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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: And welcome. To My Favorite Murder.

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Speaker 1: That's Georgia Hardstark.

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Speaker 2: That's Karen Kilgara.

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Speaker 1: And we're here to podcast at you.

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Speaker 2: Always and forever. That's the contract we signed.

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Speaker 1: With the devil.

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Speaker 2: Come with me. To hell. To podcast for the rest

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Speaker 2: of your life.

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Speaker 1: Listen, I shouldn't have said to hell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We love it here.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love hell. It's the best.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever kind of do secretary actions knowing that

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Speaker 3: you don't have to do any secretary jobs?

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Speaker 2: There's definitely just moments throughout my day where I think, thankful.

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Speaker 2: Fucking God, this is my life.

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Speaker 1: For real.

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Speaker 2: So grateful.

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Speaker 3: My passion that I discovered in sixth grade, which is

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Speaker 3: reading aloud, is my job.

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Speaker 2: And talking as much as you want.

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Speaker 1: All the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All the reasons. Yeah. Talking here, conversationally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and reading off of here.

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Speaker 2: Just read your thing. Yeah. That's pretty great.

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Speaker 1: And now you can too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Take our course. For only $ 400.

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Speaker 2: We're selling something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. Why is this bothering me? Okay.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's selling something, and those who say they aren't are lying.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: A quote from... What?

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Speaker 2: Grimace. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who it is.

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Speaker 2: Who's Grimace? I didn't get that.

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: That was a... The Grimace part was a joke, too.

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Speaker 3: I had a really, really big mocha frappuccino before I

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Speaker 3: came here.

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Speaker 2: I had a pouch... from a new brand in my

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Speaker 2: gum that's supposed to give me energy. No, it's not nicotine.

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Speaker 2: It's like... A.

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Speaker 1: Little energy pouch.

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Speaker 2: Neurotropic.

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Speaker 1: What's it feel like?

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Speaker 2: I feel good so far.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's working.

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Speaker 3: Are you seeing multiplication in front of you and you're

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Speaker 3: solving it?

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Speaker 2: I know how to play chess now.

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's what I'm selling.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Cheek pouch enhancers? Energy cheek pouches.

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Speaker 2: I'm like Gen Z. I'm so young.

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Speaker 1: You're down by the old.

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Speaker 1: Farmville. I don't know any of the games people play.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of games, want to hear something funny? Yes. Vince Averill,

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Speaker 2: my one and only husband.

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Speaker 1: So you say.

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Speaker 2: Is now in a band with Marcus Parks from last podcast. No.

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Speaker 2: They're in a fucking band together.

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Speaker 1: And now you can too. That's fucking amazing.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that right? He plays golf with Chris Fairbanks and

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Speaker 2: he's in a band with Marcus.

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Speaker 1: What does Marcus play?

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Speaker 2: He plays drums.

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Speaker 1: That's badass.

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Speaker 2: And they're, like, good.

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Speaker 1: Will you please invite me when they do a show?

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Speaker 2: Of course. I don't know when it's going to happen,

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Speaker 2: but yes, of course.

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Speaker 1: Did they just start?

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Speaker 2: No, they've had quite a few practices, just jamming.

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Speaker 3: Is it, like, the heavy metal that Vince is so

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Speaker 3: interested in or whatever they call it?

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Speaker 2: No, it's a little more melodic.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: This isn't the case, but it reminds me, like, Vince

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Speaker 2: no reason. And one of their girlfriends called it smoking

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Speaker 2: pot practice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's not what this is.

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Speaker 2: They were playing electronic back then. This is different. This

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Speaker 2: is different. Yeah, so I'll let everyone know. They're going

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Speaker 2: to be opening for us. I thought you'd get a

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Speaker 2: kick out of that.

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Speaker 1: I love it. That's really badass.

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Speaker 2: Should we tell everyone that we have a podcast network

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Speaker 2: in case they don't know?

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Speaker 3: No, I think we should keep it a secret.

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Speaker 2: It's called Exactly Right Media. Here are some highlights from it.

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Speaker 1: We've got a little show called Disgraceland. You may have

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Speaker 1: heard of it.

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Speaker 3: The great Jake Brennan this week will be telling the

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Speaker 3: story of Alice Bagg, who is an underground feminist icon...

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Speaker 3: of LA's early punk scene. It's set against the terrifying

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Speaker 3: backdrop of the Hillside Stranglers. I cover them on episode 114,

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Speaker 3: Civic Order.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of familiar cases, over on Hollywoodland, Jake tells

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Speaker 2: the story of Rodney Alcala, the dating game killer, absolute monster.

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Speaker 2: I covered that case back on episode 54 called Valet Area.

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Speaker 1: What's going on in those titles?

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Speaker 2: Don't know.

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Speaker 1: They don't seem familiar.

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Speaker 3: Then, over on Wicked Words, Kate Winkler Dawson welcomes back

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Speaker 3: Dawson Fearnow to discuss the state of Arizona's secret role

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Speaker 3: in the Federal Witness Protection Program. Amazing topic.

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Speaker 2: Arizona, you got some explaining to do.

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Speaker 1: It's no secret. We've seen all those 80s movies.

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Speaker 3: They dig into the stories of mob informants who were

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Speaker 3: given new identities but couldn't manage to stay out of trouble.

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Speaker 2: That's where the movie My Blue Heaven starts. Yes. Is

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Speaker 2: that exactly? That's right. Fear Now is such a rad

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Speaker 2: last name, isn't it? Yeah. And on brief recess, Michael

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Speaker 2: and Melissa address all of the online buzz around Michael

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Speaker 2: joining the new season of The Traitors, including the most

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Speaker 2: important question, did Alan Cumming like him best? Of course

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Speaker 2: he did.

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Speaker 1: How do you not?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the two of them together, get them a sitcom.

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Speaker 2: It's happening. These couches are working. Plus, they break down

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court's rejection of Trump's appeal involving the $ 5

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Speaker 2: million judgment he owes E. Jean Carroll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, go listen to that.

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Speaker 2: Important stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And then another Bravo leb graced this network this week

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Speaker 3: over on I Said No Gifts. Bridger welcomes back comedian

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Speaker 3: and host of Bravo's Love Hotel, And despite Joel once

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Speaker 3: again arriving with a gift on the show, they chop

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Speaker 3: it up about car accidents, threats from space, and salad.

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Speaker 2: Love all those things.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: And in the merch corner, we have a brand new

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Speaker 2: license plate frame. It says, my favorite murder. This is terrible.

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Speaker 2: Keep going. Do we need to put these on our cars?

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Speaker 1: Not much for wearing your own merch.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: That's my stance.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. And it's just in time for National Traffic

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Speaker 2: Awareness Month. You know how passionate we are.

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Speaker 1: Every year. Every year we tell you. We sit you

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Speaker 1: down and we say, it is traffic awareness.

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Speaker 2: You know it. It's been in your calendar.

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Speaker 1: Stop ignoring it.

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Speaker 2: With a little cupcake for months. Get aware. How dare you.

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Speaker 2: What's happening?

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Speaker 1: A little cupcake.

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Speaker 2: Keep going, drive safely, and grab yours at exactlyrightstore.com. And

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Speaker 2: if you see me driving my borrowed Hyundai with this,

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Speaker 2: throw me a cupcake. Wow, this is working.

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Speaker 1: Get that pouch out of your mouth and stop it.

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Speaker 2: Your water is moments from fucking falling over.

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Speaker 1: There's some out of it.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: It's always on the precipice.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I'm first.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Get out of my way.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to sit here quietly like I always do.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you a little story that I

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Speaker 3: had heard of like distantly. This is one of those

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Speaker 3: like a faraway forensic files kind of memory that you have.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting the truth behind it.

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Speaker 3: Okay. It's July 2nd, 1993, and we're in Pahang, Malaysia.

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Speaker 3: And an ambitious 49-year-old state assemblyman named Maslin Idris is

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Speaker 3: Twenty days later, on July 22nd, his remains are found,

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Speaker 3: and there are three people that suspicions fall on. But

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Speaker 3: in the media frenzy that follows, only one of them

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Speaker 3: becomes the enduring face of this case. That person's name

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Speaker 3: is Mona Fendi. And this is one of the most

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Speaker 3: notorious true crime cases in Malaysian history. This is the

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Speaker 3: story of the witch doctor murders, the murder of Maslin Idris.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

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Speaker 3: The main sources used today are articles from the Malaysian

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Speaker 3: newspapers The Star and The New Straits Times, as well

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Speaker 3: as reporting that by Mitzi Zaretto, and the rest of

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Speaker 3: them are in our show notes. So now it's January

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Speaker 3: of 1956, and a baby named Mazna Ismail is born

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Speaker 3: gets really into singing and performing, and she fantasizes about

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Speaker 3: she does take a more conventional path in life by

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Speaker 1: She never lets go of it. But by the time.

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Speaker 3: She's 30, she's divorced and raising her baby, Diana, alone.

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Speaker 3: And that is until she meets 29-year-old sound engineer Mohamed

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Speaker 3: Afandi Abdul Rahman. In most reporting, they refer to him

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Speaker 3: So Mazna and Afandi have this whirlwind romance, and they're

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Speaker 3: is ready and eager to use his music industry knowledge

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Speaker 1: So it's the perfect love story.

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Speaker 3: Got it. And this is when Mazna decides that she

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Speaker 3: needs a stage name. So she renames herself Mona Fendi.

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Speaker 3: And that's an homage to her husband, who is now

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Speaker 3: Mohamed Afandi.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 3: So in 1987, the couple records and self-releases Mona's debut album.

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Speaker 1: She names it Diana One.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 1: There's Mona.

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Speaker 2: Mona has jewelry goals, like the gold bangles and gold

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Speaker 2: necklaces and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Also, Mona looks like she's in Tropic Thunder.

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Speaker 2: She does.

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Speaker 1: In a way that is shocking and hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Totally does.

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Speaker 1: But this one's for Diana. Diana number one. She's number one.

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Speaker 3: So it isn't, as you had guessed, it isn't a

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Speaker 3: chart topper, but a few of her songs actually do

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Speaker 3: So it all comes together, and Mona is able to

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Speaker 3: And Mazlan is reportedly introduced to Mona and Afandi through

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Just to start spreading the news?

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Speaker 3: So Mazlan is, because he's a believer, he clearly trusts

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Speaker 1: For all my dreams.

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Speaker 2: Let me make bad financial decisions with someone else's money,

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Speaker 2: Everything else was undetectable, right?

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Speaker 2: Something looks different about you.

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Speaker 3: You look exactly the same way you did in high school.

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Speaker 3: I love if anybody says that to me. I go,

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I don't need Botox because I've already gotten it.

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Speaker 1: It's filled with Botox.

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Speaker 2: I could barely move my fucking face. Nothing is real.

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Speaker 1: Nothing is real.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people who get breast implants go really

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Speaker 3: It's been almost two weeks since Maslin Idris's disappearance. And

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Speaker 3: No one knows why he confessed or did it that way,

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Speaker 2: He confessed under duress.

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Speaker 3: Either way, Jeraime confesses, and he implicates both Mona and Afandi.

