Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you, my oh, and look
Speaker 1: over there. How is that culture? Yes? Goodness calling hi
Speaker 1: Bowen and you're and can I say hi from the
Speaker 1: next room? High from the next room. So this is
Speaker 1: the current layouts. This is the soundscape. Literally give it
Speaker 1: to him. I'm in my bedroom recording on on my dresser,
Speaker 1: m my setup, my fantasy, I should say, is on
Speaker 1: my dresser, in my laptop, and then Matt's in the
Speaker 1: other room, in my living room where I normally set
Speaker 1: for these podcast recordings. I'm in Brooklyn, New York. Everyone
Speaker 1: he's in town. He's communing with his parents. So get this.
Speaker 1: The hurricane, which name was Isaiah's. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that that s is silent, but yeah, let's let's go
Speaker 1: with that. Isaiah. The hurricane that just happened really rocked
Speaker 1: Long Island, y'all and sort of took the Internet away
Speaker 1: from my parents. Um and uh. So I have traversed
Speaker 1: into Brooklyn to record with Bowen Yang and we were
Speaker 1: in separate rooms doing that, and we really had a
Speaker 1: wonderful time. Anytime I can see you, you know, the
Speaker 1: second you came into my apartment, we started putting on
Speaker 1: notes on a scandal. It felt like old times. We
Speaker 1: did start to watch Notes on a Scandal? Now why
Speaker 1: do we do that? Because we we got it in
Speaker 1: our heads that were actually a listener, a reader, damned
Speaker 1: Matt pitching the idea that we should do a reading
Speaker 1: of Notes on a Scandal. Yes, and as some like
Speaker 1: benefit function or something. And then we were like, that's
Speaker 1: a great idea. But then in watching Notes on a Scandal,
Speaker 1: we thought this is not so great of an idea
Speaker 1: because it's very much a film and a reading of
Speaker 1: it would not go so great. So we thought, what's
Speaker 1: a play we could read? Yes, And so we're still
Speaker 1: exploring our options and when we'll let you know if
Speaker 1: we if we arrive at something. No, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: actually an untruth. We know exactly what play we're gonna read,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to give it away now. We're
Speaker 1: not going to give it away here unless you want to.
Speaker 1: That's brutal. I think we should Okay, all right, some
Speaker 1: of the readers don't know this, but Bowen and bow
Speaker 1: and Yang and I wrote a play. It's called Night Soap,
Speaker 1: Night Soap. We did it at Ours Nova, did Ours
Speaker 1: Nova years ago. It was Bowen and Yang and I
Speaker 1: actually it was we were fully in drag Ruby Rue
Speaker 1: shout out to Ruby Rouge, shout out Ruby rou head
Speaker 1: to toe Giche so that we could do a show
Speaker 1: called Night Soap, which is a play in three acts.
Speaker 1: And it was basically a high point of Bone Bone
Speaker 1: and his artistic career. I had never had that much fun,
Speaker 1: like writing something and then like realizing it and like
Speaker 1: just fully like start to finish, like have it sort
Speaker 1: of actualized, and we read it again tonight when we realized,
Speaker 1: like the notes on the scandal is not gonna work,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do it again soon. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't understand your hesitance. Well, I feel like we
Speaker 1: I feel like we have other logistical things to like
Speaker 1: nail down before before we start to like announce. But no,
Speaker 1: this is great. I love this sort of you mean,
Speaker 1: such as a date and time and everything like that. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you know. I want to firm up those details before
Speaker 1: we make an since. But I'm happy that we're doing
Speaker 1: it now. I really am. The readers should know we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a live reading of Bowen and Ice play
Speaker 1: Night Soap where we are too warring. What would you
Speaker 1: what would what is the lot of the show. We're
Speaker 1: two warring matrix of chocolate empires. It's very much. It's
Speaker 1: like war Paint meets Dynasty meets Dallas. That's the elevator pitch. Um,
Speaker 1: it's really fun. We're really you know. We read it
Speaker 1: back and it's it's it still makes us laugh. So
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll remount it for everybody. Um, but gosh, what else? Oh,
Speaker 1: I famously everyone knows. I try to get Matt three books.
Speaker 1: Matt texts yesterday goes. I finally read a book. I
Speaker 1: read a book. You guys. Okay, So my I'm spending
Speaker 1: time with my parents and they have no internet. So
Speaker 1: there was a book around the house. It was Mary L.
Speaker 1: Trump's book. So this is the niece of Trump and
Speaker 1: it's her book, which is too much and never enough
Speaker 1: read it a thrilling read. You liked it. I did
Speaker 1: like it. You have it, you had You had a
Speaker 1: lot of takeaways. I have tons of takeaways because I
Speaker 1: feel that people have not in trying to understand him,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a lost cause whatever, but you
Speaker 1: could sort of start to understand what we're dealing with
Speaker 1: here by looking at his development and the man had
Speaker 1: a psychopath father, so basically the guy had no capacity
Speaker 1: for human empathy, etcetera. So donalill never learn that. And
Speaker 1: so what we're dealing with now is someone who learned
Speaker 1: how to be a quote unquote killer in business from
Speaker 1: his father. And I don't know, just just not to
Speaker 1: expand on this much further if you don't want to
Speaker 1: read the book whatever, I get it. Some of some
Speaker 1: people might think there might be different, Um, I don't
Speaker 1: know what would you call it intention behind her writing
Speaker 1: the book, But basically it's interesting in understanding what we're
Speaker 1: dealing with here. Well what's interesting? I mean you were
Speaker 1: telling me about this, Um, we don't have to get
Speaker 1: too too deep into it, but you were saying that
Speaker 1: one of the things that Mary says is that it's
Speaker 1: wild and sort of dissociated and unsettling how we're all
Speaker 1: sort of catering to one man's identity, catering to one
Speaker 1: man's identity and whims and all this stuff. And it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so frat like, that's what a what a what
Speaker 1: a wild sort of inversion of the way this country
Speaker 1: is like supposed to work if we're all just like
Speaker 1: confected with like one person's behavior. It's it's terrifying. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I think is so funny too? Before
Speaker 1: we introduce the guests, which is truly in my moment,
Speaker 1: cut history, let me just say one thing. Anyone that's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: she's just trying to sell a book. Here's the thing
Speaker 1: about when you write a book, you wanted to sell,
Speaker 1: you want people to read it. So anyone that's like,
Speaker 1: she just wrote this book to sell a book, yes,
Speaker 1: that that's part of that's that's how this works. You
Speaker 1: write a book. Now, when I write a book, I
Speaker 1: wanted to not sell. I wanted to be like Max
Speaker 1: Biale stock producers. I don't want it to sell at all.
Speaker 1: Interesting point I hadn't thought about. No, I know, I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying. Look, I read a book. I
Speaker 1: found it interesting. If you want to read it, to
Speaker 1: go fucking do it. If you don't, I don't care.
Speaker 1: What makes me matter is that this is a book.
Speaker 1: That this is not one of the books that I've
Speaker 1: told you to read. I have many books that I
Speaker 1: want you to read, and you not read a single one. No,
Speaker 1: my next book I'm gonna arenas trick Mirror. It was
Speaker 1: just gonna it was gonna come weeks weeks weeks weeks
Speaker 1: weeks in the future, and this was a book that
Speaker 1: was right in front of me. But I have a
Speaker 1: I have a good solid list. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to do anything other than listen
Speaker 1: to this next podcast for the next hour or so,
Speaker 1: because this is somebody that law s cultures, this is
Speaker 1: honored to have. Well, this is somebody that we have.
Speaker 1: I know it's a little too recent to say this,
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's there's a place that you
Speaker 1: and I and a lot of other New Yorkers, let's say,
Speaker 1: can be like we can talk from a place and
Speaker 1: reminisce from a place of like, gosh, remember the days
Speaker 1: of Barracuda, Like Monday nights at midnight, which means that
Speaker 1: which meant that, like our guest would showup at one
Speaker 1: o'clock to do her her show and she would give
Speaker 1: you like stand up like bits and jokes and like
Speaker 1: the house down boots and then go into like the
Speaker 1: most genius mixes and like we would go and it
Speaker 1: was just this like event every week to like go
Speaker 1: see Bob. It was such it was such a jool
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I think at the time,
Speaker 1: I'd say the peak of a peak of being in
Speaker 1: New York and gay in New York would be in
Speaker 1: terms of like our friends like going to see Bob
Speaker 1: the Drag Queen perform Monday nights at midnight at veracou
Speaker 1: To Lounge, which I got to tell him that I
Speaker 1: was a fan of when he did my show Game
Speaker 1: Show several months ago, which came out on Quimby. You
Speaker 1: can watch it if you want. It's out there, and
Speaker 1: I think that Bob the Drag Queen's episode with Darcy
Speaker 1: Carton is one of my very favorites. But basically, I
Speaker 1: do remember when we had been going to see Bob
Speaker 1: the Drag Queen perform every Monday night at midnight at
Speaker 1: Vercood Lounge. All of a sudden, one day Bob wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and we knew exactly where Bob went, and we knew
Speaker 1: exactly how that would go, and it did come to pass,
Speaker 1: and the rest was, as they say, her story, her story,
Speaker 1: So everyone, please welcome to your ears. He's a drag artist,
Speaker 1: an activist, um an Emmy nominated it on an Emmy
Speaker 1: nominated show, We're Here and RuPaul's drag race for that
Speaker 1: match which we happen to watch just hours ago, and
Speaker 1: treading tears. Fantastic. Everyone, Please welcome to your ears the
Speaker 1: drag queen. Those are such nice things you all said
Speaker 1: about man. Well, there are things that we feel. I
Speaker 1: don't know you felt so warmly. We feel so warmly.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no shame in listening to books. I
Speaker 1: think it's a stigma that were listening to books and
Speaker 1: I read really slowly. I just, for whatever reason, I
Speaker 1: just read really slow slowly. I can't read it like
Speaker 1: when I'm whenever I'm watching the TV, and then like
Speaker 1: the words come up, like the apologue or the prologue
Speaker 1: or something, and the words I started panicking. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, it's gonna be gone. And then
Speaker 1: everyone else like got it, and I'm like I need
Speaker 1: I like pause. I'm like, my brain just doesn't work
Speaker 1: that way. Or if I read, I fall asleep a
Speaker 1: lot of times. For some reason. The only place I
Speaker 1: can read and not fall asleep is on the New
Speaker 1: York City subway, which is probably from an eight fear
Speaker 1: of being stabbed. Um. But I have started listening to
Speaker 1: books and it's a really great way to get the information,
Speaker 1: and you can just do so much stuff. The multitasking
Speaker 1: is real. Yeah, I gotta do it. The thing is,
Speaker 1: I've always been such a music person, and also I
Speaker 1: have trouble committing to anything long form, Like my boyfriend
Speaker 1: has the hardest time getting me to commit to any movie,
Speaker 1: Like I can't even watch a movie that's like over
Speaker 1: an hour and a half. But um, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I need to do it. I also think there's something
Speaker 1: nice about just holding a book in your hands, of
Speaker 1: reading a book, which I was enjoying and not that
Speaker 1: old school. I don't have any nostalgia for books every
Speaker 1: people like I just love. I think books are kind
Speaker 1: of a waste of resources in space. I look at
Speaker 1: the library and I think, oh my god, all the
Speaker 1: books in this library could be on like five iPads. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: this big building, there's like eight five homeless people living
Speaker 1: on this block, and huge building could have been used
Speaker 1: for something a little bit more resourceful. And I understand
Speaker 1: that libraries and more than just books are also computers
Speaker 1: and resources citizen, but I'm saying, what about those books?
