Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode three point fifty four.
Speaker 1: In this episode, as always, of What's Driving the Grid
Speaker 1: is presented to you by boost Mobile. A ton to
Speaker 1: do today. I actually fly out of town right after
Speaker 1: First Things First tonight for an event that I can
Speaker 1: talk more about when I get back. But it'll be great.
Speaker 1: I won't miss any podcasts. We'll be back on the
Speaker 1: air on Tuesday with our regular scheduled pod. And today
Speaker 1: we have a ton we're gonna get to. I have
Speaker 1: to help out my buddy Daryl Morey because he is
Speaker 1: being misaggregated and a bit, and so we will discuss. However,
Speaker 1: the comments he did make. The comments, he's not being misquoted,
Speaker 1: but they are being slightly misconstrued. We will get to that. Also,
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game tonight, So who are the no
Speaker 1: doubt Hall of famers playing? When you got to keep
Speaker 1: in making the NFL Hall of Fame, it's the hardest
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame to make, and so it's fewer people
Speaker 1: than you think. And that actually when we do that,
Speaker 1: that's one that you guys, if you're watching live on
Speaker 1: YouTube and like, rate, subscribe, review on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. If you're watching live on YouTube, you
Speaker 1: can help along because we'll go team by team and
Speaker 1: if you think there is someone that I have overlooked,
Speaker 1: and we do this once a year, and there's always
Speaker 1: at least one guy who's a no doubter or that
Speaker 1: I just like, Forget exists or Forget is still playing
Speaker 1: and not retired. So you guys can help us create
Speaker 1: our official list. So we're gonna do all of that.
Speaker 1: There's some other fun things we're going to do as well.
Speaker 1: Demand's a great to see you as always. It looks
Speaker 1: like a new hoodie mate possibly or just one I
Speaker 1: don't recognize either.
Speaker 2: Great I've worn before, it's just been a while. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, good to see Before we get to the
Speaker 1: real news of the day, as always, straight to voicemail,
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Speaker 1: NBA wants to expanded European footprint over the next few years.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that's because they might be dealing with,
Speaker 1: you know, a different front of a competitive basketball league
Speaker 1: war and they want to stake out some ground. But
Speaker 1: they might be also I'm not gonna get to been
Speaker 1: out of shape over Front Office Sports is Exclusive, which
Speaker 1: was what we told you guys on Tuesday about that.
Speaker 1: What I said on TV on Monday and then on
Speaker 1: this show on Tuesday about the Maverick Lebron Jokers agents meeting,
Speaker 1: that it was not about Lebron playing for the Nuggets,
Speaker 1: it was about the league that Maverick is attempting to
Speaker 1: put together. That's fine, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 1: got some details in it that I didn't not that
Speaker 1: I was not, you know, able to share. So there's
Speaker 1: no issue there. But that is a real thing, and
Speaker 1: that is something unequivocally to watch. Also, evidently cam Ward Demanse,
Speaker 1: your guy, called the Titans offense very mid. I've also
Speaker 1: decided cam Ward's your guy. I just feel like yeah,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, yeah, I think he's your guy.
Speaker 1: And evidently Tom Cruise not on a day armists or dating.
Speaker 1: I love Tom Cruise, I'm not as familiar with on
Speaker 1: a day armis. Uh. Good for them. I wish them
Speaker 1: nothing but happiness, all right, Before we get to Darryl
Speaker 1: Morey's actual comments, what he actually meant, and for the
Speaker 1: one million time relitigating the bubble, there was a story
Speaker 1: yesterday that was in the Sports World demonse that I
Speaker 1: don't want to give myself too much credit, but I
Speaker 1: think I might be the single best person in the
Speaker 1: world to discuss this topic, and that was Gilbert A
Speaker 1: Reenus along with five alleged Israeli gangsters, getting himmed up
Speaker 1: by the FEDS for running any illegal Southern California poker game.
Speaker 1: So I am going to be and maybe even take
Speaker 1: demons off the screen for this because I want to
Speaker 1: be very careful with what I say here. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like I have real insight, some of which
Speaker 1: I can share, some of which I can't. And just
Speaker 1: people that watch and listen to the pod, you know,
Speaker 1: I owe you honesty, and I also try to educate
Speaker 1: as best as I can. So I know Gilbert's already
Speaker 1: you know, made bail, and I think if you read
Speaker 1: that again, if you didn't read the story, it is
Speaker 1: the allegation is very simple that there was a high
Speaker 1: stakes poker game in southern California at a house Gilbert rented.
Speaker 1: They took a rake. If people don't know how you
Speaker 1: know private games work it, you know a rake is
Speaker 1: the house's cut out of every hand, so it is
Speaker 1: it is totally legal. If me and everyone involved in
Speaker 1: this pod came over to our house in New York
Speaker 1: and we played poker for ten dollars a man, or
Speaker 1: for ten thousand or a million dollars a man. That's
Speaker 1: actually totally legal. There is nothing illegal about playing card
Speaker 1: game with friends or associates for any amount of stakes,
Speaker 1: as long as you don't take a rake. The moment
Speaker 1: the house starts taking a cut, it becomes by literal definition,
Speaker 1: and illegal gambling operation. So that is what they are
Speaker 1: attempting in theory, to get Gilbert and these five Israeli
Speaker 1: again alleged gangsters for.
Speaker 2: All. Right.
Speaker 1: Now, the story also probably sounds if you read it
Speaker 1: a little more sorted, because it's like they're also were
Speaker 1: you know, women at the games who would be waitresses,
Speaker 1: plus massuses, and then the allegation heavily implies also sex workers.
