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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeart Ratings.

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Speaker 2: You know, you go to a fashion show and people

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Speaker 2: are dying, They're living and dying over a pair of shoes,

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Speaker 2: a new handbag, and it sort of did help me

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Speaker 2: take a step outside of the bubble and realize that

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Speaker 2: there is I mean, fashion is a legitimate business. The

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Speaker 2: New York City alone accounts for more than ten billion

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Speaker 2: dollars of commerce in the style space. But sometimes the

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Speaker 2: reactions people have in this industry, pump and circumstance that

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Speaker 2: sometimes circulates around this industry, I'm sure is very amusing

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Speaker 2: to people.

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Speaker 3: Hi, folks, this is Paul Anka and my name is

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Speaker 3: Skip Bronson. We've been friends for decades and we've decided

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Speaker 3: to let you in on our late night phone calls

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Speaker 3: by starting a new podcast.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet

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Speaker 1: some real good friends.

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Speaker 3: Of ours, your leaders and entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even a sitting

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Speaker 1: president or too.

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Speaker 3: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 3: asked before, tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 3: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast, and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Skip, what's going on? I don't know. I'm just

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Speaker 4: kind of anticipating Derek Derek Blastpert. Amanda was talking to

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Speaker 4: him at dinner. I'm ware of the guy, and that's

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Speaker 4: he's a different kind of dude for us. I love it.

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Speaker 4: He's got all stuff going to fashion and he's and

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Speaker 4: he's young, young. I got ties older than him. Yeah, yeah, he's.

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Speaker 5: Young, he's smart. Everybody loves him, knows everybody. He's just

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Speaker 5: a very cool guy. We're gonna have fun with him. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: So what are you doing in all this heat?

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Speaker 4: Uh? What am I doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to stay out of it basically. But you

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Speaker 5: know now that all the playoffs are over, right, the

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Speaker 5: basketball is over, Hockey is over, and the only thing

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Speaker 5: I'm stecking a bit on chess tournaments. I'm down at

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Speaker 5: the lowest head. So when we have Derek on, you know,

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Speaker 5: he's a fashion easta and he knows where, he knows

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Speaker 5: where the ball is headed before before the pitch is thrown,

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Speaker 5: So it'll be funny, fun to hear, you know, his

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Speaker 5: stories about all the fascinating people he's interviewed all the

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Speaker 5: you know, he's so laid back, he's such a cool guy.

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Speaker 5: He and his partner Nick, they have two young children now,

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Speaker 5: so he's sort of settling in. But he's he's he's

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Speaker 5: so much fun and it's just clever and smart. I

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Speaker 5: think we'll have a great time with him. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: looking forward to it. Here, like this stuff about it

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Speaker 5: my daughter. He's very very close to your daughter, remand

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Speaker 5: that they know each other.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But so you're going away, You're gonna go away

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Speaker 4: at all. You're gonna go to Europe and gonna hang

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to Europe, but not until the end

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Speaker 4: No, not then, it'll be later. I'm gonna hang around too.

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Speaker 4: I'm not. I'm not gonna commit to Europe. No, that's

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Speaker 4: Broadway play. I've got to stay here and work with them.

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Speaker 4: I've gotta finish the doc documentary, right, So if I

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Speaker 5: So but I know you, and something's gonna happen, and

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Speaker 4: Be oh, I'm going to Iceland. What I'm going to Iceland? Well?

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Speaker 4: Why why not? I'm just gonna go. You know that's

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Speaker 4: gonna happen. Maybe in Las Vegas. That's called NL no line.

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Speaker 4: You can't better because that's definitely gonna happen. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 4: I'm just so sick and sick of the their airplanes

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Speaker 4: What are your nuts? I'm going to poops? Got they

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Speaker 4: want I want to see them, they want to see me. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I want to meet your buddy Derek. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: I think you you know he's from Saint Louis, which

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Speaker 4: is you know, we're haven't you performed? But you performed

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Speaker 4: there's good taste all around in that family, right exactly,

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Speaker 4: you're going to get.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm want to talk to them also about the

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Speaker 5: fact that you're not hip enough to know this, but

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Speaker 5: the golf clothing line has evolved from being.

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Speaker 4: let me. I'm gonna jump all over it. Okay, good,

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Speaker 4: go for it, forgive me you go for it.

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Speaker 5: By the way, he's also probably going to talk about

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Speaker 5: his favorite clothing item. He's always going for that navy

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Speaker 4: And I know you love Ale, but a dozen of them.

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Speaker 4: That's what I've been wearing them since the sixties. I

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Speaker 4: look at me. What is that. Nobody's into double breasted

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Speaker 4: I've always worn double breasted. I love it. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's cool. He knows that.

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Speaker 5: You know, the concept of quiet luxury, you know, not

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Speaker 4: It's a phenomenon. I want to get his take on that.

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Speaker 5: He really just he just knows, you know, he knows

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Speaker 4: Everybody loves this guy, everybody who knows him. I want

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Speaker 5: And also he was the media and culture consultant on

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Speaker 5: there specifically? So talk to him about that. You know,

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Speaker 5: have wis him on? You know what the essentials are

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have a good You're gonna have a good time. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Well I'm I'm all ready for it, my dear. And

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Speaker 4: the best part about him is that, like I didn't

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Speaker 4: I had a new friend. And you're gonna feel like

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Speaker 4: that about Derek. Yeah, I could tell, I can tell.

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Speaker 4: I could just tell Amanda. Yeah, she was all over.

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Speaker 4: Well that's cool, man. So we're closing in on my bedtime. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we got three hours, he got three hours. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: get three hours of sleep. No, no, no, you're down, and

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Speaker 4: I'll probably live down two o'clock. He hear some stuff

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Speaker 4: and that'll be it. You'll be word up tomorrow and

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Speaker 4: giving us this amazing life. Right, you got it? You

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Speaker 4: got Oh? Okay, you take care of lot? Okay too? Bye?

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Speaker 4: Thanks ask.

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Speaker 3: So I love I love this guy. Derek is great

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Speaker 3: I love the fact that Derek always knows sort of

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Speaker 3: where the ball is going before it goes there. Certainly

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Speaker 3: in the world fashion style, all of that. But your journey,

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Speaker 3: it's really pretty extraordinary because you know, I grew up

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Speaker 3: Which is how did that happen? How did you first

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Speaker 2: I speak with my therapist and about not diminishing my journey,

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Speaker 2: but I will say that growing up in Saint Louis,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to get too granular in the weeds.

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Speaker 1: I'm very interested.

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Speaker 1: good thing nobody can see, is go ahead? You interrupted

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Speaker 2: So when I moved to New York, the first person

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Speaker 6: So I'm much more of a show me kind of got.

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Speaker 2: But the first person I met, the very first person

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Speaker 1: Hang out office at paul Anka dot com, nobody's interested.

