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Speaker 1: I like in this game upset Gonzaga. Yeah, I don't know.

427
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: I really I really like Mark Few And I think

428
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: that Jalen Suggs being the best freshman in the country

429
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: but being the third best player on the team for

430
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Gonzaga means this is a really Yeah. I think it

431
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: means this is a really special year for them, And

432
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: so if somebody beats them, I think it's a true

433
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: upset and not a bad seating or anything like that.

434
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: I genuinely think that if Myron Metcalf got one thing right,

435
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: I think that's that Gonzaga is the best team in

436
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: the entire tournament. Um. And I know that people would

437
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: want to make an argument for Baylor or whatever, but

438
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: that's who, honestly, George, that's who I want to see.

439
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: I would like to And I know that that the

440
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: odds of something like this happening are, you know, pretty astronomical.

441
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: But if we ran into a situation where where I

442
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: have to be a championship right where you had Oregon

443
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: running up or or U c l A running up

444
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: against Baylor. WOULD love to see a Pack twelve team

445
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: test that Baylor defense, because all I ever hear about

446
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: is that it is legit. And I would love for

447
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: a Pack twelve team to be responsible for making sure

448
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: that Baylor never wins again, because I'm still not over

449
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: some of that crap that they did ten fifteen years ago. Geez, yeah,

450
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: nothing nothing good for Baylor ever. Oh well, like they

451
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: try to set up a dude as a drug deal

452
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: I just and then they hired Ken Starr to be

453
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: like their university president. I don't have any Yeah, but

454
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: if Baylor loses, I don't feel bad. That's I don't

455
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: hate Baylor. I'm not. It's not like like a Notre

456
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: Dame level of hate that people have, just hating their existence.

457
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: But if nothing good ever happens for them doesn't bother

458
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: me at all. Hold hold on, hold the hell on.

459
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: I just realized what you did. What So you did

460
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: something that I would do and I missed it where

461
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: I just gave everybody the rundown. And so you know

462
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: how sometimes things land really late. Sometimes. Yeah, I sat

463
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: there and I gave everybody the history on what happened.

464
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: Then you gave me a compliment and then smacked me

465
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: with a glove, like like, hey, George, see you are

466
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: a very entertaining inner gate engaging person. That's why you've

467
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: had so much success in your career. But that was

468
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: the most boring story I've ever heard in my whole

469
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: But it's not your fault. I cannot be interested in

470
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: the mental battle waged over a Pack twelve regular season

471
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: title in which nobody even played the same amount of games,

472
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: nor did they get twelve tournament. So then here's more

473
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: of the champion, Oregon or Oregon State. I already, from

474
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: year to year can't tell you who wins the Pack

475
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: twelve regular season title because the thing the conference tournament

476
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: is the only thing that matters to me. And then

477
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: if you're good enough to get in, you're good enough

478
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: to get in. I don't care about but I will

479
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: say that I think the disrespect for the Pact twelve

480
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: that that you're talking about, You know, I don't think

481
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: we're manufacturing of the Myron Metcalf thing is just one

482
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: half of it. But you see, l A being in

483
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: the playing game was disrespectful. It absolutely was u CEE.

484
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: L A for a really long portion of the season

485
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: was the best team and then they kind of fell

486
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: off towards the end. But that same thing happened to

487
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: Wisconsin where they were the best team in the Big

488
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: Ten and then they fell off, and then they got

489
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: the respect of being able to be given a nine seed.

490
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: Yep seed, that's the seed. That's the difference is because

491
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, the Big Ten's undefeatable. They're

492
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: the best thing ever. And then here comes the Big

493
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: Twelve them too. Yeah that when Texas works over per

494
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: due and then gets blown out by Villanova. Great jobs

495
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: seeding the tournament. Guys, that's fifteen teams, right, No, I'm sorry,

496
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: that's nine plus five. I've wait, did did the Big twelve?

497
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: The Big Twelve got six teams in, right, So that's fifties.

498
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: That's fifteen teams out of fifteen teams. That's what. That's

499
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: a little less than a fourth of the entire tournament field.

500
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Between those two two conferences, only two teams still alive

501
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: in the final sixteen. All right, all right, all right, um,

502
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: the pack twelve. The Pack twelve is, though gonna get

503
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: Ralph brought it up a huge cash infusion from the

504
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: n C Double A tournament, and I'm not gonna bore

505
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: everybody again, but here's the way it works. Every game

506
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: equals one unit, and the units are earned, and the

507
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 1: units earned our pool together and then they're carried for

508
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: for the conference for six years. So then the Pact

509
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: of receives an annual check from the n C Double

510
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: A based on the number of units collected over the

511
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: rolling six year period, and each unit this year will

512
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: be worth about three hundred thousand dollars over the pay

513
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: cycle or so. So so far, the PAC twelve has

514
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: banked uh, fifteen units, well actually sixteen technically because USC

515
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: will be playing I'm sorry, either USC or Oregon will

516
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: be playing in the next game in the Elite, So

517
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: that's sixteen units already. That's a big deal. So now

518
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: you're looking at oh, oh geez, so that's sixteen units.