Speaker 1: So here's why I'm talking about any of this illegal
Speaker 1: private card games with a rake and with potentially some
Speaker 1: sex workers involved are a dime a dozen. At any
Speaker 1: given night in New York City, there's at least twenty
Speaker 1: going on for real money. On any given night in
Speaker 1: southern California, there's at least thirty going on for real money,
Speaker 1: and they all fit this exact description. Catered food, a
Speaker 1: level of you know, for those who that's their thing,
Speaker 1: potential sex work, real money on the table, and the
Speaker 1: house taking a big cut. And these are they Also
Speaker 1: there are a couple app games that where people are
Speaker 1: raking tens of thousands of dollars a month. Okay, and
Speaker 1: this is not new, and this is not news. And
Speaker 1: this also and this is where I would be a
Speaker 1: little anxious. And I know his latest post made it
Speaker 1: seem like he is not where I would be a
Speaker 1: little anxious if I were Gilbert. These are not things
Speaker 1: the FEDS tend to care about. Now, occasionally these games
Speaker 1: get shut down by the DEA because security or somebody
Speaker 1: there is dealing drugs. And occasionally these get shut down
Speaker 1: because the sex work component gets raises to the level
Speaker 1: where people are worried about exploitation. But as far as
Speaker 1: the actual illegal gambling operation, it's not usually something that
Speaker 1: the FEDS are interested in. So the fact that they
Speaker 1: were leads me to think there is somebody one of
Speaker 1: these other you know, alleged code conspirators, or somebody above
Speaker 1: one of them, that they are hoping to get some
Speaker 1: information on and so I am here to tell you
Speaker 1: my call it semi educated opinion is Gilbert's path out
Speaker 1: of this is going to be an uncomfortable one because
Speaker 1: I don't think the Feds really want Gilbert Arenas to
Speaker 1: go to jail for allegedly renting a house and part
Speaker 1: of where a big card game was playing. I think
Speaker 1: the Feds probably want to know about the other people involved.
Speaker 1: That's a tricky spot. And so I saw Gilbert's post today,
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's out. I also think Gilbert has done
Speaker 1: a really cool job post career of building a new
Speaker 1: career and obviously his son who was dealt with some injuries,
Speaker 1: you know, and some scary stuff. But as a star
Speaker 1: basketball player, Gilbert seems to have a ton of great
Speaker 1: stuff going for him. I I do not think this
Speaker 1: story is anywhere close to being over, and I don't
Speaker 1: think we can revisit it. They said trial set for September.
Speaker 1: Wonder if it ever gets to trial. I don't think
Speaker 1: that this is going to be a simple, oh, all right,
Speaker 1: slap on the wrist situation, and so I would be
Speaker 1: I'd be. I'm a little nervous talking about it. But again,
Speaker 1: there is there's some target from the federal government involved
Speaker 1: in this. And it ain't no Chill Gill for running
Speaker 1: a card game allegedly, I promise you that. But they
Speaker 1: clearly think he can help not the spot you want
Speaker 1: to be in. So I I will say one other,
Speaker 1: one other thing, demanse and then all because this obviously
Speaker 1: was going around all of the you know, gambling groups,
Speaker 1: you know this story or whatever, and somebody somebody that
Speaker 1: you know what, I apologize. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: this little anecdote. I'm not going to I'll tell I'll
Speaker 1: maybe tell you off the air, but it was there
Speaker 1: were if you were a if you're a well, put
Speaker 1: it like this. If you're a gambler and you read
Speaker 1: the people who got arrested, Gilbert wasn't the only name
Speaker 1: that you were like, oh wow, so they got him?
Speaker 1: Like there there was, It was there. So it's I
Speaker 1: just I think there and I also think there's probably
Speaker 1: some people other than Gilbert that are a little anxious
Speaker 1: right now in that southern California home game scene. All right, now,
Speaker 1: let's get to act on more things I'm an expert in,
Speaker 1: which is Lebron James Championships go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yesterday was the five year anniversary of the first game
Speaker 2: in the Bubble, and it's still a huge debate on
Speaker 2: its legitimess. Darryl Morris said in quote, everyone I speak
Speaker 2: to around the league privately agrees that it doesn't truly
Speaker 2: hold up as a genuine championship. Yes, looking back, how
Speaker 2: would you measure the Bubble Championship?
Speaker 1: Okay, So first let me help out my pal Daryl,
Speaker 1: because I was shocked when I read this quote, because
Speaker 1: Darryl has publicly many times talked about how legit he
Speaker 1: finds that championship to be and how hard it was.
Speaker 1: And so when I saw it's one thing for you know,
Speaker 1: Legion Hoops or whatever, one of these kind of fake
Speaker 1: aggregators to post a quote to another thing for ESPN
Speaker 1: their social team to post, you know, end quotes. Everyone
Speaker 1: I speak to around the league privately agrees that it
Speaker 1: doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship, with the
Speaker 1: source being the Athletic So I'm going to read you.
Speaker 1: So I reached out to Daryl, and not surprisingly, he
Speaker 1: explained to me what I thought was going to be
Speaker 1: the case, which is, while he wasn't misquoted, it is
Speaker 1: being misinterpreted. So I'll read you the full quote and clarify,
Speaker 1: and but then I'll also give you my thoughts on
Speaker 1: what everybody seems to think. All right, Daryl says, quote,
Speaker 1: had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely would have
Speaker 1: celebrated it as legit, jitimate, knowing the immense effort and
Speaker 1: resilience required. Yet everyone I speak to around the league
Speaker 1: privately agrees that it doesn't truly hold up as a
Speaker 1: genuine championship. Pause for a moment. The privately agrees is
Speaker 1: what is tripping people up. He is saying everyone he
Speaker 1: talks to agrees amongst themselves, Like he is the outlier
Speaker 1: that says this was an amazing accomplishment, but everybody else
Speaker 1: says not so much. Where people are saying, and I
Speaker 1: actually understand why people are confused. They are reading it
Speaker 1: as everyone privately agrees with me. He's saying, everyone privately
Speaker 1: agrees with each other, and so just to and again,
Speaker 1: Darrel is my pal, But I also you know, he
Speaker 1: deserves to have his actual opinion out there correctly. He
Speaker 1: then went on say, this lasting legacy the NBA bubble
Speaker 1: is that the NBA should be proud of its leadership
Speaker 1: at both the beginning and the end of pandemic, even
Speaker 1: though the champion will forever be marked by an asterisk.
Speaker 1: And he again is saying there because that's the way
Speaker 1: seemingly everyone else feels. And so here is I said
Speaker 1: to you guys a couple months ago that the vast
Speaker 1: majority of NBA myths fall into one of two categories.
Speaker 1: Not all, but the vast majority. Category one is uplifting
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, and category two is tearing down Lebron James.
