1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Friday, December fifth, and should 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: a woman take her new husband's last name? Or should 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: I say it this way? It should the new husband 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: give it to her? And with that, welcome to this 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. Y'all should see her eyes 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: right now. That was just to be provocative. Let's get 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: on track here. This is about Millie. Bobby Brown started 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: a conversation the actions from stranger things. Of course, she 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: has changed her name, A woman that famous changing her 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: name at twenty one, and it got people talking. It's 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: an age old debate, is it not? 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: It has been in my life. 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: Okay, where has do you think, let's say, let's say 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: your lifetime. Has the conversationation shifted and the mindset shifted 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: because it used to be just an automatic. Yes, of 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: course it's gonna take the man's last the man's last name. 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: But what is it now in this country? I don't 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: think so, and I don't think it's changed that much. 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: I was shocked by today's as in twenty twenty five. Actually, 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: the recent the most recent Pew Research survey is from 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, and I was surprised. Now, I grew 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: up in the Midwest and the South. I live in 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: the Northeast. Yeah, I've had very different experiences based on 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 3: where I have lived, not necessarily the years in which 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: I made different decisions, but where I was living in 26 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 3: the country definitely had an impact on how it was received. 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: And nobody has to ask which was which right at 28 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: this point, but this, this isn't interesting. I found this 29 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: story interesting in the whole bunch of ways. Of course, 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: Millie Bobby Brown just got married to John bon Jovi's son. 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: What's his first name, Jake Bonjo Jake bon Jovi, And 32 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: she just came out recently and incorrect An interviewer said, nope, 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: actually my name is not Millie Bobby Brown anymore, and 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: she corrected and said what her name is? And tongues 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: are wagging. Why should we be surprised by this or 36 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: impressed by this, or intrigued by this, or applauding this 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: or disagreeing with it? What is the big deal? 38 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to Millie Bobby Brown, there are 39 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: a couple of things. First of all, obviously she is 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 3: an established actress who established her name early on. She 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: is a child actor basically because now she is I mean, 42 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: it's surprising. As long as we've known her and we've 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: been watching her, she's only twenty one, and she's already 44 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: a mom. 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: She's married, she's a mom. 46 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: This isn't something we are used to seeing in the Northeast. 47 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: I'll be honest. 48 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: In the New Jersey. His family's from New Jersey. They 49 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: live in the Northeast. This is something you see in 50 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: the Midwest. 51 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: In the South. 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: Twenty one married child, take my husband's last name. This 53 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: is not a story unheard of from the places we're from. 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: Correct, And I will go so far as to say, 55 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 3: specifically my family, my brother got married at twenty two, 56 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 3: His wife was twenty one. My parents got married at eighteen. 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: I got married at twenty three, and that was all 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: very common. Again from originally, my whole family is from Michigan. 59 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 3: We lived in Missouri for a while, and then from Georgia, 60 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: and none of that raised any eyebrows by anyone in 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: any of those areas we lived in. I will say 62 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: I was and remain the only person that I know 63 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: from any of those areas, including my family, who did 64 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: not change her last name. 65 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: I am the black sheep, I'm the outlier. 66 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: I am the person who did something different than everyone else. 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: I know in love you're in a particular business and 68 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: where that would not necessarily that that's normal. 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: But I did and made those decisions before any of that. 70 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: Okay, one thing I'm going to ask you about that, 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: But one thing about Millie Bobby Brown. Do we know 72 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: for sure she might still use it? Didn't seem like 73 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: it to me. Still use Millie Bobby Brown professionally or 74 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: quite frankly, does it matter. She's a big enough name. 75 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: Everybody knows who the hell she is and who she's 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: married to. 77 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 3: Now we don't know what's going to happen going forward, 78 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: but I can tell you exactly what happened on that 79 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: red carpet. 80 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: This is really interesting. 