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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff

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Speaker 2: rerun edition. That's right, aren't you excited? Everyone? I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: I am excited to play an episode that I've already played.

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Speaker 2: And it's mostly because, well, we're in the middle of

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Speaker 2: a series about fighting neoliberalism, and a lot of that

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Speaker 2: has to do with the Zapatistas who are fighting in Chiapas,

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Speaker 2: and we started that episode last week, and you know what,

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Speaker 2: there's so much I bid off so much, and I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to chew it right. I am trying to chew

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Speaker 2: that stuff right for you, and in order to do that,

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Speaker 2: I need a little bit more time. But fortunately, you know,

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Speaker 2: I get to talk about some stuff that is worth

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Speaker 2: reminding yourself or hearing for the first time because it's

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Speaker 2: even more context for what we're talking about. Because we're

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Speaker 2: talking about the Spapatistas, right, but what about Zappata and

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Speaker 2: even before that, what about well, the Maganistas. And that's

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Speaker 2: what we're going to talk about. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about a lot of Mexico's long history of radicalism and

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Speaker 2: anti authoritarianism and all of that cool stuff. So here's

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Speaker 2: an episode about that that we already ran once, but

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Speaker 2: I think you'll like it for the first time or again.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to cool people did cool stuff. It's

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Speaker 2: the show Wow, you know what kind of show? Probably

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Speaker 2: we have a guest usually including right now, it's Cataboo.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm great, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. Kat watches Fox News for a living,

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Speaker 2: so occasionally needs to do something else.

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Speaker 3: As my theory, yes, I love doing things that aren't

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Speaker 3: that stuff in my personal time and things that aren't

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Speaker 3: my job. It's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can go watch Kat talk about Fox News

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Speaker 2: and then you don't have to watch Fox News, which

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Speaker 2: is a nice advantage to all of it.

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Speaker 3: I recommend to everyone to not watch it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was Like when I was a kid, there's

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Speaker 2: all these like Simpsons jokes where they make fun of Fox,

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Speaker 2: and I never got it because I didn't watch anything

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Speaker 2: else on Fox besides Simpsons. Right, and then, like now, retroactively,

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Speaker 2: all of the jokes making fun of their network make

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Speaker 2: a lot more sense. They're evergreen too, that's true. I'm

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Speaker 2: afraid to rewatch old Simpsons. Actually I haven't, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know what will happen if I've.

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Speaker 3: Never seen an episode of the Simpsons.

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Speaker 1: Brave honestly, honestly, of the programs on Fox. That that

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Speaker 1: is the route that you went on, Brave, never seen

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Speaker 2: Well, the other voice you're hearing is Sophie. I Sophie's

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Speaker 2: a producer.

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Speaker 1: In a way, I feel like you have seen an

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Speaker 1: episode of the Simpsons. Oh, everyone has.

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Speaker 3: Seen an episode together? Yeah, I think I like someone

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Speaker 3: will mention something. I'm like, oh, I've seen like ten

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Speaker 3: screenshots from the exact Clipyer pointing out, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Ian, as our audio engineer, are.

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Speaker 1: You not doing any of the jokes that you put

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Speaker 1: in the script because I really like them.

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Speaker 2: They're going to come later. I have to do all

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Speaker 1: First, all right, all right, I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone has to say hi to Ian before we

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Speaker 2: can move forward this point. Okay, as long as all

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Speaker 2: the listeners have also said I Ian, we can now continue.

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Speaker 2: Unwoman did our music? And so speaking of music, KD,

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Speaker 2: have you ever heard of Ariana Grande?

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Speaker 3: No, who's that?

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Speaker 2: I don't actually really know. That was the joke I

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Speaker 2: great joke.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Instead, I want to talk about a Mexican revolutionary has

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Speaker 2: been dead for one hundred and one years.

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Speaker 1: Oh hell, yes, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that like

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Speaker 2: We are talking about a man who was convinced that

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Speaker 2: And Miguel Hidalgo wanted good things, but in the least

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Speaker 3: But everything that I knew is I grew up in Dallas, Texas,

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Speaker 2: But that's fine, okay. Mcgon spent a lot of his

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Speaker 2: It is nice. I had a good time there. I

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Speaker 3: How it goes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And this guy was his whole thing isn't

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Speaker 1: But just there's still time.

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Speaker 3: There's still time, baby steps.

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Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. I forgot to write down how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks, at least five years. He gives this speech,

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Speaker 2: anyone He promises that any one who doesn't immediately free

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Speaker 2: He also says that Jews don't have to convert to Christianity,

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Speaker 2: He's fucking he's having a revolution. He's freeing people at gunpoint,

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Speaker 2: This man, I guess still exists and we talk about him.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, we're talking about him in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Is George Washington, who literally wore teeth he had ripped

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Speaker 2: Bones belong on the inside, is the general.

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Speaker 3: W bones belong on the inside. I'm always saying that.

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Speaker 3: I know I was. That's a cool I I know

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Speaker 1: Get other people from cool zone media to call me that?

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Speaker 3: Sophie, I'll call you the Iron Dragon.

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Speaker 1: I can thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: You're so welcome anytime, Iron Dragon, I.

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Speaker 1: D Margaret, you started something very bad. I see.

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Speaker 2: I think you can't be called the Iron Dragon until

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Speaker 3: Are you telling? Are you saying that Sophie hasn't done.

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Speaker 2: That well security culture?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I'm going to do that

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, if I call you Iron Dragon,

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Speaker 3: But you can't. She gives you permission. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Those are people the bones can be on the outside

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fighting against independence to the nail, but then

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Speaker 2: When I said that it was kind of like the

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Speaker 2: as always. Their new leader calls himself an emperor.

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Speaker 1: Fuck him.

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Speaker 2: The priest guy was cool. This particular pattern of cool

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Speaker 2: this week's episode and all throughout history constantly. I'm not cynical.

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Speaker 2: Is it Anti Cynicism podcast?

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Speaker 3: It does repeat, But on the bright side, sometimes it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. I can't wait to get to

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Speaker 2: the Haitian Revolution. Yes, absolutely, yeah, and actually the Mexican

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Speaker 2: Revolution that's gonna come hundred years later. It's like a

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Speaker 3: So I do infuriated by people that play both sides

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Speaker 2: It's so annoying, like, at least have some if you're

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Speaker 3: Exactly, have some dignity, be like going down because I

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Speaker 2: It's like that everyone hates a snitch, even the cops

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Speaker 2: I mean, give me the information, but god, you suck.

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Speaker 3: I keep doing anything with the conservatives with jan six

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do they?

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Speaker 3: This must be an informant. I'm like, no, you guys

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Speaker 1: Macpet Magpie. Keep getting confused when you say battie because

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Speaker 2: Babe and a half, it's a baddie.

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Speaker 3: Batties are thick. I wanna you wanna be with some baddies.

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Speaker 2: So I should stop making the people who are committing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, batty is a compliment unless they're hot.

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Speaker 3: If they're hot, I mean, you can't call it like

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Speaker 3: that's technically accurate. Yeah or battye.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm gonna look up more photos ahead of time.

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Speaker 2: I usually mostly look.

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Speaker 1: Up okay, okay, research research, Yeah, if you need me.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're like thick batties. What does this mean? Google?

