1
00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:19,240
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace and absolutely perfect, beautiful, loving

2
00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:28,880
Speaker 1: seven year old girl goes missing, seemingly vanishing into thin air.

3
00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,680
Speaker 1: Step mom pulls out all the stocks, tries to find

4
00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:41,360
Speaker 1: her to no avail, and now all eyes turn to

5
00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:48,440
Speaker 1: a fed Ex deliveryman. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

6
00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

7
00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,720
Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a

8
00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,360
Speaker 1: listen to our friends at CBS, d F and W

9
00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,800
Speaker 1: first cruisiveen nowt here all day long trying to figure

10
00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,320
Speaker 1: out where exactly she is. It's a very wooded terrain,

11
00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,679
Speaker 1: and just a few moments ago I actually saw another

12
00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,480
Speaker 1: group of volunteers with flashlights as they try to go

13
00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,880
Speaker 1: out trying to find Athena. Now take a look at

14
00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,240
Speaker 1: your screens. This is what seven year old Athena's strand

15
00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,840
Speaker 1: looks like. She was last known with her dad and

16
00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,480
Speaker 1: stepmom at her house on a County Road seventy three

17
00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,959
Speaker 1: near Cottondale. Here's what happened. According to the Sheriff's Office,

18
00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,759
Speaker 1: Athena's stepmother called the Sheriff's department just after six thirty

19
00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,760
Speaker 1: last night, saying Athena was missing. After searching for about

20
00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,959
Speaker 1: an hour. The two had an argument and then Athena's

21
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,040
Speaker 1: dad wasn't home at the time. Right now, officials think

22
00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,880
Speaker 1: Athena walked out on her own. You're hearing it just

23
00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,200
Speaker 1: as everyone heard it at that time. The search is

24
00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,039
Speaker 1: on for the seven year old little girl. She looks

25
00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,920
Speaker 1: like a little angel. So many questions rolling right now.

26
00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,880
Speaker 1: How do you have a fight with your stepmother and

27
00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,000
Speaker 1: then suddenly just disappear from the family home. With me

28
00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 1: and All Star panel and make sense of what we

29
00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,680
Speaker 1: know right now? Alexis Terscha joining US Crime online dot

30
00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,320
Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Alexis First of all, this takes place

31
00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,960
Speaker 1: in Paradise, Texas, And from what I understand, that's about

32
00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,720
Speaker 1: forty miles northwest of Fort Worth. What can you tell

33
00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,200
Speaker 1: me about Paradise, Texas. Well, it is in Wise County,

34
00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,840
Speaker 1: and you're exactly right. It is northwest of Fort Worth

35
00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,160
Speaker 1: and Dallas. Arlington is considered part of the Dallas metropolitan area.

36
00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,679
Speaker 1: It is a small area. It's just a county that's

37
00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,480
Speaker 1: only about seventy thousand people. Even though it's near these

38
00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,760
Speaker 1: really big cities, it's a much smaller community. Seventy thousand

39
00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 1: people straight out to Robert Crispin, joining US private investigator.

40
00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,280
Speaker 1: Also former Federal Task Force officer for US Department in

41
00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,040
Speaker 1: Justice d EA Miami Field Division, no lack of business

42
00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,000
Speaker 1: in Miami. Former homicide Crime Skits Children investigator now at

43
00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,959
Speaker 1: Crispin's Special Investigations and you can find me at chris

44
00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:06,280
Speaker 1: and Investigations dot com. Robert seventy thousand people in the

45
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:14,040
Speaker 1: big scheme of crime. That's still considered a small town. Now, Listen,

46
00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,440
Speaker 1: I grew up on a red dirt road literally much

47
00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:24,880
Speaker 1: much smaller population. But when you're talking about suspects, you

48
00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,800
Speaker 1: can take out I mean statistically women, You can take

49
00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,360
Speaker 1: out everybody younger than let's just say ten. You can

50
00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: take out everybody statistically older seventy or older. And then

51
00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,200
Speaker 1: what you've got left out of seventy thousand in the

52
00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,840
Speaker 1: big scheme, Crispin, that is a small suspect pool, especially

53
00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,440
Speaker 1: when you're looking at an area that's over an hour

54
00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,960
Speaker 1: drive in traffic from a big city. You think you're

55
00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,320
Speaker 1: in a safe community, right you would. But what that

56
00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,240
Speaker 1: seventy thousand does is it it really gives you the

57
00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to narrow things down versus being in a population

58
00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,640
Speaker 1: of several million in a city, so it really helps

59
00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,960
Speaker 1: the investigators narrow down, especially in the area where this happened.

60
00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,480
Speaker 1: Being I believe it was somewhat rule. You're going to have,

61
00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have witnesses, and you're going to have stuff

62
00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,840
Speaker 1: that's going to point you pretty much directly to your

63
00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,800
Speaker 1: suspect pretty quick, versus something happening in downtown Miami. Well,

64
00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean talking about pointing to a suspect. To Wendy Patrick,

65
00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,840
Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author Red Flags and a new book, Why

66
00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,040
Speaker 1: Bad Looks Good, Biblical wisdom to make smart choices in life,

67
00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,320
Speaker 1: love and friendship. She's at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com

68
00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,400
Speaker 1: and you can hear her on Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ. Wendy,

69
00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,560
Speaker 1: when a child goes missing and step mommy is the

70
00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,840
Speaker 1: only one at home with the child, the first place

71
00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:59,559
Speaker 1: you look is step mommy. You separate her from everybody else,

72
00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,480
Speaker 1: and you hone in on the questions they cause as

73
00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,200
Speaker 1: minutes go by. When a child is missing, every second counts.