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: So she was on a red carpet for the fifth 82 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: season of the Netflix series of course this. You know, 83 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: we all know what she's famous for, the up what 84 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: is it? The upside down world, the stranger things that 85 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,239 Speaker 3: I know. But she's she was eleven l in this series. 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: It's a piece the start, yes, from the very beginning. 87 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: And so when she was called out on the red carpet, 88 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: her co star Noah Schnapp you know who that is. 89 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: So he actually made a joke to the person who 90 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 3: was interviewing her, saying, hey, by the way, you should 91 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: call her by her full name. I'm up to date 92 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: on it. And he said, it's Milly Bonnie Bobby Brown, 93 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: bon Jovi. He was joking, right, So she had some 94 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: fun with him and said, actually, drop the Bobby, drop 95 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: the Brown, and she said, it's just Milli Bonnie bon Jovi. 96 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: And then she said, you can actually call me Milli 97 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 3: bonbon which I thought was pretty cute because. 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: What I didn't work. Yeah, it's Millie Bonbon. 99 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 3: What I didn't realize, and I don't know a lot 100 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: of people were aware of this, but her middle name 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: actually isn't Bobby, It's Bonnie. 102 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: She said. 103 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: She just decided when she walked into this, and a 104 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: lot of actresses do this, a lot of folks, and 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: a lot of women specifically, but even men, when they 106 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 3: go into a public place or of public prominence, they 107 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: what if their name is complic You went for TJ 108 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: instead of Lutelius, right, so you know a little bit 109 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 3: about changing your name for public ease. So instead of 110 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: being Millie Bonnie Brown, she thought, she just said, she 111 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: thought it'd be fun to call herself Millie Bobby Brown. 112 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: So she changed her name for whatever reason when she 113 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: went into showbiz, but her actual name is Millie Bonnie, 114 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: and so now she wants to beilt Millie Bonnie bon Jovi, 115 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: Millie Bonbon. 116 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: Okay, that works for me. I got no problem. 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 3: So what is. 118 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: The This is always a debate and always make the 119 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: same joke. I think you hate it. You heard me 120 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: say it like a hundred times. When people asks ask 121 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: if somebody's going to take their husband's last name, say no, 122 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: we give it to you. You don't take it. This 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: is a joke. It never lands. Usually most women usually 124 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: have the same. 125 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 2: Look on the Oh god, no, I actually swallowed you 126 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 2: have that you That was uncomfortable for me. 127 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: I didn't like that at all. 128 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: I've said this twenty times and I've never liked it. 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: Like twenty times you've said it. It doesn't to it, 130 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It goes in the same vein of 131 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: this ridiculous debate. Knock yourself out. If you want to 132 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: be called by your husband's last name, do it. If 133 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: you don't, don't, Why is that not the end of 134 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: the debate. I'm not offended about you or anybody else. 135 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: You don't want you? Is a guy offended? 136 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: Yes, some men are. The answer is yes, go and 137 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: I can tell you that. 138 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: Look, I cannot explain why I felt the way I did, 139 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 3: but I think it was around eleven. I was living 140 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: in Saint Louis, and I think that's when it first 141 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: dawned on me that women typically in this country specifically, 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: And we'll get into that because it's very interesting globally 143 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: how different cultures in different countries address this issue. But 144 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: I think it first dawned on me that, oh my god. 145 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: And I was a young girl who was so excited 146 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: and swept up in romance, wanted to get married, but 147 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 3: suddenly the idea of changing my last. 148 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: Name really jarred me. 149 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: And it was right around eleven years old, and I 150 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: remember I walked downstairs and I said, just so you 151 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: guys know, I'm never changing my last name, and they 152 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 3: laughed at me and they're like okay, and I just 153 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. I felt impassioned by it. I was like, 154 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: this is who I am, this is how I'm regarded, 155 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 3: this is how I think of myself. And it seemed 156 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: strange to me to lose a part of who I was, 157 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: to take on something that I wasn't yet and didn't 158 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: know that I wanted to become. 159 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's weird. 160 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 3: I can't really explain it. But I felt strongly about it, 161 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 3: and I was the outlier. 162 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: But that's fine. You do you everybody else. 163 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: It's not fine with everybody. 