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Speaker 1: From the dark corners of the web, an emerging mindset.

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Speaker 2: I'm a loser if also we know what to day

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Speaker 2: me either a.

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Speaker 3: Hidden world of resentment, cynicism, anger against women at a

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Speaker 3: deadly tipping point. In Cells will be added to the

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Speaker 3: terrorism Guide.

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Speaker 2: I see literally zero hope.

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Speaker 1: This is in Cells, a production of KT's Studios and iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: Season one, episode seven, the seven six' Four.

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Speaker 3: Network, certainly when you live stream your, attack you're making

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Speaker 3: yourself easier to, catch so they care more about getting

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Speaker 3: the message out there than they do about getting a.

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Speaker 1: Wave the judge Describe bennington's messages to his victims as,

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Speaker 1: repeated cruel and.

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Speaker 2: Sadistic i'll read you one more.

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Speaker 3: Quote women have a fantasy of being, stocked, raped held,

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Speaker 3: hostage and.

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Speaker 2: Murdered they wish they were.

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Speaker 1: Victims I'm Courtney, armstrong a producer AT Kati studios With Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: Leidecker Gabriel, Castillo Connor, powell And Carolyn. Miller trigger. Warning

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Speaker 1: we're going to hear about a nihilist group called seven six.'

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Speaker 1: FOUR the fbi classifies this group as a high, level

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Speaker 1: threat and there are graphic descriptors of. Child exploitation this

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Speaker 1: episode takes a deep dive INSIDE The Us. Attorney's Office

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Speaker 1: david ryan speaks with unique authority as someone who's been

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Speaker 1: in the trenches working with victims. ON cases a former

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Speaker 1: chief Of The National security division At The United States

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Speaker 1: attorney's Office In, Los angeles david offers an inside look

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Speaker 1: at how these crimes are investigated and prosecuted.

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Speaker 3: At The United States attorney's office Here In. Los angeles

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Speaker 3: we Have A National, security DIVISION and i was the

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Speaker 3: chief Of That National, security division and we've invested in

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Speaker 3: prosecute cases that involve domestic. International terrorism we all so

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Speaker 3: investing and prosecute, cyber intrusions, cyber hacking.

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Speaker 1: Cyber stocking you mentioned an increase in online threats and

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Speaker 1: in cyber stocking in the past ten years. Or so

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Speaker 1: what did that look like in your world of, your

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Speaker 1: job and then are there any sort of theories on.

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Speaker 3: The, increase yes starting in around, twenty fifteen over the past,

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Speaker 3: ten years there has been an increase in. These cases

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Speaker 3: there are a couple of different aspects. To that one

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Speaker 3: is the increase in threats involving, anti government, anti authority.

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Speaker 3: Violent extremism we saw the rise of threats and stalking

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Speaker 3: and swatting schemes committed by people engaged in, other ideologies

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Speaker 3: whether that's what are these gender based violent ideologies like

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Speaker 3: in sell or. Other, IDEOLOGIES so i think as more

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Speaker 3: and more of the world moved online and into, social

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Speaker 3: media we saw that coincide with just arise in that

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Speaker 1: Threatening activity do you think globally people are becoming more

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Speaker 1: prone to being radicalized because they're hearing so much more

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Speaker 4: Same content we have had several cases where individuals were,

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Speaker 4: radicalized online whether on forums like discord or gab Or,

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Speaker 4: four chan where they were exposed to increasingly extremist ideas.

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Speaker 3: And ideologies maybe it starts as exploring what they would

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Speaker 3: call it edgy or extreme or gore content that's more

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Speaker 3: in a fantasy context or a, joking context and then

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Speaker 3: over time it moves more and more towards reality.

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Speaker 1: For them how do you determine the Difference between i'm

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old joking with my Buds and i'm?

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Speaker 1: A threat how does that even?

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Speaker 3: Be determined certainly there is a Line Between first amendment

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Speaker 3: protected activity and. Criminal activity law enforcement gets involved when

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Speaker 3: somebody crosses that line and starts directly threatening or harassing

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Speaker 3: or stocking or. Victimizing somebody now there's a separate set

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Speaker 3: of facts where a person may be discussing a crime

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Speaker 3: that they seek to commit in. The future we IN

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Speaker 3: the fbi would would aggressively start to look into that

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Speaker 3: committing an attack to actually attempting to. Do so in,

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Speaker 3: the law a person can be prosecuted for attempting to

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Speaker 3: carry out an attack like that if they take some

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Speaker 3: substantial step Towards committing so a challenge in this, area is,

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Speaker 3: you know if someone engages in discussion of what they

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Speaker 3: would like to do and fantasizes online about committing a

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Speaker 3: shooting at, a school, for example you know that alone

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Speaker 3: steps to carry, it out that's law enforcement can. Step them?