Speaker 1: And there is no greater example of that than the
Speaker 1: revisionist history on the Goddog bubble. So here is the
Speaker 1: accurate timeline of the Los Angeles Lakers winning the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty NBA Championship. Okay. In twenty eighteen, Lebron James was
Speaker 1: universally hailed as by a wide margin, the best player
Speaker 1: in the NBA, dragging a Cleveland Cavalier team to the
Speaker 1: NBA Finals with a playoff run that had an all
Speaker 1: time record eight forty point games, two true buzzer beaters,
Speaker 1: two game seven victories, one of which on the road,
Speaker 1: and what some consider the single greatest individual performance any
Speaker 1: players ever had fifty one to eight and eight in
Speaker 1: game one of the twenty eighteen NBA Finals, where with
Speaker 1: no other because Kevin Love was not was had gotten
Speaker 1: banged up the end of the Celtics series with no
Speaker 1: one around him against Steph kd Clay Draymont. That's who
Speaker 1: Lebron was in twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, he goes
Speaker 1: to the Los Angeles Lakers, who were in the midst
Speaker 1: of the worst half decade stretch in the history of
Speaker 1: their franchise, and is playing a game on Christmas Day
Speaker 1: when they are a top four as drug that team
Speaker 1: to a top four seed in the West and suffers
Speaker 1: the first major injury of his career. But at that moment,
Speaker 1: there was still no argument and no debate over who
Speaker 1: the best player in the world was. That offseason, they
Speaker 1: acquire Anthony Davis and instantly become the best the best
Speaker 1: team in the league. That Lakers team, pre pandemic, pre
Speaker 1: bubble prey with ad started the year twenty four and three,
Speaker 1: was running rough shot over everyone. Lebron James was the
Speaker 1: leading NBA MVP candidate, and they were the favorite to
Speaker 1: win the championship pre pandemic. So what we had was
Speaker 1: the Lakers had the best record in basketball, The Lakers
Speaker 1: had the best player in basketball. The Lakers had made
Speaker 1: the biggest trade an acquisition of any team that offseason
Speaker 1: with respect to what the Clippers had done, and they
Speaker 1: were the favorites to win the championship. The season then
Speaker 1: shuts down post shutdown, or right before the shutdown. Yeahs
Speaker 1: had you know, really gone on an unbelievable run, And
Speaker 1: the NBA MVP debate came down to two guys, Giannis
Speaker 1: or Lebron with hardened kind of lurking because Harden had
Speaker 1: made the Key and Westbrook thing work and that team
Speaker 1: seemed dangerous. And then we get to the bubble, and
Speaker 1: there is no home court which penalized two teams more
Speaker 1: than any which were the two teams that had earned
Speaker 1: home court advantage Lebron's team and Giannie's team, Lebron's team
Speaker 1: which won the West by four games, and Janice's team,
Speaker 1: which won the East by four games. And then the
Speaker 1: bubble happens, and the playoff bracket is set, and every
Speaker 1: single potential pitfall or matchup that people are convinced is
Speaker 1: a bad matchup or the toughest possible path hits the Lakers.
Speaker 1: We can now pretend it did not happen, but Dame
Speaker 1: and Portland were the scary team that nobody wanted to
Speaker 1: face in Round one, and the Lakers drew them with
Speaker 1: no home court advantage, and after losing Game one, dispatched
Speaker 1: of them in five. Then the Rockets with the one
Speaker 1: year Harden and Westbrook worked that Rockets team with James
Speaker 1: Harden being third and MVP voting that year and Russ
Speaker 1: the last actual really good season of his career on
Speaker 1: a at least that involved winning It's Round two. The
Speaker 1: Lakers get the Rockets and they lose Game one and
Speaker 1: then dispatch of them in five. And then you get
Speaker 1: the Denver Nuggets with a healthy Jamal Murray, who would
Speaker 1: not lose another playoff series with a healthy Jamal Murray
Speaker 1: four years, and Anthony Davis plays the best basketball of
Speaker 1: his life, Lebron James in a closeout game goes thirty eight, sixteen,
Speaker 1: and ten, and they dispatch of the Nuggets in five.
Speaker 1: And then in the NBA Finals, oh, they get a
Speaker 1: fluke of a team that definitely wouldn't have made the
Speaker 1: finals if not for the Bubble, the Miami Heat, who
Speaker 1: responded by the way to that finals trip by two
Speaker 1: years later making Game seven of the conference finals, and
Speaker 1: the year after that making the NBA Finals again, and
Speaker 1: in those finals, Lebron James plays close to perfect basketball,
Speaker 1: reminding people once again that he's still the best player
Speaker 1: in the world when he averaged thirty twelve and nine
Speaker 1: on fifty nine to forty two splits to finish off
Speaker 1: a playoff run where again the best player in the world,
Speaker 1: Lebron James averaged for the postseason twenty eight eleven and
Speaker 1: nine on fifty six percent from the field. That team
Speaker 1: won the championship. And then how did they defend their
Speaker 1: title when the bubble was done? The next season they
Speaker 1: started twenty one and six. Well they I mean they
Speaker 1: started actually eleven to three, and they had the best
Speaker 1: record in basketball or in the Western Conference was maybe
Speaker 1: the Western Conference or basketball the day Solomon Hill stumbled
Speaker 1: into Lebron's ankle and he got hurt. So before the pandemic,
Speaker 1: they were the best team in the league with the
Speaker 1: best player in the league. During the pandemic, they had
Speaker 1: home their home court advantage they had earned taken from
Speaker 1: them and got what people were calling at the time
Speaker 1: a nightmare path. Damon one Harden and rust In round two,
Speaker 1: Joker and Jamal Murray in round three and dust them
Speaker 1: all in five in the finals. People think, oh, they
Speaker 1: got lucky, they don't have to face Yeah, honest, they
Speaker 1: don't have to face. I think Toronto was actually the
Speaker 1: two seed that year. That would have been no problem,
Speaker 1: and they got this fluke of a team in Miami,
Speaker 1: except for the fact that Miami a couple of years
Speaker 1: later beat Milwaukee again and came within a jump shot
Speaker 1: of going back to the finals, and then the next
Speaker 1: year did go back to the finals and the best
Speaker 1: player in the world played peak basketball, and then the
Speaker 1: next season they start twenty one and six. The idea
Speaker 1: that the wrong champion was crowned, the idea that that
Speaker 1: was an easy or fraud or lesser path win. The
Speaker 1: only basketball, tangible basketball thing that was altered was no
Speaker 1: one had home court, and so the only tangible damage
Speaker 1: that was done to any of the teams were the
Speaker 1: teams that would have had home court throughout, and that
Speaker 1: was the Los Angeles Lakers. And every single person watching
Speaker 1: knows that if the Milwaukee Bucks, who were the one
Speaker 1: seed and had the league MVP, it's like the Lakers,
Speaker 1: who were the one seed and had the second or
Speaker 1: the runner up for League MVP. If the Bucks had
Speaker 1: won that title, there's not a person in the world
Speaker 1: that would be like fake title. If the I don't
Speaker 1: even know if the Warriors made the playoffs that year.