519
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: How how many is that, Ralph? Sixteen units times? Oh man,

520
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm a lip lip major literature major. Okay, here, Oh,

521
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: that's four point eight million total, Okay, four point eight million,

522
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: and that's going to and that is and that goes

523
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: So to make to make a long story short, how

524
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: how it works is is that then that money is

525
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: div peat up across every single team throughout the throughout

526
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: throughout the conference. So to make a long story short,

527
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: each team in the conference is gonna get well over

528
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: well over to almost three million dollars a year just

529
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: from this tournament performance. And I think that that is

530
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: huge for the conference. Huge because I mean, like, that's

531
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: the buy out of a basketball coach. That's uh, you

532
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: know some of the other athletic revenue department revenue Like

533
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: this is huge in a COVID year. To have this

534
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: additional income that's been able to be really good. Yep, No,

535
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: it's great. And I as much as I love Joe,

536
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: heally one of the coolest guys I've ever met my

537
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: entire life. He is adamantly against back the pack. And

538
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to present to you his argument because I

539
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: did not actually know that his back the pack argument

540
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: spilled over into basketball. Um, so let me see if

541
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: I can find this for you. He said, it's my

542
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: hold dream that everything hold on one second round. I

543
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: need like five. So that brings me to this this, Uh,

544
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: Joe Healy take because he's probably the most notorious non

545
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: back the pack guy. He believes very much that um

546
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: that there's limited resources, therefore anybody getting something takes away

547
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: from you. Like that's his philosophy. But I didn't understand

548
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: that Joe Healey's philosophy actually extended into basketball. I thought

549
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: it was just a football thing as far as rooting

550
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: for people to win bowl games and everything like that. Um,

551
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: but he actually put that out there that he believes

552
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: it in basketball as well. He said, it's my hope

553
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: and dream that every Pack twelve team other than Arizona

554
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: State University always loses every single game of sport it

555
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: ever plays, to which someone told him, um, Pack twelve

556
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: rings the cash registered, which benefits all, not anyone's fault

557
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: other than our own, that we are UM runners up

558
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: in everything, and uh, Joe Healey said, yes, But my

559
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: simple take has shared money doesn't offer a competitive advantage

560
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: to Arizona State and individual schools advancing and getting the

561
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: spotlight helps their recruiting, which gives them a competitive advantage

562
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: over opponents that include a s U. And the metaphor

563
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: that he used just said, if it's chess day and

564
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: there's a guy who can bench a hundred pounds more

565
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: than me metaphorically Oregon to USC. I don't want there

566
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: to be two available benches so we can both work

567
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: and he can maintain that gap. I want there only

568
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: to be one bench for me so I can close

569
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: the gap. What do you think of that? Okay? So,

570
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: so that's a nice theory, right, But the the truth

571
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: theory is a rising tide lifts all ships in that

572
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: and that that that means that Arizona States ceiling is lower.

573
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: Because if if the rest of the Pack twelve sucks,

574
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: recruits don't want to come to the Pack twelve, that

575
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: means that Arizona State's recruiting pool is going to be lower.

576
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: Like here's the here's here's a quick story. Kyle Brady

577
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: when I showed up to Jacksonville, he told me this story.

578
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: I think I've told it before, but I'll tell the

579
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: quick version. I remember my rookie year. I made some

580
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: plays in camp and Kyle's chair for he was like, yo, gee,

581
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: good job, dude. That was amazing, Like, Yo, that was

582
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: a dope ass route. That was a great block, great catch.

583
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: He used to cheer me on it. One day, I

584
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: was like Kyle, I don't understand I'm trying to take

585
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: your spot. Why are you happy for me when I

586
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: do good things? Here's response was he laughed at me.

587
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: He was like, Georgia, I don't think you get it yet.

588
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: I was like, no, we're competing for the same job.

589
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, but we're not just competing with

590
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: me and you. We're competing with everybody else outside of

591
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: here too. He said, just because if you do bad

592
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: and I just do a little bit better, that does

593
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: not mean that I get the job. He said, if

594
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: we both performed below what they think the standard is,

595
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: they'll fire both of us and bring new new people in.

596
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: He said, So I don't have to root for your

597
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: failure because your failure does not mean my success. That

598
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: your your failure just means that there's gonna be a

599
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: new body coming in. So I want you to do

600
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: well and me do well. So he was like, because

601
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: I actually like you, so uh so I just and

602
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I control how well I do, I don't control how

603
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: well you do. So if I do, if and and

604
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: and he said, I believe in my heart that if

605
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: I perform my best, I'm better than you. And you

606
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: probably believe that if you perform your best, you're better

607
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: than me. So so we don't have to root for

608
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: the other person's failure because the other person's failure does

609
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: not ensure that you succeed. And that's the same thing

610
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: with the Pack twelve. That's why back in the pack

611
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: is the optimal solution. Look at the SEC. The SEC

612
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: gets all that ancillary love from everybody. Oh, the SEC

613
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: is so great. But if you take Alabama out of it,

614
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: aside from uh Tim Tebow winning over a decade ago

615
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: and Cam Newton fallen into a national championship, what else

616
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: do they have? I mean, Auburn just fired a coach,

617
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: Florida went through a drought before Dan Mullen, and this

618
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: Dan Mullin era hasn't exactly been unscathed either. So it's

619
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: like the SEC gets so much credit because Alabama is

620
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: so great. Yeah, I would say, all you have to

621
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: do is reverse it, um and don't don't make it

622
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: about money, make it about recruits. Okay, so everyone in

623
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: the conference gets a four star recruit, you included, Okay,

624
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: then you have to trust in your school and your

625
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: system to do the most with that four star recruit.

626
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: Forget what everybody else is doing. You want better recruits

627
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: so that you you can make the most of your situation.

