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Subscribe, like 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.080 and review the show, and we thank you so much. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:29.559 Hey hey, hey, I'm not gonna lie. My back hurts. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.120 We're back, we're black, we're brown ambition. Hey Manajra, I 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:32.839 pull my back. 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.119 We're aging gracefully. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.959 I know between my arm surgery because I guess I'm 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.240 sleeping this kind of a way to like not I 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.400 sleep on my shoulder subconsciously and when I'm sleeping, and 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.600 so now I've got a back pull. So I'm feeling 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.280 one hundred and seven. But you know how you doing? 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.680 I mean, I mean, I'm by by comparison. I'm good, 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.400 my back is not pulled. But I'm wondering is it 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.360 time for some acupuncture? Do we need a massage therapist? Chiropractor? 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.280 Well, I'm I'm going to physical therapy. Like my arm 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:03.680 is actually feeling better and better, but like you know, 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:05.840 I'm just I know what it is because I felt 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.920 when I woke up, I was in this odd position 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.800 like with my shoulder kind of like you know, protecting itself, 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:12.840 and I guess my back was like girl, what is 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.400 this position? 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.040 So why did we hurt ourselves in our sleep? 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:16.480 You know? 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.160 Like I was, I've been waking up with headaches, and 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.480 I went to the dentist for the first time since 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.160 the since quarantine, because I was like, I'm not about 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.160 to get COVID to get a dental cleaning. I'm just 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.280 flost moore floss more. But anyway, I finally went and 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.639 she said, yeah, you probably you're grinding your teeth that night, 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.720 and it just so happened. It was a two week 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.720 period where I had a lot going on. It wasn't 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.360 bad stress, but it was like I was clearly anxious 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.160 in my sleep, and I'm like, can we not even 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.320 get a break from our own selves now? Sleep? What 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:53.600 is this? It's like, damn it. But well, I'm very 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.560 I hope that your back feels better. 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.480 Yeah, well, you know, you know how you get a pull. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.400 It takes like some like some days, sometimes even a 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.320 couple of weeks. I'm just like, ugh, but you know, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.040 I mean, I'm alive and I'm happy. Things are good, 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:06.480 but you know, all to. 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.680 Your body, Listen to your body. I do want to 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.399 take a moment because the just to acknowledge what's going 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.160 on in the Asian American community. It's been going on 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:21.160 for the past solid year, this rise in anti Asian 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.520 hate crimes and even though they won't call them hate crimes, 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:29.519 just just crazy criminal activity toward Asians, unnecessary violence. And 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.600 what happened last week in Atlanta, really I think it 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.920 just shooks. Yeah, it was horrendous, it was it was shocking, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:42.520 it was disgusting, it was tragic, and I just wanted 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.720 to let our listeners know and if any you know, 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.600 everyone who supports Brown Ambition and beyond, and if you're 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.880 Asian American, we stand with you. And if there's anything 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.360 we can do to be allies to you and your 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.240 time of need, let us know. And we hope that 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.080 you guys are if you're doing well, and if you 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.640 have Asian American friends and family, check in on them, 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.200 check in on them, ask how they're doing. I've tried 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.200 to do that thoughtfully the past week. And I speaking 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.640 from experience, what happened, you know, after last summer's social unrest, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.599 after George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, I appreciated those messages 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.839 just to check in and see how you're doing. So, yeah, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.840 check in. And my heart goes out to those those families, man, 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.800 those families and those women who were murdered senselessly and 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.720 the customers too. It was I just don't it's it's heartbreaking, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:36.360 it truly is. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.440 Yeah, I just I just can't even imagine so well, 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:47.320 I just don't get it. I'm like, what, I honestly 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:52.520 can't wrap my mind around how you could hate someone, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.960 someone you don't know, for the color of their skin, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.680 the race that they are, so much so that you 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.120 would do something so egregious, and then how it's excused, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.599 you know, like he was having a bad day, just 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.799 a bad day. No, that's what he said. Yes. