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Speaker 1: What's up? His way up at Angela? Yee and listen.

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Speaker 2: I love when we have the definition of somebody who

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Speaker 2: is way up on the show, and Prentice Penny is

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Speaker 2: definitely that guy. What's that, Prentice?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Angela? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: And before we even get into it, because you had

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Speaker 2: about how we first met.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a long time.

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Speaker 3: Ago, twenty twelve, that's wild.

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Speaker 1: Twelve years ago.

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Speaker 3: Twelve years ago, we were kids doing The Hustle. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Hustle was a show on FX. Yeah, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: Freddy Gibbs was on there, Freddy.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy who we like?

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Speaker 4: We had Jadakiss, Freddy Nipsey hustles in the shows.

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Speaker 4: It was fun, y'all and y'all were all in from

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Speaker 2: From day one, so you know, just seeing from that

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Speaker 1: Okay, they say Brooklyn that nine was an amazing show too.

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Speaker 3: It was super fun pre Insecure. That was all pre insecure.

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Speaker 2: We was gonna get to Insecure, okay, because we've seen

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Speaker 2: you doing your wine down and yeah yeah. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: so Prentice, even before we get into this, just your

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Speaker 2: passion for what it is that you do with producing storytelling.

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Speaker 1: Where did that come from?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, so it's so funny you try

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Speaker 2: I think another thing you do really well clearly is

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: So I'm hearing a lot of women talk at that

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Speaker 3: Probably stuff I shouldn't have been.

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Speaker 4: And I'm already like an emo type dude anyway, So

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Speaker 1: Top of you before it was popular, oh for sure.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And another thing I saw was you and architecture of Digests. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the black Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Insecure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you know, that was one of my favorite

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Speaker 4: Like we wanted to end on a note where people

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Speaker 2: All right, now let's get into this black Twitter docu

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Speaker 2: series that you did.

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Speaker 1: So this is this based on the Wired article?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's based for.

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Speaker 4: So the article actually ends on January sixth, and that's

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that's where all the whole thing stems from.

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Speaker 3: Us do wine and things like that.

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Speaker 4: Now that like, you know, Dwane Wade's got a wine label,

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Speaker 3: So it was kind of best friend and.

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Speaker 2: Grid best with my best wine. Shout out to IoT,

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Speaker 2: I best wine here In the first thing.

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Speaker 1: The only reason I even know how to pronounce that

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Speaker 3: That's What's Up. I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 4: But you know, black culture it always does that, you

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Speaker 3: And they were super supportive of that too. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I want to say I'm a wine kind of sew.

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Speaker 4: this before. You know, most of my all of my

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Speaker 4: work pretty much had been scripted to that point, and

444
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Speaker 4: so you know, I was I wasn't afraid to fail

445
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,160
Speaker 4: at this, you know, because you're like, oh, you get

446
00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,440
Speaker 4: known for something, and you get known for having success,

447
00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,600
Speaker 4: and so the idea of having a failure on your

448
00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,000
Speaker 4: thing is kind of like not great. But I knew

449
00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,000
Speaker 4: I also wouldn't get better or you know, as a

450
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Speaker 4: creative if I just always did things I knew I

451
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Speaker 4: could do. So I was seeking trying to be uncomfortable.

452
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Speaker 4: I was seeking trying to find something that would again

453
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Speaker 4: push me out of my comfort zone, like to be

454
00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,840
Speaker 4: creative in a different way. Right, And so I'm so

455
00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,359
Speaker 4: glad I did you know what I mean, you know,

456
00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,720
Speaker 4: regardless of what the outcome of that was going to be,

457
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Speaker 4: you know, for me, it was like the process of that.

458
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Speaker 2: How did you and Jason come together to do this?

459
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Speaker 2: Whose idea was it? Who approached too?

460
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

461
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,639
Speaker 4: So you know Wired magazine is owned by a bigger

462
00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,360
Speaker 4: conglomerate called Conde Nast, and so they have their own

463
00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,959
Speaker 4: studio that they have and so Sarah Amos, who is

464
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,920
Speaker 4: who works in there sort of adapting stuff into TV

465
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,840
Speaker 4: or movies, came to me and was like, hey, I

466
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Speaker 4: want you to direct it. And I was really nervous

467
00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,359
Speaker 4: again about doing it. I didn't know why I was like,

468
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Speaker 4: I don't do this, and she was like, you look,

469
00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 4: we need somebody who can tell a narrative, not necessarily