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Speaker 3: And then in the coming days, police locate and unearth

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Speaker 1: They were buried under a construction site for one of

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Speaker 3: And this part is horrible and graphic, as all true

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Speaker 1: He brought doubling.

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Speaker 3: And as he did that, Jeraime basically came and attacked

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Speaker 2: So it was a plan. I was thinking maybe accidental

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Speaker 3: No. They eventually prove it was completely premeditated.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: The part that I can never get over, which is

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Speaker 2: How do you find two people who want to do

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Speaker 3: Yes. They immediately turn on him. And they blame it

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00:20:38,020 --> 00:20:41,940
Speaker 3: all on him. They claim that Moslin still owed them

453
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 3: for their services so they would have no reason to

454
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 3: want him dead because then they couldn't get paid. On

455
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,380
Speaker 3: the stand, Afandi tries to actually explain away the forged

456
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,659
Speaker 3: signatures that were on the land titles. by saying, quote, Okay.

457
00:20:56,270 --> 00:21:01,250
Speaker 3: There's no reason.

458
00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:07,109
Speaker 1: There's no if-then. No. I can't follow.

459
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:11,750
Speaker 3: The prosecutors argue that this crime is premeditated and that

460
00:21:11,790 --> 00:21:14,570
Speaker 3: the couple created a situation where they knew Maslan would

461
00:21:14,590 --> 00:21:17,330
Speaker 3: be carrying a lot of money and they planned to

462
00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 3: murder him. One motive for the murder is that getting

463
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,150
Speaker 3: Maslan's properties is the real payoff And it's worth much

464
00:21:24,210 --> 00:21:26,650
Speaker 3: more than all the incremental money they would have made

465
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:28,510
Speaker 3: off of him charging him as a client.

466
00:21:28,609 --> 00:21:28,830
Speaker 1: Right.

467
00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:32,270
Speaker 3: For hats and canes. And how many more things can

468
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:33,609
Speaker 3: you actually sell to a person?

469
00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:37,270
Speaker 2: One of those fake mustache, like, glasses deals.

470
00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:39,889
Speaker 1: That thing? $ 500, 000. Yeah. Okay.

471
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:44,969
Speaker 3: So now it's the trial. And the public is shocked

472
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,429
Speaker 3: and captivated at every turn. And every day there's an

473
00:21:48,619 --> 00:21:52,490
Speaker 3: onslaught of news reports that cover the proceedings. So murders

474
00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:55,260
Speaker 3: in Malaysia are rare, but the brutal murder of a

475
00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:58,340
Speaker 3: sitting politician where one of the killers is a woman

476
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:02,500
Speaker 3: and that woman is a shaman is unheard of. So

477
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,129
Speaker 3: Mona becomes the object of the public's fascination. Of course,

478
00:22:06,770 --> 00:22:10,889
Speaker 3: she's young, she's chic, she's a bomo, and that's already

479
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:11,930
Speaker 3: made her a unicorn.

480
00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: But Mona's behavior in the courtroom... really raises the intrigue levels.

481
00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: Do you have pictures of her? Oh, yes.

482
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,770
Speaker 3: Mona walks into the courtroom every day doing an all-teeth

483
00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:24,690
Speaker 3: smile as she goes in and out.

484
00:22:24,970 --> 00:22:26,410
Speaker 1: That's her smile every day.

485
00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:28,630
Speaker 2: That's actually plastic surgery. She got her face.

486
00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:29,870
Speaker 1: She can't move it back.

487
00:22:30,609 --> 00:22:33,390
Speaker 2: She looks thrilled. It's very unsettling.

488
00:22:33,750 --> 00:22:35,590
Speaker 3: So that's how she looked going in and out every

489
00:22:35,650 --> 00:22:38,820
Speaker 3: single day. She wore very chic clothes.

490
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,780
Speaker 1: She had a full face of makeup.

491
00:22:40,820 --> 00:22:43,390
Speaker 3: She dressed to the nines like And she basically did

492
00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:45,550
Speaker 3: this walk like it was a paparazzi walk.

493
00:22:45,609 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: It's such an out-of-touch thing to do that you kind

494
00:22:49,340 --> 00:22:52,100
Speaker 2: of— it makes a little more sense that that's what she

495
00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: thinks she should be doing.

496
00:22:53,780 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: Yes.

497
00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:59,110
Speaker 2: Even acting like she— Isn't guilt. You know, it's like

498
00:22:59,230 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: this is weird. That's weird. She needs like an emergency

499
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:02,940
Speaker 2: PR person.

500
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,780
Speaker 1: Well, she was a singer, not an actor.

501
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: Right.

502
00:23:05,619 --> 00:23:09,460
Speaker 3: So she could only really cover herself that way. Here's

503
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:10,210
Speaker 3: another just.

504
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:12,649
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a joyous face.

505
00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:15,750
Speaker 1: She just I think she loves the camera. And it

506
00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: is that idea of like, I mean.

507
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:21,140
Speaker 3: This is the story so many times when people want

508
00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:23,379
Speaker 3: to be artists or want to go that direction and

509
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,260
Speaker 3: it doesn't work out.

510
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,699
Speaker 2: Hitler, for example.

511
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,020
Speaker 3: Hitler himself. It is such a weird pipeline. And then

512
00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: it's like showbiz.

513
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,060
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway can get it. Yeah. Great.

514
00:23:34,420 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 3: I think those people, they should figure out that they

515
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: can order those cameras and the flashes on Amazon.

516
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: And you can just do that for yourself.

517
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: Oh, take a photo of yourself?

518
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,340
Speaker 1: Walk to the bathroom and make it a red carpet event.

519
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: Why not?

520
00:23:48,540 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: Sure.

521
00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:50,050
Speaker 1: If you love it that much.

522
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:54,110
Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like if you cover the police people,

523
00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: it looks like she's in a sitcom in the 80s.

524
00:23:57,290 --> 00:23:58,510
Speaker 2: We're going to do it.

525
00:23:58,930 --> 00:24:00,710
Speaker 1: She's in a commercial for pantyhose.

526
00:24:00,750 --> 00:24:01,170
Speaker 2: Yes.

527
00:24:01,270 --> 00:24:02,450
Speaker 1: Yes, completely.

528
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,129
Speaker 2: Crazy.

529
00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 3: You can look at those pictures and be like, she's

530
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 3: so chic. What's she all about? Or what is she doing?

531
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,820
Speaker 3: What is happening?

532
00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:12,379
Speaker 1: She also gets— it doesn't stop.

533
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:16,260
Speaker 3: There— She inexplicably refers to all the people following this

534
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,370
Speaker 3: case as her fans.

535
00:24:17,609 --> 00:24:18,570
Speaker 2: Oh, dear.

536
00:24:18,670 --> 00:24:21,090
Speaker 3: She memorizes the names of all the reporters in the room.

537
00:24:21,530 --> 00:24:24,340
Speaker 3: She thanks the court photographers for taking her photo.

538
00:24:24,380 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: Oh, jeez. She's Delulu.

539
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: Yes.

540
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,070
Speaker 1: And no one expects to see this at a murder trial.

541
00:24:30,550 --> 00:24:33,090
Speaker 3: And even though she's one of three people, you know,

542
00:24:33,130 --> 00:24:35,590
Speaker 3: involved in this crime or being accused of this crime,

543
00:24:35,609 --> 00:24:37,930
Speaker 3: in the courtroom, it's only Mona.

544
00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:38,830
Speaker 2: Yeah.

545
00:24:39,150 --> 00:24:41,990
Speaker 3: As the press covers her, rumors of her so-called black

546
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,419
Speaker 3: magic powers spread to the point that she's thought of

547
00:24:45,619 --> 00:24:47,820
Speaker 3: less as a murderer or a con artist and more

548
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,710
Speaker 3: of a supernatural being who has just made a human sacrifice. Yes.

549
00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:52,830
Speaker 1: Wow.

550
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,570
Speaker 3: Yeah. When it becomes an international story, you may remember

551
00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:58,689
Speaker 3: when it hit the U.S., they referred to her as

552
00:24:58,730 --> 00:25:02,310
Speaker 3: a witch doctor. So it's just a complete circus. One

553
00:25:02,350 --> 00:25:05,630
Speaker 3: reporter for Malaysia's The Star newspaper writes about an exchange

554
00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:09,100
Speaker 3: where a court reporter saw Mona's other side when he, quote,

555
00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: accidentally pushed against her and in a flash, the irate

556
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: Bomo spat at the poor man, the spittle hitting him

557
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,820
Speaker 3: in the arm. Everyone froze as the man duly dropped

558
00:25:19,859 --> 00:25:22,820
Speaker 3: his camera and everything he was carrying fell and sped

559
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,940
Speaker 3: to the washroom to clean himself. The fear of enraging

560
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:30,090
Speaker 3: one believed to have supernatural powers is very real after all.

561
00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:33,010
Speaker 1: Wow. Yes. Not just it's gross.

562
00:25:33,050 --> 00:25:33,270
Speaker 2: Yeah.

563
00:25:33,630 --> 00:25:35,570
Speaker 1: It's, oh my God, like she's cursing.

564
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:36,170
Speaker 2: Cursing, yeah.

565
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:40,649
Speaker 3: Okay. So now it's February of 1995 and the trial's

566
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 3: over and the jury has gone out to deliberate. It

567
00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:46,580
Speaker 3: takes them less than an hour before coming back with

568
00:25:46,619 --> 00:25:50,899
Speaker 3: their verdict. All three defendants are found guilty. At this time,

569
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,210
Speaker 3: a murder conviction in Malaysia is an automatic death sentence.

570
00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:55,050
Speaker 2: Yeah.

571
00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:58,970
Speaker 3: Anti-death penalty advocates immediately start lobbying for a reduction of

572
00:25:58,990 --> 00:26:02,949
Speaker 3: their sentences. No one thinks these people are innocent. But

573
00:26:03,030 --> 00:26:06,090
Speaker 3: advocates argue that given the media circus around the trial,

574
00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:09,740
Speaker 3: and especially around Mona herself, there's no way any of

575
00:26:09,780 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: them had an impartial jury.

576
00:26:11,619 --> 00:26:12,899
Speaker 1: It took the whole country by storm.

577
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: So Mona Afandi and Jeraimi spend six years on death

578
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: row while police investigate to see whether they're linked to

579
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,649
Speaker 3: any other disappearances or unsolved murders involving dismembered bodies or

580
00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:27,929
Speaker 3: ritualistic deaths or anything. Shit.

581
00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:29,010
Speaker 1: Nothing comes of it.

582
00:26:29,030 --> 00:26:30,109
Speaker 2: Okay.

583
00:26:30,410 --> 00:26:34,770
Speaker 3: But their sentence stands. And so one day in November

584
00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:38,669
Speaker 3: of 2001, the three defendants are allowed several hours to

585
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:41,500
Speaker 3: say goodbye to their families, and they are executed.

586
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,740
Speaker 1: Mona is 45 years old. Afandi is 44 years old.

587
00:26:46,150 --> 00:26:48,090
Speaker 1: And Jeraime is 31 years old.