74
00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,560
Speaker 1: Children that are abducted are usually killed within three hours

75
00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,520
Speaker 1: if it's a stranger abduction. So the first thing you

76
00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,320
Speaker 1: do is you get set mommy and put her on

77
00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,400
Speaker 1: the hot seat. Exactly right. You start at the very

78
00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,520
Speaker 1: core of where the child went missing, and then you

79
00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,960
Speaker 1: work outwards. So you're right, it would start with a stepmom,

80
00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,760
Speaker 1: it would begin to extend to the next door neighbor,

81
00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,640
Speaker 1: and it would very slowly and methodically go from there.

82
00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,000
Speaker 1: Because you're right, it is within the first three hours,

83
00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,520
Speaker 1: So that would be exactly where you would start. And

84
00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,920
Speaker 1: you'd want to get that testimony while it's fresh. You'd

85
00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,159
Speaker 1: want to get that interview so you'd be able to

86
00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,360
Speaker 1: then move confidently to see who else could have been

87
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,920
Speaker 1: in the area. And with a small town, you'd think

88
00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,359
Speaker 1: it's more likely somebody saw something. Yeah, you know, And

89
00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious. Alexa's trust shut You've given me the gist

90
00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,280
Speaker 1: of the area, but I need to know. Do they

91
00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,800
Speaker 1: live in an apartment complex as a family dwelling? Was

92
00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,400
Speaker 1: there a gate around it? Because I remember the case

93
00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,760
Speaker 1: of Isabella's Celice, and you and I covered that together.

94
00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,120
Speaker 1: Isabella was taken out of her home by a stranger

95
00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,560
Speaker 1: to her. He tangentially knew the family. But I kept

96
00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,640
Speaker 1: looking at the entrances in exus to her home, and

97
00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,800
Speaker 1: they had a huge wall, remember that attached to the

98
00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,040
Speaker 1: side of the house in the front on the sides,

99
00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,599
Speaker 1: and went all the way to the back and joined.

100
00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to jump over the wall, and

101
00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,240
Speaker 1: she was much too small to do that. So any intruder,

102
00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you get into the home? So

103
00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,160
Speaker 1: I need to know about the timeline, what happened that

104
00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,720
Speaker 1: day just before she disappears, What time did she disappear,

105
00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,840
Speaker 1: and what, if anything do we know about the structure?

106
00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,119
Speaker 1: Alexis tres Chuck. So she came home from school about

107
00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,440
Speaker 1: four fifteen, and so if you think of four fifteen,

108
00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,960
Speaker 1: but it's getting dark at four fifteen, now it's getting

109
00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,440
Speaker 1: it's just before sunset really, which is you know, right

110
00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,880
Speaker 1: around five. So she goes in her house. She finds

111
00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,960
Speaker 1: out this is what you know, her mom has said

112
00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,520
Speaker 1: that her dad was no mom. Well mom, well but

113
00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,360
Speaker 1: because the mom. So she goes in the house. She

114
00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,080
Speaker 1: finds out her dad is not there. He has left

115
00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,920
Speaker 1: to go on a hunting trip. And apparently she was

116
00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,000
Speaker 1: Julio upset about this. I mean, she probably just likes

117
00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,440
Speaker 1: dad and wants to spend some time with him. So

118
00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,280
Speaker 1: she then there was apparently an argument with her stepmom

119
00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,120
Speaker 1: about this, and stepmom didn't see her for a little while.

120
00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,440
Speaker 1: So fourthoteen, So we won't wait a minute right there.

121
00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,760
Speaker 1: What do you mean stepmom didn't see her for a

122
00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,840
Speaker 1: little while. What does that mean? Well, the stepmoma has

123
00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,120
Speaker 1: said that there was they had an argument. She didn't

124
00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,840
Speaker 1: say what kind of argument it was, but that then

125
00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,520
Speaker 1: she didn't see the little girl. So I guess she

126
00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,280
Speaker 1: thought she went into her room in her house. Maybe

127
00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,040
Speaker 1: she sent her to her room, but she just said

128
00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,680
Speaker 1: she didn't see her for a little while, and then

129
00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,360
Speaker 1: she made dinner and she went to get Athena for dinner,

130
00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,760
Speaker 1: and she went to her room, couldn't find her, looked

131
00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,520
Speaker 1: around the house and couldn't find her, and that's when

132
00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,160
Speaker 1: she started to get panicked. We also know alexis Terrestie.