Speaker 1: You can make room for more resources. There we go,
Speaker 1: and also said, let's face that some of those books
Speaker 1: are never getting read, not ever in their goddamn book
Speaker 1: life for someone that said, right now, you just read
Speaker 1: those old books. Yea, And I want to single handedly
Speaker 1: take down the book. It's a lonely fight taking down
Speaker 1: the book, the paperback in the hardcover book industry. But
Speaker 1: someone's gotta someone's gotta fight this fight. They're not good
Speaker 1: for the environment there and there they are found dead.
Speaker 1: I mean, my thing with with audio books is that
Speaker 1: I I find that I don't absorb the information as
Speaker 1: well as I should be. Like I feel like it's
Speaker 1: my ears glaze over and like sooner than my eyes
Speaker 1: or more easily than my eyes doing. I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just I can I can just detach from the
Speaker 1: attention span. But I mean, I I see, I see
Speaker 1: value in both. I do want to um destroy libraries.
Speaker 1: Only private ones. The public ones can stay. But there's
Speaker 1: there's there's a huge there's a huge cropping of private libraries. Yeall, No,
Speaker 1: I totally that up. I told I was like, Connecticut
Speaker 1: is a private library. They will they went in Connecticut. Wait,
Speaker 1: but Bob, okay, talk about do you do you have
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of nostalgia. You're not You're not nostalgic for books?
Speaker 1: Do you do you have a nostalgia for like barracu
Speaker 1: to days at all? I feel like those were like
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, no, for sure, I really miss Barracuda UM.
Speaker 1: You know, so I just dragged before. I was Bot
Speaker 1: the Drag Drag under the name Kiding with a Whip
Speaker 1: for a really long time, actually maybe not really long,
Speaker 1: like three or three or four years. I was Kidding
Speaker 1: with a Whip, and then I moved to Barracuda as
Speaker 1: Kidding with a whipping about like two months in I
Speaker 1: switched over to Bob the Drag Queen, and something just
Speaker 1: took off, something ticked, and then we just started loving it.
Speaker 1: And you know, Monday Nights at Barracuda really legendary. Before
Speaker 1: Pemper Mean Pepperman hosted for six years, and before Pepperman,
Speaker 1: who was Candice Kane for ten years, for nineteen years,
Speaker 1: there had only been three host of Monday Nights at
Speaker 1: Barracuda UM and I ended up for three years before
Speaker 1: going on to Ree Paul's Drag Race. And it was
Speaker 1: just one of those nights that was just like it
Speaker 1: really taught me so much about stand up about myself,
Speaker 1: about myself as a performer, like it gave me a
Speaker 1: real grounding connection to my community. And it was one
Speaker 1: at the back of the day, back in my game
Speaker 1: day when when you know, when if a queen got
Speaker 1: a show, Baracouda, she was. She was like one of
Speaker 1: the best guy damn drag queens in here. It was
Speaker 1: like a stamp of whether you were good or not.
Speaker 1: If you got a job Baracouda, everyone just assumes you
Speaker 1: were and then you can make up, make it up
Speaker 1: later and figure out to be good. Yeah. The person
Speaker 1: the people who turned us onto you was our dear
Speaker 1: friends Josh Harp and Aaron Jackson, who I think I
Speaker 1: love them. Yeah, they're the best. We actually just saw
Speaker 1: Josh in the park. We just we just went out
Speaker 1: to the park to see Josh. But they were like,
Speaker 1: you have to come to Baracuta on Monday nights. And
Speaker 1: they were the funniest people that we knew because we
Speaker 1: came up at UCB and doing the whole improv thing,
Speaker 1: doing sketch, etcetera. And they were the funniest guys that
Speaker 1: we knew. And they said, bar none the funniest comedy
Speaker 1: show in New York and they were they were agreed,
Speaker 1: they were not wrong. And this was at the height
Speaker 1: of like the sort of rumor mill circuit, like like
Speaker 1: this was like the legend at this point. It's legend,
Speaker 1: but like everyone just like the scuttle but being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like RuPaul was in disguise at Baracuta
Speaker 1: and tipped Bob a hundred dollars like can you believe it?
Speaker 1: And like all this stuff like, well, the rumors were
Speaker 1: around ended up. Actually happened that RuPaul came to the
Speaker 1: Monster in the West village. Yes, yes, and she asked
Speaker 1: for me at the door. She was like, is Bomb
Speaker 1: the drag queen here? And um and then she but
Speaker 1: she didn't hip me. She's kind of hit in the back. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know that was what I was on a
Speaker 1: cruise ship once. Um was Zack new Towers. I do, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we love Zack. Who's my roommate here in that late
Speaker 1: by the way, Yes, yes it is, but we we
Speaker 1: were on this cruise ship. And then Katheen and Jimmy
Speaker 1: the cruise and saw my show and she was like,
Speaker 1: this is just the funniest show. You need to come
Speaker 1: meet me by the French fry. So I went to
Speaker 1: the buffet. I met him in the French fry and
Speaker 1: then she goes, have you ever thought about dinner post
Speaker 1: rag bread? I was like, mom, everyone thinks about dinner
Speaker 1: post drag bad. She goes, wait one second, and then
Speaker 1: she calls a number, but no one answers. She goes,
Speaker 1: you didn't answer, But listen, RuPaul, I'm sitting here with
Speaker 1: some drag queen named Bob and she's gonna be the
Speaker 1: next winner of your show. Call me back. You want
Speaker 1: to know about this queen? Wow. So I got this
Speaker 1: verified actually because I was this is a long story,
Speaker 1: but a long story short. I ended up on What's
Speaker 1: the Two? I actually was on it with with Rue.
Speaker 1: And before that, I was like, you know, I used
Speaker 1: to go see Bob like on Monday nights at Barracuda,
Speaker 1: and rup Rue was like, you know, I had been
Speaker 1: hearing all about Bob the drag Queen, and I knew
Speaker 1: I had to get down there. And I saw that
Speaker 1: show and I was ripped up. I thought it was
Speaker 1: the most amazing thing. And then Brew was also talking
Speaker 1: about how um around that time was when because I
Speaker 1: think it was season six, when to see that walk
Speaker 1: was like the song of the Runway, right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a great instagram. I was there. I was in
Speaker 1: the room. It was wild. Yeah, and so people were
Speaker 1: like basically the girls were like walking the runway too
Speaker 1: and rip and like cutting it up to to see
Speaker 1: that walk. I'll tell you the exact story. So RuPaul
Speaker 1: walks in with this big bubble coat and it's like
Speaker 1: bucket hat and asked the door the dermant is Bob
Speaker 1: is Bob the dragon performance and I and then it
Speaker 1: was like yeah. And then one of the bartenders was gay,
Speaker 1: because you know, the dermot is always straight. Some bartender goes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's that's RuPaul and then runs downstairs.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, don't tell anyone to the manager,
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone, but RuPaul's here. And then the manager goes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and then runs to me and says,
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone, as we're not that RuPaul's here. I said,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. I ran to the DJ and I said, girl,
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone, but you should know RuPaul's here. That
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm gonna play he see that walk? I
Speaker 1: was like, do not. He was like I'm gonna play it.
Speaker 1: Then you here, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, And then
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, all the QUI because they're a lot
Speaker 1: of dragons would show up to the look we and
Speaker 1: so they like kind of like a soul train in
Speaker 1: mine made they made an aisle and then all these
Speaker 1: queens just started doing this. He said, walk and we
Speaker 1: started walking and dancing, and everyone's singing the song live
Speaker 1: and RuPaul is just in the back corner just listening
Speaker 1: to it, watching all of us like go off to
Speaker 1: this song. So Rule is under the impression that no
Speaker 1: one knew that Rue was there, and I kind of was.
Speaker 1: As he was telling me that, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, You're very inconspicuous, and really the thing that
Speaker 1: the patrons didn't know, but everyone who worked there, which
Speaker 1: is kind of best case scenario. That's the best set
Speaker 1: up for it. Anyway, It's like the audio planets will
Speaker 1: be in for a surprise. But as long as i'd
Speaker 1: like create anxiety for the performers, and N's like, do
Speaker 1: I get excited pressure? I work. I do really well
Speaker 1: under pressure. Um, I get really excited at the opportunity
Speaker 1: to perform or to be goofy or sillier to make
Speaker 1: someone that I look up to laugh, I'm like, when
Speaker 1: I'm a WHOOPI Goldberg, I was excited. I wasn't like,
Speaker 1: I hope, I don't think UM. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be hilarious to work with. Okay, that's I did
Speaker 1: not work with Whippy. Let's let's I don't want to
Speaker 1: give the impression Whop we did a movie together. I
Speaker 1: I have been like, Whoop Whoopy did the fifty anniversary
Speaker 1: to UH of the Riot and I was there for that,
Speaker 1: so she introduced me. But we didn't do a sister
Speaker 1: act or anything. And I went to her birthday party
Speaker 1: and I went to her to the view so we
Speaker 1: hung out of the time. But we have not worked together.
