Speaker 1: From the dark corners of the web, an emerging mindset.
Speaker 2: I'm a loser if also we know what to day
Speaker 2: me either a.
Speaker 3: Hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at a
Speaker 3: deadly tipping point. In Cells will be added to the
Speaker 3: terrorism Guide.
Speaker 2: I see literally zero hope.
Speaker 1: This is in Cells, a production of KT's Studios and iHeartRadio,
Speaker 1: Season one, episode seven, the seven six' Four.
Speaker 3: Network, certainly when you live stream your, attack you're making
Speaker 3: yourself easier to, catch so they care more about getting
Speaker 3: the message out there than they do about getting a.
Speaker 1: Wave the judge Describe bennington's messages to his victims as,
Speaker 1: repeated cruel and.
Speaker 2: Sadistic i'll read you one more.
Speaker 3: Quote women have a fantasy of being, stocked, raped held,
Speaker 3: hostage and.
Speaker 2: Murdered they wish they were.
Speaker 1: Victims I'm Courtney, armstrong a producer AT Kati studios With Stephanie,
Speaker 1: Leidecker Gabriel, Castillo Connor, powell And Carolyn. Miller trigger. Warning
Speaker 1: we're going to hear about a nihilist group called seven six.'
Speaker 1: FOUR the fbi classifies this group as a high, level
Speaker 1: threat and there are graphic descriptors of. Child exploitation this
Speaker 1: episode takes a deep dive INSIDE The Us. Attorney's Office
Speaker 1: david ryan speaks with unique authority as someone who's been
Speaker 1: in the trenches working with victims. ON cases a former
Speaker 1: chief Of The National security division At The United States
Speaker 1: attorney's Office In, Los angeles david offers an inside look
Speaker 1: at how these crimes are investigated and prosecuted.
Speaker 3: At The United States attorney's office Here In. Los angeles
Speaker 3: we Have A National, security DIVISION and i was the
Speaker 3: chief Of That National, security division and we've invested in
Speaker 3: prosecute cases that involve domestic. International terrorism we all so
Speaker 3: investing and prosecute, cyber intrusions, cyber hacking.
Speaker 1: Cyber stocking you mentioned an increase in online threats and
Speaker 1: in cyber stocking in the past ten years. Or so
Speaker 1: what did that look like in your world of, your
Speaker 1: job and then are there any sort of theories on.
Speaker 3: The, increase yes starting in around, twenty fifteen over the past,
Speaker 3: ten years there has been an increase in. These cases
Speaker 3: there are a couple of different aspects. To that one
Speaker 3: is the increase in threats involving, anti government, anti authority.
Speaker 3: Violent extremism we saw the rise of threats and stalking
Speaker 3: and swatting schemes committed by people engaged in, other ideologies
Speaker 3: whether that's what are these gender based violent ideologies like
Speaker 3: in sell or. Other, IDEOLOGIES so i think as more
Speaker 3: and more of the world moved online and into, social
Speaker 3: media we saw that coincide with just arise in that
Speaker 3: sort of criminal.
Speaker 1: Threatening activity do you think globally people are becoming more
Speaker 1: prone to being radicalized because they're hearing so much more
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 4: Same content we have had several cases where individuals were,
Speaker 4: radicalized online whether on forums like discord or gab Or,
Speaker 4: four chan where they were exposed to increasingly extremist ideas.
Speaker 3: And ideologies maybe it starts as exploring what they would
Speaker 3: call it edgy or extreme or gore content that's more
Speaker 3: in a fantasy context or a, joking context and then
Speaker 3: over time it moves more and more towards reality.
Speaker 1: For them how do you determine the Difference between i'm
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old joking with my Buds and i'm?
Speaker 1: A threat how does that even?
