1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan. Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: the Monday Morning Podcast. We have a lot, a lot 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: to go over Bucks Hawks. Bucks have now seized control 8 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: of the series. Trey Young is hurt, Clippers Sons Sons 9 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: of seize control of that series. Jason Kidd new head 10 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: coach of the Dallas Mavericks, Chauncey Billups new coach of 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: the Blazers, and the dame situation. He's unhappy. Let me 12 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: start with that. A couple of weeks ago, I was 13 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: on social media and I had tweeted something and actually 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Damian Lillard DMed me. Yes, Damian Lillard, I had talked 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: about this on the TV show, and I think we've 16 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: had enough time. Now we're removed from it far enough 17 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: I can talk about it. I'm not going to get 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: into too many specifics, but what we discussed was Damian 19 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Lillard and his options. So in nine seasons, he's the 20 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: batman they have not delivered a Robin. And this is 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: where I side with players. Lebron James gave Cleveland seven years, 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: they couldn't get him a second All Star. CJ. McCollum 23 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: is a very nice player, but how many years have 24 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: people been screaming their skills are often duplicated. Obviously Dame's 25 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: better and they have not moved him. So I don't 26 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: have a ton of sympathy when in eight or nine 27 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: free agency periods and eight or nine drafts you can't 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: find a really solid second star for day. And I'm 29 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: not saying it's easy. Mark Cuban now is going to 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: have to do that with Luca. He's gonna have to 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: find a Robin or in five years, four years, Luca 32 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: will bolt. But this is the world we're in. Dame 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: when he and I briefly text back and forth, loves Portland, 34 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: loves the people, but it's the reality he's going to 35 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: be what is he? Thirty one in July, drafted by 36 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Portland in twenty twelve. He wanted Jason Kidd, they went 37 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: to the same high school in Alameda. Didn't get him. 38 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: It's Chauncey Billups Now. I don't necessarily think players should 39 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: be hiring coaches. But the reality is Dame's as big 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: a star as Portland has had since you know, Clyde Drexler, 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna have some pull. I mean, if Luca wants 42 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: a coach, then Jason Kidd or Chauncey Billups would be 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: your head coach. The Lakers think they have a shot 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: at him. That's sort of Los Angeles delusion. The Los 45 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers have players. Kcp's a solid player, hot and cold. 46 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: It's not what port and wants Kyle Kuzma. Lebron doesn't 47 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: get along with him. They'd love to move him. He's 48 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: kind of expensive. It's not the kind of contract you 49 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: can't move, but it's not necessarily team friendly, considering he 50 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: disappears often in big spots for the Lakers. You know, 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: Dennis Shrewder's a guy that Lakers will probably resign him. 52 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: But he's a difficult, difficult player. I'm told doesn't get 53 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: along with a lot of people, can be very difficult 54 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: to coach, and Frank Vogel's finding that out. You could 55 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: move Anthony Davis, but he's represented by Clutch Sports. That's Lebron, 56 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: so they're not going to move him. I just don't 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: think the Lakers have the pieces. You know, Dame works 58 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: almost everywhere not named Golden State. They've got Steph. He 59 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: works everywhere not named Atlanta with Trey Young. So you're 60 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: not gonna have problems moving, Dame. But I get it, 61 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: you're at a place eight nine years they can't deliver 62 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: a second star. This is where we're at. It's happened before. 63 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: I love Portland, but you know, it's never even hosted 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: an NBA All Star Game. They don't have enough hotel rooms. 65 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: It's a small city, you know, in Baseball park Lance. 66 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: It's a great Triple A town. And there's a reality 67 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: here that maybe Jason Kidd could have chosen between Portland 68 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: and Dallas and chose Dallas. It's in the middle of 69 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: the country. You have fewer hours in the air, no 70 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: state tax. A lot of players love Dallas, some players 71 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: love Portland. But listen, it may have come down to that, 72 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: and Jason Kidd has options. More than one team wanted 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: Jason Kidd. That's where we stand today. But my guess 74 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: is Dame would have to force his way out of Portland. 75 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: To leave Portland. He is simply like Steph Curry, too 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: popular for a GM to move. Portland's GM would probably 77 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: be better serve. Portland's owner would be better served if 78 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Dame came out and said I want out, that would 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: make it easier to move him. They'd lose some leverage, 80 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: but Dame is so talented. You'd get a lot of 81 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: nice things in return. Portland would get a ton of 82 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: nice things in return. All right, let's get into it 83 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: with Chris Mannox. My buddy Mannix is a senior writer 84 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: for Sports Illustrated. We hired him at the volume. His 85 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: boxing podcast, Boxing with Chris Mannox, drops every Friday, so 86 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: let's bring him in. You know, Christ, two things that 87 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: stood out to me in the Bucks win. And I 88 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: had picked the Bucks to get to the finals and 89 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,119 Speaker 1: actually win the championship. And I, you know, I had said, 90 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: I thought they're stars, don't have a history of getting hurt. 91 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: And with Trey Young stepping on an official's foot and 92 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: twisting his ankle, might takeaway is it some of it's condensed, 93 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: some of its luck. But Milwaukee is a physical team 94 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: with a bunch of players whose history is they mostly 95 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: stay healthy. So there's that. The other thing that jumps out, 96 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: I thought they really finally, with