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Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in the nineties in Missouri

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Speaker 2: and logos became status symbols, right. You had a lot

434
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Speaker 2: of people who were determined to establish who they were

435
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Speaker 2: by aligning with brands, and it was fascinating to see

436
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Speaker 2: a moment in time when the uh, the quality and

437
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: cut of a shirt or jacket or coat was much

438
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Speaker 2: more important than forward facing logo. And maybe that's maybe

439
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Speaker 2: that's sticks around, who knows.

440
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Speaker 1: You know, the Asians have been going down there sixty years.

441
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Speaker 1: They've stayed constant as they've evolved into all the Paris fashion.

442
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Speaker 1: They want it, they want the logo, they send mules

443
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Speaker 1: over as you know, they're in line right around shan Zouse.

444
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Speaker 1: But when you know, I just got back from Asia

445
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Speaker 1: and they're so consistent in wanting certain brands, and they're

446
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Speaker 1: a huge supporter of the whole fashion industry out of Paris,

447
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Speaker 1: as you know, right.

448
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Speaker 2: Well, sure you can't have a brand nowadays and not

449
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Speaker 2: have a presence in China, and if you're not well

450
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Speaker 2: in Asia.

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Speaker 1: They love it. I love it because you know, they

452
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Speaker 1: cut especially for the Asians. And when I go there

453
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Speaker 1: at five four, I'm the tallest guy in town, so

454
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Speaker 1: I can get any piece of clothing eye want. I

455
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Speaker 1: should go to sas children Department to get a Jack.

456
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Speaker 2: Asia Ash, that's your favorite designer.

457
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Speaker 1: So but but there's so much money down there, so

458
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Speaker 1: much money. And when you walk in those stores, there's

459
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Speaker 1: tons of them. You come back home, you're lucky if

460
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Speaker 1: you can see a dozen. It's such a difference between

461
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Speaker 1: Asian here.

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Speaker 2: Well, Paul, it's interesting even that you're saying that now

463
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Speaker 2: because there has been a lot of feedback from the

464
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Speaker 2: Asian style space that logos have become so after years

465
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Speaker 2: and decades of wining Louis Baton and Gior, now the

466
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Speaker 2: bags that are selling well are the ones that don't

467
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Speaker 2: have the logo. You know, there's now the the like

468
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Speaker 2: brands like the Row, Paul. I don't know if you

469
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Speaker 2: know the Row, but I know your daughter about they

470
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Speaker 2: They they have they have no outwork facing logo or branding,

471
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Speaker 2: and apparently they're making the killing in China and all

472
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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Veto and air Mess were jammed everywhere I went.

474
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Speaker 1: They love that stuff.

475
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Speaker 2: They really all over it.

476
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Speaker 1: And they dress you know, down there on like here,

477
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: you know where its depending where you are. They dress

478
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Speaker 1: up when they go out, and they're maxed out with

479
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, LV, air Mess, Gucci. They're just on it.

480
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: You know, the homogenous society, so they're all, yeah, collectively

481
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Speaker 1: in tune with each other.

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated at the California style. If we're gonna call it.

483
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Speaker 1: What is it? It annoys me sometimes there is no style.

484
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Speaker 1: I think the laundry built for anyone I see at

485
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Speaker 1: dinner must be twenty dollars a week. I mean between

486
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Speaker 1: the T shirt and I've seen twenty holes last night.

487
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Speaker 1: That Stella is in four pair of jeans. What the

488
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Speaker 1: hell is the La Style? You go to New York,

489
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Speaker 1: everybody's dressed that that. Come on, tell me about the

490
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Speaker 1: LA show.

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Speaker 2: I love that about New York specifically is that you

492
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Speaker 2: know you still see men in suits on the subway.

493
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Speaker 2: You still see girls and dresses running to a cocktail hour.

494
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Speaker 1: They are under cover agents protecting the city in La No,

495
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Speaker 1: tell me about the La Style.

496
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Speaker 3: Now.

497
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Speaker 2: I had such a priority placed on comfort, and when

498
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Speaker 2: I was working with Google, you know, the tech community,

499
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: definitely there's a vacuum for style. You know, there's yoga

500
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: pants were what you were to the office. But here

501
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Speaker 2: in New York, I'm happy to say when I go

502
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Speaker 2: into Larry's gallery, or when I go into the Conde

503
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Speaker 2: Nast offices or the Hurst offices, people still like to

504
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Speaker 2: get dressed up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Even La Bernada, you know, which is it's my first

507
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Speaker 1: stop when I go to New York.

508
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Speaker 2: We out my neighborhood. Oh well, the next time you're

509
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Speaker 2: in town.

510
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Speaker 1: Come over and have a coffee next time. Yeah, you're

511
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Speaker 1: gonna come over and we'll sit and chat. But even

512
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Speaker 1: when I went there, some people are dressed and then

513
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Speaker 1: you get some real funky souls that come in. I

514
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: don't know if they're aliens or they're just there. But

515
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: it's very eclectic now from what it used to be

516
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Speaker 1: there because I know the family and I go way

517
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Speaker 1: back with the red straw. Everybody had a shirt entire

518
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: years ago. I mean, I'm obviously aging myself even though

519
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: I look one hundred and three. It's a whole different

520
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: scene today.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Paul, speaking of French New York restaurants, I heard

522
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Speaker 2: that Friend Lee isn't going to reopen after you know

523
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: they closed during COVID.

524
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Speaker 1: Oh they're going to open it.

525
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Speaker 2: I heard that they're having they're struggling and it's not

526
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Speaker 2: reopened now and it may never reopen, and I would

527
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Speaker 2: be so you know about that.

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Speaker 1: I heard there was a rumble going. But forty percent

529
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Speaker 1: of the restaurants in this country, Derek, are having a problem.

530
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Speaker 1: They can't get labor, they don't want anybody that can't

531
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Speaker 1: get people in the kitchen, they can't get waiters, and

532
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Speaker 1: it's part.

533
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Speaker 4: Of the problem.

534
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Speaker 2: Is this the post COVID problem?

535
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a post problem and a big problem in

536
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Speaker 1: this country. People just don't want to work. We're down

537
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Speaker 1: to Friday's no and now they want to get rid

538
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Speaker 1: of Mondays. But all these restaurants, I mean, I just

539
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: finished working a lot of these big casinos. They just

540
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 1: can't get people to work. It's part of what's happening

541
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Speaker 1: in the changing times.

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Speaker 2: I do think there's good be a movement back to office.

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Speaker 2: You know, I no longer work with YouTube, which is

544
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Speaker 2: owned by Google, but I still have a lot of

545
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Speaker 2: friends who work there, and I think right now Google

546
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: strongly encourages employees to spend three days in the week

547
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: and three days a week in the office, obviously pending

548
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: if you have an illness or if you're sick, please

549
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Speaker 2: come to the office if you have COVID like symptoms.