628
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: And I think if you phrased it that way, then

629
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: it's not about the money at all. It's you trust

630
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,959
Speaker 1: your people to do the most with what they get.

631
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: I think being somebody who is not back the pack

632
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: means that you don't actually trust your school to do

633
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: the most with one they get, and in your distrust

634
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: for your school and their ability, you root for ill

635
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: to befall everyone else. Now, the other side of that

636
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: would be some people would just rather be Boise State

637
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: fans in the Mountain, Western Gonzaga fans in the West

638
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: Coast Conference. And I get that, but we're up here

639
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: with the big boys and everybody's got resources. Dude. That

640
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: was a word right there, Ralph, that was a word.

641
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, So anybody who's out there that is not

642
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: back back to pack, fixure, fix your thinking, man, fix

643
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: your thinking, because you are way off base here. Um.

644
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: The next thing up is the next thing up is

645
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: the Pack twelve networks. The Pack twelve networks are in

646
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: a situationation where they are in a situation where people

647
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: believe that they should be closed down, that they should

648
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: be closed closed up shop and that the conference needs

649
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: to rethink everything it does. That's a quote. And the

650
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: seventeen percent drop over the last two years in terms

651
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: of in terms of subscribers, so it used to have

652
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: seventeen point nine million, now it's down seventeen. They're down

653
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: a fifteen million, and it keeps falling and falling and falling,

654
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: and it is actually sorry, it's that it's down a

655
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: fourteen point eight million. And the whole way that they

656
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: tried to put it together was faulty from the beginning.

657
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: The idea that you were gonna have these separate networks

658
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: and then the rights were going to be so valuable

659
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: at at the end, that would have made sense for

660
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: like if the winning had had happened, But truthfully, I

661
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: don't even think that that would have worked either, because

662
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: the most important ability in life is availability, and the

663
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: NFL has given us this this model. The NFL state

664
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: like they had more money opportunities in their new TV

665
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: contract deals to go to streaming only right, and Amazon

666
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: would have paid them two hundred billion dollars to be

667
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: able to have the entire NFL network path all their games.

668
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: But instead of taking two hundred billion dollars. They're taking

669
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten billion and UH and making sure

670
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: that they're that they're available to everybody. That means a

671
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: hundred and so that means fifteen to seventeen million viewers

672
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: every single game, and then in big games, you're gonna

673
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: get up to twenty millions. And they know that being

674
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: on CBS, being on Fox, being on NBC is more

675
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: important than being on uh then more important than their

676
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: Monday night football games on ESPN. But that's why ESPN

677
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: pays double for their is for their Monday night football package.

678
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: The SEC did it with CBS. So that's why the

679
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: Pack twelve when their new TV, when they're negotiating their

680
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: new TV deal next year, CBS and NBC have to

681
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: be the answers. They have to be the answers. Anything

682
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: else you're going to meet your demise. I mean, I

683
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: mean that that's I don't know, but I don't know

684
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: a better way to put it. I don't. It just doesn't.

685
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't. You need literally everything that that that you

686
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: can get if you're this conference. You see the disrespect

687
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: that it got leading into the tournament. That comes from

688
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: a limited ability. I mean, I'm about to experience as

689
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm moving to the East Coast and I already have

690
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: a limited ability to watch the conference, and I freaking

691
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: live in Phoenix, right, so you know now now that

692
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: the deck is going to be completely stacked against me

693
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: as far as just being able to keep up. And

694
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: we had my gam on the on the on our

695
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: show last week and talking about how when he moved

696
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: out here he noticed the the existence of the East

697
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: Coast bias um and that it was an actual real thing,

698
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: and so, um, you're you, You're going to availability is

699
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: going to be your best ability. I would rather the

700
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: conference give away games for free than get paid in

701
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: such a way that would limit people's ability to even

702
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: see the product. Yep, one agree with that, dude, One

703
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: agree And and people would ask, Okay, so what happens

704
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: to the Olympic sports and all that stuff. Well, I

705
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: do think that those places should have a home, But

706
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: those are probably gonna gonna have to live on a

707
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: subscription model because there are people that do want to

708
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: watch it. But then and then maybe the conference subsidizes

709
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: some of the additional money if that's necessary. But you know,

710
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: I think that there's one way to do it, in

711
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: a way to Pack twelve has been doing. It has

712
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: not worked um now at this time. Though for one

713
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: of our favorite parts of the show where we read

714
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: our reviews, we have this is one of the best parts.

715
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: So you guys make sure that you guys continue to

716
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: leave reviews for the podcast and because it's fun to

717
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: read them and our text messages as well. On the

718
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Speaker 1: Secret Test Tectosto line eight seven, And we do have

719
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: new reviews. What do we what do we have? Rolph Okay,

720
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: so we got one, uh from this last Friday. It

721
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: is from Ducks Win, so I think we can assume

722
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: uh what they are a fan of um. It says

723
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: that the title of this review is new Teams to

724
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: Pack twelve slash State of Oregon Basketball. And here's the review.

725
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,959
Speaker 1: It says you mentioned adding Gonzaga as a basketball only team.

726
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: By the way, George, it's not pronounced Gunzaga. I would

727
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: look at San Diego State as well. Heck, I'd look

728
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: at them as football and basketball edition love the pod.

