WEBVTT - Beating The Book: Ray Marino, Oddsmaker, Bookmaker.eu 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:11.640 Check it down, man, Now down man. It's the Beating 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:13.920 of the Book podcast, Gil Alec and I hope you're 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:18.720 staying well during this pandemic. I hope you're staying indoors 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.320 if you're supposed to, or break it out if your 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:24.360 state allows you to. Whatever the case, I hope you're 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:29.680 enjoying the content here on the pod today. Real special episode, 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.280 in my opinion, it's not often that you get to 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.240 pick the brain of an oddsmaker off shore and specifically 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.479 at one of the big off shores. Ray Marino from 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.839 Bookmaker dot EU was kind enough to sit with me 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.360 for an hour. There were audio difficulties early, but we 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.360 got them worked at and Ray was super honest. Answered 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.040 a bunch of questions about a bunch of different things, 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:56.400 pandemic specific and more macro about how things are going 0:00:56.440 --> 0:01:00.200 over there at Bookmaker. Just some fabulous insights that you 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:04.800 really won't get anywhere else, from table tennis to the 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.920 stock market to what percentage of betters actually win, on 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.640 and on and on. A rare insight. Ray Marino from 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:21.360 Bookmaker exclusively on the Beating the Book podcast. Enjoy It's 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:26.080 a numbers game with your host Ji Alexander you want 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.440 those to believe in that limits. It is a numbers 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.840 game right here at Vista, the Vegas Stats and Information Network, 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.440 the Sports Betting Network. Good morning to you, Gil Alexander 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:41.040 live from San Francisco. Thanks for tuning again, once again appreciated. UH, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:45.080 and we are efforting to have an exclusive this morning. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:50.680 This is a real pleasure, UM, A rare glimpse from 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.320 behind the desk of an offshore book UH. An offshore 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.800 bookmaker going to join us this morning from bookmaker dot eu. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.200 His name is Ray Marino, so we look forward to 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.440 having him on the show. I've got a bevy of questions, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.080 UH for Ray. On the way, Danny Burke is in 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.200 studio in Las Vegas. Danny, are you there in studio 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.760 with us? Yes, sir, I am here. How you doing, Gil, 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.680 I'm doing very well, man, UM. I have so much 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.959 to ask Ray. It's it's ridiculous I could do. I 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.440 could do three hours with him. Sadly we'll only get 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.320 the balance of this hour. UM. But just about the 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.600 pandemic where they had all worried when the pandemic hit, 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.000 all these reports we've heard about the sports um or, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.760 the sort of not even sports, but simulations that have 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.880 garnered so much handle. Are those true? To what extent? 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.360 Are they true? All these random things that they've been booking, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.120 like the stock market, which I bet on a daily basis. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.600 Um over there, I'd love to find out the thinking 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.160 behind all this things from during the football season, like 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.560 the instant replay market, which I've talked about on this 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.240 show so many times, um, And just from then sacking 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.200 off just macro questions for him, the things that never 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:10.040 get answered, um, such as who actually wins? Like what's 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.959 your percentage of actual winning bettors? And if you were 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.919 truly taking truth serum and got to got to say 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.600 to someone coming into the betting game today in sports betting, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.160 is sports betting dead? Or there are really certain things 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.440 you can beat? Um? So all of those can't wait 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.680 to talk to him? Man, Yeah, absolutely looks like we 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.600 got him on the line now, so you should be 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.080 good to fire away. Well there you go. How about 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.320 that to the magic of technology? Ray. Welcome to the show, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.960 Ray Marino Oddsmaker over at bookmaker dot eu. First of all, Ray, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.000 thank you for joining us. Um, it's a real pleasure, man, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.560 I appreciate you doing this. Are you used to do 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.400 in media at all, not a time I'll talk to people, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.400 but as a whole can I stay under the radar 0:03:55.680 --> 0:04:01.800 in general? But I'm not at a few times. You've 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:06.680 done it a few times, all right, I'm gonna ask 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:08.720 the folks back in the studio are we hearing that 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.680 audio okay? Or we can we make out raised answers? 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:13.480 Or is it a little too echo? Because I want 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.240 people to get the benefit of the answer, I'll have 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.080 to repeat. Well, I'll see what I can decipher. Ray. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.840 Let me start with the Let's start with the present day, 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.360 and then we'll work our way back to two bigger 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.840 picture items. But the present day during the global pandemic, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.880 I guess the first question would be and and and 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.640 Recognizing that this is for those who are unfamiliar and 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.800 were just tuning into this show for you know, and 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.120 it might not be familiar with things that are done globally, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.840 You're you're a massive book, You're a massive operation. This 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:47.279 is not some flimsy operation going on. But we're even 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:51.279 were you even at all worried when the pandemic hit 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.599 and when sports started to cancel? Was there even something 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.120 with you and your team that was like, um, this 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.839 could get ugly, like we've really got to get creative here. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.880 Oh for sure. Um No, it was terrify. It's just 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.600 anytime you have any kind of change in general, it's 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.720 a little scary. And this is this is just a 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.839 thing I said, A pandemic pile was terrifying. That annoying. 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.600 It's still scary. Um, we've found the way. It's a 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.480 five for now, but we've had a very really credative 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:31.120 and terrified the future still I am you know, if 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.400 we listen antually, I don't have explode ever again, So 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.159 it's kind of scary. I think we'll get past it 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.440 and think in pretiful of mon still start seems some 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.440 actually sports again. But until it happens, I'm gonna be 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.839 able on any needles all for sure. Yeah, Um, I 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.320 don't know. I'm gonna sort of rely on Danny backing 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.360 studio there dinner. Are you picking up on the audio there? 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.000 Because I could. I could barely make it out and 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.080 I don't want the answers to get lost on the audience. Yeah, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.200 I think we're gonna try to reset it. We'll get that, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.840 let's do so apologies. Well, yeah, we'll start that again 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.479 at some point because what he did say, by the way, 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.120 just on that one is he was they were terrified, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.919 which you know a lot of people who uh, a 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:17.000 lot of people might be surprised by that because you 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.400 would think something like that, there there's nothing that could 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.440 that could bring down an operation like that, And not 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:24.640 that uh, I think they were on the cusp of 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.000 being brought down, um, but the fact that they were, 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.640 that they were worried like how long can this last? Uh? 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.880 For us? How long could this go on? And the 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.279 challenge of keeping it sustained for as long as they have? 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.240 Will effort? Ray again, let us effort. Let's effort. Ray 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.600 Marino from bookmaker dot EU again, Ray, do we have you? 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.960 How do you sound this time? How you hope? Okay, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.560 I don't know if we sound better, but we'll give 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.119 it one more go. Let me just I'll ask again 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:57.040 you you were you did have some some trepidation as 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:02.400 the pandemic hit. Have you been shocked? Well, first of all, 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.800 how does that meeting go? Do you get together and say, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.599 all right, we've got an ad lib here? And have 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:13.480 you been shocked by the success of the maddened simulations 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:19.680 of other things that you've done? Yeah? The traders all 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.720 basically got together when I started start trying to come 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.440 up with ideas, what what sells, what can what can 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:28.360 we possibly what product can we possibly put out that 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:34.280 people will be interested in? Um and uh, the stock 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:39.000 market came up, the Madden simulations came up early, but 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:43.480 we were a little hesitant because we're a little scared 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.160 that people would think that they weren't on the up 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.720 and up, that they weren't real. So so we found 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.280 a third party provided to do with Prime Time Action 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.840 and now we've developed a relationship with them, and it's 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.120 it's gone. Well, there's still some there's some people out 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.040 there of a skeptical rightly so, but it's just funny 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.160 when when you deal with video games, you know, it's 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.680 it's scary. But I mean, I could just say that 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.320 we would never do anything that wasn't completely on the 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.640 up and up, and uh and no, the the interest 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:22.000 for it is mind blowing. Um, we're not making anything 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.680 near what we would be making if it was normal sports, 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:30.120 but um, we're keeping the lights on. Um. It's uh, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.040 it's been it's been a it's been a crazy experience 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.440 because we're trying to come up with numbers for this stuff. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.120 So we're in back rooms running simulations on these games, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.959 trying to trying to formulate at least some some form 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.120 of reasonable number and uh, and then put it up 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.080 and then moved moved the number on on action like 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.520 like you would do any yellow sporting event. Um. But uh, 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.640 I would say we were really vulnerable the first month 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.360 and a half of so if somebody was ahead of 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.440 the game and had some data built on the we 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.240 had some pretty bad numbers up there. And now they're 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.200 getting a little tougher to beat. I'm sure we still 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.760 have some open and some holes to attack, but they're 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.640 they're closing quickly because we're building dat or as we 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:15.679 run more games and run more simulations in the backgrounds. Yeah, 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.960 it's interesting to me because even as you say that, right, 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.560 even as you say we would only do things on 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.719 the up and up, obviously, Ray, there's going to be 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.080 people out there who are going to doubt, you know, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.920 the crowd that is always going to be anti bookmaker, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.480 and they're gonna doubt that you know, what you're saying 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.720 is honest. But you know, I think it's a fascinating 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.880 psychology thing for betters because there was I I know 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.800 some folks who were betting your sims and they were 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.280 having some success early, like you said, when there might 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.800 have been an edge to be had, And then there 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.560 was a day where I think there was a double 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.280 header of very strange finishes. I want to say it 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:54.679 was on a Sunday, but don't hold me to that 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.520 might have been a Saturday. I think it's a weekend day. 