Speaker 3: Be determined certainly there is a Line Between first amendment
Speaker 3: protected activity and. Criminal activity law enforcement gets involved when
Speaker 3: somebody crosses that line and starts directly threatening or harassing
Speaker 3: or stocking or. Victimizing somebody now there's a separate set
Speaker 3: of facts where a person may be discussing a crime
Speaker 3: that they seek to commit in. The future we IN
Speaker 3: the fbi would would aggressively start to look into that
Speaker 3: to determine whether they've crossed the line from thinking about
Speaker 3: committing an attack to actually attempting to. Do so in,
Speaker 3: the law a person can be prosecuted for attempting to
Speaker 3: carry out an attack like that if they take some
Speaker 3: substantial step Towards committing so a challenge in this, area is,
Speaker 3: you know if someone engages in discussion of what they
Speaker 3: would like to do and fantasizes online about committing a
Speaker 3: shooting at, a school, for example you know that alone
Speaker 3: is not a. Criminal, act well when they start taking
Speaker 3: steps to carry, it out that's law enforcement can. Step them?
Speaker 1: Got it that seems like it's a scary.
Speaker 3: Small window the one thing THAT the fbi has been.
Speaker 3: Public about one thing that we have seen is that
Speaker 3: the window of time between what we would call the
Speaker 3: radicalization to the mobilization has been shrinking over the last.
Speaker 3: Several years so the time between when someone becomes radicalized
Speaker 3: and starts expressing that they want to carry. Out violence
Speaker 3: between that point and when they actually mobilize to carry out,
Speaker 3: the violence that period of time has. Been shrinked so
Speaker 3: we used to see if you look at, successful attackers
Speaker 3: the time between when they started talking about when they
Speaker 3: did it would be maybe a period. Of months now
Speaker 3: you're seeing that time shrink to less, than that maybe weeks,
Speaker 3: or days which again just lessens the time for law
Speaker 3: enforcement for members of the community see that activity and
Speaker 3: put law enforcement and position.
Speaker 2: TO stop.
Speaker 1: I asked david why he thought, that trolling deliberately posting
Speaker 1: provocative messages with the goal of upsetting someone is so
Speaker 1: prevalent in general within in. Cell groups if.
Speaker 3: You go to the more extreme version of, the ideology
Speaker 3: the ideology does hold that through the development, of feminism
Speaker 3: women have gained too much agency and power or in
Speaker 3: the so called, sexual marketplace and the right quote unquote
Speaker 3: way would instead be that men should control that MARKETS
Speaker 3: and i think a lot of, the again the social
Speaker 3: currency that you can gain within that community is from
Speaker 3: speaking that. Into existence this is how we would talk
Speaker 3: if we ran, The world we should run. The World.
Speaker 1: The Center For Countering digital hate reported that post mentioning
Speaker 1: rape were ON major insul forums every twenty, nine minutes
Speaker 1: and that eighty nine percent of posts in relevant discussion
Speaker 1: boards supported sexual violence. AGAINST women, I asked david has thoughts.
Speaker 3: The more extreme version of the ideology would sanction seek
Speaker 3: to legalize rape? Sexual assault the more extreme version of
Speaker 3: the ideology valorizes prior members who have committed mass shootings
Speaker 3: of women or at sororities or at, Mail salons so,
Speaker 3: you know in, that context it's not so that within
Speaker 3: that community they would valorize for, joke about, or discuss,
Speaker 3: you know in a, positive way, committing violence, sexual violence
Speaker 3: or otherwise. Against Her.
Speaker 1: David ryan breaks down one disturbing CASE and insul in
Speaker 1: his Thirties Named, carl bennington who targeted and cyberstocked multiple
Speaker 1: teenage girls he. Met online he threatened violence and even
Speaker 1: death if they refused his demands. For sex david explains. The, case.
Speaker 3: So mister bennington had been messaging several teenage girls repeatedly
Speaker 3: and aggressively for, several years and then certain of those
Speaker 3: victims reached out to, law enforcement and we began investigating
Speaker 3: him out of our office for at least. Four years
Speaker 3: what we learned was That mister bennington had become increasingly
Speaker 3: consumed by in cell ideology and he began to act
Speaker 3: out that ideology towards these. Individual victims the evidence that
Speaker 3: we obtained was that he had gone from seeking relationships with,
Speaker 3: these children, you know teenage girls two when they, rejected
Speaker 3: him demanding that they have a sexual relationship, with him
Speaker 3: and then when they rejected, him again ultimately turning to
Speaker 3: threatening graphically to commit acts of violence and sexual assault
Speaker 3: against them and.