470
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Speaker 4: like a documentary filmmaker, someone who can tell a story,

471
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Speaker 4: to tell this story. And I was again, I was

472
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Speaker 4: really nervous to do it. And it really wasn't until

473
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Speaker 4: I thought about Sparklee's one of my favorite filmmakers, and

474
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Speaker 4: I thought about how obviously he does movies, but he

475
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Speaker 4: also does docs, right, he did like When the Levees

476
00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,639
Speaker 4: Break and for a Little Girls, and he did the

477
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,520
Speaker 4: Off the Wall doc about Michael Jackson's album. So I

478
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,879
Speaker 4: was like, well, there's you know, something to sort of,

479
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,000
Speaker 4: you know, hang my hat on, like let me try.

480
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Speaker 4: And I'm so glad again, I'm so glad I did

481
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Speaker 4: because it just pushed me in a way that I

482
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Speaker 4: would not have done anything like that before.

483
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Speaker 1: What are some things that you learned from this process?

484
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Speaker 4: Well, from the process, I was it was a fun

485
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Speaker 4: thing to again stretch your muscles creatively, right, Like I

486
00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 4: knew in the dock, I felt I had watched a

487
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Speaker 4: lot of documentaries right before I started filming it, and

488
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Speaker 4: I was like, I always feel like sometimes docs are

489
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Speaker 4: kind of interviewing people in kind of like generic spaces,

490
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Speaker 4: and I really wanted the spaces that we talked to

491
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Speaker 4: all the people that to feel super specific in the

492
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Speaker 4: way that black Twitter feels, right, And so I was like,

493
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Speaker 4: I want them to be in sets where black people

494
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Speaker 4: tweet from, so barbershops, hair salons, a subway, right, in

495
00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,479
Speaker 4: places like that. So it was like, I wanted all

496
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 4: the locations, all the sets to feel like where we

497
00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:06,919
Speaker 4: engage from, right.

498
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Speaker 3: Things like that.

499
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 4: I wanted to use sort of gifts and memes to

500
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Speaker 4: like punctuate things comedically right in the same way I wanted.

501
00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,639
Speaker 4: I wanted the visual style of the doc to feel

502
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Speaker 4: like you were in Black Twitter.

503
00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean black Twitter is a hilarious place too.

504
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,880
Speaker 2: It's very creative. It is they should be getting paid

505
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,399
Speaker 2: for these sweets.

506
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Speaker 4: Yes, Amanda says this great thing where she says, I

507
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,399
Speaker 4: didn't know so many people on black Twitter had photoshop

508
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 4: and graphic arts degrees because we will photoshop and thing.

509
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 3: Into something real quick like no joke like, no joke like, and.

510
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,080
Speaker 2: It's brilliant dragging you sometimes you have to laugh, likeous,

511
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 2: pretty funny because and.

512
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Speaker 4: That's the other thing we were saying you know, you know,

513
00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 4: black Twitter is like the back of the school bus

514
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 4: when you go on that field trip, right, It's like

515
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 4: anybody can get these jokes.

516
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 3: Nobody's above it.

517
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 4: There's nobody that's that's too cool to be, you know,

518
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 4: getting cracked on.

519
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 3: And that really is the space.

520
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Speaker 4: I think it's a great like, uh, democrat is a

521
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 4: of space on there where again everything's equal.

522
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:04,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get to.

523
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 2: See one person you tested on was Rihanna, and we

524
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 2: had a chance to see her clapping back, Oh clapping

525
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,920
Speaker 2: back and like whoa, yes, like her clapbacks were out,

526
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 2: Oh savage, savage, and that's how she got savage.

527
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 3: That's that's how we talk about that, like her. You know,

528
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 3: you talked about Fab.

529
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Speaker 4: You know, it's like when you're saying, oh, people didn't

530
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 4: know he was like funny, but if like you listen

531
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 4: to his music, Fab, they haven't punchlines in his songs, right,

532
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 4: So it's like, so him posting it on Twitters kind

533
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 4: of to me like a natural extension of who he

534
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Speaker 4: already was, and saying with Rihanna, it's like you're just

535
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 4: kind of watching, like the world kind of got to

536
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 4: see the natural extension of who she was at a

537
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 4: time when you know pre uh, you know, celebrities having

538
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 4: all these kind of handlers who wouldn't let them tweet this,

539
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 4: or it was like everybody was sort of just being themselves, right.

