1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: In the weeds. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 2: This one had been in the can for a minute, 3 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: and we finally have some time to unravel it. If 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 2: MLB expands, could it's one hundred and sixty two game 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: schedule shrink it? 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Very well? Might? This story by Jason Stark. 7 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: He is usually locked in on topics like this regarding 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: the league in significant changes, and we can show you 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 2: what he's dealing with so you can conceptualize it. This 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 2: stemmed from the realignment conversation. When Rob Manford brought it up. 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: It just sparked articles. This has been going on for 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: a while behind the scenes, but the shrinking of the 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: schedules interesting, Stark said. One club official we spoke with 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: casually referred to baseball's current one hundred and sixty two 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: game slog as quote an endangered species. Another club exec said, emphatically, 16 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: expansion means the end of one sixty two. So that's 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: what they're talking about here, and here's how they would 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: lay it out. If there's thirty two teams, he thinks 19 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: there will be one hundred and fifty six games, which 20 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: is close to what we had for a long period 21 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: of time in Major League Baseball, which was one hundred 22 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: and fifty four. You give twelve games a piece versus 23 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: the other three teams inside the division. That's thirty six. 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: Six games a piece. Against the other twelve teams in 25 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: your league, that's seventy two. That gets you to a 26 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: total of one toh eight. Then three games a piece 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: versus the sixteen teams on the other side, and now 28 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 2: we're at one fifty six, and that's the number, and 29 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: that would give you two series a week for twenty 30 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: six weeks fifty two total. It would give you an 31 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: average of at least one off day per week for 32 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 2: each team, and give you the one hundred and fifty 33 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 2: six game schedule. Now, it's something that's happened in the past. 34 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: We had one fifty four for a long period of time, 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: and then as we expanded, we went to one sixty two. 36 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: The article talks about about a billion dollars per year 37 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: for the last few years of players on the injured list. 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: But let's start with the overall topic of one sixty 39 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: two to one fifty six. Are you for it and 40 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: do you think it happens. 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: I don't think it happens. I mean players have been 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: people have been talking about shortening the schedule forever. But 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to happen. And here here's 44 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: the thing about this one fifty six number. Where are 45 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: they going to make up the are they going to 46 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: make up the money of those six games? That's why 47 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 3: why are the players injured? Because teams are so non 48 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 3: hesitant to put guys on the il That's why they 49 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: just all throw on the aisle for ten days. That's 50 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: a big deal. We'll be ready in ten days come back. 51 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: And it used to be you try to avoid the 52 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: disabled this Now you're on the injured list all the time. 53 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: Are people are like, oh I'm a little bit tired, Okay, 54 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: you can go on. You can take a ten day vacation. 55 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: That's the difference, is why the money, Why they're losing 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: all this money is because people are just more willing 57 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: to go on it now. Yeah, and they're willing to 58 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: push the limits and throw their first pitch of the 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: game at one hundred miles an hour instead of pitch 60 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: through the game. But if you look at the padres, 61 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: the Padres, I think one of their large draws they're 62 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: spending a lot of money and a quote small market 63 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: is the attendance they're averaging right around forty thousand at 64 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: one hundred and seven dollars on average is your ticket. 65 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: If you cut out three games, they're gonna lose twelve 66 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: point eight four million dollars. I don't think because they 67 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: got three home games and three away games is what 68 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: they would lose in their schedule. I don't think you're 69 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: going to find a direct correlation in your players playing 70 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: six less games and staying healthy enough to let an 71 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: owner say, yeah, you know what, I'll get rid of 72 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: thirteen million dollars, No. 73 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Problem, okay. 74 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: In the article, he said, can this sport create additional 75 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: October inventory? 76 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: Sure? 77 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: It could turn best of five series into best of sevens. 