588
00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:48,890
Speaker 2: Wow.

589
00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:53,540
Speaker 3: And reportedly, I'm sorry to like this, but reportedly Mona's

590
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: final words are, quote, I will never die.

591
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:59,420
Speaker 1: My soul will live on forever, even after my demise.

592
00:27:00,220 --> 00:27:05,370
Speaker 2: Wow. Intense. Yes. She's not fucking around. I'll give her that.

593
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:06,230
Speaker 1: It's a threat.

594
00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:10,970
Speaker 3: Yeah. Thanks to this case in part, Malaysia, like India, Pakistan,

595
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:14,649
Speaker 3: and Singapore, no longer has a jury system. Oh. It's

596
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:18,060
Speaker 3: abolished in 1995, a couple of years after this trial,

597
00:27:18,390 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: and now all cases in Malaysia are determined by a judge.

598
00:27:22,260 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: There are people who debate which is better.

599
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: They both have flaws, you know, although many people believe

600
00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:32,690
Speaker 3: a jury trial is the symbol of democracy. More recently

601
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:35,990
Speaker 3: in 2023, and thanks again to the efforts of anti-death

602
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:40,850
Speaker 3: penalty advocates, Malaysia's mandatory capital punishment for crimes like murder,

603
00:27:41,290 --> 00:27:45,130
Speaker 3: drug trafficking, treason, and other offenses is is finally repealed.

604
00:27:45,710 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: Judges can still issue a death penalty. It's no longer

605
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: an automatic sentence. Oh, do you have a joint in

606
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,420
Speaker 3: your pocket?

607
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,340
Speaker 2: Yeah. Goodbye. So scary.

608
00:27:54,580 --> 00:27:59,010
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Mona's role in Malaysian culture has transformed with time.

609
00:27:59,570 --> 00:28:02,470
Speaker 3: She was a cultural boogeyman, the kind kids tell each

610
00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: other scary stories about at sleepovers. Yeah. And the story

611
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,340
Speaker 3: does reemerge when Malaysian people are unhappy with their national politicians.

612
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: Oh, shit.

613
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,899
Speaker 2: Uh-huh.

614
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,470
Speaker 3: So there was like a tweet that eventually was deleted.

615
00:28:15,490 --> 00:28:19,210
Speaker 3: It was like their politics. Somebody had done something and

616
00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:23,310
Speaker 3: somebody tweeted something like, it turns out Mona Fandi was right.

617
00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:25,750
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's a threat.

618
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:30,500
Speaker 3: Right? Either way, it does seem like Mona Fandi was

619
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,420
Speaker 3: right because she isn't dead yet.

620
00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:33,700
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah.

621
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: And that's the story of Mona Fandy, the so-called witch

622
00:28:36,820 --> 00:28:37,580
Speaker 1: doctor murderer.

623
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,540
Speaker 2: Wow, I don't know that story at all.

624
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:41,420
Speaker 1: Same.

625
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: Great job.

626
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you.

627
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: I have a heist for you.

628
00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Oh, you do?

629
00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:51,820
Speaker 2: I sure do.

630
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:53,100
Speaker 1: What a wonderful gift.

631
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: Put on your top hat and get your cane, and

632
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,540
Speaker 2: let's get ready.

633
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,610
Speaker 3: I just need to manifest a magical cane and hat.

634
00:29:02,030 --> 00:29:03,630
Speaker 3: What kind of hat are you picturing?

635
00:29:03,770 --> 00:29:04,610
Speaker 1: Just a straw hat?

636
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:05,990
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm hello my baby.

637
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:08,190
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally right. That you can punch through the top

638
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:08,810
Speaker 1: if you want to.

639
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:12,290
Speaker 2: Or like a magician's like deep one where you put

640
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:13,970
Speaker 2: a little bunny, cute little bunny out of it.

641
00:29:14,050 --> 00:29:15,230
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where you put all your money.

642
00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:20,030
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of money and heists and magic, the story

643
00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:22,450
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you today is a 1980s London heist,

644
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: which at first baffled the police, but police get a

645
00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:28,950
Speaker 2: lucky break and they're introduced to an Italian thief, who

646
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:31,700
Speaker 2: bursts on the London scene and commits at least six

647
00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: armed robberies in just a couple of years. Yep. This

648
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,940
Speaker 2: is the story of the Knightsbridge security deposit heist. And

649
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: the main source for the story is an episode of

650
00:29:41,420 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: the show Britain's Biggest Heist. And the rest of the

651
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:48,470
Speaker 2: sources can be found in the show notes. It's July 12th, 1987.

652
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:51,870
Speaker 2: And we're in London's Knightsbridge neighborhood. Do you know it

653
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:52,250
Speaker 2: at all?

654
00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: I've heard of it.

655
00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, it's a very fancy neighborhood, southern edge of

656
00:29:55,910 --> 00:29:59,780
Speaker 2: Hyde Park, and it's home to the most famous department

657
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: store in the world, Harrods. It's also home to the

658
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,110
Speaker 2: less touristy but just as expensive and fashion-y Harvey Nichols.

659
00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:08,790
Speaker 2: This is a neighborhood where people are coming and going

660
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:10,730
Speaker 2: with a lot of money and very expensive clothes.

661
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: They used to always talk about Harvey Nichols on Absolutely Fabulous.

662
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: Oh, amazing. So it makes sense that right in the

663
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:20,180
Speaker 2: middle of this neighborhood is the Knightsbridge Security Deposit, a

664
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:24,290
Speaker 2: small office that houses 4,000 safe deposit boxes in a

665
00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:27,850
Speaker 2: secured central vault. Yay. We love safe deposit boxes.

666
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:29,130
Speaker 1: Mysteries.

667
00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:31,870
Speaker 2: These boxes are used by wealthy people who want to

668
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:34,630
Speaker 2: keep cash or jewelry in a safe place, but also

669
00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:38,730
Speaker 2: likely by drug dealers and money launderers. Anyone can have a—

670
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,020
Speaker 2: Do you.

671
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: Have a little secret in there?

672
00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: Exactly. Like, no one can look in them.

673
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: Sign up for a secret if you want to.

674
00:30:44,060 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: That's right.

675
00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:45,900
Speaker 1: You can put anything in there.

676
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,850
Speaker 2: I love the idea, though, of, like, leaving a key

677
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,990
Speaker 2: behind when you die and they go to find what's

678
00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:51,390
Speaker 2: in there.

679
00:30:51,410 --> 00:30:53,310
Speaker 1: Weird treasure from World War II.

680
00:30:53,330 --> 00:30:53,410
Speaker 2: Yeah.

681
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:54,870
Speaker 1: Hidden things.

682
00:30:54,910 --> 00:30:55,650
Speaker 2: G.U.L.s.

683
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:57,110
Speaker 1: Family secrets.

684
00:30:57,870 --> 00:30:59,910
Speaker 2: I think more people should fuck with people when they die.

685
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,820
Speaker 2: with their security deposit box.

686
00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:03,900
Speaker 3: They just like set a timer and take a picture

687
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,410
Speaker 3: of themselves sitting on a chair in an empty room.

688
00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:07,570
Speaker 1: It's like, where were they?

689
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:08,690
Speaker 2: Right. Or treasure map.

690
00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:09,070
Speaker 3: Okay.

691
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:11,510
Speaker 2: The bank is owned and managed by a man named

692
00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:16,229
Speaker 2: Parvez Latif. And on the afternoon of July 12th, he

693
00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:19,140
Speaker 2: has an appointment with a pair of potential customers who

694
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: want to tour the facilities to potentially rent a box.

695
00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: The facilities. The facilities. Here's a photo of Parvez. So

696
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,690
Speaker 2: he's the owner of This whole area. He reminds me

697
00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:30,110
Speaker 2: of Perfect Strangers.

698
00:31:30,650 --> 00:31:30,990
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

699
00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:31,810
Speaker 1: Bronson Pinchot.

700
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:32,610
Speaker 2: Bronson Pinchot.

701
00:31:32,730 --> 00:31:33,150
Speaker 1: Totally.

702
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:33,610
Speaker 3: Totally.

703
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:34,590
Speaker 2: So 80s, that hair.

704
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:37,300
Speaker 1: This is a cool guy. He went to Cambridge and

705
00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:38,950
Speaker 1: then you met him at the train station.

706
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: And like one button undone at the top, probably.

707
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: Let's go get an espresso.

708
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,890
Speaker 2: Definitely has like a gold necklace on. You can see it.

709
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:46,630
Speaker 1: It's down there.

710
00:31:46,670 --> 00:31:46,830
Speaker 3: Yeah.

711
00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:48,580
Speaker 1: And it's got the little Italian horn on it.

712
00:31:48,890 --> 00:31:49,390
Speaker 2: That's right.

713
00:31:50,550 --> 00:31:52,170
Speaker 1: I'll totally stop talking if you need me to.

714
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:52,990
Speaker 2: I really wish you wouldn't.

715
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: Okay. Stop.

716
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: Parvez is in his late 20s. He's very young to

717
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,700
Speaker 2: own such a high-profile business, and he had opened the

718
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: business just a year earlier. But guess what? He has

719
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,420
Speaker 2: wealthy parents. Presumably, they fronted him the money, or some

720
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: of the money, at least, to open the business.

721
00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:08,620
Speaker 3: Sorry.

722
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:08,740
Speaker 1: Sorry.

723
00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:12,370
Speaker 3: You can just open a security deposit box business. I

724
00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:14,470
Speaker 3: guess that's what you've been telling me for five minutes.

725
00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:16,390
Speaker 3: But like it just dawned on me. Right.

726
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:17,530
Speaker 2: It's not like owned by a bank.

727
00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:18,250
Speaker 1: Right.

728
00:32:18,270 --> 00:32:19,630
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be like in a bank.

729
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:20,990
Speaker 1: That's edgy.

730
00:32:21,050 --> 00:32:22,990
Speaker 2: It is weird. I guess I never like a P.O.

731
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: box business. You'd think that you'd have to have some

732
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,220
Speaker 2: sort of ties to the fucking U.S. post office. I think.

733
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:29,740
Speaker 2: But no.

734
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: Do you not?

735
00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: I guess. Well, I don't know about that. You must

736
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:33,660
Speaker 2: have to have some.

737
00:32:33,940 --> 00:32:36,780
Speaker 3: I want to see their contracts and their agreements. Certifications

738
00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:37,370
Speaker 3: and everything. Please.

739
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: Please. He went to night school to get his certification.

740
00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: Security deposit, which means I can.

741
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,170
Speaker 2: Yes, you can too. When the two potential clients arrive,

742
00:32:48,270 --> 00:32:51,370
Speaker 2: Parvez brings them downstairs to the basement where the vault is.

743
00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:53,050
Speaker 2: And as soon as they're inside the vault, one of

744
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:55,690
Speaker 2: those potential clients, who, as you might have guessed, has

745
00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:58,530
Speaker 2: actually no interest in renting a safe deposit box, he

746
00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:02,590
Speaker 2: pulls out a sawed-off shotgun and holds it to Parvez's back.

747
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:06,590
Speaker 2: The two thieves then take Parvez to the security control room.