540
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Speaker 2: It's kind of like taking the wall down, yeah, and

541
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 2: getting a chance to see somebody that is like your homegirl.

542
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just as petty, Like they just as

543
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,479
Speaker 4: petty as us, They just as shady as us.

544
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Speaker 3: They are all those things now.

545
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Speaker 1: The other side though, people getting canceled, right.

546
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: And one of the things you start off talking about

547
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 2: is Polyadine and how people realized how racist she was

548
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: because of black Twitter. Yes, and then and then and

549
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: then that turned into a whole joke with them talking

550
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Speaker 2: about different racist recipes.

551
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And I mean that's one of the things

552
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 4: too of black Twitter is like we're gonna it's like

553
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: sometimes you know, like we're definitely gonna have these jokes.

554
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Speaker 4: And I think what's interesting sometimes on black Twitter is

555
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 4: there's the way that black culture will seriously mobilize, right

556
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 4: and have like a real beef and articulate the real

557
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 4: problem with it. But then there's other times where we

558
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Speaker 4: use humor as a method to call those things out.

559
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 4: And this and the same kind of outcome still happens

560
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 4: for us. Right, It's like we still get to like

561
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 4: stand up for ourselves, but we're using humor as the

562
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 4: way to do it, as opposed to like, well, here's

563
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 4: why it's wrong blahlah blah blah blah blah. And sometimes

564
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 4: the humor uh puts a different spin on it that

565
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 4: makes it feel not so like in your face but

566
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 4: just calling out the fun of the hypocrisy of it.

567
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Speaker 4: And obviously, you know, I don't know where Poalardine is,

568
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: but yeah, but it was wild.

569
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: Listen.

570
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: Do you think that people because I kind of had

571
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: this theory that most people Everyone talks about how bad

572
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: cancel culture is, but I think the majority of.

573
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Speaker 1: People don't get canceled. That gets to me, it's super rare.

574
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Speaker 2: It has to be like something crazy people are getting

575
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Speaker 2: temporarily dragged.

576
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Speaker 3: I agree.

577
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Speaker 4: I think there's a difference between somebody kind of I

578
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 4: think there's I think there's canceled. I think there's dragged,

579
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 4: and I think there's time out right. Yeah, And I

580
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 4: think sometimes people confuse being put kind of in a timeout.

581
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: And I've learned like also Twitter timeout is like a

582
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Speaker 4: couple of days, because for the most part, somebody's gonna

583
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 4: do something. Yeah, something will inevitably happen, and then.

584
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Speaker 2: It kind of goes away, and it kind of goes

585
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: like all we talked about was Diddy and then this

586
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 2: whole Kendrick and Drake beef happened, and it kind of

587
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: and people be like, I know, he's happy there, because

588
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 2: every time something happens and you're in the headlines, and

589
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: then something else happens, you're like.

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Speaker 4: Whoa, yes, get it takes one percent, it takes a

591
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Speaker 4: new cycle law. So you know there are again, there are

592
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Speaker 4: people who are like canceled canceled, and then there are

593
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: people who are, like you said, who get dragged, and

594
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: then I think most people get put in time out.

595
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 4: But because all of that kind of gets mixed in

596
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 4: together sometimes that it's hard to figure out, well, which

597
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: one are you in. But I do think there's more

598
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 4: degrees now of that than there was before.

599
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 2: And I think one of the best benefits of black

600
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Speaker 2: Twitter has been bringing attention to things like and you

601
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 2: touch on this in the documentary Trayvon Martin and how

602
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,360
Speaker 2: that became a hashtag and a movement, and we saw

603
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: a lot of that also happening during the pandemic where

604
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: everybody was at home and witnessing all these awful things,

605
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: you know that were happening, like George Floyd, Breonna Taylor

606
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: and watching all of this and Ahmad Arbery and so

607
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: seeing that attention being brought and seeing the hashtags and

608
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: we learned about the history of hashtags too, which I

609
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: didn't know about. I thought it was a great education

610
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 2: because it's something that we all use, but it gives

611
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: us some background. But I do feel like at the

612
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: same time that it helps to bring attention to things.

613
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes there's a lot of mis information and elections politics,

614
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: all of that plays apart in black Twitter too, and

615
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: so you know, especially right now when I'm thinking about

616
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: like what's happening, and like Donald Trump always says, if

617
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: I say something enough times, people will believe it's true.

618
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is a fact.

619
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred percent.

620
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

621
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: And we talk about that in episode two a lot.