78 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: It could go from twelve playoff teams to earmuffs for 79 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: some of you, sixteen, which creates eight best of three 80 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: first round series compared with four under the current format. 81 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: And he reminds us that during the last labor negotiations 82 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: that were done in twenty twenty two, the league proposed 83 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: expanding the postseason to four team teams. 84 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Just like the NFL. It was rejected. 85 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: On the other side, we have obviously added a wild 86 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: card spot, so we now have three. We've got the 87 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: buy so we've got a little bit of different action 88 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: than we saw for a long period of time. Could 89 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: we expand that and make up the money that way? 90 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: I actually think if we did expand the playoffs that way. 91 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 2: I'm not saying them for it, but if we did, Kratz, 92 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: you would make up the money. The playoffs is where 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: the money's at. You lose a handful of regular season games, 94 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: you can make up for that if you expanded teams 95 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: and expanded series in the playoffs. 96 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: Okay, does that increase competition? I think the biggest issue 97 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,119 Speaker 3: between owners and players is competition. Players want every owner 98 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: to be competitive. If we let everybody into the playoffs, 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: which I get it, I'm being over dramatic, and you know, 100 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: when we expanded it's been great for the game and 101 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: extra series all that stuff. But if you don't incentivize 102 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: team to be competitive during the season, because now a 103 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: lot more guys get in, look at who wouldn't be 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: in right now if we hadn't expanded it like it is, 105 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: then teams will try even less to build their team 106 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: because they're like, it really doesn't take that much to 107 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: get in, and once you're in, there's no real formula 108 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: to win. Is what everybody says, so I am against that, 109 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: and I also think. I also think the one sixty 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: two to one fifty six is negligible. It's negligible. Cut 111 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: spring training down, expand if you really want, if you 112 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: really want guys to stay healthy, expand the roster. Don't 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: have guys take such a workload. Maybe those are things 114 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: instead of depriving fans of three less games at their 115 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 3: home field. 116 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: This is a business, and. 117 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: Having fan bases involved as late as possible matters. It 118 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: mattered to with even one extra wild card. Have you 119 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: had at least one extra playoff spot per side? 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I mean we only have. 162 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: To go two years back. 163 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: Two years back, nobody had Rangers Diamondbacks meeting up in 164 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: the World Series when the playoffs started. 165 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: But yes, I agree with what you're saying. But if 166 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: you're if that's what you're saying, you're you're defending. My 167 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: argument is organizations don't spend on players to get the 168 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: best players out there because they realize that a team 169 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: like the Rangers can make a run. They feel like 170 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks can make a run. And now look, the 171 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: Diamondbacks have spent money and they're not in the playoffs. 172 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: So incentivizing teams to need to be competitive for all 173 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two or all one hundred and 174 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: fifty six should be paramount in these contract negotiations. 175 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: Okay, I still think that if you keep more fan 176 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: bases involved, it's going to make them more money. We've 177 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 2: seen that, right If we go to the older formats, 178 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you have fans right now that are still 179 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: following what Cleveland's doing, what Kansas City's doing, with San 180 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: Francisco is doing, they would have been long gone and 181 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: some of the fan bases, even the Rangers and a 182 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: player on the Rangers and Josh Smith, thought they were 183 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: done already and now they're back in the mix. I'm 184 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: not saying I want this, but just presenting the case 185 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: that if you did add even two more playoff teams. 186 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: The league has spoken they want it, they want fourteen teams, 187 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: and that's with thirty. 188 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: Why don't we just let everybody in, everyone in the 189 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: playoffs and see a double A and. 190 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: Say, you know, we're only just going to do the 191 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 3: playoffs because that's where the money is. 192 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: So you don't think this will happen. You don't think. 193 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: Because the owners get what The owners always get what 194 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: they want at the end of the day, except first 195 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: salary cap so far, they always they've got everything else 196 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: they wanted, and they can do it without even arguing 197 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: about it. Really, they can just basically for they'll say, oh, 198 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: we'll give them a sorry cap. We give us twenty 199 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: two teams in the postseason so we can make more money. 