Speaker 2: THEIR families.
Speaker 1: I Asked, how bennington in his thirties at, the time
Speaker 1: first encountered these.
Speaker 3: Underage girls this is not a group like there are
Speaker 3: some others where they primarily congregate in invite only chat
Speaker 3: groups where victims are. Lured to in cells often reach
Speaker 3: their victims as, he did just by reaching out on
Speaker 3: traditional social, media platforms and initially they reach out in
Speaker 3: potentially a friendly way because they're interested in trying to develop,
Speaker 3: a relationship and when things turn south is when the
Speaker 3: girl or woman declines and then they become. Increasingly aggressive
Speaker 3: it can become a federal case as well when threats
Speaker 3: are communicated over, the internet and when stalking is called.
Speaker 3: Cyber stocking when you stalk someone online through repeated and harassing.
Speaker 2: Internet messaging.
Speaker 1: The indictment contains Specific writing, bennington posted as well as
Speaker 1: messages he sent directly to the. Underage Girls david ryan
Speaker 1: read some of the posts so you can understand the
Speaker 1: level of violence and even death threats these girls. Were facing.
Speaker 3: There are a few messages that really highlight what his,
Speaker 3: ideology Was and i'll read you those. As well bennington
Speaker 3: he was what you may call in the in cell
Speaker 3: community blue or maybe, red pilled which is that he
Speaker 3: was focused on what he would call alpha. Male ideology
Speaker 3: he was focused on the notion that women desired men
Speaker 3: who are dominating and almost a caricature.
Speaker 2: Of what he would quote unquote.
Speaker 3: Alpha male shortly before some of the worst threats in,
Speaker 3: this case he wrote online quote women's narcissism has been
Speaker 3: getting out. Of hand they need to be put back
Speaker 3: in their. Fucking place. Fuck women shortly, after that, he
Speaker 3: wrote feminists are a man hating group where they want
Speaker 3: to take away our confidence and turn us into, some insecure.
Speaker 2: Emotional douchebag i'll read you one.
Speaker 3: More quote women have a fantasy of, being, stocked raped,
Speaker 3: held hostage.
Speaker 2: And murdered they wish they.
Speaker 3: Were victims then he started writing to the victims quote
Speaker 3: don't fucking.
Speaker 2: Squirm or you'll get.
Speaker 3: SLAPPED around i own, you now and you're gonna DO
Speaker 3: as i Say because I'm. Fucking god and he sent
Speaker 3: that along with a picture of a woman with her.
Speaker 3: Hands tied so hatred of feminism and a belief that
Speaker 3: the quote alpha male was the ideal to. Strive for
Speaker 3: this is him flirting in, his worldview and going between
Speaker 3: flirting and then being angry that it's.
Speaker 2: NOT working.
Speaker 1: I asked how, this illegal offensive and violent language could
Speaker 1: be misconstrued as flirting. By anyone.
Speaker 3: There's that spectrum where they haven't quote unquote given up
Speaker 3: on trying to adopt this caricature. Of masculinity they are
Speaker 3: playing out the view that this is what, should work
Speaker 3: that this sort of, hyper aggressive persistent pursuit is actually what,
Speaker 3: should work and there's teaching within the so called manosphere along.
Speaker 3: THOSE lines i think there's also a view that men
Speaker 3: are entitled to the woman that. They want in one
Speaker 3: of his, direct messages, He wrote i'm outside your window.
Speaker 3: Watching you you better be on. The lookout if you
Speaker 3: know what's good, for You only god can. Save you
Speaker 3: slut dog or bark, for me you. Little slut based
Speaker 3: on the training they've received and based on, their worldview
Speaker 3: they are entitled, to success and maybe they should be
Speaker 3: having success in the fact that there instead experiencing rejection
Speaker 3: will lead.
Speaker 1: To anger outside of these, horrifying messages we Asked if
Speaker 1: bennington showed any kind of pattern or warning science beyond the,
Speaker 1: cyberstalking itself anything that suggested he might escalate to. Physical violence.