Speaker 1: I don't think they did. Certainly, though, if the Clippers
Speaker 1: with Kawhi and Paul George instead of absolutely mortifyingly folding
Speaker 1: against Denver, had won the title, no one be calling
Speaker 1: it a fake title, because ultimately that discussion is not
Speaker 1: about how real or fake a title is. That discussion
Speaker 1: is about dis either dislike or jealousy of Lebron James.
Speaker 1: And now our chat says seventy nine percent say yes,
Speaker 1: the Bubble title is legit. Our chat probably skews a
Speaker 1: little Lebron and Laker fan heavy, but you cannot say
Speaker 1: that the team with the bat record and the best
Speaker 1: player in the world with a very difficult path, who again,
Speaker 1: the team they beat in the conference finals validated their
Speaker 1: appearance there by winning a championship a couple of years later.
Speaker 1: The team they beat in the NBA Finals validated their
Speaker 1: appearance there by making the finals a couple of years later.
Speaker 1: You cannot argue. And then they validated it themselves by
Speaker 1: being an awesome team the next year before Bron got hurt.
Speaker 1: It's just such horseship and deep down everybody knows it.
Speaker 2: What's up to was like horse crap. It's funny, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw it in the rundown last night. You went
Speaker 2: on the RAMT. But I instantly thought, like, how many
Speaker 2: of those people that say that it wasn't legitimate just
Speaker 2: don't like Lebron And it's funny that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all it is. You can everybody knows.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that if the Clippers, who weres everyone's team
Speaker 1: of the flavor of the month that year and Kawhi
Speaker 1: had won the title, no one would be saying it
Speaker 1: doesn't count. And everybody knows if uh Yannis had won
Speaker 1: the title, because those were the next two favorites. It
Speaker 1: was Lakers, Bucks, Clippers were the favorites kind of all year,
Speaker 1: had won the title, no one be saying it didn't count.
Speaker 1: It's just so stupid, just so.
Speaker 2: Incredibly the calm court advantage, but obviously both ways.
Speaker 1: But it goes both ways, but it hurts the team
Speaker 1: that's damaged by it is the top seed. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's the and so it just such utter silliness. All right, Uh,
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Speaker 1: All right, demonse, let's keep going.
Speaker 2: Preseason is here tonight, starting all for the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame game with the Chargers and lines. Trey Lance is
Speaker 2: going to be starting for LA while you're why you're guys,
Speaker 2: number five ranked quarterbacks watching from the sideline. Which would
Speaker 2: you rather discussed Danny Parkins quarterback rating rankings or the
Speaker 2: game itself.
Speaker 1: Well, there's not much discussed with the game itself except
Speaker 1: Trey Lance did have If you remember an all time
Speaker 1: preseason game last year, I think, do you the I'm
Speaker 1: trying to pull it up real quick, the he gosh,
Speaker 1: darn it, can say maybe one of the producers can
Speaker 1: get it for me. The he had a preseason game
Speaker 1: where I think he had five turnovers and like four
Speaker 1: hundred yards. It was the the it was yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it was the here we go, I've got it
Speaker 1: right here. Trey Lance played all ninety three Gosh darn it,
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. I can't. I'm not signing up for the
Speaker 1: Shreveport Bossier City Advocation. Listen. I do support local news,
Speaker 1: but I can't pay for the Shreveport Bossier Advocate just
Speaker 1: to get this Trey Lance info.
Speaker 2: It's twenty three yards, one touchdown, five interceptions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I there we go, Thank you guys. And
Speaker 1: I also think he had like one hundred yards rushing.
Speaker 1: He had ninety yards, so he had he had four
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen total yards, two touchdowns, five picks played
Speaker 1: every snap. It was just a Tour de Force game.
Speaker 1: So that part is actually kind of exciting to see
Speaker 1: what he does today. But Danny's quarterback rankings are just
Speaker 1: an abomination, and it just begs the question why why
Speaker 1: do we play the games if they're not going to count?
Speaker 1: And again they are. I might be being a little
Speaker 1: harsh because the rankings are actually Danny's rankings go Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Alan Burrow, Lamar, Herbert, Stafford, Jaden Goff, Baker, Hurts. So
Speaker 1: here's the when I say they're an abomination, here's what
Speaker 1: I mean, Or here's here's what's unfair about that. If
Speaker 1: he's simply flipped Hurts and Herbert, they're totally legitimate ranking,
Speaker 1: And that's not I'm not saying that's how I would
Speaker 1: have it one through ten. But if it went Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Alan Burrow, Lamar, Hurts, Stafford, Jaden Goff, Baker, Herbert, that's fine,
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing crazy about that. But having Justin Herbert
Speaker 1: ahead of Matt Stafford, Jaden Daniels, Jared Goff, Baker, Mayfield,
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts for nothing other than vibes it's just
Speaker 1: it's just ridiculous. And so now you demons, do you
Speaker 1: have an issue with people who put Burrow ahead of Lamar? No,
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 2: I could see those. I can flip those on any
Speaker 2: given day. I feel like so I could pull Lamar
Speaker 2: before before Brow. I'm also not mad at Burrow being
Speaker 2: before Lamar.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at Burrow being ahead of Lamar. However, again,
Speaker 1: my job on this pod is to just be sports.
Speaker 1: The sports worlds ras ah Ghoul and you know, create
Speaker 1: balance in the world where there otherwise isn't let me
Speaker 1: defend Lamar for a moment here. It is unfair in
Speaker 1: my opinion to penalize Lamar for bad postseason performances and
Speaker 1: then lift up Joe Burrow, who the last couple of
Speaker 1: years has had nonexistent postseason performances, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that is it's a weird because you can't argue
Speaker 1: as great as Burrow has been was in the regular
Speaker 1: season last year, a lot of the MVP voters, all
Speaker 1: pro voters, a lot of people thought Lamar was better.