133
00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,480
Speaker 1: This is a single family home and it's about two

134
00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:31,239
Speaker 1: hundred yards away from the street. Two hundred yards that

135
00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,640
Speaker 1: is a long way. I mean, think about a football

136
00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,920
Speaker 1: field is one hundred and twenty yards. That's two football

137
00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,120
Speaker 1: fields away from the street. So what person is going

138
00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,480
Speaker 1: to come all the way up the driveway and drive

139
00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,160
Speaker 1: back in there, get to the home, get the girl

140
00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,439
Speaker 1: and leave without being noticed. Another thing I'm gonna go

141
00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,880
Speaker 1: to Scott A. Johnson, forensic Psychologists, joining us out in Minnesota,

142
00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,640
Speaker 1: thirty two years in the business. You can find him

143
00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,840
Speaker 1: at Forensic Consultation dot org. Author of multiple books. Scott Johnson,

144
00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,959
Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. Isn't it true that a known,

145
00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,280
Speaker 1: a tried and true parental technique is when your child

146
00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,760
Speaker 1: throws a fit or it's angry at you, you let

147
00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 1: them cool off, right, let them go to their room,

148
00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,720
Speaker 1: let them color, do their homework, you know, until they

149
00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,800
Speaker 1: get hungry and can ask you for something. But long

150
00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,840
Speaker 1: story short, a cooling off period. We even suggest that

151
00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,600
Speaker 1: to parents. In fact, that's in the written letter of

152
00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,480
Speaker 1: the law when you are discussing a crime of passion.

153
00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,360
Speaker 1: If the p has a cooling off period and returns

154
00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,360
Speaker 1: and commits a murder, it's not in the heat of

155
00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,880
Speaker 1: passion because there has been a quote cooling off period,

156
00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,760
Speaker 1: in other words, for the passion to subside. You're not

157
00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,640
Speaker 1: angry anymore. So it's recognized in the black and white

158
00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,200
Speaker 1: letter of the law. So certainly it would apply in

159
00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,200
Speaker 1: this case. The stepmom let the little girl go to

160
00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,920
Speaker 1: her room. Correct, she did the right thing, so let

161
00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,440
Speaker 1: the child calm down and be heard and just let

162
00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:30,760
Speaker 1: it do. So, Okay, time stories with Nancy Grace. Okay

163
00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,440
Speaker 1: to you, Elisa Terreste. Do we have any idea how

164
00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,000
Speaker 1: long the stepmom and the daughter were separated before stepmom

165
00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,360
Speaker 1: that comes concerned. It was only about an hour, so

166
00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,760
Speaker 1: I said she had about four or fifteen. About five thirty,

167
00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,959
Speaker 1: the stepmom realized that that's when she went to look

168
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,240
Speaker 1: for her, and so she looked and looked. It took her.

169
00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 1: She was looking for her for an hour. I don't

170
00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,640
Speaker 1: want to say that she waited an hour because she didn't.

171
00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,440
Speaker 1: She was looking for her. And as you can see,

172
00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,920
Speaker 1: you know from some of the photos video from the scene,

173
00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,600
Speaker 1: it's the property is wide. She probably could have walked

174
00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,640
Speaker 1: all the way down to the mailbox. She was looking

175
00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,240
Speaker 1: around for her, looked at the house, maybe behind the house,

176
00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,720
Speaker 1: if there was a play area. But she was looking

177
00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,000
Speaker 1: for her for an hour, and that's when she called police.

178
00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,880
Speaker 1: And again with that, I don't find that unusual, Wendy Patrick,

179
00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,240
Speaker 1: because I've told you this story before when John Davy

180
00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,760
Speaker 1: went missing in the babies or a superstore. I grabbed

181
00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,160
Speaker 1: Lucy like a football and started running to the front door,

182
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,960
Speaker 1: which was all glass, because I immediately feared that someone

183
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,640
Speaker 1: had taken him out and that was the obvious exit.

184
00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,360
Speaker 1: Screaming my son is missing helped me. And you know,

185
00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,400
Speaker 1: I was looking all around the store before I even

186
00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,040
Speaker 1: can dawn on me to call nine one one. So

187
00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,600
Speaker 1: I find that perfectly normal. Yeah, I remember that story, Nancy,

188
00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,320
Speaker 1: And you know it is normal, and it's especially normal

189
00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,080
Speaker 1: if it's a large property. I mean, if you've got

190
00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,400
Speaker 1: a long way to look, if there are number of

191
00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,600
Speaker 1: places she could have walked to, even on the property,

192
00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, even if it's dark, and especially perhaps if

193
00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,200
Speaker 1: it's dark, should probably look a little more closely. It's

194
00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,640
Speaker 1: not unusual. And you know, Alexis did a great job

195
00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 1: of specifying it's not a delay where she's sad and

196
00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,679
Speaker 1: just wondered what she should do. She was actively looking.

197
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,000
Speaker 1: Can you even imagine going upstairs to get your stepdaughter

198
00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,040
Speaker 1: for dinner and she's gone. I mean this that thought,

199
00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,600
Speaker 1: I know, nanthy Uni, what that feels like. Your heart

200
00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,000
Speaker 1: just just races. And so this mom probably didn't even

201
00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,800
Speaker 1: have a concept of time as she looked through her

202
00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,600
Speaker 1: property unfortunately unsuccessfully to find this little girl. She immediately

203
00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,520
Speaker 1: COLLS nine when one following a search for the little girl,

204
00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,160
Speaker 1: take a listen to Nick Starling, CBS. When I asked

205
00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,000
Speaker 1: Sheriff Lane Akin if someone could have possibly taken her,

206
00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,440
Speaker 1: he told me all options are on the table at

207
00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,720
Speaker 1: this point and they will leave no stone unturned. Now,

208
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,199
Speaker 1: several dozen search crews have been out all day in

209
00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,839
Speaker 1: the air and on foot trying to find this little girl.