200 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 3: You guys just get nothing out of it. 201 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: How about that, yeps making more money if they're in 202 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,119 Speaker 2: the playoffs? 203 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: Players make more money if there they don't they get 204 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: a playoffs share. 205 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 3: It's not it's not that much. Make nothing I make. 206 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: I make money in the playoffs. AJ does not make 207 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 3: any money in the playoffs, superstars. He'll use their league 208 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: money in the playoffs from buying tickets. Yes, and hell, 209 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 3: and a lot of times your leases up for your 210 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: guys and you have to run a hotel. Hell, you 211 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: end up. 212 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 4: Losing money in the playoffs. 213 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: Maybe you guys win the World Series. You guys should 214 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: negotiate for more playoff share. If they're going to add 215 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: more playoff games and playoff teams. 216 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: Good look. Or maybe maybe maybe the teams should just 217 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 3: not give away playoff shares. Anyway, this is a playoff conversation. 218 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: I'm not going to discuss that team shouldn't go handing 219 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: out playoff shares and then expect the players to because 220 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: it's the players playoff shares, expect them to hand it 221 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: out to employees that they promised them to when they 222 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: hired them. But no players players like AJ. If you 223 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: win the World Series and you make four hundred dollars 224 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: in playoff shares like AJ's contract, act don't do them now. 225 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 3: But it was probably more than four hundred thousand dollars 226 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: in a month my contract. Absolutely, that's a huge bonus. 227 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: That's a crazy bonus. But like the good players who 228 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: are actually playing in all of the World Series games 229 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: are most likely losing money during the playoffs. So it's 230 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: the playoffs aren't about money for the players. The playoffs 231 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: aren't all about money for the owners. 232 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean the playoff pool when you look 233 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: at it for all the teams, what was it twenty 234 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: nineteen was eighty one million dollars, So it's it's real money. 235 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: But I get what you're. 236 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: Breaking up so much because you have to give every Tom, 237 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 3: Dick and Harry and the team a playoffs share, and 238 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 3: then you forget you always forget Somebodey and they get mad. 239 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: It's just well, that part's always super weird. 240 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: And we talked about that. I mean, those are team 241 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: employees that should be said. 242 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Also, you have to understand so 243 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: players only get part of the first four games of 244 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: a seven game series, right, the other three goes all 245 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: of the owners. Why is that players had to play? 246 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: It's a ethics thing because that's but that's why they say, they. 247 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: Say, because there's more money in their pocket. 248 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: Because then players they don't want people to be rooting 249 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: for more. 250 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 4: Was a player I rooted for every series. 251 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: That I wasn't playing in to go seven games because 252 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 3: I thought I got more money. 253 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 4: I did, and I was wrong. It's stupid. 254 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: They don't want the players involved in a series to 255 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: be like, let's go seven because we'll get paid more. 256 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I agree it's silly, but I do think 257 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: that they are. I just I'll put it this way. 258 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: I believe Jason Stark because I think he's plugged in 259 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: with the league. So I think they're gonna go to 260 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: one fifty six. They're gonna go one to fifty six, 261 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: and you'll have at least fourteen playoff teams. 262 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: That's my conclusion. Agree or disagree, crats. 263 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: I mean, if Jason says it, I would have to 264 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 3: lean towards agree. That doesn't mean I agree with them, 265 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: but I think it could happen. 266 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: Yes, clearly I don't agree. That's fine, that's why we're 267 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 2: getting your perspective here. All right, let's get to the 268 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: copies today. Sharma's back on FT. You can check out 269 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: his articles in The Athletic and you can listen to 270 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: him and Patrick Mooney on North Side Territory. Get it 271 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: wherever you get your pods and you can look it 272 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: up on YouTube today. Good to see you again. I 273 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: gonna start with some downer news. We actually had him 274 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: on our show recently and he was awesome. But Danny 275 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: Plentia hits the shelf, cubs lose their closer for now 276 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: what else DNL? 277 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, right now, we don't have a ton of information 278 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 5: on how he's doing physically. It sounds like they're gonna 279 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 5: let it and let him get some treatment, get let 280 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: it get checked out over the next couple of days. 281 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 4: But I've heard some things that it may not be 282 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 4: that awful. 