1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Five from our nations. This budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: do nothing the space courts. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet headlines Policy and Politics, 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: colliding to sound on with Kevin's related the insiders, the influencers, 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the insides. I would rather see a congressional solution. It's 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: part of my DNA. The Senate map in looks a 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: lot different than it looked in. You really have a 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: divide within Team Trump. The president has to do exactly 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: what people seven here to do, which is to get 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: it done. Is he's sound on with Kevin's her relate 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg one and one seven m h D two 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: botom are It is Friday afternoon. We have made it 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: to the end of the week. Will President Trump and 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: President shi Jing Ping of China meet or not? You 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: know Osaka Japan of the G twenty? Are they going 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: to meet or not? I mean, there's all of this 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: back and forth. Cudlow yesterday at the Peterson Institute. President 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Trump talking to Fox News earlier today, Happy birthday, Mr President. 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring you the latest on whether or not 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: President and President She are going to actually meet and 21 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: what President Trump has to say about that. Meanwhile, he 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: can't stop talking about FED Chair j Powell, speaking of tariff, 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: speaking of economic policy. They he keeps talking about the 24 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: FED and what he wants the FED to do with 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 1: interest rates. Meanwhile, the latest fallout from Iran Day two 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: now following Iran, according to the State Department, sinking of 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: two oil tankers and the Persian Gulf. What is the 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: President having to say about that? We have an all 29 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: star panel to walk us through all things politics and 30 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: policy looming presidential race. I spoke with the Democratic National 31 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: Committee Chairman Tom Perez about the debate stage down in Miami. 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: Just over a week. Can you believe it? Just over 33 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: a week until twenty Democratic presidential hopefuls will descend a 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Miami to have the first of what is going to 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: be a multiple night debate stage. I talked to Chairman 36 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: Perez about that. I'll play for you that interview. Also, 37 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: who is here? We've got Raoul alv Lar, democratic strategist, 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: former national political director to the Democratic National Committee, and 39 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: Lauren Claffey. She is a Republican strategist, her first time 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: on the program. We're thrilled to have her here. She's 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: a managing director at Hamilton's Place Strategies, former Deputy Assistant 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: Secretary for Public Affairs at the Department of Homeland Security. 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: The President making new headlines on trade. He says that 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter quote unquote, it doesn't matter if Chinese 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: President shi Jing Ping agrees to meet with him or 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: not later this month to continue negotiations over trade, because 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: the US is collecting This is what the President says. 48 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: The US is collecting billions of dollars and tariffs on 49 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: goods from the country. So what does that mean? What 50 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: does that mean? As the President says, what doesn't matter 51 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: if you meet President she well here to walk us 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: through that. Lauren Claffy, Republican strategist. She's a managing director 53 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: at Hamilton Place Strategies. The former DEAs for Public Affairs 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: at the Department of Homeland Security. And Raoul Alvular, democratic strategist, 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: former national political director for the d n C. Alright, Lark, 56 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: let's sorry you first of all, thanks for being here. 57 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: Of course, thanks for having me. If if President Trump 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: doesn't meet with President she, I mean, that's what happens. Well, 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: we're right where we are right now, right, I mean, 60 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: it's is it sends the wrong signal that we're moving 61 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: away from this trade war if they do not meet. 62 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: But at the same time that doesn't meet that advisors 63 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: are not working behind the scenes and there won't be 64 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: another opportunity for them to meet in the future. I 65 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: I maintain that this is once again just President Trump 66 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: throwing bluster around while he's in the middle of these negotiations. 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: We all know how he likes to kind of stand 68 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: up and bully about and puff his chest before anything happens. 