WEBVTT - 84: The November 2019 Blade Runner Spectacular 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:08.319 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:35.240 November in Los Angeles and you're listening tonight Call. Hello everybody, 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.880 and welcome to Night Call podcast for your strange days 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.120 and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert and I am joined 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:46.240 as always by Test Lynch and Emily Osheita. And Emily 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:51.479 did a little investigation, a little investigation. I you know, 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.320 sometimes people ask questions on the Internet and it seems 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.040 like a value question, and so, um, you just want 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.000 to follow them down that hole. Uh So I saw 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.360 a tweet that I sent to UM to Molly and 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:09.040 tests from Emma Best, who's a a hacker activist. UM 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.680 runs the site muck rock, which is sort of like 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.880 UM like scripty or something. It's just like a place 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.560 for documents and uh foya documents and stuff like that. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:22.920 So they had done a FOYA on looking up materials 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:28.200 mentioning or describing psychological operations involving astrology, such as those 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.640 described in a series of numbers. UM, this is from 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.319 the CIA, and they got the response that said there 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.640 were several documents, most of them we cannot share with you. 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:45.880 They're still classified. Thanks guys. So so to be fair, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.920 this is inconclusive. We don't know anything. There's only so 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.160 one document was what had been declassified and it was 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.920 from the Vietnam War and it was from this It 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.760 was like a kind of document about UH from Henry A. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.560 Kissinger about a psychological offensive in Vietnam. And it was 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:12.280 this propaganda radio show called Mother Vietnam. And it was 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.520 just a list of like the kinds of programming we 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:19.519 could have on said propaganda radio station, like UM and 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.480 astrology that tells you to go out and kill for 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:29.079 the America. So rebuttal of Radio Hanoi UH, interviews with refugees, relatives, 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:33.320 wounded soldiers, advice to North Vietnamese civilians and soldiers, and 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:39.640 astrological predictions. So WHOA, So we can infer that the 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:44.200 psy ops that used astrology, we're basically like maybe to 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.480 instill fear and people to be like, oh, looking at 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:51.080 your horoscope, like looks like you should definitely not oppose 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.240 the powers that be. We did. TuS and I were 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:59.480 on Behind the Bastards, another show on our network that's awesome, 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.440 and we were an episode about Nancy Reagan's astrologer that 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.079 was all about how the Reagans were totally into astrology. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.000 The astrologer was a horrible person and she only wanted 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.440 to be an astrologer for rich people. But they made 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.760 a lot of their decisions about meeting times based on 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.600 what she said. So they would like circle the helicopter, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:22.720 for which had the effect of making their opponents be 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.680 caught off guard because they wouldn't meet ever at like 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.200 five pm. They'd have to meet at like five twelve. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.600 It's actually kind of a great it's for good. But 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.160 they were notorious apparently for like they would only hold 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.880 meetings at these weird times, and it was because the 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:42.360 astrologer told them to. Was it like numera numerology, like 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.720 the straight up astrology? I think it was like this 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:52.440 is why? Um? I mean I I then just googled 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.880 is astrology a sty op um? Which is you know, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.160 of course opens up. I mean, this is not a 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.800 new question. Plenty of people of have thought of this before, 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:06.520 but most of it's like on conspiracy sites and not um, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:11.320 not actual documents, not anything clickable by us. Right, It 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.800 never occurred to me until until you sent me that tweet, 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.719 and then I felt like right, because I was like, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.480 of course it can be used for evil. It never 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.760 seemed like that's why you would use there was There 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.760 was a person who responded to this on Twitter and said, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.039 you know, it's a very old practice, like obviously it 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.120 can be used anyway people want to use it. But 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.960 they were like, if you want to be safe, though, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:38.039 don't use this. The astrology apps like you are listening 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.920 to you, listened to you in therapy and then they 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:46.480 give you a base period tracking app. Wait what what? 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.479 Back up? What was that? Somebody was like, I know, okay, 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.880 somebody I know was like my astrology app was saying 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.080 stuff that was just about stuff I had just talked 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.960 about in therapy, and I was like, well, your phone 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:03.240 one was on in therapy. I'm sure it's here's what 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:07.680 you're saying. That means that she has like a personal astrologer. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:11.400 I think that's what I'm saying. I think it listens 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.200 to you and then it gives you advice based on 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.680 what it thinks you want to You'll be like you 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.400 thinks are getting different reading and you're like, it's incisive. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.200 It knows what I am going through right now, because 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.600 like the that's what what's what's the benefit for the 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.560 person who's doing all this labor to create your personalized astrology. 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.920 Maybe that you to this feeding you the premium. Look, 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.960 we know some people who work for astrology apps, and 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.400 I would like to know what they have to say 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.400 about this. I will also say that I'm the skeptic 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.720 and the crew. I don't think astrology is real. You 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.960 go through phases, sometimes you admit that you are one 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.000 does not need to believe that astrology is real. To 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.520 not believe that there is an app in which like 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.760 there's a room full of people who are listening on 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.680 headphones to you in your therapy. I think that true stuff. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.359 I don't think astrology is real. But my worst boyfriend 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.440 was a scorpio. See of course of course he was. 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.280 He was a Scorpio. I don't think people also in 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.120 it's a feedback loop for people internalized traits that they 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.280 think they're going to have because of what their sign is. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:19.840 Definitely mean personality, because you're like, yes, for sure. That's 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.080 why I don't believe in it too, because I'm a 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.320 Virgo and I'm so not a virgo in any way 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:26.880 or such a virgo. I'm not there like meat, That's 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:28.839 all they say. It's like they're o c D about 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.920 being Now, there's two kinds of virgo, as every virgo 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.839 should know, it's not the most boring. It's actually, isn't 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:39.680 it the most popular astrology. We've talked about it, I know, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.000 but I'm just saying you can't really there's there are 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:46.680 many different types of virgo. Speaking of predicting the future, yeah, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.040 we should talk about later on before we do, Can 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.240 I bring up an actual sourceable fact about apps tracking 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.520 you and then I'll let you go? Yes? Okay, So 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:59.839 someone reported that they had been using a period track 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.559 her app and then forgot about it and just didn't 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:05.760 do anything with it. So the app communicated or sold 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.400 the data that she was potentially pregnant because she hadn't 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.440 listed that she had had her period, so she was 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.040 being served. All of these ads were like because they 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.200 calculated and they were like, oh, she must be do soon. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.240 I'm just saying all the apps do stuff like that 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.600 instead of just she's lazy and doesn't care about here, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.800 like we're going to take a flyer on this one. Hious. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.240 I saw the story about how the Uber self driving 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.160 car killed a pedestrian because it's like not programmed to 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:35.600 recognize jaywalking right, just like the first thing you would 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.560 think you would like check four if you were building 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.800 a self driving car. Right. Um, what I'm saying is 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.080 that technology is evil. Okay, now we can go to 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:52.680 technology is evil and it's certainly what would you do 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.840 without Twitter? You guys, I enjoyed my hiatus from Twitter. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.520 I'm thinking about taking Twitter to me is actually the 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:04.920 worst one. I'm actually never on Twitter. Now, listen, let's 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:09.720 take a journey to right now as visualized from thirty 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:14.360 seven years ago. You guys, we watched Blade Runner two 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.480 version of Blade Runner because it's November twenty nineteen in 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:22.680 Los Angeles. Certainly is the kind of person who's been 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.920 waiting for all the apocalyptic sci fi title cards to 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.640 come into being. This is the bigs. This is one 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.280 of the most iconic ones. I think, like the other 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.160 one for me is whatever it is and back to 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.640 the Future, to which I think was um, I think 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.480 that was there's something in running. I think it was 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.640 running man. Um. But it was very funny because on 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:49.000 November one, that was the day that the cycling plaque 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.400 caught on fire and out water and it smelled like 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.880 burning plastic in the entire east side and the sky 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.680 was orange, and I actually took a surgical mask from 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.200 our room where I work and used it to drive 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.880 home because I walked outside and immediately started like hacking coffee, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:10.319 and the run or weather came right on time, exactly 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.480 on time. I also felt as though the air quality 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.680 and the fumes, the particular fumes that were being emitted 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.640 from this fire were downplayed, Like I think people really 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.520 should have taken because it does look bad. You could 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.360 smell it everybody I know. I feel like I was like, oh, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.760 I'm having all these really bad headaches and like headaches allergies, 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.800 and I was like, no, that's the fire. We're all 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.760 like inhaling disgusting particles. There are a lot of schools 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.000 right around that area, and I feel as though they 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.319 sometimes there will be kind of a like mandate that 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:47.480 children stay in school, um, and I think maybe they 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.160 kind of. I feel like school should have been closed 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.120 in that area, that's how bad the air in school. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.760 Yeah it was. I think it should have been a 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.319 small day. We wouldn't get it off. We don't have 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:03.040 to play in the auditorium anyway. This blade Runner like 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.559 it's such a like it is. It is the most 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.760 iconic dystopian I think movie maybe. I mean, there are 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.959 obviously like lots you can choose from, but I think 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.080 like this particular vision of this like perpetual night time 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.880 because of the smog, like uh Asian culture has running muck. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.240 There are there are robots that look like people and 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.280 you can't tell the difference. Like all of that stuff 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.880 feels very like this has just soaked itself into all 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.480 science fiction. It's also a utopia because it's raining all 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:38.040 the time. What's in that rain? And I love it? 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.120 And it's diverse, yes, exactly, how is my complaint? We 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.680 did a North Mollywood episode about um The Runner where 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.000 they said, as you said that the best shot was 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.800 when they cut to a pile of garbage and the 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.520 title just so San Diego, that's the best diss in 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.360 the world, most earned diss. But also yeah, that it 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.480 was shot in Europe, so all the extras are white. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.199 It's like, well, that's the most ystopian future l a 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.760 ever And was like, you're thinking about it more than 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.560 they did, right, it feels original. Blade Runner does feel 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.040 like such an eighties movie because it does feel like 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.680 that fear. It's like the white fear of the city 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:18.000 getting taken over by the other. But the thing, but 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.160 the thing about Blade Runner, the world of Blade Runner, 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.280 is not that it's been taken over. It's that those 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.120 are the people who had to stay behind it are 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.280 not on the off world exactly. Um. So it's not 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.160 like the white people have been killed off by all 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:34.199 the Asian people. Um. It is it is that like 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.520 they have, not because of class or because it's like 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.760 some it's implied that some disabilities you can't like, Um, 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.800 shef Sebastian can't go up because of this syndrome that 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:49.040 he has a disease with methuselas syndrome. That makeup terrible 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.559 and I relish bad makeup like that it would be 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.599 bad c G. I now kind of. But also just 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.200 because it made him like it added an extra layer 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.600 of wondering if if he was like putting on a front, 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.720 because isn't that part of it too, that some people 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.840 seem really conflicted about whether they actually want to populate 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.840 the planets or whatever. You know how night Call feels, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.080 you know how Night Call fields And I was staying here, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.760 I mean you get amazing apartments apparently if you stay 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.400 by it. Uh, we're all moving into the brad. The 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.480 worst part of the the lifestyle of living in those 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.600 apartment buildings is being on the elevator that is attached 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.520 to the exterior of a building. You mean like an 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.600 outdoor the outdoor elevator that goes up to like the nineties, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:39.480 and I don't like you mean like the like the Bonaventure. Yeah, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.439 that's so I couldn't deal. I got to see the elevator. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.920 Not the biggest fan of elevators in general, except for 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.120 the one at Lego Land that hasn't big elevator fan, 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:50.960 but I feel like you might as well be outside. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.760 They looked like they were going to fall off the building. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.160 It was so stressful to me. I think the funny 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.000 thing about the design of Blader in Our being as 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.240 like influential as it is, is that it's not really 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.839 straight up like cyberpunk. It's super noir and it's super 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:09.360 like like early half of the twentieth century, like um 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:11.560 and the fact that they shot on all these locations 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.640 from that era in Los Angeles, Like, that's the architecture. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.560 Those are the bones of the city. It's not all 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.880 these crazy pyramids and um, you know, sleek architecture that 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:26.160 really defines most of um, just like like you know, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.040 I candy type stuff like it's it's very it's very 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.559 dirty and kind of craggy and wet, very damn. We 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:38.440 love the wet future future. Was that because Ridley Scott 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.760 was like I thought I read somewhere but not couldn't 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.600 verify it that he wanted like an England to feel 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.719 um weatherwise because he's British. I guess I don't know. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.280 It's actually kind of a realistic like it feels. It's 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.680 also like now it's cold enough to wear a trench coat, 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:57.839 but we are I feel like a boats were not 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:02.080 believable to me. They are now gets cold night huge 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.959 for Coch. It was so foggy last night. It was 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.880 so blade runnery. I was saying to Test I deny 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.440 that it was fogg. I think it was fog last 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.199 night for sure. Yesterday it was nasty. I don't know. 