a huge rebound advantage, 97 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: might might take away in the series where they're just 98 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: a bigger, stronger, more physical team. They're going to they're 99 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: going to wear Atlanta down. And I felt I some 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: of it was just Chris Middleton was hot, But but 101 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: I really do believe Milwaukee's the better team here. I 102 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: think there are a stronger, more physical team. I think 103 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: the Clippers looked exhausted. I think I think Atlanta looked 104 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: a little tired in spots. Your thoughts, Yeah, I would 105 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: agree with much of that. The Bucks have always kind 106 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: of leaned in on physicality. They've they've balanced it by 107 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: having Brook Lopez being a high level three point shooter 108 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: for a five man. I thought the PJ. Tucker acquisition 109 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: at mid season was one of the better ones that 110 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: we saw because Tucker, you know, as we saw against 111 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, now we've seen him this series, can be 112 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: valuable as a physical defender in multiple spots and knocked 113 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: down that corner three when he has to. But yeah, 114 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: I mean health does have a lot to do with it. 115 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean that that's kind of been the narrative of 116 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: these playoffs, you know, not just in this series. I 117 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: mean Phoenix. You know, take nothing away from what Phoenix 118 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: is probably going to do, But they did it against 119 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: the Laker team that was effectively without Anthony Davis for 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: half the series. They did it against the Denver team 121 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: without their second best player, and now they're doing it 122 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: against the Clipper team without it's best player. It's it's 123 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: just part of it all. And you know, Milwaukee, I 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: will wait and see what the significance of the Trey 125 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: Young injury is. That was freak luck in that situation. 126 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I was texting people in the league office, 127 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: like the referee was in the right position, right, Like, no, 128 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: that's where the referee is supposed to be. He was 129 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: out of bounds and Trey Young just happened to step 130 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: back and twisted on that referee's foot. That's a that's 131 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: a game change. You saw the rest of that game, 132 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: Trey was not himself. He was hobbled. He was more 133 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: of a decoy on the offensive end of the floor. 134 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Like it's a long way of saying 135 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: I agree the Bucks physicality is a big part of 136 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: their identity and what makes them great. But this is 137 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: like yet another example of how the health the best 138 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: team maybe the healthiest team left standing. Well, you know, 139 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 1: it's why. One of the things that's pretty clear. Lebron 140 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: left the East, Kauhi left the East, Jaylen Brown got hurt, 141 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: and Beat is hurt. Now Trey Young is hurt. This 142 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: is the window. I mean, Mike Budenholzer has taken some heat. 143 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I mean, good hell Milwaukee, Chris, they need to win 144 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: the East because this is really you know, it's funny. 145 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: Some years you can't get a break. Milwaukee's gotten every 146 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: break the last two years. Lebron's out, Kawhi is out, 147 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown's out, and Beats hurt. When I look at Philadelphia, 148 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: I think they're there. I think there's ceilings really low. 149 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: I don't I think sometimes Middleton's the Batman and Jannis 150 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: is the Robin. I just I really think either the 151 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: Clippers or the Suns I would take in a very 152 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: short series against Milwaukee and my two reactionary there. Uh, 153 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it's again it goes back 154 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: to I still don't know what to make of the Suns, 155 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: Like I'm still needing to see them against the team 156 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: that's at full strength, that defends at a high level 157 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: and has another superstar that that can matter as two 158 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: superstars on that team. That's what Middleton's kind of become, 159 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: or at least became in this game on Sunday night. 160 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I still the jury to me is still 161 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: out on the Phoenix Suns. But I'm with you. This 162 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: is you know, this is gonna be probably a half 163 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: a dozen teams colin that when this season's over and 164 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: the champions eventually crowned, that are going to kick itself 165 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: for not being that champion because things could change as 166 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: early as next year. I mean, Brooklyn comes back with 167 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: all three of its stars, plus you know, a player 168 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: or two it's probably gonna add in free agency. They 169 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: might create a three year window for themselves where they're 170 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: just the Golden State Warriors of the twenty tens. Lebron 171 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: still has probably a year, two years, three years left 172 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: in him at a high level. AD's healthy. They plush 173 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: out that roster a little bit. The Western Conference might 174 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: be a rap, you know, moving forward. I mean this 175 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: for those teams that are not the super teams, for 176 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: those teams that maybe in a different year might be 177 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: second or third round victims. This is the year Milwaukee 178 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of fits that Mold. I mean if I don't 179 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: think anyone would argue if the Bucks were or if 180 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: the Nets were healthy, the Bucks wouldn't be here. I 181 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: don't think like That's would have won that series. So 182 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: I think it's more than just win the Eastern Conference 183 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: from Milwaukee. This is your chance to win a championship 184 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: in the Jami's era. In a way, they're like the 185 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: twenty eleven Mavericks, Like the Mavericks kind of stole one 186 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: that year when the Heat were still forming, Like they're 187 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: still trying to come together as a super team. This 188 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: is like the Bucks year. They won't play one, but 189 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: they'll maybe caught up in that superteam window for the 190 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: next two or three years. Yeah. I mean, if you 191 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: remember that that Dallas team, even the Toronto team got 192 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: a huge break because the Warriors fell apart physically. You know, 193 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: it is funny because you look back over the last 194 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: several years. I talked about this on TV about three 195 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: weeks ago, there's been a lot more injuries. You would 196 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: think the NFL, with its regulated level of violence, would 197 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: be the injury sport. You know, these athletes now are 198 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: in such tremendous shape that you know they're like violins. 