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I'm not gonna lie. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:07.160 You look good. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.560 Everybody talks about your physical appearance and how you lost weight. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.160 But to me, I see somebody that has changed mentally 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.240 and spiritually. I see somebody that's on a healing journey 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.640 because you got to glow about you. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.520 Yeah, thank you. Well that's where it starts. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.360 I think I had to start with, you know, cleaning 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.000 out my mind and my energy and clearing out all 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.160 of the negativity around me. And I feel like I 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.720 released so much I was holding on to and then 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.080 it starts to manifest physically as well. Like that's why 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:39.920 I don't call it a weight loss. I do call 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.959 it a weight release because it started. I got snatched 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.399 here first, and then my body just followed suit. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.280 So I do feel amazing. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.000 I feel like I've always been in a good place 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.760 because I'm always a positive person. But I think that 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:58.880 I was not aware of just like how much toxicity 0:01:58.960 --> 0:01:59.800 has started. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:00.880 To kind of come around in my life. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.640 And I had a really beautiful period of isolation and 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.799 clearing of that energy. And now I just feel like, oh, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.600 I was holding on it so much. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.120 You gotta let go. It's hard for me. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.360 I'm a tourist, so I'll hold I'll hold the fuck on. Yeah, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:21.280 hard headed, stubborn, loyal, you know so. But I'm so 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.079 glad you feel that it's an aura thing. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.440 Yeah, you can definitely tell me, he said. Pilates helped 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:26.160 a lot with it too, right. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.079 I started out with pilates, yeah, because my back was 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.040 hurting and that was the best way to get moving. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.280 But I do a lot of things. I strength train, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:37.440 I do. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.680 Yoga, sculpt I hike, I played pickleball, I got a 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:43.280 water bike. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.760 You know, a little bit you just Pilotates was one 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.360 of the best. I did pilates with my daughter. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.679 Wait, you do PILATEI yeah. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.519 Wanted me to go with because I didn't want to 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:53.880 go at first, but it was you know, you do 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.000 some stuff with your daughter. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:55.840 Yeah, and I did it. 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.920 She's twenty one, twenty three, and she took me to 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.600 do pilates and it was the most amazing thing. All 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.000 my aches, all my pains, he was able to stretch 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.600 it out. It was it was I'm the only guy 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.040 in there, damn. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.399 Which is crazy because Pilates, that's a man. His name 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.360 is Joseph Pilates. A man created it and is designed 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.360 to help you with longevity. So he lived to be 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:16.919 like well, I mean, I think he passed away in 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:18.640 a house fire, but he could have lived to be 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:19.920 like two hundred years old. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.600 Just got changed the music a little bit. Sometimes that 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:24.519 music is just don't. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:32.560 Be funny, stuff that motivates you to keep doing it. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.240 Sometimes need a little I want to hear trap music. 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.760 Some trap pilates is crazy. You better trademark that for 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.080 somebody taking in Atlanta. 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:44.440 One of our friends, Weezy do that fitness we Need 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:46.360 New York that does. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.400 From the Decision of Decisions podcast. 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.000 She has an actual place called trap House Fitiness and 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:51.840 that's what they do. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.440 But is it called trap plates Because I'm a branding girl, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:56.800 I'm a trademarked that this. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.880 Trap house fitness. I don't know that's cool. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:03.120 Well, okay, it's not taken. It's a billion dollar idea. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.720 You've always had a form of self love that people 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:06.960 can see, but I feel like it's just. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.800 More radical now. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.280 Yeah, I think it has to be. I have to 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.800 fight for it a little bit more, but I think 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.920 I always have to fight for it though. Actually I 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.520 just think it's just like, as your life changes and 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:25.039 different things happen to you, you gotta you know, move differently. Yeah, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.000 I think it's just a life thing. Like you can't 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.599 handle every situation in your life the same you get older, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:30.120 you grow up. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.240 Everybody can relate to that. 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.320 I'm glad you said that because people think radical self 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.760 love is a constant state, but no, you gotta fight for. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:36.360 It every day. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.640 I don't love myself every day when I wake up, 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.920 Like some days I do wake up and I'm like, yes, 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.039 But some days I wake up and I don't. And 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.560 it's it's the act of seeking that, you know, love 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.000 for yourself, and you don't actually always have to be love. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.040 It could be like it could be tolerate, you know 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.720 what I mean. I'm just or accepting that I. 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:57.960 Don't like it, and I'm cool with that, but I'm 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.120 gonna get there one day. It's it's not a monolist, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:02.920 you know, it's a process. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.200 At what point in your career did you get to 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.720 this point where like you even like talk about that 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.159 side of it more, Because I feel like when you 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.960 first came out, even when you did talk about like 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.920 stuff that wasn't as positive, you still kept it so positive. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.880 But now that you stream, you really get into like 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.120 how you feel for real, what you're going through, you like, 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.760 and it was a lot more protected when Lizzo first 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:24.440 came on the scene. From what I felt like, the 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.400 brand was protected a little bit more. But now you're 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.719 taking control over a lot more. 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:30.520 I don't know. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.360 I just think people know me a little bit more. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:38.720 So I think I'm able to communicate things and not 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.239 put a bow on it or have a happy ending 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.440 because y'all just know me more. I think when I 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.400 first came out, people didn't know me. So the brand 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.240 is very like one note because it's like, oh, that's 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.120 that girl, that's the happy girl who'll be working with 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.400 the flu, you know. And but that happens to everybody, 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:58.000 Like any artists, you just become like a thing, you're 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.280 not a person. But I think the more we get 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.680 to know artists, and the longer they're in the game, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.359 the brand becomes more multifaceted. And I think mine just 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.120 expanded a little bit more. So I feel more comfortable communicating. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.280 And also I feel safer on stream talking about these 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.039 kinds of things because I know I'm in a room 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.039 with people who get me. Y'all understand me, you know me, 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.640 so I can tell you how the fuck I'm feeling 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.640 or what I went through, and you know, these real 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.880 moments that I have, I can share that, and I 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.440 arge you you were saying that people are kinder there 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.120 as well, like it's a better sense of community on 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.120 Twitch and streaming that that's good. When did you were 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.599 you scared to before? Were you scared to dive into 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:36.279 that part? 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:36.880 You know? 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.360 I always kind of flirted with it because I love 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.640 like running my mouth and I love talking and I 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.920 love talking to my fans. I've always been this person 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.680 like with my social media. So I had a whole 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.480 Twitch set up in my house, just ready to go, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:50.680 and I was like, I was like, I want to 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.760 whole stream is set up now, I want games, all 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.240 of that, the sims, and it was just in my 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.520 house sitting there, and I was kind of intimidated by it. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:06:59.840 I would walk by it every day and be like 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.520 these days, I'm a stream one of these days. And 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:08.200 then I remember my friend Solana. She was like, bitch, 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.120 I'm about to be on kay Sanat like pull up 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.320 with me. And I was literally I was like when 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.080 she was like in two hours, I said, okay, let 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.600 me get myself together and like go pull up with 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.840 my friend, Yes, okay, but my friends Silana, A lot 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.600 of people might not know you're talking ton I know, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.960 you know, but the average person might night. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:28.760 I don't know. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.000 I just like average people might not know that cause 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:36.040 casually talking about I am so sorry the track. So 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.240 Sissa hit me and was like, I'm about to be 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.240 on kay Sanat in like two hours, can you pull 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.280 up with me? And I was like, fucky, I'm gonna 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.480 pull up with you because I'm like, I was so 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.240 afraid because it's like he has like hundreds and hundreds 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.200 of thousands damn near million people watching and commenting in 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.240 real time. Oh god, that's terrifying. So I said, you 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.960 know what, I'm gonna pull up and I'm gonna ride 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.760 with my friend. And I was like, if anybody got 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.480 any thing that coat would say though saying about me, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.560 goddamn it, you know. So I pulled up and I 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.520 had so much fun and I was reading a chat 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:08.720 and they were like yeah. 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.880 W Lizzo, yeah, W Sizza, yeah, littlely. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.280 Motes and shit, and I was like, oh, they're so nice, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.640 and that made me feel comfortable with diving into my 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.640 own channel. I made Lizo be twitching and Kai got 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.440 me like forty thousand subscribers in like two seconds. He 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.120 was like, everybody, go spam Lizzo be twitching right now, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.160 and they all followed it, and I was like, Okay, 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.080 now I have to stream because they just gonna be 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.760 sitting in there, you know, building a cachet. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.679 So that really helps? 