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: And I think he's also lowering expectations. And is that 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: the Chinese decided that they are with the ones not 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: wanting to meet, that he can say that he called 72 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: it first. But I think that you know, it's likely 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: that the talks will continue because I mean, this escalation 74 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: is not going to benefit either nation. But well, it's 75 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: a large point. I mean, that's what I find just 76 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: so fascinating. Here's yesterday. I was at the Peterson Institute, 77 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: a cross town here in the Beltway, and I asked 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: Larry Cudlow, I said, I said, Larry, I mean, if 79 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: what are the expectations for this potential one off meeting, 80 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: Because it seems like if they're not even going to 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: have the meeting, then, I mean they're not going to 82 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: meet again until the fall. That's when President Trump and 83 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: President She would come face to face again, right, Excuse me. 84 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: And it's it's a it's a problem. Um. You know, 85 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be the guy that's the art of 86 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: the deal and where he's trying to do a deal here, 87 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: but he's he's he's messing it up from the onset. Um. 88 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: It's important again because this is a country that we 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: do business with, and this is a country that we 90 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: do a multiple billions of dollars business with, and it 91 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: just sets the wrong tone, it sets the wrong expectation, um. 92 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: And to your point, um, the bullying nous of how 93 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: this Republican president acts is not the way you're gonna 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: get anything done. And it's not gonna come to any 95 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: kind of compromise. You're not gonna have any deal and 96 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have any residue. He says he's optimistic. 97 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: President Trump says he's quote unquote optimistic. This according to 98 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: an interview that he that he gave with Fox News 99 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: earlier this morning. By the way, happy birthday, President Trump. 100 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: It is his birthday seventy three years old. We'll talk 101 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: about how he celebrated coming up on later in the program. 102 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: But here's let's let's let's hear from President himself. It 103 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: is his birthday, about what he said on FOXS News 104 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: about tariffs. Here's here's President Trump. We're gonna see eventually 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna make a deal because they're gonna have to 106 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: look at paying hundreds of millions of dollars on two 107 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion dollars and they subsidize it. Brian Well, 108 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: I hear you're manipulating the currency in order to pay 109 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: for it. So that's President Trump talking to Fox News 110 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: earlier today. Joining us in studio Lauren Clappy. She's a 111 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: Republican strategist managing director at Hamilton Place Strategies, former formerly 112 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: with the Department of Homeland Security. And Raoul Avlar, a 113 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist, former national political director for the Democratic National Committee. 114 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: So what I found interesting the two developments this week, 115 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: and we we get so into the weeds here on 116 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: trade policy because I heard out over it. But the 117 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: two big developments are number One, that the administration is 118 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: no longer guaranteeing the President Trump and President She will 119 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: meet face to face at the G twenty. They're saying 120 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: they want to have that happen. They're optimistic that it 121 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: will happen, but that it's not guaranteed. But the second point, 122 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: and this is sort of a new messaging strategy. Lauren 123 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: is in the Rose Garden. Earlier this week, President Trump 124 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: insinuated that the US is taking in billions of dollars 125 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: on tariffs. When I talked to Republican lawmakers law they 126 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: disagree with that, And when I talked to business leaders, 127 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: they say that this is providing economic uncertainty. What are 128 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: you hearing? Yeah, I would agree. I don't think that 129 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: I have not heard the billions number before, so I 130 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: think that that was maybe an exaggeration. I also think 131 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: that we've seen that President Trump doesn't fully understand how 132 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: tariffs work in regards to how the tax essentially is 133 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: passed on to consumers and American businesses. So it's not 134 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: that the US is necessarily benefiting from these terrorists. But 135 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: what I do think is interesting is this is the 136 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: first time that he is dealing with an economic heavyweight 137 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: on the world stage. And so when he's threatening tariffs 138 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and threatening these UH these different economic actions and UH 139 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: and messing with the trade policy with China. It's not 140 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: like when he does it with Mexico and they immediately 141 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: fly to the applied to the US and they have 142 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: negotiations on immigration and you know, they are out of 143 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: their minds needing to fix this immediately. China can withstand 144 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: a little pain for a bit and see and that 145 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: he they can wear President Trump down on this. And 146 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: that's where I think that we re risk the most 147 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: in this tariff for is that is that as it 148 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: continues to escalate, China may not back down. Yeah, And 149 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that the most important piece 150 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: here is that that Americans are actually suffering because of 151 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: these tariffs. And but are they got to push politely 152 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: suffering but they're not suffering enough where we see movement 153 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: in the polls. Okay, well, when you see you know, 154 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: the farmer in Iowa who's complaining or who's saying that 155 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: they can't unload their soy beans and and and they're 156 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: they're they're sitting there, you know, rotting. That's that's a problem, 157 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: and that's that actually will start to move the polls. 