283 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: Uh. 284 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 5: Council was kind of hesitant to give any indication on 285 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 5: what direction we're going with this, but they wanted to 286 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 5: check everything out and see where he is by to 287 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 5: the end of the week. But right now, I'm not 288 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 5: getting any indication that that this is like an ending 289 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: the season type injury. It may just be a you know, 290 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 5: he starts throwing again in a few days. If that's 291 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 5: the case, that's much better than what it looked like 292 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 5: when he was kind of bent over on the mound, 293 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 5: looking like, uh, is this a season ender type thing? 294 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 5: But you're you're always a little concerned. I mean, obviously 295 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 5: it's a shoulder, so you're always concerned. But if it 296 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 5: calms down and it was just a stinger type thing 297 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 5: that happened when he was on the mound and compounded 298 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: by the frustration of giving up a three to one lead, 299 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 5: I wouldn't be shocked if he's you know, if he's 300 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 5: back before the end of the season, especially if we 301 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 5: hear that he's throwing by the end of the week. 302 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: Today. 303 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go buy numbers necessarily, and I 304 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: don't think he's in the top ten in relief pitcher appearances. 305 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: But do you feel like for someone who was thrust 306 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: into disclosure role and did really well with it, they 307 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: overused him or this is just. 308 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: How life is. 309 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to ask you to be 310 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: the doctor, but you watch every game, right, so did 311 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: you feel like he used. 312 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: The hunter used correctly when they needed him. 313 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 5: I you know, I don't have appearances in front of me. 314 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 5: I didn't get at the field that, wow, they're going 315 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 5: to Daniel Palencia a lot, if anything, I got would 316 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 5: get that feeling with like since they acquired Andrew Kittridge 317 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 5: or or even Brad Keller, and neither of those guys 318 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 5: have have shown any signs of really wearing down. 319 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: I didn't get that feeling. 320 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 5: No, the guys that I'd be concerned about are the 321 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 5: guys that I named, and they don't they they they 322 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 5: when I talk to them, they seem fine. And then 323 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 5: someone like Drew Pomerantz who has a long history of injury, 324 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 5: but they have been careful with pomorance. But I didn't 325 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 5: notice that with Palencia. I I you know, sometimes you 326 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 5: watch the games all the time and you're like, you know, 327 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 5: alarm belts go off, Oh this guy's going a ton, 328 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 5: or I feel like I'm watching this guy every other day. 329 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 4: I did not get that feeling with Polentcia. 330 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 5: I will say they, I mean the you know, the 331 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 5: biggest question right now is offense, obviously, and and they've 332 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: been playing far too many close games. When you do that, 333 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: you will wear down your high leverage relievers. Council is 334 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 5: really good about saying when a guy's down, he's down. 335 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 5: I don't if it's a three to two game, I 336 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 5: need to have days off where I've just he's not available. 337 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 5: I don't have the option of going to that guy. 338 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 5: So he's pretty good about that. 339 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: Is Poalencia's injury kind of like are the is the 340 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: offense going? 341 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: Who? 342 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 3: Nobody can see us right now because the biggest news 343 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: is Palencia. You know, him going down? The offense? 344 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: Is there? 345 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: Is there hope? Is there hope without a one hundred 346 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: per Kyle Tucker in the lineup? 