622
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 4: It's it was weird editing episode two coming up to

623
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 4: an election cycle, because it's like.

624
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 3: Man, we're here again. Yah, We're here again.

625
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 4: And if we don't kind of learn the lesson from previously,

626
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 4: you know, we're gonna fall into the same mistake, you

627
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And so yeah, it's a it's

628
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 4: a weird time to have this come out during an

629
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: election year, for sure.

630
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 2: You know, because one thing I can't stand is Twitter activists.

631
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: People who go on Twitter. Huh, they don't do nothing

632
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: in real life but tweet about what needs to happen

633
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: or like what you need, not doing their job, and

634
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, okay, but what are you doing? Yeah,

635
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 2: And that's always how I feel, like I see people

636
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: talking about do this, do that? Oh, that person's whack,

637
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 2: this person is terrible this, but what are you going

638
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: to do now to provide some solutions or to help?

639
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's also like an interesting thing too, right,

640
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 4: Like somebody was saying to us, like Twitter is a

641
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 4: real place, but it's also not a real place.

642
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: Right. So it's like a real place.

643
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 4: In that you know, we come together for humor, we

644
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 4: come together to you know, tweet about scandal, We come

645
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 4: together to you know, like be activists as well, we

646
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: come together to like to be a community, Right, But

647
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: it's also like not a real place because somebody like that,

648
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 4: you wouldn't kick it with them in real life, right.

649
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: You could also like be like I'm done talking to you, right,

650
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

651
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: So it's also like a fine thing of how much

652
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: energy you give into it versus how much you're like,

653
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just let that rock and keep it pushing,

654
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I always try to do

655
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 4: a thing if this person was in the middle of

656
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: a town square, like this person was in the middle

657
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 4: of the street, where I'd be like, oh, they're really

658
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 4: interesting or what, I'd be like this this my fucker crazy,

659
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And so I kind of

660
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: judge it based on that.

661
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

662
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: It's like sometimes people go to college and they reinvent

663
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: their whole personality and what they did before.

664
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 3: They were like three books, go.

665
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: On Twitter and all of a sudden they are gangster.

666
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, see brother, what you need to do?

667
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: And another great thing that happened on Twitter was Zola.

668
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: Zola is incredible.

669
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: The fact that somebody could write a story that amazing

670
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: yeah on Twitter, and then it gets turned into a movie.

671
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: It's it's crazy. Like I always telling somebody, I was like,

672
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 4: I've been writing twenty years. I could never come up

673
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 4: with something as good as Zola, because I would be like,

674
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: there's nothing like this ever happens in real life.

675
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anybody did. Yeah.

676
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I can't see you going out

677
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: and stripping on the room. But I always say real

678
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: life is more interesting anything in her real life story.

679
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 3: You know.

680
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: I had a chance to meet her really, yeah, and

681
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: and host the movie screening for her and everything, and

682
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: it's crazy.

683
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: What was her point of view about all of this?

684
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I think she couldn't believe it either, Yeah,

685
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: you know, and some parts of the movie obviously were

686
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: not sure, you know, accurate to the whole story, and

687
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: there were people that didn't believe certain things. You know,

688
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: that's always going to happen because it's her point of view.

689
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: And I think the girl that she like, oh no,

690
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: had a whole different.

691
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: Of course, Yeah, of course, of course.

692
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: A whole different type of story. And then when you're

693
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: doing a movie, it's never gonna match.

694
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: No, it's never gonna be the real life.

695
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: A situation of what happened.

696
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 3: Now.

697
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 2: I know you have other projects that you're working on,

698
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: and one in particular that I was thinking looked really

699
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: interesting was Queens.

700
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so can you tell.

701
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: Me about that and what made you decide you wanted

702
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: to do a movie about immigrant women in New York City.

703
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean a show.

704
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: Yeah that was actually at HBO, So we're actually in

705
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: the that was actually a play by Martina Mayock, And

706
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 4: we're still sort of in the weeds of that a

707
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: little bit since I've left HBO, Like we're not as

708
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 4: involved in that anymore. But she's an amazing playwright and

709
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: that was an amazing and it was based off of

710
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 4: work she did. And so again it was just stories

711
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: that you don't typically hear, right, which I think is

712
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: the thing that I think I typically typically kind of

713
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 4: gravitate to are stories that I feel like the people

714
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: over there, like what is that person doing, Like the

715
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: person that you're not kind of expecting who to follow?

716
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: Right, Like that was kind of the appeal you.