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.160 Would you say, absolutely, I have to run my mouth. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:46.080 I'm a life path three, I'm a communicator. So therapy 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.559 was the beginning of that. Like that saved my life, 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.360 being able to talk to somebody once a week and 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.360 just run my mouth and figure out my issues. And 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.959 I feel like when I communicate, when I write music, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.000 when I sing songs, when I go on tour, when 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.000 I talk to people, it is very healing and it's 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:08.080 very connecting. I need to connect to feel good. I 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.840 can't be disconnected. I go actually insane, I learned. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:14.959 You mean you can't be disconnected from people. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.680 Yeah, I can't be disconnected from people. I go insane. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.439 So at a point where you said you had to 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.000 step back and isolate, that was kind of hard for 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.240 you too, since you had to, I mean, I know 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.120 you had to do it, and it all, you know, 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.800 made sense, and it made since in the end, but 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.600 it still was challenging for you because you have to 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.960 be connected to people person It was a little insanity, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.120 but I think in a little period of insanity can 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.840 be helpful because you have to do really hard work. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.680 And I was at a point in my life where 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.800 the Internet hated me and I could not trust the 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:56.800 people around me, like friends, family, co workers, and I 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:01.320 was severely depressed, and so I didn't have anyone to 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:05.320 talk to. And I sat in that and I went crazy. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:09.760 But I spent time with myself, which I think I 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.240 was always afraid to do. I know people who are 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.559 like I just need to be alone. I just need 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.520 to go to the park and be by myself and 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.960 read a book. I'm like, what's not without a buddy, 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:23.240 not without a sweet treat in a conversation. But when 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.560 I finally did it, I was so afraid of feeling lonely, 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.559 and I pushed past that, and it's like, you can 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.640 be alone and not lonely, and you can sit with 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.200 yourself and find out who you are now because you've 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.040 grown up and you didn't check in. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:36.600 You know and. 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.200 Love her or like her, or just know her and 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.320 know what she wants and now I feel like I 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.200 know who I am. I know whose I am and 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.800 can't nobody shake that. Because once I reintroduced myself back 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.800 into connecting with people and friends and trusting the Internet, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.240 and you know, I'm like, I know who I am. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.120 I move with a different kind of confidence. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.640 But why the Internet though, Because I say that, you 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.679 say the Internet hates you, But you can leave your 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.760 house and lizzle. Everybody wanna take a picture, you do 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.280 a show. Everybody gonna come to your show and be 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.439 cheering for you. So why the Internet? You know, is 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.360 people that love you wouldn't be little if people didn't. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.200 I didn't know that. That's the wild part. 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.240 I have a lot of my uh in the beginning, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.400 a lot of my career and my validation was based 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.040 off of social media. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:23.199 Like I was one. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.920 I was a part of that first generation of artists 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.600 who really like galvanize their following on social media because 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.240 that wasn't like an industry standard. 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:32.800 Even people don't. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.520 Even realize it's because we've been microwaved by the Internet. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.880 We don't realize how far we've moved in a very 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.960 short amount of time. Like pre twenty fifteen, this social 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.560 media was not even a conversation in labels. But there 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.920 were people like me and little nas X and people 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.040 like that. We were going online and we were just 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.959 like talking to our fans like direct and galvanizing them 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.280 and building a community. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:56.920 And so all of. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.040 My love because I'm not always on tour, I'm not 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.560 always really a people like I be in the house. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:02.400 I'm kind of boring. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.199 So all of the love and like we love you, 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.000 like you're amazing, like this is good, we fuck with 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.400 you was all from the internet for me, and that 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.240 was fine because I had built my community and I 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.320 felt very safe with that, and then that all kind 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.720 of changed, and I feel like the Lizzo that I 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.800 am has always been truly me, and it was wild 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.559 to see that, Like you reach a point of fame 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.199 where somebody can change that just by saying something about 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:35.720 you that's not true or whatever. Yes, but that's that's fame, 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.840 Like that is the definition of fame is for me 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.440 is people could say things about you that aren't true 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.960 and everyone will believe it, of course, for better or 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:45.719 for worse. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:46.480 You know what I mean. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.000 It's like Lizo got red toilet paper on her ride. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.720 Everyone will believe that. Like that's that's weird, Like that's 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:57.960 just fame shit. So once that all changed, I started 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.720 to I believed that I was loved because the Internet 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.120 told me they loved me. And when the Internet hated me, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.959 I believed that I was hated and I didn't believe 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.520 like so it was really weird. And when I isolated, 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.000 I was really afraid of people. And there was this 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.640 and there was I always say a concert, but it 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.839 was renaissance. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.320 It was like a concert in a park in la 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:21.840 It was. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.400 Renaissance, shout out beat, and I was like, I have 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.720 to go. And I was so afraid to go because 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.160 I just thought people were gonna, I don't know, throw 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.760 tomatoes at me or something. I could get really self 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.240 doubting in my head. But I pushed through and I 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.720 went and I promised you. Like I it was like 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.640 one person. Once one person recognized you, then like other people. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.920 So one person recognized me and they were like litzen 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.439 and I was like, yes, I love you, come here 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:49.719 and they hugged me. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:51.319 And then I got a video of it. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:52.400 You were in the crowd. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.319 I was in the crowd, babe. I'm not in no 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.800 sweet I was not in those sweet are renaissance. I 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:58.120 was where the people are. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.360 Thing. Yes, she was definitely. You were definitely like that. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:03.040 I saw you in. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.400 The mall that day, and it was it was like 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.920 a chain effect. People weren't noticing, but she was kind 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.920 of timid with you. She was like, oh hi, And 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.080 my buddy caught my friend Coy. I was like, he 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.280 was like I just saw this. I was like, I 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.160 want to meet her, and then he was like, I'm 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.000 gonna take you over there, and I was like, oh 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.960 my god, I'm scared to meet you, and you look. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.720 Just as scared. I'm like, I get lizo. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:23.920 Then other people noticed. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.480 Then other people walking past notice, then the little girl 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.680 noticed with her dad, and you got love. But you 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.320 did seem like you were in a place where you 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:31.920 didn't even know how to accept it. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:32.320 Yeah. 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.880 At the mall, yep, I was really uncomfortable because I 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.240 was like, I don't know what people are like thinking 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.040 about me, and that shit fucks me up really bad, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.400 because if somebody's thinking something about me that's not true, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.320 and it's like I can't prove it, I can't, you 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.120 know what I mean, It's just weird. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:51.560 I was like uncomfortable. 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:55.840 So at the concert at Renaissance, people were just showing 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.440 me love and hugging me and being like we got 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.720 your back, like you know, shake that shit off, we 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.480 love you. And I'm getting emotional now even thinking about 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:05.520 I just started crying. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.120 I was crying and I was. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.280 Hugging them, and I was like, you know what, this 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.400 is where real love is. You cannot get this shit 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.360 off the internet. You cannot get this kind of love 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.600 from the internet. It's the only the only kind of 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.360 love you can get it like, this is in real life. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.640 And that I was like, I have to make an 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.080 album about this. And so my album Love and Real 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.440 Life Is started from that experience, and I started to 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:31.040 rediscover what real love feels like, and what real connection 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.720 and real community feels like. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:34.840 And now I know I. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.000 Can still get love on the Internet, but I also 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.680 can curate it, and I can weed out the real 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.520 from the fake. I can differentiate. Now I don't just 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.720 believe everything, you know, I really actually at this point 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.400 don't believe anything I see on the internet. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.560 Seeing so much stuff about yourself. Even before that time, yeah, 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.600 you were like, what that's just not true. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.000 And I'll see things about my friends that's not true, 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.440 and I'll be like what you mean, like with them 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.080 right now, like that's not happening. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.320 But you got to remember, nobody cares about the truth 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:06.320 and the lives more entertaining. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:08.640 As long as you know that, you wouldn't pay. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.840 This sh Also, the mess is more entertaining. They don't. 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:12.600 They don't care about the. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:13.680 For it right. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.960 We reward people who do that, give them thousands of 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.320 dollars for these chats that are fake, and we don't 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:19.840 punish them. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:21.000 There's no penalty. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:22.960 I was gonna say to the red toilet paper will 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.440 be fire. You said that, and that shit been stuck 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:24.800 in my head. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.600 I just think got black toilet paper. I never seen 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:27.000 no red toiler. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:27.920 Red would be fire. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.040 But you can't see nothing. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:31.680 You can't see. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.200 And I'm on my message right now. I don't want 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.680 to take I just made something I don't need that. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.640 I was gonna ask what puts you into that light? 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.720 Like you know, usually you're a pop star, right, and 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:43.960 usually when you meet pop. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.600 Stars period, they come on black girl popstar. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.320 A lot of times that the assholes that stand office 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.640 you don't see them, but we see you so much. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.200 And every time somebody asked me about Lizzo if she's 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:55.400 been to the breakfast club I met. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.160 I was like, she's the nicest, she's cool, she's. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:57.560 Down to earth. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.760 What puts you in that mind frame to say, I 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.560 don't want to be like that. I want to be this. Wait, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.280 because you were at them all by yourself. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.040 You were at the Charlemagne went to the consot last 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:10.520 night asking what he was sweet, but you were out 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:11.760 on the floor like you do. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.159 Hey booze. Wait, okay wait. The first half of that 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.440 question was pop stars are assholes? 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.840 You said A lot of times you see pop stars 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.080 are I don't want to say assholes, but out of 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:25.960 the way, like you can't touch them. They feel like 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.239 they don't want to be next to their people. If 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:29.959 you go back and look at a lot of pop stars, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.560 you don't seem as personable as let's say you would be. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.159 That's interesting. I have a lot of. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:41.160 Sympathy for like, really really famous pop star people because 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.359 a lot of them became famous when they were teenagers. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.000 A lot of them started this when they were like nine, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:54.080 And I can't relate to not to I'm just getting 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.520 it together and I'm a grown ass woman. 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.280 When it happened to me you know what I mean. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.000 So, like that developmental stage where you're getting all of 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:05.520 this like weird love and validation from like strangers, and 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.680 you can get anything you want, and you know, your 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.040 comfort level starts to get real sensitive too, like people 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:14.120 open doors for you. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.639 People you know you have drivers pull up to you. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.600 You don't got to drive. You sixteen year old, don't 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.359 got a license because you've had a driver since you 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:24.000 were thirteen. Like the way you're gonna move through the 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.760 world is a little different than someone like me, who 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.879 you know pretty much all the way up until I 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.119 was twenty nine years old, was working at restaurants, working 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.240 at Raisin canes, like working at the mall, like playing 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.760 shows to like fifty people. One of my first shows 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.560 I ever played with my mom, nobody was there but 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.199 the sound engineer, and I still went the fuck, not 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:49.240 the fuck, but I still went hard even though the 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.280 only person there was the bartender and the sound engineer 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.920 in my mom, like you know I have, I had 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:58.280 of a different experience with the success that I have, 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:02.040 Like I was in I was with the people. I 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.040 would play festivals and then I would jump down off 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.600 the stage and just go to the rest of the 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:11.119 festival with everybody else, you know, So like when fame 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.880 happened to when I became famous, when it happens to you, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.919 you know, it's strange for me because I feel like 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.119 I became famous in twenty twenty, which is weird, Like 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:23.639 after I won the Grammy. I don't think I was 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.560 famous in twenty nineteen. I don't think I was famous 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.159 in twenty eighteen. Yeah, I feel like twenty twenty when 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.920 I want to Grammy and then guess what happened? 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:31.440 I run to Grammy January. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.919 Guess what happened in March twenty twenty, Cause it's. 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.000 Dooe for you though, because I think that's when a 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.080 lot of us needed like that, like just something light 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.080 and yeah, we're doing that all right in the Internet, 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.240 and I think that's what it caught people so much. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:44.920 But maybe that's what put the box there too though. 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:48.360 But at that time, we were all separated from each 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.439 other because there was a global pandemic, not because I 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.040 am famous and I need to be separated from everyone. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.679 So by the time we was able to be back outside, 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:00.080 I still have my twenty eighteen twenty nineteen mentality. I 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:01.520 want to be where the people are. I want to 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.200 connect with everybody, like I don't want to be put 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.520 on no pedestal. So I think that's the difference. I 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.920 don't think it's a choice being like other pop stars 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.960 are allegedly assholes allegedly, and I don't want to be that. 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.800 It's just like, this is just who I am, and 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.439 I think everybody should just like be yourself, you know. 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:19.800 Like I'm not going to change who I am just 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:20.520 because I'm famous. 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.800 Now, that's because when did you first realize that confidence 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.080 and healing weren't the same thing. 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.520 Damn, listen, you'll be with every day? 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:36.960 Why everybody were talking about fueh he want to be 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:37.560 all serious? 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.920 Let me think that's a really deep confidence in healing. Well, 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:47.840 they're not, first off, just by definition, because I think 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.399 people can fake confidence. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:51.920 You can't fake healing. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:57.040 Can't be fake healed, like, oh, you know you gotta 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:58.760 cut and it's like, yeah, I'm faking it. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.399 You know that's a band aid. You're not really healed yet. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:02.000 You know. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.120 With confidence, there are a lot of people who walk 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.600 around and they can pretend to be confident. And actually, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.480 I think that's what confidence's intention is, is to be 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.479 used a little artificially, the fake it till you make it, 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.119 and then eventually you get there. Because my confidence, you know, 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.000 I had to force it and fake it for a 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:24.600 long time because I didn't grow up in a world 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:29.560 where they were like, you're beautiful and your body is beautiful, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.239 and we like you, we like your personality. Yeah, you 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.360 watch anime and listen to rock music, we accept you. 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.240 No, Like I was very like. 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.280 Other and I think that I had to be like, no, 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.880 you are good enough, you are worthy of love. Your 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.639 body is beautiful, even when I didn't believe it. And 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.480 I think that that eventually, if you say something enough, 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.720 it can come true. You can manifest it, you can 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.200 create your reality. And I think I got there by 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.520 faking it. But healing, I think, is a little bit 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:08.520 uglier than confidence, and I think I'm still learning that. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:13.439 I don't think there's like a singular moment, but I think, man, 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.560 it's funny because you look back and you're like, all 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.399 these years of like telling myself, I love myself and 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.159 I'm beautiful, and can't nobody tell me about me? Da 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:26.240 da dada da, And then people can and you realize, oh, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:27.600 all this shit wasn't even real. 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:28.879 I was just telling myself this. 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.639 I was faking the funk because if I really believed 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.439 that y'all wouldn't be able to take this from me, 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:36.600 y'all wouldn't be able to shake me. And then being 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.480 like walking through the world now and being like, man, 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.240 this person just says something crazy to me. 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:45.600 People be talking to me crazy. I'm so nice, and I'll. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:47.640 Be like, okay, cause I'm like, you know, I don't 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:51.600 need your validation, but okay, but now people talk crazy 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.800 to me, and I'll be like, hmm, but you know what, 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.320 it's not even real. You're in pain, You're hurting for 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.679 you to say something to me like this. What did 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.160 I bring out in you? Did I make you feel 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:05.480 a little insecure for a second? 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:09.760 Boo boo ah? I'm sorry, and I hope that I 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:10.760 hope it gets better for you. 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:12.520 But you give a lot of people grace though, Like 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.119 I've seen people have made it, cracked a joke or 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.200 said something, and then I'll see you do an interview 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.159 a couple of years later and you give them the grace. 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:21.560 Why do you feel like it's the right thing to 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:23.040 give grace instead of just give the middle finger a 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:23.879 single fuck yourself? 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.120 Because people are as kind to others as they are 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:31.960 to themselves. And if somebody is throwing hatred or or 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:36.439 saying something mean, just mean spirited about somebody just for 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.720 the sake of doing it. I can't imagine how you 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:41.400 talk to yourself. I can't imagine how you think about 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.000 yourself and treat yourself when no one's watching. And for 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:48.680 that I've already won, So I don't need to win 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:52.200 in real life and sit up and talk bad about nobody. 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.520 I don't have anything bad to say about nobody. And 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:59.000 I've been dogged, I've been dog walked bad, and I 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.639 don't have any to say. I have nothing bad to 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:06.120 say because because I love the person I've become through 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.640 it all, and I think that's the real prize, that's 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:09.600 the real reward. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:11.840 What did you well? First? 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:14.120 On that note, does it get on your nerves though 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.880 that sometimes every single thing you do people still relate 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:18.800 it to like wanting to talk about you in certain ways, 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:20.760 like you were at the met Gala the outfit went off. 