199 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: They get out of tune quickly. They're like an expensive 200 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: sports car. You could argue injuries last six years have 201 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: had a huge factor in almost every championship. And I'll 202 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: give you an example of what I think the Suns 203 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: are because you're kind of trying to kind of put 204 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: your arms around the Suns. This is what I said 205 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: a few days ago. The first Seattle Seahawks team that 206 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl the previous year, they had young 207 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and they were six and five at about Thanksgiving. 208 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: They got hot late, they came together, got knocked out 209 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: of the playoffs the following year. By September, you were like, shit, 210 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: that is easily the best football team in the National 211 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: Football League and it's not close, and you thought, where 212 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: did it come from? Where it came from was four 213 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: or five great players, young players for you. Seattle all peaked, 214 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: including Russell Wilson, the sons, DeAndre Ayton, Devon Booker, Michael Bridges. 215 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: They've all kind of, like I mean, at the end 216 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: of last year, pretty average, got hot late. You're like, wow, 217 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: they're not that far off. They add a piece. They 218 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: feel a little bit Seahawks to me, which is I 219 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: don't think it's lightning in the bottle. Now, the Seahawk 220 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: dynasty ended shorter than we thought, but that was real. 221 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: They were faster. Those were Hall of Fame level players. 222 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: I think Phoenix is a little bit of that that 223 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: they got hot late. Everybody is peaking. They're playing, you know, 224 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: with a confidence that's almost it's building every every night, 225 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: it builds. I don't think this is I don't think 226 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: this is something I think they'll duplicate. I think Phoenix, 227 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: for the at least two years of Chris Paul's stays, 228 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: are going to be really special. That's my takeaway today. Yeah, 229 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: I think you might even be able to extend to 230 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: three years. It wouldn't surprise me if Chris Paul finds 231 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: some kind of deal with the Suns where he opts 232 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: into that final year of his contract at what is it, 233 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: forty four million dollars and then extends for two more 234 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: on the back end of that deal, which will take 235 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: him right around forty years old and finish his career 236 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: in Phoenix. That's some of the chatter that I've heard 237 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: in the Phoenix Suns world there. So you and I 238 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: personally think Chris Paul's game ages really well, like he don't, 239 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't think and look, he's figured some things out 240 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: from the injury front. I mean, COVID is what it is. 241 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: You can't really point to that as being, you know, 242 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: Chris Paul being Chris Paul with the injuries. But since 243 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: that that Conference finals trip where he sprained his ankle. 244 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: You look at the last two years. It was seventy 245 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: plus games the year before and then seventy plus games 246 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: this year. That's not I don't think that's an aberration 247 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: or luck. I think he's I know, he's worked with 248 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: different people, kind of embraced that kind of Tom Brady 249 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: pliometric stuff, and I think he's he's really found something 250 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: that's going to keep him at a high level. And 251 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: you're you're dead on. I mean, look eight and this 252 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: year has been to me the biggest surprise. I mean 253 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: I was in the bubble last year watching him during 254 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: that eight no stretch and watch like every Sun's game 255 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: there because nobody want to go to those Suns games 256 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: and I was like the only ones in courtside for them, 257 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: so I'm watching every game during that stretch. Even during 258 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: that stretch, like Aiden still didn't do a lot for me, 259 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: like I felt like he played with his hands down 260 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: a lot. I didn't think he had great hands when 261 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: he was around the rim. He was big and he 262 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: was kind of physical, but I still didn't think a 263 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: heck of a lot of them This year. I don't 264 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: know whether it's the influence of Chris Paul, another season 265 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: of Monty Williams, just natural development, but he has been 266 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: a completely different player, I mean, the anchor of that 267 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: defense all season long, and then just someone that embraces 268 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: and seems to love his role with this team as 269 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: a screener, as a roller, you know, a defender, just 270 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: doing all the little things with this team. 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I'd sent out a tweet 306 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: regarding him, and you know, he DM ME and we 307 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: went back and forth, and you know, he was just 308 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: he was very cool about it. He was just sort 309 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: of exploring his options. He loves Portland. He liked everything 310 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: about Portland. But you know, one of the things I 311 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: kept saying is, hey man, you go eight years at 312 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: a place and they can't get your second star. I 313 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: never have a problem with anybody moving. I can do 314 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: radio TV for forty years. You got about twelve and 315 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: then you start falling apart. And I look at this 316 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: situation and that CJ. McCollum is a nice player, but 317 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: he duplicates much of what Dame does. And there's been 318 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: people myself included, saying for three years, get wing scoring. 