717
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 4: To do Insecure, was, you know, here's here's a story

718
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 4: about a black woman. You typically, if this was a

719
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 4: normal sitcom, she would be like the fourth or fifth lead.

720
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 4: She wouldn't be the person you'd follow in their personal life, right,

721
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: And so to me, those are the kind of stories

722
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: I gravitate to other people that you kind of feel

723
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: forgotten about, which is the same thing about you know,

724
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: black Twitter is son of a culture that you don't

725
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 4: really think, oh has done a lot, you know if

726
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 4: you're outside of it. Obviously, if you're in it, right,

727
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: you know, you know what we've done. But I think

728
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 4: if you're outside of it, you're just like like, what

729
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: is this thing?

730
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: What is that? Oh?

731
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 4: I'm not really paying attention to that. But it's like

732
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: it's driving culture, it's driving conversations.

733
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: So yeah.

734
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: One thing I loved about Insecure just piggybacking off of

735
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: what you said was obviously it came from her series

736
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: Awkward Black Girl, but it made me feel more comfortable

737
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: with being awkward because I did so many awkward things.

738
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's how I am too.

739
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's so funny, Like I remember when we

740
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: were selling on a title for the show and the

741
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: head of HBO at the time said, I don't think

742
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: we should call the show insecure. Like when I see you,

743
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: I don't see you as in secure. I see you

744
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: as a strong black blah blah blah. And he was like,

745
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 4: that's the whole point is that you do seem like that,

746
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: but that's not how I see myself all the time, right,

747
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: I don't see myself like that, and a lot of

748
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: black women don't see ourselves like that. We don't always

749
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: see ourselves as the sort of you know, black woman

750
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 4: that's got it all together all the single time, you

751
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

752
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: It's like you have to act like it, but that's.

753
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: Not really who I am, and so you're dying yeah inside,

754
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: your clumsy as hell and so so yeah, so I

755
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: think those are the types of Yeah, so I totally agree.

756
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: So do you feel like you would do more documentaries

757
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: or docuseries after this?

758
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely would. I definitely got the bug to do.

759
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: I don't know what subject matter it would be. I

760
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: think it's just the same way that black Twitter came.

761
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: It would just have to be a subject matter that

762
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 4: I thought was really interesting or had something to say.

763
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: But a thousand percent I love this process. It was

764
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: it was it's long, ain't no money.

765
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: But that is one thing about documentaries, you know. I did.

766
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I did a docuseries.

767
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: What was it? What was it?

768
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: So this was on VH one and it was called

769
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: My two Scam Story, and.

770
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: It was, oh I remember that show you?

771
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jennifer Williams she got from basketball while she got

772
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: scammed from a guy she was dating out of her

773
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: range from her and some money and things like that,

774
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: and it turned out he scammed a whole bunch of people.

775
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: Because I love a good scam story.

776
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's were you following the Resa Tisa thing?

777
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, yeah. You know.

778
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: Somebody shout out to Kimosario shod me the other day.

779
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: She was like, girl, if you have RecA Tisa on

780
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: the show, call me up.

781
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: I was.

782
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: Actually wh I told you. I was moving.

783
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: I was packing up my house and while I was packing,

784
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: I had the whole thing playing.

785
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: There was a YouTube that had it all well.

786
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: All right now I saw that. Yeah, yeah, it.

787
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: Was on the YouTube like three and a half hour's long.

788
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Let me get this on.

789
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: And watch this, and you know, it's crazy to me,

790
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: that's such a talent to be able to tell a

791
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: story like that and have people captivated.

792
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: But it's just you.

793
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: Yes, it's hard, and you're like, hold on.

794
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: Let me get out of my car. I'm going inside.

795
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: I'll be back later, and we're like, come on, hurry up,

796
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 2: come back.

797
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 4: But that's but it's what like somebody said to me,

798
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 4: Zola Walks or Resa Tisa could run where it's like

799
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: that's real, you know what I mean, Like it was

800
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: a video version of Sola and.

801
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: On in yourccountability of the things that you're like, I

802
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: know I'm stupid for it this right right right, Like

803
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 2: I know I shouldn't have done this, all right, I

804
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: already get it, like I think for us being able

805
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: to own that, like all the signs were there, what

806
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: was I think?

807
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: Of course?

808
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: But again, that's another thing about black Twitter, right, is

809
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 4: that story gets amplified even so much so that like

810
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: her like she is an agent now and her team

811
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: reached out to me and some other people in terms

812
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: of turning that into a TV show or a movie.