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Speaker 2: that doesn't surprise me at all. Mister early photoshop made

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Speaker 1: I'm so sure self look like from one direction.

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Speaker 2: But if you want to look better, you can buy

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Speaker 3: When I was a bartender, I had a customer that

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Speaker 2: And when I was when I was a street kid

436
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: sleeping on top of a seven eleven, I did fairly well.

437
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: You know, money not the way of anyway.

438
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: I like that Margaret was like speaking of a Gucci belt, Yeah,

439
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean literal opposite of that.

440
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying the dirty, like filthy punks do a lot

441
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: better than mister Gucci belt.

442
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, no billionaire would be able to get

443
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 3: laid on forty one year.

444
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

445
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 3: It's just true.

446
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: But these products and services will increase your sexual attractivity, Sophie,

447
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: do you remember what percent it were currently? I know

448
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: that when I exaggerated you get mad at me. It's

449
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: like thirty four percent.

450
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 1: I thought I was thirty two, but uh, maybe you

451
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: were trending upwards.

452
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so thirty two percent more attractive if

453
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: you buy whatever shit someone tries to sell you. Here's

454
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: the bads.

455
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: And we're back.

456
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: So this guy shows up. He doesn't last. He's calls

457
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: himself the Emperor. He gets run out. I didn't really

458
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: write all the details down about this part. There's thirty

459
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 2: five years of chaos basically, with various emperors and tyrants

460
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: and occasionally some like republic people sneak in. Most are

461
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 2: corrupt as shit. They get rich selling off the nation's

462
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: natural resources to foreigners. You get this one cool moment

463
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: where an old rebel leader abolishes slavery along the way

464
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: the US invades and steals half the country eighteen forty six,

465
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: eighteen forty seven. This is like always one of my

466
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's sort of a cliche, but

467
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: the like the border acrossed US thing is just very,

468
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 2: very literally true. You know, a huge chunk of well,

469
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: all of Texas and all of the Southwest was part

470
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: of Mexico. And before that, obviously Mexico's also stolen land.

471
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: But you know, and the reason that they US came

472
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: and stole all this land was pretty much to expand

473
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: the slave state.

474
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: Right.

475
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: They weren't allowed above a certain line. I didn't write

476
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: this into the script. You weren't allowed to have a

477
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: slave state above a certain line in the US. And

478
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: so they were like, all right, we'll take all this shit.

479
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: But they didn't take really far south. I didn't know

480
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: this part. The reason they didn't take all the really

481
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: far south I like read all these quotes from them,

482
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: is that they were like, well, we want land, but

483
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: we don't want free black people and Mexican people in

484
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: the United States. That sounds terrible to these races, so American,

485
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it really is. We're like, we could

486
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: conquer all of Mexico, but I don't know, we're just

487
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: too racist for it. So your personal hero Santa Anna

488
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: was in charge in the eighteen fifties for a while.

489
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 2: I know fucking nothing about Santana. It's like, literally, this

490
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: is the only mention of him in my script is

491
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: that the revolutionaries don't like him.

492
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: Fun fact there is I'm not sure if you've seen

493
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 3: the King of the Hill episode, but I can't remember

494
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: which state as it. They had like something from Santa Ana,

495
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: like a part of his body or something, and Texas

496
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: keeps asking for it back and they won't give it back.

497
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: There's a whole King of the Hill episode about it.

498
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: We talked about it in fourth grade Texas history, but

499
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: I can't remember it for the life of me. Obviously,

500
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: I care very much my personal hero. He also wore

501
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: a lot of red and all the paintings. So there's

502
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: your Santa Anna briefer.

503
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: And you saw the shirts that say his bones belong

504
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: in Texas. Yes, exactly inside Texas. Yes, so asks on

505
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: the bones. The main leader of this new batch of

506
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: eighteen fifties revolutionaries is a guy named Benito Juarez who's

507
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: an indigenous guy who found himself an orphan young so

508
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: he walked to the big city I think this is

509
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: Ohaca City and he became a lawyer for the down trodden.

510
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: He was the first indigenous lawyer in Mexico. So he

511
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: starts off great and he ends up middling in terms

512
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: of his legacy and stuff, right, but he genuinely is

513
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: working to improve things.

514
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: Right.

515
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: He goes on to become the governor of Ojaka and

516
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: he's like, I hate Santa Anna, and it works. He

517
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: takes charge. There's no more immunity for military and church people.

518
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: They have to be held to the same law as

519
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: everyone else, and by eighteen sixty one Mexico's democracy. One

520
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: weird thing along the way is that there's all these

521
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: well intentioned laws. You know how liberals do well intentioned

522
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: law and then they have negative effects. Sometimes that's all

523
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: liberals too. Yeah, yes, So they passed this law that

524
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: basically was like pretty much like kind of like only

525
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: people can let own land. Corporations can't have huge chunks

526
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: of land. The church can't own huge, huge chunks of land,

527
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: which sounds great. The problem is that indigenous people held

528
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: their lands in common, and so this took all their

529
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: land away, or huge chunks of their land. It stripped.

530
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: Was that intentional?

531
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, I think, you know, I don't really

532
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: super hard want to conjecture. I suspect that many of

533
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: the people involved in doing it knew that was going

534
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: to happen, and we're happy for it. I think a

535
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: lot of it was like the liberalization kind of a

536
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: like well if we make you know, the like bringing

537
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: indigenous people into the like capitalist culture as like progress

538
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: kind of thing. I know that a version of it

539
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: happened in the nineteenth in the early twentieth century in

540
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,239
Speaker 2: the US. I don't have this in my script at all,

541
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: but the first indigenous man who was vice president of

542
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: the United States in the twenties or thirties, I don't

543
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: remember his name. I'm completely running off of old memory.

544
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: He did a very similar thing in the United States

545
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: about privatizing indigenous vice president. Yes, oh my god, we

546
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: should look this up.

547
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: Charles Curtis. He was Herbert Hoover's vice president. What years

548
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: is that, uh, nineteen twenty nine to nineteen thirty three.

549
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: Bummer that he is Herbert Hoover's vice president And he's

550
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: the only mixed race vice president in American history until

551
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: the inauguration of Kamala Harris in twenty twenty one. Oh,

552
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: this is the first US VP to ever open the

553
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: Olympic Games. Yes, id, what's up?

554
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: I literally fucking hate this country. I just read was

555
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: so annoying.

556
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing I'd ever read about him was

557
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: this thing where he sold off a lot of tribal

558
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: lands in order to like privatize it and then like

559
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: gave people some money instead of them having access to

560
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: the means of production, like they.

561
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's three eighths Native American. I don't know math,

562
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: I don't know how that works.

563
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, so so this happens in Mexico. Then during

564
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,959
Speaker 2: all the chaos times, Napoleon the Third invades. They kick

565
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: him out on the fifth. Well, they have a big

566
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: fight on the fifth of May eighteen sixty two, which

567
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: is where Cinco de Mayo comes from. The guy who

568
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: led that fight was named Porfio Diaz, Porfyrio Diaz, and

569
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: he's going to be important in a minute. He is

570
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: fucking ruthless. Even if he's ostensibly liberal, he's a little

571
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 2: bit iron dragony. He's kind of a Sophie, is what

572
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I now feel bad about this because this

573
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: is literally the main antagonist of this week is Portfolio Dias.