319 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: You've got to get better on the Wing. I mean, 320 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: especially now that lebron at Kawhi Leonard or West. And 321 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't feel a ton of pity for Portland, like 322 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: like they've run this thing back like three, four or 323 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: five years, Chris, And even though I mean, so your first, 324 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: your takeaway on that, and second, I think you can 325 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: get a load for I think a lot of guys 326 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: want to play with him. Well, look, there's a couple 327 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: of things that I've been kind of feeling about. This. 328 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: One is, you know, if Damian Lillard wants to leave, 329 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: he owes Portland nothing like. He has given them everything 330 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: he's had for what the last nine years, and you 331 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: know it, their failures do not fall at his shoulders. 332 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: Their failures fall on a lack of talent around him, 333 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: inconsistent play around him, myriad other reasons. And look, every 334 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: passing day that loss to the Nuggets just feels worse 335 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: and worse, Like that's a Nuggets team that was had 336 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: the doors blown off them by Phoenix and the Blazers 337 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: lose in six games. So you can't really look at 338 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: this Blazers team after that and say, all right, well, 339 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: the return of Zach Collins is going to make all 340 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: the difference with that group. It's just not now like 341 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: I kind of take some issue and again I reiterate, 342 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: like Dame has the right to kind of way out, 343 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: but how it's kind of being handled it reminds me 344 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: almost like a guy breaking up with a girl for 345 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: the first time, like he doesn't know how to do it, 346 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: Like he's sort of doing it in this this this 347 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: sort of ham handed way where you know, it's he's 348 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: speaking to Chris Haynes, but I want Jason Kidd when 349 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: he's never kind of done stuff like that gone public 350 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: about you know, personnel coach whatever in the past. Um, 351 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, Haynes recently wrote, you know, Haynes and obviously 352 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: Daan have a great relationship. This is yeah to me anyway, 353 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: it feels like it's all coming from him, like and 354 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know, taking issue with some of 355 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: the stuff people are saying about him on social media. Well, 356 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: I mean, who cares what people on Instagram and Twitter 357 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: say about you? I mean that if you can't let 358 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: that represent the fan base at large. It just feels 359 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: like Dame kind of sees what we see Colin that 360 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: that it's kind of over in Portland and he's in 361 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: his early thirties, and he could stay there, he's under 362 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: contract through twenty twenty five, make a lot of money, 363 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: you know, cement himself as the greatest Blazer of all time. 364 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: Or he can move on and try to work with 365 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: the Blazers to finding a trade partner. Now, I happen 366 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: to think that's the best thing for both sides. Like 367 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: I understand the guys incredibly popular and sells tickets and 368 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: makes you relevant in a national way, But is it 369 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: really worth like three more years of first or at 370 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: best second round playoff exits? Like we don't look at 371 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: this Blazers team and say, even with him a column 372 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: deal that would put them off Utah or Phoenix or 373 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: the Lakers or the Clippers. Teams are gonna be there 374 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: for the next four years, not to mention the teams 375 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: behind them that are coming up, you know very quickly, 376 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: is it really worth all that? Like Portland, I think 377 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: you're right, could get a haul for Damian Lillard. I 378 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: mean you could you deal with the right team and 379 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: all it takes his one as Sam Presty, that all 380 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: it takes his one team to go crazy, and you 381 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: get a haul and a half back for them. You know, 382 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: you can start to rebuild this franchise in the way 383 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: you have to do it. I mean, I just, I 384 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: just I think I think both these sides kind of 385 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: know what has to happen, but neither one seems to 386 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: know how to do it. At this point, they seem 387 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: to they seem to be very confused as to how 388 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: to make this split actually happen. And hopefully they can 389 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: get on the same page in the next couple of 390 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: months and everybody can win with the results. You know, 391 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: it's funny. I a lot of people on the you know, 392 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: the Internet, are making the Lakers look like a viable option. 