210
00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,680
Speaker 1: On usually you find the child close to the house,

211
00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:07,080
Speaker 1: under the house, in the eddy, in the laundry, under

212
00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,240
Speaker 1: the bed. Usually that's what happened, but it didn't happen

213
00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,839
Speaker 1: this time. So then the next thing is you look

214
00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,599
Speaker 1: around the house, and then you've got to expand that

215
00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,599
Speaker 1: as time goes on. You know that sinking feeling, that

216
00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,680
Speaker 1: feeling like, Okay, they're here, they got to be here.

217
00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:22,360
Speaker 1: You look under the bed, you're look in the closet,

218
00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,079
Speaker 1: you're look behind the shower curtain. Then you go out

219
00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,280
Speaker 1: in the yard, you're look in the car, and that

220
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,120
Speaker 1: feeling that sinks in when you've run out of places

221
00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:36,080
Speaker 1: to look. Let's hear what Sheriff Lane Aiken has to say.

222
00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,120
Speaker 1: And that search, for the most part was that area

223
00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,520
Speaker 1: of the house, inside the house, under the house and

224
00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,160
Speaker 1: then the immediate area and that six acred track where

225
00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,320
Speaker 1: they live, but they weren't able to locate the child.

226
00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,840
Speaker 1: Later on in the night, we had THHP who came

227
00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,920
Speaker 1: to help, and multiple local pds joined in and helped

228
00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,599
Speaker 1: us in the investigation and the search. And in the

229
00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,760
Speaker 1: night time we had a DPS one on one helicopter

230
00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,960
Speaker 1: and DPS one on one and four PDS Air one

231
00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,319
Speaker 1: that were there and they had thermal imaging helping to

232
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,520
Speaker 1: locate the signatures on the ground, but they didn't find

233
00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,480
Speaker 1: anything other than wildlife rabbits, hogs, and some deer and

234
00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,400
Speaker 1: no indication that there was any human activity. They're doing

235
00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:27,640
Speaker 1: everything right at that point. After thermal imaging, helicopters and

236
00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,320
Speaker 1: bringing in the Texas Highway Patrol to help, they take

237
00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,280
Speaker 1: another step to find this little girl. Take a listen

238
00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:40,000
Speaker 1: to the sheriff. Local law enforcement as well as Rescue one.

239
00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,120
Speaker 1: Search and Rescue one had their cannine teams and those

240
00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,640
Speaker 1: cannine teams worked throughout the night in the darkness until

241
00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,920
Speaker 1: the early morning hours trying to pick up a track

242
00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,880
Speaker 1: a trail. They picked up a short trail that just

243
00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of circled around the house and then headed back

244
00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,800
Speaker 1: over toward twenty one, twenty three, two different dog teams

245
00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,680
Speaker 1: ran that track out, but steel we didn't find a SnO. Okay,

246
00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,360
Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, they're doing everything right. Did you hear what

247
00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,640
Speaker 1: the sheriff said about the dogs. They bring in the dogs,

248
00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,840
Speaker 1: they go round and around and around the house, and

249
00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,840
Speaker 1: then that's it. That would suggest she didn't leave the house. Correct,

250
00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,320
Speaker 1: They would have picked up on that scent and they

251
00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,680
Speaker 1: would they went somewhere with that sect with those dogs.

252
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,080
Speaker 1: Those dogs are fantastic, which immediately is going to make

253
00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,000
Speaker 1: them jump to that child was removed on that property,

254
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,240
Speaker 1: hence taking his case apartment or the child is somewhere

255
00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,520
Speaker 1: on that property since the dogs aren't indicating she left.

256
00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:42,120
Speaker 1: Another thing, could you explain what the thermal helicopters do? So?

257
00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,800
Speaker 1: The thermal imaging is in other terms called flir forward

258
00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,560
Speaker 1: looking in for red. And what it does is it

259
00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,480
Speaker 1: it projects down onto the ground or in the air

260
00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,240
Speaker 1: wherever to pick up heat from a body, heat from someone.

261
00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,720
Speaker 1: You see it now on Fox News all the time

262
00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,720
Speaker 1: when you see a lot of the goes coming across

263
00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,600
Speaker 1: the border. It's nighttime and you see a bunch of

264
00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,440
Speaker 1: white images walking through a very dark wooded area. So

265
00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,200
Speaker 1: the thermal is going to pick up on the body

266
00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,680
Speaker 1: heat and it's going to tell you if there's a

267
00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,080
Speaker 1: child lost. They use it a lot for children that

268
00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,680
Speaker 1: are lost in the wilderness or people that are lost

269
00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,360
Speaker 1: in the wellness. In this case, they're looking for maybe

270
00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,120
Speaker 1: the child wandered into the woods and got lost or

271
00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,640
Speaker 1: is vetted down somewhere, and that thermal imaging or that

272
00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,760
Speaker 1: flar is going to pick right up on it and

273
00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,920
Speaker 1: it's going to hone in where that kid is. It's

274
00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,440
Speaker 1: very amazing technology. And what about the fact that there

275
00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,080
Speaker 1: is a six acre track For them to search six

276
00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,760
Speaker 1: acres of wooded land, it's going to be very difficult. Well,

277
00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,680
Speaker 1: the helicopter is great because it can cover such a

278
00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,480
Speaker 1: large area and that flur they can dial it in

279
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,560
Speaker 1: to within a few feet, or they can go out

280
00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,360
Speaker 1: a little bit wider and start to do a grid

281
00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,440
Speaker 1: pattern and fly back and forth, which is why you

282
00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,000
Speaker 1: see helicopters flying in circles or up and down or