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Speaker 1: Got it that seems like it's a scary.

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Speaker 3: Small window the one thing THAT the fbi has been.

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Speaker 3: Public about one thing that we have seen is that

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Speaker 3: the window of time between what we would call the

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Speaker 3: radicalization to the mobilization has been shrinking over the last.

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Speaker 3: Several years so the time between when someone becomes radicalized

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Speaker 3: between that point and when they actually mobilize to carry out,

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Speaker 3: the violence that period of time has. Been shrinked so

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Speaker 3: the time between when they started talking about when they

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Speaker 3: you're seeing that time shrink to less, than that maybe weeks,

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Speaker 3: put law enforcement and position.

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Speaker 2: TO stop.

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Speaker 1: I asked david why he thought, that trolling deliberately posting

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Speaker 1: provocative messages with the goal of upsetting someone is so

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Speaker 3: You go to the more extreme version of, the ideology

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Speaker 3: the ideology does hold that through the development, of feminism

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Speaker 3: way would instead be that men should control that MARKETS

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Speaker 3: and i think a lot of, the again the social

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Speaker 3: speaking that. Into existence this is how we would talk

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Speaker 3: if we ran, The world we should run. The World.

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Speaker 1: The Center For Countering digital hate reported that post mentioning

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Speaker 1: rape were ON major insul forums every twenty, nine minutes

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Speaker 1: and that eighty nine percent of posts in relevant discussion

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Speaker 1: boards supported sexual violence. AGAINST women, I asked david has thoughts.

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Speaker 3: The more extreme version of the ideology would sanction seek

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Speaker 3: to legalize rape? Sexual assault the more extreme version of

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Speaker 3: the ideology valorizes prior members who have committed mass shootings

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Speaker 3: of women or at sororities or at, Mail salons so,

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Speaker 3: you know in a, positive way, committing violence, sexual violence

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Speaker 1: David ryan breaks down one disturbing CASE and insul in

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Speaker 1: his Thirties Named, carl bennington who targeted and cyberstocked multiple

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Speaker 1: teenage girls he. Met online he threatened violence and even

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Speaker 1: death if they refused his demands. For sex david explains. The, case.

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Speaker 3: So mister bennington had been messaging several teenage girls repeatedly

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Speaker 3: him out of our office for at least. Four years

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Speaker 3: what we learned was That mister bennington had become increasingly

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Speaker 3: consumed by in cell ideology and he began to act

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Speaker 3: out that ideology towards these. Individual victims the evidence that

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Speaker 2: THEIR families.

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Speaker 1: I Asked, how bennington in his thirties at, the time

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Speaker 3: Underage girls this is not a group like there are

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Speaker 3: some others where they primarily congregate in invite only chat

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Speaker 3: groups where victims are. Lured to in cells often reach

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Speaker 3: their victims as, he did just by reaching out on

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Speaker 3: potentially a friendly way because they're interested in trying to develop,

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Speaker 3: it can become a federal case as well when threats

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Speaker 3: Cyber stocking when you stalk someone online through repeated and harassing.

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Speaker 2: Internet messaging.

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Speaker 1: The indictment contains Specific writing, bennington posted as well as

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Speaker 1: messages he sent directly to the. Underage Girls david ryan

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Speaker 1: level of violence and even death threats these girls. Were facing.

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Speaker 3: There are a few messages that really highlight what his,

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Speaker 3: ideology Was and i'll read you those. As well bennington

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Speaker 3: he was what you may call in the in cell

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Speaker 3: he was focused on the notion that women desired men

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Speaker 2: Of what he would quote unquote.

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Speaker 3: Alpha male shortly before some of the worst threats in,

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Speaker 2: Emotional douchebag i'll read you one.

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Speaker 3: More quote women have a fantasy of, being, stocked raped,

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Speaker 3: this is him flirting in, his worldview and going between

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Speaker 1: I asked how, this illegal offensive and violent language could

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Speaker 3: There's that spectrum where they haven't quote unquote given up

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Speaker 3: they are entitled, to success and maybe they should be

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Speaker 1: To anger outside of these, horrifying messages we Asked if

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Speaker 1: bennington showed any kind of pattern or warning science beyond the,

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Speaker 3: First, of all these threats already provoke terror and fear

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Speaker 3: threats with respect to going from online threats to, physical,

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Speaker 3: violence yes. It's concerning when he demonstrated that he knew

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Speaker 2: To it and then other things that we in law.