164 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: Though, but it's fine, of course it is. Why does 165 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: anybody have a problem with what your individual choice is? 166 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: Why do you have a problem with anybody else's You 167 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: don't knock yourselves out? Who cares do it or don't 168 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: do it? I just I don't know why criticism of 169 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: anyone for doing it or not doing it. A guy 170 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: being upset at a woman not wanting to call She's 171 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: had a name for thirty two years of her life, 172 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: and now she's gonna marry you, and you're upset she 173 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: doesn't want it now. I like the idea of it. 174 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: I like the idea of a family unit. I that part. Oh, 175 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm all for it. I wow, we're gonna get mad. 176 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: Who's mad on either side? 177 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: You're a progressive man? God upset? 178 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: Yes? 179 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,239 Speaker 2: Yes, there are certain. 180 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: Expectations I think, especially in this country, that a woman 181 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 3: would take her husband's name. Now, let me ask you this. 182 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 3: You've been married before, has any woman not taken your 183 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: last name? No? Okay, so when we get married, if 184 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 3: I do not take your last name. It sounds like 185 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: you're not going to be upset. 186 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: Now and the least. But what am I supposed say? 187 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: Do you have any expectation? Would you like it? I 188 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: would you like it? If I changed my last name? 189 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: It would be fun. Oh it would be a blast. 190 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: Oh god, it would be fucking incredible. Oh yes, god, yeah, 191 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: why would you like it? I'm curious because of what 192 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: I just described. You're a home. You're a unit, right. 193 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: We we buy houses, we buy cars, all right, these 194 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: things we purchased, now I have two different last names 195 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: on them. Okay, that's fine, people do it. But yes, 196 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: there's something about that that feels like a unit. 197 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: I like the idea of it too, like one hundred percent. 198 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: I am with you. 199 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: I get it. We're a unit. 200 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: And there are countries who actually demand it. Among them Japan, 201 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 3: where you have to if you are married, you have 202 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 3: to have the same last name. Now, it doesn't have 203 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 3: to be the man's last name. It almost always is. 204 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: But you could take yep, you could take the females Last. 205 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: Week would you want me to do that? Uh huh, 206 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: here we go. 207 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: I would never ask you to, you know I would 208 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 3: want me to. If I know, I wouldn't why you 209 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 3: wouldn't what I wouldn't want you to? 210 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: Okay, if I said, I just want to make this gesture, 211 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: I think it would be nice we have the same. 212 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: You would you know, so I can actually tell you 213 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: what my idea would be. Let's hyphenate or let's drop 214 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 3: our middle names. You don't even have a middle name, 215 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 3: so let's figure out something that's us together. I would 216 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: be willing to do that. I like the idea of that. 217 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: I know it's complicated. I know it's much simpler for 218 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: one person to say, fine, let's just take your last name. 219 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: I get it. 220 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: But you, little miss, I don't want to change my 221 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: last name since I was eleven. The guy is coming 222 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: to you and saying, hey, I will change my last name. 223 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: I would like to, and your response to me is what. 224 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: I for the same reasons that I don't want to 225 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: change my last name, I wouldn't want to place that 226 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: expectation on you. But you're not. 227 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: You're not okay. 228 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: You told me you want to Yes, for. 229 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 4: Whatever reason, I don't like it because now it feels 230 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 4: like I'm responsible. It's funny like I've never thought about that. 231 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 4: I've never even asked, And I'm just being honest. It 232 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 4: feels what strange? Okay, why it feels strange? 233 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: Man? 234 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: Yes, because I would. My question would be why would 235 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: you want? 236 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Because I want our family to be one name unit. 237 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: We're not having kids together, so that's even stranger to me. 238 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: We don't know that. 239 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 3: I can pretty much assure you. Other than adoption. I 240 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 3: can't imagine how it would be possible. But the point 241 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: being is I fine, that's my own. 242 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: Sciat all. 243 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: I don't know imprinting where I somehow think that feels 244 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: strange and I would never not only I would never 245 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 3: expect it, but I wouldn't ask it, and I don't 246 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: think I would want it. 247 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: I'm being honest. I don't think I would want it. 248 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: To change names, that is my preference. 