Speaker 1: Megan, I am so happy about this interview, especially since
Speaker 1: you are our first reoccurring guest on the podcast. So
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming back. So things are
Speaker 1: having me back. I'm so excited. So much has happened
Speaker 1: since we last saw each other a pandemic, You had
Speaker 1: a baby. I was in high school, now in college.
Speaker 1: There's so much to catch up on. First of all,
Speaker 1: how's being a mom. It's the greatest thing ever. Um.
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be a mom, so I knew
Speaker 1: would be good, but I didn't know beat this good.
Speaker 1: And he recently got glasses and he's just I didn't
Speaker 1: think he could get cuter, and he's so cute it hurts,
Speaker 1: and I just keep going, Oh, I want more, you know,
Speaker 1: I want four babies. Four that's a very specific number. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. We're like trying to name the rest
Speaker 1: of them already, and everyone's like, are you gonna do
Speaker 1: like our names? Are you going to change it up?
Speaker 1: That's what I was like, We we have to figure
Speaker 1: this out right now, because we either have to do
Speaker 1: all ours or we have to go right. He's Lali's
Speaker 1: you know, like they all of this sound the same
Speaker 1: or something. Our biggest thing is we don't want to
Speaker 1: name him after anybody or name our babies after anyone.
Speaker 1: And we don't like if you know someone who's like
Speaker 1: a bad person with that name name, it ruins a name.
Speaker 1: So I'll be like, oh my god, what about this name?
Speaker 1: And Daryl's like I hate that guy. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so we have to both not know anyone
Speaker 1: in the world with that name. Do you go through
Speaker 1: the baby books? Oh, I go through the websites that
Speaker 1: are like unisex names, and like, I like names that
Speaker 1: could be for a boy or a girl. That's my
Speaker 1: favorite too, so I'm really narrowing it down, like Dylan
Speaker 1: or Sean or Ryan Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. My
Speaker 1: brother's name Ryan. So I'm like, I already lost that one.
Speaker 1: That's an our name too. I know it's perfect rip.
Speaker 1: I might deserve it for like a daughter, so cute,
Speaker 1: for a daughter that couldn't be nuts for a redheaded
Speaker 1: spy kid, that's it. Yeah, it would break your name
Speaker 1: after rule, but because it's a girl, it doesn't count. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we knew, right, I wanted a girl name Riley,
Speaker 1: but then and we knew the name, and then that
Speaker 1: they were like at the boy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: we're keeping the name. Was it a surprise? Did you
Speaker 1: know the gender? They called me at ten weeks they
Speaker 1: could do a blood test now sick. I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to know now, and she was like, actually
Speaker 1: it's a boy. And I was like, oh oh, I'd
Speaker 1: be the exactly anticipation of not knowing for nine months. No,
Speaker 1: I have no. I think people are crazy that they
Speaker 1: can achieve that patience. My mom did that with both
Speaker 1: of us, and I was like, how no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. And then when people are like, you just
Speaker 1: have to see the baby's face and then you'll know
Speaker 1: the name. Wrong. Baby looks completely every week. That baby changes,
Speaker 1: like you have a whole brand new baby every week.
Speaker 1: Newborns looks so different than the baby. Oh yeah, especially
Speaker 1: if you push it out there aliens for at least
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Like ruly, yeah, really was having
Speaker 1: a C section scary, terrifying. I've never had stitches. I've
Speaker 1: never had You're right, dude. I was like, I've had
Speaker 1: vocal surgery, but I was asleep this you have to
Speaker 1: be awake, you have to be awake, and they come
Speaker 1: out in seven minutes. But you hear everything, you smell everything.
Speaker 1: You I was like, am I going to be moving?
Speaker 1: They're like no, bit, I was on a rollercoaster. I
Speaker 1: was like okay. And then he came out and he
Speaker 1: wasn't breathing. I was like, where's that cry wasn't breathing.
Speaker 1: They took him to the nikki and they're like, dad,
Speaker 1: do you want to stay here with wife or do
Speaker 1: you want to go to a baby? And I was
Speaker 1: like you stay and the doctor was like you should
Speaker 1: go with a baby, and I was like, you betrayed me.
Speaker 1: And so he left and I was alone for forty
Speaker 1: five minutes getting so back up and you didn't get
Speaker 1: to meet him right now. I got to see him
Speaker 1: for one second and they took him away and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, that didn't go. I was so drugged
Speaker 1: up though that I was like, hey, he's fine. Were
Speaker 1: the drugs so great? But yeah? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: was at ease. Like my mom was like crying on
Speaker 1: the phone because she couldn't be with me because of COVID,
Speaker 1: So she was are you okay? And I was like
Speaker 1: he's good, Like I'm chilling, yeah, And then I talked
Speaker 1: about it like weeks after with my therapist and she's like,
Speaker 1: so you definitely have some PTSD, Like we have a
Speaker 1: little trauma. We're gonna work on that. That was a
Speaker 1: traumatic birth and I was like, oh for that to happen. Um,
Speaker 1: he was planning for a c session because he was breached,
Speaker 1: like he was not in any kind of position to
Speaker 1: be pushed out and he flipped right at the end.
Speaker 1: And I was like, did you know so? And I
Speaker 1: was like watching every video on how to give birth.