574
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: But you know, just is what it is.

575
00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: Europe.

576
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're a baddie.

577
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you so much. Yeah, I'm welcome.

578
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: This is the first time this has ever happened to me?

579
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: Simple? So two folks in that battle wind up important later.

580
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: One has the Spanish version of the best name ever,

581
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: which is to say, her name is Margarita Margarita. Yeah,

582
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: I know, right, Margarita Magone and Teodora Flores. And they

583
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: meet and fall in love because they're fighting the French

584
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: in hand to hand combat in the streets. Yeah, And

585
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 2: they get together and have a bunch of kids who

586
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: are the main subject of this week's story, but we'll

587
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: get to them later. It takes Mexico until eighteen sixty

588
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: seven to drive out there would be Emperor and execute him.

589
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: Mexico returns to being a republic. They start teaching science

590
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: over religion in schools, this free school for all the kids.

591
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: Like you know, some progresses being made along the way.

592
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: A new radical tendency shows up in Mexico socialism, And

593
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: it's not just any socialism. Mexico gets anarchist socialism. It

594
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: gets though, what if we had a horizontally organized society?

595
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: Kind And it shows up from a really interesting source

596
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: from my point of view, somebody who likes to nerd

597
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: out about this kind of shit, which hopefully at least

598
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: some of you all are. There's a Greek doctor and

599
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: his name is a Plotino Rodocanati, and he is born

600
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: into the Greek aristocracy. But he's like, what if I

601
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: just run around throwing down in every revolution that Europe

602
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: has to offer? So he does that, Oh yeah, and

603
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: including the Hungarian War for Independence in eighteen forty eight,

604
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: which inspired a lot of revolutionaries at the time. Then,

605
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: at least according to one of the sources I read,

606
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: there's a couple different versions of how he got really

607
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 2: interested in Mexico. He started reading about indigenous Mexican struggle,

608
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: and specifically he started reading about their autonomous villages and

609
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: communal agricultural practices, and he was like, oh, this fucking rules.

610
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: Around the time, he had become a Christian anarchist, and

611
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: he was like, I'm going to move to Mexico because

612
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: I want to know more about this shit. And so

613
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: in eighteen sixty one he moves to Mexico. He goes

614
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: to Mexico City and he starts doing two things. First

615
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: and foremost, he's a doctor, right, so he just starts

616
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: treating people for free, and that's what he spends most

617
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: of his time doing. But he's also super educated because

618
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: he's from the aristocracy. He speaks seven languages, and he's

619
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: like verse in philosophy and shit. So he starts a

620
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: free school and he's running it and he's teaching it.

621
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: Soon the free school becomes a mutual aid society, which

622
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: soon becomes a resistance movement. For a while, all of

623
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: the people he teaches are like, oh, this is great,

624
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: let's go get guns and fuck up the landowners. And

625
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: he's like, wait, no, I'm kind of like a Christian

626
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: pacifisty anarchist and they're like yeah, but we're not, so

627
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: fuck off. And then later he kind of comes around

628
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: actually to the more radical side of things, or the

629
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: more militant side of it.

630
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: Lovely and Magpie explains like some deep history like drama,

631
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: like it was a fight in middle school, and like

632
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: I understand it better. I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.

633
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: They were in front of their lockers.

634
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: Exactly, a dictator and a locker y. Yeah, sprayed him

635
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 3: in the face with back's body spray.

636
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah one, yeah, thank you, Magpie.

637
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. He has a work rage against the

638
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: machine shirt on this entire time. It's actually impressive. Absolutely,

639
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: So this guy, uh, he spends about twenty five years

640
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: in Mexico teaching and healing, and then in eighteen eighty six,

641
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm just going to like because he's not gonna be

642
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: in the story of the rest of the time, but

643
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: he's an interesting enough guy. He just disappears from the

644
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: historical record in eighteen eighty six. Some say that he

645
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: went back to Greece. Some say that he moved into

646
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 2: the hills to become a farmer. No one knows. And

647
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: the Christianity that he was into was a Christianity without

648
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: dogma institution. He refused both Protestant and Catholic affiliation. He

649
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 2: also tried Mormonism, which is the first like cool Mormon

650
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: I've ever had on this show.

651
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: We're really excited about this, like a a week or

652
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: two ago. Margaret was like, hey, and you know that

653
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm serious because I'm calling her Margaret. Margaret was like,

654
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: guess what, And I was like what. Margaret was like,

655
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: I think I found our first cool Mormon. And I

656
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: was like, no, you didn't.

657
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: Man.

658
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: Margaret was like, wait and see, and here we are

659
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: about this cool Mormon. Tell us.

660
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: So he joins the Church of the Latter day Saints

661
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: because the Protestants are too materialists, and he can't be

662
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: a Catholic because the Catholic Church is like one of

663
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: the primary institutions of domination and destruction in Mexico at

664
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: the time. And so he leads his thing, and apparently

665
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: he's kind of part of bringing Mormonism to Mexico. But

666
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: he couldn't get the Church of Latter day Saints to

667
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: agree to his plan to over or the Mexican government

668
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: to institute a classicst society built on mutual aid.

669
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: So he left.

670
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: He has his priority street. I gotta say that. Yeah,

671
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: he's like, will Mormons helped me make like decolonize Mexico

672
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: into a like anarchist space And they're like no, and

673
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, see you. He himself didn't lead

674
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: social struggle. The students that he taught did. They fought

675
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: alongside indigenous rebels generally, who collectively started both the agrarian

676
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: land reform movement in a modern sense and the labor

677
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 2: movement of Mexico from eighteen sixty seven to eighteen seventy.

678
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: One of his students, Chavez Lopez or Lopez Chavez. Newspapers

679
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: wrote it both ways. I guess that's what happens when

680
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: you do last names other and fifty others, men and women.

681
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: And this is the main thing that I keep running across.

682
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: It's always one guy written down in history, and so

683
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: I had to I just want to shout out Luisa Cavada,

684
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: who is written down as some guy's wife during all

685
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: this struggle, even though she was as much a fucking.

686
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: Part of it. She outlives these whatever. Anyway, they his

687
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: wifed her.

688
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they his wife her. At least they gave

689
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: her name, which is like lucky, I'm not even gonna

690
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: give his name.

691
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: He's the Storylisa.

692
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, this story does not pass the Bechdel test.

693
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: No. No, they go around, they terrorize the land of

694
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: elite in the country. After someone drained the lake and

695
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: displaced fifteen hundred peasants. They go around and they expropriate

696
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: the huciendas, which are basically the plantations. And they're not

697
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: just like looting, right, They're not just like, oh, we're

698
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: gonna take all this stuff, right, because there's a lot

699
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: of bandits in Mexico throughout all this time, and who

700
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: sometimes do cool things, sometimes do shitty things. But instead

701
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: they divvy up the land and give it back to

702
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: everyone so that everyone has an equal opportunity to grow

703
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: food and live. This makes them popular. If you want

704
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: to know a way to be popular, you find someone

705
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 2: who has like ten million acres and you take it

706
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: from him with a sword and then give it to everyone.

707
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: Great strategy, I know, I know.