347 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 5: Without Kyle Tucker, it's it's really hard to have a 348 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 5: ton of hope. I do think Kyle Tucker is coming 349 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 5: back either today or tomorrow. That's the indication we've been getting. Uh, 350 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 5: you know, it sounds like he's fine. He We saw 351 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 5: him running out in the field at Truce Park the 352 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 5: other day what day was at Monday. He seemed like 353 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 5: he was going almost one hundred percent. That's what Council said. 354 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: Sounds like he's fine and ready to go. You don't 355 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 5: want this to linger, obviously, you need him healthy. Look, 356 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 5: I agree with you. I think the offense is the 357 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 5: bigger issue. Last night was tough to watch. I don't 358 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 5: get frustrated while watching these games. I'm pretty patient. I've 359 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 5: been waiting for this offense to turn the corner and 360 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 5: get back to what we saw early in the year. 361 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,719 Speaker 5: But Monday night was a really lethargic offensive performance. It's 362 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 5: the type of thing that makes you kind of, what's 363 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 5: going on here? Where is this offensive pop? What happened 364 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 5: to this team? They face Bryce Elder twice in a 365 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 5: span of a week and couldn't do much against him 366 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 5: either night. 367 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 4: Really poor performance. 368 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 5: A council was pointed about his comments about the offense 369 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 5: last night. Nico Horner. When we talked to him, you 370 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 5: could tell he was a little frustrated with how the 371 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 5: offenses looked lately. They just can't get it going, and 372 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 5: they need Tucker, they need PCA, they need their best 373 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 5: players to play like the best players in baseball. 374 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay on Tucker. What's the feeling in Chicago 375 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: about Kyle Tucker. They traded for him to be the guy, 376 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 3: and you know there was talk of okay, you know, 377 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 3: we'll dish out four hundred and fifty million dollars for 378 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: this guy, even though the Cubs never dish any money 379 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: out like that, Is that still the feeling because if 380 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 3: you look at his justice ops plus for the season, 381 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: he is above his career norms. Is the feeling in 382 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: Chicago that, yes, this was a great trade. We're so 383 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 3: glad and Kyle Tucker has done an amazing job. We 384 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: need him back. 385 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it really depends who you talk to. As far 386 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 5: as the front office, I think they understand how good 387 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 5: he is and how impactful he is fan base, they're 388 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 5: kind of changing their mind. They're changing their tune by 389 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 5: the performance. 390 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 4: A month to month. 391 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 5: He had a really rough what was it July, and 392 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 5: then the start of August, Greig Council gave him that 393 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 5: break and then he had just a ridiculously great West 394 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 5: Coast road trip. It was really impressive how he kind 395 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 5: of turned a corner and it was like he looked 396 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 5: lost and then suddenly he found it. And that's I 397 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 5: mean that A lot of that is baseball. We see 398 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 5: that you can never say, wow, this guy will never 399 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 5: find it again. Sometimes the guy looks terrible and then 400 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 5: suddenly they look like a great player. That's what happened 401 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 5: with Kyle Tucker and then this calf injury. I do 402 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: think there's some frustration among the fan base with that 403 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 5: extended slump. Maybe that goes more towards the team because 404 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 5: they say, hey, he hurt his finger, why didn't you 405 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 5: put him on the IL. I think the easy answer 406 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 5: to that is he heard his finger at July first, 407 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 5: and if you go look at his numbers in July, 408 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 5: there was no indication that the finger was hurting him 409 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 5: because he had his best month of the season offensively, 410 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 5: so it's hard to put all the blame on the finger. Clearly, 411 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 5: something was off for a month and a half there, 412 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 5: and people are the fan base and I'd say, you know, 413 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 5: radio hosts and things like that, there was frustration, and 414 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 5: I think that's fair. 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So, if the offense is the number 439 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: one concern, what is the number two concern in terms 440 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: of departments of the ball club right now? 441 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: On the field, That's. 442 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: A good question. 443 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 5: I mean, the starting pitching has been so consistent and 444 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 5: it's kind of one of those things for me where 445 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 5: I'm like, does this keep lasting? Is this going to 446 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 5: last and they just go out there and they keep performing. 447 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 5: Even even showed a last night. I was like, oh, 448 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 5: here's that rough start for him. No, he just had 449 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 5: a bad first inning and then cruised through it to 450 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 5: get into through six innings. So you know, they have 451 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 5: a really solid starting rotation. I guess you could point 452 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 5: to the bullpen, but I like their group even without Palencia. 