Speaker 1: I watched my aunt give birth twice. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm ready and then they're like C section. I was like,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen these videos yet, like my research. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would get an epidural. I have nothing to please.
Speaker 1: Uh no, you need it. I need it. I need
Speaker 1: that epidural. My friend Hilary Duff has home births, which
Speaker 1: you can't have any drugs for that. She's a hero.
Speaker 1: I want to be. I want to be around doctors
Speaker 1: just for like my anxiety. Me too. Write I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to be tubed up. I want the oxygen clothes,
Speaker 1: I want the nicky right everything just in case, because
Speaker 1: I feel like the worst case scenarios. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: go to death every time if I say good bye
Speaker 1: to my it's a problem working on. When I say
Speaker 1: good bye to anyone, I'm like, you'll probably get in
Speaker 1: a car accident. I'll never see you. Get it. That's
Speaker 1: how let's go by. It's a real thing I'm working on.
Speaker 1: That is actually really funny you say that, because I
Speaker 1: used to have horrific separation anxiety, and I would always
Speaker 1: I couldn't do sleepovers, and I would always think if
Speaker 1: I want to sleep over that I would either die
Speaker 1: or my parents would die. Wow. Yeah, and therapy helped,
Speaker 1: see and now I don't have those Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: We have a lot in common, Megan, we do. I
Speaker 1: feel you girl, stay in that therapy. It's amazing. Really.
Speaker 1: What's the hardest part about having a kid that no
Speaker 1: one told you about? I guess I wasn't warned a
Speaker 1: lot of like when they fall, like you have to
Speaker 1: You're gonna just watch it happen, you know, and you
Speaker 1: have to try to not go what baby, you know,
Speaker 1: which I do, and Daryl's like, calm, come, you know,
Speaker 1: they look how you react to Yeah, no one really
Speaker 1: talks about, like, I don't know, when they fall it
Speaker 1: hurts if they're in any pain, if he has a cold,
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh my god, you're as happy as
Speaker 1: your least happy as kid, which is real. What has
Speaker 1: been the most interesting part of seeing your son grow?
Speaker 1: That is just like, oh my goodness, he's like a human. Aw.
Speaker 1: I guess like the eyesight part, Like I didn't realize
Speaker 1: too when they're infants there like they can only see
Speaker 1: a certain distance, So that was bizarre, Like they're literally
Speaker 1: learning how to see and breathe and eat and swallow.
Speaker 1: Something that's so refreshing about Like what you post in
Speaker 1: your content is just that it's honest and you're not
Speaker 1: showing the easy parts, which I feel like is what
Speaker 1: social media is off in a highlight reel. So what
Speaker 1: made you want to get more into social media? Because
Speaker 1: you're you have the podcast now pick talk with social
Speaker 1: media expert. How what made you open up more and
Speaker 1: not those platforms? Um? I mean, I think like the
Speaker 1: pandemic showed me that we can work from home. And
Speaker 1: I enjoy working from home because usually we're on the
Speaker 1: road constantly, and now with a baby, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do more work from home so I could see him
Speaker 1: and be with him. So I think a podcast with
Speaker 1: my brother too. Was just like a fun extra way
Speaker 1: to have therapy with him. And we've had many family breakthroughs.
Speaker 1: So if you ever, like are struggling with a family member,
Speaker 1: just start a podcast and you just talk for an
Speaker 1: hour a day. It's great. What's the biggest thing? Being
Speaker 1: on a podcast has taught you? Um that there's other
Speaker 1: people out there that feel exactly how you feel. It's
Speaker 1: very nice. It's very nice. And it's like watching Ryan
Speaker 1: talk about his sobriety and how many people comment like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm going through the same thing and you talking about
Speaker 1: it really helps me. Like watching him see how his
Speaker 1: words impact others out there is a beautiful thing and
Speaker 1: it's like something and not a lot of people get
Speaker 1: to experience. So that was the best part. And I'm
Speaker 1: so beyond proud of him. I think he's the coolest.
Speaker 1: He's like my favorite person ever. So watching him become
Speaker 1: a better person because he's been working on it has
Speaker 1: been the best part of our lives. How is the podcast?
Speaker 1: Has it made you guys closer or has it brought
Speaker 1: some tension? Because I know working with family can bring
Speaker 1: some Oh, it's definitely made us closer. Well, I always
Speaker 1: worked with my family, so we're not like that luckily
Speaker 1: think thank god. Um, but he used to be my
Speaker 1: camera guy forever and he never was like I want
Speaker 1: to take pictures. I just like threw a camera in
Speaker 1: his hands and he was like okay, and he was
Speaker 1: like I'm not even looking, but sure. And I think
Speaker 1: over years of that, he wanted to quit and we
Speaker 1: got into a big blow up. Um, and that was
Speaker 1: like the last time we drank. So that was him
Speaker 1: trying to say I want to quit, but not like
Speaker 1: upset you. And I was like, I want you to
Speaker 1: quit and not freak out. So it was, um, this
Speaker 1: is a new lane where he's like working and he's
Speaker 1: in front of the camera and he is really honest
Speaker 1: with himself and it's helped him a lot. It's like
Speaker 1: the best therapy. He just becomes such a nice person,
Speaker 1: a nicer person because it was already great. I love that.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something about the podcast format where
Speaker 1: there's no like three minute videos where you have to
Speaker 1: like get him points. You can just kind of show
Speaker 1: your personality and for yourself. Oh yeah, I'm always like
Speaker 1: you do want to plan something, It's like, nah, we'll
Speaker 1: wing it. I'm like, okay, and we do just because,
Speaker 1: like we're best friends, so we can just chat all
Speaker 1: day long. Yeah. I love working on a podcast. I
Speaker 1: love your podcast. You're amazing. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're just talking about how human you are.