249 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Okay, how about this, then, sweetheart, would you change your 250 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: last name once we get married. 251 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 3: I would be open to the idea of hyphenating my name, 252 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: but I would not lose Roeboch. 253 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 2: I would not. 254 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: It's just been with me. It's part of who I am. 255 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: It's part of my family, and I understand that's on 256 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: my dad's side. I understand my mom's maiden name of 257 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: Stoffel is not a part of my name at all, 258 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 3: and I do think that's sad too. But at the 259 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: end of the day, I wouldn't lose roboch. No. 260 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be willing. 261 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: I would be willing to lose my middle name, mostly 262 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 3: because I just don't really like it that much, but 263 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be willing to lose my last name. 264 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: Would you be willing to give up your last. 265 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: Name already just established? 266 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: But you were saying it in a hypothetical scenario, like 267 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: genuinely you would say, Okay, I will drop. 268 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: Holmes from my name. 269 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my goodness, Why haven't you then if it 270 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: wasn't drop name and changed what to whoever your wife's 271 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: last name? 272 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: Was it up? 273 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: Okay? 274 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: This first time I've had such a discussion. 275 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: Obviously, it's not typical or normal. 276 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: In fact, I do believe I have the percentages on that, 277 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: and it was actually more than I thought. I want 278 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: to get it right, Okay, this is so funny. I 279 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: believe it is five percent of men, which was more. 280 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: Than I thought. 281 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: Wait, I want to make sure I could this right, 282 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: and like one percent hyphenate, but less than five percent 283 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: have actually changed their name. 284 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: And that was a higher percentage than I thought. 285 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: I thought there'd be a higher percentage of hyphenation. 286 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: It was only one percent hyphenated men only like women. Yes, 287 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: much higher. Well, actually, this is kind of insane. Only 288 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: fourteen percent of women in this latest Pew Research Center 289 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: survey kept their maiden name in the United States, so 290 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: I am in the vast minority. And five percent chose 291 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: to hyphenate. So we're going to go with about twenty 292 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: percent of women in this country currently kept either their 293 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: own last name or hyphenated their last name. But eighty 294 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: percent of women have changed their name to their husband's name, 295 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: so it is a huge majority of women in this 296 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: country have chosen to do it. I didn't realize that 297 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: I was in such a minority. I knew I was 298 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: in a minority. I didn't realize it was that significant. No, 299 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to be actually not even at all. 300 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: The only thing I will say is, given my history 301 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: in marriage, it actually created a lot less headaches. I 302 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: didn't have to go to the DMV as often, but 303 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: for me was more of a It was just something 304 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: that was inside of me. It wasn't something I read 305 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 3: or something I wanted to some thing I wanted to 306 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: like put out there, or some line in the sand 307 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 3: I wanted to draw. 308 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: It was just a personal preference. So that is interesting. 309 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: And anyway, it turns out that yes, in this country, 310 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: most women keep their last names. But do you know 311 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: who is most likely to keep their last names? We 312 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: have that information for you. Pretty interesting and the history 313 00:16:54,280 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: behind taking your husband's name. Welcome back everyone. We are, 314 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: of course talking about Millie Bobby Brown. I guess now 315 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 3: she will be known as Millie Bonnie bon Jovi. And 316 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: she's at twenty one, married to Jake bon Jovi, of 317 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: course John bon Jovi's son. They just welcome to child 318 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: into their lives. And she made it known to everyone 319 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 3: that she is changing her last name. Actually maybe uncommon 320 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: when we think about Hollywood starlet's or women who have 321 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 3: made a name for themselves in entertainment, but she joins 322 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 3: the vast majority of American women eighty percent of women 323 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 3: who take their husband's last name after marriage. Now can 324 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 3: you imagine I'm just curious, babe, because you didn't look 325 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: at these statistics, who is most likely to keep their 326 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: last name in this country? Can you think of like 327 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 3: if you were to describe a woman, who would be 328 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 3: the woman who would keep her last name? Younger versus yes, 329 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: all of that age younger versus older younger Obviously, twenty 330 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: percent of married women ages eighteen to forty nine say 331 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 3: they kept their last name, compared with just nine percent 332 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: of women who are ages fifty and older. 