Speaker 1: I would I would say, I would say that there's
Speaker 1: there's a semi professional capacity there. I mean we were
Speaker 1: both be we were both professionally paid to be there
Speaker 1: that evening, so in that regard, and we also both
Speaker 1: did UH Barclays for the product kickoff. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: last last summer. Was a good summer. That was a
Speaker 1: good summer, wasn't it. What's wrong with this one? Well,
Speaker 1: there wasn't one. Um I will ask, were you as
Speaker 1: sure as we were as your fans that you would
Speaker 1: dominate that season of drag Race or how nervous were
Speaker 1: you to go in there? Because season eight this was
Speaker 1: this was like after season six. Seven the show had
Speaker 1: hit like a peak in terms of like it was huge,
Speaker 1: like within the gay community. It had yet to hit
Speaker 1: like the season nine season ten levels of like everyone
Speaker 1: in the mainstream is talking about it. But this was
Speaker 1: a huge deal. But still you had to feel pretty good.
Speaker 1: I would think from watching seven was the first season
Speaker 1: to be I mean nominating. I believe eight my season
Speaker 1: was the first season to win a Navy so we
Speaker 1: had just started getting buzz round my season calls drag Race.
Speaker 1: Those facts maybe a little off, but my season was
Speaker 1: almost the first season to win. And we want the
Speaker 1: best costume. Uh's ald the one best costumes? Um, it's
Speaker 1: all the yeah, and UM, I don't know even know
Speaker 1: it's all. That's all as an amazing uh fashion designer
Speaker 1: based out of l A or New York, one of
Speaker 1: the two. Um, anyway, that's not the point. But you know,
Speaker 1: I've always had a really strange sense of confidence. I
Speaker 1: really think I'm really great at stuff. My mom always
Speaker 1: told me I could do anything except saying My mom
Speaker 1: with stuty that I could do everything except saying UM.
Speaker 1: And I believed her. My mom told me I was
Speaker 1: the best. I really believe it for a really, really
Speaker 1: long time. And that's also just kind of a demonstration
Speaker 1: and what it looks like when you would encourage your
Speaker 1: children instead of like knocked them down. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at someone like g G. Good whose mom helps her
Speaker 1: and makes her costumes. She went on to be in
Speaker 1: the finals reposed drag Race. Let me tear your kids down.
Speaker 1: It's hard for them. Your parents can break you in
Speaker 1: a way that you can't, that you can't sometimes can't
Speaker 1: recover from. There a lot of work to recover from.
Speaker 1: And my mom really really built me up. And I'm
Speaker 1: just so lucky that that I ended up with Martha
Speaker 1: called well in my corner. So when I got the call,
Speaker 1: I was pretty sure I had one drag Race this before.
Speaker 1: And then when I walked in and saw the competition,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I definitely yeah, because you had
Speaker 1: you had you had some competitors there. I mean, to
Speaker 1: be fair to the rest of them, like they were
Speaker 1: great competitors, Kim, I mean had thor as in Betty. Um,
Speaker 1: there are lots of amazing drag queens. I just think
Speaker 1: I just in my mind, I remember thinking myself, I'm
Speaker 1: just more suited for this particular challenge. Not that I'm
Speaker 1: better than them, but in terms of what this required,
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm suited better than they are. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, and people have pointed this out, but there
Speaker 1: was no development storyline with you. There was no thing
Speaker 1: of like Bob's come in and you know, there's he's
Speaker 1: got some work to do here. It's like that wasn't
Speaker 1: a thing. Well they tried to do like a um,
Speaker 1: Bob learns how to do makeup, but I just didn't
Speaker 1: get any better. So they had to live stor go.
Speaker 1: But then you couldn't even just be with that, Like
Speaker 1: Bob like couldn't put together an outfit from like raw
Speaker 1: materials because like you did purst first on the first
Speaker 1: episode and then it's like right, but yeah, but you
Speaker 1: like you like made a look out of curtains and
Speaker 1: then like and then you were like, okay, well Bob
Speaker 1: can so. And then Bob is a comedy queen, and
Speaker 1: Bob can you know, do all these different things and uh,
Speaker 1: the I mean historic snatch game where you did two
Speaker 1: people like it was just like it was a very
Speaker 1: it was a very blazing the trailblazing, trailblazing you. I mean.
Speaker 1: It was also one of the thing where I would
Speaker 1: go in instead of people like why did they let
Speaker 1: you do two snatch games? And I was like, I
Speaker 1: didn't ask, just did it. I never asked. Everything wants
Speaker 1: they don't like it, they'll probably should stop down production
Speaker 1: and helping me to switch back. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do it. I snugged, I snugged the
Speaker 1: Carol in under my prison uniform. Yeah, no way. As
Speaker 1: long as Ruin is laughing, everything goes like. I have
Speaker 1: talked to some gaze out there that are like because
Speaker 1: I've I've spoken with some gays, and very few of
Speaker 1: them are like I've in speaking with gays. Very few
Speaker 1: of them are like, well, I think it should be
Speaker 1: one character the whole time. And I'm like, bitch, No,
Speaker 1: if you are being funny during snatch game and you're
Speaker 1: killing it and you can whip out another like ultr
Speaker 1: ego or another performance, you should do that. The whole
Speaker 1: thing is like a performance of comedy so well those
Speaker 1: days you said that Bob and diraculate is a professional disagrees,
Speaker 1: but also the real I would love to do that.
Speaker 1: But also the thing is like, girl, I mean the
Speaker 1: rumbol always says, the only rule in snatch game is
Speaker 1: making me laugh. That's the only rule. Make me laugh.
Speaker 1: Just make me laugh. And I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: got that. That's that's I can do that for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the best, the best. And also I think
Speaker 1: people are now kind of annoyed at the idea of
Speaker 1: people switching it up, because now people are like now,
Speaker 1: now folks are like, oh, someone's trying to do that Bob.
Speaker 1: Things kind of like when when after I saw she
Speaker 1: did the rose petals and then everyone in Asia does butterflies,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, now it's too much. And I don't
Speaker 1: believe that you should be trying to do stunts. I
Speaker 1: think you should really think them through. I'm from New
Speaker 1: York City. We pull stunts in New York any all
Speaker 1: the time. I used to go to see Georgy at
Speaker 1: the Wrist and a party calls Saliva every Tuesday, and
Speaker 1: I and I once saw a girl going forth the
Speaker 1: ship and apple out of her ass that was so
Speaker 1: if y'all things of butterflies are a stunt, bish come
Speaker 1: to New or City, you don't know what a stunts?
Speaker 1: Go to this and that on a Wednesday night and
Speaker 1: see what a stunt it comes to the circus R
Speaker 1: T N T. I wonder if this is a thing
Speaker 1: that's specific within drag or within the queer community, as
Speaker 1: like the appraisal the appraisers of like any particular right form.
Speaker 1: But it's like it goes so quickly from being something
Speaker 1: goes so quickly from being like innovative to being like
Speaker 1: a gimmick that I'm just like if if if more
Speaker 1: time can be afforded to like watch something be developed
Speaker 1: over a longer period of time without people writing it
Speaker 1: off so quickly. Is like, I mean, the Asia thing
Speaker 1: was tragic, but I was I was kind of like
Speaker 1: thinking the back of my head like oh, but like
Speaker 1: I also wish that like if that was successful, that
Speaker 1: would have been kind of great, even though it didn't
Speaker 1: match any of those Janet Jackson songs, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just did. It just did. It wasn't completely well
Speaker 1: thought out and maybe if she had like at least
Speaker 1: one hundred butterflies as opposed to like three or four.
Speaker 1: But like, I don't think she realizes how many butterflies
Speaker 1: you would need to actually make an impact. Like I
Speaker 1: was in that dressing room when Sasha but Laura was
Speaker 1: putting those rose pedals in that wig. We were sitting
Speaker 1: literally side by side, and she was, what, you don't
Speaker 1: realize this. Actually it's a little behind the scenes te
Speaker 1: So Sasha had different numbers planned. She had completely different numbers.
Speaker 1: She had some scissors in her garter in case she
Speaker 1: got crazy, which the other girls got. So she was
Speaker 1: gonna start cutting the wig up and do this whole
Speaker 1: crazy number. And then she had the rose petals in
Speaker 1: the wig for how I know? And I think she
Speaker 1: had one other thing was so she had a different
Speaker 1: number plan for both once. So it was that that
Speaker 1: was not just her. It wasn't her being like, no
Speaker 1: matter what, I'm doing rose pedals. It was like, I'm
Speaker 1: doing rose pedals for specific She came up with a
Speaker 1: how would I know number, and then she came up
Speaker 1: with a crazy numb Yeah, she had a fully realized
Speaker 1: thing for both the Whitney and Brittany number. So another
Speaker 1: thing that I think people are not really thinking about
Speaker 1: when they say, oh, well, Saga had that stunt that
Speaker 1: was also an amazing lip sync and she was emotionally
Speaker 1: keyed right into it. And I think whenever people reduced
Speaker 1: that to a stunt, I'm like, look at that woman
Speaker 1: performing about like she is right on the she is
Speaker 1: emotionally living it, and that like ripping of her wig
Speaker 1: off into the rose pedals, like worked with the lyrics,
Speaker 1: worked with the tone of this song like completely. She
Speaker 1: started off with saying does he love me? Does he
Speaker 1: love you? Now? You know he loves me? Loves me not?
Speaker 1: He loves me? And wouldn't us sit in the song
Speaker 1: if he loves me? If he loves me not, then
Speaker 1: there's more roads in the sleeve and in more rooms.
Speaker 1: So it actually was a really cleverly uh. It was
Speaker 1: really well done. It was like she always does like
Speaker 1: it was. It was a performance piece, like it was
Speaker 1: fully realized. She and trying. She wasn't trying to against anyone.