Speaker 1: We need more of that. Yeah, we're like working on it.
Speaker 1: The concept is like we're just working on being better
Speaker 1: humans in every category of our life. So we get really,
Speaker 1: really open and really honest. And I like that. I
Speaker 1: think it's harder to pretend to be somebody when you're
Speaker 1: in this business. It's like it's exhausting. So being myself
Speaker 1: people enjoy that, and that's wonderful because I don't have
Speaker 1: to pretend to be anybody else. Do you think showing
Speaker 1: more yourself on social media has allowed you to be
Speaker 1: more open in your songwriting and your music or they
Speaker 1: two separate things in your mind? Oh yeah for sure. Um,
Speaker 1: especially like this album I'm might come out. I came
Speaker 1: out with Bad for Me, which is like, um, a
Speaker 1: slower song, but a real situation that I had with
Speaker 1: my therapist with a family member and had to write
Speaker 1: a letter and send it to him and and that
Speaker 1: stuff is real and I wrote it the next day,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people I've seen on TikTok relate
Speaker 1: to that, and they they'll even say I needed this
Speaker 1: like ten years ago, like this song is me right now,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really cool to relate with other others
Speaker 1: like that. And I've been writing a lot about being
Speaker 1: a mom because I feel like moms aren't supposed to
Speaker 1: complain or cry online, and you know, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of stuff is hard and scary. Like
Speaker 1: we just found out he's not using his left eye
Speaker 1: because it's like, yeah, because his eyesight is that bad
Speaker 1: that he just wasn't using it. And when we discovered that,
Speaker 1: Darryl and I were like heartbroken because we're like, we
Speaker 1: had no idea this poor boy like couldn't see. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of crazy emotions that come of being
Speaker 1: a parent, and I want to talk about it because
Speaker 1: it helps a lot of people out there and it
Speaker 1: makes me feel like I'm normal. I actually had a
Speaker 1: similar experience when I was about four. My left I
Speaker 1: used to cross and I couldn't. Yeah, I had to
Speaker 1: use the eye patch and everything on my right eye
Speaker 1: to make it stronger. I had my little red glasses
Speaker 1: so I know the struggle. Yeah, there, and they find
Speaker 1: it younger now, so they can find it at six
Speaker 1: months old. So when he's a year and a half,
Speaker 1: he's a baby and he has glasses, and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: at least you caught it now, And I was like, what,
Speaker 1: I feel like, he's so young. They're like, well, nowadays,
Speaker 1: we can catch it earlier. But my brothers didn't get
Speaker 1: glasses untill they were like four, so they lived their
Speaker 1: life like walking into walls. That was me. I would
Speaker 1: literally My brother used to make fun of me. I
Speaker 1: would walk when we're in a hotel room and they
Speaker 1: were clear doors, I couldn't tell that they were closed,
Speaker 1: so I would just walk into the door because I
Speaker 1: just could not have that depth perception. It's so heartbreaking,
Speaker 1: and your parents, like they must have felt so bad.
Speaker 1: We just felt so bad. My brother was cracking up.
Speaker 1: He was cracking up, and I was just crying on
Speaker 1: the floor. But that's what siblings are for, that's what
Speaker 1: we're he for. Yeah, that's what they're here for. But
Speaker 1: I feel like growing up can be really hard, and
Speaker 1: I think it's really cool how you're documenting the struggles
Speaker 1: of being a parent because again, it's just not happening much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm even allow to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but I want to do it for you because I
Speaker 1: love you. I'm writing a book about pregnancy and like
Speaker 1: how bizarre it is and like things no one told me,
Speaker 1: you know, So what's the strangest see the open No
Speaker 1: one told you about pregnancy because I'm very cure. Um,
Speaker 1: I knew like you could have different skin like pimples
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I straight up got um perioral dermatitis
Speaker 1: where it's like dry rough patches kind of like rosatia.
Speaker 1: And I just thought I kept like burning my skin
Speaker 1: on products or like the cup brushes I were using
Speaker 1: where I was allergic to, so I'd have these dry
Speaker 1: patches and it was miserable and itchy, and I was
Speaker 1: like what is this? And later I found out like, oh,
Speaker 1: it can come with your hormone and balance, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, so there's like there's really strange stuff
Speaker 1: that I'm going to get into in the book. The
Speaker 1: women's body is crazy. It's crazy. We're amazing. We're the greatest.
Speaker 1: We're the greatest. I grew eyelids. Eyelids, did you know?
Speaker 1: Fun fact? That always like blew my mind. You grow
Speaker 1: the taste buds and the eyelashes and the third trimester,
Speaker 1: whoa sick? Did you ever feel the pressure of bouncing
Speaker 1: back after having a kid, because I feel like there's
Speaker 1: this big pressure on like snapping back into your same body,
Speaker 1: but no, like your body changes. I knew like I
Speaker 1: had a goal of snapping back because I also was
Speaker 1: my heaviest when I got pregnant. I was like in
Speaker 1: COVID gained a fift you know, like I was up.