813
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: So but it's like it's all because Zola makes that

814
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: feel real, like, oh, you can take this story over

815
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 4: here that blew up over here. It obviously has people

816
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: that want to see what happens, right and then turn

817
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: it into something else. So I think you're going to

818
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: see that happening more and more. And that really, to

819
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 4: me is the power of black Twitter. It's almost like

820
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 4: it's being like workshopped in a real where it's like

821
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: workshoping somebody's real life and the other thing in the

822
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: best place where it's like if it passes like the.

823
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: Black Twitter sniff test. It's for real.

824
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: Where is black Twitter at now? You think, because, like

825
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: you said, this article was in twenty twenty one. Yeah,

826
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: and so now it's twenty twenty four, So do you

827
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: feel like it's still as prevalent as it once was?

828
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's a little interesting, is you

829
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 4: know when we were making the dog, Elon bought the platform,

830
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: you know, so we're like watching it change in real time.

831
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: People really thought they were going to get off there too.

832
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: Everybody was like I'm leaving, I'm going to threads.

833
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: Yes, it was a lot, Yeah, it was.

834
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 4: It's so funny because the numbers show that people have left,

835
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 4: but black culture and Black Twitter buy and large is

836
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 4: still there. And I think it's because we feel like, look,

837
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 4: we don't like, you know, black culture is always being

838
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 4: moved and shifted around and kind of pushed around in

839
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: this country, and I think we were like, well, we've

840
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 4: kind of made this space, we've kind of curated this space.

841
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: Why do we feel like we need to leave right

842
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: in essence?

843
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: Right?

844
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: And if we did that for everything in America, we

845
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: would never be anywhere, right, And so I just think

846
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: the culture is still there. Obviously, there's you know, based

847
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: on the Kendrick and Drake stuff. Yeah, a few weeks ago.

848
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: It's definitely still there, you know what I mean. But

849
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: I think our energy to me is like more off

850
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: platform now.

851
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: I think you're seeing.

852
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: It in the ways that like, my kids are on TikTok, right,

853
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 4: they're on Twitter, but they moved through the world with

854
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: a black girl magic energy.

855
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: You know.

856
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: They moved through the world being like black Glass matter

857
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: of black boy Joys. So they're moving unapologetically off things

858
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: they heard or that were created on black Twitter, even

859
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: though like they didn't know until they saw the documentary

860
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: where all that stuff came from.

861
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because people have tried to make

862
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: a space for these black social media platforms, but I

863
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: don't feel like anything has stuck the way it could have. Yeah,

864
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know why that is because again, like Twitter,

865
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: I feel like it's as popular as it is because

866
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: black people same things that creators. You know, I miss

867
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: Vine in a way, but because I definitely was like

868
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: working on my Vine. That's why when TikTok came, I

869
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: was like, I don't want to invest my time into Yeah,

870
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, so but now I'm like, damn,

871
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: I'm behind because you never know, like what's going to work,

872
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: you don't.

873
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: You have no idea, You have no idea.

874
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: And it's interesting.

875
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: In the documentary, you guys said that MySpace too many

876
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: black people were there and that's why people were leaving.

877
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's really what happened.

878
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's like you know, which is

879
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: why they sort of created Facebook, right, which is like

880
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: you know Facebook O. He is Mark Zuckerberg and obviously

881
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 4: he was at Harvard wish to even join Facebook at

882
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: first he had to go to Harvard. Then you had

883
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 4: to go to an Ivy League school, right, So it

884
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 4: was already kind of creating this like elitist. Yeah, y'all

885
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: can't come over here, right, and so you know, but again,

886
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 4: that just kind of happens in the real world too,

887
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: and that was happening there. So no, I totally I

888
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: don't and I don't know why. Certain you know, I

889
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 4: think black culture likes doing two things, which is I

890
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: think we like having our conversations about things that matter

891
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 4: to us, but we also like being in the mainstream too, right,

892
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: And so I think anything that's gonna like feel like

893
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 4: it's just us in a certain way. It's cool, and

894
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: you can two things can exist, right, Like you can

895
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 4: go to those kind of sites and participate and have fun,

896
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: but you can also be like, but I also want

897
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: to see what's going on over here or over there,

898
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And so I think I

899
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: don't think it has to be because they get round

900
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: a monolith, right, you know. So I think two things

901
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 4: can exist, but I don't think trying to. I don't

902
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 4: think there will ever be like a captured version of

903
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: what that was, because it's so it's it's such a

904
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: like lightning in a bottle, you.