393 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: And you know, there's two things that jump out to me, 394 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: and I've said it was I don't think they have 395 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: anything to give unless they wanted to move off Anthony Davis, 396 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: and because of clutch Sports, they won't do that. Yet, 397 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: nobody wants nothing against KCP, nothing against you know, Dennis 398 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Shrewder is very difficult. I've heard he's been difficult to 399 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: coach Kuzma. Lebron and Kuzma don't even their body language 400 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: is horrible. Lebron likes Caruso, but it feels like he 401 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: could bail on anybody. Else, So I don't think they 402 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of pieces. But I the one thing 403 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: that is interesting when you look at Portland. Dame's a 404 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: good guy. He could work everywhere. Most of the teams 405 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: that have the assets are Western teams, and I'm sorry, 406 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a hard time Damon come back to 407 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: burn me. Is there an Eastern team? I mean, obviously 408 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: Portland ideally would like to move him out, you know 409 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: of the time zone. Is there a team that works 410 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: for you when it comes to Lillard? I mean, you 411 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: could deal with Philadelphia and talk to Ben Simmons, because 412 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: if you're making a deal like this, you can't do 413 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: it for like a Bradley Beale centered package or something 414 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: like that. You have to if you're going to get 415 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: another superstar back, it's got to be a superstar under 416 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: contract for the foreseeable future. And Ben Simmons, despite his wartz, 417 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: is still a perennial All Star who is under contra 418 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: tracked as long as Dame is through twenty twenty five, 419 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: That to me is the only Eastern Conference team that 420 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: makes well. I mean, you know what, as I think 421 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: about it now, with the Eastern groun, like Boston could 422 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: could find a way to get there. Like, you know, 423 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: would you rather have Jalen Brown or Ben Simmons, like 424 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: as a centerpiece of a deal the sung Well Jalen Brown. 425 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown is much more coachable. Yeah he is. He'll 426 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: give you a healing I think. Well, he also he 427 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: plays defense. I mean, Ben plays great defense, can't shoot. 428 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: Jaalen's really molded himself into a nice twenty two point 429 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: a game. What he average this year twenty four, he 430 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: was right around he was in the twenties. And one thing, 431 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean, living in Boston, I've covered him a lot, 432 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 1: like you know, he's he improves every single year like 433 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: this was his best year and he just the way 434 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: this guy works, I can easily see him becoming twenty 435 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: five twenty six points per game, forty percent three point shooter. 436 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: That's not nothing like that. That's that's a real asset 437 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: who at twenty four years old under contract, which is 438 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: manageable by the way, for I think at least the 439 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: next three years. You you could build around him. Boston, 440 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: as we've noted many times in the past, to protect 441 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: its draft picks like they're their kids, you know, so 442 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: they've got all their their assets there at their disposal. 443 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: Some decent young players, not great, but decent young players 444 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: you can throw at that. Next there's somebody I think 445 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: that could make a run at Damian Lillard. Yeah, it's 446 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: interesting too. It is a pretty hardy draft. I was 447 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: looking at a mock draft last week, Chris, and there's 448 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: a kid out of Oregon, Duarte. He was a shooter, 449 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: kind of a catch and shoot guy, but he can dribble. 450 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: And I remember watching him because I used to live 451 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: in Portland and as Chris Duarte maybe and I'm not 452 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: an NBA draft you know, guru, but I was like, 453 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: they had him slotted at like twenty two, and I 454 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: was like, oh, hell, he's an NBA player. I mean, 455 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: there are drafts, Chris, you get to about the eleventh 456 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: pick and you're not sure that guy can That's a 457 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: guy deep off the bench. So if this is the 458 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: year from Boston, the Jalen Brown thing, if I get 459 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown and a couple of decent picks, you're gonna 460 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: get guys who are rotation. This draft's pretty good. This 461 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: was kind of not specifically Lillard, but this is one 462 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: of my problems with the Celtics making the Kemba Walker trade. 463 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: When they did, like they gave up the sixteenth pick 464 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: in the draft, that could have been capital to go 465 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: out and acquire a star the caliber of Damian Lillard. 466 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: They did it to do for what reason? Like Al 467 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: Horford wasn't going anywhere. That Sam Presty deal with Oklahoma 468 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: City wasn't disappearing overnight, Like you could have made that 469 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: deal happen in mid August instead of you know, mid June. 470 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Like that that to me, you know, the Celtics giving 471 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: up that first round pick in this year's draft, the 472 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: sixteenth overall, that was that to me, this situation we're 473 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: talking about now is one of my issues with the 474 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: Celtics doing that. So let's go to Jason Kidd in 475 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: the MAVs. Now, there are stories that Damian Lillard wasn't 476 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: happy with the Chauncey Billus choice. He would have preferred 477 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: Jason Kidd. My takeaway is, well, Jason may have had 478 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: both options, and if I was Jason Kidd, I'd take 479 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the Mavericks too. Luke is a star, he's a bigger body, 480 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: he's younger. It's the middle of the country. I'm not 481 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: buried in the Pacific Northwest. It may be an easier 482 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: place to land, free agents, no state tax, all things equal, 483 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: I get Jason Kidd taking the MAVs. Was he offered 484 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: Portland or was this? Does Damian Lillard? I mean kind 485 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: of take me through unpack that a little well, you know, 486 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: Lillard box the Blazers in a little bit once sad. 487 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: He said about Jason Kidd unequivocal, but I didn't say, like, 488 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, I like Jason Kidd. I love to play 489 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: for him someday, was like, I want him to be 490 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: the next coach. Unclear why he did it. They're obviously 491 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: both connected through Oakland Point Guards. They've got a history there, 492 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: They've got a relationship in the past. He was never 493 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: offered the Blazer's job, and look part of that, and 494 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: you're seeing it kind of emerge with Chauncey billups Is 495 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: Jason Kidd's past would have been there would have been 496 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: a lot of pushback on that from the Portland fan base. 497 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: You know, we're seeing Chauncey right now take some heat 498 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: for the sexual assault incident that was you know, it 499 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: was never convicted of anything. It was something that was 500 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: settled back in the late nineteen nineties. While he was 501 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: a member of the Celtics. He's gonna get asked about that, 502 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: unquestionably at his press conference on Tuesday. That's gonna be 503 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,959 Speaker 1: a story in Portland for a while. Jason Kidd's issues 504 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: we're far more high profile. You know, we all recall 505 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: what was going on with Jason when he was a 506 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: player early two thousands with the nets and his wife. 507 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: I think that stopped the conversation before it even started. 