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.400 There are many nights climates you could have been in 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.920 a foggy set weather app said fog because it was 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.160 listening to me and knew that that's what I wanted. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.520 Just wanted to make you feel good. Sorry, please give 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.560 me fog. How do you think the movie has held 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.600 up since you've seen it last. The thing that okay, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.960 so I have like a very like I saw this movie, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.720 this movie like blew my mind or whatever when I 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.000 was fourteen or however old I was when I saw it. 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.760 And there's an article in the news about me saying 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.680 it was my favorite movie, which I don't think it's true, 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.640 but wait, really yeah, because I I did a kind 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.840 of Blade Runner indebted thesis film in college, like I 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.600 did like an l a cyberp movie, um so, and 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:58.120 then the local paper in Tacoma interviewed me about it, uh, 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.600 and I said that Lade Runner was my favorite movie 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.320 because it's just like that sounds right right, like this 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.280 girl loves bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think the 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.800 thing that's always surprising to me every time I come 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.760 back to this movie, and like also the more that 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.280 I kind of steep myself and like, here's how you 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.640 make a movie that like stands the test of time. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.000 Here's the perfect formula for a movie. Here all the 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.480 beats you need to do, and like promises and uh 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.160 and like you know, things like fulfilling all those promises 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.400 that you make to the audience. It's like Blade Runner 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:32.200 is so arty and weird. It doesn't have any of 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.080 those like satisfying buttons that are pushing, and all of 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.600 its big ideas are like hinted at and kind of 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.760 sideways and nothing is like hammered down in a way 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.720 that most side five two one and that it's like 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:46.800 a sci fi movie that also gets to be like 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.000 capital a art. Yeah, it's like a mood, not like 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.800 a Star Wars movie. It doesn't. It's not like a 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:58.840 popcorn movie. It's like a junior man's movie. It's very 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.840 like I was thinking about, even the opening, like where 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.840 decords at the noodle stand and then and then where 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.520 James almost comes up and they take him to the police, 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.280 but they say he's under arrest and they put him 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.080 in a cop car like a floating car, and they 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.200 take him to the police station or um and uh 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:19.680 that's it has the Vangelist score. It's like the slow 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.120 shot of the car rising up over the city and 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.400 it's all dreamy and the rain is falling, and I think, 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.680 like probably the first three times I saw that movie, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.160 I never picked up that he was getting arrested because 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:35.120 it doesn't feel like anything Urgent is happy. He's not 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.080 being arrested. He's like he's not. Later, yeah, they but 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:39.920 like that's like the reveal when they get there. But 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.760 it's like, I don't I was just watching The Flying Car. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.760 I don't know. Also, he was like, you can't arrest 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.200 me because I'm still eating my noodles, and they're like, okay, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.600 that sounds pretty fair. We'll wait to arrest you while 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:55.400 you finish your noodle. It is um. I was looking 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.800 into the Wikipedia for this, uh, and I had had 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:05.440 no idea about Hampton Fancher Hampden Fancher. Interestingly, well, first 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.760 of all, now I'm going to have to see The 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.920 minus Man. Hampton Fancher is a screenwriter. Yes, he wrote 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.880 it with David Peoples. But I had to look into 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.600 The minus Man, which was his directorial debut with Owen 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.159 Wilson and Jeanine Garoffalo, and seems like, you, how is it. 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.680 It's depressing, it's about heroin addiction. It's good. I was 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.840 just like this came out of nowhere. But also I 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.920 didn't know that Hampton Fancher was married for two years 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.560 to Sue Lion the original Lolita, and it was super 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.760 There were a bunch of really weird things that happened 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.680 right before I watched Blade Runner. One of them was 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.800 that Molly gave me a book, the Real Lolita, the 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.720 Sarah Wineman book. Um, so I had Lolita on the 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.840 time book about the case that Lolita is like supposedly 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.560 based on this, like Nabakoff has sort of disavowed it, 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.879 but she makes this point of like he would have 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.040 seen it in this paper, like he knew this other 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.080 guy who got in trouble for having sex with kids. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.960 Like so that was two days ago. Then there's the 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:00.560 Sue Lion thing, which I just has happened to read 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.359 about on Wikipedia. And then also the other day I 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.680 was like, I'm bored of my music. I need to 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:10.119 start looking into Yes, I listened to Evangelists for like 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:15.080 two hours. I put a Tangerine dream song on the latest. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:16.800 I put love on a Real Train on the last 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.040 night collms nice. I think that is like, yeah, I 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.240 mean that mix. Also, I was like, this mix really 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.119 like feels out are unified aesthetic to me, which I 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:30.600 guess is like there's no escaping it, but it feels 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:35.639 like beyond it. Being November in l A, I was like, 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:40.360 WHOA Blade Runners, It's seeping into my life from all angles, 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.880 and I loved watching it. It has been forever since 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:47.000 I'd seen it, uh, and I had forgotten lots of 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.399 great parts of it, which there are many, but it 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.560 also has the weirdest tempo, if any mode, it has 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.399 a super weird tempo. And like also it's one of 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.800 those things where now, I mean I used to own 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.000 it on DV, but now that you like stream everything, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.840 I think I own it digitally. But I was watching 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.640 it and I like the Internet started to go out 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.399 during like like one of the few things that like 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.159 qualifies as an actual action scene in it, which is 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.080 where he's chasing down Zora the like the stripper snakes dipper, Yeah, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.760 the snake stripper um, and she's like, you know, running 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.760 over the cars and then he shoots her in like 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:23.360 this series of glass um, this like glass hallway, which 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.959 just looks incredible because it's just like neon reflecting off 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.440 of every surface. And my Internet started to go down 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.880 to it. I was like, I need faults. I can't 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.359 I can't live like this. Any of the versions have 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.560 you seen, um, I've seen I've seen the original one 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:42.480 with the voiceover one that watched Okay, yeah, I haven't 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.359 watched that one for a long time. I've seen that 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.720 one like maybe once, and it was out of curiosity. 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.120 I've seen the director's cus one I've seen the most 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.119 because that's the one that's most widely available, and I 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.159 had that that DVD that everybody has um with the 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.560 black cover, and then now I have I should look 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.840 this up, but I have something called the Final, the 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.240 Final Final for sure time we're done really this time, 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.080 which is the one that's it's available on iTunes. So 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.119 that's why that's when I have on. I showed it 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.920 at every film class I took in college. Really actually hilarious. 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.040 I hadn't seen it until college. That was the last 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.840 time I've seen it. Because also they'll do like they'll 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.520 show you Metropolis and then they show you Blade But 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.720 it was funny because it was like every professor like 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.280 found a way to work Blade Runner into the curriculum. 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.320 But it's also because they're all like eighties postmodernist, and 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:35.280 that's like the writing they assign also. But yeah, it's 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.479 interesting to think of Blade Runner as not an eighties 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.280 movie but a now sis. I've talked about the class 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.360 I took in college that someone actually a listener wrote 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.320 in to remind me of the professor's name, and it's 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.439 um Professor Noyman. But he taught a film architecture class 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.600 and Blade Runner was featured and Metropolis was featured. Um 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.320 and yeah, and watching it now in the time that 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:03.040 it was to be set is really fascinating in terms 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:04.960 of I mean because also we used to all work 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.080 at l A Live and we often talked about how 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.280 that is like a but I was just going to say, 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.680 the most haunted, but it also lacks any vibrant, has 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.280 no time. That's my boyfriend. Johnny Coleman wrote a really 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.000 good piece with the guy Jacob Butcher for The Nation 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.280 about the gentrification of downtown that started with the Staple 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.959 Center and how it's just been a massive failure um 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.119 and how sort of public money goes to pay for 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.960 things like this. They're supposed to reinvigorate the community but 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.040 displace everybody. Oh, I mean, it's the craziest thing about 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.399 l A Live too, is the Ritz Carlton Residences or 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.880 whatever are pretty much the facade of l A Live. 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.960 And they're these it's this huge mirrored skyscraper in the middle. 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.320 They set themselves up for Blade Runner because they were like, 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.800 we'll build all this stuff without dealing of anything with Yeah. 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.920 But the thing the thing about like the thing about 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:57.040 the Blade Runner Future is that it seems largely accidental 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:00.280 and ad hoc and also it's like pedestrian domond needed 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.920 Like if that opening scene and like most of the 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:05.040 scenes that we see are supposed to be taking place 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:09.160 downtown probably like on Broadway, Um, because the Breadbury building 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.520 is on is that on Broadway? Is it on Spring 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.520 I think it's on Broadway, But that part of downtown, 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.920 like that historic core area of downtown, Like if it's 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.480 supposed to take place there, then they've like they've banned 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.920