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.320 The way that that officer at that press conference was 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:16.200 trying to it was almost like he his tone was 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.160 very much like, calm down, everybody. This young man he has, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.000 this gentleman has, you know, admitted to the crime, and 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:25.880 he was having a bad day, and he had what 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.719 he perceived to be a temptation and a sexual addiction 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.000 and he and he needed to what murder eight people. 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:38.719 I just it just it was bad, bad, bad for 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.680 that share I don't know, Sheriff's department, a law enforcement 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.160 in general, and to coeo oh, no, another white man 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:49.200 inflict mass a mass shooting on this country and walk away, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.760 you know, unscathed. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:57.479 Unscathed, literally Mike Brown, Hey, we think we think he 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.320 stole a cigar, you know, Garner. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.120 George Floyd. I just a counterfeit twenty dollars bill, was it? 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:06.840 I mean? And then people are like, well, you know, 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.279 so people deserve to die for that. But this man 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:15.480 literally killed murdered eight people. And I'm not suggesting the 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.640 police should have shot him dead were he it was? 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.880 But like, but then all this compassion for him and like, 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.000 oh were they were they working legally? So does that 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:26.920 mean that people could just ooh? I think I think 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.160 there's some people who might not have their green card, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.359 so me, as a citizen could just go and do 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.719 whatever I want. I just honestly, I'm exhausted, and I 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.960 just I don't know, Like, I don't know what it 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.160 takes for people to say, like enough is enough? Is 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.920 enough is enough? And you know, does it take for 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:48.320 like every single marginalized group to be brutally attacked before 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.039 we band together to say no more? You know? 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.360 But yeah, I think in a sad way, it's an 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.839 inflection point for everyone to better understand what Asian Americans 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.159 have gone through in this country. And I have very 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.240 close friends who are from the Asian American community very 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.760 close to me, and I, even as a person of color, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.000 as a woman of color, wasn't one hundred percent aware 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.480 of what they felt day to day. I guess I 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.320 just took for granted because I think there is this 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.320 there's this deep divide in the Asian American community, and 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.280 I've been reading about this. Economically, you know, you have 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.640 there's this perception that Asian Americans are better off, and 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.320 they you know, they're better off than other minorities and 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.280 financially economically speaking, that they're doing well, that they're the 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.920 model minority. I've even heard out there, yes, but the 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.520 lived experience, no one's. I don't feel like we've bothered 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.640 to ask Asian Americans like what sort of experience do 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.800 you have day to day? And what sort of experience 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.480 do your parents have? And my closest front, you know, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.280 I don't want to put her so I don't want 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.880 to tell a story that's not mine, but I admire 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.440 her so much. Her parents are immigrants from Vietnam came over. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.680 You know, their story is just extraordinary. And her mom, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.400 her mom owns a hair salon in Atlanta, and she's 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.840 having her mother put up signs that say, you know, 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.480 we're keeping our doors locked, ring the doorbell and we 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.440 will come, and it's just surreal. I mean, I don't 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:16.960 I don't know. I haven't know. I haven't known what 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.840 to say to her, and all I can say is 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.800 just I'm sorry. And we should all be learning and 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.400 listening to our Asian American brothers and sisters today the 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.400 same way we, you know, would want to be listen 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.520 to and have our pain acknowledged and not not minimalized 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.480 because what we think they must be going through. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.079 No, I totally agree. I don't know, like a well, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.360 you know Jason Vtag, like you know, he's part of 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:45.960 like you know, the financial Yeah, so he you know, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.280 Jason's pretty quiet. If you guys follow him, he's awesome. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.600 He's got this awesome brand called Frugal but it's spelled 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.920 like p h r o O g a L. And 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.600 you know, he's just like a friend in finance, but 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.199 just a friend in real life too. But you know that. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.000 So he's been posting and sharing some of the stories 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.760 of what people have called him and how he's been treated, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.360 and you know, you just he's like the sweetest, quietest guy. 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.520 You would never know all this all of this pain 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.920 was beneath that, and I just just really proud of 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.920 him for sharing, you know, on social and just it 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.880 just whenever you share your story, people get an opportunity 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:22.080 to grow and to learn. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.800 And so yeah, yeah, and for the rest of us, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.800 it's our turn to shut up and listen. Yes, I'm trying. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:30.959 I haven't done such a great job trying to be 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.760 an ally myself, but I'm trying, and I'm learning to 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.680 shut up and listen. And you know, this all happened 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.120 in the past week too, alongside that news at the 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.520 editor in chief at teen Vogue. Yeah, a young black woman, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:47.000 Alexi Ma Cammond. I mean this situation, you want to 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.560 talk about it for a little bit, because it was 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.880 all happening at the same time. Yes, and it's been 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.480 painful for me to see that go down. As a 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.160 black woman in media and journalism. You want to see 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.080 your sisters, you want to be happy for them. It's 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.240 really painful for me to see what's happened. So Alexi, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.840 she was just named teen Vogue editor in chief a 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.800 couple of weeks ago. It feels like it was not 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.920 that long ago. She hadn't even started yet, and the 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:20.240 Asian American staff at teen Vogue basically wrote a petition 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.120 against her hire because she it had been uncovered a 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.360 couple of years ago that she had tweeted some really stupid, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:33.120 really racist things about yes that pain was like what 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.160 idiotic things when she was old. 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:37.839 I was gonna say she was seven because she's like, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.920 what twenty seven now, so this is about ten years ago. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.560 Ten years ago, yeah, which is nuts. I mean, she 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.200 was so young now, but you know, even younger then. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.400 But those tweets were already out in the public because 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.920 when she was a reporter for Axios. They I think 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.199 it was after she was named the Emerging Journalist of 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.679 the Year from the NABJ National Association of Black Journalists, 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.600 those tweets were uncovered. And again when she called out 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.440 Charles Barkley for using some aggressive language toward her, the 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:12.200 tweets were resurfaced again. You know Twitter, uh, the Twitter, uh, Twitter, Roddy, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:13.839 whatever you want to call them. They will go and 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.760 find those social media demons, and it led to her. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.679 She finally resigned before she'd even had a first day 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.480 on the job. I think last week Friday. The days 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:27.319 are blurring together, but I mean it was the kind 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.920 of accountability that I understand. And it's it's a small consolation, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.440 I think to to the staff at teen Vogue who 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:39.079 really probably felt like w t F you know, and 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.640 this was not the thing that's like, it wasn't unlike 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:45.760 it was known the tweets, you know. So the fact 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.560 that Anna Wintour and whoever at Conde and asked thought 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.640 saw that and said, eh, it's okay, she said sorry, 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.720 kind of it was. It was difficult to see. But 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.240 I'm I hope that she's learning and growing from it, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.920 and I don't I don't wish ill of her at 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.520 all as another black woman, and I like we're all 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.600 growing and learning and just it's pain on all sides 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:08.880 for me. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.240 You know, it's so crazy because it's I as a 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:15.719 you know, as a black woman. It's rare that I'm 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.439 on the other side to see what it must feel 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.000 like to the person, you know, because as a black woman, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:25.800 I could see, like, you know, how on it just 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.640 seems it's just being strange to not because if someone 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:33.680 were to say they're working at like Essence or something 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.320 like that, and then it was uncovered later like you 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.120 know that this person used all these racial slurs. I mean, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.959 because I've read it. They you know, it wasn't these 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.880 weren't light things. These were really terrible things. I'd be like, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:47.760 I don't care if she was five, That's what I 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.360 would think. Yeah, you know, like I'd be like, I 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.839 don't care if she's five years old. This is especially 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.880 during what's happening now with you know, Black Lives Matter movement. 