905
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: Know, you can't force it to happen. Things kind of

906
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: happen organically.

907
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, obviously Black Tutor sort of happens

908
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 4: with the rids of Obama in certain ways, with the

909
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: rids of the platform. And also people not really knowing

910
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 4: at the time too, like it's too much social media bad,

911
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 4: Like those kind of reports weren't even out yet, right,

912
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: it was all like being on social media. Now we're like,

913
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 4: oh wait, like too much social media is not good

914
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: for your mental health, right, so we're yeah.

915
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: What about your kids and how are you with them

916
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: on social media, Like, what are the rules at home?

917
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: The rules?

918
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 4: The rules are no phone or anything during the week.

919
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: Wow zero during the week. All school all like and

920
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: they play sports so they have practices and tutors and

921
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: things like that on the weekends. We try to monitor it,

922
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: but you know, their kids so but but it's really

923
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 4: I think, you know, they're all TikTok and like snapchat kids,

924
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: so they're all, you know, snapping and doing that. I

925
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 4: have one son who thinks I don't know what he thinks.

926
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: He is on Instagram, but he's like curates like he

927
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 4: has like five pictures. Picture is like like he was

928
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 4: at the premiere for the for the for the doc

929
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: and the hashtag was like bits and pieces and it

930
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: was like him in a suit and I was like,

931
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 4: what it's bits and pieces me. He's like, I'm just

932
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: like giving the world like bits and pieces up. And

933
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 4: I was like, calm down, man, calm down. Yeah, very cure.

934
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: Like he's got like five pictures. He's like, I'm not

935
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: trying to give it too much. So and my daughter

936
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: like snaps, I'm eating frosted flake, Snap, I'm drinking water.

937
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: It's just too much.

938
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: He's got like eight thousand pictures guy like five. So

939
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 4: it's all it's all a mixed bag.

940
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: I feel like everybody wants to be an influencer now,

941
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 2: like they think it's a great way to make money

942
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: and it's but it's not easy.

943
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: It's I know so many people that are.

944
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 2: Like trying to be influencers and doing things and trying

945
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: to cure it and trying to figure out how can

946
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: I monetize this? But it is something that you just

947
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: can't force, Like it's not gonna just it is.

948
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: It's a real organic thing.

949
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: I think it reminds me of evil when I think

950
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 4: about like like club shayshe and stuff. It's like, I know,

951
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: not everybody can do that, right, you know what I mean?

952
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: And now everybody can just be like, oh, this isn't

953
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 4: a career I trained for. It's just like I just

954
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: talked to the.

955
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: Most watched interview on YouTube ever in any category with

956
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: Kat Williams.

957
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 4: And if somebody would have told you this three years ago,

958
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: Shannon Sharp is going to have the biggest podcast, you'd

959
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 4: be like, what, that's crazy. But it's just organic, right,

960
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 4: And I think it's like when it starts to feel

961
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: super forced, it just becomes like, man, it's a million

962
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 4: of that, right. It's not a lot of us. Right,

963
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 4: It's not a lot of Angelou Ye's out here. It's

964
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: not a lot of you know, Shannon Sharp's out here.

965
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: They're rare, which is why they're successful, you know what

966
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: I mean. So I think it's just it's I think

967
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: when it feels super forced, it just is like it

968
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: comes across that way.

969
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: Now going into doing this documentary which is on Hulu

970
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: you can stream it, now, what was your hope that?

971
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: But what did you want people to take away from this?

972
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot.

973
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: I mean there's people who were on black Twitter, right,

974
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: which I want them to take away a sense of

975
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: nostalgia and just remembrance and love, Like man, we really

976
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: did that, Like we really and we're still doing that right,

977
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: you know for people like my mom and my wife

978
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 4: and people because we tend the thing on black Twitter,

979
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: like every black person's was on Black Twitter, and I'm

980
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: like they weren't, you know what I mean, Like my

981
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: kids aren't, my wife is. I have a lot of

982
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: friends who are not on Twitter like that where I

983
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 4: want them to know, like, man, I didn't know so

984
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 4: much stuff happened here like this, you know what I mean,

985
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 4: I didn't know all these movements kind.

986
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: Of were coming out of this oscar.