158 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: And actually, um, you know, polls are good for you 159 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: when they're good for you and they're bad for you 160 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: and they're bad for you. Um. You know, so it's 161 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: like a horoscope, right, um. And I will say we 162 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: uh you know, have spoken a lot to uh folks 163 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: in the steel industry and manufacturing industry, um that they 164 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: you know, you would be shocked because they are. They 165 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: really are feeling the heat from the tariffs and it 166 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: is impacting their business. They've actually had some of the 167 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: companies had to let employees go. But what's fascinating about 168 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: their position on this is they will not criticize the 169 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: president for the pain that they're feeling because they believe 170 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: full fully in their hearts that he is going to 171 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: win on this issue and that they will come out ahead. 172 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: They're willing to withstain, withstand the pain at the moment. Yeah, 173 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean I don't think. I don't think you can 174 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: sustain that the pain because the pain that eventually becomes 175 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: no intense that you can't handle it. You know. I 176 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: was fascinated by the developments with the Hong Kong protests 177 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: because I actually think it illustrates a counter argument to 178 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: the Chinese saying that they can play the long game. 179 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: Because I made this point yesterday just in some of 180 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,119 Speaker 1: the chatter from some of the other wonks in Washington. 181 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: Hong Kong's not going anywhere either, President g uh to 182 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: your well, who when you were at the d n C, 183 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: who was chairman Debbie Washing? Okay, well, I'm gonna we're 184 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: coming up. We're gonna hear from the current chairman, Tom Perez. 185 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: We'll hear what he has to say about the presidential election. 186 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: More tariff talk, more talk on the Central Bank, What 187 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: President Trump had to say about FED chair Jay pal 188 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. Lauren Clappy stay publican strategist, 189 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: managing director at Hamilton Play Strategies, Roll Out Law Stays 190 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: demn Strategists, former national political director for the d n C. 191 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: I'll stay too. It's Friday, folks, beautiful beautiful day. 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The Hatch Act, which, by the way, 202 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: was enacted in nineteen thirty nine. It says that she 203 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: can't be working inside of Pennsylvania Avenue and commenting on elections. 204 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: Remember that Doug Jones and Roy Moore Roy Moore race 205 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: back down in Alabama. That's special election. Well, Kelly and 206 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: Conway went on Fox, talked about it. Uh, and then 207 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: well that apparently violated the hat check. President Trump says, 208 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: game on. She's going nowhere. Sarah Sanders is departing the administration. 209 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: The White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham. Stephanie Grisham is 210 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: top of the shortlist I'm told to replace Sarah Sanders. 211 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: Stephanie Grisham was one of the original staffers of the 212 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: Trump campaign, the first iteration of it. She traveled extensively 213 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: with the with the traveling press Corps. I remember her 214 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: just being on the charter press plane with us going 215 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: everywhere we went. Stephanie Grisham previously having a long history 216 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: in Arizona Republican politics. She was closely aligned with Sean Spicer, 217 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: the spokesman for the Republican Party. Now she serves as 218 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: communications director to First Lady Milania Trump or Milani A 219 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: Te as President Trump referred to his wife in an 220 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: interview earlier today with Fox News. Lauren Claffy is a 221 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: Republican strategist now with Hamilton Place Strategies. Raoul alvi Lar 222 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: is a Democratic strategist former national political director for the 223 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: d n C. We're gonna hear from Tom Perez, the 224 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: chairman of the d n C. Coming up, Laura Milanni 225 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: a te He the president says, who needs another Jackieobia? 