Speaker 1: She was just doing the number. Yes, yes, speaking of numbers, Um,
Speaker 1: let's talk about we're here, so we I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this today and I what I love about the
Speaker 1: show is that, um, it's not you Eureka Changela being
Speaker 1: of service necessarily to people. It's you guys are definitely
Speaker 1: I think you're all resources to be sure for everybody,
Speaker 1: for all the charges that um you sort of bring
Speaker 1: in and and look over. But I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a show that's just about like performance, it's just about
Speaker 1: it's it's about expression obviously, but it's it's I like
Speaker 1: that it's a show where you're not like the end
Speaker 1: result is not like a furnished house or like a
Speaker 1: skin difference between this and like where I asked the
Speaker 1: last first of all the stuff we're giving them, it's
Speaker 1: completely unusable, like what are like, what are you? What
Speaker 1: are you going to do with this fucking costume? Besides
Speaker 1: where maybe once a year and that's the first year
Speaker 1: is getting kind of old, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: what the hell are we are you gonna do with this?
Speaker 1: Like you can't use this stuff is completely unusable. But
Speaker 1: we are making these really great connections with people and
Speaker 1: building helping them, build us as a community and amplifying
Speaker 1: the voices, especially when we amplify the voices of marginalized people,
Speaker 1: are like I can't get over Nate and Lady Shug.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you watched them all yet. But
Speaker 1: if you have not watched My Pet, you watched Farmington's
Speaker 1: Nate and Lady Shug from the Navajo Nation and ship
Speaker 1: Rock in New Mexico. Beautiful. That was the Mrs Broder
Speaker 1: Frankenstein thing. Yeah, that was very Yeah, And people don't
Speaker 1: realize that me and Chancel and ere we come up
Speaker 1: with those numbers. There's there's no there's no team that
Speaker 1: that does them. Then we just act like we did it. No,
Speaker 1: we we we we choose the songs, we come up
Speaker 1: with the numbers, We go to the design teams, we
Speaker 1: explain the constant we want, we go to the set builders.
Speaker 1: We talked to her till the way outfit. We want
Speaker 1: what what set we want? And we build each number.
Speaker 1: It's so conceptual. They're so conceptual. Um, and they're and
Speaker 1: they're wonderful. But yes, no, I that episode is so
Speaker 1: like I mean, I I kind of have this crazy,
Speaker 1: sort of like emotionless experience as a viewer for most things,
Speaker 1: but like they're I mean, I mean you really just
Speaker 1: sort of get choked up. I mean, I just kind
Speaker 1: of put it in context with the fact that there
Speaker 1: are these communities in these parts of the country where
Speaker 1: you would where any coastal elite would think that like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, like Twin Falls, Idaho is missing something that
Speaker 1: New York has. But it's like, but that's not necessarily true.
Speaker 1: Like there are these there are the people there to
Speaker 1: like build out these communities that would be in place
Speaker 1: anywhere else. Yeah, it's a microcosm of a microcosm. You know.
Speaker 1: What it means of the world is asm of the
Speaker 1: real world. And then you have Twin Falls Adho, which
Speaker 1: is a microcosm of like a New York City drags
Speaker 1: and it's like a smaller version of it. And I
Speaker 1: think that it really feels great to be a part
Speaker 1: of something that feels really impact. We're not we don't
Speaker 1: we're not we're not mentors, we're not uh counselors. Were
Speaker 1: just people having connections with the people. And that sound
Speaker 1: a little b cheap. People watched the show, you realize
Speaker 1: it really is what it is not a makeover show.
Speaker 1: We're not giving them anything that is actually usable. It's
Speaker 1: just us using this as a distraction to amplify the
Speaker 1: voices of trans people, queer people, black people, Asian people,
Speaker 1: indigenous people. I wanted to ask just because It's been
Speaker 1: a long time since I ventured out of l A
Speaker 1: just because of the quarantine, and these past a few days,
Speaker 1: I've been on Long Island, which is obviously part of
Speaker 1: New York State, and so people think blue state and
Speaker 1: they kind of think, oh, it must be sort of
Speaker 1: liberal leaning. But on Long Island it is like I
Speaker 1: was taking a walk the other day and every other
Speaker 1: house there was a huge Trump flag. It's really crazy,
Speaker 1: and I kind of felt like I was in the
Speaker 1: twilight Zone walking down the street because I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are people seeing that I'm not that they could possibly
Speaker 1: be in support of this ideology and this um administration.
Speaker 1: What does it feel like, UM, to be you and
Speaker 1: go into these places. I know you've traveled a lot
Speaker 1: because of RuPaul's drag racing, because you're a successful drag artist,
Speaker 1: But is there a sense of like self consciousness or
Speaker 1: fear that you get going into towns like this and
Speaker 1: having the responsibility of being that person who's going to
Speaker 1: like help this person change their ideology. What does it
Speaker 1: feel like going and doing the show? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm from a red state, UM, so I'm not from
Speaker 1: New York City. I wasn't raised in New York City
Speaker 1: or anything I was. I was born in Georgia. I
Speaker 1: was raised in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi. UM, so I'm not
Speaker 1: a complete stranger to being a liberal in a red area. Um.
Speaker 1: And even my theater program when I was in college
Speaker 1: was like this, like weird Republican theater theater pro Republican
Speaker 1: theater program, Republican theatergra Look. I remember being in the
Speaker 1: green room in my college, like it's like it's like
Speaker 1: about theater lounge at my college and like arguing about
Speaker 1: like George Bush versus like I can't remember who it
Speaker 1: was at the time, maybe John Carry yeah, um, and
Speaker 1: and being like yeah, al grand laws one before it
Speaker 1: was John Carry yeah, and just kind of like arguing
Speaker 1: with this guy was like much older than I was
Speaker 1: and way more articulate than I was, and really ruined,
Speaker 1: like pummeling me that he was like a grad student
Speaker 1: and I was like eighteen, Like yeah, but he's that
Speaker 1: thanking and that that kind of thing. Um. But I
Speaker 1: also realized too, when you live at these people, because
Speaker 1: I've been really obsessed. I've been in girl these YouTube
Speaker 1: like k holes, like you just watch YouTube, Well it's
Speaker 1: it started. It actually all started with talk to You
Speaker 1: Westbrother so many times. And now there is this YouTube
Speaker 1: genre that it's just YouTubers doing videos about other YouTube
Speaker 1: and there are these YouTubers who do documentaries about YouTubers.
Speaker 1: It it's in. I mean, like, there's this YouTube naim
Speaker 1: and watch everything like I'm obsessed. Anyway, then I started
Speaker 1: getting into this whole Trump or YouTube thing, and I
Speaker 1: realized that all those folks are they what they are
Speaker 1: doing is they're operating from fear. I don't think that
Speaker 1: the goal they have is completely different than the goals
Speaker 1: I have, but the they're operating out of a place
Speaker 1: of fear. They feel like they're losing something, and quite frankly,
Speaker 1: in order for all of the people in America have
Speaker 1: more equality, the people at the top have to start
Speaker 1: losing power. The people up here have to get rid
Speaker 1: of something. For the people down here you have something
Speaker 1: because power is finite. That didn't power is an infinite noe,
Speaker 1: bitch is not. There's an infinite number of jobs, there's
Speaker 1: an infinite number of money, there's an infinite number of food,
Speaker 1: there's an infinite number of houses. So for the people
Speaker 1: at the bottom to have more, the people at the
Speaker 1: top half to start giving up more and they realize
Speaker 1: that and it's scary. But then also the people who
Speaker 1: are down at the bottom were being used, and they think,
Speaker 1: these smoking, poor white people in Alabama, don't they realize
Speaker 1: Trump is not for you. Married Trump just signed an
Speaker 1: executive order to to like demolish social Security. Now you
Speaker 1: are in your you're sixty four, You're about to hit
Speaker 1: the fucking limit, and they think, you know, you want
Speaker 1: to have some security because you voted yourself out. And
Speaker 1: then I realized that Trump's not not actually acting in
Speaker 1: their interests as much as they think. And then I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do a whole but positive now
Speaker 1: we're happy to talk about it. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: crazy to me because it's exactly what we're saying, Like
Speaker 1: I'll say on this podcast because I know because some
Speaker 1: of my cous listened to and I will take this risk.
Speaker 1: I have two ants and one of them is high
Speaker 1: income and one of them is lower income, middle class
Speaker 1: to lower income, and they both support Trump. Do you
Speaker 1: think that the one who's low income thinks she might
Speaker 1: be the one who's high income, but she doesn't know
Speaker 1: how much your other art makes she like, wait, so
Speaker 1: it so makes more than me. I think it's more
Speaker 1: cultural than that. I think I think once it gets obviously,
Speaker 1: once it gets to the middle lower income, it must
Speaker 1: be a cultural thing or like a spiritual thing or
Speaker 1: a religious thing, because what else could it be, Because
Speaker 1: you're literally voting in your her own malinterest. Because what
Speaker 1: happens is Trump what he does is he panders to
Speaker 1: other fears they have. For example, Trump will get up there,
Speaker 1: Trump will talk about like, let's say, the liberals will
Speaker 1: say something like, we just want to make sure that
Speaker 1: everyone gets healthcare, and then Trump will get on the
Speaker 1: platform and say something like, We're not gonna be having
Speaker 1: you pay for other people health care. And as a reminder,
Speaker 1: I believe strongly in the second Amendment. Right, whoa whoa right? Right?