708
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: It's a lot of folks who joined them did so

709
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: specifically because they were like, oh, finally we can do

710
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: things the old way again, right and having communal land

711
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: practices and all the stuff that they grew up with

712
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: their families grew up with a slight majority of this crew,

713
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: the like fifty plus people get away. In the end,

714
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: many see death by firing squad or die in battle.

715
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: Chavez gets executed. His last words are long lived Socialism.

716
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: His death in eighteen sixty eight didn't stop the rebellion

717
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: because he wasn't in charge. It went on twice as

718
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: long without him as it did with him. And three

719
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: of the survivors of his band, including our girl Louisa,

720
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: they go to Chiapas in southern Mexico and they get

721
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 2: involved in the indigenous uprisings there of eighteen sixty nine. Basically,

722
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: they show up and give weapons trainings and folks are

723
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: like and they give weapons trainings and like, all right, now,

724
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: what should we do. Whatever you decide to do, we're

725
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: in it, which was attack those who have stolen all

726
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: the land for themselves and distribute it fairly again. So

727
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: they go and do that, And it was this agrarian

728
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: movement of combined anarchist and indigenous and anarchist indigenous struggle

729
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: that influenced the later movement of Emiliano Zapata is a

730
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: revolutionary war hero who will be part of another week's episode,

731
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 2: but we can't don't have time to get to him

732
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: this week, and I'm sad. This was almost like a

733
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: six parter that I dragged you into and then realized

734
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: I should not do that. I should divide it in

735
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: a more natural way. And therefore this struggle in Chiapas

736
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 2: influenced the Pata and then influenced the Zapatistas, who now

737
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: control huge chunks of Chiapas in an autonomous way. So

738
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 2: that's fucking cool. And you know what else is cool

739
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: is increasing your sex appeal thirty two percent.

740
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: You know what's cooler, Magpa having no ads, which automatically

741
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: increases your exibule by like, I don't know two hundred

742
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: and fifty two percent.

743
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: That's right.

744
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: People want to hand you the ox cord. If you

745
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: have cool Zone Media on free, which you can have

746
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: by do people still use ox cords the bluetooth?

747
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I would say it's I would say it's both.

748
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, both. If you go to Cooler if you just

749
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: google Cooler Zone Media and you have an iPhone, you

750
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: can get all of this without ads by subscribing, and

751
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: if you have an Android you can wait a little longer.

752
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: Or her ass Sophie online because Sophie responds really well

753
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: and it certainly won't include you in the three hundred

754
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 2: that she will sacrifice on Good Friday.

755
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: More understanding why I have the nickname I have Now.

756
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: When I think about executing three hundred prisoners on Good Friday,

757
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: how is that not just literally blood sacrifice to the God?

758
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not wrong, like it is. It is

759
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: like a weird version of The wicker Man, but in mass.

760
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: And reverse because the Wickerman killed a cop. They did,

761
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: they did, they did, they did. I just saw that.

762
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: I just saw the original in theaters. I went with

763
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: Sarah Marshall, Oh my God, and it rules they like

764
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: they like they the Wickerman are from yeah about basically

765
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: there's still being Pagans on island in England.

766
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: They like anoint the cop. It was amazing. They like

767
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: anoint the cop by rubbing their blonde hair on him

768
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: and then they burn him alive.

769
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I like my favorite medieval song.

770
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: They like like they were so ahead of their times.

771
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: They're like, you know what would be really cool, Let's

772
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: barn a cop. And in wicker And in nineteen seventy

773
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: two or three or whenever it came out, people are like, whoa,

774
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: that's really scary. And then they played in twenty twenty

775
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: three and people are like, it's fucking based. But it's

776
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: supposed to be horror, but it is the funniest movie

777
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: I've seen in a very long time. And they're all

778
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: just like horny.

779
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, anyway, here's some horny ads.

780
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: This has become a plug for nineteen seventy threes to

781
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: the wicker Man and if I could anoint somebody with

782
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: my blonde hair, I fucking was. And we are back.

783
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: So the cities didn't want to be left out of

784
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: all of this burning cops alive. I mean social struggle,

785
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: and social struggle has always looked different in cities in

786
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: the countryside, so in the city you get the start

787
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: of the labor movement. In eighteen sixty five, you get

788
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: what's called the first strike in Mexican history. This isn't

789
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: true by a technicality. Every time, every book is always

790
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: like the first, the biggest, the longest, like some super superlative,

791
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: and I always google it and it's never true. But

792
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: this one might be true by a technicality, because there

793
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: was a strike in New Spain ninety nine years earlier

794
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: among silver miners. But eighteen sixty five you get the

795
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: start of the modern Mexican labor movement. And this was

796
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: anarchist at two different textile plants, one of men, one

797
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 2: of women in Mexico City. On June tenth, eighteen sixty five,

798
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: the government showed up with rifles and they shot people

799
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: and the strike was broken, so they all gave up.

800
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: No.

801
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: In eighteen sixty eight, the struggle moved to Clan La

802
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: Pontla de Bas, which used to be more of its

803
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: own city but is now part of the greater Mexico

804
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: City area, and you have four factories of anarchist textile workers.

805
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: I believe all women who go on strike before the strike,

806
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: they worked fourteen hour days in the summer, twelve hour

807
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: days in the winter. They were allowed five minutes each

808
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 2: day to eat. It's sony because things are so bad

809
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: right now, and so there's all of this like rise

810
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: of the modern labor movement. I'm really excited about it,

811
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: and I still like sometimes read all this stuff and

812
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, we just shouldn't let things get

813
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: this way, right, But it's like that's not sure. I know,

814
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: people will work forteen hour days and shit and just

815
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: have to do fucking a million different jobs and like

816
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: drive uber eats and shit. I don't know whatever. Anyway,

817
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: it's fucking bad, so they strike.

818
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: They win.

819
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: This is the first successful strike in Mexican history. Again,

820
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: skeptical first, but whatever, it fucking rules. After this, anarchist

821
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: projects crop up everywhere. It's mostly put folks pushing for

822
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: worker cooperatives and the socialist groups. They let any worker in,

823
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: and they even allow some employers. And you can only

824
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: be in the socialist group if your employees vouch for

825
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: you as like actually a decent boss, right, oh hell

826
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. And it's like it's most these artisans, like

827
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: some shoemaker who hires assistance or whatever is like hey,

828
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: like I want to be part of this too, and

829
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: just ask the assistants and like all right, well are

830
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: they cool? And people are yeather there cool, So so

831
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: the Iron Dragon you can be in.

832
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was just gonna say that should

833
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: just be like normal, that's how that should be. Like,

834
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: if you're uncool, you don't get to be in the group. Yeah.

835
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: It's like, you know these corporations at Post stuff about

836
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: like how they're so you know, their allies or whatever,

837
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: and then they don't pay their workers living wage and

838
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: it's like okay, cool, Well how about you do that first? Yeah, yeah,

839
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: and then we'll be like, hey, you're cool. And then

840
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: so then you're not cool.

841
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you're just not Your trans employees want to

842
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: eat food every day. It turns out.

843
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: That's crazy, that's insane. Come on, yeah, that's too much.

844
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, I think you just called secretly, just called

845
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: me cool.

846
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no. One day we're going to do

847
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: the Sophie episode, the episode about cool Zone media where

848
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: we won't say aloud who is the bad person on

849
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: it because it would break me as heart.

850
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: But oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it's the last person.