226 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: Milania Tea? Yeah, he was given her birthday president right, 227 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: or our birthday? Wish right? Wasn't it something? It's it's 228 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: the president's president's birthday. Yes, he was showing how much 229 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: he loves his wife. Okay, Milania te Um. I just 230 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: want to see you guys squirm. Yeah. First of all, 231 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: I like, there's no other Jackie. Oh there could never 232 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: ever be into the jack yet. But I mean she 233 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: doesn't need like the Tea. Last name, like everyone just 234 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: knows her is Melannia. How do you think Stephanie Grisham's 235 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: done with the First Ladies Office. I think she's on, 236 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, a great job. Yeah. I think she's done 237 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: a really great job too. And you know it's sitting 238 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: because the way that the White House functions, and I'm 239 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: sure you know this, Uh, the White House currently is 240 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: the East Wing is very separate from the West Wing, 241 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: especially in the press uh operations. And so Stephanie, while 242 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: she's been in Trump World for alignment, a close confidante, uh, 243 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, she has been not involved in the day 244 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: to day White House West Wing discussions around policy and 245 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: those types of things. So it's interesting that we know 246 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: that we know of that we know of because she hasn't. 247 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: The thing about stuff is that she has a deep 248 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: detail I mean and you know this, she has a 249 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: deep detail background in policy. So for her to take 250 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: this job, and she originally started right after the campaign ended. 251 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: She then started with the the Trump Trump transition and 252 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: she was very very closely alligned to Sean Spicer, then 253 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: worked in the West wing press shop, and then got 254 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: this promotion to be to be calms director for the 255 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: First Ladies Office. And when I say she did a 256 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: good job and not opining from a political opinion standpoint. Role, Well, 257 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: you know that I don't pick a side. What I 258 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: mean is that she has run a professional press operation. 259 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: You would agree, right, I mean, I I don't know 260 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: her personally or but you know, I would say she's 261 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: done a good job in keeping the first Lady in 262 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: outside of the limelight and outside of any controversy. I 263 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: know that it's very different from when I worked at 264 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: the White House. We had, you know, we had a 265 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: first Lady that was very active and was very out 266 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: there and always wanted to do you have an initiative 267 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. So the best is her initiative. 268 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: Wo's that the best is the first ladiest initiation. Other 269 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: names on the shortlist are Tony say he just left 270 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: the Treasury Department, top top messaging guru for Secretary Monution. 271 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: Tony has deep ties to Republican h New York Republican politics. 272 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Tony it was a poster, the poster Tony saying, Uh, 273 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: it really was the messaging arm behind tax messaging. So 274 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: Tony's up for it. Uh, steps up for it. Trying 275 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: to think who else is on the shortlist. We've heard 276 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: some other names of the mooch, did you hear this? 277 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: Did you guys hear this? I didn't hear the more 278 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: didn't hear about this? Anthony's Garamucci said in some interview today, 279 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: and I can know like mooch, Colin I uh, he 280 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: says that if if the President asked him to come back, 281 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: that he would. Well, this is the thing about these 282 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: these jobs that always come open in the administration. So 283 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: many people float their own names and so a lot 284 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: of this are you accusing to I don't buy them? 285 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: And you know they floated because they know that such inside. 286 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: So it is they know they float it to the 287 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: press to get their name out there, because then there's 288 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: a possibility of the administration going, oh, actually, that's a 289 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: fabulous idea. We should call them and bring them in. 290 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: You mean that we in town are a little bit 291 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: dramatic sometimes. Is that what you're saying? That there's one 292 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: thing about Washington and knows how to self promote. I'm 293 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: not going to disagree. All right, Well, I mean this 294 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: job is really an important job though, especially for this 295 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: White House. Why so, because you're the voice of the president, 296 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: You're you're out there giving the American people what kind 297 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: it is about what he's going to do, what he 298 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: h is for and the years supposed to give the 299 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: American people the truth and and tell them what exactly 300 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: is happening with their government within the White House. I 301 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: think even more so just with this particular climate. I mean, 302 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, Sarah Huckaby Sanders really took this role and 303 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: had to to fit it in this current climate. That's 304 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: a President Trump, and I think what you saw with 305 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Sean and how it was a very different operation under 306 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: Sean Spicer versus comparing that with someone like Sarah Sanders 307 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: after you know she was there, you know, dating back 308 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: to earlier iterations as well. Coming up, we're gonna hear 309 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: from Democrational Committee Chairman Tom Perez an exclusive interview. I'll 310 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: play for you what he has to say about the 311 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: upcoming debate down in Miami, plus that speak, what President 312 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: Trump has to say about bed chair pal. I'm Kevin Cirelli. 