Speaker 1: I was a hundred and eighty five pounds and that
Speaker 1: was my heaviest, and and I got pregnant and I
Speaker 1: went up to like to twenty and so when I
Speaker 1: after I gave birth, he los like ten pounds because
Speaker 1: that's the baby. But I got a dietitian after I
Speaker 1: was trying to do it myself and I wasn't succeeding
Speaker 1: because I didn't know how to work out right or
Speaker 1: eat right, and I tried to count calories and it
Speaker 1: was miserable, and I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: hate this. So I got a dietitian and she taught
Speaker 1: me like the beauty of healthy food and how few
Speaker 1: does food is fuel. It's not just like yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it could be a beautiful thing. She taught me how
Speaker 1: like we're all burning fires, right, and if your fire
Speaker 1: goes out, like you don't eat for a long time,
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel angry and miserable. And if you try
Speaker 1: to throw a fat log on that fire, like eat
Speaker 1: a fat, huge meal, it's not going to make the
Speaker 1: fire go up. You're just gonna like give yourself a
Speaker 1: tummy ache. So she taught me, like, you have to
Speaker 1: eat snacks all day and you have to like always
Speaker 1: eat when you're hungry. And I was like, wow, I
Speaker 1: thought it was like starve, you know. So she taught me,
Speaker 1: I love healthy food and I lost like sick steve pounds.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, I'm like one, wait, I weigh one
Speaker 1: fifty seven now and when I was when I got
Speaker 1: practice five. So I'm like the healthiest I've ever been.
Speaker 1: As long as you feel good, that's what matters. And
Speaker 1: something I never thought I would struggle with was food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would go through those cycles. I think being on
Speaker 1: social media really exacerbated it, where I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work out, I'm gonna eat right, and then
Speaker 1: it would get to the point where I also go
Speaker 1: c D, which I think dieting for me not good,
Speaker 1: and I would be like, oh my goodness, there are
Speaker 1: too many calories and strawberry and right when that happened,
Speaker 1: I was like, I think we have an issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's scary and it's it's it can really mess with
Speaker 1: your mind. So my dietician taught me, She's like, we're
Speaker 1: not going to weigh this week, it doesn't matter, Like
Speaker 1: do you feel good? And I'd be like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel great. Yeah, And that's how we do it. And
Speaker 1: she's just so good. She also specializes with like teenagers
Speaker 1: or anyone with a eating disorder. Um. But she told
Speaker 1: me to that like a ten year old boy came
Speaker 1: in with like anorexia, Like it's it's kind of spiking
Speaker 1: again and I think it's social media and it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: But she's like having her specialized in that too really
Speaker 1: helps me out because she makes sure like are you happy,
Speaker 1: are you talking to your therapists? Is everything okay? How
Speaker 1: is your week been? So she changed my life. Her
Speaker 1: name is Christie Christie. She changed my life forever and
Speaker 1: changed my bad habits. I wasn't taking care of myself
Speaker 1: and now I am that's so important and it's it's
Speaker 1: really hard to get yourself to that point to fully
Speaker 1: love yourself. And I feel like we're also on that journey.
Speaker 1: What advice do you have for little tips and tricks
Speaker 1: to get through the day to stay more positive and confident? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: I have I've heard so many things, but I mean
Speaker 1: self talk, like being positive. I know it's hard, but
Speaker 1: so hard. The more negative, the negative you are, like,
Speaker 1: the more your brain heres that like fourteen thousand times
Speaker 1: over and over again, so you're just bullying yourself. Um.
Speaker 1: And my therapist had me look in the mirror for
Speaker 1: five minutes a day naked and just look at myself,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I hate this, Like it was
Speaker 1: the hardest. Day one was the hardest thing ever. Day
Speaker 1: three I was like, huh, yeah, you start, it starts
Speaker 1: turning and you see the that it's working. So Um,
Speaker 1: it's all starts with you working on yourself and it's
Speaker 1: very hard to do, but it's a thing. I'm working
Speaker 1: on it every day. That sounds like what I used
Speaker 1: to do exposure therapy, where it's essentially just doing your
Speaker 1: biggest fears and then just going straight into it. And
Speaker 1: it's a fact Oprah Toppy that one. Yeah, whatever scares
Speaker 1: you, you you should probably do it, like okay, And I
Speaker 1: had to do a TV show right after I gave birth.
Speaker 1: I had like, um three months off and which is
Speaker 1: like the normal of what they have now because America
Speaker 1: is crazy. But I was like, I'm gonna be on
Speaker 1: television that like gains ten pounds no matter what. And
Speaker 1: it was a food program, so I had to eat
Speaker 1: food all day. Top set failed me style to check
Speaker 1: it out, and I'm like, I was like pumping during
Speaker 1: breaks and then I was like eating their food and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I was really on a like
Speaker 1: on on a program and I was really looking forward
Speaker 1: to not doing this. But I'm the only woman in
Speaker 1: history who's lost weight on that show. Because it's all
Speaker 1: about moderation. That's what that show taught me, is like
Speaker 1: I can eat whatever I want as long as it's whittle.