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Speaker 3: Enforcement would look at are things like an individual's access,

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Speaker 1: A Moment david ryan explained that In the, bennington case

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Speaker 1: The Judge describe bennington's messages to his victims, as repeated cruel. And,

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Speaker 3: It is a federal crime to write, threatening messages to

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Speaker 3: It was a very positive thing for the victims in

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Speaker 1: Case done is there anything that you would say to

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Speaker 5: This, PATH well i think if someone's experiencing this activity

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Speaker 2: Quite right.

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Speaker 1: In Speaking With, david ryan the conversation turned to something

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Speaker 1: Four group The FBI's Child Exploitation Operational Unit Chief abigail boccaccio,

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Speaker 1: with groups like seven six. Y four they are distinct. And,

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Speaker 1: this information isn't, about fear it's about awareness. And Prevention david,

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Speaker 3: Seven sixty four is a more recent, threat stream and

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Speaker 1: The network was founded in twenty twenty One By Bradley,

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Speaker 1: chance cadenhead a Teenager, From. Stephanville texas the name seven

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Speaker 3: A unique piece for this group is they appear to

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Speaker 1: Let's stop here for. Another break they'll be back in.

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Speaker 1: A MOMENT the fbi is currently investigating hundreds of cases

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Speaker 1: related to seven sixty four in. Its Offshoots all field

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Speaker 3: It is a common feature that the grooming will start

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Speaker 3: the seven six full member will love bond a, victim

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Speaker 1: David mentioned that children are often the victim of. Multiple

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Speaker 1: offenders we ask them to, clarify why and the answer.

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Speaker 1: Is horrifying you can see how easily this abuse can grow.

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Speaker 1: And spread it starts with the members sharing the videos

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Speaker 1: or photos as currency.

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Speaker 3: That allows other members in, the community who then gain

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Speaker 3: access to those videos and photos to use them to

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Speaker 3: make contact with the victims who may be in the

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Speaker 3: group chat And say i'm just as able to expose

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Speaker 3: you as the initial person to whom you sent these,

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Speaker 3: videos is and so now you're.

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Speaker 2: Beholding to me.

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Speaker 3: As well seven sixty four has traditionally committed these sort

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Speaker 3: of sexual. Exploitation offenses we have, more, recently however also

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Speaker 3: seen seven six four members engage in, physical violence not through,

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Speaker 3: the computer but physical violence against victims in, the community

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Speaker 3: such as shooting or knife attacks in. Other countries there

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Speaker 3: is a concern that the scope of their criminal activity.

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Speaker 3: Is expanding there is an increased bush to aggressively confront

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Speaker 3: and investigate and prosecute those who are leading this group

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Speaker 3: and actively participating. In it and so you have seen

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Speaker 3: surge in cases federal criminal cases involve against members of,

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Speaker 3: this group and would anticipate that federal law enforcement and

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Speaker 3: local law enforcement focus on.

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Speaker 1: The book do you see any overlap crossed over anything

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Speaker 1: IN the venn diagram between in cells and seven.

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Speaker 2: Sixty four one.

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Speaker 3: Thing that is common between the in cell root and

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Speaker 3: the seven to six four group is that they target

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Speaker 3: and victimize. Children online they do it in different ways

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Speaker 3: and for. Different reasons one thing that's consistent between these

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Speaker 3: groups is they will present to the victim as non,

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Speaker 3: threatening originally and they will in different ways and for,

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Speaker 3: different reasons and at different times change from non threatening

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Speaker 3: to threaten and then potentially. To file but they start

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Speaker 3: as Non threatn and so the challenge, for children which

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Speaker 3: is maybe too hard of a challenge, for children so

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Speaker 3: it comes a challenge for parents in the community is

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Speaker 3: to both educate themselves and their children on, the risks

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Speaker 3: the threats that are, out there but also to have

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Speaker 3: appropriate controls and monitoring and relationsh between parents and children

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Speaker 3: and friends and teachers and children so that they can

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Speaker 3: intervene before the children sent off down the. WRONG path

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Speaker 3: i think children present attractive victims in the insult community

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Speaker 3: for a couple. Of reasons, one, is yes they are potentially,

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Speaker 3: more vulnerable more susceptible to. The tactics two again on

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Speaker 3: the more extreme side of the, insul ideology they want

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Speaker 3: a relationship, of dominance and children are more susceptible to

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Speaker 3: accepting or being made to accept a. Dominant FABLE and

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Speaker 3: i think they find, that children, you do maybe emotional

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Speaker 3: vulnerability or immaturity or lack of context, and experience are

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Speaker 3: more willing to.