Speaker 3: First, of all these threats already provoke terror and fear
Speaker 3: to the victims and, their families and he and others
Speaker 3: have been and will continue to be properly prosecuted for
Speaker 3: the damage they're causing through their online cyber stocking. And
Speaker 3: threats with respect to going from online threats to, physical,
Speaker 3: violence yes. It's concerning when he demonstrated that he knew
Speaker 3: where these victims lived and that he had the ability
Speaker 3: to go to. Their houses when he began talking to
Speaker 3: them about being outside of their house or being outside of,
Speaker 3: their bedroom regardless of whether he was, or wasn't that
Speaker 3: indicates that in, his mind that's where he was going.
Speaker 2: To it and then other things that we in law.
Speaker 3: Enforcement would look at are things like an individual's access,
Speaker 3: to weapons ability, to travel, criminal history prior acts, of
Speaker 3: violence and. Other indicators, and, then finally depending on the
Speaker 3: level of insight we have into, an individual often in
Speaker 3: cells carry out mass, casualty attacks do post or something like,
Speaker 3: a manifesto either publicly or share. With, friends tragically we
Speaker 3: often learn about that only shortly before or after they
Speaker 3: carry out.
Speaker 1: An attack there does seem like there is a proliferation
Speaker 1: of people posting manifestos or publicly sharing. This information any
Speaker 1: thoughts on why people are publicly SAYING now i am
Speaker 1: planning on doing THIS or i just.
Speaker 3: Did, THIS yeah, i mean that's been something that's been
Speaker 3: consistent for a long time in iologically, motived violence and
Speaker 3: these individuals are clear that they are committing an attack
Speaker 3: with the goal of both putting their view out there
Speaker 3: to inspire others who are like minded to follow their
Speaker 3: lead and trying to expose the broader community to their
Speaker 3: worldview which they would like other people, to understand if.
Speaker 3: Not adopt and in the insul context as well, as
Speaker 3: others may have been somewhat successful at that where every
Speaker 3: successive attacker cites a prior attacker as a part of,
Speaker 3: their inspiration which raises an interesting CHALLENGE for i think,
Speaker 3: the community for, more broadly of how to cover and
Speaker 3: talk about, these attacks because the communities of people who
Speaker 3: are like minded certainly valorized and draw inspiration from the
Speaker 3: amount of attention that.
Speaker 1: They receive it seems like bad guys used to want
Speaker 1: to hide their crimes versus live stream them or leave
Speaker 1: evidence publicly all over.
Speaker 3: Social, media certainly when you live stream, your attack you're
Speaker 3: making yourself. To catch so, THE inference i think is
Speaker 3: fair that they care more about getting the message out
Speaker 3: there than they do about getting. A laved so certainly
Speaker 3: the public messaging in the attempt to create a certain
Speaker 3: media narrative is central to. Their motivation but in a
Speaker 3: case where we are looking into someone before they've committed a,
Speaker 3: physical attack if we see anything indicating their hope or
Speaker 3: desire to become a martyr or what they would say
Speaker 3: an insult to go er meaning to follow in the
Speaker 3: Footsteps Of, elliott roger, you know that would be a
Speaker 3: reference to committing, an attack and that would heighten.
Speaker 2: The concern.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for. A break we'll be back in.
Speaker 1: A Moment david ryan explained that In the, bennington case
Speaker 1: investigators learned he had access to weapons, And transportation he owned,
Speaker 1: a car had, some money and knew where his. Victims
Speaker 1: lived david continues.
Speaker 3: He did not have all of, the indicators so he
Speaker 3: did not seem To Idolize. Elliott roger at one point,
Speaker 3: he wrote Actually that roger was weak for having turned
Speaker 3: to violence rather than bettering himself and following the quote
Speaker 3: unquote alpha rules that he was trying, to follow and
Speaker 3: that again is consistent with the sort of the divide
Speaker 3: or the range within the in cell community of someone
Speaker 3: who's not yet blackpilled, would say you don't need to
Speaker 3: resort to mass violence or the destruction. Of society you
Speaker 3: can follow these rules or follow these systems to better quote.
Speaker 3: Unquote yourself and those are twisted rules and twisted systems
Speaker 3: like what he.
Speaker 2: Was showing.