Speaker 1: That's a fun fact. Fun fact. Yeah, everything moderation. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: actually on set, it was like all women and they
Speaker 1: were so they took care of me, and one was
Speaker 1: pregnant like literally every day. I was like, oh girl,
Speaker 1: you're a hero. Okay, let's take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: when we come back, I'm going to talk about being
Speaker 1: a woman in America these days, all the different thousands
Speaker 1: of music you're bringing in your new album, how hard
Speaker 1: but beneficial it is, cutting out toxic relationships out of
Speaker 1: your life, and so much more. We'll be right fact
Speaker 1: and we're back. It's really hard to be a woman nowadays,
Speaker 1: especially in America, And I just want to thank you
Speaker 1: also for posting and talking on social media about what's
Speaker 1: happening with the Supreme Court and Ruby Wade, because it's
Speaker 1: more people should talk about it, and it's a really
Speaker 1: hard thing. So thank you for saying something. I know.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for saying that I got a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't get a lot of hate comments or I
Speaker 1: don't look for them, but that one I got a
Speaker 1: lot of nasty stuff. And it's not even like hate comments.
Speaker 1: This this ship was evil. It was like, well, at
Speaker 1: least you didn't abort your beautiful song. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness. So I turned off the comments and
Speaker 1: life is much better. But at that day, I was
Speaker 1: releasing my song that day, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this sucks, you know, And I wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: I wasn't posting about me, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I really have to say something, and this is terrible,
Speaker 1: and it's We're supposed to be land of the free
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like it. It really doesn't. I
Speaker 1: did a post it's scary to be a woman. But
Speaker 1: hopefully by having these conversations and talking about it, we
Speaker 1: can change the stigma that I don't know where it
Speaker 1: came from. Yeah, it's like we're going backwards. I don't
Speaker 1: get it. I'm in college right now, and I'm very
Speaker 1: scared and just I'm an anxious person, but like adding
Speaker 1: the social aspect and knowing that my rights aren't secured.
Speaker 1: Its like in some places, like birth control is being
Speaker 1: taken away, and it's like there's so many medical reasons
Speaker 1: why we need all these things and they're not thinking
Speaker 1: about that. It's very, very frustrating. And my friend and
Speaker 1: I joke all the time, like should we go to Canada?
Speaker 1: Like she would just late to go to Canada. Now
Speaker 1: there's a dawn devout a house. Um yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: scary and hopefully something good will happen because we're just
Speaker 1: going the wrong way. Just to switch topics a little bit,
Speaker 1: I have really noticed about your music and this next
Speaker 1: album is you're changing up the style. You're just trying
Speaker 1: out different styles, different dramas, and I love it, yes, ma'am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was going really pop for a while there because
Speaker 1: I love pop and I love this is still pop music.
Speaker 1: But I did want to bring in my elements from
Speaker 1: my first album. I keep telling people it's like title
Speaker 1: two point oh um if title grew up, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's so you'll hear like the duop vibes that
Speaker 1: everyone loves. And I tried to go songwriting first, So
Speaker 1: songs like Superwomen are very like people call my Dolly
Speaker 1: parton song um, and that's I was really proud of
Speaker 1: that because my whole life, like my favorite thing in
Speaker 1: life is songwriting. So when I'm improving there, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm winning, you know, like I'm doing the best. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I like the practice finally made it through, you know.
Speaker 1: And so these songs are very powerful and I think
Speaker 1: my best songwriting yet. I know it too because I've
Speaker 1: experienced life more and I think there there's that balance
Speaker 1: where to write about life you have to experience it
Speaker 1: and not just focus on writing. So what has that
Speaker 1: process been to not focus on like if the song
Speaker 1: is going to be vial, but focus on improving the
Speaker 1: writing and becoming the best art is for yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the best part about writing a whole album
Speaker 1: and a project is that you can You can't have
Speaker 1: songs like what it's really because I have a platform.
Speaker 1: It's like what do I want to say? And then
Speaker 1: being a mom, I was like, well, I want to say,
Speaker 1: like this is hard and like and everyone was interviewing
Speaker 1: me at the time and they're like, you're still positive,
Speaker 1: it's so happy and you're like, how do you do it?
Speaker 1: You're so confident, And I was like, no, dude, I
Speaker 1: write these songs because I'm just in my head, like
Speaker 1: I see a therapist every week. I'm on antidepressants, Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm here and I'm working my booty on working
Speaker 1: on it. I'm working on it, but you gotta work
Speaker 1: on it. And that's My songs are my therapy. Like
Speaker 1: my songs are me admitting like not everything is perfect
Speaker 1: over here, you know, um, especially bad for me. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that would be a single. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that the first that's like a real personal thing that's
Speaker 1: happening in my family that my family members are like,
Speaker 1: that's going first. I'm like, it's like I was just
Speaker 1: trying to work through something that her. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to cope over here, I'm just coping. So yeah, this
Speaker 1: album had a lot of heart, and I think like
Speaker 1: the last song on the album, called Final Breath is
Speaker 1: literally um the movie The Notebook, because I tell Darryl, like,
Speaker 1: that's how we're gonna die, like holding hands in bed Old.