550
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Speaker 2: But I definitely think even the tech community was one

551
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Speaker 2: of the first industries I think that really accommodated work

552
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Speaker 2: from home.

553
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Speaker 1: Well, ais changing that drastically. What you hit on is right,

554
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Speaker 1: You're going to see, I believe, a three day work

555
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: week with people and they'll be paid because they're just

556
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: going to turn around and spend it, and corporate and

557
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: everybody else is going to make more money because they

558
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with people. But I think we're

559
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Speaker 1: headed to a three day work week. I think they

560
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Speaker 1: got everybody conditioned.

561
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Speaker 3: I was speaking to my friend Steve Roth from borne Ato,

562
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Speaker 3: father of Jordan Roth, our mutual friend Derek, and you know,

563
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Speaker 3: he's a major office developer, and he said to me, Skip,

564
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: we've basically lost Fridays and we're trying to save Mondays.

565
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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's you know, looking at that, which is obviously,

566
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: but then you have others like Jamie Diamond who told

567
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Speaker 3: his employees, you know, you can go out to restaurants,

568
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: you can go to the office. So you know, everything

569
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Speaker 3: is changing in that regard.

570
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Speaker 2: What is what is ross policy for his own employees?

571
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: Do they have to be help this Fridays a week?

572
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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that. But I'll tell

573
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Speaker 3: you this about Steve. I had this. You know, you're

574
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: growing up in Saint Louis. I grew up in Hertford.

575
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: Steve was already a big developer in New York. I

576
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: wanted to meet him in the worst way. I had

577
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: to go to every person I could get to to

578
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: find out, how can I meet this Steve rothrom Bornado

579
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: and through a mutual friend John Hansen in New Jersey.

580
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Speaker 3: It occurred in the late seventies. I actually came to

581
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Speaker 3: New York City and went to lunch with Steve and

582
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Speaker 3: we went to this restaurant, his restaurant of choice with

583
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Speaker 3: grown wi. I walked in. I never saw that many

584
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: flowers in a florist's shop. I mean, the restaurant was

585
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: so powerful. I love the the greatest, the greatest flowers

586
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: of all time in a restaurant. We went in and

587
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: we had lunch, and we got done and he said, okay,

588
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 3: let's go. I said, what about to check? He said check,

589
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: there's no check. I said, what what do you mean?

590
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: He said, I have a house account. I said to myself,

591
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Speaker 3: this is the coolest guy I've ever met. He had

592
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: a house account in a fancy restaurant. Who knew there

593
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: was such a thing.

594
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Speaker 1: Oh, we all had them back then, skip, Yeah, everybody.

595
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: We sued to all go there, all those little banks.

596
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Speaker 3: Well, and that was before, don't forget Paul, that was

597
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: before credit cards were really dating ourselves. But that was

598
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: even before credit cards. But Steve's always been one of

599
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: my heroes. I've always loved him, and he's just a

600
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: very special guy. And his wife Darrell. Of course, what

601
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: she's done on Broadway is remarkable. But yeah, Gronwi, that

602
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: was really quite the place. We didn't have restaurants that

603
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: looked like that in Hertford, Connecticut.

604
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the place.

605
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you in your real estate empire, do you make

606
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: people work five days a week or come into the office?

607
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: Excuse me five days a week?

608
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: Well, right now I have a small a small office

609
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills. I don't have a lot of people

610
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: as I used to. I don't think you really have

611
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: a choice because if you want to get the right people,

612
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: if you will, you can set it up so that

613
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: they can work remotely mostly. I mean the.

614
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Speaker 1: Truth is what are they doing?

615
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, people are making you know, making

616
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: setting up appointments, setting up zoom calls, you know, following

617
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: up with people, talking to you know, our producer Jordan.

618
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: They don't have to physically be sitting in the office.

619
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Speaker 3: They just have to have a phone. And speaking of Jordan,

620
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: before I forget Jordan lived. When you were talking about

621
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Speaker 3: your story about getting coming to New York to go

622
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Speaker 3: to school, Jordan lived in that dorm that you were

623
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Speaker 3: talking about.

624
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Speaker 2: Aiden Hayden Hall.

625
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Speaker 7: I actually I have a question for you. There is

626
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Speaker 7: a myth around Hayden Hall that somebody had a black

627
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Speaker 7: tie birthday party in the Hayden Hall cafeteria, and upon

628
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 7: researching you, I've come to the conclusion that that might

629
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Speaker 7: have been you. Is that true?

630
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: It was me?

631
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

632
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: Indeed, Duran, How old are you? I'm forty two? Are

633
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: we the same age?

634
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm thirty six, thirty six, I got ties older than you.

635
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: Plumb it in.

636
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: Too, I'm talking to a thirty six year old.

637
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Speaker 7: But the myth, but the myth endured.

638
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: We heard, we heard tale about that it was my

639
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: twenty first birthday and Hayden as normally hated. I think

640
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: it's been read named too. I'm really sure in my

641
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: age now was it still called Hayden when you were

642
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: in there it.

643
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 7: Was still Hayden. I think it's called Lipton Hall. And

644
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 7: the lunch lady who was in there inspired Adam Sandler's

645
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 7: Lunch Lady song on SNL. Right, Sheeah, Sylvia.

646
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: It's too funny.

647
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 4: Wow.

648
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Speaker 2: I actually, you know, I am happy that I moved

649
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: to Hayden, that I moved to New York for college,

650
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: and that it's such a safe, soft landing. When you

651
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: have a dorm, you have a you have security, a

652
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: place to come home to. We had a meal plan.

653
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Speaker 2: I admire people who go to college elsewhere and then

654
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Speaker 2: move to New York with nothing but hope and a

655
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Speaker 2: dream or what they got.

656
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Speaker 7: Is it true that you'd written new York or bust

657
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Speaker 7: on the sheets of your childhood bedroom?

658
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Speaker 2: Also true? Yes, I think my parents still have those sheets.

659
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: By the way, a couple hoarders in Missouri.

660
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Speaker 1: To frame those What are you write on your sheets now?

661
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Speaker 1: What are on your sheets now?

662
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Speaker 4: Derek?

663
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Speaker 1: What do you write on them now? With your goals?

664
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Speaker 2: That's actually a good no. But maybe there's something Maybe

665
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: I don't you'll you will be happy or maybe sad

666
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: to hear that my sheets are now incredibly expensive and

667
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Speaker 2: I don't take a sharpie to them to write out

668
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: my mantras and goals. But maybe there's something to be

669
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: said that we should. Maybe we should.

670
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Speaker 7: That's manifestation.

671
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Derek, with all your style and everything that

672
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: you're into, what guy sheets you got? Frete? Tell me

673
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: who it is? I mean, come on, I.

