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Speaker 2: And Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with
Speaker 2: Lauren Coleman. Lauren, what did you think of the nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty seven Patterson Gimblin film on that Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's one of the best pieces of
Speaker 3: evidence that we have in cryptosoology. Here you have an
Speaker 3: incident where the horses reacted, the humans reacted. They were
Speaker 3: able to be searching in the area that indigenous people
Speaker 3: had reported bigfoot there for hundreds of years. They had
Speaker 3: many tales, and then they were able to actually take
Speaker 3: a film, come back the next day and take ten
Speaker 3: very good footprints that weren't all the same. And those
Speaker 3: are the best kind of footprints, things that actually show
Speaker 3: that the foot is alive and moves around. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's definitely I've written several books. I actually was thinking
Speaker 3: about your show, and this is my fortieth appearance on
Speaker 3: your show, and which wow. Great to dive into the
Speaker 3: archives for anybody that wants to hear some of the
Speaker 3: old shows. I've talked about Bigfoot before. I've talked about
Speaker 3: lots of things, but Bigfoot because it's so interesting to
Speaker 3: so many people. There's different models at the museum, and
Speaker 3: I've you know, like I was talking about the Field
Speaker 3: Guide the Bigfoot, a whole Bigfoot book that I talk
Speaker 3: about the history of the creatures, and I appear in
Speaker 3: other books, you know, writing forwards. I just wrote a
Speaker 3: new forward that's coming out next year that I really
Speaker 3: look into the whole history of the word cryptozoology, when
Speaker 3: it developed and when it really shows up, something that
Speaker 3: people take for granted every time they say the word cryptozoology,
Speaker 3: but believe it or not, we're finding new histories in
Speaker 3: the words and in the when the words appeared first.
Speaker 3: A lot of people thought it was only in the sixties.
Speaker 3: It's been tracked back to the forties. Now people were
Speaker 3: using that word. So, you know, all of this is important,
Speaker 3: especially for a museum guy now, who I never would
Speaker 3: have thought I was going be a director of a museum,
Speaker 3: but I very much looked into the whole notion that
Speaker 3: if I'm going to have a legacy, I might as
Speaker 3: well be in charge of founding a museum and getting
Speaker 3: all of them evidence together. Because what I started to
Speaker 3: see is I tended to be older and older and
Speaker 3: the young kids would come along and they were throwing
Speaker 3: away evidence. You know, the people were coming in the
Speaker 3: field or we're gathering some information, and then they got
Speaker 3: frustrated and it would be thrown out. So now the
Speaker 3: museum is filled full of I once said a conference
Speaker 3: that I was speaking to, I said, at one point
Speaker 3: in my life I had a choice to become a
Speaker 3: hoarder or become a museum director, and I decided to
Speaker 3: become a museum director. And it's worked out pretty good.
Speaker 2: You sound as young as you did forty episodes ago.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I tell that to my wife, that
Speaker 3: she's dealing with an eighteen year old kid in front
Speaker 3: of her. I feel like I'm eighteen year old inside.
Speaker 3: And you know, I really am not slowing down, that's
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Let me throw some creatures your way long. Describe them
Speaker 2: to us and what's going on with them. Let's start
Speaker 2: with Mothman.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: Well, Mothman is a creature that's over human sized, covered
Speaker 3: in feathers, has wings. Of course, the very important movie
Speaker 3: that Mothman Profcies is based upon John Keel's book that
Speaker 3: he wrote when he did investigations in West Virginia and
Speaker 3: looked into this thing, and we've found that there's Native
Speaker 3: American tales that go back. There's reports of it whenever
Speaker 3: horse horse drawn carts are being going down some of
Speaker 3: the mountain roads, and some huge birds go behind these
Speaker 3: things with people in them, just like they do cars
Speaker 3: in the sixties. And we're finding that there's lots of
Speaker 3: stories that have been buried in old colonial times, and
Speaker 3: so that's pretty important to us. There seems to be
Speaker 3: a real connection there between some of these old tales
Speaker 3: and the modern stuff. Unfortunately, the mothman's stories are filled
Speaker 3: full of mistakes and hoaxes and other things. Everybody likes
Speaker 3: to jump on the badwagon, and we recently in the
Speaker 3: last ten years, have had reports supposedly from the Chicago area,
Speaker 3: but a lot of those, believe it or not, are
Speaker 3: balloons and drones and some mistakes that we always see
Speaker 3: in the different fields. The classic mothmen are in Appalachia.