748
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:09,650
Speaker 2: There's another guard there. They take him before he can

749
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:12,130
Speaker 2: trigger an alarm. And the thieves handcuff both men and

750
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:15,270
Speaker 2: lock them in the room outside the vault entrance. And

751
00:33:15,290 --> 00:33:17,870
Speaker 2: then there's one other remaining guard. They grab him, also

752
00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:20,250
Speaker 2: bring him down at gunpoint. So Parvez and the two

753
00:33:20,290 --> 00:33:23,170
Speaker 2: guards sit in the ante room, listening to banging coming

754
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:25,940
Speaker 2: from inside the vault. So this is what's funny to me,

755
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:28,140
Speaker 2: is they don't have a sophisticated plan to get, you know,

756
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: steal the keys to get into each They just start

757
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: smashing the shit out of them, like literally. The vault

758
00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:39,729
Speaker 2: is made of solid steel and houses 4,000 boxes, but

759
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:42,910
Speaker 2: only 800 are actually being used at the moment. The

760
00:33:42,990 --> 00:33:45,490
Speaker 2: three hostages hear the thieves make a few trips up

761
00:33:45,530 --> 00:33:47,650
Speaker 2: and down the stairs. They hear another person come in

762
00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:50,370
Speaker 2: and join the thieves. And so a supervisor is scheduled

763
00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:53,220
Speaker 2: to come in by about 5. The thieves grab him,

764
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,460
Speaker 2: hold him at gunpoint, put him with the rest of

765
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: the staff, and then the thieves flee.

766
00:33:57,980 --> 00:33:58,140
Speaker 1: Hmm.

767
00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:01,930
Speaker 2: The case is handled by the London Metropolitan.

768
00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:02,330
Speaker 3: What?

769
00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:03,290
Speaker 2: Metropolitan.

770
00:34:04,390 --> 00:34:05,230
Speaker 1: Metropolitan.

771
00:34:05,290 --> 00:34:05,850
Speaker 3: Jesus.

772
00:34:05,950 --> 00:34:08,930
Speaker 2: That was, can that be perimenopause? Could be.

773
00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:12,819
Speaker 1: Could be the pocket. It's the sachet in your cheek.

774
00:34:12,860 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what it is. The case is handled by

775
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:15,050
Speaker 2: the London.

776
00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: There's always another side.

777
00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:18,740
Speaker 2: I couldn't get the word metropolitan.

778
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:22,740
Speaker 1: That's the one drawback. They say it on the commercial.

779
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: What?

780
00:34:23,739 --> 00:34:25,299
Speaker 1: When you put the pouch in.

781
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,739
Speaker 2: Just know you'll never be able to say that. The

782
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:33,250
Speaker 2: Metropolitan Police's Flying Squad, which we've talked about before, so

783
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:36,770
Speaker 2: named because they fly from district to district as needed.

784
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:39,550
Speaker 2: From interviewing the staff and looking at the destroyed inside

785
00:34:39,590 --> 00:34:41,830
Speaker 2: of the vault, the investigators can tell that the thieves

786
00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:45,989
Speaker 2: smashed the boxes with something like a sledgehammer, loosened them.

787
00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:48,209
Speaker 2: That had to feel good. Loosen them from the wall,

788
00:34:48,390 --> 00:34:51,150
Speaker 2: pry them out, and then smash them open.

789
00:34:51,610 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: What about all the precious gems and things that would

790
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: be in there that if you smash it, like, I

791
00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:58,270
Speaker 1: think they smashed it open.

792
00:34:58,430 --> 00:35:00,370
Speaker 2: To get, yeah. Like, pried it open.

793
00:35:00,590 --> 00:35:01,590
Speaker 1: But my vase.

794
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:04,969
Speaker 2: That's on you, dude.

795
00:35:04,989 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: True.

796
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:06,340
Speaker 2: That's on you.

797
00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: Why did you put it in there? It doesn't even

798
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: fit in there.

799
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,380
Speaker 2: You didn't put any bubble wrap around it or nothing?

800
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:11,340
Speaker 2: Just threw it in.

801
00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:12,950
Speaker 1: I was on my way to the grocery store.

802
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:17,529
Speaker 2: And so they couldn't tell from different colored markings on

803
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: the locks which boxes were being used. It's kind of

804
00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:22,820
Speaker 2: suspicious that they already knew what to look for, right?

805
00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:25,940
Speaker 2: So they wasted no time with the 1,200 boxes that

806
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,299
Speaker 2: hadn't been in use. Of the 800 boxes that were

807
00:35:28,340 --> 00:35:32,620
Speaker 2: in use, the thieves broke into 121 boxes, but they

808
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,489
Speaker 2: did go for the largest ones first. Smart. Yeah, but

809
00:35:35,530 --> 00:35:37,770
Speaker 2: then also, I don't know, like when you go for

810
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:39,989
Speaker 2: your big presents, small presents, get the small ones.

811
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:40,590
Speaker 1: It's always a regret.

812
00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:41,049
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

813
00:35:41,469 --> 00:35:42,129
Speaker 1: That's so true.

814
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:44,390
Speaker 3: Yeah. Because it's always something weird, like a pair of

815
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:47,150
Speaker 3: boots or whatever. We're like, oh, that's not exciting.

816
00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:48,529
Speaker 2: It's like, trigger the eye. Okay.

817
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:49,810
Speaker 1: I'd say medium box.

818
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:50,630
Speaker 2: Medium box, too.

819
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:51,129
Speaker 3: Yeah.

820
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:54,630
Speaker 1: I just want film, unmarked film canister.

821
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:56,610
Speaker 2: With what?

822
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:59,050
Speaker 1: Mysteries, secrets.

823
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,219
Speaker 2: And you shall. I'm going to grant that to you.

824
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:03,739
Speaker 1: Thank you.

825
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: Tallying up all the losses from those 121 boxes is complicated,

826
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,570
Speaker 2: of course, because not all the victims... are going to

827
00:36:10,610 --> 00:36:13,850
Speaker 2: come forward, and we don't really know. There's no fucking

828
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:15,030
Speaker 2: sign-in sheet.

829
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: Especially the ones that are like, hey, you stole my stolen.

830
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: Porn and bad things.

831
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: Exactly.

832
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,259
Speaker 1: That's why it's in a safety deposit box.

833
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:23,500
Speaker 3: Right.

834
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,069
Speaker 2: People use safe deposit boxes as a way to hide assets,

835
00:36:26,090 --> 00:36:28,430
Speaker 2: either because they don't want tax authorities to know their

836
00:36:28,489 --> 00:36:31,410
Speaker 2: true net worth or because possibly what's in the box

837
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:33,870
Speaker 2: isn't legal for them to even own. So like a

838
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: gun or, you know, drugs and things. Ultimately, 12 of

839
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,180
Speaker 2: the 121 affected box owners are never found. 12 people

840
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,700
Speaker 2: are like, all good. I'm out.

841
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:45,750
Speaker 1: You can have it. You can keep it.

842
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,779
Speaker 2: Still, as the investigation proceeds, the tally of the value

843
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:51,509
Speaker 2: of stolen goods creeps up and up. And, you know,

844
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:54,330
Speaker 2: they don't have an exact amount, but it finally stands

845
00:36:54,489 --> 00:36:57,610
Speaker 2: at a staggering 60 million pounds.

846
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:59,770
Speaker 1: For just a couple boxes?

847
00:36:59,850 --> 00:37:00,250
Speaker 2: For the 121 boxes.

848
00:37:00,310 --> 00:37:00,469
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.

849
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,509
Speaker 2: But still. And that's what people are reporting. Because someone

850
00:37:05,530 --> 00:37:07,950
Speaker 2: would be like, oh, that necklace was totally worth a

851
00:37:07,989 --> 00:37:10,430
Speaker 2: hundred thousand pounds. But, you know, I'm sure a lot

852
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:12,210
Speaker 2: of stuff was insured.

853
00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:12,950
Speaker 1: Right.

854
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:13,670
Speaker 3: And then.

855
00:37:14,070 --> 00:37:16,780
Speaker 1: Or priceless beyond. Totally.

856
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:17,540
Speaker 3: Naming.

857
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,940
Speaker 2: Also, didn't we hear from someone, a listener, saying that

858
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: you can't put cash, or that's just probably in the States,

859
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,660
Speaker 2: you can't put cash in a safe deposit box? Oh,

860
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,660
Speaker 2: is that true? I remember hearing someone write in, write in, everyone,

861
00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:31,250
Speaker 2: about your safe deposit box experiences. We always want those.

862
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:33,850
Speaker 1: Bankers. Get involved in this show for once.

863
00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:37,870
Speaker 2: What did you see? So it's not clear what mix

864
00:37:37,989 --> 00:37:41,610
Speaker 2: of assets, cash, it could be precious stones, gold, securities

865
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:45,609
Speaker 2: made up this 60 million pounds. But in today's U.S. dollars,

866
00:37:46,489 --> 00:37:49,500
Speaker 2: it would be worth about... And you have to do

867
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: the conversion, too. So that's going to really throw you.

868
00:37:53,180 --> 00:37:54,620
Speaker 3: Can you just give me a hint? Are they usually

869
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,180
Speaker 3: above us or less than? This number is way above us.

870
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.

871
00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:01,910
Speaker 3: Then should I just go for 110 million pounds?

872
00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:03,910
Speaker 2: 289 million. You had the right idea, but yes.

873
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:05,589
Speaker 1: But just not high enough.

874
00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:05,970
Speaker 3: Yeah.

875
00:38:05,969 --> 00:38:06,290
Speaker 1: $ 289 million.

876
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:06,569
Speaker 3: $ 289 million.

877
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,460
Speaker 2: At the time of the investigation, though, the total is

878
00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:13,700
Speaker 2: thought to be closer to 40 million pounds. And in court,

879
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: it's put at between 2 and 20 million pounds. There's

880
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:18,540
Speaker 2: just no way to know. But even with the, like,

881
00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:23,020
Speaker 2: low estimate, it makes the theft the largest in U.K. history. Wow.

882
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,779
Speaker 3: Right. I'm so jealous of after they got away from

883
00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:29,420
Speaker 3: that safety deposit store.

884
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: Oh, just sitting on the ground, crisscross applesauce.

885
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,450
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's like, did they rent a really nice

886
00:38:34,489 --> 00:38:35,070
Speaker 1: hotel room?

887
00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:35,170
Speaker 2: Yeah.

888
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,860
Speaker 3: But no, because they would see all those 100 security departments.

889
00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: No, they didn't steal the boxes. They cracked them open.

890
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: And took the stuff.

891
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:42,980
Speaker 2: And just, you know.

892
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,260
Speaker 1: So they went in with all their duffel bags, Jason

893
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: Statham style. I love that we both have the same.

894
00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: For you listening at home and not watching on Netflix,

895
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,260
Speaker 2: Karen and I just threw both at the same time

896
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,090
Speaker 2: imaginary bundles of fucking treasure over our shoulders.

897
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:58,750
Speaker 1: But then like dump it on a thing and then

898
00:38:58,790 --> 00:39:00,489
Speaker 1: just start going, what did we get?