Speaker 1: What do you like? Throw those little things in there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about healthcare, who's talking about who's talking about guns? Sure? Sure? Well,
Speaker 1: because because there was some like Leach memo where they
Speaker 1: were considering using just because the poll poll numbers or
Speaker 1: something for Trump that the team that the campaign team
Speaker 1: was considering using quote unquote transgender sort of this is
Speaker 1: the new talking point as just as a wedgiess ship,
Speaker 1: which is like, okay, so this is this is the
Speaker 1: game and all, this is the playbook and all. So
Speaker 1: before I forget, but yeah, your whole social Security example,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, Mary also turns out that she
Speaker 1: is in favor of social Security and so that's like
Speaker 1: a natural literal like social program and so like it's
Speaker 1: like it's like you're it's like no one knows what
Speaker 1: their interests are and people think that, like when people
Speaker 1: don't realize they think that this like this social Security
Speaker 1: is like some random government money. No, that is money
Speaker 1: you paid for. You're supposed to get it back. And
Speaker 1: Trump is trying to just take it and to be
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna keep We're gonna keep it and use
Speaker 1: it for something else then you didn't approve to do,
Speaker 1: but now we're gonna. But now we're gonna switch at
Speaker 1: the very last minute. So when you're able to do
Speaker 1: stuff like ignite, uh, like if these people think that
Speaker 1: Trump genuinely has any truck, doesn't give a funk Trump
Speaker 1: Trump probably doesn't hate trans people, but he knows that
Speaker 1: he can say something about them and then get his
Speaker 1: base fired up, and then he can use that fodder
Speaker 1: to then go ahead and make it seem like then
Speaker 1: get them all riled up so they don't know that
Speaker 1: he's trying to do the Social Security or he'll he'll
Speaker 1: get up there and he'll say something that to a
Speaker 1: complete distract Trump's Trump's values are clearly not Christian. Then
Speaker 1: he runs on this like I'm super Christian. He says
Speaker 1: stuff like, no one loves the Bible more than me.
Speaker 1: He said those words with his arm. He said, no
Speaker 1: one knows more about building walls than I do. If
Speaker 1: that's true, let's put you in a fucking fill with
Speaker 1: brick and more than watch you build the walls, as
Speaker 1: you know so much about it. Also, your wall is failing.
Speaker 1: A big chunk of your wall fell over because of
Speaker 1: strong wind. I couldn't believe that. So how great are
Speaker 1: your walls? Donald? They're not the metaphor was wild. They're
Speaker 1: not kind of crete. Parts of them are just bars.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Naomi small because Naomi smalls
Speaker 1: can slip through the cracks of someone that's sucking walls.
Speaker 1: Naomi walls could bend over backwards. Now we know and
Speaker 1: wall exactly the bad bending of it all. That was
Speaker 1: a new trick exactly. So I'm like, girl, don't even
Speaker 1: like it. But it is a when when you payander
Speaker 1: to people. But all so, I don't want for even
Speaker 1: one second to people believe that the left are the
Speaker 1: only people pandering. I think they certainly nailed it and
Speaker 1: they've gotten better at it, and there are people are
Speaker 1: much more receptive to it. But over on the on
Speaker 1: the right, they'd be pander into Hillary Clinton. We're talking
Speaker 1: about hot sauce in her bag, and Joe Biden was
Speaker 1: talking about it if you if I ain't black, both
Speaker 1: of me, you ain't black, And I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's it's all a mess, and we're
Speaker 1: dealing with decades of mess, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a very recent awareness that that a lot of people
Speaker 1: have about how fucked up it is. And I think we're,
Speaker 1: like I said to my dad the other day, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's a we're trying to talk
Speaker 1: about what could possibly be any of the positives out
Speaker 1: of the situation. And I know, for me, I there
Speaker 1: will never be another mid term. I will ever skip
Speaker 1: local election. I will ever skip And I do think
Speaker 1: there is like a such a greater awareness of you know,
Speaker 1: what our responsibility and our rights are as American citizens,
Speaker 1: so at least that, but you know, it's so thinks
Speaker 1: so much too about um, I don't know. This whole
Speaker 1: election is gonna really robbly well up in a way.
Speaker 1: It's really odd. Like I'm not really here to like
Speaker 1: shame anyone for their smarts or anything, but I am.
Speaker 1: But I do think I'm allowed to say whether that
Speaker 1: someone is qualified for their job or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: based on my little experience of just being an American.
Speaker 1: But like when the president goes into it really is
Speaker 1: embarrassing when the President says stuff like well, we're we
Speaker 1: have Like when when he's on the Axios interview and
Speaker 1: he's he says, we have less cases of corona than
Speaker 1: the world. I know if you all heard him say that.
Speaker 1: He goes, we have less cases in the world, and
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, because we're included in the world's corona count.
Speaker 1: When he goes, when the interviewer goes, we have the
Speaker 1: most cases by percentage like based on our population. Goes, No,
Speaker 1: not that, don't do that, and he won't go back
Speaker 1: and say stuff like you know what, guys, everyone freeze,
Speaker 1: I said, this was no more danger than the flu.
Speaker 1: I need to take that back. That is absolutely completely false.
Speaker 1: I misspoke that. It's not true. This isn't killed almost
Speaker 1: almost two people just in America alone. We have almost
Speaker 1: five million cases in this country. Roll it back. It
Speaker 1: is more dangerous considering that this is the this disease,
Speaker 1: this sickness has killed more people, more Americans in the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, I would say it is dangerous. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: take up No, no, no, yeah, I think we'll just
Speaker 1: take a quick break. And then, you know, I think
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna take a quick break. Okay, and
Speaker 1: only because the queen said so, well, we're right back, okay,
Speaker 1: so we in fact our back and at this point, uh,
Speaker 1: Bob the drag queen, we would like to ask you
Speaker 1: the question that we ask all of our guests, each
Speaker 1: and every single one, and Bowen, what exactly is that
Speaker 1: because I forgot Oh no, Matt, you shouldn't forget, Bob.
Speaker 1: What is the question is what is the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culturists? For me, this is a formative
Speaker 1: piece of pop culture, could be a movie, a book,
Speaker 1: a person, an area, like anything at all. And and
Speaker 1: you didn't forget that. I happen to choose one. No,
Speaker 1: it can mean you know what, it can be whatever
Speaker 1: you want because we're let's let's talk. Well. I had
Speaker 1: a few moments for me. A big moment for me
Speaker 1: growing up was, um, like just the culture surrounding Whoopie
Speaker 1: Goldberg direct, hearing her in Lion King, watching her ghost
Speaker 1: Karina Karina long walk Home. I like seeing someone on
Speaker 1: TV who looked like me, we didn't have eyebrows like me,
Speaker 1: who was dark skinned like me, being told that she
Speaker 1: was amazing, being awarded practically every ward you can get
Speaker 1: an entertainment and I mean unless you, I would not
Speaker 1: get a Soul Train award or something, so she'll have
Speaker 1: them all. Um, were you familiar with her One Woman show?
Speaker 1: Do you think I just turned black and gay us today?
Speaker 1: But I mean like as but I mean like as
Speaker 1: a young Jesus Chris yet, I mean it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a child. No. But in my in my college years, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, it was like the VHS vaults of the
Speaker 1: college and all that stuff. And of course once YouTube,
Speaker 1: when YouTube came out when I was in college, Um,
Speaker 1: I would get ahold of from over there. But like
Speaker 1: I just so like Lion King of Sister Act Sister
Speaker 1: Act two, Corina Ghost Long Walk Home, all that stuff,
Speaker 1: all that whoopee content. I'm a huge like I just
Speaker 1: love Whoopie Goberg a lot um and also full full
Speaker 1: A genuine culture reset was RuPaul's Drag Race. Watching the
Speaker 1: season one of RuPaul's Drag Race, I saw someone on
Speaker 1: TV who I thought looked like me. It was Bbs Harbonnet.
Speaker 1: And everything that I thought was bad about me, black, faggotty, gay,
Speaker 1: fim like I felt, ugly, nappy hair, everything that I
Speaker 1: was told made me bad. I saw this person on
Speaker 1: TV being told that those were all the things that
Speaker 1: actually made her really fat. Was that was being told
Speaker 1: that not not she wasn't great despite those things. She
Speaker 1: was great because of those things. And it's it's something
Speaker 1: that happened on We're here, Amelia. I think all the time.
Speaker 1: She said everything about me has been used against me
Speaker 1: at one point in my life, and that really stuck
Speaker 1: with me that I cannot forget those words. Everything about
Speaker 1: me has been used against me at one point in
Speaker 1: my life. And I was like, I relate to that.
Speaker 1: But then she found this community of drag where they
Speaker 1: don't call her some fat dude, They say, go big girl.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like everything that, like the
Speaker 1: fact that her baldhead became a symbol of beauty for
Speaker 1: her drag. You find a community that uplifts all the
Speaker 1: things that you were told made you garbage and you
Speaker 1: find out that it actually makes you gold. Yes, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: And what what was it like when you first met BB?
Speaker 1: We've met BB and it was everything we could ever
Speaker 1: Oh and the first time I mean meeting BB is
Speaker 1: a combination of magical, remarkable, and exhausting. Yeah. For those
Speaker 1: of you who don't. Who don't aren't familiar with BBS Harbona,
Speaker 1: but maybe you are a later Dragon's Watcher. BBS Abone
Speaker 1: was Valentina before Valentine was Valentine. Someone who really feels
Speaker 1: the fantasy, like she made her own rules about existence.
Speaker 1: She everything she's saying it is real to her. She
Speaker 1: is an African queen. She is like she's wild, She's
Speaker 1: that in her ross singing a circle of life. That's
Speaker 1: who by is. I used to so addresses for her.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you did addresses and I would get something.
Speaker 1: Ever ever told this, But I'm telling who cares I
Speaker 1: was st of these dresses and I was like a
Speaker 1: gown and I would go. I never saw anyone besides
Speaker 1: her best Her roommate was my best friend at the time,
Speaker 1: so I saw in her dresses, but just because we
Speaker 1: were friends, like, I'll show you dress, I love you.
Speaker 1: I saw a bb AD dress and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to charge for this. She was
Speaker 1: she's so cheap. People was like, hey, baby, listen, I
Speaker 1: will do all of the embroider be myself. I'll do
Speaker 1: all of the storing. Um. I will give you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's at old dress fifty dollars. And granted it was
Speaker 1: the dress probably was not great. It was probably not
Speaker 1: a brilliant dress. But I made it. And I was
Speaker 1: like in my twenties. And she didn't say I think
Speaker 1: she did dog where she took that dress and she
Speaker 1: called it a shell. She was like, you make the shell,
Speaker 1: and then I she was shut up, like bitch, I
Speaker 1: made you made. But but but she is one of
Speaker 1: the people that really inspires me and I just I
Speaker 1: love her a lot. I really think she's truly epic,
Speaker 1: and I go, I am so happy. I mean, when
Speaker 1: when we discovered bb well, I mean we we would
Speaker 1: have rediscovered her along with a lot of other people,
Speaker 1: I think during All Stars three, and then it was
Speaker 1: just this thing of like, oh, right, like she she
Speaker 1: has she has sort of been crystallized in amber this
Speaker 1: whole time since season one and has basically been unchanged.