Speaker 1: That's so bittersweet and romantic at the same time. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I have an impending doom fear of death. So
Speaker 1: that's the album for sure. Oh yeah, yeah, I've always
Speaker 1: been terrified. It's the unknown of it. It's the unknowing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to like, I'm going to a haunted mansion
Speaker 1: with the podcast at the end of this month to
Speaker 1: hopefully see a ghost so that I know I could
Speaker 1: stick around after I pass, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And I want to know that I could still chill
Speaker 1: with my kids. Do you believe in ghosts? I want
Speaker 1: you so bad. I just haven't seen one, but I
Speaker 1: love watching the videos online. I'm like, I might be real,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like skeptical, but I'm like, but like,
Speaker 1: if it were real, that'd be pretty crazy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's so wonderful to know that I get chilly here
Speaker 1: and haunt everyone. Yeah, that's what I'm hoping for. Manifest, Manifest, Manifest, Manifest, Manifest,
Speaker 1: Hunt Forever do you manifest? I guess so, but not
Speaker 1: like intentionally, like wake up. Yeah. I'll say stuff like
Speaker 1: we're gonna write a book one day, you know, and
Speaker 1: then I'm doing it, or like we're gonna have four kids,
Speaker 1: four kids for kids, you know that's gonna happen. I'm
Speaker 1: always I want twins too, so I get a two
Speaker 1: for one deal and I'm like, damn, we're gonna have twins.
Speaker 1: And I already had a C section. So there's like
Speaker 1: a target like my head. Just open it right back up.
Speaker 1: We'll get him out safely, you know. So that's a dream.
Speaker 1: Something that I really love about the song Bad for
Speaker 1: Me is how honest it is. There are so few
Speaker 1: songs that talk about the hard stuff, the hard stuff
Speaker 1: and the toxicity that relationships can form. And just because
Speaker 1: it was amazing at one point doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 1: still meant to go on. Do you struggle with that? Also?
Speaker 1: Cutting relationships if it gets a little toxic. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got it from my mom. Wh just I feel
Speaker 1: so bad. We were in therapy yesterday. I dragged my
Speaker 1: mom to therapy and she was like, you guys, feel
Speaker 1: like you're responsible for everyone's feelings huh. And I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, ding ding ding, like I have to make
Speaker 1: sure everyone's happy and like and my mom is the
Speaker 1: same way, so I got it from her. Um, She's like,
Speaker 1: you're not really responsible for everyone's happiness, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: not up to you. And I was like, oh, so,
Speaker 1: like yeah, this situation when you have a family member,
Speaker 1: it's so hard because I've cut off friends and I've
Speaker 1: seen the benefits and like seeing, oh my god, life
Speaker 1: is so much easier, um and better and um I
Speaker 1: think like Meryl Streep said something like that, like if
Speaker 1: they're toxic, then they need to be out of your life.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll do what every say Meryl
Speaker 1: Streep and oprah, Um, there's just like soul suckers, you know.
Speaker 1: But um, when it's family, it's harder, man, because they're
Speaker 1: not chosen and they're they're like they're blood and you
Speaker 1: have to see them every Christmas and and it's really
Speaker 1: difficult to try to ask them like, Okay, this isn't
Speaker 1: good for me. We need space or we need time,
Speaker 1: especially when you write out a beautiful letter and get
Speaker 1: no response. Like that really sucked, but it it told
Speaker 1: me like what I'm doing is right, you know, like
Speaker 1: when they show who they are, that's who they are,
Speaker 1: believe them. I went through that and I wrote a
Speaker 1: letter to a family member a few months ago, and
Speaker 1: I never sent it. Really I did because I knew
Speaker 1: there was going to be no response, So I just
Speaker 1: wrote it and I got all the closure from that.
Speaker 1: You know what I have? My team is so smart.
Speaker 1: They did this honestly. Um they made a website for me,
Speaker 1: a campaign for the song. My therapist told me to
Speaker 1: dot co or you can literally go write an anonymous
Speaker 1: letter and just like blasted out. That's amazing, so smart.
Speaker 1: I was like, we have to take one more quick break,
Speaker 1: but when we come back, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: how therapist impacted your life, your marriage and going back
Speaker 1: on tour. We'll be right back and we're back. How
Speaker 1: long have you been in therapy? A couple of years now.
Speaker 1: But I got a new therapist that like because that's
Speaker 1: the thing. If you have one bad therapy session, you
Speaker 1: just like I hate it. My family and my parents
Speaker 1: are in that generation where they're like, I don't need therapy.
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. I'm like, you need so much therapy.
Speaker 1: It's insane if you're saying that you need therapy. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So I got this therapist though that specializes in like
Speaker 1: moms who work and who are famous too, So I
Speaker 1: got the Jackpod. Like yeah, she but other than that,
Speaker 1: she's like she's such a genius. Everything she asked me
Speaker 1: questions like nobody does that in therapy. She's like when
Speaker 1: she asked me, like, wow, that's that's crazy. Are you
Speaker 1: responsible for everyone's happiness and like their life and how
Speaker 1: they turn out? Like it's like maybe, I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I could be, but I don't know. Yeah, she's good.
Speaker 1: I'm in a new thing is where I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: looking for a therapist. It's hard. It's like dating. It
Speaker 1: is like dating, and that was I'm having no luck
Speaker 1: in that area either because I have you will I promise.