674
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Speaker 2: Agree, this is I bought the sheets this week?

675
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Would you buy. Yeah, I still they's still on Madison,

676
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I said, get them all the time? Up are they

677
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: still there?

678
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: Incredibly decadent. I don't want to be known as that

679
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: kind of person.

680
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, we know already. I love I love

681
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: that and I love.

682
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: Uh Fredde is really nice. You got you got expensive taste, Paul.

683
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Hey, you know I got to spend as fast as

684
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Speaker 1: I can and know what my kids do.

685
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 3: So how have you adjusted with you and Nick having

686
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: you know, your two kids?

687
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, Hay Father's Day by the way, thank you

688
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: so much.

689
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: Every day's Father's Day with a gay couple. You know,

690
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: there's there's really.

691
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Speaker 1: Someone switch tomorrow. I'm missing something, you know, I've I'm

692
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: curious that do everything in life I can? Well, congratulations.

693
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: Anyway, I turned three years old and there they're three

694
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: years They're three years old in May.

695
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.

696
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Speaker 3: But is that a big adjustment for you to to

697
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: pivot to dad life if you will.

698
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: I don't know how vulnerable your guests get in these podcasts,

699
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: and so forgive me if I'm getting to honest or transparent.

700
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: But you know, growing up as I did, and as

701
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Speaker 2: I mentioned in the middle of the country, there wasn't

702
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: a lot of gay gay role models. I have a

703
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: gay uncle, or if I did, he wasn't out. You know,

704
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of gay people in my life.

705
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: I didn't. I definitely did not have any gay men

706
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: or women who were married and had children. And I

707
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 2: often joke the only gay people my parents knew were

708
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: Liberaci and Elton John. Liberacci wasn't even gay until.

709
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Speaker 1: I'm way before their time.

710
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: And I guess, I guess when I was in high school,

711
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: Will and Grace premiered, you know, so then suddenly there

712
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: was a moment when when I remember the L word

713
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: and queer as folks. So there were definitely pop culture

714
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: was at least lending and more sympathetic eye to that.

715
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Speaker 2: But I mentioned all this to say that when I

716
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: moved to New York and I made friends with older

717
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: gay people and I met gay parents, that sort of

718
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: opened up this whole world of parenthood to me. And

719
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: you know, I had twins. When they were born when

720
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: I was thirty nine years old, which is of course

721
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: not old, but it's not young either, And so I'm

722
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: just so profoundly grateful that I'm now living a life

723
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Speaker 2: that is much better for the lack of a better word,

724
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: than when I was growing up, I ever thought it

725
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Speaker 2: was possible.

726
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Speaker 1: Well, you hit it at the right age, Derek, you

727
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: put some time. Oh totally, because it's overrated. Just get ready.

728
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: Your life's gonna change. But at that age, you know,

729
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: I've got five girls, I got one nineteen year old son,

730
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: and you know, if it all stays together cohesively, it

731
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: can be fantastic. There's nothing like that. Fall back to that.

732
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Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to be more of your kid. I

733
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Speaker 2: only know, Demanda, if your kids are anything like that

734
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: one you've been.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they've got five of them. They're all good,

736
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: solid citizens. My son's very cool, and it kind of

737
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: cements you down when you get all the bullshit that

738
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: we all have to put up with in each industry,

739
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, because we appeel the onion. There's a lot

740
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: of stuff that you've got to protect yourself from. But

741
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: your kids and that whole core of what that is,

742
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: you're going to have an amazing time. But look out,

743
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: when they hit their teens in this modern world that

744
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: we all fear, what it's going to introduce to them.

745
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: That's going to be the big change. The big change

746
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Speaker 1: is different.

747
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Speaker 2: My friend, my friend. He's a new friend. I mean,

748
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: I'm very honored to call him a friend, But I

749
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: can't say I knew him before he wrote this book.

750
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 2: But Jonathan Hate wrote a book called The Anxious Generation

751
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: that really sort of rattled me. It's all about how

752
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: and you guys, k maybe we should maybe you should

753
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: have Jonathan on the show. I'll have to give you

754
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 2: his email after we wrap this thing up.

755
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Speaker 3: Didn't he also write the book about you know All

756
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Speaker 3: but you know Ezampire? Et cetera, et cetera said him.

757
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: He's an n YU professor, and what what his books

758
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: really focus on is how changing how the advent of

759
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: technology and social media has had a negative impact first

760
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: on adults with our anxiety, but then especially on children.

761
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you just off of that, because I'm

762
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Speaker 1: really interested because you're right on this fashion thing and

763
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm a nut for that and a few other things.

764
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Speaker 1: You know, of all the celebrities that you've interviewed, is

765
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Speaker 1: the one you want to interview that's really impressive?

766
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Speaker 2: Oh?

767
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: Like?

768
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Speaker 2: Who?

769
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Speaker 1: You tell me? You know so many? Is there one

770
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: whale out there that you are pressed by you'd.

771
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: Like to That's a great, big question.

772
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Speaker 1: I'm a great guy.

773
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Speaker 2: You're a great guy.

774
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm loaded with all this stuff.

775
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite Let's pivot off that and

776
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: say do you have a favorite designer?

777
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: That's like asking to pick my favorite kid. Skip. You know,

778
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: got those kind of questions get me in trouble. I

779
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: will say that one of the people that I'm most

780
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: excited about in the style space as far as like

781
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: celebrities are public facing people, is concerned. And I've actually

782
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: interviewed her before, and we've done some videos a long

783
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: time ago, But who has been on a rocket ship

784
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: since I seen her? Last was India and Zen. I

785
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: think what Zendia has done in the style space has

786
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: been incredible. The last time I worked with her she

787
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: did a collection for Tommy hillfigure and I think maybe

788
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: that's like twenty nineteen. It was de pre Covid. And

789
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: in that five years, she had that show Euphoria, She

790
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: had that movie Challengers directed by Lua Guadadino, She hosted

791
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: the Medcala. She just announced a partnership with All Running

792
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: and where she has She said publicly that she signed

793
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: this partnership because it aligned with a lot of her

794
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: ideas around sustainability and a circular economy. She to me

795
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: is this sort of like style star that we need

796
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: right now. So her maybe would be my fantasy interview.

797
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: Saw her and Challenger. She was really good in that.

798
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: It was a fun movie.

799
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Speaker 2: I think she helped produce that. You know, she's she's

800
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 2: one of these new multi hyphen it things.

801
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Speaker 1: Hey, Garrick, you know all travels on the rise again.

802
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Everybody's running everywhere where today. Do you think is the

803
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: most stylish city? What's changed because you go as I

804
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: you know, we travel every What do you think is

805
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: the most stylish city? Because people are really interested, they call,

806
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, give me tips, blah blah blah blah blah.

807
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: Where is it?