Speaker 2: How about dog Man dog Man.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of people are very interested in dogmen.
Speaker 3: Of course, here again it seems like people have forgotten
Speaker 3: that in Transylvania, reports of weir wolves have been circulating
Speaker 3: for hundreds of years, and people have to put a
Speaker 3: new set of clothes on it and call it dog man.
Speaker 3: Dog Man doesn't seem to be I often have thought
Speaker 3: that many people are seeing Bigfoot leaning down eating roadkill,
Speaker 3: and people are calling these dog men. So there's little
Speaker 3: less evidence there than there is for Bigfoot. But it
Speaker 3: seems to be that people need to look into it,
Speaker 3: and I support individuals, whether they call themselves crypto zoologists
Speaker 3: or focaloist or biologists, go ahead and try to pursue it,
Speaker 3: and let's get some evidence.
Speaker 2: The great oldop of cabraop.
Speaker 3: Cabras are extremely important in the Southwest United States. They're
Speaker 3: a dog like creature. There seems to be two major
Speaker 3: kinds of troopercabras. The ones from Hispanic Latin Marriamerica that
Speaker 3: are on all fours and they seem to be a
Speaker 3: lot of dogs with mange seem to be these troop
Speaker 3: of cabras. And then we have this whole troop of
Speaker 3: cabres that are being seen that have spiky hair and
Speaker 3: are on two feet two legs, and they seem to
Speaker 3: be a different kind of troopicabras. And so it's intriguing
Speaker 3: to see the modern troop of cabras with are seen
Speaker 3: often and people think that they're the ones that are
Speaker 3: in comic books or something, and those are really much
Speaker 3: different than the four legged canidsdect ape. There are different
Speaker 3: kinds of apes all over the world. What kind with
Speaker 3: that again, oh, orangpindeck orangpindeck. That's probably of all of
Speaker 3: the cryptids we've talking about tonight, the one that will
Speaker 3: be found next, I think will be the rangpindeck. The
Speaker 3: rangpindeck are a little reddish.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Childlike almost, and they're seen in Indonesia quite a bit.
Speaker 3: What well we know from anthropology already The most recent
Speaker 3: new species that we need to look at as having
Speaker 3: some connection to the rangpindeck are homophorensis, which is a
Speaker 3: ape like creature that's very small and very short, and
Speaker 3: we find that they were around here. It's actually the
Speaker 3: truth of l the truth of leprechauns did actually exist,
Speaker 3: and for a long time people just figured that was
Speaker 3: all part of folklore. And to find that we actually
Speaker 3: have skeletal remane skulls and that they were part of
Speaker 3: what was going on in human history and human prehistory
Speaker 3: is just totally remarkable to think that when I was
Speaker 3: growing up, we could have never imagined that there were
Speaker 3: really something like an Iran pindeck or a homopherensis, that
Speaker 3: there's actually a species of men that were short men,
Speaker 3: there were little men, there were little women, and that
Speaker 3: we have to really now make room in our cosmology
Speaker 3: for creatures that look like us but were littleer.
Speaker 2: How about the worm.
Speaker 3: The Tazi worm is in the Alps of the in Europe.
Speaker 3: They're shepherds and people hurting. Some animals going up into
Speaker 3: the upper Alps would see these creatures that are if
Speaker 3: you're can imagine a.
Speaker 2: Real creatures worn, yes.
Speaker 3: They are real creatures. Everything that I've been talking about
Speaker 3: it may go into folklore because Bernard Hardiman's once said
Speaker 3: that any new creature that's found is fantastic, is made
Speaker 3: into some kind of folkloric creature for humans to be
Speaker 3: able to take it into their mind and take it
Speaker 3: into their constructs. But Tazin worms, which are six feet
Speaker 3: long and covered with the skin that looks like the
Speaker 3: heel monster, have and seen. They're very real. It's not
Speaker 3: something that people just put in fantasy kids books. There's
Speaker 3: a you know, reports from the thirties, the twenties and
Speaker 3: they people didn't know exactly what they are, and we
Speaker 3: still don't know them, but they're still being seen in
Speaker 3: these remarkably remote places around the world.
Speaker 2: Fascinating. What is the thylos scene wolf, well.