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:01.640 WHI there's a couple of really odd time management uh 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.520 situations later game, and people will sort of chuckle because 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.959 they're like, well, it's a simulation. But you make the point, 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:09.600 which I think is a good one I've heard you 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.080 make before, which is, listen, yeah, there's there's gonna be 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.520 some time management issues in real life football too. And 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.520 I always sort of say with the NFL, we spend 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.200 most of our NFL seasons complaining about coaching decisions. So 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:26.000 in that respect, I guess, um, it's not that much 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:31.040 different than real life football. Is. Here's I'm an analytics 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.559 guy as a whole, and every Sunday during the regular season, 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.600 I'm cursing this coach. I'm cursing that coach for not 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.440 calling the time out of here, calling the time out 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:43.440 too fast, punt instead of going forward, whatever the case. Well, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.360 these maddened simulations truly taken to another level. I mean, 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:51.840 the people who wrote this game is much time as 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:57.560 they spent on making graphics unbelievably super, they really dropped 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.680 the ball in the logic of the game, and um, 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:04.560 they just and so when they do something and there's 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.000 even glitches in the game. They had the other day, 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.040 a team kicked the field goal on second down with 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.400 eighteen seconds left to win the game. They were down 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.400 by two. They lounged up for a field goal with 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.280 eighteen seconds left. Nothing wrong with that. Well, the field 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:22.240 goal gets blocked and the kicking team recovers it and 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.679 instead of them giving the ball to the other teams 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.480 since they actually kicked the ball, they called it third down. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.360 The team ran to play, then they kicked the field goal, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:36.200 won the game, and the chat went absolutely But it's 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.760 just a glitch in the game, and there's been a 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.480 couple of them another, you know that there's a couple 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.319 of different things the game does that. Um, it's a 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.040 video game. So you know, we had to put in 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.840 our rules that we're not responsible for any you know, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.840 glitches in the game. And what not as long as 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.760 the game plays out to its entirety. It's action. Um. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.320 But you know I read that I don't get involved 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.080 in the chats because I don't want it to occupy me. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.320 But I watch the chats on the site, and and 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.640 there's people fighting for us, and there's people let's say, 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.839 this is how does that happen? This? How does this happen? 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.120 How does this team beat this team? And I mean, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.120 let me step in for a second because I gotta 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.240 get a commercial here. We'll come back, we'll continue this. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.320 I want to find out about the handle of SIMS. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.360 We'll get beyond that to stock market other things that 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.720 you're booking during the pandemic. It's a numbers game right 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:31.640 here at Visa the Sports Betting Network. Welcome back to 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:36.199 a numbers game with you, Alexander. A numbers game at 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.680 Visa and exclusively brought to you by manscape dot Com. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:43.320 Skill Alexander live in San Francisco on the Sports Betting Network. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.000 Chris Andrews still to come on the show, Michael Lombardi 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.600 as well. We have a rare exclusive look uh into 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.880 the mind of an oddsmaker bookmaker dot EU, namely Ray Marino. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.640 So I want to reset because we had some audio 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.000 issues there in the first segment. Ray. First of all, 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.680 thanks again for for doing this. We were talking about 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.719 during the pandemic specifically right now, and I want to 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.040 get into broader issues in a bit. But as far 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:13.200 as the SIMS versus E sports versus say, the stock market, 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.720 to the extent that you're willing to share, what is 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.920 sort of your daily well, in terms of the SIMS 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:24.000 and Madden, what is your approximate handle on on those 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.680 games or if you want to just compare them to 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:31.360 a regular sport, say the NHL, what how does that compare? 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.679 And then stock market? What are you doing that every day? 