808
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: That's a good question, and and you're probably going to

809
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: think my answer is super generic. But I still love

810
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: going to Paris. I'm going to later this month. As

811
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, the Olympics are in Paris this year. That's

812
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: fucked up the fashion week schedules. But in the summer

813
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: there is when the tour, the tour shows happen, and

814
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: you know that it's it's the sun's out till late

815
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: in the night. Everyone's dressed up to the nines. You're

816
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: in Paris, it's still Paris. So the first thing that

817
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: came to mind when you said the most stylish city

818
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: probably probably it is still Paris.

819
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: And where's London. Where's London fitting.

820
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Speaker 2: Well, then that's probably the greatest street style. I had

821
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: a theory for a long time that the weather there

822
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: is so shitty that everyone and dresses up to amuse

823
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: themselves or else they go crazy. Grace is equal colorful personalities.

824
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Speaker 2: I love going to Tokyo.

825
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: Oh I'm with you and I just got back from there.

826
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Speaker 1: It's the best.

827
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Speaker 2: The next time I want to go with you. I

828
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: haven't been. I haven't been on that side of I

829
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: haven't been that side of the world since, you know,

830
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 2: pre COVID, so it's been at least half a decade.

831
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: But Tokyo. What's also incredible about Tokyo specifically is that

832
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: the first time I flew to Tokyo, I went for

833
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: Japan Fashion Week and I was delirious. I got off

834
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Speaker 2: the airplane and there was a hole in my bag

835
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Speaker 2: and my travel wallet, which had my passport, every credit card,

836
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: all my foreign currencies. I didn't realize this until I

837
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: got to the hotel, falling out of my bag. So

838
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: I panicked and I freaked out. I went right back

839
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: to the airport, expecting like maybe someone who turned in

840
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: my passport, you know, like, but for sure all my

841
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: money and everything's and at the Lost and Found at

842
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: the airport was my full wallet with every single thing

843
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: in it, including the cash.

844
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Speaker 1: And they'll chase you to the airport. Was a key

845
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: if you table of their keys. Oh really, you don't

846
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: turn a key in, they will follow you the you

847
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: I've been going for sixty years. They were I don't

848
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: even use keys anymore. When I was first there, there

849
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: were bombs in the ground. And I've watched the evolution

850
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: of that country and they're so consistent in everything and

851
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: their fashion. They've got their owns and I was just there,

852
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, within the last year. They're just unbelievable. Their

853
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: sense of fashion, their sense of consistency, the food, the hotels,

854
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: the service, the way they take care of their people.

855
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: I just love it down there. And then you go

856
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: to Kyoto and you can shop your brains out with stuff.

857
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: But it's a great country.

858
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Speaker 2: It's a great I hope this podcast gets a sponsorship

859
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: in the Japanese Tourism Board. We're given so many free

860
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: plugs over here.

861
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got sponsorships everybody we drop. We got a

862
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: sponsorship only for a day though we only lasted day

863
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Speaker 1: in these country.

864
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Speaker 3: And not not far from there where you were in

865
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 3: that part of the world. In China. You know, you

866
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 3: go to Shen's End and that's the capital of counterfeit.

867
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: That's where they make like all these bags, Derek that

868
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 3: you see on the street, you know, with the guys

869
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: selling these bags. You go to Shen's End and there's

870
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: one building in the center of the town. And Shen's

871
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: End is a new city. It didn't exist twenty five

872
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: years ago. So you think of like a major American

873
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: city where every building is new. There are no old

874
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: buildings because you know the city didn't exist. But you

875
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 3: go to where they make or where they sell all

876
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: the counterfeit merchandise. I mean, I bought a fake Rolex

877
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: watch just to have just for travel, right, like, I

878
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't care if I lost its one hundred dollars. I

879
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: came back and I brought it to my watch guy

880
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills and didn't tell him it was counterfeit,

881
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: and I handed to him. I said, I don't know

882
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: why I'm just having trouble with this thing, and I

883
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: handed it to him. He had it in his hands

884
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: for literally thirty seconds, which is a long time, before

885
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: he said to me, wait a second, I think this

886
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 3: is fake. But it took them half a minute rather

887
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: than just picking it up and immediately going wait a second,

888
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: what is this. So the way they run the counterfeits,

889
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: this is fascinating. If you want, let's say, a you know,

890
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 3: an air mez bag, they bring the bags out, they

891
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: have them all there, they show them to you to say,

892
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: where are the better ones? Oh, the better ones. Some

893
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 3: guy runs up a ladder and comes down with the

894
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: more expensive ones. I would defy you if you took

895
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 3: one of these bags and.

896
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: Put it next to that. Sounds like a challenge, I'm

897
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: telling you.

898
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: And you're in this business, it's almost impossible to tell

899
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: the fake from the real one. It's just it's just

900
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: mind boggling.

901
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: But you know what I've found skip on my current

902
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: trip with my buddies over there, that I've known for years.

903
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: The French government now have an agreement with China just

904
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: shutting all that stuff.

905
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: Down to safeguarden against fakes.

906
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: You can't there certain store as you cannot go in.

907
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: They don't want any more fakes. There is an agreement

908
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: going down between the French and the Chinese. So you

909
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: better rush over there with your ladder skip you and

910
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: need he run get up there reading this. They're closing.

911
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: But that's it. After all these years because they were

912
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: faking our records. Everything was a fake. I was buying

913
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: all that fake stuff, you know, for years. But right now,

914
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: for whatever's gone down, the French have kind of hit

915
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: the table hard and they're shutting all that stuff down.

916
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: Because I tried to look for places in Hong Kong

917
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: and they said, no, no, they're not open anymore. They're

918
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: not selling that stuff anymore. But you can go to Korea.

919
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: Korea's got a ton of.

920
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: That stuff, you know, Paul. You know another great thing

921
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: about this guy is he's he just touches so many

922
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 3: different bases. Like somebody told me you have a sculpture

923
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: of your dog made out of legos? I mean, how

924
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: do you do that? How do you get something like

925
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: that done? You can look at it. There's the oh

926
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: my god, I got like, just tell us Walker's true.

927
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: How would that happen? How would that happen that you

928
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: would have that.

929
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: There's another one is it's very high low. You know.

930
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: This is Legos that my friend's kids made me, some overachieving,

931
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: brilliant New York kids. And then this one over here

932
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: is Pradu. I did a bunch of robot dogs and

933
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: they had a docs and I was my Docsun actually

934
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: sadly passed away recently. He was nineteen years old, oh nineteen.

935
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: Which you didn't clone. You didn't clone him like Barry

936
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: Diller with.

937
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: His dog Barbara Streisand there's bar Beverly Hills network of

938
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 2: clone dogs. But I did not him. I've met Barry's

939
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: dogs and I don't. I think there's a flaw and design.

940
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: But nineteen years was a long you know, it's a

941
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: long time.