453 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 5: I think there's guys that can step up. I'm not 454 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 5: one hundred percent back in on Porter Hodge, but he 455 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 5: had a great weekend and now he's going to have 456 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 5: to get more opportunities because because of Valencia. Michael's arka 457 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 5: is going to come back and he's going to be 458 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 5: He's going to be used in a bullpen role and 459 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 5: he was really good in that role with the White 460 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 5: Sox last year, and I think he sounds like his 461 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 5: velocities back to what it was earlier in the season. 462 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 5: They found some mechanical tweaks and he's had a couple 463 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: of live vps. He'll pitch in it with Iowa on Wednesday, 464 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 5: So I actually like the bullpen. But bullpens are always 465 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 5: a concern as far as you know, just just watching baseball, 466 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 5: you never know day to day what a bullpen will 467 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 5: look like because one injury, one you know, someone's mechanics 468 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 5: go off. It's just so so volatile in that group. 469 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 5: So I guess you'd point to here are the two 470 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 5: things out point to do they have a stud starting pitcher. 471 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 5: I think we probably went into the season wondering that, 472 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 5: and it was a question at the deadline and. 473 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 4: Still ask that. 474 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 5: I really like Kate Horton and the way he's looked. 475 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 5: And then just bullpens in general, they're so volatile. I 476 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 5: just never never know what you're gonna get. I do 477 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 5: like the top group, especially Brad Keller. What he's done 478 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 5: since the All Star Break is just remarkable. 479 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: Hey, Sada, if you look back to the previous I 480 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,239 Speaker 2: don't know, ten fifteen years of the team right with 481 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: Jed Horier being there, I think for close to that 482 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: long at this point with THEO back then leading up 483 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: to the World Series title, I feel like it was 484 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: about them developing position players and then of course, you know, 485 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: making some nice signings with pitchers. 486 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: I think, you know what I'm getting to have They. 487 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 2: Figured out the homegrown pitcher situation a little bit more 488 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: here as we talk about whore In and some of 489 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: these relievers that came through the system. 490 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 5: I think they have more work to do. I think 491 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 5: they have good pitchers. Jackson Wiggins is a really good prospect, 492 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 5: and I think people probably look at them as one 493 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 5: of the top pitching prospects starting pitching prospects. After that, 494 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 5: there's some question marks, and I think they need to 495 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 5: do They need to find more pitching. It's the lifeblood 496 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 5: of an organization. Your farm system is really important, and 497 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 5: developing pitching. I think that's kind of what unraveled if 498 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 5: you want to, you know, there's a lot of things 499 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 5: you could talk about, but what unraveled the potential greatness 500 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 5: of that twenty sixteen team to really, you know, last longer. 501 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 5: The lack of their ability to develop pitching during that 502 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 5: time really hurt them. It's better than it was, but 503 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 5: it was really bad before. It was bottom of the 504 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 5: league before, and now it's better. I think they would 505 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 5: like to be even better. I think they would like 506 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 5: to have more at the bottom levels. I've heard some 507 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 5: names of guys that may be interesting, but they're really young. 508 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 5: There's nobody that's really popped this year. While there are 509 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 5: other ords that are able to draft in the second round, 510 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 5: the fifth round, the tenth round, and get these guys 511 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 5: at the high high bonus guys in the later rounds 512 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 5: and have them pop. It hasn't fully happened yet. Kate 513 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 5: Horton is a great story. There's some good bullpen arms, 514 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 5: You're right, and then after Jackson Wiggins, the Brandon bird 515 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 5: Sell injury really hurts them. There's, like I said, there's 516 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 5: an arm or two that you could point to at 517 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 5: the lower levels and say, Okay, I'm intrigued, but nothing 518 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 5: has popped yet, and I think they'd like to see that. 519 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: I have one more question about their lineup. Saya Suzuki 520 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 3: was leading the league in RBIs and I know RBI's 521 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: are a hated stat by many, but as a player, 522 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: RBI's means runs batted in. What has happened to him 523 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: since the All Star Break? 524 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if it's a I think he's healthy. 