899
00:39:00,530 --> 00:39:02,950
Speaker 2: Have you seen the, on Instagram, I'm sure it's on

900
00:39:02,989 --> 00:39:05,570
Speaker 2: TikTok too, there's like a chick who like, gets a

901
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:07,549
Speaker 2: bag full of silver things that are about to be

902
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:10,989
Speaker 2: melted down for like, you know, silver production. And it's

903
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:13,339
Speaker 2: all these antique things. And it's almost like she's doing

904
00:39:13,460 --> 00:39:16,620
Speaker 2: treasure hunting at the junk shop. She can buy a

905
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,100
Speaker 2: bag of silver and it's all these little like antique lighters,

906
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,330
Speaker 2: old spoons, old like pieces of jewelry.

907
00:39:24,969 --> 00:39:25,550
Speaker 3: Just treasure.

908
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:27,190
Speaker 1: Why do we have to melt it down?

909
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:29,370
Speaker 2: Because you need to make more, I guess.

910
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:29,670
Speaker 3: I don't know.

911
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:31,710
Speaker 2: They melt the shit down all the time. The gold

912
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:32,210
Speaker 2: and the silver.

913
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:33,310
Speaker 1: That's weird.

914
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:35,370
Speaker 2: Send it to us. It's safe here.

915
00:39:35,469 --> 00:39:37,010
Speaker 1: At myfavoritemurderergmail.com.

916
00:39:37,170 --> 00:39:37,730
Speaker 2: It's safe.

917
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:41,969
Speaker 3: Send your safety deposit boxes.

918
00:39:42,110 --> 00:39:44,390
Speaker 2: Put the phone number at the bottom of the screen.

919
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: I'm just reflecting and talking about the extreme greed in

920
00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:51,489
Speaker 3: me because there is this like It's that idea of, like,

921
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: it feels like Antiques Roadshow times a thousand.

922
00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's free, though, because I don't

923
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:56,779
Speaker 2: even need to keep it.

924
00:39:57,060 --> 00:39:59,180
Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. I just want to see it. Yeah,

925
00:39:59,219 --> 00:40:00,219
Speaker 1: I just want to see what it is.

926
00:40:00,219 --> 00:40:01,980
Speaker 2: Keep one or two pieces that are special.

927
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: Stick a ruby in my pocket?

928
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: Sure.

929
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: Right. But otherwise, I just want to look at it

930
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: and read the letters.

931
00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:08,580
Speaker 1: And know the secrets. Yeah.

932
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,010
Speaker 2: Yes. We're on the same page. Okay, great.

933
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:13,410
Speaker 3: I'm so glad we're not disagreeing about this.

934
00:40:13,530 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: In The Irish Independent, Brian Campbell writes, quote, As well

935
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: as cash and diamonds, there were priceless pictures, antiques, heroin

936
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: and cocaine. Yeah. Then he says actor George Hamilton lost

937
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,190
Speaker 2: 38,000 pounds from his box. What's Hamilton doing with all

938
00:40:29,230 --> 00:40:29,890
Speaker 2: that money in there?

939
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:32,140
Speaker 1: It's all suntan, like self-tanner.

940
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: And then still in the quote, while a member of

941
00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:37,100
Speaker 2: the Saudi royal family lost gems and cash worth a

942
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,589
Speaker 2: quarter of a million. Imagine being that wealthy. You must

943
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:42,910
Speaker 2: have many safe deposit boxes as a way to like

944
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:43,790
Speaker 2: spread it out.

945
00:40:44,010 --> 00:40:45,110
Speaker 1: And little hidey holes.

946
00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:45,730
Speaker 2: Totally.

947
00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:46,270
Speaker 1: That's right.

948
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:48,890
Speaker 3: Every time you take a trip, you're like. Well, we're

949
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:50,989
Speaker 3: here to see Hamilton, but I guess I'll go stick

950
00:40:51,010 --> 00:40:52,500
Speaker 3: some of my riches into a safe deposit box.

951
00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:55,989
Speaker 2: George Hamilton? Email us and let us know how this

952
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: affected you. What was in your safe deposit box? This

953
00:40:58,500 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: is our only chance.

954
00:40:59,380 --> 00:41:02,100
Speaker 3: Yes, please, George Hamilton. I've watched you on television since

955
00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:04,980
Speaker 3: I was five years old. I've always been a fan,

956
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:08,259
Speaker 3: although I'm not a tan person. I support you and

957
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: your white suits and your tan skin.

958
00:41:09,820 --> 00:41:12,010
Speaker 2: Looks great. So handsome.

959
00:41:12,190 --> 00:41:14,850
Speaker 3: Truly of a time. Please tell us what is in

960
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:16,930
Speaker 3: your security box. There's got to be a great niece

961
00:41:16,989 --> 00:41:19,010
Speaker 3: murdering out. George Hamilton.

962
00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:20,450
Speaker 1: I feel like we got him everywhere.

963
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:22,219
Speaker 2: Michelle, tell your uncle.

964
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: Mackenzie, get in there and tell him.

965
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 2: Tell your great uncle.

966
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: Trust me, these girls need to know.

967
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: Thank you. My favorite murder at Gmail. Or just call us.

968
00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:36,010
Speaker 2: Still in the quote. The family of jewelry magnate. Algernon

969
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,430
Speaker 2: Asprey lost a million and a Greek shipping tycoon lost

970
00:41:39,489 --> 00:41:45,870
Speaker 2: his precious rubies and diamonds. Russian actress Lyudmila Romanova claimed

971
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: her paper proving her descent from the Tsar had gone missing.

972
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:50,969
Speaker 2: Mine too.

973
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: Same.

974
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: Same.

975
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,140
Speaker 3: I was just trying to get a table and my certificate.

976
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: Because they give out certificates?

977
00:41:58,540 --> 00:41:59,900
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.

978
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I guess birth certificates.

979
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 3: Oh, right.

980
00:42:01,860 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: That would make sense.

981
00:42:03,140 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: Not high school.

982
00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:06,450
Speaker 2: Not something like the czar sign.

983
00:42:06,469 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: Ludmilla, you're in.

984
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: Checkmate. Am I related to you? Check yes, no, maybe.

985
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:15,739
Speaker 2: What's the date today? I have to date this. Oh,

986
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: you weren't asking.

987
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: That's how good the acting is.

988
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: That was great.

989
00:42:19,340 --> 00:42:20,509
Speaker 1: I drop into reality.

990
00:42:21,070 --> 00:42:22,850
Speaker 2: There are some rumors that we're out of the quote.

991
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 2: There are some rules that royals are among the victims,

992
00:42:25,780 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: including rumors of Prince Charles and Princess Diana being among

993
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:30,610
Speaker 2: the victims. But again, this place has only been in

994
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:32,830
Speaker 2: business for a year, so it's hard to tell. The

995
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:35,430
Speaker 2: examination of the crime scene takes eight days, but there's

996
00:42:35,469 --> 00:42:37,710
Speaker 2: a stroke of luck. It looks like one of the thieves,

997
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: while he was fucking hacking at those, had steel and shit,

998
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:44,980
Speaker 2: must have smashed his hand. And so there's a bloody

999
00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:48,339
Speaker 2: fingerprint left at the scene. And this is the one

1000
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:50,980
Speaker 2: thing it gives it all away. You are fucked.

1001
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:53,060
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for those meddling kids, I would have

1002
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: gotten away with it. Kind of great.

1003
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,189
Speaker 3: That's like, how about you're more delicate next time with

1004
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:59,189
Speaker 3: the safety deposit boxes?

1005
00:42:59,210 --> 00:43:01,670
Speaker 2: Kind of on you. So there are databases of fingerprints,

1006
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:04,590
Speaker 2: of course, but there's no automated system to compare them.

1007
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:07,569
Speaker 2: So basically this print has to be visually compared. The

1008
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:10,310
Speaker 2: fact that they had to do that way back when is... Bananas.

1009
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:10,790
Speaker 3: Wild.

1010
00:43:11,090 --> 00:43:14,989
Speaker 2: And eventually they find a hit off the Interpol fingerprint database.

1011
00:43:15,140 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: The print belongs to a 34-year-old man named Valerio Vichai.

1012
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,130
Speaker 2: Super Italian. You love him. He's wanted for several major

1013
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:27,089
Speaker 2: crimes in Italy. Take a look.

1014
00:43:27,469 --> 00:43:27,910
Speaker 1: Valerio.

1015
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,580
Speaker 2: If he didn't have the unibrow, would you?

1016
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: That's literally exactly what my eyebrows look like in sixth grade, A. B, yes.

1017
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,340
Speaker 3: Look at that head of hair. And also, this is

1018
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:44,180
Speaker 3: going to be one of the most withholding yet bossy

1019
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,899
Speaker 3: and in-your-life men.

1020
00:43:46,140 --> 00:43:48,060
Speaker 1: It's quite a combination.

1021
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: He knows where to, like, drop a nice good girl

1022
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: every now and then.

1023
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: You know what it is?

1024
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,450
Speaker 2: Even though you're a fucking feminist.

1025
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:53,989
Speaker 1: He's like.

1026
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,420
Speaker 3: He loves a feminist. He loves a bossy lady. He

1027
00:43:57,460 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 3: loves people that remind him of his mother. And he's like,

1028
00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:04,270
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go around robbing individual people. I'm

1029
00:44:04,310 --> 00:44:06,190
Speaker 3: just going to save it up, make a plan, and

1030
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:08,430
Speaker 3: then smash a bunch of shit at the safety deposit

1031
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:08,910
Speaker 3: box store.

1032
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:10,990
Speaker 2: This guy, he's your, like, bad boy.

1033
00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:11,630
Speaker 3: He is.

1034
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: So he'd been born to well-to-do parents in Italy. His

1035
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: father's a lawyer. His mother owns a boutique.

1036
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:17,660
Speaker 3: What?

1037
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: Just that he's rich.

1038
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's rich. He'd gone to university in Rome and

1039
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,630
Speaker 2: studied philosophy. Wow. But had fallen in with a neo-fascist gang.

1040
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:27,810
Speaker 3: Oh. Bro.

1041
00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:30,290
Speaker 2: And this had eventually segued into a life of crime.

1042
00:44:30,310 --> 00:44:33,350
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like there's any political motive. That was

1043
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:37,810
Speaker 2: just a fleeting fancy. You know, falling into fascism is much,

1044
00:44:37,870 --> 00:44:38,710
Speaker 2: much easier.

1045
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:41,049
Speaker 1: Than a lot of people think. It's happened a lot.

1046
00:44:41,219 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: Is this your, like, warning to everybody?

1047
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:43,290
Speaker 3: To you. To you.

1048
00:44:44,330 --> 00:44:47,090
Speaker 2: He'd been convicted of at least 15 robberies in Italy,

1049
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 2: but had fled the country. And he's known for being

1050
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 2: a playboy, of course. He dresses flashily. He's into flashy cars.

1051
00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:57,460
Speaker 2: And he's also known for being a womanizer. But you

1052
00:44:57,500 --> 00:44:59,100
Speaker 2: could change him, I bet. I will.