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.160 The guy that runs our NHL normally, But we're actually 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.360 writing more business than what our NHL would normally right, Um, 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.400 But in general as a whole, I think we are 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:54.640 writing approximately of what we would normally right So, I 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.800 mean it's still we still have a long way to go, 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.800 but like I said, we're keeping the lights on just 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.840 even the business functioning currently within anything else. But I'm 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.520 still amazed at the numbers, um compared to what I 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.839 thought it would be. I thought we'd be honest, waste 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.360 of time, but we had to try something. The stock 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:18.000 market writes. You know, you said on an average. Go ahead, Sorry, no, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.760 I said, so, you said fifteen percent overall. Handle what 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.000 you're doing to day versus on a normal time, a 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:30.360 different year, non pandemic overall. Correct, that's an approximation, but 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.880 it's in that general area for sure. Interesting, All right, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.320 stock market, I'm sorry interrupted, go ahead, No, Um, the 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.160 stock market has written just a ton more and I 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.240 have dreamed it would write. It writes about the equivalent 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.400 of the average of if I was right, if I 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.920 was doing two love MLB baseball games on a given 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.960 on a given day, it's it's it doesn't on a 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.000 given day, it does about, um, twice twice as much 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.280 as one baseball game. Um. What we're doing with the 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.120 stock market, what we're dealing is we're dealing what will 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.520 now genes close on that day? And what will the 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.600 SMB five hunder clothes? And I mean, we know as 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.840 much about the stock market as we know about flying airplanes. UM. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.440 So you know, Yeah, we look at the number and 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.480 we watch it move, and we just move our price 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.760 with the number, and so that influences our number, and 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.320 then the better's influence our number that is, make a bet. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.080 We move it um and assume they might know something, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.240 but uh, we're just kind of chasing our tails with it. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.000 It's a real tedious trade because you have to be 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.000 on the top of it literally the whole time. If 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.880 you blink, the market caboose seventy five eighty points and 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.760 you're taking back now that you don't want to take 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.280 it if you haven't gotten your number. Move. But but 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.800 the interest has been mind going, right, I thought we 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.120 would just um, we're just taking a shot, you know. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.840 And yeah, it's the only thing I bet consistently during 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.000 the pandemic. I bet it every day. Now, Ray you 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.720 said something there we're talking to Ray Marino for a 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.880 book acor do you Ray you said that you know 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.520 as much about that as you do about flying planes. Now, 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.640 how much of that? Because even as I hear that, right, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:14.200 my my inner sort of uh detector of well, you know, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.960 is he being serious with that? Like understand trading, I 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.560 don't understand the stock market. I mean, I've learned more 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.680 about the stock market in the last two months than 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.400 I've learned in my first foye seven years. And I 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.240 was just about watching things moving and talking to some 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.880 different people and whatnot. But I've never played the stock market. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.400 I've never gambled on it. All My gambling has been 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:40.080 on poker and sports my whole life. And uh, but 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.720 there's so many concepts that was similar, obviously, But as 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.200 far as my general knowledge of the stock market and 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.560 what makes the stock market go, I mean, I've got 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.360 general ideas, but no, I'm I'm pretty uh, I'm pretty 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.280 flueless with it as a whole. Yeah, it's fascinating because 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.320 you know, again, I was joking with one of your 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.520 cohorts yesterday. I was like, if you had over under 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.840 on twenty four thousand, six hundred in the Dow yesterday, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:09.639 that was quite a finish. Yeah, that was that. It 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.159 ended up twenty four or five nine seven and was 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.080 way higher than that a mere you know, mere minutes 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:20.439 before the closed. So some of you were over by 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:25.240 the way, So was I. Yeah, I was. I was 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.000 root for the over two and it was a as 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.840 far as stock markets go, that was about the baddest beat, 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.000 the worst beat during this pandemic that there has been. Uh, 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.320 we'll get into more an exclusive look behind the scenes 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.280 from an offshore bookmaker that is a very rare thing 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.359 to get thrilled to have him here. I'm detecting an 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.320 accent to the last, Gray Marino from Bookmaker dot even 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:52.080 about that broader concepts, fascinating stuff coming up on a 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.919 numbers game at Beast East spending them. Welcome back to 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.719 a numbers game with you, Alexander, back on a numbers game, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.080 just the man said, Keil Alexander right here at Best 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.320 and the sports betting network, Right, Marino kind enough to 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.720 join us again this hour from Bookmaker dot eu oddsmaker 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.240 over there. Uh, last thing about the stock market. I 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.680 apologize to people from be focused on this, but this 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:16.280 has been the thing that I have bet by far 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:17.959 the most during the pandemic. And you and I were 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.680 just talking off air, Um, I've noticed and maybe you've 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.480 gone back to this. So half hour before the close 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.760 of the market, we're talking twelve thirty Pacific, three thirty Eastern. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.240 You take that off, and I totally understand why, because 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.040 you know you're getting close to the end. Uh many 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.800 of us, I'm sure I'll speak for myself bet right 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.800 up to that. The farther we get to the clothes obviously, Uh, 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.240 you know, the theory being the less volatility. Obviously that 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.840 hasn't been as consistent as we'd like to be. A 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.919 couple of weeks ago, as we were talking about it 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.320 was all over the place and in the final half 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.600 hour to an hour, have you have you changed your 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.359 thinking on that? I noticed some days last week it 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.399 was taken off the board a little earlier than that. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.159 Are there some days that are I guess what I'm 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:08.200 asking where they're going a certain way for you, maybe favorably, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.399 maybe unfavorably. Where you're like, we should probably take this 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.320 down sooner today to be a completely open book. What happened, 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:17.320 I know what you should refer into now. Last week 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.920 we actually closed the market at one, and what happened 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.640 is I'm doing the stock market with another gentleman. We 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.600 we shared that, and we also share the Madden sims, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.879 which start at one. I guess they started twelve o'clock 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:36.720 pacific um and I had an emergency last week so 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.160 I wasn't around, so so he had to do both. 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.159 So he was shutting the market down at one o'clock 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.800 for a couple of days. In general, we want to 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.080 keep it up to in the neighborhood of one that 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.560 a twelve thirty and twelve thirty five Pacific the last 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.439 half hour. We kind of just we we kind of 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.280 white and wash my hands, but we definitely want to 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.679 keep it up till at least half an hour before close. 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.640 And um now, one thing we are doing. I don't 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.040 know if you've noticed that we might forget sometimes, but 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:08.000 are we want to um drop the limits. Cut the 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.199 limits in half the last hour of trade. And just 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.880 because there's more information out there, and you know, we're 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.399 noticing a lot of our sharper gamblers are coming in 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.760 a lot more late late and like I said, we 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.800 really are unknowledgeable on this subject. We're kind of weighing it. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.399 We we understand trade and concepts, we understand numbers, but 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.119 that's about the limit. That's about as far as we 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.240 go as far as this, and it's worked out. But 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.199 we know we're vulnerable at times, so UM, so we 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:39.760 do cut the limits the last hour of trade and 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.160 so generally around eleven thirty to eleven forty five Pacific time, 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.280 we'll cut the limits in half so that if maybe 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.600 Trump says something, Trump says something, the markets wil have 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.680 to go ham four hundred points just the O this 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:54.960 he says, Oh, I might say something good and the 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.360 market might rise three or four hundred points. Might everything's 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:02.359 open back up, you know, But I totally yeah, No, 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:05.200 I totally appreciate the I totally appreciate it. Right, because 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.199 as those of us are betting things like this, we 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.080 are constantly wondering, huh, I wonder why they cut the 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:12.840 limits that, oh they're cutting off at this out. I 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:17.359 mean we because these are questions that any real immersed 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.720 better has on a daily basis, and it's rare that 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.440 we get sort of an insight to some of these answers. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.879 So just again, I want to review for people because 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.000 they may not have they may not have heard. You're 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:31.120 operating at about fifteen fifteen one five percent of your 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:35.520 usual urn overall. You said the stock market on a 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.560 on a daily basis does about as well as, uh, 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.119 two major league baseball games? Did you say? Did I 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.320 get that right? Two major league things? But just the 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.400 live trading of it, not just the live the live 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.760 trade of a baseball game, right, okay? And then baseball 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.080 games that makes sense. And then as far as Madden 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.879 and Sims like, do they do as well as an 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:04.160 NHL regular season game? For instance. Yes, yes, but that's 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.160 partly because of the The NFL has been by far 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.520 our biggest volume sims. You know, we do NBA sims, 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.520 we do NHL sims, we do NBA sims, and the 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:19.840 NFL has written more volume than all the other ones combined, um, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.840 believe it or not. The second most populous sim we have, 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.480 we only run it once a week on Sunday nights 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:29.720