313 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: You can download the sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, 314 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 315 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: You can also find us, as well as my colleagues 316 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg dot com, the Radio dot com, I Heart Radio, 317 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: and Spotify Happy beautiful, beautiful Friday. 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Breaking news geo politically, President Trump saying 325 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: that Iran was responsible for attacks on oil tankers and 326 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: the Persian Gulf this week, and he vowed that the 327 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: key shipping lane will not be closed. President Trump saying 328 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: in a phone interview with Fox News, according to my 329 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: colleagues reporting on the terminal, that quote, Iran did do it, 330 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: and you know they did it. You saw the boat 331 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: at night. This all comes as the President's comments are 332 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: following American IF shows release of images that they say 333 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: show Iran was involved in an attack on an oil 334 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: tanker near the entrance to the Persian Gulf on Thursday, 335 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: one of two incidents that have raised tensions between the 336 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: US and the Islamic Republic. Meanwhile, according to my colleagues 337 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: reporting on the Bloomberg terminal. Senior Trump administration officials have 338 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: said that the US is considering They are considering a 339 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: number of responses to the attack, and this includes the 340 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: possibility of providing naval escorts to commercial ships, as well 341 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: as a military response not yet being ruled out. Patrick Shanahan, 342 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: he is the acting Devents Secretary. He spoke to reporters 343 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: earlier today on Friday, and he said, quote, we obviously 344 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: need to make contingency plans should this situation deteriorate. We 345 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: are carefully following that. I want to bring you the 346 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: latest political reaction as well. Vermonts editor Bernie Sanders of 347 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: uh Democratic presidential candidate, he said that he was concerned 348 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: that these attacks are going to be used by the 349 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: administrations as ground go to war with Iran. Prouded Democratic 350 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: presidential field, we're just over a week away. Can you 351 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: believe it? We're just over a week away or so 352 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: from the first Democratic presidential debate. The night one is 353 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: June night to is June twent candidates twenty candidates June 354 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: and June in Miami. That's a Wednesday and a Thursday. 355 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: For about a week and a half away from that, 356 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: I was able to catch up on Bloomberg Television today 357 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: with Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, Tom Perez. Here's 358 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: our exchange. Well, we set forth those criteria earlier this 359 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: year because we wanted to give them a number of 360 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: months ample time to meet the thresholds. We've done things 361 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: that we've never done before. We had a grassroots fundraising 362 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: threshold and a polling threshold, and the reason we did 363 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: that is we wanted to create alternative pathways and encourage 364 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: engagement with our grassroots. Fourteen out of the twenty met 365 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 1: actually both thresholds. Uh. And I'm excited about all of 366 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: this because I've had the privilege, Kevin, of working with 367 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: just about all these candidates, uh, and they're wonderful people. 368 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: And I think the American people are going to see 369 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: a lot of different folks that they're gonna really like 370 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: it because we're all gonna be talking about issues about 371 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: preserving healthcare, expanding access to healthcare for everyone, uh, the 372 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: issues that matter most to people. And I'm looking forward 373 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: to that debate. Well, I'm looking forward to covering it. 374 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: It's going to be incredibly, incredibly a wild ride, I 375 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: think from a political standpoint, in Miami. But I gotta 376 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: ask you governor Governor Steve Bullock. He is the two 377 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: term governor, Democratic governor of a red state, Montana. He's 378 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: criticized the d n C. You know us, he said 379 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: that there were rule changes at the last minute. He 380 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: submitted new paperwork. He feels he should be on that 381 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: debate stage. And uh. And there's two other folks as well, 382 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: including Congressman Seth Malton and the mayor Wayne mess him. 383 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: But what do you say to Governor Bullock. Yeah, well, 384 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: we we outlined the rules to Governor Bullock a long 385 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: time ago about polling and what you had to do. 386 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: I have great respect for Governor Bullock. Back in March, 387 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: on March the twelfth, there was a poll that Governor 388 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: Bullock said that he thought counted. It was actually a survey. 