Speaker 1: The Judge describe bennington's messages to his victims, as repeated cruel. And,
Speaker 1: sadistic ultimately the case never went. To trial bennington pleaded
Speaker 1: guilty to two counts. Of Cyberstalking david ryan explained that
Speaker 1: one of the primary purposes of sentencing is to protect
Speaker 1: the public from future crimes by. The defendant in, This
Speaker 1: case bennington served eighteen months. In prison his sentence also
Speaker 1: included three years of residential mental, health treatment a no
Speaker 1: contact order with, his victims as well as search conditions
Speaker 1: allowing law enforcement to monitor his home. And devices david
Speaker 1: explains what role he believed social media companies should play
Speaker 1: in assisting. Law enforcement.
Speaker 3: It is a federal crime to write, threatening messages to
Speaker 3: send threats to individuals on social. Media platforms it's a
Speaker 3: federal crime, to, stalk harass or intimidate. Someone online so
Speaker 3: these messages that he was sending were, criminal acts just
Speaker 3: as sending illicit child pornography or other contraband through these
Speaker 3: social media platforms would be a crime that would be
Speaker 3: prohibited on. These sites so it gets perfectly appropriate that
Speaker 3: these sites have policies and algorithms in place to ensure
Speaker 3: that people are not using them to commit. Federal crimes in,
Speaker 3: this case a challenge is his accounts were deleted and
Speaker 3: he made, new ones but that's certainly better than no action.
Speaker 3: Being taken it is very difficult and can, be traumatizing
Speaker 3: and it's something for parents to be aware of.
Speaker 2: As well.
Speaker 1: David updated us on the victims in this case and
Speaker 1: on the impact of their courage and coming forward.
Speaker 3: It was a very positive thing for the victims in
Speaker 3: this case to have the prosecution go forward and to
Speaker 3: have this defendant not only in capacitated for a couple,
Speaker 3: of years but then receive a significant amount of mentame
Speaker 3: health treatment so that they can move on with. Their
Speaker 3: Lives and i'm sure it was scary for them to
Speaker 3: come forward, because people first, of all maybe don't want
Speaker 3: to come forward and involve themselves with, law enforcement or
Speaker 3: maybe worry that they will further provoke this person who
Speaker 3: is unstable and acting violently. Toward them they also likely
Speaker 3: saved countless other girls and women from having to experience
Speaker 3: similar or worse harm from, This defendant AND so i
Speaker 3: think it's it's not just a brave thing, they did
Speaker 3: but a heroic thing that they did to come forward
Speaker 3: and get this.
Speaker 1: Case done is there anything that you would say to
Speaker 1: a parent if your child or yourself are, being victimized
Speaker 1: or if you think someone in, your life, your son,
Speaker 1: your nephew is going down.
Speaker 5: This, PATH well i think if someone's experiencing this activity
Speaker 5: targeted at them or their friend or, FAMILY member i
Speaker 5: think one lesson is to understand that it.
Speaker 2: May not just go away on.
Speaker 3: Its own and that it can escalate they. Feel rejection
Speaker 3: and so if someone does receive sort of messages that
Speaker 3: starts to cross the line and suggests that either threatening
Speaker 3: or obsessive infatuation that makes them feel uncomfortable, or nervous
Speaker 3: that they should reach out to the local police department
Speaker 3: or they can reach out TO. The fbi but if
Speaker 3: they feel that they're in any sort, of danger the
Speaker 3: first step is always to reach out to the local.
Speaker 3: Police department federal criminal prosecutions are made every day based
Speaker 3: on law enforcement and prosecutors identifying who's behind. The keyboard
Speaker 3: so people who think they can hide behind the keyboard
Speaker 3: and commit crimes and victimize, people online that's not. The
Speaker 3: case and so for those who are experience that, as victims.
Speaker 3: Rest assured if you do reach out to, law enforcement
Speaker 3: we may be able to come in. And help and as,
Speaker 3: a prosecutor our primary goal is to disrupt criminal activity
Speaker 3: before new victims, are created and we can't always, do
Speaker 3: that but when we are, able too it is often
Speaker 3: because someone in the life of, that person either the
Speaker 3: offender or, a victim came forward to law enforcement, And,
Speaker 3: said hey something is not right HERE and i just
Speaker 3: can't encourage, the public and parents and friends of children
Speaker 3: who are experiencing this sort of conduct can enchuras them
Speaker 3: strongly enough to make that outreach if something doesn't seem.