508 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: You know, I think I don't believe that, well, there 509 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: was no interview with Jason Kidd, there was no there 510 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: was nothing official that ever happened with Jason. This was 511 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: kind of something that was out there for I think 512 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: forty eight hours really where you know liid zep what 513 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: he said, then Jason said what he said, pulling himself out. 514 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: But I think Jason is a smart guy. You know, 515 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall in that situation, and 516 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: he look, he's going to the one city where look, 517 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: his past is definitely going to come up. But it's 518 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: in a way a safe space, Like you want a 519 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: championship in Dallas, they know exactly who he is. In Dallas. 520 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: You received the stamp up approval from Rick Carlisle you know. 521 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: I mean like this is that's like the one job 522 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: that for Jason Kidd, you know, is probably going to 523 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: keep him from some very uncomfortable conversations over you know, 524 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: wherever else you might go. Yeah, you know, the Dallas thing. 525 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you and I have talked about this, 526 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: it is It's always been fascinating. I tend to think 527 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: if I'm confused about a sports topic, I think, Okay, 528 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: what would I do if I was the athlete of 529 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: the coach. And I've always thought it's a winter league. 530 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: The travels rough, you're bouncing around the guys. You know, 531 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: Dallas is right in the middle of the country. There's 532 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: no six hour flights, no state tax. I'm twenty eight 533 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: years old playing basketball, Beautiful women everywhere, and yet they 534 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: never land the guy. And a lot of me thinks 535 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: it's two football driven as a state. Some of me 536 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: think Cuban is such a star that's a turn off 537 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: to people mark Cubans in a race. Now, I do 538 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: think Jason Kidd, would you agree that he's attractive to 539 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: free agents? His style of play will be attractive, you know, 540 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's his style of play necessarily. I 541 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: think it's more him. You know, I didn't he had 542 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: some success in Brooklyn, some success in Milwaukee. I thought 543 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: he did a really nice job laying the groundwork for 544 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: making Yannis a point forward when he was with the Bucks. 545 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: A lot of what Jannis does now, that foundation was 546 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: laid by Jason Kidd. But I never got the sense 547 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: there was anything unique about what what Jason did as 548 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: a head coach. I think it's more about, you know, 549 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,719 Speaker 1: guys who are supposed to be younger guys know who 550 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: he is, not just as a coach, but as an 551 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: ex player. And you know, Mike gravitate towards that he's 552 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: got star power in the way that other coaches maybe 553 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: do not. At the end of the day, though, I 554 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: mean free agents, most of the ones I've talked to 555 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: over the years, they look for situations, They look for 556 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: winning situations, and yeah, if player X believes he's a 557 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: good fit alongside Luca don Chich and the system Jason 558 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: Kidd runs works like they're gonna go they're gonna go 559 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,959 Speaker 1: in and wind up playing there. It's it's to me, 560 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: it's especially over the last ten or fifteen years, the 561 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: way the NBA has changed, It's like guys. You know, 562 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they want to go home to California or wherever, 563 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: but more often than not, they want to find the 564 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: situation that fits. And so to me, this next year, 565 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: as the MAVs gear up for maybe your running twenty 566 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: twenty two, it's some free agents. To me, it's it's about, 567 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, finding a way to improve and get you know, 568 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: become a better team, make the playoffs, win a series, 569 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: and then make yourself attractive to free agents. That way, 570 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: well they move Porzingis or try. I don't think this 571 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: summer um, you know, Porzingis in the regular season was 572 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: pretty good. You know a lot of me thinks that 573 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: that doubt that that Clipper matchup was bad. That was 574 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: just a really really bad matchup for Porzingis, Like they 575 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: went small and he just wound up being the guy 576 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: standing in the corner. I mean, I thought he was 577 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: pretty damn good in the regular season, and I kind 578 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: of expect that to continue in the playoffs. I mean, 579 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: I go back to the bubble series they played against 580 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: the Clippers, and that series went south on them after 581 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: Porzingis went out. I mean, I think he was putting 582 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: up good numbers before that happens. So I think if you, 583 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: if you're Dallas new coach, you give porzingis maybe one 584 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: more year, you know, before you start to kind of 585 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: look around, and even like, I mean, look, his trade 586 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: value is not high, like he's an injury risk. He's 587 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: got a big contract. It's not like you're gonna be 588 