Speaker 1: And then obviously the year before Lamar was better in
Speaker 1: the regular season. Is Burrow was hurt and wasn't that
Speaker 1: effective early and Lamar won league MVP, and so the
Speaker 1: knock on Lamar's postseason performances. But Burrow hasn't been in
Speaker 1: the postseason, So like that one I do think is
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 2: Much of Lamar is my guy and you're ripping into
Speaker 2: him the other day on Tuesday. But as postseason success,
Speaker 2: I really can't argue, like that's that's fair. But how
Speaker 2: much of that stuff is Burrow's fault? How much of
Speaker 2: that stuff is Lamar's fault? As far as the postseason
Speaker 2: what happens, Like with Joe Burrow, You're saying he was
Speaker 2: banged up and then had a terrible defense last year.
Speaker 1: I just think, well, no, That's what I'm saying is yes,
Speaker 1: those are true factors, but I'm also not going to.
Speaker 2: Use it as a metric like when when ranking them.
Speaker 1: Well, no I I what I'm not gonna do is
Speaker 1: say after the regular season, Lamar is higher than Burrow,
Speaker 1: Burrow misses the playoffs, Lamar plays poorly in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and then Lamar gets dropped beneath Burrow, like the because
Speaker 1: you can't, yep, showing up to a test and failing
Speaker 1: it is still better than skipping the test. Like not
Speaker 1: showing up and so like you got you got more,
Speaker 1: you got some questions, right, and so like the and
Speaker 1: and so that's the so I listen, I don't think
Speaker 1: having Burrow ahead of Lamar is outrageous, but it's not
Speaker 1: what I would have And and then it starts getting
Speaker 1: you know, then we start figuring out where exactly do
Speaker 1: you have heard? And the Hurts ranking is really interesting.
Speaker 1: And I tried to make this point on TV yesterday
Speaker 1: and I did it kind of ham handedly, which is
Speaker 1: Eagles fans right now. And I get it. They're feeling themselves.
Speaker 1: You won the chance Super Bowl, you should absolutely be thrilled,
Speaker 1: But they kind of want the best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: They want everyone to acknowledge how utterly stacked their roster is,
Speaker 1: how great, Howie Roseman's done, how good they are, you know,
Speaker 1: in every way, shape and form. They want all of that,
Speaker 1: but they also don't want any of us to incorporate
Speaker 1: any of that into our evaluation of Jalen Hurts. Like
Speaker 1: they want everyone to bend the knee that they have
Speaker 1: the best overall roster in football by a mile, but
Speaker 1: also pretend like we think Jalen Hurts is carrying just
Speaker 1: a regular team. And so now I think Hurts has
Speaker 1: been clearly excellent in huge spots, and I think Hurts
Speaker 1: I think having Hurts ten like Danny did is too
Speaker 1: you know, a bridge too far. But I also think
Speaker 1: that it is you view it differently than if Josh
Speaker 1: Allen had won the Super Bowl last year with the
Speaker 1: team he had, Jalen winning it last year with the
Speaker 1: team he had. I just think there is some nuance there.
Speaker 1: Eagles fans, on the other hand, won us all to
Speaker 1: be like, you have the greatest roster in the league.
Speaker 1: It's Sakwan's a Hall of famer. How he drafts better
Speaker 1: than everyone, the best wide receiver duo, the best offensive line.
Speaker 1: And I'll also Jalen Hurts got no help, like, which
Speaker 1: is the you're not gonna You're not gonna get that?
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 2: Speak. Wait, where are you gonna be bettering on the game?
Speaker 1: First off, No, I'm not betting on the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame game. I will be betting on football this year, obviously,
Speaker 1: but I'm not betting on the Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 2: Oh but yeah, speaking of the Hall of Fame game,
Speaker 2: are there any sure fire Hall of famers she would
Speaker 2: like to play your flag on right now.
Speaker 1: So this is something we do every year and so
Speaker 1: and if the producers could just kind of create a
Speaker 1: running list in the dock and if we can, and
Speaker 1: if the if anyone in the chat thinks I'm leaving
Speaker 1: somebody out, tell me because like I'll give you an example,
Speaker 1: like I could. I'm not going to now because I
Speaker 1: mentioned it, but I could forget that Von Miller is
Speaker 1: now on Washington and Von Miller is a short you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But we'll just go team by
Speaker 1: team and try to do this. The Buffalo Bills, the
Speaker 1: Bills have zero sure fire Hall of Famers on defense
Speaker 1: and one and one only sure fire Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: on offense, and that's Josh Allen. And Josh was not
Speaker 1: a sure fire Hall of Famer prior to last year,
Speaker 1: but the unbelievable stats that now go along with a
Speaker 1: regular season MVP that puts him their hands down. Hands
Speaker 1: downs maybe wrong, but he's a Hall of Famer. So
Speaker 1: we're at one for the Buffalo Bills. The Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: have one sure fire Hall of Famer and that's Tyreek Kill.
Speaker 1: There is I think that ooh, this is interesting. This
Speaker 1: is interesting toa No too is not in two is
Speaker 1: not even anywhere close. No. I was thinking Minca MinC,
Speaker 1: but Minca Fitzpatrick is definitely not sure fire. And the
Speaker 1: the and let me just do something because the Dusty,
Speaker 1: if you're watching the First Things First Production Room, just
Speaker 1: tell Brew I'll talk to him about the Maury Lebron's story.
Speaker 1: We should do it. Even though Darryl's slightly misquoted there.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a thousand texts on this group thread about
Speaker 1: everybody arguing about this because I I can't chime in
Speaker 1: because I'm doing this. Minca is Minca has had a
Speaker 1: very nice career and he's a three time All Pro,
Speaker 1: so he has a chance, but he's not sure fire.
Speaker 1: Tyreek is sure fire, and there is no one else
Speaker 1: on the Dolphins that is anywhere close to it. All right,
Speaker 1: the Patriots, the Patriots have no one right like definitely
Speaker 1: right now, there's certainly no one on their offense and
Speaker 1: there is certainly no one on their defense. Now. Part
Speaker 1: of that's because the team's so young, so like that's
Speaker 1: not as you know, that's not a not to say
Speaker 1: the team has no talent or anything. But again, the
Speaker 1: exercise we're doing right now, is if they were to retire,
Speaker 1: are they in the Hall of Fame? Basically? And the
Speaker 1: Jets are in a similar spot. So in the AFC East,
Speaker 1: the shore Fire, active Hall of famers are Josh Allen
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Kill the AFC North right now, the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Bengals have zero. Now, jamar Is and Joe are on
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame trajectories, but they are not anywhere close
Speaker 1: to having established it, you know what I mean? Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Like if they Jamar's got to do
Speaker 1: this for another five years, Joe has to do this
Speaker 1: for at least another four years plus get some type
Speaker 1: of He either has.