Speaker 3: The thilacene and this is another category of members of
Speaker 3: the cryptozoology family. Cryptids, of course, are any of these
Speaker 3: you know, like sea serpents, lockedness, monster, Bigfoot and so
Speaker 3: there's tales, there's books written about them. But then you
Speaker 3: get into these animals that we already know do exist,
Speaker 3: We have them in zoology, and one of them is
Speaker 3: the silosine. Others are like the ivory build becker. These
Speaker 3: are creatures that have been classified, they're part of zoology
Speaker 3: that they've gone extinct. So what is happening now are
Speaker 3: cryptozoologists and zoologists are on the hunt for these creatures,
Speaker 3: for these animals, but they they're not viable now they're
Speaker 3: seen as an extinct animal, extinct creature that they're they're
Speaker 3: not have not been captured yet. So the Thila scene,
Speaker 3: which is a marsupio found in Tasmania and probably Indonesia
Speaker 3: to be rediscovered in Indonesia have not. We haven't found
Speaker 3: any recent ones since the forties that are alive. There's
Speaker 3: just been sightings, four hundred sightings a year, but still
Speaker 3: just sighting.
Speaker 2: You have models of these beans in the museum.
Speaker 3: Yes, Thio Sing. We have a full sized ronze model
Speaker 3: looks like a you know, it looks kind of like
Speaker 3: a wolf from the way people look at it, but
Speaker 3: it actually is marsupial. And we have other large models.
Speaker 3: We have full size models of the Bigfoot, one of
Speaker 3: the newer ones that someone who is a model maker
Speaker 3: in Hollywood donated to a giant salamander six foot long
Speaker 3: salamander that's been reported in California. And we even sponsored
Speaker 3: an expedition a couple of years ago in northern California.
Speaker 3: The museum sponsored an expedition because that's what we do.
Speaker 3: We don't get much publicity for that, but it's more
Speaker 3: it's more important for us to casually and formally sponsor
Speaker 3: some of these expeditions because we're always hoping that by
Speaker 3: pushing out a lot of people wonder why we're in Maine.
Speaker 3: We're in Maine because I'm here, but also there's a
Speaker 3: population of individuals that support the Cryptozoology Museum all over
Speaker 3: the world, and we just happen to have the museum
Speaker 3: here because it's easier for us to gather all of
Speaker 3: these pieces of evidence and keep them safe here, and
Speaker 3: then people and people come to the museum, you know,
Speaker 3: from Nepal, Japan, California, all those exotic places.
Speaker 2: What is the what is the koi wolf?
Speaker 3: The koi wolf? There are many reports now coyotes have
Speaker 3: been reported all over the United States and encroaching into
Speaker 3: urban areas.
Speaker 1: But this.
Speaker 3: Fascinating sort of subspecies or hybrid breed is wolves and
Speaker 3: coyotes that are breeding together, and they're actually producing a
Speaker 3: rather robust canid that's a little bit larger and sometimes
Speaker 3: has a coat that is more a little bit darker
Speaker 3: and has a different coloration. But they also coyotes tend
Speaker 3: to go in packs, and these koi whos go separately
Speaker 3: and are seen separately. But we actually have some good
Speaker 3: evidence of those hair samples and DNA, so we're certain
Speaker 3: we're still tracking what's going on with the koi wools.
Speaker 3: The bird, Dodo bird is more on the edges of
Speaker 3: it's one of those extinct species. We know that it
Speaker 3: disappeared in the sixteen hundreds, but for one hundred years
Speaker 3: or so after they went extinct, and dodo birds are
Speaker 3: like giant penguins I mean pigeons. I mean they're related
Speaker 3: to doves and pigeons, and they are like a stocky
Speaker 3: little pigeon that's about three feet tall. And they were
Speaker 3: seen on some of the islands off of Africa, like
Speaker 3: I said, over one hundred years after they went extinct,
Speaker 3: and there is a possibility that there's still may be
Speaker 3: out there. A lot of people feel that every inch
Speaker 3: of the Earth has been explored, but actually there are
Speaker 3: still some remote and quite undiscovered areas. A lot of
Speaker 3: people think about darkest Africa, but some of the newest
Speaker 3: mammals and newest lizards are being found in Ononesia and
Speaker 3: some of Oceania, some of the small islands west of Hawaii.
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