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Speaker 2: This is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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Speaker 3: the beginning of today's episode. This will be an all

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Speaker 3: new listener Mail episode, but for the rest of this

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Speaker 3: week we are going to be running some Vault episodes

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Speaker 4: All right, what are we have in the nail bag today? Joe?

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Speaker 3: Let's see. I think I'm going to kick things off

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Speaker 3: with this message from Ginger responding to our series on

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Speaker 3: Anomalous imagery. This was a series we did on weird

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Speaker 3: looking fuzzy images. Specifically, we focused on images from deep

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Speaker 3: underwater or from things created in ancient history, images that

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Speaker 3: some people are quick to interpret as evidence for their

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Speaker 3: highly speculative theory of choice aliens, atlantis, time travelers, etc.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of what we talked about in that

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Speaker 3: series was the correspondence between the objective qualities of images

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Speaker 3: and patterns in how people interpret those images. So, for example,

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Speaker 3: the more fuzzy and ambiguous the imagery is in the

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Speaker 3: first place, probably the better for people who want to

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Speaker 3: use it to support their alien riddled model of the world,

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Speaker 3: because higher quality or higher resolution imagery tends to be

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Speaker 3: more easily identified as whatever it actually is, and so

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Speaker 3: far it has never been aliens. So moving on to

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Speaker 3: this message from Ginger, Ginger says, hi, guys, and she

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Speaker 3: includes a photo for us to look out of a

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Speaker 3: large boulder sort of a rock out cropping situated over

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Speaker 3: a freeway. Ginger says, this is a rock I have

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Speaker 3: seen all my life driving on the freeway past Eagle Rock, California.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty iconic.

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Speaker 4: In these parts.

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Speaker 3: As a kid, I was fascinated by the eagle head

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Speaker 3: I saw with the eyebrow extending out and the beak

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Speaker 3: carving into the hillside on the left. Folks, see, you

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Speaker 3: can't see what we're looking at here, but I do

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Speaker 3: see what Ginger is talking about. Look, the image she

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Speaker 3: included does look like an eagle's head with a kind

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Speaker 3: of curved beak coming down in the front. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then there's a kind of recess in the rock

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Speaker 4: Okay, I can see that. I can see an eagle here.

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Speaker 3: But then Ginger says, a few years ago, I found

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Speaker 3: what I thought was the eye. There is no beak.

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Speaker 3: My reaction to this new information was conflicted. I think

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Speaker 3: I felt scammed at first. Obviously, some of the eagle

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Speaker 3: head mostly, but I can switch over when I want to.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for all you do, Ginger. And then Rabbi attached

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Speaker 3: a photo that she included at the end of her

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Speaker 3: But I do see the point you're making. Ginger. How

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Speaker 3: with like priming that you're supposed to see an eagle

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Speaker 3: in this rock, you saw a completely different eagle than

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Speaker 3: it also with the correct priming, which is evidence of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I wonder what it says about like modern

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Speaker 3: I think another thing could easily just be also the

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Speaker 3: whereas people one hundred years ago or hundreds of years

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's see what we have here next

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Speaker 4: for us. Oh.

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Speaker 2: In other news necromancy, This one comes to us from Jamie.

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Speaker 2: Jamie says, Dear Robert and Joe. I'm enjoying the pot

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Speaker 2: as ever, and the current series on necromancy is especially fun.

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Speaker 2: If you're looking for examples of how gen Z is

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Speaker 2: doing necromancy, I'd recommend the very recent Australian film Talk

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Speaker 2: to Me spoiler alert. They don't follow the rules as

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Speaker 2: a good ancient Mesopotamian would, and it does not go well.

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Speaker 2: Some things never change, I suppose.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they followed the in key do path of

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Speaker 3: maybe I will throw throwing sticks at the dead in

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Speaker 3: the nether world even though I wasn't supposed to. That

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Speaker 3: didn't go so well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there aren't a lot of movies in

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Speaker 2: novels about strictly successful necromancy. I mean, that's not the trope.