Speaker 2: Quite right.
Speaker 1: In Speaking With, david ryan the conversation turned to something
Speaker 1: none of us had heard, of before the seven six.
Speaker 1: Four group The FBI's Child Exploitation Operational Unit Chief abigail boccaccio,
Speaker 1: has said people are not understanding the severity the speed
Speaker 1: at which their children can. Become victimized these are offenders
Speaker 1: that have the ability to change your child's life in
Speaker 1: a matter. Of minutes we've said, this before but want
Speaker 1: to be. Absolutely clear we are not suggesting that all
Speaker 1: in cells, are violent nor are the in cell community
Speaker 1: with groups like seven six. Y four they are distinct. And,
Speaker 1: different however when we heard about, this newer highly dangerous,
Speaker 1: online network it became a matter of. Public concern sharing
Speaker 1: this information isn't, about fear it's about awareness. And Prevention david,
Speaker 1: ryan explains.
Speaker 3: Seven sixty four is a more recent, threat stream and
Speaker 3: certain of the CASES that i have been involved in
Speaker 3: our ongoing in the sense that the defendants have not
Speaker 3: been sentenced over the last, several years we've seen an
Speaker 3: increase in criminal activity from what we call the seven six.
Speaker 3: Four group that criminal activity has primarily involved what we,
Speaker 3: put exploitation meaning the sexual exploitation of. Children online the
Speaker 3: most common way that has played out is members of
Speaker 3: this group condregating, online forums Typically on discord or, other
Speaker 3: platforms where they can maintain control over a check group
Speaker 3: where they can invite users, exclude users and then within
Speaker 3: the group they can have live, video chats they can
Speaker 3: stream or send, video recordings and within, those groups the
Speaker 3: individuals participating in the seven six four network have essentially
Speaker 3: helped train each other on how to groom children to
Speaker 3: provide them with videos and photographs of themselves engaging in.
Speaker 3: Sexual activities once they have those videos, or photographs the
Speaker 3: playbook is that the seven six four members will then
Speaker 3: use those videos and photographs to blackmail the children to
Speaker 3: provide more by threatening them with exposing the photos and
Speaker 3: videos that they've. Already gotten.
Speaker 1: The network was founded in twenty twenty One By Bradley,
Speaker 1: chance cadenhead a Teenager, From. Stephanville texas the name seven
Speaker 1: six y four come from the first three digits of his.
Speaker 1: Zip code caden had extorted miners forcing his victims to produce,
Speaker 1: pornographic material engage in animal cruelty and. Self harm his
Speaker 1: motivations appear to include a desire for status, and power
Speaker 1: referring to himself as being a. God Online on, may
Speaker 1: sixteenth twenty, twenty three he was sentenced to eighty years.
Speaker 1: In prison after, Reviewing evidence the judge presiding over the
Speaker 1: Case addressed cadenhead saying there is something horribly wrong. With
Speaker 1: You Horribly david. RYAN continues.
Speaker 3: A unique piece for this group is they appear to
Speaker 3: be motivated not only by, sexual gratification but also by
Speaker 3: what we call a nihilistic, extremist ideology where in their
Speaker 3: view and, their discussions they talk about wanting to corrupt
Speaker 3: the youth of society to contribute to the decay and
Speaker 3: downfall of sit and so they not only demand and
Speaker 3: threaten their victims to provide, sexual content they also demand other,
Speaker 3: essentially degrading harmful and, violent acts such as they demand
Speaker 3: that their victims provide videos of cutting the perpetrators' names
Speaker 3: into their bodies, with knives videos of themselves assaulting animals.
Speaker 3: Or vomiting they will often engage in essentially a sick
Speaker 3: and twisted competitive game to see who can get their
Speaker 3: victims to engage in the most painful and vile acts of.
Speaker 2: Self harm they will have their victims.
Speaker 3: Feel compelled to keep providing content because of. The blackmail.