851
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say, Yeah, that's why

852
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: it's funny. The red and black flag became the primary

853
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: symbol of the Mexican labor movement. At this point, women's

854
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: rights became central to the was central to their platform

855
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: the entire time, which it fucking better have been, because

856
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: it was women who were the first ones throwing down.

857
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: And then, of course twentieth century labor historians didn't bother

858
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: writing down their fucking names, so I have a hard

859
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: time writing them back into it.

860
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: Shout out to Louise Islence again.

861
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: I know, I know. And once we get to the Maganesis,

862
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a few more women by name, literally,

863
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: because the most recent and best book about the Maganestas is,

864
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: which i'll talk about in a bit, Actually, someone already

865
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: did the work of writing all the women who were

866
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: central to the right back into the fucking story. The

867
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: first two books I read about the maganese Does fucking

868
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: didn't anyway, whatever, I'm not bitter, Wait, yeah, I am okay.

869
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: In the meantime, our man portfolio Diaz, the hero Cinco

870
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: de Maya. He is not our man. He is a

871
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: fucking bastard, not even a battie. As I have learned,

872
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: he's just a bastard. He comes to pass.

873
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: Let's let me see if he's a baddie. How do

874
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: you spell his name?

875
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: Oh? Portfolio okay, so po r f.

876
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: I r io.

877
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: Okay.

878
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: Cool.

879
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: Oh he is not a battie, you know, he's definitely

880
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 3: not a batty. He's a bastard.

881
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Kata is confirmed. Kata is confirmed.

882
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm double checking and I agree completely.

883
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: So he sucks.

884
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: He runs on a like I'm a cool liberal and

885
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 2: I'm the guy from Cinco de Mayo, you should vote

886
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: for me, And he runs on a no one should

887
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: be president twice campaign that's like his whole thing. He

888
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: loses a couple times, so he stages a coup and

889
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: then wins, which is a way that people in the

890
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: US have tried recently to win. But he becomes a

891
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: dictator for more than three decades. He absolutely does not

892
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: keep to his no one should be president twice thing.

893
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: He just slowly extends the like how long the president's

894
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: allowed to be president? Basically it'll take a revolution to

895
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: knock him out. He is sometimes called a constitutional dictator

896
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 2: because technically he was just president, but He rigged every

897
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: single election, He jailed and killed his opponents. His legislative

898
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: branch didn't have any real power. He was a fucking dictator.

899
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: And you can totally tell the tone of what Mexican

900
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: history thing you're listening to based on how they treat

901
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: this guy. There's a lot of people handwave about like,

902
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: well he brought stability and prosperity, and then people are

903
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: like everyone starved to death under him. He literally just

904
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: increased like the GDP right, the actual wages for people

905
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: went down under him. Everyone was poorer and more fucked

906
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: than during the like decades of chaos. I don't really

907
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: like him, is what I'm trying to say, Margaret.

908
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: Have you considered that maybe the rich people really benefited

909
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: from that system?

910
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: There were winners?

911
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so you can't be mad. You know, you

912
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 3: got to take some wines. Yeah, takes them. Yeah, whatever

913
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 3: the other one is, I'm tired.

914
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: And also he was he was mestizo. He was he

915
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: was not entirely white. And although he hired a bunch

916
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: of race scientists that he called his Scientific Council or

917
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: whatever the fuck who claimed that Mexico needed the European

918
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: race to rule it.

919
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 3: And guff.

920
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: He removed limits on land ownership and seized even more

921
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: fucking land from indigenous people, causing huge uprisings, one of

922
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: which I the Yaqui people. I want to like. I

923
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: think that might be a totally separate thing. I thought

924
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: about diving more and more into them, But then the

925
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: more I dove down that rabbit hole, I was this

926
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: is its own fucking amazing story.

927
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: Does this? Does this fucker like die painfully? Like what's happening?

928
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I remember how the person who replaces

929
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: him dies. I don't, off the top of my head,

930
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: don't remember how he dies.

931
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: I know which it's probably all exile is cool?

932
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, hold on, we're finding out because this is

933
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: the kind of thing that.

934
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about someone who truly fucking sucks. And

935
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, where does the come up in? Yeah,

936
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: that usually doesn't happen in history. I mean he died

937
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: in exile in France. Yeah, I want to see how

938
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: he died. Yeah, because being exiled and then you're in

939
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: France not that bad mainly to old age study. Yeah,

940
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: damn it, magpie, I mean exile cool.

941
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 3: Oh, officially this is from Tannica. Officially, he died of

942
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: a heart attack, though it was speculated he'd been murdered

943
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: by prison guards or died of medical neglect.

944
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: Yes, there it is baby like, No, this.

945
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: Is totally this is a different person.

946
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: The character of.

947
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: I got he just hung out with teris probably got

948
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: like a stipend or something like this.

949
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: Oh, I was excited, all right, all right, fucking old age.

950
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so before he ideas, it's called the porfiato porfuriato.

951
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: This period he modernized Spain and offered its stability by

952
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: killing everyone he didn't like. When he first came to power,

953
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: he ran as a liberal right originally, and so the

954
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: moderate socialist supported him because he made vague promises about reform.

955
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: He kept none of them. The anarchists, of course, didn't

956
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 2: support him. They didn't support his opponents either, They supported

957
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 2: not having a ruler. Fortunately the split didn't last too long.

958
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: After Diaz comes to power and he shows a true color,

959
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: the socialists are back to being united and people, you know,

960
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: they get together and they're like really excited about all this.

961
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: But they're actual actions. The socialist's actual actions, both labor

962
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: actions and the agrarian revolts are met with brutal repression.

963
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 2: From eighteen seventy eight eighteen eighty four, there are several

964
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: armed anarchists slash indigenous peasant uprisings. The ideological leaders are

965
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 2: killed and the movements continue. The article I read refers

966
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: to them as getting snuffed out these uprisings. It's a

967
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: combination of executions and exile. The strikes were put down

968
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: by troops. Agrarian revolters were hunted down. Leftists were killed,

969
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: often by what was called Leifuga or fuga. It's the

970
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 2: fugitive law, which means you're allowed to kill anyone who's

971
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: trying to escape, which means they're like, oh no, he's

972
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: running away, Like literally, as long as you shoot someone

973
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: in the back, it's legal, which is a pretty wait.

974
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: Escape from Mexico no.

975
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: Like escape from captivity.

976
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: Like if a cop comes up to you and he's

977
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: like come with me, and you're like I don't want to,

978
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: then they can be like, ah, well now I get

979
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: to kill you.

980
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: Right.

981
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 3: Oh that's so strange. It only happens in this one time.

982
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: I know, that's what's Yeah. Ten thousand people met their

983
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: death to Leifuga. The only place that I get so

984
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: angry about that. I hate whenever people are like, but

985
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: he was running away, and you're like do you hear yourself?

986
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: Do you hear what you just said? Like why would

987
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 2: that anyway? Whatever? Okay, the left doesn't give up anarchist

988
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: ideas wind up influencing a huge number of the later

989
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 2: revolutionary leaders. Many go on to advocate for states. They

990
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: but even the revolutionary leaders who advocate for states, they

991
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: end up more focused on regional autonomy and land reform

992
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 2: as a result of all of this socialism, and eventually

993
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: the left goes into decline under Diaz because open organizing

994
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: is just too fucking dangerous. Everyone's just being murdered. There's

995
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: all these wildcat strikes, particularly among textile workers who just

996
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: fucking rule and just keep wanting to strike no matter what.