389 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: It was a survey that said who do you think 390 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: should be the Democratic nominee. It didn't have any names 391 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: listed on it, It just invited people to write it in. 392 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: The person who came in fourth in that survey was 393 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Um. And you know, we concluded, and I 394 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: think others have who who are in the polling world 395 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: have backed us up, that that's not a that that's 396 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: not a poll that meets the scrutiny that we had 397 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: been requiring. We informed him of that in March, and 398 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: uh I spoke personally with him a month or so later. 399 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Great regard for Governor Bullock, and it won't surprise me 400 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: at all if he's on the debate stage next month, 401 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: because he's gonna keep campaigning and he and UH Congressman Molton, 402 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: these are wonderful people. We have an embarrassment of riches, 403 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: and that's what the American people are gonna see. We've 404 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: got a deep bench and everybody has that unity of values. 405 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: We're fighting for the issues that matter most to people, 406 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: access to affordable healthcare, lowering the cost of prescription drugs, 407 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: making sure our economy works for everyone and not just 408 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: a few at the top. So there's absolutely no way, 409 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: no how, never gonna happen that Governor Bullock gets on 410 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: stage in Miami and just over a week. We created 411 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: the rules months ago. We informed all of the candidates 412 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: about the rules of engagement. We we set the field 413 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: limit at twenty Kevin, because ten people per night there 414 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: is a lot of people. We we set the polling 415 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: bar at one percent. It's it's hard to get lower 416 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: than setting the bar at one percent, and so we 417 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: thought it was a reasonable Napoleon's threshold. We added the 418 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: new fundraising threshold so that it engaged the grassroots and 419 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: gave candidates an alternative pathway. And I think what we 420 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: did was fair. I appreciate the fact that, uh, some 421 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: people didn't make it, and again I have great respect 422 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: for them, and I know they're going to continue to 423 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: campaign hard and it won't surprise me at all to 424 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: see UH Governor Bullock ran uh and or Conversor Moulton 425 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: on the Bay stage next month. That was Chairman of 426 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee Tom Perez speaking earlier today with 427 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: me on Bloomberg Television. Head over to Bloomberg TV or 428 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: on the Bloomberg Terminal or Bloomberg Radio dot com to 429 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: check out the full interview with Chairman Perez. We went 430 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: on to talk about cyber security because I'm really interested 431 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: in this dynamic. Remember back in the presidential cycle, the 432 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: d n C was hacked. They were hacked, and so 433 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: there was all a chatter following the cycle about how 434 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: to bolster cyber security, not just the Democratic National Committee 435 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: but also with the r n C. Chairman. Perez says 436 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: cyber security, from his manage point, is issue number one 437 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: for him, and he goes on to elaborate on all 438 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: the steps that the DNC has taken to better protect 439 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: themselves from hacks from foreign government's coming up panel reacts 440 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: Lauren Claffey, Republican strategist managing director at Hamilton's Place Strategies, Well, Laur, 441 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: he's still here, Democratic strategist, former national political director for 442 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: the d n C. You can download the Sound on 443 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by 444 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: downloading the Bloomberg Business App. You can also find me 445 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm 446 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: Kevin CURRELLI Father's Day is Sunday. Make sure you call 447 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: your dad, make sure you get gift in the card. 448 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg one. Yeah, this is sound on 449 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: with Kevin's here. Relate on Bloomberg one and one oh 450 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: five point seven of m h D two Baltimore. Well, 451 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: it's park to look. I love Mike. We're running again. 452 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: But you know you're talking about a long time, so 453 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: you can't put me in that position, but I certainly 454 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: would give it very strong consideration. He's a very very outstanding. Look, 455 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: it's too early for President Trump, speaking on Fox News 456 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: earlier today, did not endorse Vice President Mike Pence. Four. 457 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: It's never too early to start talking about presidential elections. 458 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: And that's why we're going to talk about with me 459 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: in studio, LaVar, Democratic strategist, former national political director for 460 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: the d n C. Lauren Claffy, Republican Strategists, Managing director 461 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: at Hamilton's Place Strategies, previously served at the Department of 462 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: Homeland Security. All right, I mean it's too early, I 463 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: guess to talk about It's not too early to talk about. 464 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: We just heard from a chairman of the d n C, 465 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: Tom Perez. Yeah. Yeah, twenty people running for president two 466 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: nights June Junound in Miami. I'll be there. Are you 467 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: gonna be there? All? I haven't decided yet, do you 468 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: mean we haven't decided? If you're a Democratic, it's in Miami. 