729
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 1: Weird you didn't recognize both Oregon and Oregan State men's

730
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: and women's teams making the Big Chance for the first

731
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: time in the same year. And this is a five

732
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: star review, and now is our opportunity to actually give

733
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: both Oregon and oregant that that recognition of being on

734
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: the uh the men's side and the women's side. And

735
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: I think I actually had the women's bracket pulled up

736
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: and I know on rights are wrong. We got very

737
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: much into the uh calling out of the n C

738
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: Double a um by Oregon women's basketball team and players,

739
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: um in general. But I don't know if you wanted

740
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: to kind of give an update on that, George, Yes,

741
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: so um so right now, just just in the the

742
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: women's basketball tournament that they've so Oregon and Oregon State. Dude,

743
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: that's a huge deal, Dude, that is one a big

744
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: deal for all four teams to still be in the

745
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: tournament and the women, both the Oregon women and the

746
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: Oregon State women won their initial matchup. Now Oregon State

747
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: play South Carolina, which is gonna be a tough game,

748
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: uh and Oregon plays Georgia, which is gonna be a

749
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: tough game as well. But hopefully both went because I

750
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: backed the pack because it's the right thing to do,

751
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: backing the pack. So yeah, so there's that, UM. But yeah,

752
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: with the with the women's tournament, though, I firmly believe

753
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: that that, and I stand by what I said. And

754
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: that's why the question was asked, is Larry Scott a

755
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: better leader or is Mark Emritt, president of the n

756
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: C double a better leader? And I'm sitting there like yo,

757
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: Mark Mark emirates a clown like he now is talking

758
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: about Oh, I'm gonna take the reins of the investigation

759
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: about what's going on in the women's tournament. There's the

760
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: weight room which we talked about, which their weight room

761
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: is was inadequate. They got ten dumbbells and the men

762
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: got tens of squat racks. Oh, George, but women don't

763
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: live weights. Yes, they do dumbo. They their athletes. Athletes

764
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: do athlete things. They get stronger, they lift weights, they squat,

765
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: they they also they clean, they dead lift, they do

766
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: all of the things. They get on treadmills. That all

767
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: the things that the men do, the women do the

768
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: same thing to compete at their sports. I mean insanity.

769
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: But and then there was also the issue of the

770
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: PCR testing that the men were getting every day versus

771
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: the versus the testing that the women were getting, which

772
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: was the antigen testing which we know for the coronavirus,

773
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: which we know comes up more false positives. There are

774
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: false negatives like it's just completely unreliable in terms of

775
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: the medical community that there in terms of the definitive

776
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: about whether to cancel the game. Canceled you know, quarantine people,

777
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: they give them PCR tests after So why would you

778
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: give the women anything different? I think it's to me,

779
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: it's less sexism. I think their end result is sexism,

780
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: the end result of sexism. It's basically the same exact thing,

781
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: but it's less sexism and more of them worshiping the

782
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: their god, which is the almighty dollar. Right. So well,

783
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: the women have a million dollar contract with ESPN's not

784
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: chump chained, but it's not a billion. I think your best,

785
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: your best and brightest are always going to go to

786
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: make making sure that you can secure the bag. And

787
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: I think that they've taken um the women for granted,

788
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: the standard needs to be the standard. If a standard

789
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: exists for your student athletes, then that needs to be

790
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: maintained across the board, and there's absolutely no excuse for it.

791
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: And when it's not maintained across the board. You look

792
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: at the two things that are different. Thing one is

793
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: the money, and thing too is the gender. I'm choosing

794
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: to believe that the n C Double a UH, which

795
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: is made up of a lot of very highly ed

796
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: ja caded female employees in addition to just you know,

797
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: big bad Mark Emmert or whatever. Um, I'm choosing to

798
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: believe that this is an issue of the the They're

799
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: they're taking care of the biggest cash cow at the

800
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: expense of the other cash cow, right, and so that's

801
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: what I'm choosing to believe. I am not. I am

802
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: not of the belief that people within the n C

803
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: Double A are looking at the female student athletes and

804
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: saying disgusting, those gross women should be in the kitchen

805
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: and not out of the basketball court. Therefore, we're going

806
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: to give them the second best of everything. I don't

807
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: think that's the case at all. I think that it's

808
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: just a general cultural of general culture of taking for

809
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: granted anything that is not the main driver of attention

810
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: and and and finances. Oh and and then there's the

811
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: issue about the freaking pictures. Do the pictures so like

812
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: they're picked? Like you know, when when you're writing articles,

813
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: you attend an event, there are pictures available on the

814
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: site and for the men pictures of the first four

815
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: every single game, but then the women's there aren't pictures

816
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: or transcripts of the interviews available, So how the hell

817
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: are you supposed to do the job or cover to

818
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: cover to the tournament properly. The transcripts aren't even available

819
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: until after the Sweet sixteen. What's absolutely corny. And so

820
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: what they're telling you is what they're telling you is

821
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: we are allocating resources to what we believe is the biggest, um,

822
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: the biggest deal for us, that draws the most attention,

823
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: that has the has the most interest, has the most

824
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: money involved, and um, but that this is a nonprofit

825
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: that traffics and amateurism, and so that there shouldn't be

826
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: a difference in treatment. And I'm here to say that,

827
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: like any difference in treatment at all is wrong. I

828
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: don't care how much one person likes one thing over another.

829
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how that vibes with your view, George, of

830
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 1: like when we talk about the Pack twelve and who

831
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: should be running it, that their priorities should be football

832
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: over everything. But your view is that a rising tide

833
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 1: raises all boats, not that other sports should necessarily suffer.