942
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, I was a long time in dog life.

943
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: But now now I have all these fucking dogs around

944
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: my apartment of tributes, so I have to get another doctor.

945
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: I guess one that looks like the old one.

946
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: That's amazing. So you know, if you're helping a man

947
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: put together a wardrobe, like what are the like four

948
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: or five essential things you think a man should have

949
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: in his wardrobe?

950
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: T shirt, a T shirt and a T shirt, then

951
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: another T shirt, and.

952
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: You can never go wrong with the navy blue suit.

953
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: That's right, basic.

954
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, And what's fascinate about navy blue suit is that

955
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 8: you know, whatever you see a politician outside of like

956
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 8: it's so jarring, Like a navy blue suit is so

957
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 8: classic and one in doubt.

958
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: And I say this for me too, by the way,

959
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: when in doubt, I always just put on a navy

960
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: blue suit. My other advice to to fellas is that

961
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: no one is off the rack. Like even if you

962
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: can find someone to tailor things just a little bit,

963
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: you can make a eighty dollars suit, like an eight

964
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: thousand dollars suit, but one in doubt navy blue suit.

965
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, lots of blue and I need tailored suits.

966
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: You can't fit this body like you know what you know,

967
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: I've been going since nineteen sixty two. I don't know

968
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: if you're aware of them. Do you know Chiffinelli in Paris?

969
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: No shut out.

970
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: Oh I'm giving you it's the best tailor in the world,

971
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: chiffanell I started with the parents, then it went down

972
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: to the kids. It's it's like Charve, Charve, I go

973
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: to you go to Chevy.

974
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: I write this Charve I know in the plastidven Dome

975
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: over there.

976
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, right across from the Ritz. But I go to

977
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: You should write down Chiffinelli, the finest tailors. They want

978
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: place in Rome and they got a place in Paris

979
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: and they make the finest, finest suits other than fear

980
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: of Anty, who I used to go to New York?

981
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: Did you know Feat?

982
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: I just wrote it down. I never heard of it.

983
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: Well fair Anty shut down. He passed. Great guy and

984
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: Schiffinelli are just the best tailors in the world. They're

985
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: the only ones that make my suits.

986
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: I thought you'd like some of those. You know, there's

987
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: a really great a lot of great tailors in Hong

988
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: Kong if you're traveling day.

989
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: Yes, you're right. I go to ascot Chan Chan when

990
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I want to get nuts and I want like six suits,

991
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: I'll go there and get them made for twenty five

992
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: hundred bucks and they look they look as good.

993
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 2: But bring it. You can bring your product suit and

994
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: they they will replicate. I won't say knock at all

995
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: out of respect for find folks of products, but can

996
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: be inpot.

997
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: So the opposite end of that high fashion spectrum. I'm

998
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: a golfer and golfers clothing is really beyond pedestrian, but

999
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: it's really sort of classless.

1000
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: Are you going to waste the time of this brilliant

1001
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: young man? This is golf clothes, now, are you crazy?

1002
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: This is this is going to make it. I'm going

1003
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: to make his day.

1004
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: Those people don't know how to dress, I'm gonna make it.

1005
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: I want to hear Derek's take on golf clothes. You

1006
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: got you got forty five seconds.

1007
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: But none a note right skip exactly.

1008
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: So back in the day, right, golf clothing was like

1009
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: bowling clothing. I mean, it's just the worst still is

1010
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 3: Oh no, hold on? So Massimo jian Uli came along

1011
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 3: and he created muscles of the famous college right exactly.

1012
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: But he created a line called G four the letter

1013
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: G and then a slash and fri fashion forward golf clothing.

1014
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 3: Andrew red Valney has a line right now that I'm

1015
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: telling you is terrific. It's just I know, for the

1016
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 3: two of you, this is an athema of the two

1017
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 3: of you. But for golfers that always had the worst

1018
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: clothing in the world. Some guys now some are into

1019
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 3: G four Red Valley, Uh, some of these better lines

1020
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: of clothing, and it just feeds back into the point

1021
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: with you, as a guy that knows style and and

1022
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: sort of has a hand in creating style. I'm just

1023
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 3: wondering what are their news. Is there any of the

1024
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: other new area, if you will, where clothing is headed.

1025
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: That's not just the old you know, old meat for golf.

1026
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: You're talking about golf. Those guys in the dark.

1027
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 3: Now I'm talking.

1028
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking about put shit together.

1029
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: I'm talking about other than golf.

1030
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: Nichael, other than Nike, did a good job of I think,

1031
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: ushering in a new era that find sportswear and ath leisure.

1032
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: And obviously the first big golf star I believe they

1033
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: signed was Tiger Woods. This was, you know, a different

1034
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: era in Tiger's career, and there's definitely been a lot

1035
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: a better, better style offering to the golf community. Skips,

1036
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: I'm happy to hear you're paying attention and doing what

1037
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: you can and make golf a better dress sport. The

1038
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: one that needs help, of course, is figure skating. So

1039
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: if you can call your figure skating friends and see

1040
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 2: if they can.

1041
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: I have so many figure skating friends, I'm not sure

1042
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: which to call first.

1043
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: What's fascinating though, if you want to make it about

1044
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: sports is that these tunnel walks that happen at the

1045
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: NBA games and now the Women's NBA game, Kaitlin Clark

1046
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 2: has been wearing a lot of Prada, and you see

1047
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: like on the search, like when with with Google Search Analytics,

1048
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: when Caitlin Clark wore a Prada white logo tank top,

1049
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: searches for that skyrocket at I think eleven. So there's definitely, well, golf,

1050
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: I definitely don't think it's the best dressed port, despite

1051
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: your best efforts a skip. There's definitely a relationship between

1052
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: between sports and fashion, and if I am a fashion brand,

1053
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: I'm really trying to get some of these you know, Kuzma,

1054
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: these these huge basketball players too and something you know,

1055
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: they're so fucking tall. A lot of those outfits that

1056
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: those guys wear are all custom made. There's definitely a

1057
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: much more robust conversation between basketball players and the fashion space.

1058
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: And we'll see what happens.

1059
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: With the hockey players too. Derek hockey players hockey, and

1060
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: they really dress those guys. You see them before and

1061
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: after they're right up there.

1062
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: I mean those guys also need a haircut and some

1063
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 2: new teeth when they come.

1064
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: Up well, you could retire in a year being a

1065
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: dentist in the NHL. We know. But those guys, you know,

1066
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: I've been in one of those locker rooms as part

1067
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: of it for years. But they they love their fashion. Man,

1068
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: they come to work with shirt styes and the right

1069
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: cut in this is the short jacket. The way to

1070
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: go now for man, the shorter jacket. I see so

1071
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: much of that is that what's in.