Speaker 1: And then like we just fell down this hole of
Speaker 1: just watching every single one of her music videos are amazing.
Speaker 1: The Cameroon video is I mean to to to to
Speaker 1: recall this comparison. It is Diana Ross singing the Circle
Speaker 1: of Life. It is like pure beautiful, like her like
Speaker 1: dancing in some park in Minneapolis with like all these
Speaker 1: other people and then just her like truly like making
Speaker 1: love to the camera and like she's a star. She's
Speaker 1: a goddamn star. So the dress, the dresses video, face
Speaker 1: face yeah, I made like that two or three, made
Speaker 1: two or three of the dresses video. That's good. That's
Speaker 1: a video. The legend that the the tradition of making
Speaker 1: a rubro videos BBS harmon. It was the first rude
Speaker 1: girl to make a video. And the song was class
Speaker 1: I'm the One, Yeah, I'm the Ship. And then there's
Speaker 1: I'm fun Tonight, which is great. Yeah there is no
Speaker 1: but there is no. I mean talk about like all
Speaker 1: these girls come out with their videos and I mean
Speaker 1: we love purse first. That's up there. For me, there
Speaker 1: is nothing like jungle Jungle kidding. Jungle is a narrative.
Speaker 1: It's uh powerful sort of presence and acting. And like,
Speaker 1: so who sent you in the beginning, who's the interaction
Speaker 1: between her and now? Yeah, yeah, it's it's right behind
Speaker 1: the eyes. It is she she butts them in the
Speaker 1: face with the with the with the blood end of
Speaker 1: a baseball pack. This is this is not me like
Speaker 1: to on horn, But I'm gonna say this if you
Speaker 1: have not in this is a video of mine that
Speaker 1: is lesser known. Not a lot of people know about this.
Speaker 1: I would encourage you all to watch my video yet
Speaker 1: another dig. This is one of another day achievements. This
Speaker 1: is one of my honestly, actually I want you I
Speaker 1: want you to watch it and then talk to me
Speaker 1: about I will wait the three minutes after the podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of It's all. Watch it. It's about
Speaker 1: two or three years old, this wee, but I'm still
Speaker 1: very proud of that video. Also, I mean, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite tracks that you're on is Toddrick Wrong bit.
Speaker 1: I love wrong bitch, and I love all of Toddrick's stuff,
Speaker 1: And I feel like Toddrick does not get the amount
Speaker 1: of attention that he deserves for what exactly goes on
Speaker 1: in his brain and is Todrick is amazing. Todricks next level.
Speaker 1: Toddrick is insane, like I've never seen, to be honest
Speaker 1: at all, I've never met anyone who works as hard
Speaker 1: as to call. I can almost guarantee you even beyond
Speaker 1: it doesn't work as hard as I can almost promise
Speaker 1: you want a claim. I mean, creatively, he executes so much.
Speaker 1: I mean he's choreographing for the girls, He's chorographing for
Speaker 1: the Rual girls. He's doing his own cho cho no. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying like he's really the girls. Yeah he did.
Speaker 1: Uh it must be good to you? Was that one?
Speaker 1: Good to that video? Wow? Yeah? That really feels like
Speaker 1: him actually now that you say that, because I know
Speaker 1: he's I know he's um in the Taylor universe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he works with Taylor as well. I I agree that
Speaker 1: drag Race was this cultural rista and yeah for sure,
Speaker 1: and and I feel like, well, season seven, but then
Speaker 1: season eight was scooted the first season where you had
Speaker 1: people um vocally be like I did drag after the
Speaker 1: show started, Like, I like, this was a new generation,
Speaker 1: a new turnover of people. And I said to the camera,
Speaker 1: I started doing drag because of the show. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: and that was that was huge for me. I was
Speaker 1: not a drag queen before post Drag Race. I had
Speaker 1: done Dragon maybe once or surprise in college theater stuff,
Speaker 1: but never like in the in the clars like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But it was seeing BB that made you feel like
Speaker 1: this could be something much for me. Yeah. It was BB.
Speaker 1: I remembering I had Tebow. That's how long ago it was.
Speaker 1: I was scrolling through Tebow and I was going through
Speaker 1: I went to the Gate Chann. I just scrolled through
Speaker 1: the Gate channel and I saw Roup had was the
Speaker 1: show record And then I watched that. I got in
Speaker 1: from work and I was like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: show is amazing. So I've watched every episode of Drag
Speaker 1: Race in real time. Yeah, for sure. Were you doing
Speaker 1: stand up before that or were you kind of just
Speaker 1: doing that? So I was writing stand up but I
Speaker 1: had never actually I was too afraid to get on
Speaker 1: stage and do it. And then I decided to try
Speaker 1: my hand and stand up On the same night I
Speaker 1: tried my handed drags. I did my my first knight
Speaker 1: of stand up was also my first drag performance ever
Speaker 1: at the New or Comedy Club. I see, what does
Speaker 1: it feel like to sort of have like the industry
Speaker 1: quote unquote take drag queens seriously as comedians because we
Speaker 1: actually had We had Jinks in Alaska on one of
Speaker 1: our shows, and I had a conversation with the drinks afterwards,
Speaker 1: and she was like, you know, every time we kind
Speaker 1: of come to one of these things, like it always
Speaker 1: feels like, um, they always treat us like the drag
Speaker 1: queens and they don't treat us like actual talent. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like there's been like a shift in the
Speaker 1: past few years about how you get treated as like
Speaker 1: just an artist and a comedian and a performer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well for me, I mean I know that I've started,
Speaker 1: um really shifting. How like the gigs I'll do, for example,
Speaker 1: like here's the guy I got called by, Uh, I
Speaker 1: got called by what's what's his name? Andy Cohen? Do
Speaker 1: if you know he has all the dragons to show
Speaker 1: up and they act like the celebrities. Yeah, the watch
Speaker 1: it happens live yeah, yeah, watch Happens Live and I
Speaker 1: did one for Ends with Asset and then they called
Speaker 1: me after I want drag Race and I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, you're not gonna go step behind the bar. Now,
Speaker 1: I remember thinking myself, but I'm one of the celebrities,
Speaker 1: because when I thought to myself, I was like, but
Speaker 1: I should be I should be in the chair, especially
Speaker 1: on a show with a gay audience, like we'd be
Speaker 1: more excited to see you than fucking someone on fucking
Speaker 1: CBS as elementary. So I told SO. I told him
Speaker 1: that I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna come back and
Speaker 1: do it. And I said, I don't know what I'll
Speaker 1: ever come back into the shows that I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: the chair. And of course they have called me a
Speaker 1: few times, do you want to come in personate? Uh so?
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, no, I really don't. I genuinely
Speaker 1: don't have any of you. Now you have, I feel
Speaker 1: like you have very successfully sort of kind of branched out,
Speaker 1: branched out quote unquote, but like you doing like Angels
Speaker 1: in San Francisco was like like a thing that like
Speaker 1: people took notice that I feel And yeah, so what
Speaker 1: happened was Tony Kushner. And if you don't know Tony
Speaker 1: kush Tony Kushner is the Pulitzer winning anyone winning. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's one. He's huge. He's wrote Asian America Abraham, I
Speaker 1: mean Lincoln recover A wrote, he wrote Asian America wrote Lincoln.
Speaker 1: He wrote Carolina change Um. He's a really big deal. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he was he's a band of drag Race, and he
Speaker 1: watched drag Race and at some point he was like,
Speaker 1: Bob seemed like he'd be a good actor. So he
Speaker 1: literally just went to my website Tony Kushner. Tony Kushner
Speaker 1: was I was like, hey be in my show will
Speaker 1: you Be Believes? Which is like it's an incredible role,
Speaker 1: thank you. It was really Whenever you asked me who
Speaker 1: did I play? I always I always say the black person.
Speaker 1: I was like, gay person is like, who did you play? Well,
Speaker 1: only it's only weird when they go I actually really
Speaker 1: love Angian. I'm really familiar with angels. Who did you
Speaker 1: play in them? Like the only black person in the show?
Speaker 1: Off your Yeah, I was Harpard, Like who do you
Speaker 1: think I was? But it was really great. I was
Speaker 1: also there I mean with some really great actors, with
Speaker 1: Randy Harrison form uh, Steven Steven Spanella, who's the original
Speaker 1: prior to it was great really and I was there
Speaker 1: for six months. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask how long it was. I'm actually doing My
Speaker 1: friends and I in Quarantine are doing a reading of
Speaker 1: it on zoom and who are you? Who are you? Prior?
Speaker 1: Of course? Wow, but I'm Berry Steven Spielberg. You know
Speaker 1: that scene, right Bowen, you know the play? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's like one of the last scenes in the first half.
Speaker 1: But it's Uh, it's interesting because I hadn't actually realized
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it because I didn't see the recent
Speaker 1: Broadway version with Andrew Garfield. Um, and I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: it since I had watched the mini series. I have
Speaker 1: not read Angels in so longer. Well to your friend,
Speaker 1: um Millennium approaches Believe is only in like three or
Speaker 1: four scenes, Um include miss Allied as well and then
Speaker 1: missing in Paris. She is And I think like a
Speaker 1: ton seventeen or nineteen, it's back to back to back
Speaker 1: with with with real, real, real, real good scenes too.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so funny because Like I said, it
Speaker 1: has been so long since I've seen it because I
Speaker 1: was younger when I watched the mini series with Um
Speaker 1: but Metal Streep, Um, Patrick Wilson, etcetera. Um and Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Wright played the Belize role. Um. But it's been such
Speaker 1: a long time and now as like a gay adult,
Speaker 1: it's so much more. It really just hits. It's just
Speaker 1: such a piece of art. Invite I would like to
Speaker 1: go listen if if I'm free, Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: mean we would be thrilled all seven hours. Truly, it's
Speaker 1: just like act by act but um but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's amazing and I it's interesting. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's every Tuesday we read a different we read um
Speaker 1: uh like act. Yeah, it's so fascinating to read it
Speaker 1: and realize how how oppressions it is. Like, it's really interesting,
Speaker 1: especially in a pandemic to be and not to compare
Speaker 1: it to what AIDS was, but it's interesting to hear
Speaker 1: like the paranoia about illness and the uncertainty, and also
Speaker 1: to be um written that takes place during a time
Speaker 1: where the government didn't have our best interests in mind.