283
00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,840
Speaker 1: back and forth. They're doing a grid, sir, and they're

284
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,080
Speaker 1: projecting that flur under the ground and they're going to

285
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,639
Speaker 1: pick up things such as a deer, they're going to

286
00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,320
Speaker 1: pick up a rabbit, they're going to pick up a duct,

287
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,560
Speaker 1: they're going to pick up anything that is emitting to

288
00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,359
Speaker 1: keep and it's going to lock onto that child. And

289
00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,159
Speaker 1: it didn't. And of course, to special guests joining us

290
00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,080
Speaker 1: a forensic psychologist Scott A. Johnson out of Minnesota, why

291
00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,600
Speaker 1: is it that children, when they are faced with an

292
00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,359
Speaker 1: argument with their parents, they may go hide. Why do

293
00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,760
Speaker 1: they hide? Well, they're sorting to get out in their head.

294
00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,359
Speaker 1: You know, why is mommy or daddy angry at me?

295
00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,640
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're angry at mom or dad for being

296
00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,720
Speaker 1: angry at them. And I think it's just hiding makes

297
00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,240
Speaker 1: things better at the time. I guess it's just a

298
00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,440
Speaker 1: human nature. The next thing cops are doing now the

299
00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,600
Speaker 1: shaff tries to piece together a timeline. Remember, at this juncture,

300
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,360
Speaker 1: if step mommy is not involved and daddy's not involved,

301
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,200
Speaker 1: that means this is a stranger abduction. A stranger abductions

302
00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,680
Speaker 1: over whelmingly the child is killed within three hours. So

303
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,400
Speaker 1: what's the timeline? Listened to Sheriff Lane Aiken had about

304
00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,680
Speaker 1: four or fifteen seven year old a thing of strands

305
00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,040
Speaker 1: stepped off her school bus. Arriving home like she does

306
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,360
Speaker 1: almost every day at County Road thirty five seventy three

307
00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 1: in Paradise had about six forty pm that same day,

308
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,080
Speaker 1: Why Is Canty Sheriff's Office dispatch perceived a nine one

309
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 1: one call from athena step mom reporting that Athena was missing.

310
00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:40,080
Speaker 1: Within about fourteen minutes, we had deputies, ms, volunteer fire

311
00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,159
Speaker 1: departments there and there was a search that commenced just

312
00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 1: right away, you know, as far as I can see.

313
00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,679
Speaker 1: Alexis Teresta a crime online communist to get a reporter,

314
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,440
Speaker 1: and they wasted no time. As soon as they got

315
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,240
Speaker 1: the call from the mom, they did their own all

316
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,840
Speaker 1: out search. They brought in thermal imaging, as you heard

317
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,360
Speaker 1: Robert Crispin describing floor, they in dogs. They're doing everything,

318
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 1: and they're doing it quickly. They also very important nail

319
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,760
Speaker 1: down the timeline. They're doing everything right so far, and

320
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,879
Speaker 1: they even had people on horses searching because it's you know,

321
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 1: it's not an urban area, so they're searching all around

322
00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 1: thinking maybe she got lost, but if somebody took her,

323
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 1: maybe they're still close enough that they could find them

324
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,160
Speaker 1: and get her back safely from them. They absolutely took

325
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 1: this very seriously. They did not think that she had

326
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,679
Speaker 1: run away at all. They were very worried about her.

327
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,440
Speaker 1: The minutes tick by in the search and then there

328
00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,119
Speaker 1: is a break. Take a listen to share of Lane Aiken,

329
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,840
Speaker 1: and we want to send our condolences out to the

330
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: family of Athena Strand. Her body was recovered about two

331
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 1: hours ago, maybe three six miles that direction. It hurts

332
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 1: our hearts to know that that child died, so much

333
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: so that that she is on her way now to

334
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,879
Speaker 1: the Medici Sammer's office and there's a Texas ranger in

335
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 1: front of her, and there's a Texas ranger behind her.

336
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 1: This community does not like losing our children, and we

337
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: could see it because of all the people who came

338
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: out and helped us throughout this ordeal. The stepmother is

339
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 1: doing everything she can to find Athena. The bio dad

340
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 1: is gone. Of course, he turns around and comes back,

341
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 1: but he's gone. At the time of the disappearance, there's

342
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: no indication of a forced entry. There were no visitors

343
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: in the home, no relatives, no next door neighbors came over.

344
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at WF Cheer

345
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: of Lane Aiken of Wie County told us that law

346
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: enforcemen got a tip Friday regarding little Athena that they

347
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: knew a FedEx driver had been in the area of

348
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: Athena's house in rural Paradise around the time she went missing,

349
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: but the tip and investigative work leading them to thirty

350
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: one year old Tanner Lynn Horner, the driver of that

351
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 1: FedEx truck who was delivering a package to Athena's home.

352
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 1: He was taken into custody on Friday and gave a

353
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 1: confession to investigators per the sheriff, telling them where he

354
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: dumped Athena's body. It was found roughly six miles southeast

355
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: of Boyd. Investigators believe she died within an hour of

356
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: being abducted. An autopsy will be performed as well. You're

357
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,959
Speaker 1: hearing reports of the discovery of this seven year old

358
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 1: little girl's body. Authorities were led to her body by

359
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: a tip, a tip about a fed Ex delivery person.