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:23.080 Every headline, though, is about your weight loss and not 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:24.720 about how good you looked. And I think that that's 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.680 unfair And it happens a lot with you, does that 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.480 get annoying to you where it's like I can't move 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:31.280 around that, like people always want to talk about me. 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:33.240 Well, I signed up for it. 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:39.360 I knew when you know, back in twenty fourteen and 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.840 big girls weren't wearing leotars on stage, and I said, 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.040 I'm about to put me on one of these Beyonce dance leotars, 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.359 and I'm about to have big girls behind me wearing 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.880 them too, because I knew that my body would be 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:56.959 the focus of that conversation. And it was something that 0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.359 because it was unavoidable, I either I could hide and 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.840 run from it, and people are gonna. 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.359 Do it anyway. You know. It's like the big girl 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:05.760 wearing your arms out theory. 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.080 It's like we know your arms big, whether you you know, 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.000 cover it up or not, we know your arms big, 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.880 So either enjoy the outfit and wear your arms out 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:19.040 or cover your arms up, but we know what it is. 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:20.920 So for me, it was just like I'm just gonna 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.600 run head first into it. What I didn't know is 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.320 that it would never go away. No matter how much 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:32.080 my body changes, It's never gonna go away. But I 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:34.600 think that I have to just like accept that and 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:37.119 I'm actually cool with it. It doesn't annoy me because 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.560 I look good, you know, and even when I was bigger, 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:41.480 I looked good. 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:43.240 So it's like, say what you want. 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:46.200 But there was always someone in the comments being like, yeah, 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:49.520 but she's still beautiful and she looks soft and face 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:50.520 Card never declines. 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.919 What about the time because I was reporting when all 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.840 the lawsuit stuff happened, and you didn't say anything for 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:00.440 a long time, like not at all, which those people 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.520 come out and say stuff. I was wondering the day 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:06.119 that it was dropped, how did you feel? What was 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.200 your thought process around that? Because you were in isolation 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:09.040 at that point, right. 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.040 I was in Japan, Yeah, on a dream trip. 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:13.760 A brough of fresh air or did you feel like 0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:16.320 but the conversation is still there and it is hard. 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:22.560 Oh, it's very hard because I was confused. I was 0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:26.879 confused and I was a little like hurt. But I 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.480 was in Japan with it was my first time ever 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:33.200 being in Japan. I was with my best friend and 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.840 her kids and we. 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.639 Were at Hello Kitty World, and I'm like crying in 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:42.280 the car, but I'm like, Okay, wipe your tears and 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.320 go in there and have fun with the babies because 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:45.960 we had Hello Kitty World, and you only do this 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.840 once with these kids who've never been to Japan and. 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:49.480 That's their dream. 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.080 So I did a lot of balance in between that. 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.440 But I'll tell you one thing about Tokyo. They don't 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:56.560 give it fuck. 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:59.560 What's going on in your personal life and Tokyo they're 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.040 like a picture. 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:03.639 I'm like, okay, Like I had a great time, like 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.480 nobody's nosy in Japan, and I think being there was 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:12.879 God for sure, because though I was dealing with a 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:18.600 lot of inner turmoil and hurt, honestly in shock and confusion, 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:22.320 I was in this place that didn't reflect that or 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.639 throw that back at me. I had my first panic 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.200 attack when I came back to la for the first 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.480 time after everything the lawsuit had dropped and I was 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.840 in Japan for like a month and I landed in America. 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:36.919 I had a panic attack in the car because as 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.200 I was walking through the airport, I was like, everybody 0:27:39.240 --> 0:27:41.840 hates me, everybody's you know. I got in my head 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.879 and I got in a car and I like I 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:45.240 had this. 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:47.680 Like yeah, I had this like pressure on my chest. 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.760 Mind you, I've had anxiety attacks that feels different than 0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:51.560 a panic attack. 0:27:51.640 --> 0:27:53.760 I had pressure on my chest. I said, something's really wrong. 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.280 I couldn't use my limbs or my body, and I 0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:59.239 was like I literally crawled to my bed and just 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.600 like broke down. I was like, what's happening to me? 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.240 And I talked to my doctor and was like, hey, 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:04.119 you got a panic attack? 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:05.920 Yeah? 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:11.200 And I think America, everybody want to know everybody's business here, 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:17.600 so I it's this weird almost like invisible. I'm not 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.359 a victim, so I don't want to say attack, but 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.960 it was like, you know, this pressure or this like 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.920 I don't know, it's like implied energy in America where 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.359 I'm like, oh I need to hide versus Japan, I 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.360 could be a Hello Kiddy world and everyone's like. 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:40.520 Right you were when somebody lies. 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:45.560 Yeah, that when you started thinking people hated you. Because 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.960 I wondered, do you remember what the industry felt like? 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.480 What what social media even felt like? Before that lossuit, it. 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:52.640 Felt very like. 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.880 Silly and lighthearted, and I had like a lot of 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:00.239 freedom to just scroll and I see nothing about me. 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.320 And then I was on and I would scroll and 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:07.479 every like three scrolls it was, and I was like, oh, 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.000 we'd be like Liza, if I just see two z's, 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.640 my heart start raising. My scroll been pizza, but I 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.840 was like wow, and I just kept scrolling, So it 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:18.160 felt it felt. 0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:18.840 A little bit more hostile. 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.720 But I'll say in general, I think the internet has 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.040 gotten more hostile for everybody, every like out of nowhere, 0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:28.000 Like it used to be so fun and lighthearted, and 0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:32.400 now everybody is beefing and quarreling and dropping tea and 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.440 I'm just like, WHOA, when did this happen? But that's 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.360 when it happened for me, Like I was like, oh, 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.920 I have to get off. And so from I would 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:48.040 say October twenty twenty three to maybe even like April 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.920 twenty twenty four, I wasn't on my phone at all. 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:52.000 I threw my phone. 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:55.200 Away, Like I had my team post things for me 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:57.160 because I had to post about yiddie and I had 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.200 to post about, you know, little things I wanted to 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.200 share with people. I didn't want to completely disappear because 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.720 that's not who I am. But my team posted it 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:06.440 for me and I did not scroll. I did not 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:11.719 look at the internet because I was too sensitive. And 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:13.400 I think I don't think I could have handled it. 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:19.120 And I'll also say this in reference to the lawsuit, 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.040 I would say, in light of all of the other 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:26.480 like high profile lawsuits that have been coming out comparatively 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:29.360 the allegations against me, I think, now we see we're 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.920 just like kind of ridiculous. You know, I cracked my 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.960 knuckles in the script club to me and mind. 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:37.280 You, it was going to the strip club. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.640 It doesn't say that I did anything like I didn't 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.360 do anything to anyone in that strip just went to 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.000 the strip club. And then like being fat phobic for 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.960 firing someone for gaining weight, that just wasn't true. 0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:56.680 It wasn't true, but just larious, right, But that's why 0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:57.600 nobody believed. 0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.760 It's like right, But but I also have to say, 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.720 like one of my fears is I don't want my 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:08.120 situation and my lawsuit to be an indicator on any 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.040 other that's going on. I don't want it to invalidate 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.560 any other actual because I will always stand for real 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.800 victims of sexual harassment and sexual violence and anything, and 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.000 I will always stand for them and ride for them. 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.320 So I don't want what happened to me to kind 0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.520 of invalidate anything else going on in the world. And 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.200 that was really important to me, which is why I 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.320 was quiet for a long time, because I still want 0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:30.640 to protect victims side. 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:31.720 Does that not change you? 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:32.000 Right? 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:33.240 How does that not change. 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.120 Liz as a person? I did though, because now do 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.320 you still go out with people? Do you still feel 0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:37.880 as free? 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:38.160 Do you? 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:39.520 Are you still the listeners? 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:39.680 Oh? 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.280 Baby? No? Baby? Yeah? 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.760 Because it changes you as a person. And is that 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:47.480 a good thing of bad? 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:52.440 I think it's an amazing thing. I am. You know what, 0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:53.960 God really loves me. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:57.440 I have to say that, and I feel like everything 0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.800 that happens to me is God, and God is preparing 0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.160 me for something that I don't even know about. But 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.880 I feel like I readied myself now as I feel 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.160 like a boss, like I feel like a better boss, 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.640 I feel like a better friend. I feel like I 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:16.760 know how to run a big operation, you know, because 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:19.880 mind you back to the pandemic thing. I blew up 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.760 in twenty twenty. In twenty nineteen, I had maybe four 0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.960 crew members. I had one roadie, I had a tour 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.760 manager and two dancers. And then the world shut down 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:31.360 in twenty twenty and I blew up and I did 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.520 my first arena tour after being in isolation for two years. 