469 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: But where didn't you go? I might have to be 470 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: in New York for what work? Um? Kind of who 471 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: are you? What kind of show are we doing on Friday? Um? Okay, well, 472 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean what do you have to do? I mean, 473 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: so I was looking at the lineup because I genuinely 474 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: am a nerd and have no life, and this is 475 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: what I do when I study these things. But they 476 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: have on the first night the June, it's like two 477 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: rounds of debates. It's like it's like it's like the 478 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: n C double A draft March madness, Democratic madness. You've 479 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: got Corey Booker, holy and Castro, the Blasio, Delaney, Gabbard, 480 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: Insley Klobuchar, O'Rourke, m Ryan and Elizabeth Warren. That kind 481 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: of like the non Biden night, I feel like the 482 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: expectations would be so much lower. And the Thursday night 483 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: you've got Biden, Bennett, Buddha, Jedge, Jilla Brand, Kamala Harris, 484 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: John hicken Looper, Bernie Sanders. So it will be Sanders 485 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: versus Biden. Swallowell Um Spiritual here, spiritual healer, Marian Williamson. 486 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: Who is I don't even I don't who is that? 487 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: You stumped me? I don't really know? Okay, but Steve 488 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: Bullock couldn't get on the stage, seriously, A two term 489 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: governor from a red state and entrepreneur Andrew Yang will 490 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: be there as well. What are you gonna watch? What 491 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: am I gonna watch? Yeah, I'm gonna watch both of them. Yeah. No, 492 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gonna be interesting to see how 493 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: it all plays out. I mean there's I mean the 494 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: fact that you have to have five uh, you know, 495 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: moderators to moderate the thing. Uh. And then I mean 496 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see how they handle it 497 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: and are they to listen to the time is up? 498 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: Are they gonna just keep going on? And um my 499 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: question is and my concern is is are we going 500 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: to actually say something, you know, or is it just 501 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: gonna wash out? Lauren? Yeah, you know, I think that 502 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: the Democrats at least start getting the benefit of the 503 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: Republicans having so many people on the debate stage and 504 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: previous elections, because this is really the first time that 505 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: they've had to deal with this issue. But I don't 506 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: know that the way that they chose who was going 507 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: to be on the debate stage is actually better or 508 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: worse than the Republicans did previously. Like not having the 509 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: kiddie stage was kind of the fear there. But I think, 510 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, they'll still be good debates. It will still 511 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: be too highly watched nights, and even if he didn't 512 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: even make the debate stage, have an opportunity for a 513 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: media frenzy for two days, and if they play it right, 514 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: they could actually get more coverage than people on the stage. 515 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: I want to you know, who really wants to be there? 516 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,239 Speaker 1: Is President Trump. Take a listen to what he had 517 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: to say about Biden and Pocahonest, here's uh and here 518 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: here's President Trump. Everybody knows Joe Is doesn't have it. Now. 519 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: I see that is doing better. I would love to 520 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: run against her. Frankly, I see that Bertie Sanders is 521 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: not doing well at all. I would have, frankly liked 522 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: to run against. I think it's probably those three. I 523 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: don't see the other ones. I really don't see it. 524 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: He doesn't see it. I mean, I think it's in 525 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: his head obviously. Um, I think obviously running for reelection. 526 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: I mean, of course he's thinking about it. What did 527 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: you but well, absolutely, But I mean the fact that 528 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: he you know, there's so many people that are running 529 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: against him because there's nothing that he has done, um 530 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: for this country. He said he was going to lower 531 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: prescription drugs. He hasn't done that. He was going to 532 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, help you know, the middle class in in 533 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: in states that he did win and he hasn't done that. 534 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: So it's just what does it make it harder or 535 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: does it help them? Or take away the talking points 536 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: for a second, respectfully, that's Friday. Uh does it make 537 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: it harder for Democrats to beat him in a general 538 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: with twenty people running for president or does it make 539 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: it easier? No? I think it's it's more difficult. Really. Wow, Wow, 540 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: I didn't expect you to say that. Why. Yeah, No, 541 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean, look, we're seeing what happened in sixteen with 542 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: the Republicans were and I'm on the record for saying 543 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: this that that one of my worst fears was that 544 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: we're going to have way too many candidates again for 545 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: those reasons. I