1072
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: The if you're I mean, there was a moment when

1073
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: these very crop tailored fit jackets, like when Tom Brown,

1074
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with that lad, but

1075
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 2: he sort of drastically reduced fit and legs became shorter

1076
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: and jackets became more cropped. But in the wake of

1077
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: this quiet luxury stuff right now, it's about a bag

1078
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: year looser fit hang off a little bit more than

1079
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: they used to look at.

1080
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: ARMANI general.

1081
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: Was from you know, I actually just got a double

1082
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: breasted peeklepel and navy blue soup from Georgia. Armani. That

1083
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: was summer. I got, you know, a bunch of weddings

1084
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: this summer. So hope I don't see you at the

1085
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: same wedding twice because I'll be wearing that same pete

1086
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: lapeled navy blue double breath Georgi Romani suit the other

1087
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: thing and sports. Travis Kelchi is the you know, the

1088
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's boyfriend. There's been a lot of pieces about

1089
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: his influence on the conversation between footballers and everybody wants

1090
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: to get into fashion skip even your golf buddies by

1091
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: the sound of it.

1092
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 3: But by the way, what you're talking about is interesting

1093
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 3: because you look at the basketball players. Used to wear sweats.

1094
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: Now they get dressed up and before they walk in

1095
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 3: if they have a shot of them, Lebron was wearing

1096
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 3: Tom Brown with the stripes on the sleepy and all

1097
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: of a sudden, all of a sudden, you turn around,

1098
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: people are wearing Tom Brown. They weren't even familiar with it.

1099
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 3: Because you know all these celebrities and athletes. The truth

1100
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 3: is they do have such an impact on the world

1101
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 3: of fashion, right. I mean, people are followers and they

1102
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 3: see what their favorite you know, actor or athlete is wearing,

1103
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 3: don't you, But how would you say your personal style

1104
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 3: has evolved over the years.

1105
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: There was a good story and sentence door in fact

1106
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: checks on podcasts. I'm happy to tell it and you

1107
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: can tell me if it's true or false. Was that

1108
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: when Nike first signed with Michael Jordan, they still had

1109
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: a no black tennis shoe rule and there was a fine,

1110
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: and so instead of and he wanted to wear black

1111
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: Nike's the originally Air Force ones. So Nike just agreed

1112
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: to pay the fine.

1113
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 3: Every game that was in the movie. Actually, Paul's son

1114
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 3: in law Jason Bateman.

1115
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: Tell Jason, I didn't watch air.

1116
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 3: That's the movie.

1117
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: His his black shoe. Que said that his black shoe

1118
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: in the game that he had a severe virus flu

1119
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: and he played. Somebody bought those shoes for a million two.

1120
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: Really see look million two black shoes.

1121
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: Well they should be read to be worth that much

1122
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: or something. Paul a little bit of color.

1123
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, these collectors today, Derek, I mean,

1124
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: you gotta be saving stuff. I mean, this collectible world

1125
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: is off the charts. I don't know who these people are.

1126
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: Who's got ten million dollars for a card for some

1127
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: baseball player that didn't chew gum? Did you ever follow

1128
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: these collectors? They're buying everything.

1129
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: There was a good article in The New York Or

1130
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago on the on Julian of

1131
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: Julian's auctions. And he's the one that really I think

1132
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: he was in that sold Merily Monroe's Happy Birthday dress

1133
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: to Ripley's Believe it or not, you know, which they

1134
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 2: say is now worth five million bucks. And there's definitely

1135
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: a market for celebrity collectibles. Paul, don't throw anything away.

1136
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: My mom is gonna.

1137
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: I went through my house a few weeks ago, you know,

1138
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: because I'm at eighty three. I got stuff in my attic.

1139
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: I got it in storage places. I got so much

1140
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: stuff I won't I won't part with. I got a

1141
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: comic book collection. I was looking at it last night.

1142
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: I got like six drawers full of old comic books.

1143
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: We got a doubt the mind.

1144
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: That could be you've got any good first appearances in there?

1145
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: That could be. Don't throw anything away, Paul, let me come.

1146
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't throw anything away. I don't even throw a

1147
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: toilet paperway. I don't throw anything.

1148
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: Away that you can throw away.

1149
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: Please, So before we let you go, one of the things, well.

1150
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: We let him go. I love this guy. Do mean

1151
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: let him go? You run into a hot chick or whatever.

1152
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: You keep him for as long as you can. You're

1153
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: gonna let him go? How do you know he wants

1154
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: to go? He's listen, it's the middle of his afternoon.

1155
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't dress for dinner for two hours. I love

1156
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: this man. I'm not letting him go. Skip you go, skip,

1157
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: go get a new golf outfit.

1158
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, we can pick out your outfit. I'm seeing a

1159
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: Slean Beyond documentary tonight. Have you guys heard about this on?

1160
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

1161
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I've heard of it. She's an old friend.

1162
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: I think she's been through hell.

1163
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 3: Recently, and I think, what does she have that stiff something?

1164
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a great lady. Her and her husband we're

1165
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: dear friends, and of course we lost him. But she's

1166
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: an amazing artist and a good human being.

1167
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: I'm a fan. I'm a fan of actually, you know.

1168
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: I think, like a lot of her fans, very sad

1169
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: that this illness has prevented her. She doesn't know if

1170
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: she's ever going to perform live a guy I saw

1171
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: in Vegas three times. Like a real fan, I think she.

1172
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: I think she's going to come back, Derek, Oh, I hope.

1173
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 4: So.

1174
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: I just see and sense what's going on there. I

1175
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: think that somehow they've helped her get to a place

1176
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: where she's going to be confident to go on Stagey.

1177
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: I hope, so, I really hope. So anyway, so I know,

1178
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: so here we go.

1179
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: I won't give you the last one. I'll give you

1180
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 3: the next to the last, and that is that our

1181
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: producer Jordan again, he's into fragrance and he had a

1182
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 3: question that he wanted to ask you. So, Jordan, have

1183
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: at it.

1184
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm a newbie to that world.

1185
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 2: I was.

1186
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 7: I was writing an article on Quincy Jones, and during

1187
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 7: my research, so many people talked about how good he smelled,

1188
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 7: and I just thought that was hilarious. Considering how accomplished

1189
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 7: Quincy Jones was, one of the second or third things

1190
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 7: people would mention about him was how good he smelled.

1191
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 7: And that sort of set me down a rabbit hole

1192
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 7: of niche fragrances. And I was just wondering as sort

1193
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 7: of a new person to that world and getting overwhelmed

1194
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 7: with you know, Creed and Aqua Parma and all these

1195
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 7: these great vintage brands. What are some great classic men's

1196
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 7: colognes that, like you, kind of came come wrong with?

1197
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: Do you know what I started wearing, which is probably

1198
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: I should be talking therapist about and not you guys.