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.480 And I'm suddenly standing in a room with seventy eighty 0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:40.200 people that I'm like, I don't I want to know 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:41.120 everybody's names. 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:41.840 That works for me. 0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.320 And it was really weird, and I got a crash 0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.760 course and being an arena level artist, a big artist, 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.680 like after literally being an indie artist for ten years 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.360 and being in isolation for two years. So by the 0:32:55.400 --> 0:33:00.160 time I was running arena level operation, I didn't have 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.640 no practice in that, I didn't have no experiences, and 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.960 I learned the hard way how to be a boss. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.400 But I'm gonna be a better boss for it. And 0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.200 I'm really proud of myself. Yeah, if you're on my payroll, 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:13.640 we're not going to the bar. 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.520 We're not gonna have drinks together. You know what I'm 0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.960 saying breakfast. But I got friends for that. I got 0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:21.760 friends for that. 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:29.719 Okay, I got two friends, my best friend Alexo Derilo 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:33.320 from Ace Town. Shout out Houston, Texas and shout out Chante. 0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:35.200 I knew what So what do you how do you 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.200 decide like what's for the stage or what's for the public, 0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:39.240 and what's secret. 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:44.520 Now hm hmm, there's a lot that's sacred. You know, 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:47.880 my my my parameter for what's for the world. If 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:52.640 you really love something, keep that shit a secret. If 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.280 you really love something, keep it a secret. If so, 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.960 there are things that I protect now that you know. Before, 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:02.960 I didn't think it of it as protection. I thought 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:05.680 of it as like, oh my gosh, like I'm keeping 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.600 something from my fans, I'm keeping something from the public, 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.440 Like I want you guys to see this, like you 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.960 should see this. Like I literally like the. 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:18.319 Term hard launched. That was me, you know, because I 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.640 was like, gosh, like love, like I want y'all to 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:22.000 see this. This is so beautiful. 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:28.160 And then the world got two seconds of my relationship 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.000 and I was like, oh yeah, y'all know how to act. 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.719 I literally just I was looking to see I'm like, 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.440 she ain't posted him in a minute. 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.799 Y'all know how to act. You lost your privileges? 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.279 Yeah, so all, yeah, all that cute ship, all that 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.560 black love back in the vaults. 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.160 I mean, maybe I only saw the positive stuff because 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:50.440 I thought I saw a lot of people that I 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:51.239 was happy for you. 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:54.080 Yeah. 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.320 Yeah, but it was that bad. 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.759 Because I was literally on my Instagram looking I'm like, 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.920 you know what minute people people. 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:01.760 Were really positive. 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:06.080 This isn't about like people, I do think that, you know, 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:10.600 I don't want to give nobody an opportunity to destroy 0:35:11.680 --> 0:35:15.440 something good. And I found that it wasn't really necessarily 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:19.480 about my relationship that people did that. It was other things, 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.799 my other relationships where that happened, And I was like, 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.880 I don't even want to give you the opportunity, no shade, like, 0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:29.280 no disrespect. I love everybody, thank you for being so cool, 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:34.240 but due to new management. But in my personal life, 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.880 I have to I have to protect this because I 0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:39.640 saw so much get destroyed by lies and I didn't 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:41.520 want that to happen to my relationships. 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:45.080 So it's very protected. Yeah, nobody acted up. 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:46.640 I don't want this clip to go out and people 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.520 being like, well, we didn't even say nothing wrong, Like, 0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:50.719 because I know how the internet can be, they'll take 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.000 seven seconds and think that I'm saying something else. 0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.120 But it was more so out of it was preemptive, 0:35:57.600 --> 0:35:58.239 you know what I mean. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.359 But I've then you said it right something youself. 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.719 Yeah, it's that's simple. Yeah. Do you have any tear 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:08.120 jerkers on love in real life? We do. 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.960 There's one song in particular that niggas had to leave 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:14.000 a room. 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:20.399 It ran out. I said, I'm sorry. I had like, oh, 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.640 I'm gonna get sad even though it's not. I mean, 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:29.320 sometimes I feel that I wrote it. I lost my dog. 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.759 I lost my dog and she was twenty years old. 0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:38.120 Can you see she left the malties Yeah, And I 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.600 lost her like in the thick of it December twenty 0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.239 twenty three, when I was like at my most depressed 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.319 and then she left and I was like, mind you 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.440 twenty years Like she like a grandma to me, you know, 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.399 And that really broke me down. 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.279 And I wrote a song about it. But it wasn't 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.520 just about Hookah. She said. I sampled her voice on 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.680 the song, but it was a lost in general. 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:01.840 You know. 0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:05.080 I lost my father very young, and so it was 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.319 a song about grief and death. And I was like, 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.840 don't put this on your album. Like I'm the happy girl, 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:14.680 I'm the positive spin and you know, I was like, 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:16.759 you know what, I owe it to myself, not just 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.799 to my fans or to myself to put a song 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:20.800 like this on my album. 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.640 And so there is a moment in there. 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.680 It's called Phone to Heaven, and so that's a little 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:32.760 tear jerker, and there are some really raw emotional songs 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.080 on there, like I got a song called like a Crime, 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.719 and I think that you can decide what that song 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.120 is about when you listen to it. I'm really excited 0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.240 for this album because I feel like as an artist, 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.960 everybody got into my singles, but they never got into 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.000 my albums. And my albums are so good, yeah, and 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.680 they're so well thought out, and I really want the 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:55.600 album to shine this time and not just oh my God, 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.359 a number one hit about Damn Time, because it's like, 0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.399 my album don't sound like special, doesn't sound like about 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.080 damn Time, and because I Love You didn't sound like 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.319 truth hurts, you know what I mean. There were so 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.279 many other songs that show off like and these songs did. 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.319 They show off my musical ability, but like I had, 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.400 I have such an amazing. 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.359 Catalog I'm so proud of. 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.560 So this time I want people to get into the album, 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.480 which is why I've been I've gone a little rogue, 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.000 you know, opposite of what the label once for me, 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:30.200 where I'm I'm service in music. I just dropped the 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:34.400 demo to U Steal Bad today. Actually, wow, look at 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:38.360 that timing. I dropped the demo to Steal Bad because 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.880 I like the demo more than the finished song. And 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.360 there's a there's an A and R process with music 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.080 that people might not be privy to, but you write 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:50.759 a song in a studio, the A and R comes 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:55.920 through and they go, okay, fix this, write this, rewrite this, 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.440 bridge the production needs to be more like this, and 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:00.480 you're like okay, and you sit in with the producer 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.000 and you work on it. And I've done that process, 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.960 Like About Damn Time took like seven months and there 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:10.160 were like a thousand versions. So it's still bad. We 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:13.399 did the same thing and by the time we were done, 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.840 was still bad. And this is this is this is 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.080 really how I feel, and I'm sorry to Atlantic Records. 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:22.240 But by the time I was done with Still Bad, 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.200 I was like, this is just another about Damn Time. 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.160 And I looked at Ricky Reid and I was like, 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.160 be real with me. I was like, does this sound 0:39:30.200 --> 0:39:33.200 like About Damn Time? And he was like no, no, 0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.360 and I'm like yeah, from a sonic level, it's different 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.799 instruments that take the lead. It's a different bpm, it's 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:42.080 a different key, it has it's more indie sleeves. And 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.200 I was like, I'm a trust y'all on this. I 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:47.879 started doing press and interviews for it, and everybody said, yeah, 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.640 it's like disco funk, It's like a disco funk, and 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.799 I'm like, no, it's not a disco funk song. Like 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.720 About Damn Time was disco funk. This is inde sleeves. 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:58.360 But people don't fucking know that. 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:01.120 They don't know the difference. Music is about feeling. Not 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:05.120 everybody a music major had studied the theory behind no. 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.120 They just want to feel it. And it felt like 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.320 About Damn Time. And I should have followed my gut. 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.919 But because for me, this album is rock and roll, 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.439 and the demo version of Steel Bad that I put out. 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.239 Is very rock and roll. No shade to the other 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:21.879 still bad. 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.120 I'm gonna let people decide which one they like more, 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:25.400 because they both my babies. 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:26.239 One is just cuter. 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.319 People who listen to your music they know why you successful, right, 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.359 But then you have some people who feel like you 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.200 were only successful because at the time. 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:36.240 People were checking off boxes. 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.759 You're the black woman, you big, you know, diversity, all 0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:40.480 of that type of stuff. 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:41.400 What do you say to those people? 0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:44.799 I would say that I created that lane. I don't 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:48.719 think people were looking for diversity. I was undeniable, and 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.839 that that created the trend of checking boxes. I don't 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:57.120 disagree that at a certain point we started checking boxes. 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.040 When it comes to checking a box of black, fat woman, 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:03.919 I'm a ride for that every time. 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:04.560 I don't care. 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:08.239 I'm rooting for everyone black, and I'm rooting for everyone fat, 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:08.880 black and woman. 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.040 I don't care. You don't have to if you're. 