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: able to get dollar for dollar value back for him 589 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: in return. I think it makes more sense to hold. 590 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: And I think Dallas beliefs is too, although they have 591 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: got a whole new front office that that really knows 592 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: what they think at this point. But I mean conventional 593 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: wisdom says, hold on to the guy for one more year. 594 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: See if the porzingis doncheous, pairing continues to grow, see 595 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: if Jason Kidd works, and then end of next year 596 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: you reevaluate. So before we go, I want to bring 597 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: up something I saw a report. I fundamentally believe that 598 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: Harden and Kevin Durant work great together and they could 599 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: win a championship with a good bench. I think what 600 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: the Sons have been able to do because of Cameron 601 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: Payne is played Chris thirty one minutes and it's a 602 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: really healthy, energized Chris Paul. At the end of games 603 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: you know you're getting into a situation when you have 604 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: no bench, and the Warriors ran into this. You know, 605 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: you're just playing your starters forty plus minutes in these 606 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: grueling series. And I think hardened Durant and a steady, 607 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: strong bench where Kevin can play thirty three hard and 608 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: thirty four, that's a championship team to me, especially coming 609 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: out of the East. And I got to tell you, 610 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: when I saw the Kyrie Irving trade rumor or talk, 611 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: I thought, that's the guy that worries me. He's erratic. 612 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: He's erratic physically, he can be erratic emotionally. You know. 613 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: I always joke if any of your friends said the 614 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: Earth is flat, you'd be just done calling them. I 615 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: know it was a joke, but there's part of me 616 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: that thinks it's sort of Kyrie. He's kind of out there, 617 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: and I don't know, there's always a taker for somebody 618 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: of his skill level. But I did kind of buy 619 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: into it that I part of that. I read that 620 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: and I thought, God, we saw Harden really grew this year. 621 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: His distribution was terrific. I thought he was really I mean, 622 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: I was always you know, I knew he was a 623 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: great offensive player Chris, but I always kind of I 624 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: thought he was two ball centric. He looked worn down 625 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, hard to play with, didn't give you 626 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: much of an effort on the defensive end. And then 627 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: I watched this year and I'm like, no, I'm in 628 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: I like him. I think the Kyrie Irving rumors, I 629 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: think there's got to be something to it. It does 630 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: make a little sense, right well, regardless of it makes sense, 631 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: it is absolutely not gonna happen. Like for the first 632 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: thing I thought of when I saw those rumors pop 633 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: was the incredibly uncomfortable conversation Sean Mark's gonna have to 634 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: have with Kyrie because every every GM, like I've had 635 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: these phone calls with GMS after I've written something about, 636 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, a trade talk that was taking place, Like dude, 637 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: now I got to call this guy and tell him 638 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: we're not doing it and say, like we still love you. 639 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: This just media being media. Don't worry about it. Put 640 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: it out of your mind. So I would imagine Sean 641 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: Marks had to have that conversation with Kyrie Irving, even 642 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: if you believe that, like you're saying that Kyrie a 643 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: package that you get back for players for Kyrie makes 644 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,720 Speaker 1: you a better team overall, nobody's gonna require Kyrie irving 645 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: like Kyrie. Unless Kyrie comes out and says I want 646 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: to be a team X, nobody's gonna trade for him. 647 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: We saw what happens in those situations when Kyrie's unhappy. 648 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: It's called the Boston Celtics of twenty eighteen nineteen. Nobody's 649 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: bringing that guy in if he doesn't want to be there, 650 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: because he's going to let it be known that he 651 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be there. It's gonna bleed out one 652 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: way or the other. And if you're trying to build something, 653 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: you can't. I don't think you can bring in a 654 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: player that's not all in on your particular situation. I 655 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: just to me, it's it's highly improbable that's thing like 656 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 1: that I could ever come to Fruition for that reason. 657 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 1: That's amazing that a top five finisher in the league 658 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: is so toxic he's untradeable. I don't even remember anything. 659 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: I mean because I mean, again, we don't have there's nothing, 660 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: there's no crime committed. It's just I mean, you know, 661 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: I mean, Kyrie's flaky. He's a little too erratic for me. 662 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: I could never build around him. But that's amazing. So 663 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: your your takeaway as he is just off limits nobody, 664 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: because I look at Miami and I think they need size. 665 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: Could they go Bama to Bayou? They're done with Tyler 666 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: Hero put him off the bench for Kyrie, Like I think, oh, 667 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: that that works, and you're to use zero chance? You 668 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: would have to. It'd have to be a discussion with 669 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. But if it's if it's a Miami, you'd 670 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: have to go to him and say, look, Miami's made 671 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,479 Speaker 1: is an offer. We think it makes our team better, 672 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: But do you want to go there? Like, do you 673 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: want to play there? Because Miami's believe it? Miam, My god, 674 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: Miami would have zero tolerance for any Kyrie antics. Like 675 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: that's as zero tolerance a team as they get. Um, 676 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: you'd have to. It'd have to be in consultation with 677 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. And I can't think of too many teams 678 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 1: that he would want to go to at this point. 