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.960 This is an especially sensitive time and so I can 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.360 see on the other side, if I was Asian American, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.320 I would feel the same. I mean, I can say, 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.320 you know, you know, I could say like, oh, she's 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:15.440 just seventeen, but I look at Supergirl, my stepdaughter, and 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.920 she's fourteen, and I thought at fourteen, definitely, you know, 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.760 she has a lot of growing to do, but she 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.560 has a sense of right and wrong. I'm not saying 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.120 that she's not on douse. We really try to monitor 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.800 her social media, you know, but you know, kids get 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:32.840 away and do whatever they want. But yeah, I have 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.760 a hard time because yes, I want to see my 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:41.679 sisters rise, and you know, certainly something like this carrying 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.480 you like through the rest of your life. No matter 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.520 what you do, someone's going to bring it up. But 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.360 at the same time as someone who's been on the 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.160 other side of seeing people be like, well he was 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:56.600 twenty five, Well he was, and then being the you know, 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.440 the people on the other side who are always asked 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.840 to forget and let it go. I can understand like 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.520 if Asian Americas is like, I'm not because honestly I 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.560 feel the same, you know that, like, I'm not willing 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:15.800 to give people passes for past transgressions that are egregious 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.760 and multiple. Yeah, you know, so I can although like 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.600 I'm like, yes, I love to see my sister's right. 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.080 But if girl you wrong, you you're wrong. And you know, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.880 I don't think you know. And I know because a 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.880 lot of my friends on social who or Asian they're like, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.640 you know, everybody went up for Black Lives Matter. We 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.640 felt they felt unseen and unheard because you know, they're considered, 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.560 you know, like there's some privilege there. And so I 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.360 know that, you know, I just know that they like 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.080 they feel it's you know, people are seeing and hearing them, 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:51.880 and so I don't want to take that away despite 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.120 the fact that you know she was. But I can understand. No, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.040 it's hard because you're like, oh man, it's such an 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:59.240 awesome opportunity and I'm not gonna lie. I don't want 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:00.480 to say her name because I'm I did not want 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:01.880 to drag up. But there was a really good friend 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.680 of mine who had a huge Twitter storm and social 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.960 media storm around her a couple of years ago. It 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.960 was really bad and I'm not gonna lie. It had 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.200 me looking through my Twitter like have I ever said anything? 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.760 Because it's scary? Have I ever? Like you know, I 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.160 was like, oh my gosh, like have I? And I 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.760 didn't think so, but you don't, you know, I don't 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.480 remember every single thing I posted it, but I don't 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:25.720 know that I was using Twitter. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.680 In that way challenge Tiffany, although I don't think our 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:32.720 listeners weren't yeah no, no, but fact same fear, you know. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.640 And so I can understand where you're coming from, because 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.440 I'm definitely like, uh, you know, like I don't. I 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.720 don't know if I've said anything that would require me 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.920 to be like yikes and so and who knows what. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.080 I also, I want to offer grace in space, but 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.400 I also want to give people the space to say hey, no, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.400 So I can understand both sides, you know. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.360 Yeah, I even struggle trying and I made the mistake 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.400 of sharing my view with my good friend who's Asian 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.720 American and dealing with all this trauma. That was stupid. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.880 And I'm just going to publicly apologize to her. I've 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.400 already apologized to her privately. No one needs to hear 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.280 me be afraid of what this means for me and 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.680 my Twitter history. Like, no, that is not I'm glad, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:13.720 but Tiffany and I we can talk about it. But yes, absolutely, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.240 And just from a career standpoint, I have just seen two. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.280 I mean, maybe just because I'm in journalist, I've been 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.040 in journalism circles for so long and maybe it's more common, 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.680 but even people who aren't in journalism. I've got a 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.480 relative who was fired from Delta because she made a 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:32.040 comment on a Facebook thread on like a news channel's 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:36.000 Facebook page about a racial injustice. She made a comment 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:37.760 there and someone saw it and she lost a job. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.840 So listen, it's not a freedom of speech thing because 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.040 companies are private companies. You know they can they It's 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.000 an at will employment situation, Y'allso just to caution, and 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.640 nothing is private and there's no line I don't think 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.720 between being an employee and then being a person. Honestly, 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.960 if you say something dumb enough, you're you're definitely gonna 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.440 lose job. And if you don't work for a nine 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.240 to five still, you can lose advertisers clients. So yeah, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:06.320 I just think twice before you before you post and listen. 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.040 You can download did you know? You can download a 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.480 Twitter history? Like you can download every tweet you've ever 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.879 tweeted and then search and see what's in there. You can. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.640 It takes a while, but it's a thing. So I'm 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.360 just saying, if y'all are sweating it, you might want 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:26.160 to try. But speaking of another prominent African American figure, 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.159 we we don't talk much about this particular person, but 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.560 we do. We have talked about he who must not 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:36.440 be named d What are we calling him? D R? Oh? 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.040 Yeah, I was like, who is talking about a day 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.119 amz Ray? 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.879 So I'm gonna say his name Dave Ramsey. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.960 I'm gonna start calling him mister bankrupt. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:52.040 Like the opposite of the monopoly man. So really quick, 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:53.919 because the listener actually reached out and they were like, 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.760 did you see the biblicalty on this? 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:56.600 No? 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.080 Do tell, pray, tell, we love. We should have a 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.639 segment called tea time. Uh yeah, So I mean, not again, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.119 not to relish anyone's downfall, but this was just a 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.000 real example of the hypocrisy of Dave Ramsey's solutions. So 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.520 it had come out that in some reporting, and we 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:16.480 published a story. We had posted a link to the 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.159 story in the show notes. I forget now what the 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.520 what the news organization was called, But it had come 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.920 to light that Chris Hogan, one of Dave Ramsey's prominent 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:26.439 what do you want to call them, like one of 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:30.159 his internal gurus, like one of his his his people, 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.280 is very prominent figures out there, and he's he actually 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.080 came out and issued a statement on this, and he 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.800 acknowledged she had some misconducts conduct girl ger he cheated, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.119 he cheated, and his wife has a blog and you 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:42.040 can check it out, you know. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.480 And in the way the company like what is that? 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.600 There was? Was it the Religious Times the article that 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:48.560 was so damning? 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.000 Yes, I the name of it. Yeah, it was something 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:51.960 like that, yeah. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.879 Yes, And she that was part of it where she 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.359 talked about how, you know, because they have a moral 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.280 conduct code where people haven't let go for less and 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.560 she went to the company to say, hey, there I 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:03.680 don't know if it was. I think it was women 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.600 actually actually at the actual job that he had been 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.520 inappropriate with. So he went and they basically intimidated the wife. 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.159 It was like, you know, go ahead on because you know, 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.200 he was one of their big money makers. I guess 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.360 he was just so mussy that they, you know, they 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.440 finally decided to, you know, let him go. I guess. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.440 Well, meanwhile, I've been searching around. There's actually a complaint, 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.399 a lawsuit filed against the company by a woman who 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.159 claims that she was fired for being pregnant because she 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.000 hadn't because she was not married to her partner. She 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.720 was fired, and she was fired and they told her 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:39.520 to her face. This is gonna be I don't know, 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.879 the easiest EEOC case ever, because they told her to 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.800 her face like you're in violation of our righteous living clause. 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.720 So righteous living at Dave Ramsey basically means you can 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.640 cheat on your wife, but definitely don't have premarital sex 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.280 with your partner. So she's filed a lawsuit, and it'll 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.920 be interesting to see how that all shakes out. But yeah, 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.560 Chris Hogan is out. He I don't know, it just 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:06.080 sounds like they let him go, which is is very sad, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.760 but it just shows you, like the hypocrisy man to 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.120 have this righteous living clause, but it's not it doesn't 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.400 apply to everyone clearly, so it does not even mean anyway. 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.360 So there's your your biblical tea for the day. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.960 Well this is not biblical tea. But I wanted to 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.600 hear something. I was like, oh, the foolishness. Well, I mean, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.760 it's not the buzzy buzzworthy today, I know it is 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.960 very buzzy. So I saw like on Twitter, I was like, 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:35.000 why is Kyllie Jenner trying to trendy? And normally I 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.240 don't care, but I saw Kylie Jenner sixty thousand dollars. 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:40.600 I'm like, h that seems like not a lot of 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.480 money for a Kylie Jenner. What's this about? So apparently 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.760 Kylie Jenner's makeup artist, who obviously plays a major role 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.119 in her life because you know, like makeup is a 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.359 huge component, like that's where she makes pose to her wealth, 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.439