360
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: It's every parent's worst nightmare. I was recently writing another book,

361
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: and it's called Don't Be a Victim. When I was

362
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 1: resar Don't Be a Victim, I did a whole segment,

363
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: a whole chapter on how to stay safe at your home.

364
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: And I wrote on and on about what to do

365
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: if a delivery man or a repairman comes to your

366
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 1: home that you don't know. I don't mean cousin Eddy

367
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: that can fix your fridge, mean anybody that comes to

368
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: your home, whether it's the pizza guy, the painter is

369
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: going to paint the back of your house, the delivery guy,

370
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: the electrician, how to take steps to protect yourself. And

371
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 1: you know, when I wrote the book, I was thinking

372
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: about mostly women living alone or with their roommates gone,

373
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: that find themselves alone and face with a prospect of

374
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: letting an unknown male into the home or female. And

375
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about the stepmom, probably in the kitchen

376
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: fixing supper, thinking Athena was back in her room, cooling

377
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: off from their argument about Dad taking a hunting trip.

378
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: And somehow, according to what we know now, Athena was

379
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: no longer in her room. She had been kidnapped and killed.

380
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining Stepmom, you know, making the pasta or

381
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: whatever she was making, and setting the table and she

382
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: goes to get Athena for supper. She's gone. Take a

383
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: listen now to our friends at kate x as Our

384
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: cut seven. The body of seven year old Athena Strand

385
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: has been found. A Wis County Sheriff Lane Atkin announced

386
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: late last night that Strand was kidnapped by a fed

387
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 1: Ex driver. That driver, he says, was doing a delivery,

388
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: had Athena's home at the same time. Atthena left home

389
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: after an argument with her stepmother. Sheriff Atkin says she

390
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: was likely killed within an hour after she was kidnapped.

391
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: Her body found southeast of Boyd, about ten miles from

392
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: where Athena was reported missing. Too Alexe to us, so

393
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: did the little girl, we think go outside? Did she

394
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: never go back to her room? She did go outside.

395
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if she went back to her room

396
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: first or not, but she did go out when I

397
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: guess when the truck was there. You know, Roma, Crispin,

398
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: it's just too much to take in that your child

399
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: goes outside to play and you have to worry that

400
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: the FedEx guys coming up the driveway. I mean, I

401
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: tell my children when a delivery person comes, don't open

402
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: the door. Do not open it. And we specifically, like

403
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: in the book, have a window by the door so

404
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: you can look out and see who it is, don't

405
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: open the door. But a seven year old child is

406
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: thinking like we think, Crispin, and she's already out there.

407
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: She's not in the home and she's outside when this

408
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: FedEx driver pulls up. Not in the town of seventy

409
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: thousand people, I guarantee you everybody sleep with their doors open,

410
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: in their cars left unlocked. Innocence of a seven year

411
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: old probably saw the truck coming up and was excited

412
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: to run out and say hi and get the package

413
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: for their parents. That's the sad part or the iron

414
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: of all this. So back to you, Alexis, to rush chuck, Alexis,

415
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the tip. Apparently it

416
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: was a neighbor in the community, in the neighborhood that

417
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: saw a FedEx driver. What do we know was in

418
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: the tip and why did the neighbor Why did that

419
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: stick out in the neighbor's mind. Leave that the neighbor

420
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: had seen the FedEx truck and it was around the

421
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: same time, and that it was very close to the house,

422
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: and so they thought, well, maybe something had happened there.

423
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: Everybody knows, you know, FedEx has the tracking on the truck,

424
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: and that that would be the reason that they would

425
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: be able to trace it very quickly and then they

426
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: could get the cell phone of the driver and find

427
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: out where it was. I don't know if the neighbor

428
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: and went into that much of depth, but you're absolutely correct,

429
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: Alexis terres Chuck, a neighbor happened to remember seeing a

430
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: FedEx truck. For all we know, Stepmom didn't even know

431
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: a package had been delivered. We don't know if it

432
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: was dropped at the mailbox or dropped on the front porch.

433
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: She may never have even seen the FedEx delivery guy.

434
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: But I want you to take a listen to what

435
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: the FBI says happened joining us at Fox knees. Listen.

436
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: When you look at the digital evidence that's out there

437
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: and you combine all these different things, it is very

438
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: easy need to track somebody if you have a combination

439
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: of a visual identification of what vehicle was, if they

440
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: have a tracking device on that truck, and if the

441
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: individual who kidnapped the girl has a cell phone on her.

442
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the seven year old had one

443
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: on her, but the phone company's in cooperation with law enforcement,

444
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: especially in an emergency circumstance, they have the ability to

445
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: track a phone. So and it's pretty easy to figure

446
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: out where it was. It's just a click of a button.

447
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: It just has to have legal approval straight out to

448
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: Robert Crispin joining us from Crispin Investigations dot com. So

449
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: what happened? How did they truck and buy his phone

450
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: or by the FedEx truck tracker and how does that work? So, Nancy,

451
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: these FedEx trucks, I'll have GPS's summer along the line

452
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: in this investigation. It started to move very quick and

453
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: they were probably able to determine what driver dropped that

454
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: package off and they probably won't write straight to FedEx.

455
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: And they were able to find out where is that truck,

456
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: get the history of it. Because GPS is you can

457
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: go back in time and you can do a playback,

458
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: and you can do a certain time. You can search

459
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: between one and five o'clock. It'll tell you exactly where

460
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: that truck is. And I guarantee they probably went and

461
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: did that, and that put that truck in that driveway

462
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: at that time, and it all started to come together.