333 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: That makes sense. How about education? What would you think. 334 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: Higher percentage of lower educated? 335 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, so twenty six percent of women with a postgraduate 336 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: degree kept their last name. Thirteen percent of those with 337 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: a bachelor's degree or less took their husband's last name. 338 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: So, yes, you are correct. How about Republicans versus Democrats? 339 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: This is Republican. 340 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: Yes, a pretty big distinction. 341 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 3: Yes, Democratic women are the most likely to say twenty 342 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: five percent of them say they kept their last name. 343 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: Just seven percent of Republican women said they kept their 344 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: last wame. 345 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: Why are they so obvious about us? 346 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 2: I don't know, it is obvious. 347 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm not so smart or anything, but. 348 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: It was obvious. 349 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 350 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: How about this? Among can you? Can you get this? 351 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: One might throw you? 352 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: What and well, any of the above, any race that 353 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 3: you can think of, Hispanic, Asian, white, Black, Yes. 354 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness, the highest percent, My goodness, what was 355 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: the black as. 356 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: The highest Hispanic women. 357 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 3: Thirty percent of Hispanic women say they kept their last name, oh, 358 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: compared to just ten percent of white women and nine 359 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 3: percent of Black women. So Hispanic women are far more likely. 360 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: And by the way, black women are more likely than 361 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 3: any other race to hyphenate their name with their spouse's name. 362 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: I thought that was. 363 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: Interesting as well, and I think most of us know 364 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: the history behind taking a man's name, and I don't 365 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: even think this played into any of my decisions. But obviously, 366 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 3: at some point in our lives, English common law women 367 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 3: didn't have rights. We couldn't vote, we couldn't own property, 368 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 3: and so yes, we had to join one family from 369 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: the other. So we left our father and we had 370 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: to then join our husband, and that is how we 371 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: had any right. 372 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: It was through our husbands. 373 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 3: That was who we had authority through, and therefore we 374 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 3: took their last name to have some sort of legal 375 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: standing or some sort of legal right. 376 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: And so that was the history behind it. 377 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 3: Although that's not necessarily why women make the decisions they make. 378 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 2: But I thought this was interesting. 379 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: Did you know that in Spain and in Latin America, 380 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: women traditionally keep their maiden names and children are given 381 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: both of their parents' surnames. 382 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: I did not know that. H that reads that works okay. 383 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: Also, interestingly, in China and Korea, women typically keep their 384 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: last names even after marriage. But in all this idea 385 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 3: of like, oh, women aren't property and we aren't owned 386 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 3: by our husbands, I thought this was one of the 387 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: most interesting facts that I found just researching this Middle 388 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 3: Eastern and Muslim countries. It is the custom for women 389 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: to keep their names after marriage. They are not taking 390 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: their husband's name, and so in these cultures that we 391 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: might assign this idea that somehow women are the property 392 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 3: of men, they don't have rights. Those are actually the 393 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: countries where women keep their last names, so obviously to 394 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 3: each his own. I've never ever felt any way about 395 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 3: a woman who chooses to change their last name. I 396 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: think that's awesome. I think I kind of wished I 397 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: wanted to and leaned into it. I just I've never 398 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: not only have I not felt the desire, I just 399 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: I don't know I felt vocal about it. Maybe that 400 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: was off putting. I'm not sure, but I appreciate the 401 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: fact that you're cool either way. And I actually haven't 402 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: even made a decision about what we will do when 403 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 3: we get married, but I'm kind of open to at 404 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 3: this point in my life. I do like the idea 405 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: of unity. I do think that's cool. 406 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: All right, got to rethink this thing now, so funks. 407 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you spending some time with us 408 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: on behalf of my dear amy always Robock, I'm Lutilius Robock. Potentially, 409 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: we'll talk to y'all soon.