Speaker 1: Let's stop here for. Another break they'll be back in.
Speaker 1: A MOMENT the fbi is currently investigating hundreds of cases
Speaker 1: related to seven sixty four in. Its Offshoots all field
Speaker 1: offices are involved in, some capacity and numerous members and
Speaker 1: network leaders have been arrested. And CONVICTED the fbi and
Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies have issued public service announcements to raise
Speaker 1: awareness of the network and urge parents to. Be vigilant.
Speaker 3: It is a common feature that the grooming will start
Speaker 3: with what appears to be a normal. Online relationship so
Speaker 3: the seven six full member will love bond a, victim
Speaker 3: meeting just overwhelm them, with sweet complementary support, and conversation
Speaker 3: offer to send, them money buy, them phones by them
Speaker 3: digital currency to use in online, video games and just
Speaker 3: be a. Support online develop what appears to be an
Speaker 3: actual online, romantic relationship and then it will all change
Speaker 3: once they convince the thing to provide the, sexual concept
Speaker 3: the seven sixpore members use the sexually explicit content yes
Speaker 3: to blackmail the victims who, write more but they use
Speaker 3: it within their community as a form of. Social currency
Speaker 3: they essentially brag to, Each other Look what i'm able,
Speaker 3: To get LOOK what. I had if you look at
Speaker 3: the public criminal cases that have, been filed certainly very
Speaker 3: strong trend is that this is a community of male
Speaker 3: perpetrators perpetrating minor female.
Speaker 2: Of it.
Speaker 1: David mentioned that children are often the victim of. Multiple
Speaker 1: offenders we ask them to, clarify why and the answer.
Speaker 1: Is horrifying you can see how easily this abuse can grow.
Speaker 1: And spread it starts with the members sharing the videos
Speaker 1: or photos as currency.
Speaker 3: That allows other members in, the community who then gain
Speaker 3: access to those videos and photos to use them to
Speaker 3: make contact with the victims who may be in the
Speaker 3: group chat And say i'm just as able to expose
Speaker 3: you as the initial person to whom you sent these,
Speaker 3: videos is and so now you're.
Speaker 2: Beholding to me.
Speaker 3: As well seven sixty four has traditionally committed these sort
Speaker 3: of sexual. Exploitation offenses we have, more, recently however also
Speaker 3: seen seven six four members engage in, physical violence not through,
Speaker 3: the computer but physical violence against victims in, the community
Speaker 3: such as shooting or knife attacks in. Other countries there
Speaker 3: is a concern that the scope of their criminal activity.
Speaker 3: Is expanding there is an increased bush to aggressively confront
Speaker 3: and investigate and prosecute those who are leading this group
Speaker 3: and actively participating. In it and so you have seen
Speaker 3: surge in cases federal criminal cases involve against members of,
Speaker 3: this group and would anticipate that federal law enforcement and
Speaker 3: local law enforcement focus on.
Speaker 1: The book do you see any overlap crossed over anything
Speaker 1: IN the venn diagram between in cells and seven.
Speaker 2: Sixty four one.
Speaker 3: Thing that is common between the in cell root and
Speaker 3: the seven to six four group is that they target
Speaker 3: and victimize. Children online they do it in different ways
Speaker 3: and for. Different reasons one thing that's consistent between these
Speaker 3: groups is they will present to the victim as non,
Speaker 3: threatening originally and they will in different ways and for,
Speaker 3: different reasons and at different times change from non threatening
Speaker 3: to threaten and then potentially. To file but they start
Speaker 3: as Non threatn and so the challenge, for children which
Speaker 3: is maybe too hard of a challenge, for children so
Speaker 3: it comes a challenge for parents in the community is
Speaker 3: to both educate themselves and their children on, the risks
Speaker 3: the threats that are, out there but also to have
Speaker 3: appropriate controls and monitoring and relationsh between parents and children
Speaker 3: and friends and teachers and children so that they can
Speaker 3: intervene before the children sent off down the. WRONG path
Speaker 3: i think children present attractive victims in the insult community
Speaker 3: for a couple. Of reasons, one, is yes they are potentially,
Speaker 3: more vulnerable more susceptible to. The tactics two again on
Speaker 3: the more extreme side of the, insul ideology they want
Speaker 3: a relationship, of dominance and children are more susceptible to
Speaker 3: accepting or being made to accept a. Dominant FABLE and
Speaker 3: i think they find, that children, you do maybe emotional
Speaker 3: vulnerability or immaturity or lack of context, and experience are
Speaker 3: more willing to.