Speaker 1: It's just really it's really a timeless piece Unfortunately, before
Speaker 1: you do Boys in the Band do augustin Age County,
Speaker 1: and then after Boys in the Band the inheritance. But
Speaker 1: hopefully we're not doing this. I know. But do you
Speaker 1: guys remember back we thought quarantine was going to be
Speaker 1: a month. It was so funny. Yeah, when they said
Speaker 1: we'd have to do this for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I thought I was going back to work and everything. Well,
Speaker 1: this is the other thing. Remember when Trump was saying,
Speaker 1: like the first week of quarantine, this will be over
Speaker 1: by July or August, And now that it's July or August,
Speaker 1: I'm like, l oh l, what a time to Well,
Speaker 1: they thought that the heat would kill the virus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they said. They were. They were like, of
Speaker 1: course in the summer months, the virus won't survive. We
Speaker 1: know this. And it's like, do we know it's not
Speaker 1: that hot? Jesus Christ, I don't even aside. I dropped
Speaker 1: out of theater school and I know that what what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And we how are you quarantining? There?
Speaker 1: Have you been there for a while? Girl? This is
Speaker 1: a long story. I can't here to look for a house.
Speaker 1: I'm going about a house in l A. But then
Speaker 1: I can't look for a house. But already both the
Speaker 1: tickets with my boyfriend had a surgery, so I'm here
Speaker 1: to like look look after him and say hey da
Speaker 1: him and all that thing. Okay, well so you're thinking
Speaker 1: about relocating though, Yeah, it's good. It means the move yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. But when I want to quickly talk about
Speaker 1: how remarkable, um and great that coal miners scene you
Speaker 1: do what RuPaul was? Oh? Thanks, We were just talking
Speaker 1: about that before, how it wasn't in the real show
Speaker 1: it was. It was a thing they put online and
Speaker 1: their hands on it was so great. It was really
Speaker 1: really good. I was. I was talking about how one
Speaker 1: of my worst moments at the show was when that
Speaker 1: sketch got It wasn't cut for time at first. It
Speaker 1: was moved to later on in the show, like after
Speaker 1: the second time the musical, after the second time Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber went on, so it was like, it's definitely getting
Speaker 1: cut for time, it's definitely getting tough for time. It did,
Speaker 1: and then I justin these songs one, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. So literally, when Justin Bieber was on stage,
Speaker 1: I can tell the story when Justin Bieber was on
Speaker 1: stage the second time and I was like, the odds
Speaker 1: of this coming to term are not good. So I
Speaker 1: went out to see Justin Bieber's number, and then I
Speaker 1: sidled up next to Lauren because Laurence sits stands on
Speaker 1: the floor whenever the musical guest goes up, and I
Speaker 1: went up to him and whispered to him, can we
Speaker 1: please put the dress rehearsal version online? And then he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can. Because I was like, because I had explained
Speaker 1: to like, because I was like, because he knew that, like,
Speaker 1: this was such an important show for me that like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to feel this way about any other host.
Speaker 1: Like it's rue, you know, and like as much of
Speaker 1: like a you know, a little like Rorschach test Rue
Speaker 1: is for a lot of queer people. Now, it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's still rue, Paul, Like it's still you know,
Speaker 1: you don't need to explain to me life in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. And I don't expect anyone to be perfect,
Speaker 1: so I don't need any explanation of why is important
Speaker 1: me of all people? Sure, sure, but it's like and
Speaker 1: we can all like is like I thought you like
Speaker 1: settled up? I thought you like, I'm surprised you didn't
Speaker 1: since Nancy caring to think out just the sneak out
Speaker 1: to buy more time for your Yeah, who knows, I
Speaker 1: don't think, Oh, thank you. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: like I I was proud of a lot of the
Speaker 1: like sort of queer leaning stuff that I've gotten on
Speaker 1: the show in the past, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this is it's rude. Like I gotta, like, you know,
Speaker 1: try to like throw in something fun and like but
Speaker 1: also like classic, and so you know, we just basically
Speaker 1: wrote like a Dynasty scene taking place. It was very Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was obviously burned in the bottle at
Speaker 1: some point. It was very burned to the bottle at
Speaker 1: something dying burned in the bottle, dying name burned, burned
Speaker 1: in a bottle bottle. Wait, you know I thought of
Speaker 1: I thought of one before. Has anyone done this head
Speaker 1: of topper headed top like miss head a hopper? No one?
Speaker 1: I think no one's done it because it's bad. I
Speaker 1: think because it's a really bad drag. Honestly, I said it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is a C plus attempt.
Speaker 1: You lose your enthusiasm as you're saying this head of topper. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm a really big fan of Are you familiar with
Speaker 1: Mommy DearS at all? Like yes, yes, I just want
Speaker 1: I just watched it recently, like gay familiar, not just
Speaker 1: a little familiar with familiar. What do you bring up?
Speaker 1: What's the reference? A great drag name will be Barbara,
Speaker 1: please please, and there's some please Barbara, please please, Barbara,
Speaker 1: please Barbara. You needed to ask Caroline God, I need please?
Speaker 1: Isn't that a great name? Walking the stage? Barbara? Please
Speaker 1: please please Barbara. Something about the apps too? If you
Speaker 1: need anything? This is wonderful. This isn't what you you
Speaker 1: delifferently and empressed me in front of the reporters us
Speaker 1: you love to make me hit you. It's so good, truly.
Speaker 1: When Ruke came like there was there was like a
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes where it was me Rue, James Anderson,
Speaker 1: another gay writer at the show and we're just quoting
Speaker 1: Mommy Dearest and just but like the second that like
Speaker 1: ru felt comfortable with us, I could tell was when
Speaker 1: um uh was when I said I'm not mad at you,
Speaker 1: I'm mad at the dirt and like them like it
Speaker 1: all like fell away and we were we were like
Speaker 1: on good terms and it was it was all good
Speaker 1: from there. It's like we had a party and one
Speaker 1: guy's like, I'm just gonna do one bump of coats
Speaker 1: or everyone knows it's cool. Yeah, I was gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do it in the middle of the room.
Speaker 1: So everyone here, we're just starting into the atmosphere and
Speaker 1: we're off, and then we're off. You gotta test the gay.
Speaker 1: You gotta know which quote to do. You can in
Speaker 1: that quote in some rooms they don't get nothing. But
Speaker 1: then you're looking at someone and go, oh, so you agree,
Speaker 1: you think you're yeah, yeah, I mean it's a generational
Speaker 1: divide for sure. But then our friend's studie Green has
Speaker 1: a really good one. I think a really good drag name,
Speaker 1: which which is old tweets, but I think old for anything,
Speaker 1: old before anything is a good drag name. Oh here
Speaker 1: comes old tweets Old. A good drag king name is
Speaker 1: a Lincoln bio or or or deleted tweet is horrible
Speaker 1: things when whenever anyone refers to um, whenever there's an
Speaker 1: article that's like in a tweet that has since been deleted,
Speaker 1: I just love that sentence that intro like in a
Speaker 1: tweet that since been deleted. Well, I'm always in treatment
Speaker 1: the fact that in these news articles are always just
Speaker 1: they actually U r L copy the link instead of
Speaker 1: screen grabby, like mama problematic, it's gonna thinking away screen
Speaker 1: grab that mug mom. Always that break and grab that
Speaker 1: mug mom. Real culture. Um, Bob, I just want to
Speaker 1: I did want to say thank you for giving us
Speaker 1: our fucking favorite episode of Game Show Too. You came
Speaker 1: out and played that so sweet. I think you had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun that day. It was weird we
Speaker 1: had and Darcy reached out to me on the internet
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, she's the best ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's really sweet, She's the best ever, wonderful. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: so what do you say? Bone? Is it time I think? Well,
Speaker 1: before I do that, I can't leave. I know I've
Speaker 1: said it before air, but I want everyone to know
Speaker 1: that I also appreciate Mad Roger because I was talking
Speaker 1: mad about his hit song be a Bit Too to
Speaker 1: Friend this Pride available on Instagram and YouTube at some
Speaker 1: point because that was like something Bone and I were
Speaker 1: doing for fun whatever, And then once Drinksman soon liked it,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe this take has legs And
Speaker 1: I still have a standing offer from her to go
Speaker 1: into the studio and do a recording of it, and
Speaker 1: she said she would jump on the track, And I'm saying, now, Bob,
Speaker 1: the jack creen also needs to be on the track. Listen,
Speaker 1: you want some cabaret jazz version, No, you, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do a bitch track called be a Bit to your
Speaker 1: Closest Friends Pride. Honestly, I'm doubt And also, you know,
Speaker 1: Jinks contacted me and she was like, I'd like to
Speaker 1: do the song in my show, and I was like, please,
Speaker 1: please do it. She's probably performed it more than I
Speaker 1: have at this point. Listen, I'm gonna right now, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta trade numbers. We're gonna, We're gonna
Speaker 1: get being based to your closest friends trending. You're seeing
Speaker 1: the beginnings of a collab. I'm into it, all right,
Speaker 1: Let's do I don't Think so, honey. So this is
Speaker 1: our finale of every episode of Lost Culture, which is
Speaker 1: I don't Think so honey. We take sixty seconds to
Speaker 1: rail against something in pop culture that, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something we hate. Sorry to say the word hate,
Speaker 1: but this is worth saying it. We don't I get it?
Speaker 1: Needs to be dressed down bo when I do have
Speaker 1: something I could do, Okay, that's good. Um, I've got
Speaker 1: you on the clock that is patent Rodgers. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, bugs you have to go. I understand that
Speaker 1: we need some of you for the environment, but Sugar,
Speaker 1: we are already going down, absolutely so winging in that area.