834
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering how you reconcile that view of

835
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: we're saying that men and women should be the same.

836
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: But within the PAC twelve one sports, I think that

837
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: when you are looking at sports right at a school

838
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: that and at the conference, football pays for all of

839
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: the rest of the sports except for men's and women's.

840
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: Men's basketball pays for itself, and some women's basketball turn

841
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: teams pay for themselves some Aside from that, football pays

842
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: for everything else. So you have to take care of

843
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: the money with football if football is failing, because then

844
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: you are making the other sports suffer, like you're you're

845
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: literally taking money away from the other sports by football

846
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: not being properly nurtured and taken care of. That's what

847
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve is gonna have to do if it

848
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: wants to regain some footing on the national landscape. The

849
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: last thing that we talked about that we were going

850
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: to bring up today, it's Oregon States president. He resigned.

851
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: He resigned over um. His name is f King Alexander.

852
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: That's the hell of a name, F King f and Alexander.

853
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: He's stepping down and he's gonna receive a lump sum

854
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: payment of six hundred and seventy thousand dollars payments for

855
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: medical and dental insurance for a year. Now, yep, yep,

856
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: So who he's walking away with a nice little golden parachute.

857
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: But this came on the heels of what happened at

858
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: l s U. So prior to being at Oregon State,

859
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: he was at l s U. He served as chancellor

860
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: and president from two thousand thirteen to two thousand nineteen.

861
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: And we know that all those sexual assault cases that

862
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: were overlooked and all the stuff like this is a

863
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: trickle down from the less Miles uh tenure over at

864
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: l s U. And this was some terrible things that

865
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: there have been alleged to have happened. University knew about them,

866
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: that didn't fire it. Less Miles all of this stuff

867
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: in Oregon States, Like listen, we don't want to part

868
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: of that. And that's completely understandable. So he's gone, he's out. Sorry,

869
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord

870
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: split you. So now here's the interview with Cow offensive

871
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: coordinator Bill Muskrave. You can find him on Twitter at

872
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: coach Musgrave. He's the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Cow.

873
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: The Cow Golden Bears and my four member offensive coordinator

874
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: when I got to Jacksonville, a long time NFL and

875
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: college quarterback coaching offensive coordinator coach, welcome to the show. Great,

876
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: thank you, George. Great to join you. You had some

877
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: great times there in Jacksonville. Remember you beating the Tennessee

878
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: Titans there in Nashville with a shallow cross and and

879
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of good, good routes, which which we had

880
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: you here for the Golden Bears right now. Oh no,

881
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't. You don't want this version of me.

882
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: You want the old version. That that version is over

883
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: and done done with. There are only memories and pictures

884
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: to remember all of that. So, but you have been

885
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: a long time NFL and college coach, Like, how has

886
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: the game changed in terms of you know, like how

887
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: you have to coach quarter quarterbacks in college now? Like,

888
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: how is the game changed from you know, way back

889
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: back in the day of where you're at now. Well,

890
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: the rules have changed a little bit to make the

891
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: game safer, as we've all talked about over the years,

892
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. So, um, the quarterbacks don't

893
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: get hit as much or after they throw it, they

894
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: don't get hit and driven into the ground or landed on.

895
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: So the quarterbacks are standing a little bit more healthy,

896
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more upright. And of course the shotgun

897
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: has been implemented a lot more. Defenses have gotten much

898
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: more exotic. Back in the eighties and nineties, we could

899
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: be under center because no defense was really attacking the

900
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: a gaps. Now the defenses are bringing people from all directions,

901
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: and safeties and corners and nickels fallen out of the sky.

902
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: The shotgun helps the quarterback, of course, receive the ball

903
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: and get these passes launched where we can take advantage

904
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: of more rules which are you know, slanted against defensive

905
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: backs in terms of holding and incidental contact and dp I.

906
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: So little rule changes, more passing, more shotgun, but it's

907
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: still fun. As we know football, really the toughest team

908
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: usually wins, you know, it really does. The toughest team

909
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: and whether that's physically tough, mentally tough. So we always

910
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: are promoting that with our players. But it's more wide

911
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: open than it used to be, not so much three

912
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: three yards in the cloud of dust as we used

913
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: to see. Yeah, and as a former quarterback, you're yourself,

914
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: I bet you would like to play in today's game

915
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: because a lot of those throws that you didn't used

916
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 1: to be able to make because you're a receiver would

917
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: literally get it get his head taken off, are now

918
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: throws that are available to quarterbacks more. Now, that's a

919
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: great point you make. I'd say the seams are more

920
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: open for business. You're correct, just because the rules and

921
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: so quarterbacks UM play designers are taking more chances and

922
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: being more aggressive because the rules UM have evolved a

923
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: little bit, and uh probably makes it a more entertaining

924
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: game from the fan, I would guess, And a lot

925
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: of people don't necessarily know what You went to the

926
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: University of Oregon. You one of the best quarterbacks to

927
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: come out of there, and you threw for over three

928
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: hundred i'm sorry three thousand yards before that was really commonplace.

929
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: Like what do you what do you remember about kind

930
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: of the about Oregon during that time versus where the

931
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: university is at now in terms of recruiting and uniforms

932
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: and everything that you've seen change. Yeah, Oregon, the Oregon

933
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: football program is a really changed since the nineteen eighties.