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:12.480 Not the most talented person in the world and you 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:16.279 got pushed through yay, because it happens to other people. 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:17.799 All the time who don't look like that, and we 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:25.520 deserve it. Mm hmm. I am big. We talk about baby, 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.839 I'm big. I'm not the. 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:41.279 Biggest, so now, okay, I'm in a room full of 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:41.960 people I trust. 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:46.440 Right the internet is like Liz O skinny now I am. 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:49.400 I am well over two hundred pounds, you know what 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.120 I'm saying. I'm five ft nine. 0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:53.520 In a different direction. 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.839 I got double numbered pants on right now. But you're 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:57.640 trying to be. 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.640 No, okay, yeah, because I think you look amazing. I 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.719 think are you saying that you're bigger than what an 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:08.680 industry standard is because you're not. You are bigger than 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:10.880 what some people will determine the industry thing. But that 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.040 standard is like going, it's twenty twenty five people. I 0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:15.279 don't even think that's next to any pop star right now, 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:16.680 Like I'm still bigger than them. 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:17.719 Do you know what I mean? 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.520 You actually look normal compared to them. I'm just saying, oh, 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:24.360 I hear you. Yeah, you look normal compared to it. 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:25.160 But they look like. 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:28.600 Yeah, and that's what I mean, Like twenty twenty five 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:30.560 people want to see people that look like them and 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:32.680 that Yeah. But is it because a lot of my 0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:34.560 friends that I that I talk to that are on 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:36.839 weight loss journeys, they have like a body dysmorphia thing 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:37.680 where they're never in a. 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:38.680 Good place with themselves. 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.200 Did you experience that or do you deal with that sometimes? 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:41.560 Yes? 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:46.919 I actually didn't realize how much my body changed until 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.120 I was filming the Love and Real Life music video. 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:51.960 I was in shock. 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:56.000 It shocked me because the way that I'm releasing Weight 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:59.160 has been a long, slow process, Like people maybe not 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:01.640 have seen me or been keeping up with me, but 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.400 I've been posting about it and I'm in a calorie deficit. 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.640 So that's the one that sneaks up on you. 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.640 If you're in a deficit, for so long it eventually 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:12.080 you're just you're just shedding like half a pound a week, 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.880 you know, And then you look up and if it's. 0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.480 Been fifty two weeks, that adds up. 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.279 So when I was filming Love in real life and 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:22.480 they put the outfit on me and I seen the 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.560 number size on the pants, I said, wait a minute, 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.799 hold on, Like, there's not a two in front of it. 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.000 That's supposed to be a two right there. Why is 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:32.680 that a one? 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:37.719 I was like, Okay, something has happened. You've crossed the threshold. 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.200 Your body has done the thing. So now it's about 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.359 controlling that and making sure that it doesn't get out 0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:48.080 of control. Because my mind will keep going even though 0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:49.640 my body is like, hey, we're good. 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:50.680 You know what I mean? 0:43:50.760 --> 0:43:55.319 Because when I look in the mirror, I still see 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:58.520 me in twenty twenty three, I still see me at 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:02.440 a heavier weight. Thank God, I love myself because that's fine. 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.640 I think that people who really experienced the body dysmorphia 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.920 the most, they didn't like themselves at that size, and 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:10.880 when they look in the mirror and they see that person, 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.480 it's they get upset and it's not enough, and that's hard. 0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.520 But those people with the opposite that they missed that 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:19.719 weight because they were that weight for so long. Yeah, 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.080 and it feels like that's not them anymore, like they 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:23.000 miss that. 0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:27.360 Person and that I experienced that too. I'll say this. 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:30.759 Only my big girls who have released some weight are 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:31.680 gonna understand this. 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:35.440 How do I say this? 0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:42.319 I felt, I say this is what I was lot 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:42.800 of crazy. 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:43.560 Oh, here we go. 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.080 When I was bigger, I felt skinny. I felt skinnier 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:47.640 than I do now. 0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.239 When I was bigger. I'm not gonna hold you. 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.440 When I was in my string bikini and I was 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.880 at my heaviest weight, I was like, skinny, bitch. And 0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.719 that's when I realized, like, thin is a feeling. It's 0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.960 not a look, and so is fat. Fat is a 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.480 feeling Like you've ever been around somebody thin and she's like. 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:09.600 Ah, so fat, I feel so fat today Because it's 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.520 a feeling. It's not real, you know what I mean. 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.000 Like society tries to tell you that it's real, and 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.200 the scale tries to tell you, but it's really how 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:21.120 you feel on the inside. So I felt skinnier then 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:22.319 than I do now. 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:23.560 Maybe I'm told. 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.640 Because I get what you're saying, But if pounds, that's 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:29.640 more than just right. 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.200 No, and let's be real, yes, like there is like 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:35.759 a science behind it, like you know, there is an 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:36.640 aesthetic to it. 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:38.520 But I also think that. 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:42.440 It We've seen where Jessica Simpson had on mom jeans 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.040 in two thousand and five and they were calling her 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:49.359 fat and she wasn't. So it gets misinterpreted in misconstrued 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:53.680 all the time. There are objective truths. You know, there 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.160 are people who are bigger, and I think that's and yeah, 0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.040 we fat. I like calling myself fat. 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.160 I think it's a race component too, though, because if 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.399 Justice Simpson was black back then you'd be like, she thick. 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:07.600 You know, you're absolutely right. But that's a whole other conversation. 0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:10.960 That's a ted talk we can get into. We can 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.440 get into that. I do want to racialization of beauty 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:14.000 standards and. 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:14.800 How it was racist. 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:15.880 Let's talk about it. 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:17.600 Wait, what was your question gonna be? 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:17.759 Though? 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:19.399 Well, I was going to ask you, you know, what 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.640 parts of your identity did the industry try to monetize 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.240 or there I say, even exploit before you even understood 0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:27.120 it yourself. 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.439 Yeah, I didn't know, because you know, I was being 0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:36.400 myself and the industry is exploitative. That's that's its job. 0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:41.240 Its job is to because I think it's an industry. 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:42.400 There's car industries. 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:46.400 They're you know, getting a product out there, and they'll 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.480 exploit the workers to do that, you know what I mean. 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:51.560 So for me, I don't look at it as a 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:53.640 negative thing. I know that word is so crazy, but 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:57.480 it's like I was being sold. I was being packaged, 0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.400 marketed and sold for being my self and that was 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.200 a weird that was a strange thing. I can't imagine 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:09.200 people who have to fake their brand because that would 0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:12.719 drive me insane. I would be like, yo, dude, I 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.319 don't want to do this shit. No mo, I don't 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:15.960 want to be happy. I don't want to play the flute. 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:17.919 I don't want to be fat, you know what I mean. 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:25.600 But you said, when did I realize it? Damn? I 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:27.040 think maybe even now. 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.480 I think when I'm starting to release weight, that's when 0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:33.799 I realized it, because I remember I was. I was 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.359 talking to my trainer at the time and I was like, yeah, 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:40.840 I want to just like intentionally, like let go some weight, 0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:42.000 like a little bit smaller. 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:42.879 Da da da da da. 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:45.719 And he was like, oh, I'm about to fuck up 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.800 your brand? And I was like wait what. I was 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:50.920 like what does that mean? And I had to think 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.480 about that for a while, like and then and that 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:57.160 was when I was heavier and you know, X amount 0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:02.520 of pounds down. Later I saw the backlash. People were upset, 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:06.400 and I was like, wait, what's happening? And that was 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:11.240 what he was talking about, and two things are happening. 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:16.880 The industry packaged and sold me and my fatness and 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:20.160 my joy and all of that and marketed it to people. 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:24.719 People saw themselves in that, but they also were just 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:25.959 like I don't know. 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:27.040 How do I say this? 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:31.400 And being very respectful to my fans, because when it changed, 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:36.800 it was like you aren't that person, You're you're a liar. 0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:38.040 You know, you lie? 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.719 That wasn't real. I was sold, wasn't real. It's like 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.640 I got the I got the package, I got the product, 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:48.359 and then it was like always always works, and then 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:49.200 it stopped working. 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:52.799 If you were so proud of it, why would you right? 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:56.399 And how do I say this? 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:57.960 But there are all kinds of issues, like you know, 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.759 like health issues, yeah, like that can I'm along with 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.920 obesity and things like being fat, and it's like why 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:07.600 can't I want to, you know, why can't I do 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.880 this for y'all bring more awareness to that part of it, 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:11.800 and then we'd go on this journey together. 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:14.160 Y'all, my fans, y'all. You know, I'll say the only 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:15.879 way I was able to. 