987
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 4: So like, I don't think people I think people just

988
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: think these things just kind of happen in a vacuum,

989
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 4: but they don't. Right, April Rain did that, Like that

990
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 4: was an intentional thing that had big, long lasting movements

991
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 4: and still and still does. And then for people who

992
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: are not a part of the culture, like just to

993
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: like to like to recognize, yo, when the culture is

994
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: saying something that matters, right, and.

995
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: It's not about seeking their validation or anything like that.

996
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: It really is like, hey, when the culture speaking, we

997
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: need to listen and that's important.

998
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: All right, Well black Twitter, Yeah, people's history is on

999
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: Hulu right now to make sha you guys support why

1000
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: it is nostalgic.

1001
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: So when you see it, you remember a lot of things.

1002
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: You learn a lot of history of things that are

1003
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: happened three parts. So I know, I'm you know, I'm

1004
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: loving it because like I said, I when I first

1005
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: joined Twitter, my brother made me join really and it

1006
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: was he's like a tech person and it was like

1007
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: kind of a space for musicians. I believe he was

1008
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: telling me there was like a lot of bands and

1009
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: musicians early on, I could see that that were on Twitter,

1010
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: and that's kind of what it was for. And when

1011
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: I first got on, a lot of people weren't on.

1012
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: There like that. No, it wasn't a lot back then.

1013
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: I actually got And Jalen Rose always says I'm the

1014
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: one that got him to join Twitter. Really yeah, also

1015
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: like Ryan Leslie, Nicki Minajo. Yeah, super early on when

1016
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 2: I was because I wanted people to go on because

1017
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: I had nobody to talk about. When I first joined,

1018
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: I done did everything. I was on Prinster MySpace. You

1019
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: was all on everything Black Planet.

1020
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: Oh, I see why you tired of tapping back there?

1021
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: You was, Yeah, you was on that. Yeah.

1022
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: But I enjoy it. I think it's a great way

1023
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: for it.

1024
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: But I think that people also have to realize you

1025
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: got to live your real life too, you do. You

1026
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: know it's okay to go on there. I'm on there

1027
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: for work, and then I definitely set rules for myselfe Like,

1028
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: when I'm not work.

1029
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: What are your rules for it?

1030
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: When I'm not working, I really don't look at it,

1031
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: you know. And then I honestly feel like I need

1032
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: to post more because there's things that I definitely want

1033
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: to highlight that I have going on.

1034
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: I keep it positive.

1035
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: You won't see me leaving like nasty messages or attacking

1036
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: people things like that.

1037
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen.

1038
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: And I also make sure I don't write anything that

1039
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: I never want to come back to me.

1040
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: So I would never go on there.

1041
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: And how do you do that?

1042
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: I'm curious, how do you decipher this is something in

1043
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 4: maybe three years.

1044
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: I'm not going to like.

1045
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't.

1046
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: I just don't publicly write things that I feel like

1047
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: can be inflammatory or nasty.

1048
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: I only write positive things.

1049
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: That's my rule.

1050
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: So if I'm going to go on social media, if

1051
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: I want to talk shit, it's with my friends in private.

1052
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: And it's not even on text.

1053
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: Okay, if I'm on social media, those are things that

1054
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: I have, you know, a bigger picture in my life

1055
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: of things that I want to do, and I never

1056
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: want certain things to come back to haunt me.

1057
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: So when I talk to kids, I always.

1058
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: Tell them, when you're on social media, be careful of

1059
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: what it is that you're saying and writing because it

1060
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: does live forever.

1061
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: It does it does? It does?

1062
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: You know?

1063
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: It's it's cool to be funny, but it's never cool

1064
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: to be like cruel.

1065
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: Tell I tell my son that Sating was like, hey man,

1066
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: it's gonna be out here one day.

1067
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: Like I mean, people.

1068
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: Lose, you know, get into college and get their admissions evoked.

1069
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: We've seen that.

1070
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: Man that was on SNL, I forget his name was,

1071
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 4: who got hired by SNL and then and then and.

1072
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: Then yeah, so it's just you signed to somebody and

1073
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: the next thing you know, they pull up the mold tweets.

1074
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: It's like, sorry, you gotta go.

1075
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, so just be careful of what it is everybody.

1076
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that, you know. Let's I

1077
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: try to keep it positive.

1078
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: That's my only rule.

1079
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm with that. I'm with that, all right.

1080
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: Well, Princess Penny, I appreciate you. Always a pleasure talking

1081
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 2: to you. Thank you, and make sure y'all watch and support.

1082
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: Like we said, it's way up