997
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: Until we get to the main point of the story,

998
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: until we get to a grouchy and unpleasant man who

999
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: put his entire life, body, and soul into the movement.

1000
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,760
Speaker 2: He wound up being called the forefather of the Mexican Revolution,

1001
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: even it wasn't anything like the revolution that he fought for.

1002
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: Until he get to the maganestas. This would be where

1003
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: we make you wait till next week. But there's more

1004
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: because I moaha a lot in this one.

1005
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: Let's get it.

1006
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 2: Ricardo Flores Macgon was born in Ohaka on September sixteenth,

1007
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy three. His father was indigenous from the Zappa

1008
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: Tech people, and his father had been a soldier but

1009
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: was cut off from his pension when the bureaucracy was like, oh,

1010
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: we like totally lost the records that you fought you

1011
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: should bring those records. But the dad lost his pension

1012
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: records as well as his first wife and his mother

1013
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: in law to a house fire. Mcgon's father had a

1014
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: really fucking rough life.

1015
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: That's so sad.

1016
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he common in law marys Ricardo's mother, who

1017
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: is Mestizo, part Indigenous, part Spanish, one white ancestor. But

1018
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: that's enough to like elevate you in the social weird

1019
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: hierarchy classes. His parents were common in law married. They

1020
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: never had a ceremony or anything official, I think because

1021
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: of not really wanting to have much to do with

1022
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: the Mexican state. And Ricardo grew up understanding that the

1023
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: indigenous forms of mutual aid, where no one in his

1024
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: town was rich and no one in his town was poor,

1025
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: was the way the world ought to work. He grew

1026
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: up in a town with no judges, no jails, and

1027
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: no cops, and he's basically like, obviously this Diez's appropriation

1028
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 2: of rural lands meant that capitalism was creeping ever closer

1029
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 2: to what Ricardo saw as his anarchist, communist indigenous upbringing.

1030
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: There was actually an uprising there. This is after he

1031
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: leaves right like right near the birth town where he

1032
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: live for a little while. That is interesting enough that

1033
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: I want to stick it in. The folks there were like,

1034
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: we don't like our priest. We like our local holy figure,

1035
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: who is a teenage healer named Teresa Area the Saint

1036
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: of Kabora. And so they're like, we don't want the

1037
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: Catholic church. Fuck off, We've got our saint. So they

1038
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: kick out the priest. The state burns down the village,

1039
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: They kill three hundred people. They just destroy this village

1040
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 2: for kicking out the church. The survivors flee to the UA.

1041
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a cool story. It's interesting. The

1042
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: survivors flee to the US, including Teresa, who continued to

1043
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: organize against the Diaz regime support union activity. She go

1044
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: around on like speaking tours and then she give all

1045
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: of her money to the poor. She dies of friend

1046
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: of the pod tuberculosis in nineteen oh six, and it

1047
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: took me As I mentioned. The third book I read

1048
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: to read about the women related to any of the uprising,

1049
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: and that book that I recommend to everyone is called

1050
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 2: Bad Mexicans by Kelly Leidel Hernandez. That is the book

1051
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: to read about maganest does. It's worth reading. Like there's

1052
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 2: some other books that like collect the writings of a

1053
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: lot of these people and that's like really cool too,

1054
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: like primary source stuff. But if you want to not

1055
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: be written out of history, Bad Mexicans is your book.

1056
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: The older mcgon brother, his name is Hazus. He goes

1057
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: to jail for writing about what happened in that uprising

1058
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: along the way before the burning of the town. Their

1059
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: father dies because he had a fucking hard life, and

1060
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: the mother moves them to Mexico City so that their

1061
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: children can get an education. Ricardo goes to law school.

1062
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: When he's seventeen, he's arrested for the first time alongside

1063
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 2: his brother Hazus, for protesting against reelection, and he's set

1064
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: free because other protests get so hot and demand the

1065
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: release of prisoners, and so a lot of the prisoners

1066
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: get set free, which is a thing that's happened a

1067
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: lot in and I think that Americans should consider. His

1068
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: brother stays behind bars for a while longer. So Ricardo

1069
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: drops out of school. He drops out of law school,

1070
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: and he gets into the newspapers. First, he edits for

1071
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: the Eld Democrata, which was shut down by Diaz. When

1072
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: the newspaper was raided after only three months of existing,

1073
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: Ricardo escaped by jumping out of a window. And then

1074
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: he becomes a wanderer. He has the rough six years.

1075
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: He works odd jobs. He has a job banana carrier

1076
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: and job ice vendor, and he's sending money back.

1077
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 3: So a very old timey Mexican job. Absolutely, it's like

1078
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: the equivalent of like being in New York in nineteen twelve,

1079
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: and it's like button.

1080
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 2: Cleaner, yeah, yeah, exactly where it secretly means that you

1081
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: go into the sewers and pull the buttons out of

1082
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: like human group. Yep. And so he sends a bunch

1083
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: of money back to his mother. I believe different sources

1084
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: talk about this period of his life differently. He gets

1085
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: into the CD side of life. He's drinking and gambling

1086
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: and fucking. He is both befriending and hiring sex workers

1087
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: I think unrelated to the two. He does wind up

1088
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: with an STI that leaves him sterile during this period

1089
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: of his life, and it's during this period of life

1090
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: that he like, it's funny because they're like, during this

1091
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: period of life, he sees how bad people have it.

1092
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: And I'm like, he grew up in a town that

1093
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: got burned out anyway, but he sees just how fucking bad.

1094
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because he's from more of an indigenous

1095
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: background that like, where folks were able to take care

1096
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: of each other, and he sees how bad the fucking

1097
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: working class has it. So in eighteen ninety nine, he's like,

1098
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: all right, but what about revolution, revolution in newspapers, Let's

1099
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: fucking go. Also, I want to be a bohemian, wear

1100
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: all black, talk about politics and cafes, and read poetry.

1101
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: So he does what everyone does when they want to

1102
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: be a bohemian and they don't come from money. He

1103
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: moves in back with his mother because Margaret's are always

1104
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: there for you and we won't let you down. In nineteen,

1105
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 2: what's his last name, Floresmagon.

1106
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: We're doing a batty test on this guy.

1107
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: His brother's hotter. His brother, Enrique is definitely hotter.

1108
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: Damn.

1109
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 3: If he just like didn't have the mustache, I could

1110
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: totally see. Oh yeah, here's his brother. His brother's definitely hotter.

1111
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, Magpie predetermined.

1112
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no, you were totally right.

1113
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: I look up photos of the good guys.

1114
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, they passed the batty test, especially if

1115
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: you know you're dressing an all black hanging out with

1116
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: your mom. Yeah, hey yeah, sex workers you know. Yeah,

1117
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: all right, Baddy approved?

1118
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I yeah, so.

1119
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1120
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: In nineteen hundred, he and Haesus start a paper that

1121
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: changes the world, is called Regeneration On and it was

1122
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: mostly originally a legal paper. It covers issues of the

1123
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: miscarriage of justice under Diaz because his brother's a lawyer.