934
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: When I was there, it was both you know, both

935
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: in scope and I'm sure not as many type margins

936
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 1: as we had back then, both financially and everything else.

937
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: So they they've taken it to a flashy level. Whereas

938
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: you're right when I was there in the eighties, Um, hey,

939
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: we were excited to receive one pair of leets and

940
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: one helmet and we're going to go play a packed

941
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Pac ten schedule at that time and try to go

942
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: toe to toe with the big people in the in

943
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: the Pac ten. So I had a great experience. It's

944
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of great teammates as you can attest to,

945
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: and good coaches at that time with Bob Toledo and

946
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: Rich Brooks and just I'll send your teammates with Derrick

947
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: Lavellas are running back and a lot of good defenders

948
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: as well. Service a good, good collegian experience for me.

949
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: And and you guys are doing big, big things over

950
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: at Cow now. Like I'm super excited about Chase Chase Garbers,

951
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: you guys this quarter quarterback because I think he's got

952
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: a bright future. And I thought he made a huge step.

953
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean and when. And it's funny because when I

954
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: say last year, I don't mean like this past football season.

955
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean twenty nineteen. So when uh, I thought that

956
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: Old Miss game. He made a big, big step, and

957
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: then last year I thought that there were some good

958
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: parts to it too. I think he can be a

959
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 1: really good quarterback and NFL guy too. I agree very

960
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: bullish on Chase Garber's and you're right, just with our

961
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: disjointed season of last year's tough to get in a rhythm,

962
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: but he still battled through. He lined up for every

963
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: snap for us. And as you said in two thousand nineteen, George,

964
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: he had a whale of a game down there in Oxford, Mississippi.

965
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: UM had more good games. Beat U c l A,

966
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: beat Stanford with the twenty five yeard yard run in

967
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: the last minute, went down and beat U c l

968
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: A at the end, like we talked about, won a

969
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: bowl game in the Red Box Bowl versus Lovey Smith

970
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: in Illinois. So Chase is on the ascent and I

971
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: really enjoyed being associated with him. Yeah, Um, and you

972
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: actually your your head coach is a former Oregon duck

973
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: in Justin Wilcox. Well, what, but he's been a defensive

974
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, like like he's done really well defensively throughout

975
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: his entire career, and some of his assistants have gone

976
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: on to the NFL other places. What's it like coaching

977
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,959
Speaker 1: with with Justin? Oh, it's great, it's a it's great.

978
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: His brother was a tight end like you were, Josh

979
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: Wilcox at Oregon, and Justin went in there as a QB,

980
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: played QB for Dirk Cutter. Um was there under coach Pallate,

981
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: and then they moved into the quarterback of the defense,

982
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: playing free safety and started there for four years, end

983
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: up playing nickel at the end of his career. They're

984
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: playing some corners. So defensively, um, he knows what he's doing.

985
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: He also knows offense because he's a quarterback originally. So

986
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: as you've mentioned, I mean, he's being a different defensive

987
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: coordinator at Boise State when they were rolling and beating

988
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: everybody under the sun. Defensive coordinator Tennessee, defensive coordinator at Washington,

989
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator at SC, defensive coordinator at Wisconsin. So, um,

990
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: everywhere he's been, I mean have had real stingy, stout defenses.

991
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: I did not realize that Dirk had been at at

992
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: Oregon until you mentioned that. But um, you went on

993
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: to go obviously be a coach in the in the NFL,

994
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: and you had a unique experience because you're an offensive

995
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: coordinator and then having this which styles because you coached

996
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: Michael Vick and then you were there for the start

997
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: of Matt Ryan's career and these dudes are two totally

998
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. How were you like, what changes did you

999
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: have to make to the offense and what was it

1000
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: like adapting to two different styles, I mean, two dramatically

1001
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: different styles of play. Well, that's I think the beauty

1002
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: of coaching and the beauty of teaching is um finding

1003
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: um really how the individual pupil, the student, the player,

1004
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: how they learn or how they can be successful. And

1005
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: that's that's really an exciting part. I think of being

1006
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: a coach is thinking players first and then plays. I

1007
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: think all coaches have their schemes and their concepts and

1008
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: their system and their language, but it's got to be

1009
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: a language or a system that is adaptable to your players.

1010
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: Strong suits and we do a super job here at Cow.

1011
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: We've got a great coaching staff on offense with Aristotle Thompson,

1012
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: Burl Toler, the third Angus McClure, and then we just

1013
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: hired Jeep Chris who's got over five games of the

1014
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: NFL under his belt. Coaching and quarterbacks and tight ends

1015
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: and coordinating. We're always talking about our players. You're right,

1016
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: Michael Vick, what are his strong suits? What are his

1017
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: traits that we can engineer the offense and customize? And

1018
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: Taylor the offense around so very different than Matt Ryan

1019
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: and so that's that's really exciting because there's a lot

1020
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: of different ways to skin the cat. A lot of

1021
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: people compare Michael Vick to Lamar Jackson. Now what do

1022
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: you when when you look at look, because you saw

1023
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: Michael Vick up close and personal for years and he

1024
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: was super dynamic. What do you make of that comparison?

1025
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: And do do you think that it's fair or do

1026
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: you think that one has different strengths than any other guy?

