: holes in the ground, and it's where they throw like
Speaker 2: the like, people who have no like, the sick and
Speaker 2: the homeless and the drunks and all of that stuff. Right,
Speaker 2: But their paper, and the anarch of feminist paper, Vesper,
Speaker 2: which has eight thousand subscribers and a bunch of journalists
Speaker 2: and poets and has never fucking mentioned in any of
Speaker 2: the other fucking books, continues, and when the brothers get out,
Speaker 2: Jesus is like, you know what, I'm good that i
Speaker 2: had a fucking good run of it. I'm not turning
Speaker 2: my back on any of this. I'm going to be
Speaker 2: a lawyer, and I'm going to marry my fiance of
Speaker 2: eleven years, who's been fucking waiting.
Speaker 3: How long were they in jail for eleven years?
Speaker 2: No, he goes to jail a lot. They've been engaged
Speaker 2: for eleven years. That particular stint was like two years.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jeseus never becomes a radical again. He stays
Speaker 2: a liberal and like literally a revolutionary, and he ends
Speaker 2: up in the government of the first There's a lot
Speaker 2: of different governments that happened during the revolution, and he
Speaker 2: ends up the government post for a little while. He
Speaker 2: does offer his brother's legal help over the years, but
Speaker 2: they would get into screaming matches about how to get
Speaker 2: things done. Because his brothers later go anarchist and he
Speaker 2: stays liberal. Enrique steps up and now Ricardo and Enrique
Speaker 2: they take over another paper since their papers shut down
Speaker 2: for the moment, so they get arrested again because they
Speaker 2: that's what they do. They go back to bell in prison.
Speaker 2: A lot of the other liberals are waiting for them,
Speaker 2: including that rich guy with all the cool anarchy books.
Speaker 2: His name is Adiaga, and Adiago was offered to be
Speaker 2: freed if he would just stop funding the revolution. They're like, look,
Speaker 2: you're a rich guy, just be a fucking richie, like
Speaker 2: it's fine, and he's like I'm good, fuck you, and
Speaker 2: stays in prison. They all get out nineteen oh three
Speaker 2: and they get right back to it. Oh god. They
Speaker 2: all go to jail so many fucking times that I
Speaker 2: can't keep track of which time anyway. Then they get
Speaker 2: arrested and let out again. This time the government shuts
Speaker 2: down Vesper two. And in this whole click, Ricardo is
Speaker 2: the one who's remembered. He's not the strategician or the
Speaker 2: best writer or anything specific. Besides, he is the well,
Speaker 2: he's the most stubborn one of One of their friends
Speaker 2: said quote he was the prototype of the apostle, and
Speaker 2: that he dazzled his comrades with his character of iron. Eh, Sophy,
Speaker 2: you could be this guy. You could be the iron magone. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, No, I think you're still the Iron Dragon.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry Iron Dragon for Dragon sound schooler. Yeah, Dragon
Speaker 3: sounds way cool.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the Iron Flower. Okay anyway. Uh So, most
Speaker 2: people just think he's a stubborn, fucking an asshole. Frankly,
Speaker 2: like Macgon, does not make friends. He he converts people
Speaker 2: into revolutionaries, but no one fucking likes him. But he
Speaker 2: hates cults of personality and authoritarian leadership, and he struggles
Speaker 2: his whole life with the fact that he wants to
Speaker 2: get his way in every argument and lead everything, but
Speaker 2: he also doesn't. Then the brothers get the best compliment
Speaker 2: any journalist can ever receive. The Mexico City Court, ratified
Speaker 2: later by the Supreme Court, declared that it was illegal
Speaker 2: for any periodical in Mexico to carry anything written by
Speaker 2: any of the Flora's mcgon brothers.
Speaker 3: So that'll stop them for sure. That's way to stop
Speaker 3: a journalist.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine just if someone was like, here's the kataboo.
Speaker 1: Lah the law.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be like, oh fucking sick, Like, let me
Speaker 3: violate this as many times as possible.
Speaker 1: Your books will sell very well.
Speaker 3: It will sell so well, Like I just can't imagine
Speaker 3: ever being like, oh I want these people, these journalists,
Speaker 3: they are obviously very committed to stop writing something. Let's
Speaker 3: make a law against them specifically, Like that would never
Speaker 3: work in any any era of journalism ever. Yeah, unless
Speaker 3: you're a garbage journalist, and in that case the law
Speaker 3: is not going to it wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wouldn't have needed the law for your garbage
Speaker 2: journalists because they would have been like, Hey, do you
Speaker 2: want to die or do you want to write? And
Speaker 2: people will be like, I mean, do you want to
Speaker 2: die or stop writing? The garbage journalist will be like,
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 3: You know, Kelly, I kill me do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they don't want to get killed and they want
Speaker 2: to keep writing, so they have to flee Mexico, which
Speaker 2: we'll talk about on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: That was so cool.
Speaker 2: But before we talk about that, let's talk about you.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about how people can see you tell the
Speaker 2: journalist the thing you think I would know the verb
Speaker 2: for my own job. You plug your pluggables. That's it.
Speaker 3: Uh, there you go. There are now a billion social
Speaker 3: media platforms, so many. There are so many, and I'm
Speaker 3: so tired. My TikTok is kataboo. My blue Sky is
Speaker 3: that too. My Twitter is Aba Gazali cat. My Instagram
Speaker 3: is k Alba Gazale, which is also my threads account.
Speaker 3: If you go on my Twitter, I have a pin
Speaker 3: tweet that has all of it. I need to update
Speaker 3: my little link tree thing. But pretty much you could
Speaker 3: just look at catabou in the site and you'll find it.
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Speaker 2: No, apparently you shouldn't follow Sophie.
Speaker 1: You should follow Okay Anderson, what do you want? She
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, is that?
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Speaker 2: Which your Twitter?
Speaker 1: That's my that's my Twitter. Oh my Twitter. I post
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Speaker 2: I mean it's like Google is the actual way that
Speaker 2: anyone's going to find anything whenever, Like someone's going to
Speaker 2: type in Margaret Kiljoy Twitter, not actually go to at
Speaker 2: Magpie Killjoy And that's fine, that's fine, But you should
Speaker 2: type in Margaret Kiljoy substack because now I write too
Speaker 2: much again and it's on substack and half of it
Speaker 2: is free, and half of it is about my personal life.
Speaker 2: And so it's not free because I see no reason
Speaker 2: why you should get to read that without giving me
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Speaker 3: But agreed, you all on Wednesday, Margret Buny to buy food.
Speaker 2: It's rand read about.
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