1124
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: It's basically if the National Lawyer's Guild started a newspaper

1125
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: that led to the overthrow of a dictator. In nineteen

1126
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 2: hundred and one, people were like, what if we didn't

1127
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: have a right wing dictator and called for a liberal party.

1128
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: So they had a congress, and when they called for

1129
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 2: the congress, it's surrounded by angry army officers. More than

1130
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty people, including Jesus and Ricardo, crossed

1131
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: the line of army officers to go openly participate in

1132
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: a seditious congress. Ricardo was there to speak for a

1133
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: liberal student group and for his newspaper, just to show

1134
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: how different the word liberal, like what liberal meant in

1135
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: nineteen oh one Mexico to now. The Liberal Congress started

1136
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: with a quote from the anarchist Max Stirner. The quote

1137
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: is tyrants appear great because we come to them on

1138
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: our knees. Let us rise. I feel like I didn't

1139
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: actually name this episode. Liberals ain't what they used to be,

1140
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: but that's the subtext. The guy who called for the

1141
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: conference was from a wealthy family, but he read a

1142
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: lot of Marx and Bakuna, and then he blew all

1143
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: of his inherited wealth on revolution, including running a book

1144
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: club and taking care of several destitute peasants who had

1145
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: a mine for theory and practice, which is likely where

1146
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: Ricardo started reading about anarchism. Are these book clubs? Which

1147
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: is this is what you should do. If you've inherited

1148
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of wealth, you should pay proletarian organizers to

1149
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: live and spend their money on and tools for revolution

1150
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: and social change, whatever tools are appropriate in the context

1151
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: where you live. My favorite attendee of the conference was

1152
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: a woman named Juana Belen Guterrez de Mendoza, and she

1153
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: was Indigenous. She's from the Coxcun people. Her father had

1154
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: been a landless rural blacksmith. She didn't know her birth date,

1155
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 2: but she got arrested all the time, so the state

1156
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 2: made one up for January twenty seventh, eighteen seventy five.

1157
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: She was arrested again and again advocating for mine workers

1158
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: like her husband, and whenever she was arrested and asked

1159
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: to write down her name on the booking, she wrote

1160
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: to Desion Rebellion, Yeah, it's awesome. And then I'm also

1161
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: really excited because I'm very mad. I think people know this.

1162
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: I literally have the worst sedition tattooed on my knuckles.

1163
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: And I got really mad about January sixth because of this.

1164
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm like really fucking bitter.

1165
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 3: They ruin everything. Fine, you know, it's just like, come on, guys.

1166
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 2: I know. Then her husband died and she started an

1167
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: anarchists feminist paper called Vesper, which told men they better

1168
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: step up lest the women run the revolution alone. It

1169
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: was like a whole thing in like nineteenth century feminist revolutionaries.

1170
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: A lot of it was basically being like you fuck it.

1171
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: They would like play to the machismo of of the

1172
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: culture they're in and be like, you fucking cowards, we're

1173
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: doing it. Fuck's wrong with you? And I've seen this

1174
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: in a bunch of different countries.

1175
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: I really like it.

1176
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 3: That's awesome. You don't want women to run things? Yeah,

1177
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 3: I get them to run the revolution with you.

1178
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Later, she's going to join a Miliona Zapata's army

1179
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: and fight in the revolution and go to her grave

1180
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty two, still fighting for land in liberty.

1181
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: She runs papers for decades. She translates Bacunan, Kropockin, and

1182
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: Prudana into Spanish.

1183
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1184
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: So she's at this fucking congress. Most of the delegates

1185
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: are trying to play it safe. Most of them are

1186
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: only critiquing the church or mine owners rather than Diaz directly,

1187
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: because they don't want to be killed. Ricardo doesn't care.

1188
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 2: He's a fucking bohemian. He takes the stage. He's probably

1189
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: wearing like a big black baggy sweater because that was

1190
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: his style at the time. And he gets up there

1191
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: and he shouts the administration of Porfoio Diaz is a

1192
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: den of thebes, and everyone hisses at him because they're like, no,

1193
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,959
Speaker 2: you can't fucking say that with the fuck oh shit,

1194
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, so he just yells it again and again,

1195
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: and finally the third time he fucking yells it, people

1196
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: find their courage and met a statement of applause and

1197
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: rarely like like speak truth the power, et cetera, et cetera,

1198
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: is like it's like one of these like watered down phrases.

1199
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 2: It's possible that in the single act, Ricardo Flories mcgaun

1200
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: forced the ostensible opposition to the dictator to admit to

1201
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: all the world that they weren't an ostensible opposition, they

1202
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: were actually in opposition. He like this kind of it's okay,

1203
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: the revolution doesn't start for ten years. This is what

1204
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: makes everyone have to actually start working for it. It's

1205
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: also by shouting this to the rooftops, he basically sets

1206
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: it up that he's going to spend the majority of

1207
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: the twenty one years left in front of him in

1208
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: prison as a result of ten different convictions. I made

1209
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: up the number ten because I don't remember. It's a

1210
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: bunch of fucking convictions. I just don't want to be

1211
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: give a specific and then okay. So Regeneracion becomes the

1212
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: main liberal newspaper, and it calls for the Constitution to

1213
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 2: be respected and for Diaz to stop bring in the elections,

1214
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: and it calls to support strikes and land reform. So

1215
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: it didn't take long for Ricardo and his brother Hazus

1216
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: to go back to jail. They were apparently the first

1217
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: newspaper there we go with first to openly criticize not

1218
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: just the actions of the government, but the legitimacy of

1219
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: the government. They're also finally covering all the stories of

1220
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: sexual violence that the state enacted, and it was there, Hey,

1221
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: this particular political boss guy is a fucking rapist story

1222
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: that got them thrown in prison. Several of the times

1223
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: that macgone and at least one of his other brothers

1224
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: go to prison is specifically for calling out sexual abuse

1225
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: and things like that from the Diaz regime. So they're

1226
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: in jail. Fortunately they only got two of the brothers

1227
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 2: in jail. They have a third brother, so Enrique. He

1228
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: starts publishing the paper Jesus and Ricardo write for it

1229
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: from jail, and while they're in their mother dies. Marguerita's

1230
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: sons got her fierceness from her. As far as I

1231
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: can tell, the government had tried to convince her in

1232
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: her deathbed to convince her sons to give up their activism. Basically,

1233
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: they're like, she's like fucking dying and the government's like, look,

1234
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: we'll set your sons free and they can be with

1235
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: you when you die if you tell them to just

1236
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: fucking stop. Right. Her quote to them is, quote, tell

1237
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: President Diaz that I choose to die without seeing my sons,

1238
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 2: and tell them this, I'd rather see my sons hang

1239
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: from a tree or a hanging post than for them

1240
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: to retract or repent.

1241
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: That's awesome.

1242
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she fucking goes hard. What about us?

1243
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 3: That's awesome?

1244
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: From street fighting the French.

1245
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: To a dying mother that's going up seeing her children

1246
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 3: before she's gone from this world. Yeah, because she does.

1247
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 3: How much it means to her, to so many other

1248
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 3: people and to her sons.