Speaker 2: To or if he just won a Super Bowl like
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say, right, he either has
Speaker 1: to like clip an MVP, win a Super Bowl or
Speaker 1: just another like six years of these awesome numbers like
Speaker 1: one one or the other. So the Bengals have none.
Speaker 1: The Browns have one in Miles Garrett obviously, no one
Speaker 1: on offense. Sorry, Joe Flacco, you're not getting a look.
Speaker 1: He did win a Super Bowl and has a lot
Speaker 1: like big numbers, but he's not He's not there. Denzel Ward,
Speaker 1: not close, but Miles Garrett is already in. Miles Garrett, No,
Speaker 1: I said Flacco. Flacco's not gonna make it. He won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and he won the Super Bowl MVP,
Speaker 1: and he does have big counting stats. He's not making it.
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, six time All Pro, over one hundred career sacks,
Speaker 1: a Defensive Player of the Year. He's obviously in the
Speaker 1: Steelers amazingly, Demons, I think you have maybe four. So
Speaker 1: the Steelers have as sure fire Hall of famers A
Speaker 1: Rogers and TJ. Watt. Those guys are locked, right Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: who is on the Steelers now, I believe he is locked.
Speaker 1: And then Cam Hayward, five time All Pro, seven time
Speaker 1: Pro Bowler, A Walter Peyton Man of the Year. I
Speaker 1: think he's getting in. So that is four future Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers on the Steelers, which is kind of crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and are we the I mean it. So he's getting in.
Speaker 1: And then the Ravens. The Ravens have right now they
Speaker 1: have two with a couple guys who could get there
Speaker 1: or no, I'm sorry, I apologize. The Ravens have three
Speaker 1: with a couple guys who could get there. Lamar is
Speaker 1: locked Henry. Derrick Henry is locked and DeAndre Hopkins is
Speaker 1: going to get there. So and then the guys who
Speaker 1: could but have a long way to go, Kyle Hamilton
Speaker 1: and Roquan Smith, but those are they have three locks,
Speaker 1: and Lamar Henry and Hopkins. All right, the Titans have
Speaker 1: nobody the there's not like an old player on that
Speaker 1: team that I'm forgetting. The nine Jeffreys. Jeffrey Simmons has
Speaker 1: a chance, but you know he's got a ways to go.
Speaker 1: So the Titans where he were done with easily. The Colts,
Speaker 1: I feel like Quinton Nelson is getting in. Let me
Speaker 1: check his accolades. Quenton Nelson, five time All Pro, seven
Speaker 1: time Pro bowler. He's in. So the Colts do have one.
Speaker 1: Shout out Quinton Nelson. Jonathan Stewart's not gonna make it.
Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner is an underdog to make it, but they've
Speaker 1: got one in Quinton Nelson. The Jags have none, right,
Speaker 1: there's no one on the Jags I'm forgetting. Nope. And
Speaker 1: then the Texans, as far as guys that are already,
Speaker 1: they've already done enough. No one on offense, Joe Mixon's
Speaker 1: not made it. Nick Chubb's not making it, and their
Speaker 1: defensive players are too young. Chauncey Gardner, Johnson's not making it.
Speaker 1: Stingley and Will Anderson, you know you've got miles to go.
Speaker 1: Danell Hunter is not quite that caliber. All right, Now
Speaker 1: to the AFC West and then we'll do We'll see
Speaker 1: where we're at on the whole AFC. The Broncos again,
Speaker 1: I think that Pat s or Tan is building quite
Speaker 1: the resume, but it's too early, and certainly no one
Speaker 1: on their offense is has done anything close to enough yet.
Speaker 1: So the Broncos are out. The Chargers have no one
Speaker 1: on the offense, and defensively, Khalil Mack, I think he's in.
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack. Let me look at the career five time
Speaker 1: All Pro, nine time Pro Bowl, all decades. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: hundred and eight sacks defensive player er Khalil Max in
Speaker 1: Derwin James. As much as I like him, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's in yet. Uh So, four time All Pro,
Speaker 1: four time Pro Bowler, he probably needs a little bit more.
Speaker 1: The Raiders are true. The Raiders no one on offense obviously,
Speaker 1: and Max hasn't done enough yet. Max is creating a
Speaker 1: Hall of fame resume, but he hasn't done enough yet.
Speaker 1: And then the chiefs. Mahomes is locked, Kelsey is locked,
Speaker 1: and Chris Jones is locked. And that's the list. So
Speaker 1: in the AFC, the following players are in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. Josh Allen, Tyreek Kill, Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt,
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey, Cam Hayward, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 1: Quenton Nelson, Khalil Mack, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey, Chris Jones.
Speaker 1: How many guys is that five? Fiften? It's fifteen, I think,
Speaker 1: So we've got fifteen with again, you know, Morgan Minka
Speaker 1: is probably not making it. And then Burrow Chase I
Speaker 1: would imagine make it, but we can't call him locks yet.
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton, Roquant Smith, Patzer, Tanderwin, James, Max Crossby. But
Speaker 1: fifteen locks. And this speaks to why making the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame is so difficult in this league. So these
Speaker 1: guys are going to retire the you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of year coming up, and the only let five in
Speaker 1: and then guys who are waiting. It's not five new spots,
Speaker 1: it's like two new spots it's really hard. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's go to the NFC. The as Cowboys that are
Speaker 1: Lock Hall of famers. Right now, it's none. Dak is
Speaker 1: not gonna make it, and Micah is a great bet
Speaker 1: to make it, but is too young, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, there's nobody from MICA's same draft classes.
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, he's in the exact same boat where you
Speaker 1: think that he has a really good chance to do it,
Speaker 1: but is the you know, and oh and Zach Martin's
Speaker 1: you know, their offensive line hall of famers are gone now.
Speaker 1: The Giants, I I don't think Russell's gonna make it.