463
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: Then they were able to go find the truck, identify

464
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: their driver, and start to move this case forward. Then

465
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: we can start doing cell phone work, I e. His

466
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: cell phone, the electronic digital leash that we all carry

467
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: every single day that reports to towers. There's hundreds of

468
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: towers everywhere, and each tower has an address. Some are

469
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: on private property, some are on businesses. And your phone

470
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: is you're talking and driving, is going to bounce off

471
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: these towers. If you drive from Miami to four Lauderdale,

472
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: you're bouncing off ten, fifteen, twenty different towers. And each

473
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: one of those towers have an address, so I can

474
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: track you, or anyone can track you, moving up an interstate,

475
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: moving through a neighborhood. Digital evidence the best evidence. It

476
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: brought him right to mister FedEx Man Time stories with

477
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me right now. Special Guest, Doctor Kendall Crowns,

478
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County, there In Texas Lecturer University Texas,

479
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Texas A and M and Faculty, University Texas Medical Branch,

480
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: Doctor Crowns, thank you for being with us, No problem, Nancy,

481
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: happy to be here, Doctor Crowns. I know that you

482
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: have done literally thousands of autopsies. Is it different when

483
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: you have to perform an autopsy on a child? Children?

484
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: Autopsies are always unfortunate. You know, it's emotionally a little

485
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: bit more taxing. But if you still follow the same

486
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: procedures and you have to come to the answers so

487
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: you can get the information necessary to help law enforcement

488
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: find out who did what or figure out what happened.

489
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: Would you say, doctor Crowns that when you have a

490
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: stranger on stranger child abduction, not when a family member

491
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: or relative martyrs a child, but stranger on stranger, the

492
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: motive is usually sex, a sex attack on the child. Yes,

493
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: typically when it's an unknown individual picking the child up,

494
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: it is they're a sexual motivation too. Yeuys, I want

495
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: you to hear more from our fens at Kho you

496
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: police A Tanner Horner, a contract driver for FedEx, was

497
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: delivering a package to the Strands home in Wise County

498
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: when she was abducted. Authorities believe at was killed only

499
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: an hour after she was taken. The video shared with

500
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: our sister station WFAA that you're seeing right now shows

501
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: investigators surrounding that truck in Paradise yesterday afternoon. Authority say

502
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Warner has confessed to talk to taking and killing Athena,

503
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: and they do not believe that he knew the family.

504
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: He's currently being held in Wis County Jail on a

505
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: one and a half million dollar bond. This little girl

506
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: was likely sex assaulted and murdered within one hour. This

507
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: beautiful little life ripped from her family and murdered. Statistics

508
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: show stranger on stranger abduction of children result in a

509
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: murder overwhelmingly within three hours. It brings to mind a mother,

510
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: Aaron Runyon, her gorgeous little girl, Samantha Runyan, and the killer,

511
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Ajandro Avila. Take a listen to our cut twenty four

512
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: our friends from Fox eleven. Little Samantha Runyan was taken

513
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: from her front yard in Stanton, kicking and screaming. Please

514
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: ask your captor to let you go. We love you.

515
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: She is my sill little Linda. Please let her go.

516
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: We won't sleep either, were you Alejandra Abila, an accused

517
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: child molester who had beat an earlier charge a few

518
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: years prior, dumped Samantha's body the next day after he

519
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: took her, abused her, and killed her. Abila now sits

520
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: on death row for what he did to Samantha. Another

521
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: case where the child and they are so many is

522
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: murdered within a very short time after the abduction, straight

523
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: out to our special guests, got a Johnson psychologist. What

524
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: is the thinking why murder the child and why so

525
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: quickly after the adduction? Well, there's probably two main reasons.

526
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: One of course is to avoid detection, and the other

527
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: is likely simply I'm done using the child. They're done

528
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: with the child, so there's no point in keeping them.

529
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: So it's like the child is why an empty McDonald's

530
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: coffee cup. He's throw it away, eased it and get

531
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: rid of it. You know, Nancy, this is Wendy. Another

532
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: reason it could be that a seven year old is verbal.

533
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: A seven year old is old enough to provide a

534
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: suspect description, to provide the vehicle. You know, this isn't

535
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: a three year old, So perhaps that's also a motivation.

536
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes in let's say older children older being seven or

537
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: older than that, she would have been able to describe

538
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: her as stilance to say, every time the fat X

539
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: comes to your house, you got to worry about your children.

540
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: You know how many times have I'd been walking or

541
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: jockey sometimes with one or both of my twins, and

542
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I see a truck going slowly behind us or in

543
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: front of us. I'm like, get off to the side.

544
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: Let mind me see this truck is because they're going

545
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: so slowly and I don't like that, it's abnormal. And

546
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: then I see it's FedEx truck or an Amazon truck.

547
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, never mind, it's FedEx. Come on, everything's okay.

548
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Not in this case. Take a listen to our cut sixteen.