1249
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah awesome. Yeah, this is we'll talk about a little

1250
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: bit later, but this is the revolution that the quote

1251
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 2: it's better to die on your feet than live on

1252
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 2: your knees comes from, and it just it comes again

1253
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: and again. A few days later, her two older sons

1254
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: are sentenced to two years in Bellum prison. And Bellum

1255
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: prison is where they actually already are, but they get

1256
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: convicted there. It's a cesspit of a prison in a

1257
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 2: very literal way. There's no plumbing, people shit and overflowing

1258
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 2: holes in the ground, and it's where they throw like

1259
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: the like, people who have no like, the sick and

1260
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 2: the homeless and the drunks and all of that stuff. Right,

1261
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: But their paper, and the anarch of feminist paper, Vesper,

1262
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: which has eight thousand subscribers and a bunch of journalists

1263
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 2: and poets and has never fucking mentioned in any of

1264
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 2: the other fucking books, continues, and when the brothers get out,

1265
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: Jesus is like, you know what, I'm good that i

1266
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 2: had a fucking good run of it. I'm not turning

1267
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: my back on any of this. I'm going to be

1268
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: a lawyer, and I'm going to marry my fiance of

1269
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: eleven years, who's been fucking waiting.

1270
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: How long were they in jail for eleven years?

1271
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 2: No, he goes to jail a lot. They've been engaged

1272
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: for eleven years. That particular stint was like two years.

1273
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jeseus never becomes a radical again. He stays

1274
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: a liberal and like literally a revolutionary, and he ends

1275
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: up in the government of the first There's a lot

1276
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: of different governments that happened during the revolution, and he

1277
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: ends up the government post for a little while. He

1278
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: does offer his brother's legal help over the years, but

1279
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 2: they would get into screaming matches about how to get

1280
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: things done. Because his brothers later go anarchist and he

1281
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: stays liberal. Enrique steps up and now Ricardo and Enrique

1282
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: they take over another paper since their papers shut down

1283
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: for the moment, so they get arrested again because they

1284
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 2: that's what they do. They go back to bell in prison.

1285
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 2: A lot of the other liberals are waiting for them,

1286
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 2: including that rich guy with all the cool anarchy books.

1287
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: His name is Adiaga, and Adiago was offered to be

1288
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: freed if he would just stop funding the revolution. They're like, look,

1289
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 2: you're a rich guy, just be a fucking richie, like

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: it's fine, and he's like I'm good, fuck you, and

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: stays in prison. They all get out nineteen oh three

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01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: and they get right back to it. Oh god. They

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01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: all go to jail so many fucking times that I

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01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: can't keep track of which time anyway. Then they get

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: arrested and let out again. This time the government shuts

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01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 2: down Vesper two. And in this whole click, Ricardo is

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01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: the one who's remembered. He's not the strategician or the

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01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: best writer or anything specific. Besides, he is the well,

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 2: he's the most stubborn one of One of their friends

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: said quote he was the prototype of the apostle, and

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: that he dazzled his comrades with his character of iron. Eh, Sophy,

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: you could be this guy. You could be the iron magone. Okay,

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01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: all right, No, I think you're still the Iron Dragon.

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry Iron Dragon for Dragon sound schooler. Yeah, Dragon

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 3: sounds way cool.

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the Iron Flower. Okay anyway. Uh So, most

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01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: people just think he's a stubborn, fucking an asshole. Frankly,

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01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: like Macgon, does not make friends. He he converts people

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: into revolutionaries, but no one fucking likes him. But he

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01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 2: hates cults of personality and authoritarian leadership, and he struggles

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 2: his whole life with the fact that he wants to

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01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 2: get his way in every argument and lead everything, but

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01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: he also doesn't. Then the brothers get the best compliment

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 2: any journalist can ever receive. The Mexico City Court, ratified

1315
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: later by the Supreme Court, declared that it was illegal

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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: for any periodical in Mexico to carry anything written by

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,440
Speaker 2: any of the Flora's mcgon brothers.

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01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 3: So that'll stop them for sure. That's way to stop

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 3: a journalist.

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01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 2: Could you imagine just if someone was like, here's the kataboo.

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01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: Lah the law.

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01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be like, oh fucking sick, Like, let me

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01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 3: violate this as many times as possible.

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01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: Your books will sell very well.

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01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 3: It will sell so well, Like I just can't imagine

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01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 3: ever being like, oh I want these people, these journalists,

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 3: they are obviously very committed to stop writing something. Let's

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01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: make a law against them specifically, Like that would never

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01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 3: work in any any era of journalism ever. Yeah, unless

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01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 3: you're a garbage journalist, and in that case the law

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01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 3: is not going to it wouldn't have done it.

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01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wouldn't have needed the law for your garbage

1333
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: journalists because they would have been like, Hey, do you

1334
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: want to die or do you want to write? And

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: people will be like, I mean, do you want to

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: die or stop writing? The garbage journalist will be like,

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 2: I'm good.

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01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 3: You know, Kelly, I kill me do it?

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01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: So they don't want to get killed and they want

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01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: to keep writing, so they have to flee Mexico, which

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01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,440
Speaker 2: we'll talk about on Wednesday.

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 3: That was so cool.

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01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: But before we talk about that, let's talk about you.

1345
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: Let's talk about how people can see you tell the

1346
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: journalist the thing you think I would know the verb

1347
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 2: for my own job. You plug your pluggables. That's it.

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01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 3: Uh, there you go. There are now a billion social

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01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 3: media platforms, so many. There are so many, and I'm

1350
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: so tired. My TikTok is kataboo. My blue Sky is

1351
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:37,440
Speaker 3: that too. My Twitter is Aba Gazali cat. My Instagram

1352
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 3: is k Alba Gazale, which is also my threads account.

1353
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 3: If you go on my Twitter, I have a pin

1354
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 3: tweet that has all of it. I need to update

1355
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 3: my little link tree thing. But pretty much you could

1356
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 3: just look at catabou in the site and you'll find it.

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01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: Yay, Hey, Sophie, you.

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01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: Can just follow our cool zone media. That would make

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01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: me ha be Anderson is barking in the background, so

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: that doesn't make her happy.

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01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: No, apparently you shouldn't follow Sophie.

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01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 1: You should follow Okay Anderson, what do you want? She

1363
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: wants you to follow my Instagram so you can see

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: photos of her.

1365
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 2: Oh okay, is that?

1366
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: Why tell you how to find that? You can do

1367
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: that yourselves.

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01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 2: Which your Twitter?

1369
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: That's my that's my Twitter. Oh my Twitter. I post

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: photos over there too.

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01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: I mean it's like Google is the actual way that

1372
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 2: anyone's going to find anything whenever, Like someone's going to

1373
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 2: type in Margaret Kiljoy Twitter, not actually go to at

1374
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: Magpie Killjoy And that's fine, that's fine, But you should

1375
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: type in Margaret Kiljoy substack because now I write too

1376
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 2: much again and it's on substack and half of it

1377
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 2: is free, and half of it is about my personal life.

1378
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,759
Speaker 2: And so it's not free because I see no reason

1379
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 2: why you should get to read that without giving me

1380
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 2: money to buy food.

1381
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: But agreed, you all on Wednesday, Margret Buny to buy food.

1382
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 2: It's rand read about.

1383
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 3: A personal life.

1384
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well cool yeah, and we'll be back

1385
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a

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01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool

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01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com, or check

1388
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,599
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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:25,840
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