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence needs to do a lot more, as is
Speaker 1: Brian Burns. I think Russell Wilson right now is on
Speaker 1: the outside looking in. The Eagles are really interesting because
Speaker 1: right now, Demons, the Eagles only have one absolute Lock
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer in Lane Johnson. Their right tackle, Sequon
Speaker 1: is on track now, but needs a little bit more,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like just because he hasn't
Speaker 1: had enough great seasons. Aj Brown I think is on track,
Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts is on track. He's at he has
Speaker 1: an all Pro season, he has been to two super Bowls,
Speaker 1: he's won one. But the only guy on the Eagles
Speaker 1: that could retire today and get and be certain they're
Speaker 1: getting in is Lane Johnson and the Commanders. We already
Speaker 1: said von Miller, and that's the only guy. Von Miller
Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer. Oh no, that's not the
Speaker 1: only guy. I almost screwed that up. Bobby Wagner's definitely
Speaker 1: making it. They're inside linebacker Bobby Wagner's there's no question
Speaker 1: he's making it. So they're older guys and they're on
Speaker 1: their defense. But the Commanders have two. So uh and
Speaker 1: I again, I am I'm not. I'm only saying guys
Speaker 1: that so that the only guy that I've said is
Speaker 1: a lock that I actually think might not na he
Speaker 1: Walter Pittman of The europe Carrier and Cam Heyward again,
Speaker 1: you gotta be very choosy with the locks. Friend of
Speaker 1: the show and host of I hope he doesn't mind
Speaker 1: me quoting him on this. I think the best daily
Speaker 1: NFL podcast there is, NFL Daily. Greg Rosenthal chimes in,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson makes the Hall of Fame eventually, but not
Speaker 1: a Lock. Maybe I think he might need one more
Speaker 1: little push, all right, so let's keep going. I just,
Speaker 1: I just he was on a great Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: trajectory post Seattle, but it's gone so badly for him
Speaker 1: since then. All Right, the Chicago Bears, I think Joe
Speaker 1: Toney is now in. Joe Tooney, who has what does
Speaker 1: he have? Three super bowls.
Speaker 2: For?
Speaker 1: No? Four super Bowls? Four all pros. I think Joe
Speaker 1: Tooney is in, and I don't think anyone else on
Speaker 1: that team is a lock. I mean, obviously Caleb's gonna
Speaker 1: make it, but probably too early to call the lock.
Speaker 1: The Lions, that's an interesting one. Do the Lions have
Speaker 1: a single Lock Hall of Famer on the team? The
Speaker 1: answer to that question is no. As good as they
Speaker 1: are now, part of that's because they're so young, Like
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, they're so young,
Speaker 1: but and really on often I mean that they're.
Speaker 2: A younger team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would bet a lot of money that Panay
Speaker 1: Sewell eventually makes it. They're right tackle. But he again,
Speaker 1: he's in the same boat as Micah and Jamar, which
Speaker 1: is you just haven't done enough yet. The Packers, I'm
Speaker 1: quite certain have no have nobody. I mean, they're like
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark's been there forever. He's not a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame level player. Xavier McKinney's really good, he's not a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level player. Yeah, so the Packers have
Speaker 1: nobody that is a Hall of Fame lock, the vite man.
Speaker 1: This is tough. I would Justin Jefferson is going to
Speaker 1: make the Hall of Fame, but he has he probably
Speaker 1: needs to be a lock for it. He probably needs
Speaker 1: two more years. I mean, he's a he's four time
Speaker 1: All Pro, four time Pro bowler, and an Offensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. It's close, but if you were to
Speaker 1: walk today, he's not in yet. But he is as
Speaker 1: we can put him in heavy ink. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna include him on the list yet just because he
Speaker 1: hasn't played quite long enough. Jonathan Allen's not a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, so the Vikings don't have anyone. It's interesting
Speaker 1: right now, it seems like how many more? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: much of it demonte is because good teams are young,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like they're not the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Jake Matthews is not a Hall of He's been there forever,
Speaker 1: but he's not a Hall of Famer. And you know,
Speaker 1: quality player forever not a Hall of Famer, and they
Speaker 1: obviously have no one on defense, unless I'm forgetting Jesse
Speaker 1: Bates is building a resume, but he's not there yet.
Speaker 1: So the Falcons have nobody. The Saints have one who's
Speaker 1: going to be a Hall of Famer in Cam Jordan,
Speaker 1: I mean Cam Jordan. His sack numbers are insane, like
Speaker 1: the It's really interesting because he's never had like a
Speaker 1: twenty sax season. In fact, I don't even know if
Speaker 1: he's ever had a sixteen sax season. But he's got
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty one sacks. He's making the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, and do Mario Davis is not, and that's
Speaker 1: obviously nobody on that. Alvin Kamara, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's I don't think he's there. I think he is
Speaker 1: in the same boat sadly that my guy Jamal Charles
Speaker 1: is gonna be in awesome, but not quite there. And
Speaker 1: Harrison Smith, who Paul mentions two time All Pro, six
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, is nice. Don't think he gets in. It's
Speaker 1: too hard. It's too hard man, all right. For the Bucks,
Speaker 1: I the Bucks have one one guy who at this
Speaker 1: point is a lock in Mike Evans and no one else. Oh,
Speaker 1: Levante David Is he gonna three time All Pro? No,
Speaker 1: it's a great player, can't call it. Mike. Mike Evans
Speaker 1: is the one lock the Bucks have and the Panthers
Speaker 1: without looking I feel confident in saying the Panthers have nobody.
Speaker 1: So I mean Adam feeling very nice career, obviously not
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, and yeah, the Panthers have nobody.
Speaker 1: All right, Ram, this is an interesting one. I don't
Speaker 1: think Stafford is a lock, which means the Rams don't
Speaker 1: have any luck. Oh, sorry, DeVante Adams is a lock.
Speaker 1: Davante's getting in, but Stafford again Stafford. Stafford versus Russ
Speaker 1: is gonna end up being an interesting one that gets debated.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Stafford's a lock. I think he
Speaker 1: will get in, but I would not bet my net
Speaker 1: worth on it. The Cardinals do they have anybody the
Speaker 1: Oh Kalayas Campbell. Gosh, I can't believe he's still in
Speaker 1: the league. He was in the eight draft class. So
Speaker 1: kalay Is Campbell one hundred and ten sacks, two time
Speaker 1: All Pro, but six time Pro Bowl and All Decade
Speaker 1: and a Walter Payton man of the Year. He's getting in.
Speaker 1: Clay Is Campbell call him a lock. And now we're
Speaker 1: down to two teams. The Seahawks Cooper Cups not a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. They DeMarcus Lawrence is not a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer. The Seahawks have nobody. And the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 1: who you know, lost a lot of their kind of
Speaker 1: veteran guys. I think the forty nine ers only have
Speaker 1: two locks. Well, no, they know they probably have three.