Speaker 1: I heard bumble is really good. I heard bumbles great.
Speaker 1: I've tried core stories. Also, like there's still that the
Speaker 1: if your friend knows someone that works that works for me.
Speaker 1: I asked my friend. I was like, do you know
Speaker 1: any guys who are like really nice? I just want
Speaker 1: a nice guy. And then I met him. Was like,
Speaker 1: we're getting married. I love that story. How long have
Speaker 1: you been married for? Now? We've known each other now,
Speaker 1: we dated started six years ago. We had just had
Speaker 1: our date anniversary July one, and um, we've been married
Speaker 1: for three years now. How's how's the marriage life? Is
Speaker 1: it different than you saw? No, it's like exactly what
Speaker 1: I thought. It's amazing. But it's better than I thought
Speaker 1: it would be. I thought I'd marry like some douche
Speaker 1: and I'd have to train him. But he's such a
Speaker 1: softy and he's so emotional and it's so good for
Speaker 1: us because he like cares extra Like on Mother's Day,
Speaker 1: he wrote me a card and then he'll write a
Speaker 1: card from Riley Like he's he's a softie. He's really
Speaker 1: really cute, and he would write before had babies, he'd
Speaker 1: write every card from my dogs. It's like I have
Speaker 1: Mother's Day, mom, we love you, things to take care
Speaker 1: of us. I was like, yeah, he's one of those
Speaker 1: so like but now I feel like I have to
Speaker 1: preach to the world, like don't settle. There's really good
Speaker 1: men out there, you know. It's hard. I feel like
Speaker 1: something that has blown my mind at college is that
Speaker 1: people only, at least what I've experienced, ask for Snapchat.
Speaker 1: Where did phone numbers go? That's so weird, And they
Speaker 1: don't even everything is on snap text or Snapchat, and
Speaker 1: no conversations are just photos. I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see your face. I'm not even on stampchat again.
Speaker 1: I gotta get back on there. I feel like social
Speaker 1: media's ruined, ruined, ruined dating because my older brother, he's
Speaker 1: like almost thirty, and he's with his friends and his
Speaker 1: friends like, oh my god, that girl is so beautiful,
Speaker 1: Like I would do anything to date her, and he's like,
Speaker 1: gotta say hi, and he's like, what, I can't talk
Speaker 1: to her in person. It's like, I'll just like find
Speaker 1: her on Instagram. I was like, Ryan's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: go for in person over a d M always just
Speaker 1: d m R. Yeah. That's one of the things about
Speaker 1: social media where I find if I'm on it for
Speaker 1: too long, I need to get off. Yeah, we take
Speaker 1: breaks for sure. Something else that I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you about is that I know you've written songs
Speaker 1: for so many artists. We talked about this in the
Speaker 1: last episode. I was very curious to know. Is the
Speaker 1: songwriting process when you're writing for someone else, how does
Speaker 1: it differ from when you're writing for yourself. It's always different. Um,
Speaker 1: recently I've been writing for uh. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to say this, screw it. I've been writing
Speaker 1: for Judges Siwa and she's my friend, so it's different
Speaker 1: that way where she's like like she comes over to
Speaker 1: my house and we have a full session and she
Speaker 1: gives me ideas and she writes with me. So like
Speaker 1: in that world, I'm writing with the artists. But in
Speaker 1: other worlds, I'll have songs that are just banked that
Speaker 1: didn't really make sense with my album, and I have
Speaker 1: a bunch of extra ones um and but some are
Speaker 1: so special and they're like, oh God, that needs a home,
Speaker 1: and we always say, like that needs a really good home,
Speaker 1: so um, we'll pitch stuff like that. Or the producers
Speaker 1: I've written with who have those songs that aren't out there,
Speaker 1: like can we pitch them? So I have like I think, um,
Speaker 1: a K pop girl I think is about to cut
Speaker 1: one of my extra songs that I had. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: more home for them to go to. Yeah, it's so random,
Speaker 1: and it's my dreams to write for more artists. So
Speaker 1: my team was like, this time around, let's let's write
Speaker 1: for you and then let's get take more sessions and
Speaker 1: just write for the artists. I was like, I would
Speaker 1: love to who's your dream artist to write for? It
Speaker 1: could be great for any artists right now, dead or alive.
Speaker 1: Who would it be? Well? Nowadays, I just want to
Speaker 1: write a song with Ed Shearon because I think it'd
Speaker 1: be some medical and Britta mars Um. I would love
Speaker 1: to write a pop banger for Dualipa. I feel like
Speaker 1: they'd be easy and fun um and who else I love?
Speaker 1: I love Tate the new artist. Am I saying that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Tate McRae, Kate McGray, she was on the plodcast. She's
Speaker 1: so cool. I want to write for her. She's so cool.
Speaker 1: If anyone wants to sing my songs, that's a dream.