525 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 5: There's no indication that that's that's an issue. I've seen 526 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 5: some games. Some of it I think may be confidence, 527 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 5: because I do think so much of this game is 528 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 5: you don't something. You hit the crap out of the 529 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 5: ball and it doesn't fall. The win knocks it down. 530 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 5: Wrigley has been really hard on hitters once again, and 531 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 5: you don't get those, and you start to wonder what 532 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 5: am I doing wrong? 533 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 4: Why am I not getting results? 534 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 5: That that gets in your head and compounds and its 535 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 5: snowballs into more poor results, when the right answer was 536 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 5: don't change anything. 537 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: You're doing the right things. 538 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 5: The hits will start to come and you you're seeing 539 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 5: u uh, oh, I'm not getting the home runs. I'm 540 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 5: not getting the extra base hits. What do I need 541 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 5: to just what do I need to change? I am 542 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 5: seeing some there is some hard contact, but again I'm 543 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 5: seeing it on the ground a little too much. I 544 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 5: haven't looked at the numbers exactly on that, but just 545 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 5: anecdotally what I'm remembering. Some are some hard ground balls 546 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 5: he did that. He does that when he's in a funk, 547 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 5: when his swing isn't when his timing isn't exactly right. 548 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 5: I don't think it's something that's not fixable. But obviously, 549 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 5: what do we have three weeks left? H He's got 550 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 5: to get going. Uh And I think he's That's part 551 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 5: of the issue. You can focus on Pca and Tucker, 552 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 5: but these other guys have to have to perform too. 553 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 5: They haven't fallen off a cliff as far as their 554 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 5: one loss record, so I guess some other guys have 555 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 5: stepped up, stepped up match offer a period and half, 556 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 5: but say it has to get back to close to 557 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 5: what he was in the first half. The power is 558 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 5: just gone. I think one home run in like a month, 559 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 5: month and a half, it's been pretty rough. 560 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 2: I know that they're not going to necessarily have him 561 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: get replaced by the name I'm going to bring up, 562 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 2: and he's going to be on the roster, But it 563 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 2: just got me thinking about Owen Casey and now he 564 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: got called up for a minute, showed some nice signs 565 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: of things, and I think he's proven what he's needed 566 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: to prove in the minor leagues. But will we see 567 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 2: him again in the majors if there's no injury replacement 568 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: situation and this he just part of a logjam. 569 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 5: So the way Council described it was this he was 570 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 5: sent down because he's not going to sit his regulars. 571 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 5: Council believes to get where they need to get, those 572 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 5: guys need to perform. 573 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: I agree with him. 574 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 5: If Owen Casey is your savior, that you probably have 575 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 5: a problem going on because you have some really good players, 576 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 5: so all those guys need to perform. Yes, I think 577 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 5: the reason he got sent down is because he wasn't 578 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: playing every day. And when you're an everyday player in 579 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 5: the miners and suddenly you're sitting, you're gonna lose your rhythm, 580 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 5: You're gonna not be you know, it's gonna be hard 581 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 5: for you to come off the bench and perform. So 582 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 5: they replaced him with Kevin Olcontra. They also wanted to 583 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 5: get some days off for Pete k Armstrong. Al Contra 584 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 5: can play in center field. I think eventually, when al 585 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 5: Contra starts sitting on the bench for an extended period 586 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 5: of time, which has happened, they're going to switch him out. 587 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 4: That's essentially what council told us. 588 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 5: That's why they made the move, and the owe case 589 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,239 Speaker 5: he will be back assuming help get him every day 590 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 5: at bats at Triple A, and he'll and he'll come 591 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 5: back and then kind of fill that similar role that 592 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 5: he was filling. I don't think every day at bats 593 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 5: are in his future outside of an injury this season. Obviously, 594 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 5: they didn't trade him, and if they don't trade him 595 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 5: in the winter, he has a future with this team, 596 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 5: especially if they I mean, obviously, if they don't sign 597 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: Kyle Tucker. 598 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course to day of good stuff. Good catching 599 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 2: up with you. Thanks for the time, and we'll talk 600 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: to you, I'm sure soon again. 601 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 4: Of course, thanks for having you guys, Take care. 602 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. 603 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: You can listen to Sadev and Patrick Mooney on North 604 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: Side Territory. You get three episodes per week. 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