Speaker 1: Trent Williams is a definitive lock, Fred Warner a definitive lock,
Speaker 1: and George Kittle's a lock. George Kittle's five time All Pro.
Speaker 1: So Trent, Warner and Kittle are locks. Nick Bosa has
Speaker 1: a chance and that's the end of it. So oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Christian McCaffrey obviously has a chance, but he's
Speaker 1: not in yet. Two you know he had it's just
Speaker 1: doesn't have enough healthy seasons. So here's what we've got
Speaker 1: in the NFC, Lane Johnson, Von Miller, Bobby Wagner, Joe Tooney,
Speaker 1: cam Jordan Mike Evans, DeVante Adams, Kaleis Campbell, Trent Williams,
Speaker 1: Fred Warner, George Kittle. In the AFC, Josh Allen, Tyree Hill,
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt, Jalen Ramsey, Cam Hayward, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, DeAndre Hopkins, Quenton Nelson, Khalil mcpatrick, Holmes, Travis Kelce,
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. So that means we have right now, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty lock Hall of Famers. Justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: who is going to make it, Jamar Chase who I
Speaker 1: would be shocked if he doesn't make it. You know, Micah,
Speaker 1: Saquon Burrow are all in Root, Piney Sewell is in Root.
Speaker 1: C mc needs one more great year, but it is
Speaker 1: it's just hard to make. Man, if you're waiting and
Speaker 1: you see these guys retiring, like, it's just hard to
Speaker 1: make the Hall of Fame. I hope that was interesting
Speaker 1: for the audience. I find it interesting. I love doing that.
Speaker 1: But in might.
Speaker 2: That you or was as I can?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I mean I kind of meant the
Speaker 1: I consider Justin Jefferson and Micah and those guys young guys,
Speaker 1: but guys like super young guys. No, the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame's hard. Non Jaden, no, Jade Listen. Jaden had an
Speaker 1: amazing first year Jamior Gibbs is an interesting one. Hard
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Speaker 1: the monse, Let's jump down to the Shadoor conversation quickly here,
Speaker 1: because we spent so much time on the uh, the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame stuff, we're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: get to every single thing.
Speaker 2: So Brown's owner Jimmy Haslim has distanced himself from the
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders pick, saying that the GM was the one
Speaker 2: who made that call and not him, So why would
Speaker 2: he wants stake on such a low risk, high reward situation?
Speaker 1: So listen, I think he is just trying to I
Speaker 1: don't think he's trying to distance himself as much as
Speaker 1: what he's trying to do is make it clear or
Speaker 1: at least clean up a bit. No, the GM's in charge,
Speaker 1: not me. Here is what I find so interesting about
Speaker 1: the Chador situation right now. I was not a Shadoor guy.
Speaker 1: I was one of I think the first people in
Speaker 1: the mock draft community that had Shador early in the process,
Speaker 1: slipping to the back half of round one, talking about
Speaker 1: that the Steelers might not need to trade up if
Speaker 1: they need to get him. I talked a lot about
Speaker 1: how I thought there was too much discussion about Shador's
Speaker 1: personality and not enough discussion about his lack of arm talent,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't look at him as like a
Speaker 1: blue chip prospect. So I was not a Shatore guy.
Speaker 1: And now the however, because of where he is and
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that he is competing with, I find myself
Speaker 1: feeling like they've got to start him at some point.
Speaker 1: Because here's the deal. Kenny Pickett is injured and not
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback. There is there is a zero percent
Speaker 1: chance Kenny Pickett is the Steeler's answer at quarterback. Zero percent.
Speaker 1: The Steelers, pardon me, there is a zero percent chance
Speaker 1: he wasn't The Steelers answer that Kenny Pickett is the
Speaker 1: Browns answer at quarterback, so cross him out. Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: is forty years old. There is a zero percent chance
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is their long term answer at quarterback, so
Speaker 1: cross him out. Dylan Gabriel, sorry, and you're not gonna
Speaker 1: like this, demase, he's too small. There is a zero
Speaker 1: percent chance Dylan Gabriel can be a nice backup, maybe
Speaker 1: a spot starter. There is a zero percent chance Dylan
Speaker 1: Gabriel is the Browns franchise quarterback three years from now, Shadoor,
Speaker 1: there is a five percent chance Shador is the Browns
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Got more than one, less than ten somewhere
Speaker 1: in there, when the other three guys are a combined
Speaker 1: zero percent, and you're gonna be a terrible team. The
Speaker 1: moment you know you can start Flacco to start the year,
Speaker 1: but the moment that the year has gotten away from you,
Speaker 1: you gotta play Shador. And that's the other weird thing.
Speaker 1: Haslam was like Andrew picks the players, Stefanski sets the rock,
Speaker 1: you know, decide two plays, but then also said in
Speaker 1: that same SoundBite, obviously, both young guys need to play
Speaker 1: this year. I mean, Haslm's not the greatest, Donar just
Speaker 1: just flat like.
Speaker 2: Both of them just saying that this year is like
Speaker 2: a waste.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like both young quarterbacks need to
Speaker 2: play this year. You kind of have an idea of
Speaker 2: what your.
Speaker 1: Season torect correct because they have two first round picks
Speaker 1: next year and they yeah, I mean, Haslam's a tough
Speaker 1: guy to work for. All Right. It's July thirty, first Demond,
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Speaker 1: I have to get to work. This was a longer
Speaker 1: show than expected. And then I am do you have
Speaker 1: Do you have big plans this weekend? Buddy? Just out
Speaker 1: of curiosity? You got anything going on? Just watching the eggs?
Speaker 2: Nothing huge? Yeah, one hundred percent. Probably will be stopping
Speaker 2: myself from opening the incubator.
Speaker 1: Okay, well again, my I'm on a semi secret mission.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you guys about it on Tuesday. See how
Speaker 1: it goes. But the same invite I extended to you
Speaker 1: three months ago exists again, So just let me know
Speaker 1: the same thing I leave tonight. I leave tonight and
Speaker 1: I stay until I fly overnight Sunday night Monday morning,
Speaker 1: so it's over again.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so just yeah, just let me ask me
Speaker 2: here go Friday.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, maybe all right? Might be in business,
Speaker 1: might be in business?
Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: my car that's waiting on me, that was blocking the
Speaker 1: fire truck. I don't think it was. I think you
Speaker 1: would have moved, but I'm about to go find out.
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys later. What's right,