1027
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: I've got to be around, um, Michael really well. We

1028
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: recruited Marcus, his little brother, when I was at Virginia

1029
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, so I know Michael and his family

1030
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: really well, just outstanding people. And so to be able

1031
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: to coach Michael and Atlanta was a real honor. And

1032
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: he is um very talented. I met Lamar at the

1033
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: Combine when I was coaching that. He came out of Louisville,

1034
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: So we got to interview him. Both of those guys, um,

1035
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: are talented right there in the NFL. They're professional athletes,

1036
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: but both of them are tremendous leaders. And that's why

1037
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: I think they're both successful because the other ten guys

1038
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: in the huddle with them are at the line of scrimmage.

1039
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: If they're in no huddle, they're gonna put their best

1040
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: foot forward because they believe in them. And a lot

1041
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: of quarterbacking has to do with whether you're authentic, whether

1042
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: you're a leader, whether your teammates believe in you, because

1043
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: it's easy to check out and shut it down if

1044
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks not on top of his trade. And both

1045
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: those guys are on top of their trade. I know

1046
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: Michael was. And from watching Lamar of course, Um, you

1047
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: know from a distance you can tell the other ten

1048
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: guys on the field, are you willing to risk life

1049
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: and limb and they're just holding on for the block,

1050
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: they're making a tough catch. Their supporting them because both

1051
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: guys are outstanding people first and an athlete second. And

1052
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: the leadership is really key, of course to uh the

1053
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: the ultimate team sport, which we were talking about football. Um,

1054
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: we're on with Bill Musgrave. You can find him on

1055
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 1: Twitter at coach Musgrave. He's an offensive coordinator and quarterbacks

1056
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: coach over at Cow over twenty years of NFL and

1057
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: college quarter coaching experience. Um so over there at Cow.

1058
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: Cow has a great tradition of quarterback play. I mean

1059
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Jared golf guy, I came out with Kyle Bowler,

1060
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: and I mean Steve bar Barktowski, Vince Ferragamo, Craig Morton.

1061
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, how how when when you were looking at

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Speaker 1: jobs that you could could potentially take it, did did

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Speaker 1: that history factor into it? And how is important is

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: it to you to keep up that legacy? That's very important.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it's a rich tradition of quarterback play here

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Speaker 1: in Berkeley. So I'm really excited about carrying on that

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01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: tradition with our current group of guys. And we've got

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Speaker 1: some guys coming in obviously in the coming years, hopefully

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: through recruiting. But the guys that are here doing a

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01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 1: nice job of carrying the torch for all those guys

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned, because there's a rich tradition here for

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Speaker 1: the Golden Bears, and so it had been a while

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Speaker 1: since you have been you know, in the college games

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Speaker 1: that you were in Virginia. I think what were the

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: two thousand one, two thousand two and then Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: so it had been a while. How has recruiting changed

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01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: from back then to what you have to do now?

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01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: The major changes the film. Back twenty years ago, you

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: had to get the film from the high school coach.

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: He had the film. There was no huddle, there was

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01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: no digitized film where you just push a button at

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: your computer and you can see every single game under

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: the sun, you know that a young man has ever played.

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01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: So that was different cruiting wizes. It's so much better

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: now that we get to see all the games of

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01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: all the guys in high school. So we're leaving no

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01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: stone unturned. Uh as far as recruiting, so it's it's

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01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: much more streamline now than it was twenty years ago. Um,

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01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 1: the players though, are the same. Just love being around,

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: uh these college guys. I think I'd be happy, George,

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01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, coaching anywhere. I know I would at the

1092
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: high school level, the college level, or the professional level.

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01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: It's just I love the team sport, I love the

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01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: teaching component of coaching, and uh, just great to be

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01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: around such a wonderful slice of humanity. So quarter quarterbacking

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01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 1: in terms of because I because I have a high

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: school freshman, and it seems like it's much more competitive now,

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01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: and you see a lot of guys because there's more

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: quarterback coaches, more specific training, and it seems like that

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01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: there are guys who I've seen who perform really really

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: well in in in what what football coaches called underwear,

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01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: which when you when when you don't have any pads on,

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: and they perform totally differently when they're in pads in

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: the in the game. So when you're watching film, when

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01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: you're seeing these seven on seven tournaments versus the actual film,

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01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: how much weight do you put in either one? Well,

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01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: we definitely put weight into everything we see. And as

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 1: you described, it's a little bit like in the NFL

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: putting weight into the combine. The combine is not eleven

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01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: on eleven football. But you can also still evaluate the

1111
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: guy's fundamental traits. Is the sound technically, um, does he

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01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: like to compete? Does they have a work ethic? So

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01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: those those components can be evaluated. But you're right, it's

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01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: no substitute for eleven on eleven football. And in terms

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01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, there are some tremendous. A lot of them

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01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: quarterback coaches, quarterback trainers. So the young men playing quarterback

1117
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: in today's game or receiving excellent guidance and tutelage, and uh,

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: we're seeing the results on the field. I mean, there's

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01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot a good quarterback play at all levels of

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01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: football currently and it's it's just a blast for me

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: to witness. What is it that you look for in

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01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: a quarterback in in general? Like, like, is it the leadership?

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01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it height? Like how much does height matter?

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01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: How much does arm velocity? Because I noticed they they

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01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: measure how fast you can throw the ball, Like how

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: do how do those things factor in? Like what are

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01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: some of the key things that you look for when

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 1: you're judging when you're evaluating talent. Well, I think to

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: throw the football and be accurate, which is really the

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01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: number one thing on your criteria list for quarterbacks is

1131
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: to be accurate. You're looking for a consistent throwing motion.