679 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: He signed with Brooklyn because of it's near his hometown 680 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: and he wants to play with Kevin Durant like they 681 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: are they remain very close friends. So I just I 682 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: just can't envision a scenario where the Nets just seek 683 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: something they like get the other team to make a deal, 684 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: which is I think more difficult to come together and 685 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: just unilaterally deal. Kyrie calling Kyrie, you've covered him. Kyrie 686 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: with strike me as the kind of guy and be like, 687 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I retire like, Yeah, that's what he 688 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: kind of he might like. It might be like, I'm done, 689 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: I don't need basketball. I'm going to go, you know, 690 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: do whatever it is I do when I disappear off 691 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: the map, you know, and go travel the world and 692 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: do stuff like that. That's the kind of guy he 693 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: might he might turn out being at that point. So 694 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: it's it's just to me, there are too many issues 695 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: to unravel before you could do a deal like that. 696 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: By the way, the Bradley Beal stuff is interesting because 697 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: they I think they have They are like Portland, they 698 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: got to rebuild. It doesn't work start over. I think 699 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: you can get a haul for Beal. I know Lebron, Maverick, Carter, Lebron, 700 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: those guys, they have been in on Bradley Beale for 701 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: three and four years. They thought, you know, I know 702 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: those Lebron I was told thought Beal was saddled with 703 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: John Wall thought John was too immature, inconsistent. Beal, you 704 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: think they're gonna be a fairly vibrant market for him. 705 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 1: I would love Bradley, very very strong market for Bradley Beale. 706 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: But he's also in a situation where if you trade 707 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: for him, you gotta know he wants to be there, 708 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: because you're only getting the last year of that contract. 709 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: If you don't want to give up the major asset 710 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give up to go and get him. 711 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: That's why to kind of circle it back. I think 712 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 1: Boston's a player for Bradley Beale too. I mean the 713 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 1: Bradley Beale Jason Tatum relationship hip, people know, it's rock solid. 714 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: These two grew up in the Saint Louis area. They 715 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: have been best friends for a long time. Playing their 716 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: first All Star Game together this past year, they couldn't 717 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: have been more excited. And believe you me, when they're 718 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: both over in Tokyo, that conversation is going to take 719 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: place about playing together, finding a way. We've seen stuff 720 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: like that happened before with the super Friends of Miami 721 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: and the Olid Olympics, and you know Kyrie and Kevin 722 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: Durant in the Hallway like this, this stuff, This stuff 723 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: happens when these guys are are away. So if you're 724 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: Boston and I look, Boston not looking to trade Jalen Brown. 725 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: But if you're Boston, it's like a straight swap Jaylen 726 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: Brown for Bradley Beale. Bradley Biale will be just be 727 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: twenty eight next season, so he fits into that window 728 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: that Tatum is currently in. They do compliment each other. 729 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: Bill a score from the perimeter, you know, Tatum a 730 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: three four, So you're you're not taking a step back 731 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: by any stretch. And you would know more likely than 732 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: not that Bill would want to be there because he 733 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: wants to play with Tatum, who signed for the long term. 734 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 1: That that to me is one of the more likely 735 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: places at Boston Philadelphia, you know, Philip because Brown under 736 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 1: contract for a few more years. Ben Simmons under contract 737 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: for a few more years. Two teams in contention that 738 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: Bradley Beal might gravitate towards. He's been an East Coast 739 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: guy for some time now. Uh, those are the two 740 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: teams I think are the favorites right now. If if 741 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: Bradley Beale goes to and all he has to do 742 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: is go to the wizard and say I'm not going 743 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: to sign that extension that has the same power, same 744 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: powers asked for a trades. Why when guys don't do that, 745 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: it drives me wild, Like why don't you just just 746 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: say I'm not going to sign the extension, Like you 747 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: get to be the good guy and you don't and 748 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: you get what you want anyway. So once he does that, 749 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: it's game on for Bradley Beale. Could be a really 750 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: interesting market. I mean for everything, but the Bradley Beale 751 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: one will be fun. The Ben Simmons one is going 752 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: to be interesting because I think he's you know, I 753 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: was on the conference call it Darryl had with the 754 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: Philadelphia media and like talk about tap dancing around, you know, 755 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: an issue. It's like we like everybody, but if there's 756 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: any chance to improve our team, we'll look at it, 757 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: like I saw. But it was Howard asking. It was 758 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 1: like will you please answer a specific Ben Simmons question? 759 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: And he wouldn't. He said no on that. So so 760 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: like you know, Daryl's I think that's something's gonna happen. 761 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: Lillard all in McCollum in Portland. I mean, there's this. 762 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: It could be another wild offseason the NBA plus a 763 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: great draft. All right, Chris Mannox, He's got his boxing 764 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: podcast with us at the Volume. Great listen, We love 765 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: him some NBA stuff as well. Thanks for stopping by 766 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: on a Sunday night Monday morning for those listening, Thanks Bud. 767 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: You gotta call him all right, everybody, Chris Mannox was awesome, 768 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: no surprise there. Follow us at the Volume Sports, Twitter, Instagram, 769 00:40:40,840 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: rate review, subscribe. Gonna be a big week The Volume