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:20.640 Do what I've done and changed my body was because 0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:25.320 I loved myself. I've never done anything healthy or positive 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:30.600 to myself out of hatred. I've been smaller than this before, 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:35.400 and I was starving myself. I wasn't eating, and I 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.480 was the most unhappy in my entire life, and I 0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:42.880 hated myself the most at my smallest, So you know 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.239 what I mean. Like, I've also been heavier, and I've 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.000 hated some of that too, and I've also loved some 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.399 of that. It's just like it's just not one thing. 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.960 There's like so much nuance, and it's like, I'm a 0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.080 human being, you know what I mean, And I'm living 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:58.840 in this body. You don't have to live in my 0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:00.239 body for the rest of your life. I have to 0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.359 live in yours. And people, I'll tell you one thing 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.960 about me, I'm always on the right side of history. 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:12.200 People gonna look back and understand because what I'm doing now, Gosh, 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.480 people gonna think I'm full of myself. But what I'm 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:18.239 doing now is fucking revolutionary, and it's pushing body positive 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:22.000 positivity forward, not because I've gotten smaller, but the way 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:25.000 that I'm talking about my body changing. Because what people 0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.960 don't realize is in twenty nineteen, when I was talking 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:31.920 about body positivity over twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, I 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:35.319 had gain fifty pounds and I was talking about that 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:38.000 experience and talking about body positivity and how I loved 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:41.000 myself through it all. And now when I'm on the 0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:44.080 other end of that, I'm not changing my tune. And 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.360 I think that would be fraudulent if I all of 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:48.600 a sudden changed my tune and. 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:50.800 Said, ah fuck that. Yeah, I hated it, Haha. I 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:52.400 hate it being being gotcha. 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.520 You got bamboodle, bitch, run me like no, Like, I'm 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:58.279 going to be me through this entire process. And when 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.440 people look back on this, they'll be like, yeah, yeah, 0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:02.080 she was right. 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:04.319 That's why I started the interview off talking about your 0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:05.879 mental health, and that's why I asked you the question 0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.279 about confidence and healing, because you know, people can talk 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.520 all about the physical. The revolutionary thing about it to 0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.040 me is what you have done spiritually and mentally. 0:51:14.400 --> 0:51:17.879 Yes, yeah, And it's a lot of work. And it's 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:18.439 a lot of work. 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.360 And that's why I can say I am the best 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:22.960 version of myself right now. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.080 You know, there's people. 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:29.840 Like I said, like I said, I when I was 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:33.040 younger and I had like very disordered eating and I 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.120 was like really depressed and I was like really hard 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.839 on my body. I was very small. There's people who 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:39.839 look back at old pictures of that time in their 0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:42.200 life when they were small and like, oh god, I 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:43.280 want to look like that again. 0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:45.000 Oh that was it, honey. 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:46.960 If I could just go back to when I was nineteen, 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.080 I don't want to go back to her. That might 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.759 have been the worst version of myself sleeping in my 0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:57.520 car and you know, going through it and running into 0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:03.520 violent and dangerous situations. No, and not eating that that's 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.959 what Liz will be eating because you aren't. 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:09.439 Baby. 0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:12.680 No, there's nothing cute about hurting yourself. There's nothing cute 0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:15.359 about harming yourself. There's nothing cute about starving yourself. Like 0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:19.840 and and now it's like, I am the best version 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.520 of myself, not because of how I look, even though 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.400 I may be heavier than I was and small, you know, 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.040 or heavy? What am I trying to say. I'm heavier 0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:29.400 than I was when I was at my smallest, and 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:30.880 I'm smaller than I was and when I was at 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:35.719 my heaviest. But because I'm here, this is, this is, 0:52:35.880 --> 0:52:37.680 this is what makes me the best version of myself. 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.400 And no matter how my body changes, I get pregnant, 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.319 I have a baby, my body gonna get bigger, my 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:43.520 body could get smaller. 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:47.480 Who knows. This is what's together? This is you know 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.080 what I mean? And this is the most important part. 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:50.760 And that's the part that I hope to my younger 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:52.959 fans and so people who follow me that they don't 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:56.080 just see my body changing and me being happy. I 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:59.000 hope they feel that it was mental work and it 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:02.000 was emotional work, and no matter how my body changes, 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.920 this is gonna be the most important thing to me. 0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:07.759 Do you have real joy? No, because it feels like 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:12.719 you were being joyful as a form of protests or 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:13.800 maybe a survival tactic. 0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:18.000 Maybe. Yeah. 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:24.279 I think that black joy in any form is resistance 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:27.680 in this society, and I think it's radical in this society. 0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:29.960 I think seeing it from someone who looks like me 0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:35.279 is even more radical. And because of that, y'all don't 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.279 see me ninety eight percent of the time like y'all 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.439 see me two percent of the time. And why would 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:43.680 I be miserable when I'm doing what I love? When 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.399 y'all see me, I'm doing what I love. I'm either 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:50.000 on stage, I'm shooting a music video, I'm doing an interview. 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:52.920 I'm actually genuinely happy to be here, like I like 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:55.960 talking to y'all, you know. But then there's like a 0:53:56.040 --> 0:54:00.880 whole other ninety eight percent where I may be in 0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:04.160 a bad mood, or I may be you know, over it, 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.760 or you know, my stomach hurt, you know what I'm saying, 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:10.040 Like damn, Like I'm a human being, but that part 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:14.120 isn't shown to the world. But I do believe that 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:19.560 my joy is still a form of resistance, especially especially 0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:20.960 right now, you know what I mean? 0:54:21.040 --> 0:54:23.799 Where I mean always, we're in a system that doesn't 0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:26.080 want to see us joyful, you know what I mean? 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.640 They police our joys so much, and I think that 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:31.359 my mission. I think everybody has different missions, you know, 0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:35.160 to help us, But right now, my mission is how 0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:39.080 do I help people find a community that brings them joy? 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.160 Because that's powerful. 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.120 I want to go back to the conversation that we 0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:45.160 almost got into about the black beauty standard and the 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:47.200 difference with you being in the space that you're in. 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.120 I remember it was a long time ago, Jillian Michaels. 0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:53.040 She came out and said something that the weight loss lady, 0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:56.400 and people defended you so gravely because they felt like 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:58.640 she wouldn't have said certain things if you weren't a 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:03.200 black woman this way. I mean it was she talked about. 0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:05.719 She basically said, why are we defending her weight? It's 0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:07.680 not healthy? Is it going to be funny when she 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:09.480 gets diabetes? And she just went down the list and 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.360 people were like, well, hey, you're bringing out all the 0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:15.440 things that happened to the black community more predominantly, so 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.920 they thought it was a race thing. And that conversation 0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:20.560 happens a lot around you. When people try to attack you. 0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:23.239 People feel like, if you weren't a black woman that 0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:24.839 was doing I mean, yeah, if you weren't a black 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:26.759 woman doing these things, you would have a little bit 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:28.319 more grace or be propped up a bit more. 0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:29.360 Do you feel like that. 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:32.080 You know whose voice I listened to the less when 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:35.319 they have comments about me is celebrities. I really, I 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:39.040 never I don't care about other celebrities opinions on me, 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.840 you know what I mean. It's interesting because it's like 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.400 I care more about what my fans say about me 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:48.160 and think about me that matters. I never hear these 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:53.799 little trivial comments, and I only hear the apologies, you know. 0:55:55.719 --> 0:56:01.520 But I will say, somebody's health is none of your business, 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:04.520 and I've always been on that, And it's like, we 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:08.719 only pretend to care about people's fat people's health so 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.000 we could be fat phobic to them. It's, you know, 0:56:11.600 --> 0:56:17.040 being fat is the only acceptable form of bullying in 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:19.600 our society, if you think about it. We're taught from 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:22.480 kids from a young age to make fun of fat people. 0:56:22.719 --> 0:56:25.960 You watch TV and the fat dude, he's like, oh, 0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:27.320 and then he falls over. 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:28.719 Trying to tie his shoe, and the kids are like, 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:31.680 you know, and you laugh in front of your parents. 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:34.280 Your parents laughing too. 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:37.640 But if it was anything else, your parents would be like, 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:39.759 don't laugh at that, you know what I mean. So 0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:42.960 we are socialized to make fun of fat people, and 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.839 I think that some people pretend to care about fat 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:49.040 people's health to just make fun of them, you know, 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:53.759 in a weird backwards backwards ass way. I will have 0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:58.120 so many things to say about this, but a lot 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:00.239 of people and I'm not gonna say this is not 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:02.360 a blanket statement, because I am actually terrible, and I 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:04.200 make a lot of blanket statements in the internet. 0:57:04.239 --> 0:57:05.080 Gets to my ass for. 0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:11.440 It, I'm gonna say, systemically, in America, the majority of 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:17.240 fatness is due to things that are kind of out 0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:23.480 of your control. Our food system is abysmal. Our food 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:29.160 system has so many invisible additives that have so much 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:36.040 sugar and caloric density and toxins, and it is it is. 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:39.320 How do I say this without getting political? I don't 0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:43.000 want to sound like RFK, but like it's poisoning us 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:46.440 and in our communities too, in black communities at a 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:50.400 disproportionate level. There are food deserts, and the only the 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:52.320 only uh. 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.040 What's it called? Uh? What's what's it called? 0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:55.520 In the middle of a desert when it's like green, 0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:00.200 the only thank y'all, come on, smart man. The only 0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:04.080 oasis in the food desert is fast food, is snack, food, 0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:06.560 is hot cheetos, It's bread forty d D D D. 