Speaker 2: Embrace that at, the.
Speaker 1: Outset predators pray, on vulnerability often kids who might be
Speaker 1: lonely or just looking for a. Connection online but what
Speaker 1: starts as attention can very quickly turn, into control manipulation.
Speaker 1: Or blackmail if you think someone in your life might be,
Speaker 1: in danger do. Not wait david offers some resources and
Speaker 1: why it's pivotal that we use them for.
Speaker 3: Our work it is critical to identify the victims who
Speaker 3: are being used to make. This content this is less
Speaker 3: common with the in, cell cases but when we see
Speaker 3: seven sixty, four cases it is absolutely a primary focus
Speaker 3: to identify, the victims and a primary focus is to
Speaker 3: identify the real individual who's being groomed or blackmailed to
Speaker 3: create this content so that we can go make contact
Speaker 3: with them and their family and try to get them
Speaker 3: help and resources so that they can get out of.
Speaker 2: That cycle and so from a law, enforcement perspective.
Speaker 3: That's why it's again just so important that, number one
Speaker 3: parents and friends of those who are being victimized come
Speaker 3: forward as quickly as possible to. Report it there is
Speaker 3: a nonprofit organization Called The national Center for Missing And
Speaker 3: exploited children that receives on a daily basis tips from
Speaker 3: social media companies and individuals about child exploitation online and
Speaker 3: works with law enforcement to report those tips so that
Speaker 3: we can do.
Speaker 2: Further investigation.
Speaker 1: The phone number For The national Center for Missing And
Speaker 1: exploited children is one Eight hundred Do The. Lost lost
Speaker 1: it's available twenty four hours, a day seven days. A
Speaker 1: week the website For The national Center for Missing And
Speaker 1: exploited Children is missingkids. Dot org it provides, multiple resources
Speaker 1: including one called Take. It down the purpose of Take
Speaker 1: it down is to help remove or stop online sharing
Speaker 1: of underage sexually exploitative images. Or videos there is, no
Speaker 1: cost you can, remain anonymous and you do not have
Speaker 1: to send them images. To, anyone.
Speaker 3: Many many cases are made through that, reporting chain and
Speaker 3: so we strongly, encourage again parents' friends of those who
Speaker 3: you think may be being victimized in this way to
Speaker 3: reach out to either, law enforcement local law enforcement who
Speaker 3: can make contact WITH, the fbi or To The national
Speaker 3: Center For Missing exploited children so that we can follow
Speaker 3: up and try to put an end to that victimization
Speaker 3: before it gets even more out.
Speaker 2: Of control.
Speaker 1: We Asked david ryan for any, final thoughts something he, wanted,
Speaker 1: parents friends and anyone listening. To remember his answer is not.
Speaker 1: About fear it's. About action. Reporting matters early warning signs,
Speaker 1: save lives and the sooner someone, speaks up the faster
Speaker 1: law enforcement can intervene before a threat turns into. A tragedy.
Speaker 3: From the standpoint of, a prosecutor these cases are both
Speaker 3: tragic and a significant call to action for the law.
Speaker 3: Enforcement community although there has already been, a crime when
Speaker 3: an in cell or a seven to six four member
Speaker 3: shares content online or threaten. Someone online the important work
Speaker 3: for law enforcement is to be in a position to
Speaker 3: identify that conduct quickly and disrupt a defendant or an
Speaker 3: individual who may be on a pathway to. Physical violence
Speaker 3: because when you look at the mass shootings That in cells,
Speaker 3: have committed there were often very significant, warning signs, public
Speaker 3: statements or private statements that law enforcement wasn't, aware of
Speaker 3: and so it's a constant race against time for us
Speaker 3: to try to identify and stop these people before they
Speaker 3: commit tragic mass shootings or acts of.
Speaker 2: Mass violence.
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