mean, like we I'm I'm glad that 546 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: we do, and we do have a good bench in 547 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a it's a good group of folks, 548 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: but um, you know, there's something to be said. And 549 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: I maybe I'm from the old school of politics, and 550 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: twenty you you really these guys down and then you 551 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: come up with just one or two and that's your 552 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: and that's that's your guy or gal and you and 553 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: you go for that and you work for those for 554 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: those people that are running. So so it's it's it's 555 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: going to be interesting, and um it is. It is 556 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: something that I worry about, but I do believe the 557 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: one thing that we do have is that we are 558 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: talking about issues that Americans care about. All Right, well, 559 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: you know what, but crowd size here's a I mean, 560 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: this Fox News interview was just it was like it 561 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: like the President was giving material for days his critics 562 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: and his supporter a gift on his birthday. Here's the 563 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: President talking about Biden and his crowd sizes. We're gonna 564 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: be announcing on Tuesday. We have a tremendous We're announcing 565 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: in Orlando on Tuesday, and we have over a hundred 566 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: thousand people trying to get seats. One of the problems 567 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: I think Biden has he can't get crowds. I mean, 568 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: nobody goes he can't get a hundred people? Was laughing, 569 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: Did you say a hundred people? Yeah? Well, be that 570 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: we like. But it was the momentum an actual issue, Lauren, 571 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean like crowd size. I mean, I'll be honest. 572 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: I covered virtually every Drump campaign rally in the last cycle. 573 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: The crowd sizes were huge. Yeah, I mean I think 574 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: Momentum is a big thing. Enthusiasm is really the thing 575 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: right that you want to be monitoring. And I think 576 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: to his point, I don't know about the crowd sizes, 577 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: but I do know that there is an enthusiasm gap 578 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: with Joe Biden among the Democratic primary right now. And 579 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, he's pulling high because it's so early. He's 580 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: got great name, I d and everybody has positive feelings 581 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: because of his work in the Obama administration. But that's 582 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: going to fade quickly, especially as some of these people 583 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: start to rop out and people and the numbers start 584 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: to call us around someone else. Yeah. I mean, look, 585 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: I worked for the Vice president. Um and uh, he 586 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's extremely popular. People like him. There's a 587 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: reason he's doing well in states like Iowa, in fact, Nevada. 588 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: It's Nevada. Why Why because that's how they see it. Invada, 589 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: Go ahead, um and And and I mean to I mean, look, 590 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: you can't believe anything this president, this Republican president says. 591 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there was more than a hundred people and 592 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: there has been more than a hundred people at the 593 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: Vice President's rallied Um And I don't understand what the 594 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: fixation is yes, momentum is an important piece of it. Yes, 595 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: but um, I mean it's just to a point where 596 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: it's like you're because you're you're childish about it. What 597 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: was it like to work at the d when it 598 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: got hacked? Um, well it was you know, we were 599 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: doing our jobs every day. Um. Everybody was working hard 600 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: to make sure that we were going to have a 601 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: good election. Um. And it was I actually left on 602 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: the day that we actually announced that we were happy. Um. 603 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: So I left on that day. And uh it was 604 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: hard because, um, when you get hate mail at your 605 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: home because your personal address was WEEKI leaked, Um, you know, 606 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: it's not fun. Um. So so it was it was 607 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: personal for me. And uh but you know, again, we 608 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: were just doing our jobs and we were we're trying 609 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: to make sure that we had surreal to see how 610 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: it all played out and as as time as time 611 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: went on. My thanks to Lauren Clappy. What do you 612 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: think it was your first time on the show? That 613 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: was great? Would you come back? How did you? How 614 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: did I could definitely come back? You're an amazing host. 615 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: You know I appreciate that. Lauren Cloppy Republican Strategist Managing 616 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: director in Hamilton Place Strategies. Tell Kevin Madden. I said, Hi. 617 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: She's also the former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs 618 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: at the Department of Homeland Security. But all the law 619 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: Democratic Strategy just taught me how to stay Nevada and 620 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: former national political director for the d m C. I'm 621 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: Kevin cereally have a great weekend. Happy Father's Jade, all 622 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: the dads out there, you're listening to Bloomberg