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.400 So when I was a kid, I grew up in Houston, Texas. 0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:12.800 A shout out to SWAT. I was in band rehearsal, 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:16.040 and when I got thirsty, I drank sprite. I would 0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:17.760 chug this sprite and be like, oh, I'm so thirsty. 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:23.120 Oh my hot cheetos. Every day at lunch and then 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:27.400 our lunch, you're not gonna get a salad or a protein. 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:31.280 At school, at public school lunch, it was chick and tenders. 0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:31.840 It was. 0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:36.240 Cheese, stuffed bread, whatever that was. I don't know what 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:39.040 the fuck that was. It was good, it was good. 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:42.000 And so like, this is what we've been given. 0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:45.720 You know, a lot of people's fatness is genetic, you 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:47.880 know what I'm saying. So it's like and then there 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:51.120 are people who, like, you know, we contend to overeat 0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:51.720 and stuff like that. 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:52.600 I'm not talking about that. 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:54.280 I'm not making a blanking statement about it, but I'm 0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:56.680 like a lot of it is out of our control. 0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:58.120 Back here in social media too, because people aren't the 0:58:58.120 --> 0:58:59.600 activist they used to be so back in the day. 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:04.840 We play social media. 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:09.400 So it's like to sit up and just like criticize 0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:12.360 somebody for being like, hey, this is how I look 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.440 right now, and you know what despite all odds, I'm 0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:17.120 okay with that. 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:21.080 That don't mean that I'm like, you know, being fat 0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.680 is it? Everyone should be fat? No, it's just like, damn, 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:28.120 can a bitch like herself right now? Depressed? Right? And 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.720 if my body changes cool? If I get bigger, that's 0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:34.480 none of your fucking business. If I get smaller, that's 0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:35.440 none of your fucking business. 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:36.880 But can I like myself right now so I can 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.560 get through the day like you think, if I sit 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.400 and go I hate myself. Let me just change and 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:45.040 be skinny? Now, No, that's not how it works. So 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:47.560 it's like, y'all want us to be miserable, but for 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:50.640 what Because once I get small, you still not happy. 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.760 So it's like, shut the fuck up, disrespectfully. 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:56.360 I like that. 0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.080 Just for fairness of a conversation. She did, But the 1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:03.440 U turn because the people jumped on her. She said, 1:00:03.440 --> 1:00:05.720 I should have separated her from the conversation. 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:08.200 It's a that in there. But your point, by the way, 1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:10.480 exactly I was gonna say. You called it because it's never. 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:13.040 Been pre diabetic and this is not me flexing my 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.640 health over nobody. But this is just me saving the facts. 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:18.400 Don't ever put diabetes on me, I've never been pre diabetic. 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:21.320 My father had type two diabetes, and it's like and 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:25.120 when he passed away, I had from a young age. 1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:25.840 She passed away when I. 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:28.640 Was nineteen twenty actually, oh my gosh, it was so 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:33.440 long ago, but actually I'm twenty two. But when that 1:00:33.520 --> 1:00:37.360 happened to him, because he had hypertension and high blood 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:41.080 pressure and type two from his eating habits. I have 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:46.640 always been a healthy person. Even though I was physically larger, 1:00:47.080 --> 1:00:49.120 I was very conscious about what I put in my body. 1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:51.320 I was very active. I would post. 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:53.600 Videos of me in the gym, running on a treadmill, 1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:56.560 lifting heavyweights. People would buy tickets to my show where 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:58.720 I'm on stage for two hours, running back and forth 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:02.880 playing the flute, doing choreography, rapping and singing an emoting 1:01:03.040 --> 1:01:05.600 and not being out of breath. Like I've always been 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:09.040 a very active person. I'm always be a very healthy person. Yeah, 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:12.080 never been pre diabetic. Honey, mind your business. That's between 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:13.920 me and my doctor. And I'll get her on the 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:14.320 phone too. 1:01:14.320 --> 1:01:15.000 She loved to talk. 1:01:15.880 --> 1:01:17.560 She takes a sugar drink. 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:24.480 No, no, I'm glad you said that. This is a 1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:27.720 this is a black coffee. And then I put in 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:32.640 half a vanilla protein shake, so actually there's no sugar 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:36.240 in this. It's it's because it's half of it. It's 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:38.960 about ten grands of protein and the coffee is black. 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:40.280 There's no sugar in this at all. 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:41.800 Shut up business. 1:01:41.880 --> 1:01:43.840 Like I said, I got one last question because Lauren's 1:01:43.840 --> 1:01:45.080 stomach is overhead. 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:52.760 And crazy last night and like I'm literally just coming 1:01:52.800 --> 1:01:56.160 down from all the last night I went to drink. 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:57.600 It was so good, So over. 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:02.520 Here holding my stomach, boys crowding. But my last question, 1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:05.280 is there a version of lizzle we haven't seen yet? 1:02:05.320 --> 1:02:06.600 And are you afraid to shure? 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:16.040 I'm not afraid, but I am protective. I think protection 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.120 can be fear based. Sometimes a lot of people, like 1:02:18.120 --> 1:02:20.280 a protective mother is like, oh I'm afraid something might 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:23.040 happen to my child. Let me be overly protective. So 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:27.560 sometimes there's a like if y'all saw how I really 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:32.440 you know am? Sometimes like when I'm working, I feel 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:37.360 like people wouldn't understand, and it's like because I'm a 1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:39.120 very hard worker, I actually am. 1:02:39.240 --> 1:02:41.640 Like ask anybody in this industry. 1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:44.919 They're like, she wanted the hardest working, And I think 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:48.440 the because I'm fat like the trope of oh she 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.600 lazy or whatever comes in and I get that put 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:53.760 on me, and so people don't put me in the 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:57.200 category of the hardworking divas that we all know and 1:02:57.280 --> 1:03:01.080 love today. But I work very hard, and I don't 1:03:01.080 --> 1:03:05.880 show that side because you get to just enjoy the show, 1:03:06.080 --> 1:03:09.040 you get to just enjoy the product. But though I 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:14.040 work hard, I'm very kind to the people who I 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:19.000 work with. I'm very measured, I'm very fair. But it 1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:21.360 gets real, it gets real, And that's why I like 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:22.680 that whole doughchy situation. 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:23.120 I have to. 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:25.920 I have to, like nobody knows what it feels like 1:03:25.960 --> 1:03:29.040 to be in a situation like that where it's so 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:32.480 intense and the it's your first met and you are 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:35.120 trying to do your best, and it's like to judge 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:38.160 black women for working hard. I don't like this new 1:03:38.720 --> 1:03:41.080 this this new I don't know what it is, this 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:45.560 new misconception or misperception of black women who are working 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:48.920 hard for what they want where it's getting demonized, you 1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:52.160 know what I mean? And what I also have been 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:54.960 seeing is us as a community stand up for the 1:03:55.000 --> 1:03:57.480 black women who are in this field, Like there's not 1:03:57.560 --> 1:04:00.160 a lot of us really at the top of this game, 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:03.840 and it's like, we really have to work seven thousand 1:04:03.880 --> 1:04:07.080 times harder than our counterparts to get shit done. 1:04:07.320 --> 1:04:11.280 And we're working actively against the system of people, you know, 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:12.040 and then. 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:18.560 The the things that get projected on us, you know, 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:22.120 the personalities that get projected on us like that. 1:04:22.240 --> 1:04:24.880 We have to overcome that too and subvert that. 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:30.080 So it's like, yeah, you don't see the hard working 1:04:30.160 --> 1:04:33.000 side of me, But I gets busy. My hairstyle is 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:35.320 back there like bitch me and my agent like when 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:38.560 do you stop? He like, I work with my other clients. 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.360 I at least have a time to go get a cocktail. 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:40.920 You. 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:44.040 I've been working NonStop since I got here. I've been 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:47.040 doing radio interviews. I did the met, I shot a 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:50.320 music video after the met that night and still managed 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:52.120 to change my outfit and go to the after parties 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:55.440 and turn up. Then I had radio the next morning. 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:58.240 Then I turned up again. I did had radio yesterday. 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:00.520 I have a cover shot, a cover sh yesterday. I 1:05:00.560 --> 1:05:03.120 gotta cover shoot today. I'm out here working. 1:05:02.880 --> 1:05:04.400 And came in here with the best energy. 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:06.840 You don't really tired. You didn't sound tired. We didn't 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:08.720 know I didn't know you were tired til you said it. 1:05:09.360 --> 1:05:12.320 You know, I got a show. I got two shows, 1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:14.560 all in New York. And it's just like, because I 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:17.600 love this shit, I loved I love to work, But 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:20.320 I'm not gonna pull back the curtain and show. There's 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:22.560 other artists who do that, Like Beyonce pulls back the 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:24.720 curtain for us, and we see her work ethic and 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:26.840 I respect that and I love that, and I'm like, 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:29.320 exactly when I see how she works when she put 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:31.920 that black hoodie on, I'm like exactly, because that's how 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:34.280 the fuck I get down too, down to the lighting, 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:36.640 down to the timing, down to the sounds and the 1:05:36.680 --> 1:05:40.040 sonics of the music. We put that fucking work in 1:05:40.400 --> 1:05:42.720 and the and we don't show y'all because you're gonna say, oh, 1:05:42.760 --> 1:05:45.680 she's a bitch, like black women, especially, oh she's a bitch. 1:05:45.840 --> 1:05:47.360 So it's like, we don't even want to show y'all 1:05:47.400 --> 1:05:48.720 because y'all are gonna judge us. 1:05:48.840 --> 1:05:49.480 But we need. 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:52.080 But I love when Beyonce does it because it puts 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:52.760 respect on it. 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:53.760 That's how we get down. 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:56.760 So that that part, I'm not gonna pull back the 1:05:56.760 --> 1:05:59.560 curtain because I already got enough falligations against me. 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:04.240 Let's keep Let's go to a record, man, let's go 1:06:04.320 --> 1:06:06.680 to a record. Let's get into it right now. New singles, 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:07.400 Still bad. 1:06:07.560 --> 1:06:09.400 Still bad? Which one are you playing? You're playing the 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:10.720 disco version? 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:11.600 Now? 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:12.240 Which one you want to? 1:06:13.000 --> 1:06:15.280 I love key, wish I could play Bitch? Can you do? 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:19.200 Y'all have bitch? Can we get bitch? We got bitch? 1:06:19.520 --> 1:06:19.880 All right? 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:24.040 Thank you, Thank you for the conversation. To keep doing 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:24.479 the work. 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:24.720 Man. 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:27.400 I love to see you blow up mind, body and spirit. 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:27.840 Thank you. 1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:28.640 Listen to you. 1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:31.600 It's the breakfast Club. 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:32.080 Good morning. 1:06:32.560 --> 1:06:34.640 Wake that ass up in the morning. 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:35.800 The Breakfast Club.