1053
00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:02,470
Speaker 3: Once I get my hands on his safety deposit boxes,

1054
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:03,549
Speaker 3: I'm just using him.

1055
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:05,969
Speaker 1: That's how you tame the wild beast.

1056
00:45:05,989 --> 00:45:10,310
Speaker 2: There is a character in this. Oh, yes. The Independent's

1057
00:45:10,469 --> 00:45:14,069
Speaker 2: James Dalrymple writes, quote, the Italian master criminal was an

1058
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:19,540
Speaker 2: inept blunderer. A man almost always under the influence of cocaine.

1059
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: He was wanted for at least 57 major crimes throughout

1060
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,900
Speaker 2: Europe and would later admit to five armed robberies in

1061
00:45:26,020 --> 00:45:28,140
Speaker 2: England prior to the Knightsbridge job.

1062
00:45:28,219 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: How's he the blunderer if he's getting away with 50 robberies?

1063
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,129
Speaker 2: If they know he did it, he's not getting away

1064
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:33,469
Speaker 2: with it.

1065
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:36,609
Speaker 1: Well, they're not arresting him. Leave him alone.

1066
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:40,570
Speaker 2: Would you stop defending this neo-fascist philosophy?

1067
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:41,630
Speaker 1: Let me romance.

1068
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:45,860
Speaker 2: Rich guy? So once the police know Valerio is involved,

1069
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,060
Speaker 2: they can put together a list of known associates. And

1070
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: at the same time, they start tracking down a white

1071
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,060
Speaker 2: getaway van. They learn that over the course of the heist,

1072
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: the thieves had put up a sign on the security

1073
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,980
Speaker 2: deposit's front door saying that the business had to close unexpectedly.

1074
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: That's all it takes.

1075
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: Due to heist.

1076
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 2: Back from lunch at noon or whatever.

1077
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:06,330
Speaker 1: Heist over at 2 p.m.

1078
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:09,550
Speaker 2: They also learned that at least some of the thieves

1079
00:46:09,590 --> 00:46:11,750
Speaker 2: had worn some kind of maintenance uniform in order to

1080
00:46:11,790 --> 00:46:14,610
Speaker 2: look like workmen. Always carry a ladder with you. You

1081
00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:16,569
Speaker 2: can get in anywhere. We always say that.

1082
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:21,260
Speaker 3: A nice 12-foot ladder gets you anywhere. Investigators figure out that.

1083
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:24,690
Speaker 2: The three accomplices who were on the scene with Valerio

1084
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:30,129
Speaker 2: are David Poole, Stephen Mann, and Peter O'Donohue. The only

1085
00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:32,170
Speaker 2: one who looks like someone that I would cast is

1086
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:32,950
Speaker 2: Stephen Mann.

1087
00:46:33,330 --> 00:46:33,890
Speaker 1: Stephen Mann?

1088
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:35,549
Speaker 2: Guess who he is. Who is that?

1089
00:46:35,989 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: It's the guy from The Bear.

1090
00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:42,020
Speaker 2: It's Eton. Who's also Vince. Evan Moss-Backrack from Girls and

1091
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,980
Speaker 2: from The Bear. It's so uncanny.

1092
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:44,219
Speaker 3: It's.

1093
00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:45,540
Speaker 1: So good. Yeah.

1094
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,430
Speaker 2: Like has the sleepy look.

1095
00:46:47,739 --> 00:46:47,969
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1096
00:46:48,110 --> 00:46:49,149
Speaker 2: And then there's two other dudes.

1097
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:49,390
Speaker 3: Okay.

1098
00:46:49,410 --> 00:46:52,029
Speaker 2: So here's David Poole. Let's see who would play him.

1099
00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:52,910
Speaker 3: Oh.

1100
00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:55,250
Speaker 2: I have no idea. That just looks like such a classic.

1101
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:56,810
Speaker 1: Giamatti. You're not going to.

1102
00:46:56,969 --> 00:46:57,970
Speaker 3: Oh, Giamatti.

1103
00:46:58,050 --> 00:46:58,609
Speaker 1: I mean, come on.

1104
00:46:58,650 --> 00:47:03,930
Speaker 2: Definitely. Definitely Giamatti. And then we've got Peter O'Donoghue. Oh,

1105
00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:06,890
Speaker 2: so he's in like flock of fucking seagulls or some shit.

1106
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:09,779
Speaker 3: Peter O'Donohue, it's like your weird arty cousin where you're like,

1107
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,259
Speaker 3: can you just wear a normal shirt?

1108
00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: There's going to be people there that I know.

1109
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 2: Like that hair, you cut it to go that way?

1110
00:47:15,940 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: Or is it just the 80s, like blow it that way?

1111
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: Well, and also just kind of like if we're trying

1112
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 3: to rob this security, it's a safe deposit box store.

1113
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: How about we're low key this time? And then you

1114
00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: can do your hair expressions later on at the club.

1115
00:47:30,070 --> 00:47:31,610
Speaker 3: Save it for the club, Peter.

1116
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:34,130
Speaker 2: Okay. So all of them are known to Scotland Yard,

1117
00:47:34,270 --> 00:47:35,890
Speaker 2: but none of them are part of the regular circle

1118
00:47:35,950 --> 00:47:38,500
Speaker 2: of thieves that usually carry out the most daring and

1119
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,860
Speaker 2: skillful heists. Like, this is ragtag. In the weeks following

1120
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,900
Speaker 2: the heist, these three are all still going to their

1121
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:46,830
Speaker 2: regular bars and clubs. Oh, God, take me there in

1122
00:47:46,850 --> 00:47:52,529
Speaker 2: the 80s. Well, Valerio seems to be gone. But a

1123
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:55,700
Speaker 2: month passes. And in that time, investigators find out that

1124
00:47:55,780 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: immediately after the robbery, Valerio had bought a black Ferrari Testarossa.

1125
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: Yes.

1126
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: Your favorite.

1127
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:04,980
Speaker 1: Immediately buy a Ferrari if you rob somebody. It's such

1128
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:05,500
Speaker 1: a good idea.

1129
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: So low key.

1130
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:08,020
Speaker 1: It's exactly what you should do.

1131
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,670
Speaker 2: But again, someone else's money. You buy a Ferrari Testarossa

1132
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:12,629
Speaker 2: with someone else's money.

1133
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:14,689
Speaker 3: I think there's a vibe to it, too, of like,

1134
00:48:14,750 --> 00:48:17,730
Speaker 3: get this off my hands. It's like hot and crazy.

1135
00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:20,790
Speaker 3: So just like I needed to immediately transfer to why

1136
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: I did this, which.

1137
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,660
Speaker 1: Is to have this car.

1138
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:22,939
Speaker 3: Yes.

1139
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,940
Speaker 2: But they can't seem to actually find Valerio or the car.

1140
00:48:26,060 --> 00:48:28,860
Speaker 2: They believe he had left the country with a woman,

1141
00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:33,219
Speaker 2: don't get jealous, named Pamela Seamarks. So this woman comes

1142
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:36,629
Speaker 2: into the picture. Now, there is like no information about

1143
00:48:36,690 --> 00:48:39,210
Speaker 2: her online here. And the photos aren't great either. But

1144
00:48:39,610 --> 00:48:40,980
Speaker 2: She's fucking gorgeous.

1145
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,219
Speaker 1: Pamela.

1146
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: She's like, oops.

1147
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:45,220
Speaker 1: She's got LA looks hair.

1148
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,739
Speaker 2: Doesn't she look like a California girl who just like

1149
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,220
Speaker 2: got tangled up with the wrong guy?

1150
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,140
Speaker 1: She was like, I was on my semester abroad.

1151
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:53,540
Speaker 3: Yes.

1152
00:48:53,940 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: And I left my crimping iron at home. My mistake.

1153
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 3: And that left me exposed to the elements and an

1154
00:49:00,210 --> 00:49:01,230
Speaker 3: Italian like him.

1155
00:49:01,350 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: She's got an oops on her face so hard. So

1156
00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:07,009
Speaker 2: it looks like the two of them flew to Israel

1157
00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:09,790
Speaker 2: to sell some of the stolen goods to an established fence.

1158
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:13,170
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I will stop talking after this.

1159
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:13,890
Speaker 2: Don't stop.

1160
00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:17,790
Speaker 3: Them flying to Israel makes me go, did they find

1161
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:20,700
Speaker 3: World War II documents? Right?

1162
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: That's the thing I'm obsessed with?

1163
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even think about that.

1164
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:26,060
Speaker 1: Taking it back to, like, this is supposed to be yours?

1165
00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.

1166
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: And here's proof. That would make them the good guys.

1167
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: I know. What if they're the bad good guys? My

1168
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:33,900
Speaker 1: favorite thing.

1169
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

1170
00:49:34,780 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: Bad guy, good guy.

1171
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that. Mm-hmm. Or it's just

1172
00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:38,339
Speaker 2: corrupt there.

1173
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: Or it's an easy place to sell stuff. We don't know.

1174
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: And then they plan to go to Colombia to set

1175
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: up a brand new life. So police know that prior

1176
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:53,820
Speaker 2: to the robbery, Valerio had been staying at this hotel.

1177
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist anymore, unfortunately. I definitely looked it up.

1178
00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:59,460
Speaker 2: It's now called Thistle Hyde Park Hotel. So shout out.

1179
00:49:59,520 --> 00:49:59,770
Speaker 3: But....

1180
00:50:01,170 --> 00:50:03,910
Speaker 2: It's across the park from Knightsbridge. So it's like clear

1181
00:50:04,170 --> 00:50:06,379
Speaker 2: he fucking did it. Yeah. And they keep dropping by

1182
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:09,540
Speaker 2: this hotel for about a month after the robbery, hoping

1183
00:50:09,739 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: that Valerio will check back in. Then they find out

1184
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,740
Speaker 2: that the Ferrari has been spotted in the area.

1185
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: They drove it to Israel.

1186
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: They drove to Israel and drove back. But investigators have

1187
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: learned another very important detail in the intervening months. While

1188
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:26,300
Speaker 2: they're monitoring Valerio, they pull phone records, his phone records.

1189
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,669
Speaker 2: And they realize that the fence in Israel... A man

1190
00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:33,860
Speaker 2: named Israel Pincus had placed several phone calls from his

1191
00:50:33,989 --> 00:50:38,020
Speaker 2: office directly to the security center in the weeks after

1192
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:43,140
Speaker 2: the robbery. So it's looking very much like our original victim,

1193
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 2: the guy who owns the security deposit box store or whatever,

1194
00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: maybe has something to do with it. And maybe was

1195
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: in on it the whole time.

1196
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: Inside job.

1197
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,980
Speaker 2: It's an inside job. His plan had been to get

1198
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: an insurance payout and to get a cut of the

1199
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:58,820
Speaker 2: stolen goods.

1200
00:50:59,570 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: That's why he opened the whole safety deposit box store

1201
00:51:02,219 --> 00:51:02,910
Speaker 3: in the first place?

1202
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: Probably. And then also, like, them knowing what color to

1203
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,739
Speaker 2: look for that had the boxes that had, like, stuff

1204
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: in it.