1199
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: I started wearing c K one, which that I wore

1200
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: in college. Oh my god, high school. Maybe I'm nostalgic

1201
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: and wistful for my older days. I'm actually I'm cutting

1202
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: and pasting into the chat here, Jordan, there's a great

1203
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: article that was in the New York Times last week

1204
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: about how teen boys are now more into fragrance than

1205
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: they are fashioned. H I'll spend hundreds of on a

1206
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 2: new cologne more than they will like a video game.

1207
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so you got Creed air mess savage.

1208
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: I think Caring just bought Creed for like a billion dollars.

1209
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: I used to wear the fragrance. I used to wear

1210
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: a lot. There's a blue by Chanelle. I feel very

1211
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: under eclipped it. I should talk to a teenage boy.

1212
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: We have no more than me.

1213
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 4: I have one.

1214
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: I have one, Paul. When we were kids, remember canoe?

1215
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's all I wore. You know what turned

1216
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: me on the Creed was Carrie Grant? Really carry Grant wore.

1217
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: He was the most stylish guy. Him and Dean Martin

1218
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: A taught me always have a tan. Hello, folks, I

1219
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: never wore makeup. And he wore Creed. And then he

1220
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: introduced me to a shirt maker back in the sixties

1221
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: called Si, the shirt maker on fifty seventh Street, because

1222
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: I used to love his callers and I loved them

1223
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: high in the back. And he took me up to

1224
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: say the shirt maker who was Bananas, who was the

1225
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: sweetest guy, because he never stopped reconstructing his shop, so

1226
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: if he walked in on June and then went back

1227
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: in September, he had another door. But he made the

1228
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: greatest shirt collar ever. And Carrie introduced me to Si

1229
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: and heuded to do me to Creed. Those are the

1230
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: two things. And have a tan.

1231
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh, well, you've got the ready to go.

1232
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 3: Green Irish tweet.

1233
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 7: That's what parallel Cary grant Or and Quincy Jones.

1234
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: That's what got me starting Quincy, Dear Quincy.

1235
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: What a trait for me to be in the same

1236
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: conversation as Carry Grant I'll take well, you know.

1237
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: What you're worthy.

1238
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: I'll take it.

1239
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: You are absolutely worthy, my boy.

1240
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: So I was going to tell you we had Harvey

1241
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 3: Levin of TMZ, a friend of balls, on our podcast

1242
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: last week, and he'll.

1243
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: Be a friend of everyone. There's probably a couple people

1244
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: who wouldn't say they're friends with the proprietor of TMZ.

1245
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: But sorry, go ahead, there.

1246
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 3: There you go. We talk about his schedule. So he

1247
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 3: gets up at three o'clock in the morning, let's start

1248
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: with that, goes and works out. And I'm sure you

1249
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 3: don't do that. But what's your typical schedule, Like, what's

1250
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: the day like for you?

1251
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: We as kids now, so that's gonna be in fact,

1252
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 2: And I used to get everything done in the middle

1253
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: of the night when everyone was asleep. I still do

1254
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: the majority of my work between ten and eleven and

1255
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 2: one and two, which isn't great. Kids make up at six,

1256
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: but that's when you, uh, that's when, that's when that's quiet.

1257
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: That's when your phone's not ringing.

1258
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: See that Skippy skips always teasing me. Excuse me, Derek,

1259
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: because I'm up till three. That's when I get all

1260
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: my creative stuff done. Nobody understands how wonderful it is

1261
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: to create late. Nothing's bothering you. But go ahead, Derek,

1262
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: So you're up late.

1263
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 2: And then it's me, you and Prince Paul. That's what

1264
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 2: we were.

1265
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: Prince God bless him, what a talented dute he was.

1266
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: And also, and I'm going to tell you something. So

1267
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: there's a woman called Anncheske who started a company called

1268
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: twenty three and me and I once told her that

1269
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: desinde my best efforts to become a morning person. I'm

1270
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 2: a night owl. And she says that she has identified

1271
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: in our genetic makeup that some people are predisposed to

1272
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 2: being more creative in the evening. You know, you meet

1273
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: some people and they say, oh, I'm a morning person.

1274
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: I wake up at five, no matter what sounds like

1275
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: that TMZ guy is that sort of person, that's you,

1276
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: that's you. Skip, I'm not that type of person. I wish.

1277
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 2: And there were a long time when you hear about

1278
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: a profile of an A Winter or Bob Iger or

1279
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: are Emanuel, these people who are like I'm on at five.

1280
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: And I used to feel like I would never be

1281
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: as successful as some of these folks because I can't

1282
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: do it. But I've been unburdened with the notion that

1283
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: being a night owl can be just as rewarded. And

1284
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: like Paul, like a prince, like Barack Obama, there's a

1285
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: lot of night owls.

1286
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: So Derek, they have to get up. There's a difference.

1287
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: You get to a certain place. Those people like Skip

1288
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: and everyone you make, they have to get up to

1289
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: talk to new We don't have to get up. Will

1290
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: you become really successful and one day I will go

1291
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: and say, fuck it, I got money independence. I'm not

1292
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: getting up at eight and nine. It ain't gonna happen.

1293
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 4: Didn't. That's for me.

1294
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: Those kids, those kids are gonna well, they've already changed

1295
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: your life. You've got to be up with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: I'm just tired of that.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, this has been great. Yeah, be sure you

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Speaker 3: tell Nick guy. I said, all out of love that guy.

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Speaker 3: He's so good.

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Speaker 2: I will He's my much better had one. And I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna tell Amanda that I hung out with her dad today.

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Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that you that you guys invited

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Speaker 2: me to join.

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Speaker 1: She knows I took her to dinner the other night.

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Speaker 1: She brought Jen along, you know, her buddy, her partner. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I said, I'm real excited. Guess what I got

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Speaker 1: coming on? Because I was doing my homework on you

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Speaker 1: and she just went off. So I was all prepared

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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: You know what, man, you're one of a kind, and

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Speaker 1: you're you're making your own path and that's cool and

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Speaker 1: just stay with it. And a lot of good luck

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Speaker 1: with your family, you know.

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Speaker 2: I you gotta say Hi Karl Blastberg, Hi Bill Blastberg,

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Speaker 2: if you ever see him?

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Speaker 1: Well, when I go to Saint Louis, I think I might.

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Speaker 1: I think I'll dodge when there's a Luland crime, I'll

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Speaker 1: make a trip to Saint Louis. I got my feelers up.

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Speaker 1: Help bring him to the concert. I'll even send them

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Speaker 1: an armed vehicle. Give my love to the I will Derek,

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Speaker 1: I've loved it man, and I'll see you in New

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Speaker 1: York seriously.

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Speaker 2: Perfect or I'll find you guys in La Skip today,

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Our Away with Paul Anka and Skip Bronson is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtog, with supervising producer

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Speaker 3: and editor Marcy Depina.

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