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Speaker 3: And they followed the instructions and the tablets to a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those boring necromanci story. Ever, something's got to go wrong, right,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Jamie continues on a much schlockier note. You

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Speaker 2: might also want to try Brian Lumley's Necroscope series of novels,

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Speaker 2: which have it all fungal vampires from a parallel Hell dimension,

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Speaker 2: embryonic mind transfer, and at the heart of it all,

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Speaker 2: a battle between cold war necromancers. I think they're enormous fun,

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Speaker 2: but I cannot stress enough how trash youth these books are.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say he has trouble writing female characters,

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Speaker 2: but to be honest, he just has trouble writing characters.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Brian Lumley was the inspiration for Channel

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Speaker 2: four's parody dream Weave A plus actor Garth MORANGI. Keep

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Speaker 2: up the good work, Jamie.

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Speaker 3: I have always wanted to read at Garth Morangi novel,

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Speaker 3: So maybe this is as close as I'll get. I've

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Speaker 3: got to check this out now.

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Speaker 2: I recently before this email came in, I've talked about

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Speaker 2: my decision fatigue, feelings of over choice when it comes

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Speaker 2: to book samples, and so I'll be like up late

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Speaker 2: at night and I'll think back on book covers I

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Speaker 2: saw when I was a kid, and I'll go like,

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Speaker 2: I should give that a go. Some people like that,

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Speaker 2: some people were nostalgic for that. And I do remember

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Speaker 2: seeing the Necroscope book covers, especially the one that had

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Speaker 2: the really frightening, like screaming vampire skull I think, with

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Speaker 2: a tongue, monster tongue coming out of it. And I

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Speaker 2: remember at the time like being like a little I

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Speaker 2: was like reading all these Stephen King books, which was

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Speaker 2: probably quite inappropriate in junior high. But something about those

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Speaker 2: Necroscope covers, I was like, this is the hard stuff.

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Speaker 2: read them, and I did pick up a sample of

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Speaker 2: Necroscope the first one, and yeah, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't disinterested, but it's just so hard for me to

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Speaker 2: actually latch onto a book these days because then my

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Speaker 2: mind's wandering, Well, what's another book that people seem to

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Speaker 2: like that I never read and you know, came out

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Speaker 3: I've never read any of these books. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I'm familiar with the covers really, but I just looked

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're in the Halloween season. Maybe I'll pick

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Speaker 3: Oh, but also, Jamie, I want to give a big

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Speaker 3: thumbs up to your recommendation of Talk to Me. This

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Speaker 3: is a very recent horror film that I actually just

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Speaker 3: It's got a great cast. Sophie Wilde and the rest

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Speaker 4: I'm cool. I'll have to check it out all right.

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Speaker 3: This next message is from Russell. Russell says, Hi, Robert

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Speaker 3: and Joe. I was recently listening to The Necromantic Urge

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Speaker 3: Part two episode and near the end you were discussing

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Speaker 3: idea that on rare occasions the dead might do the same.

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Speaker 3: Fridays when I can hear about another weird movie to

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Speaker 3: add to my watch list. You've mentioned the idea of

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Speaker 3: you should absolutely cover Roger Corman's Frankenstein Unbound, a movie

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Speaker 3: that includes accidental time travel, children having a funeral for

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Speaker 3: a bike, and the incomparable Raoul Julia. Thanks for all

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Speaker 3: you do. You have my permission to use my name

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Speaker 3: on the podcast. Okay, thank you, Russell, sincerely Russell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I always feel free to specify stuff like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: think a look at parasomnia in the ancient world would

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Speaker 2: good topic idea. We might have to come back to that,

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Speaker 2: because you know, presumably people in the ancient world had

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Speaker 2: Your podcast got me into reading all the culture novels

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Speaker 3: I just looked up this book and there is a

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Speaker 3: This last message is from Lee regarding Stickiness and Weird

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Speaker 3: House Cinema. Lee says, hello again, Rob, Joe, and JJ.

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Speaker 3: Do to something in the way the settings in my

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Speaker 3: I just finished the third episode of Stickiness. Well that's okay, Lee,

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Speaker 3: the first sticky monster coming to mind is The Blob

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Speaker 3: nineteen fifty eight, especially the arrival and the Old Man.

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Speaker 3: I just recently rewatched this classic film, which I believe

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Speaker 3: Do you need an excuse? From what I do? Remember?

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Speaker 3: It would be a fun episode as always looking forward

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Speaker 3: I feel like the original Blob is a lot sillier

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Speaker 2: Yeah, As for gargoyles, all right, another vote for gargoyles.

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