1205
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:10,980
Speaker 1: He went through and.

1206
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1207
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,020
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

1208
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:14,940
Speaker 1: Well, that's in no way in the spirit of safety

1209
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,780
Speaker 1: deposit boxes.

1210
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:16,060
Speaker 3: No.

1211
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,430
Speaker 1: You can't... You're the holder of the trust of those people.

1212
00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:23,950
Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. I hope he hears me. Investigators had also

1213
00:51:23,989 --> 00:51:28,540
Speaker 2: learned that our girl Pamela Seamarks, who is dating... Our

1214
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:33,620
Speaker 2: richy rich bank robber Valerio had previously been dating Parvez,

1215
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,460
Speaker 2: the guy who owns the shop.

1216
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,060
Speaker 3: Oh, my.

1217
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,950
Speaker 2: Sometime around the time of the robbery, she had started

1218
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:46,149
Speaker 2: dating Valerio instead. And it seems like she met. Through, like,

1219
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:48,230
Speaker 2: just dropped one for the other. Yeah.

1220
00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:48,890
Speaker 3: You know?

1221
00:51:48,910 --> 00:51:51,370
Speaker 2: I just want more information. And there isn't any. Like,

1222
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:52,730
Speaker 2: that love triangle.

1223
00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:52,820
Speaker 3: Yes.

1224
00:51:52,989 --> 00:51:55,670
Speaker 2: And then, like, put their in on this fucking heist together.

1225
00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:59,549
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. How long was the breakup between?

1226
00:51:59,670 --> 00:52:01,930
Speaker 2: There wasn't. I don't think there was a breakup. Like,

1227
00:52:02,110 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 2: there was no between.

1228
00:52:03,739 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: One to the other?

1229
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:06,180
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, dump this guy.

1230
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,339
Speaker 3: What if it was something beautiful where it was like,

1231
00:52:08,739 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: Valeria was like.

1232
00:52:09,620 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: You know what?

1233
00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: Go.

1234
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,540
Speaker 1: You're meant for him.

1235
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1236
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,460
Speaker 1: Or vice versa.

1237
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,969
Speaker 2: You know how men always do. Yeah. You know how

1238
00:52:15,989 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: Matt always thinks fucking rationally and straight.

1239
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: And for others.

1240
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,700
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they believe that Valerio and Pamela had returned

1241
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,299
Speaker 2: to London real quick on their way to Columbia to

1242
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,950
Speaker 2: get the Ferrari to ship it to Columbia. One last stop,

1243
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:31,450
Speaker 2: you know?

1244
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:37,169
Speaker 3: Like they don't have fucking fancy sports cars in Columbia. Yeah.

1245
00:52:38,469 --> 00:52:39,910
Speaker 1: Yeah. Why would they have any there?

1246
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:41,730
Speaker 2: And like send someone else to do it then. You

1247
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:43,930
Speaker 2: have so much money to send someone else to do it.

1248
00:52:43,950 --> 00:52:44,020
Speaker 3: Yes.

1249
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:48,049
Speaker 2: On August 11th, investigators see Valerio leaving the hotel and

1250
00:52:48,090 --> 00:52:50,870
Speaker 2: getting into the Ferrari, the fucking Ferrari that everyone knows about.

1251
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:53,300
Speaker 2: And they follow him along the northern boundary of Hyde

1252
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: Park to Marble Arch, where police then surround the car

1253
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,779
Speaker 2: and order him out. Inside the Ferrari, police find close

1254
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: to two million pounds in cash and jewelry. Send it along.

1255
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: Put it in a.

1256
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,380
Speaker 1: Nice cardboard box and ship it.

1257
00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:10,890
Speaker 2: As well as plane tickets. It's the whole thing. Some

1258
00:53:10,910 --> 00:53:13,649
Speaker 2: of the jewelry had been specifically reported missing after the heist.

1259
00:53:13,710 --> 00:53:16,129
Speaker 2: So he's got the fucking hot goods on him.

1260
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:16,969
Speaker 1: Hot goods on him.

1261
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:20,589
Speaker 2: Bro. At first under questioning, Valerio admits to the robbery

1262
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,020
Speaker 2: and actually admits to five other robberies in London in

1263
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,299
Speaker 2: the couple of years that he's been in the country.

1264
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,620
Speaker 1: We don't want to know. Piano, piano.

1265
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:28,859
Speaker 2: We don't even want to know. But refuses to name

1266
00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:33,340
Speaker 2: any accomplices. Oh. According to some tellings of the story,

1267
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,330
Speaker 2: police then tell Valerio that they will assume Pamela, his

1268
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:41,110
Speaker 2: fucking girlfriend, had been the main accomplice and will charge

1269
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:43,130
Speaker 2: her if he doesn't give everyone else up.

1270
00:53:43,410 --> 00:53:45,010
Speaker 1: Threatening the woman he loves.

1271
00:53:45,110 --> 00:53:46,110
Speaker 2: Yep. And it works.

1272
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:48,150
Speaker 1: This is a Hallmark movie.

1273
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:51,790
Speaker 2: I know. Hallmark? Yeah. This gets Valerio to talk and

1274
00:53:51,810 --> 00:53:54,259
Speaker 2: the whole story comes out. According to other tellings of

1275
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: the story, one of Valerio's associates who helped with the robbery,

1276
00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: Stephen Mann... had cracked under interrogation and also gave up

1277
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,180
Speaker 2: everyone else, including Parvez, the guy who owns the shop.

1278
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:05,700
Speaker 1: Was Stephen Mann the one with the haircut?

1279
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:07,980
Speaker 2: No, that was Peter. Stephen Mann is.

1280
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: From the bear.

1281
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the bear. Got it. He gives everyone up.

1282
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: Maybe he's got like a monologue and then, you know.

1283
00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:16,180
Speaker 1: They're screaming, they're smoking. It's going to be amazing.

1284
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: So the story comes together like this. Valerio had met

1285
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 2: Parvez months before the robbery and had actually become a

1286
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,930
Speaker 2: client using one of the safe deposit boxes himself. Parvez

1287
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:28,950
Speaker 2: had allowed him to rent the box without actually putting

1288
00:54:28,989 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: his name on the registry or showing ID. And he

1289
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: had then over time learned that the security cameras at

1290
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: the building didn't work. And Parvez was generally lax about

1291
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:42,500
Speaker 2: the rules that other criminals like and that other criminals

1292
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:45,779
Speaker 2: likely left their spoils in the deposit box. So he

1293
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,810
Speaker 2: was chill with thieves and criminals. And so they put

1294
00:54:49,830 --> 00:54:51,630
Speaker 2: their shit in there. And then a thief and criminal

1295
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:53,629
Speaker 2: came and took all the thieves and criminal stuff. That's

1296
00:54:53,770 --> 00:54:54,550
Speaker 2: a dangerous game.

1297
00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:58,290
Speaker 3: You can't be loosey-goosey with the safety deposit boxes.

1298
00:54:58,469 --> 00:55:01,380
Speaker 1: That's why we keep them at banks and don't go indie.

1299
00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: Right.

1300
00:55:01,780 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: And shockingly, Parvez was struggling to keep the business afloat,

1301
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: despite his business plan and business model.

1302
00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: What if you leave your business card in the phone booth?

1303
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:11,790
Speaker 1: Maybe that would help.

1304
00:55:12,469 --> 00:55:14,910
Speaker 2: Over time, he figures out that Parvez would be amiable

1305
00:55:14,969 --> 00:55:17,130
Speaker 2: to the scheme and convinces him to be involved. It

1306
00:55:17,170 --> 00:55:20,610
Speaker 2: seems like both Parvez and Valerio were party-loving guys in

1307
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:23,390
Speaker 2: their 30s who had wealthy parents, so it's possible. You

1308
00:55:23,410 --> 00:55:24,170
Speaker 2: saw the haircut?

1309
00:55:24,190 --> 00:55:25,270
Speaker 1: You saw what they were doing?

1310
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:28,209
Speaker 2: It's possible they ran in connected circles, and at some

1311
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:33,010
Speaker 2: point along the way, Valerio meets Pamela and steals her away. Fuck.

1312
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:34,969
Speaker 1: They're old friends.

1313
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:35,610
Speaker 3: Maybe.

1314
00:55:35,989 --> 00:55:36,489
Speaker 1: Maybe.

1315
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:38,969
Speaker 2: Depends on how you write it. During the space of

1316
00:55:38,989 --> 00:55:41,570
Speaker 2: the investigation, police learned that many things had gone wrong

1317
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:44,029
Speaker 2: on the day of the robbery. There were issues with

1318
00:55:44,050 --> 00:55:47,509
Speaker 2: the radio communication and with where the various getaway cars

1319
00:55:47,550 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: had been parked. Can you imagine walking out with— fuck, man!

1320
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:55,540
Speaker 1: Walking out with an orange cone. This is our— this is

1321
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,220
Speaker 1: our— tell me back. It's a— It's a big Ferrari.

1322
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,900
Speaker 2: This case, this bag I'm having on my shoulder, nothing.

1323
00:56:02,260 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: Down the block. It's just cats.

1324
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: Three more blocks. Come on.

1325
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,930
Speaker 2: At one point, unable to communicate with the man posted

1326
00:56:07,969 --> 00:56:10,370
Speaker 2: outside the building, Valeria had emerged from the building and

1327
00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:13,229
Speaker 2: had run straight into several police officers who were looking

1328
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:16,029
Speaker 2: for a missing child and just moved on.

1329
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: She screamed and screamed.

1330
00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:21,770
Speaker 2: She's in the bag. Investigators learn one more piece of

1331
00:56:21,810 --> 00:56:24,989
Speaker 2: information that never seems to be totally verified. It seems

1332
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:28,430
Speaker 2: that Valerio's father, the lawyer, had been in London at

1333
00:56:28,469 --> 00:56:30,210
Speaker 2: the time of the robbery, and some believe he knew

1334
00:56:30,270 --> 00:56:31,370
Speaker 2: about it, but there's no way to know.

1335
00:56:32,010 --> 00:56:34,650
Speaker 3: You wouldn't pull your dad in. It'd be stupid. If

1336
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:37,350
Speaker 3: your dad's a lawyer— I mean, you might pull Marty in, but— Yeah,

1337
00:56:37,450 --> 00:56:41,029
Speaker 3: my dad, yes. Your rich lawyer Italian dad, no. He

1338
00:56:41,070 --> 00:56:43,260
Speaker 3: wants nothing to do with your shenanigans. You've been embarrassing

1339
00:56:43,300 --> 00:56:44,490
Speaker 3: the family for years.

1340
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:47,110
Speaker 1: For real. He's told you time and again.

1341
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:47,370
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1342
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 2: Look at your brother. He's thriving. Why can't you be

1343
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:50,469
Speaker 2: like your brother?

1344
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:52,259
Speaker 3: So sorry. You're telling me that I loaned you that

1345
00:56:52,300 --> 00:56:54,740
Speaker 3: money so you could open a safety deposit box.