Speaker 1: When you're writing for like your friends versus just having artists,
Speaker 1: how does that process differ. I'll just try to write
Speaker 1: like made the best song win I'll just try to
Speaker 1: write a really good song and then then we'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this sounds like her, you know how like dual lipos
Speaker 1: in that disco pop world. If I wrote a disco
Speaker 1: pop song like let's pitch out to do a you know,
Speaker 1: I would die to write like a Caribbean song for Rihanna,
Speaker 1: like a reggae song, And that's my real dreams. I
Speaker 1: just want to hear her lullabies that I know. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to do a lulla by album too, like a
Speaker 1: kid's music, because I've seen there's like the market small,
Speaker 1: you know, for these kids have the perfect voice for
Speaker 1: it too, I know. And then I can make little
Speaker 1: YouTube videos and be like, Hi, we're gonna sing this
Speaker 1: song today. You can get like little calming bird animations
Speaker 1: of just like I'd be like, that's mama, I think
Speaker 1: this needs to happen, and you're right them. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard of many like lullaby albums. Um, what's her name?
Speaker 1: One girl did it and she did great, The girl
Speaker 1: who Sings A a thousand years. I loved you for those.
Speaker 1: Christina Perry. Christina Parry, she did an amazing kids lullabye
Speaker 1: album that was really beautiful. So I gotta try to
Speaker 1: talk back. No, I gotta try to listen to that
Speaker 1: and take notes, because she nailed it with this entail
Speaker 1: writing like children's songs are going off. I want to
Speaker 1: see she did like great covers too, but I want
Speaker 1: to do like originals, like I'm sick of um ashes
Speaker 1: ashes we all fall down, so dark, all these things
Speaker 1: are so dark. And the rockabye baby, like when the
Speaker 1: tree has a crat old weld rock and the what
Speaker 1: is the lyrics I've never heard when the bow bakes,
Speaker 1: the cradle will fall and debil come baby quite Lyndall, Like,
Speaker 1: what is scarier than that? Nothing? So I'm gonna rewrite them.
Speaker 1: Why was that saying to us as a child that
Speaker 1: we're going to It's terrific. There's a lot of really
Speaker 1: scary ones, so I'm gonna try to rewrite those and
Speaker 1: make them like pop. Would you ever write a musical?
Speaker 1: I would love to, Yeah, my dream Dream Dream one
Speaker 1: of my other bucket lists dreams besides writing, like all
Speaker 1: the music to an animated film that I write is
Speaker 1: not for then for it to go on Broadway, And
Speaker 1: then I'm just like, wow, my songs are just playing
Speaker 1: on Broadway, like, and I don't think I have the
Speaker 1: strength to go do eight shows a night and starting
Speaker 1: it myself. But I'd love to just be known as
Speaker 1: like the songwriter, you know, kind of like a Sarah
Speaker 1: Brella's waitress moment following I'm just right behind Sarah following
Speaker 1: her would you ever read a children's book? Yes? After
Speaker 1: my pregnancy book already got it. It's gonna have textures, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it all like you. The xtures. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: those are the big hits that My kid only likes
Speaker 1: those books and I don't know why because he can't
Speaker 1: see poor kids, he felt. Now, does he have to
Speaker 1: wear the eye patches? No, we skipped right over that,
Speaker 1: I think because it's that bad um. And he just
Speaker 1: wears his glasses and it took him like two days,
Speaker 1: but now he wears them all the time if he
Speaker 1: because he forgets they're on. They're so cute. To check
Speaker 1: out my Instagram. I did a video of it. Oh
Speaker 1: I saw. I very much saw heartbreaking with the red
Speaker 1: hair and the blue glass. Oh yeah, oh yeah, they're
Speaker 1: like turquoise see through. I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: exactly what I wanted. Who picked out those glasses. Honestly,
Speaker 1: they were the first ones we saw there and the
Speaker 1: guy Michael his great. But I gotta go get like
Speaker 1: eight more pair because we're gonna be on the cover
Speaker 1: of magazine soon, so I need to get the anti
Speaker 1: reflective ones. You know what I'm saying. Boys a star.
Speaker 1: I used to have the transition glasses where they turned
Speaker 1: into sunglasses when you go outside. See, that's sick. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that was the thing. Goggles they're great. They
Speaker 1: turn into sunglasses when you're outside, and they get dark
Speaker 1: when you come back, and they get normal again. Tight tight,
Speaker 1: tight tight. He's also like see through a pale. He's
Speaker 1: so white, so when he goes in the sun, we're
Speaker 1: like hat glasses cover. So I'm very curious. You have
Speaker 1: the album coming out, you have the book. Are you
Speaker 1: working on anything else for just for your creative self,
Speaker 1: just to fill you. I eventually want a tour because
Speaker 1: I haven't sang in front of a crowd and since
Speaker 1: before COVID, so I would love to see everyone again. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll have a baby this time, so it's going to
Speaker 1: be a game changer. UM I do want to tour.
Speaker 1: I think a will tour and then um, then I
Speaker 1: want to get pregnant on tour the tour bus. Yes,
Speaker 1: the tour bus. I will be pregnant, I hope. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start trying like a day one of tour,
Speaker 1: and we're like, we're gonna make a baby, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of great because he'd be like, you
Speaker 1: were conceived in this city, period, and then we should
Speaker 1: name them that city. Oh my god, I'm like Kim Kardassian.
Speaker 1: Oh if you named him, Oh my god, if you
Speaker 1: have your baby in Brooklyn, San Francisco, San Francisco, imagine
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Thank you so much, Megan, this made my day.
Speaker 1: I wish of you. I will literally do this whenever
Speaker 1: you want. You just call me. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: All yeah, have me back anytime. I'm ready. Awesome