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01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: So we're looking for young men who can replicate their

1133
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: motion consistently and they're not one time throwing three quarters,

1134
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: one time over the top um. But throwing motion needs

1135
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: to really minimize the moving parts, like a golf swing

1136
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: does so uh, the way they keep their heads still,

1137
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: they take a short stride, they emphasize the risk movement

1138
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: of throwing. Those are parts of being a consistent thrower.

1139
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: So we're looking for those components, and then of course

1140
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: looking for a guy who's a good athlete. To throw

1141
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: a football, you need to be on balance, and not

1142
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: just on balance when your feet are set, but also

1143
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: on balance when you're on the run or your feet

1144
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: necessarily aren't set because the pocket may be disintegrating, in

1145
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: your shelf life back there may be expiring. So we're

1146
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: looking for good athletes. And then once we can assess

1147
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: the physical part of the quarterback, we need to get

1148
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: to know them. We need to know what makes them tick.

1149
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: Can they process what they're seeing because they're they've got

1150
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: a great microchip there in their mind where they can

1151
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 1: process the defense and assess things, and not just tenths

1152
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: of a second, but one hundreds of a second, because

1153
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: that's how fast the game is. So there's mental aspects,

1154
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: of course, physical aspects, and and then we start moving

1155
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: into the leadership aspects because the quarterback position um is

1156
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: one of one of the most important leadership spots in

1157
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: all the team sports. The final question for you is

1158
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: with that leadership, the quarter quarterbacks obviously get a lot

1159
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 1: of praise and they get a lot of blame when

1160
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: you when you lose, but but when you win, like

1161
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, they'll say, oh, he's the greatest player of

1162
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: all time. And as a former quarterback, like where where

1163
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: do you think the percentages stand in terms of like

1164
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: when a quarterback comes like and it's and it's one

1165
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: one guy is the quarterback of a roster and another

1166
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: quarter guys a quarterback of a roster, Like how much

1167
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: do you think that the talent around him impacts his ability?

1168
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: And how much do you think he elevates the talent

1169
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: around him? A really good quarterback, it's a two way street.

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01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: It's a two way street. Quarterback needs his teammates and

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: the and the teammates need a quarterback. But it's a

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01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: team game. And I don't agree with the assessment that

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: a quarterback you know, is responsible for wins, or that

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01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: wins and losses should be associated with a quarterback or

1175
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: a nose guard or a free safety or ray Lewis

1176
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: as the middle linebacker. It's a team game. This is

1177
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: not baseball, where the pictures, you know for whatever. Okay,

1178
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: the pitchers they get wins and losses too, they shouldn't

1179
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: really get wins and losses either when they're especially in

1180
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: the American League or last year they're not even batting.

1181
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: So what if you pitched a whale of a game,

1182
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: gave up one hit and lost one nothing. You know,

1183
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: it's a team game, so it's about your teammates and

1184
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: also how good a teammate you can be, both as

1185
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: a pitcher in baseball or as a quarterback in football.

1186
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 1: And the team is responsible for the wins and the losses.

1187
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,440
Speaker 1: And as you've mentioned, George, Um, you know, a quarterback

1188
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: can raise the level of his teammates if they believe

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01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 1: in him. Um. But you don't have to be a

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01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: quarterback to be a leader. You could be the center,

1191
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: you'd be the right guard. You'd be the flank or

1192
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: the split in the tight end and running back to fullback,

1193
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: um anything, the defensive end, the nose guard. So it's

1194
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: a team game. And that's what's beautiful about football is

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01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: every team is different each and every year, and the

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01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: leaders um set the tone, they set the pace, they

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: set the standard, they set the bar for the entire

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01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: team to have, you know, memorable important seasons. You guys.

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Speaker 1: He is coach Bill Musgrave, the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks

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01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: coach at Cal. Find him on Twitter at coach Musgrave.

1201
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: And if you're a recruiter or a parent of a recruiter,

1202
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: nor a recruit or anything like that, this is I've

1203
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: played under him. He was our o C in Jacksonville

1204
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: when I first got there, so I can attest to

1205
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: this man. He's a good man to UH to play

1206
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 1: play for. Coach If if is is ace right to

1207
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: Jet Dragonflies still in the playbook, Oh yeah, that might

1208
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: have been similar to the play that you beat the Titans,

1209
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 1: But remember Jaguars that never won in Nashville in the

1210
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: history of the franchise too. You caught that shallow cross,

1211
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 1: took us in. Then Fred Taylor scoring at a time

1212
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: elapsed to finally beat those those dast really darned Titans,

1213
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: finally got him that day. That was fun to be

1214
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: associated with you there in Nashville on that Sunday afternoon. Absolutely,

1215
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: Uh and coach much success this season and especially in

1216
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: the non conference versus Nevada and TCU, And I hope

1217
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: you win all your games except the one on October

1218
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: in in in Eugene. We got that one circle you

1219
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: know that absolutely well, good good, good luck. Talk to

1220
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: you so the coach. Thank you, George. I hope you

1221
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: guys enjoyed the interview with Bill Musgrave. You guys, I'm George,

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01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: Rice stir Heaves, Ralph Ams and and this is the

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01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: pack twelve apostles. Make sure to hit us up on

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,480
Speaker 1: the secret text as line and catch us next episode.

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Speaker 1: Peace out, See you le