1346
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,299
Speaker 1: Store and it was insincere? You didn't really care? How

1347
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: dare you? That wasn't your dream?

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Speaker 2: You know how seriously this family takes safe deposit boxes. Okay.

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00:57:02,140 --> 00:57:03,690
Speaker 2: So the case goes to trial around the end of

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00:57:03,690 --> 00:57:07,350
Speaker 2: 1988 and everyone is found guilty. Valerio is given the

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00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:11,630
Speaker 2: harshest sentence at 22 years. Parvez is sentenced to 18 years.

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00:57:11,710 --> 00:57:14,890
Speaker 2: The associates are all sentenced to around 10 years. Pamela

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00:57:14,910 --> 00:57:18,330
Speaker 2: Seamarks is given an 18-month suspended sentence for her knowledge

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00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:21,250
Speaker 2: of the robbery. Poor girl. Valeria, I don't know why

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00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:22,070
Speaker 2: I want her to be the hero.

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00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:26,010
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's just kind of the hangout. She's the hangout girl,

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00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:26,530
Speaker 1: it sounds like.

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Speaker 2: It's like bad decisions.

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00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: Or she loves Valeria. She loves that man.

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00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:31,340
Speaker 2: Sure.

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,340
Speaker 1: And she'll do anything for his Ferrari.

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00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,660
Speaker 2: Valeria serves the beginning of his sentence at Parkhurst Prison

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00:57:37,780 --> 00:57:39,780
Speaker 2: on the Isle of Wight. And while he's there, he

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00:57:39,820 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: wears a T-shirt that says, I love Knightsbridge. and has

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00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: a clown's face on it with dollar signs for eyes.

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00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: That's so punk rock. Wait, will you describe it again?

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00:57:49,220 --> 00:57:52,700
Speaker 2: He wears a t-shirt that says, I love Knightsbridge, and

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00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: it has a clown's face on it with dollar signs

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00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:55,740
Speaker 2: for eyes.

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00:57:57,210 --> 00:58:00,310
Speaker 1: That's really, is he Banksy? That's crazy.

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00:58:00,350 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 2: He might be. Then in 1992, he was extradited to

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00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: Italy under the Treaty of Strausburg, your favorite treaty.

1373
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,620
Speaker 1: It's one of the best ones.

1374
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,580
Speaker 2: Yeah, which was one of several big developments around solidifying

1375
00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: the EU at the time. So he's then in prison

1376
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:15,370
Speaker 2: in Pescara. You been there?

1377
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:18,450
Speaker 1: Pescara's gorgeous, and there's really good fresh seafood.

1378
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:19,790
Speaker 2: On the Adriatic coast.

1379
00:58:19,850 --> 00:58:20,050
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:22,590
Speaker 2: But shortly after that, he is put in a program

1381
00:58:22,610 --> 00:58:25,290
Speaker 2: that lets him leave the prison, go to work every day,

1382
00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:27,910
Speaker 2: come back home to have a couple hours of sleep

1383
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:30,939
Speaker 2: at night in the prison, and Wow. He gets a job.

1384
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: That's not prison at all.

1385
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:32,380
Speaker 3: No.

1386
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: That's just having an apartment.

1387
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,780
Speaker 2: In the shape of a prison. He gets a job

1388
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,550
Speaker 2: with a publisher. And in April 2000, when Valerio is

1389
00:58:39,570 --> 00:58:42,750
Speaker 2: about 45 years old and out on his usual day release,

1390
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:46,430
Speaker 2: he and an accomplice are pursued by police. They say

1391
00:58:46,450 --> 00:58:48,510
Speaker 2: that maybe one of his day jobs was planning a

1392
00:58:48,550 --> 00:58:52,750
Speaker 2: fucking another heist. What? Really? Yeah. So they think he

1393
00:58:52,770 --> 00:58:54,590
Speaker 2: and his accomplice have been planning to either rob a

1394
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:57,830
Speaker 2: bank or kidnap a member of a high profile Italian family.

1395
00:58:58,650 --> 00:59:01,530
Speaker 2: There's a brief chase and then there's a shootout and

1396
00:59:01,570 --> 00:59:03,260
Speaker 2: Valerio dies in the shootout.

1397
00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: They kill him.

1398
00:59:04,780 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

1399
00:59:05,340 --> 00:59:07,330
Speaker 2: I looked up Pamela. All I could find was a

1400
00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:09,970
Speaker 2: note that says she retreated to private life as a

1401
00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:14,530
Speaker 2: housewife in the home counties, avoiding any further public spotlight.

1402
00:59:14,850 --> 00:59:16,310
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah.

1403
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:17,990
Speaker 2: She's someone's meemaw now.

1404
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 3: She's a lady, yeah, standing in the back of the

1405
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,500
Speaker 3: room at the talent show. And she's like, if you'd

1406
00:59:24,580 --> 00:59:25,060
Speaker 3: asked me.

1407
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: You don't even know.

1408
00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:28,380
Speaker 1: You have no fucking clue what I've seen.

1409
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: This is why you ask your grandma. Yes. At fucking

1410
00:59:31,780 --> 00:59:34,050
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving or whatever the equivalent is, Boxing Day.

1411
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:36,790
Speaker 1: Grandma, me ma, did you ever have an Italian lover

1412
00:59:36,850 --> 00:59:38,230
Speaker 1: that was a bank robber?

1413
00:59:38,310 --> 00:59:38,650
Speaker 3: Yes.

1414
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:41,770
Speaker 2: Tell us and then write it at myfavoritemurder at Gmail.

1415
00:59:41,810 --> 00:59:42,710
Speaker 1: Write now.

1416
00:59:43,770 --> 00:59:47,260
Speaker 2: The neurotropics are working. Only about 10 million pounds was

1417
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,150
Speaker 2: ever recovered from the stolen safe. So did Pamela actually

1418
00:59:50,190 --> 00:59:51,010
Speaker 2: run off with more?

1419
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:52,430
Speaker 1: I mean, one would hope.

1420
00:59:52,590 --> 00:59:52,810
Speaker 3: I hope.

1421
00:59:53,110 --> 00:59:56,730
Speaker 2: What if she has a safe deposit box? And when

1422
00:59:56,770 --> 00:59:58,950
Speaker 2: she dies, her granddaughter, her great-granddaughter— Gets to.

1423
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: Smash it open.

1424
00:59:59,890 --> 01:00:03,900
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was going to say, what if she— because she's

1425
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,980
Speaker 3: the one person that doesn't buy a Ferrari. She's the

1426
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: one person that doesn't immediately go on a spending spree. Yeah.

1427
01:00:08,650 --> 01:00:09,780
Speaker 1: She truly got away with it.

1428
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: She keeps those rubies in a special place in her closet. Yeah.

1429
01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:15,180
Speaker 2: This is why you have to go through your grandparents' closets.

1430
01:00:15,460 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: She opens her closet and she's got her rubies on

1431
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:18,820
Speaker 1: a little shelf.

1432
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,210
Speaker 2: And a little photo.

1433
01:00:20,350 --> 01:00:24,630
Speaker 3: And a little painting of just the unibrow. Because no

1434
01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:27,810
Speaker 3: one can know. It's her secret.

1435
01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:31,830
Speaker 2: Dreams of safe deposit boxes every night. Only about 10

1436
01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:34,450
Speaker 2: million pounds was ever recovered from the stolen safe deposit boxes.

1437
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:38,990
Speaker 2: Around 12 box owners have never come forward at all.

1438
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:39,450
Speaker 3: Criminal dirty birds.

1439
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 2: Those are the ones we want the most. Curves.

1440
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

1441
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: And that is the story of the Knightsbridge security deposit heist.

1442
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: I promise to never drink a venti frappuccino again.

1443
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,020
Speaker 2: Same with whatever I fucking did.

1444
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:54,460
Speaker 1: God, that was fun.

1445
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: A meth pouch, clearly.

1446
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,010
Speaker 1: What do they put in our stuff? That was great.

1447
01:01:00,350 --> 01:01:01,190
Speaker 2: That was fun. Thank you.

1448
01:01:01,330 --> 01:01:05,370
Speaker 1: That was really good. Fun times. And your skin looks amazing.

1449
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:05,850
Speaker 2: What?

1450
01:01:06,070 --> 01:01:07,370
Speaker 1: It looks amazing right now.

1451
01:01:07,390 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: Thank you. 63 days, alcohol-free.

1452
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,820
Speaker 1: Incredible. It looks great.

1453
01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:13,020
Speaker 2: Thank you. Wow.

1454
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:15,140
Speaker 1: That's so nice to hear. It's fun to have fun,

1455
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:17,300
Speaker 1: but it's even better when you look great.

1456
01:01:17,660 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely. This is hard.

1457
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,780
Speaker 1: We've had to stare at each other for 10 years.

1458
01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: It's not easy.

1459
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,090
Speaker 2: Can you do me a favor and pluck your eyebrows

1460
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:25,950
Speaker 2: at least?

1461
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:27,990
Speaker 1: Please get rid of that fucking chin hair.

1462
01:01:28,820 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: Well, good job.

1463
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:33,250
Speaker 1: Good job. What we just did is what podcasting is. Yeah.

1464
01:01:33,550 --> 01:01:35,570
Speaker 1: Forcing people to listen to us. Totally.

1465
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:40,050
Speaker 2: Basically. Don't listen to any of these newfound podcasters trying

1466
01:01:40,070 --> 01:01:41,450
Speaker 2: to talk about, you know.

1467
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: Real shit.

1468
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,420
Speaker 2: Interviewing celebrities. That's radio.

1469
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:47,860
Speaker 1: That's for others. Exactly.

1470
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: That's talk shows. This is the one.

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,180
Speaker 3: This is the your two friends amped up on a chemical.

1472
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,260
Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about which one. Jess. Or Judge.

1473
01:01:57,300 --> 01:01:58,610
Speaker 2: Really stressing through life.

1474
01:01:58,790 --> 01:02:02,770
Speaker 1: Just really powering through life. Story by story.

1475
01:02:02,810 --> 01:02:09,260
Speaker 2: Because we love you. And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Elvis,

1476
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:09,940
Speaker 2: do you want a cookie?

1477
01:02:17,850 --> 01:02:19,650
Speaker 3: This has been an Exactly Right production.

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01:02:19,850 --> 01:02:21,570
Speaker 2: Our managing producer is Molly Smith.

1479
01:02:21,790 --> 01:02:23,730
Speaker 1: Our consulting producer is Kate Schellenbach.

1480
01:02:23,850 --> 01:02:25,570
Speaker 2: Our creative lead is Allison Agosti.

1481
01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:28,630
Speaker 3: Our associate producer is Tessa Hughes, and our editor is

1482
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:29,930
Speaker 3: Aristotle Acevedo.

1483
01:02:30,130 --> 01:02:32,260
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Liana Squalacci.

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01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:35,060
Speaker 1: Our researchers are Maren McGlashan and Allie Elkin.

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01:02:35,260 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: Email your hometowns to myfavoritemurder at gmail.com and follow the

1486
01:02:38,860 --> 01:02:40,760
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1487
01:02:41,020 --> 01:02:44,320
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1488
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1489
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