549
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: This is raywas w FAA. The company also says contract

550
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: drivers have to go through a criminal history background check

551
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: through a third party. Horner does not appear to have

552
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: a prior criminal history. Authority say. Horner confessed to taking

553
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: and killing Athena and is currently in the Wise County

554
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: Jail on a one point five million dollar bond. As

555
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: to the why behind what Horner allegedly did to Athena

556
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, that is something we don't know yet. It's

557
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: been a really, really tough few days. It hurts our

558
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: hearts to know that that child died. And more from

559
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI from Fox And interestingly enough,

560
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: when I was looking at the FedEx page a minute

561
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: ago about what it takes to become a contractor, there

562
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: there are some things that they have, some hoops they

563
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: have to jump through. But one of the things that

564
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: surprised me is that if you have a felony or

565
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: any other record, or you're on probation or have been

566
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: on parole, they're okay with that as long as it's

567
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: been a year since those things passed. Now that's very

568
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: interesting to me because you know, in this country, if

569
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: you've done something and you're a felon, you probably have

570
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: a record of doing things. And as we see with

571
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: this alleged report from this other individual, this person had

572
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: a history potentially of and most likely of doing these

573
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: violent things. Yeah, that's a woman, said, a woman who

574
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: claims that he raped her when she was sixteen years old.

575
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: We don't know the disposition of that case. That's right.

576
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: This guy that fed Ex hired has claims in his

577
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: background that he is a rapist. Take a listen our

578
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: friends at crime Online. While Tanner Horner doesn't appear to

579
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: have a prior criminal record in Tarrant or Wise Counties,

580
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: sex assault claims have been made against the thirty one

581
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: year old. Twenty three year old Shay Marie from Texas

582
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: claimed in multiple Facebook posts that Horner allegedly raped her

583
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: when she was sixteen years old. In one of her posts,

584
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: Marie shared a screenshot of a text conversation between her

585
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: and Horner's then girlfriend. Marie wrote that Horner quote got

586
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: her drunk with the intention of having sex. Shay writes

587
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: she was nearly blackout drunk when Horner raped her. A

588
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: friend of Marie said in a social media post that

589
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Marie did report the rape to law enforcement. Marie wrote

590
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: Horner kept touching her, stroking her legs inside and wouldn't stop.

591
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: Marie said Horner wouldn't give her his address so she

592
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: could leave, and wouldn't leave the room so she could change.

593
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: Marie says Horner kept asking what he did wrong. Finally

594
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: Marie got ahold of a friend. She ran in the

595
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: bathroom to hide until her friend and her friend's mother

596
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: could come pick her up. In a November twenty seventeen

597
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: Facebook post, Marie writes friendly reminder that tan Or Horner

598
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: is a rapist, and in another from just last September,

599
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: Marie wrote that Horner got her drunk to take advantage

600
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: of her. Yet here he is driving up the driveway

601
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: that six acre plot and sitting right there, right there

602
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: is seven year old Athena outside playing. It's not the

603
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: first time a FedEx delivery person has been accused of

604
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: a sex felony. Take listen our friends at crime online.

605
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: Last year, a FedEx delivery man in New York was

606
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: accused of rape and sexual abuse, evolving several teenagers. He

607
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: allegedly scouted his victims while driving his route in Duchess County.

608
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Joshua Again, thirty, was charged with two counts of rape,

609
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: two counts of criminal sexual act, and forcible touching. WABC

610
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: reports Guineyard was accused of picking up the girls in

611
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: his delivery truck, giving them marijuana, and assaulting them. In August,

612
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: another FedEx driver in New York was charged with murder

613
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: and arson after an elderly woman's body was discovered after

614
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: a house fire. Twenty four year old Anthony Dotson of

615
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: Yorkville drove a route near the woman's home. In March,

616
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: a FedEx driver in Connecticut was accused of breaking into

617
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: a Bridgepoort home holding a woman and her children hostage.

618
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: Warren Say Tirek Herbert, twenty, had approached the woman while

619
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: she was taking a walk and introduced himself as a

620
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: FedEx driver. The next morning, while the woman was making breakfast,

621
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: Herbert knocked at her door pointed a gun at the

622
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: woman and forced his way inside. Herbert ordered the woman

623
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: to get on the floor. When the woman screamed in

624
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: Spanish for her children to run to a neighbor's house,

625
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: Herbert began shaking his head and hugging the victim, telling her, ma'am,

626
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got the wrong person. Then he left.

627
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: The Post reported that weeks later, Herbert forced his way

628
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: into a college student's home and raped her. Nearly a

629
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: year ago, a FedEx delivery driver in western North Carolina

630
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: was charged with breaking into at least eleven homes before

631
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: being captured on surveillance video. Investigators found several pieces of

632
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: jewelry and two guns in the driver's FedEx vehicle. You know,

633
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: when I see the FedEx driver pull up the driveway,

634
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: I usually go get a cold water bottle water to

635
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: give to them and welcome them, looking forward to whatever

636
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: package they're bringing. It's not safe, and it's not safe

637
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: for your children. If you think you're invincible, you know

638
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: your children are not. This step mom could have no

639
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: idea what was going to befall Athena that day. From

640
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Cherish Periwinkle to Jessica Lonsford, children are killed within a

641
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: few hours after they're kidnapped by strangers. Alexis terres Chuck.

642
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: Where does the case stand now? Though he is in

643
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: a custody, he has been arrested and the police have

644
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: said that he confessed. They will not release the details

645
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: of confession, but they said he absolutely confessed and that

646
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: is how they have charged him with her murder. Corner

647
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: is being held on one point five million dollars bond.

648
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: Reminded to everyone this occurred in Paradise, Texas, where the

649
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: death penalty is absolutely in force. We wait as justice unfalls.

650
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,