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Speaker 2: Embrace that at, the.

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Speaker 1: Outset predators pray, on vulnerability often kids who might be

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Speaker 1: lonely or just looking for a. Connection online but what

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Speaker 1: starts as attention can very quickly turn, into control manipulation.

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Speaker 1: Or blackmail if you think someone in your life might be,

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Speaker 1: in danger do. Not wait david offers some resources and

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Speaker 1: why it's pivotal that we use them for.

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Speaker 3: Our work it is critical to identify the victims who

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Speaker 3: are being used to make. This content this is less

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Speaker 3: common with the in, cell cases but when we see

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Speaker 3: seven sixty, four cases it is absolutely a primary focus

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Speaker 3: to identify, the victims and a primary focus is to

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Speaker 3: identify the real individual who's being groomed or blackmailed to

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Speaker 3: create this content so that we can go make contact

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Speaker 3: with them and their family and try to get them

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Speaker 3: help and resources so that they can get out of.

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Speaker 2: That cycle and so from a law, enforcement perspective.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's again just so important that, number one

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Speaker 3: parents and friends of those who are being victimized come

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Speaker 3: forward as quickly as possible to. Report it there is

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Speaker 3: a nonprofit organization Called The national Center for Missing And

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Speaker 3: exploited children that receives on a daily basis tips from

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Speaker 3: social media companies and individuals about child exploitation online and

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Speaker 3: works with law enforcement to report those tips so that

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Speaker 3: we can do.

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Speaker 2: Further investigation.

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Speaker 1: The phone number For The national Center for Missing And

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Speaker 1: exploited children is one Eight hundred Do The. Lost lost

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Speaker 1: it's available twenty four hours, a day seven days. A

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Speaker 1: week the website For The national Center for Missing And

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Speaker 1: exploited Children is missingkids. Dot org it provides, multiple resources

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Speaker 1: including one called Take. It down the purpose of Take

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Speaker 1: it down is to help remove or stop online sharing

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Speaker 1: of underage sexually exploitative images. Or videos there is, no

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Speaker 1: cost you can, remain anonymous and you do not have

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Speaker 1: to send them images. To, anyone.

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Speaker 3: Many many cases are made through that, reporting chain and

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Speaker 3: so we strongly, encourage again parents' friends of those who

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Speaker 3: you think may be being victimized in this way to

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Speaker 3: reach out to either, law enforcement local law enforcement who

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Speaker 3: can make contact WITH, the fbi or To The national

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Speaker 3: Center For Missing exploited children so that we can follow

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Speaker 3: up and try to put an end to that victimization

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Speaker 3: before it gets even more out.

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Speaker 2: Of control.

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Speaker 1: We Asked david ryan for any, final thoughts something he, wanted,

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Speaker 1: parents friends and anyone listening. To remember his answer is not.

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Speaker 1: About fear it's. About action. Reporting matters early warning signs,

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Speaker 1: save lives and the sooner someone, speaks up the faster

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Speaker 1: law enforcement can intervene before a threat turns into. A tragedy.

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Speaker 3: From the standpoint of, a prosecutor these cases are both

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Speaker 3: tragic and a significant call to action for the law.

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Speaker 3: Enforcement community although there has already been, a crime when

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Speaker 3: an in cell or a seven to six four member

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Speaker 3: shares content online or threaten. Someone online the important work

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Speaker 3: for law enforcement is to be in a position to

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Speaker 3: identify that conduct quickly and disrupt a defendant or an

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Speaker 3: individual who may be on a pathway to. Physical violence

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Speaker 3: because when you look at the mass shootings That in cells,

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Speaker 3: have committed there were often very significant, warning signs, public

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Speaker 3: statements or private statements that law enforcement wasn't, aware of

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Speaker 3: and so it's a constant race against time for us

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Speaker 3: to try to identify and stop these people before they

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Speaker 3: commit tragic mass shootings or acts of.

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Speaker 2: Mass violence.

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