Speaker 1: So we're actually gonna let go of bugs. I have
Speaker 1: to say, I don't think so, honey. Bugs. You're itchy,
Speaker 1: you're crawley, you're looky, you're bookie, you are not it.
Speaker 1: Can I say something? You're too small, and if you're big,
Speaker 1: fuck you even more. Fuck bugs of all curs, and
Speaker 1: fuck the stinging that bugs do. I'm out here on
Speaker 1: Long Island. I'm dealing with the humidity. The bugs are
Speaker 1: out here. They're not here to play. They're here to bite,
Speaker 1: there here to suck, there here to fuck. Unfortunately, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to say. Here's what i'd say, bugs. I like
Speaker 1: no media about you, not even Ants, which has j Lo,
Speaker 1: which I usually love all her ship. J Lo was
Speaker 1: not even giving you ten percent in the movie. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch a bug's life. I'd rather
Speaker 1: get thrown into uh lava pit. No bugs, I don't
Speaker 1: there's a honey bugs and that's one minute and there's
Speaker 1: none in Los Angeles. That's not true. Shut up a
Speaker 1: false Shut up, you're both wrong. Get out of here. No,
Speaker 1: that's just because you're an actor. That's that's because you
Speaker 1: have the ability to play belize. And I don't believe
Speaker 1: that there was a bug right there. That's called word play.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, I don't think so. Honey bugs and
Speaker 1: they can go if if this earth is sinking the
Speaker 1: way I feel it is that we can get rid
Speaker 1: of them. Bugs found dad, bugs, bugs about bugs will
Speaker 1: outlive us all bugs. Yeah, bugs are bugs right here
Speaker 1: to stay. I'm sorry, Now that's odd. I think that
Speaker 1: the reason why bugs are doing so what was because
Speaker 1: they aren't expected to stick around as long has a
Speaker 1: longer animals stick around, the worst off they are. Why
Speaker 1: are elephants always extinct? And why there's so many sucking flaws?
Speaker 1: It's truly the worst. The worst animals are the ones
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of. It's true. I would love
Speaker 1: to see more pandas out here, but you know what,
Speaker 1: there's just not very many of them. Also, there was
Speaker 1: a lot to I don't think, so honey this week,
Speaker 1: and I chose bugs I could have. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Anyone tweeting about how the CARDI BN Megan
Speaker 1: single is inappropriate go fund yourself. Who's saying that? Now?
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's like a lot of Republican congressmen
Speaker 1: being like what is this. I'm like, why the hell
Speaker 1: do they care? It's because they can have their little
Speaker 1: talking point. Yeah. Yeah, there was a ton to I
Speaker 1: don't think, so honey this week, and I chose bugs.
Speaker 1: I've got one. I've got I've got a pretty crazy one.
Speaker 1: I love when you have one. Okay, so I think
Speaker 1: you got a pretty crazy one. I think people people
Speaker 1: will relate, all right, So this is gonna be bone.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Speaking of books, books with like
Speaker 1: the fake distress texture already and now let me distress
Speaker 1: the books on my own. I want to wear down
Speaker 1: the book with the elements in my house. Don't give
Speaker 1: me this like series of unfortunate events like you know,
Speaker 1: were like on the book, like when the pages get
Speaker 1: all like scratchy on the side. When they do that,
Speaker 1: they distress it on purpose to make the book seem
Speaker 1: rustic or something. I don't I don't even know what
Speaker 1: aesthetic it falls into, Honey, I don't think you selling
Speaker 1: me a book that is supposed to look bad when
Speaker 1: I don't know how that serves the narrative. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that serves the marketing. Were beyond this. The
Speaker 1: distressed books aesthetic is trapped in two thousand three. We
Speaker 1: are seventeen years removed, transcended from that moment. Do not
Speaker 1: pull back into the tide of two thousand three, because look,
Speaker 1: we think the country's bad now, is pretty bad back
Speaker 1: then too, maybe not as bad as it is now.
Speaker 1: But the that Iraq war that really did a number
Speaker 1: on everything, that Iraq war. And that's one minute. So
Speaker 1: but when I get it, you wanta you want to
Speaker 1: be the one to whether your own materials. Yes, do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about? Like, it's it's here.
Speaker 1: I have one right right in front of me forest.
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. It's it's this thing.
Speaker 1: It's like it's got like the ridges there, you know,
Speaker 1: like those kinds of books that are like fake torn up. Sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: you don't need to do the work in reading the book.
Speaker 1: When it comes to Boney, you give it to him
Speaker 1: hill Weather at himself. He will tear through these books.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do love. I do love that you're
Speaker 1: able to, you know, wear a book down physically. And
Speaker 1: that's something he missed from from audio books or from
Speaker 1: uh from yeah, from audio books and e books. So
Speaker 1: it's actually a really culture. You can't wear an audio
Speaker 1: book down. You can't wear it. It's a real culture.
Speaker 1: Number fourteen. It can't be fourteen. There's so many four
Speaker 1: teensy three. You can't wear an audio book down. All right,
Speaker 1: Bob the drag Queen already with it. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: All right, I just wrote one for myself. I didn't
Speaker 1: to try to have one kind of guest. Let's see
Speaker 1: if this is a minute at all, and if not,
Speaker 1: also all star ranting you're ready, this is beautiful. This
Speaker 1: is Bob the drag Queens. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And uh, time starts now, game, I don't think so too.
Speaker 1: Showing your video in a zoom, why do you need
Speaker 1: to see my face? You already know what I look like.
Speaker 1: I chose this picture for a reason. This is a
Speaker 1: photo shopped image. And not only that, but I took
Speaker 1: this picture back when I first moved to New York
Speaker 1: City and at the skin of a nut free Milky
Speaker 1: Way chocolate bar. And now I'm a webbing age Reese's
Speaker 1: pizza you found in the couch after five years. The
Speaker 1: shower this morning, and I haven't showered in the last
Speaker 1: week at all. If we're being honest, and if I
Speaker 1: turned my camera, if I don't turn my camera on,
Speaker 1: you need to know that I'm only dressed from the
Speaker 1: waist up. And on top of that, the only clean
Speaker 1: part of my apartment is the area you are seeing
Speaker 1: behind me. If I turn my camera to the or
Speaker 1: to the right, it's absolutely gonna look like the day
Speaker 1: after the Stonewall riots. So we lug into the video
Speaker 1: and you say, can't we see your face? The answer
Speaker 1: is a flaming fucking no, you cannot. I And that's
Speaker 1: one minute. Everyone. We should just make it clear that Bob,
Speaker 1: I think that was directed at us, and and we
Speaker 1: and we we can receive it. Yeah, we just want
Speaker 1: to say that first of all, in this quarantem and
Speaker 1: this quarantine we have to be reserving something, and if
Speaker 1: that must mean face to face contact, we're happy to
Speaker 1: see you. And that photo that you had up before
Speaker 1: was you know, the photo shop. I mean it was gorgeous,
Speaker 1: but that wasn't the real Bob. That wasn't the real Bob.
Speaker 1: That was a curated version. That was a curated And
Speaker 1: now he's hidden, he's hid in the video. Wow. See,
Speaker 1: And already it's a less sort of visually commanding experience
Speaker 1: without experience. But that was an excellent I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: What are the rules? I mean, like if you're not
Speaker 1: like you know, on the meeting, or if you're not
Speaker 1: like pulling focus, it's like, yeah, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to be seen all that the entire time. Either is
Speaker 1: everyone knows their video is not on. Like when people
Speaker 1: are like your videos got on, it's like a bitch.
Speaker 1: We the fu no us right before this, and we
Speaker 1: were like, I don't think Bob his video was on.
Speaker 1: He heard us the whole time. He was just like
Speaker 1: getting ready, rolling his fucking damn eyes. These two, Um damn,
Speaker 1: what a pleasure for us to have you, Bob the
Speaker 1: drag Queen. So wonderful. It's been coming on. It's been
Speaker 1: really wonderful. I really think you're both really magnificent And um,
Speaker 1: what's good with this reading of your show? You're gonna
Speaker 1: do a reading of your your play Night Soap is Uh,
Speaker 1: it's on the schedule. We just don't know where it
Speaker 1: is on the schedule, but we're going to figure out
Speaker 1: about that and then we will let everyone know. But basically,
Speaker 1: Bone and I wrote it. We what was it anfest?
Speaker 1: It was years ago. We Ruby Rue, who I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know, got up, got us all up and dragged
Speaker 1: and beat our face for the very first time ever.
Speaker 1: And we basically played two warring women in the chocolate
Speaker 1: industry and we wrote a whole play about it. And uh,
Speaker 1: Bowen and I are going to do it, and we'll
Speaker 1: be donating all the money that people, um would sort
Speaker 1: of throw our way to watch it. Not that you
Speaker 1: have to in order to watch it, but it's a
Speaker 1: two person show. Yes, I can't wait to see. I
Speaker 1: would love to whenever happens, let me know, I would
Speaker 1: love to attend. Oh my god, I think my life
Speaker 1: this is not. I feel like I'm confident enough in
Speaker 1: the writing and just in your um and your sensibilities
Speaker 1: that I think you would enjoy this, I really do.
Speaker 1: I don't remally say that to throw back to the
Speaker 1: Dynasty era war paint. It's very war paint. Is there
Speaker 1: like a timeline, like in the next month, In the
Speaker 1: next I would say, in the next month, yes, yes, no,
Speaker 1: it's that was ahead of top or delivery. Your voice
Speaker 1: didn't up, but it went up a few notes. Top
Speaker 1: is it better if? If? It? Is? It better if
Speaker 1: it's ted? A topper in the next month tends to
Speaker 1: be Boone tends to be a little bit busier than
Speaker 1: me with his job on the hit sketch show Saturday
Speaker 1: Night Live. Not anymore, not for not for a while longer. Um, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do it the next month. We'll do that. Um.
Speaker 1: And also it is we we totally forgot sibling rivalry.
Speaker 1: Sibling you better be listening to sibling rivalry With the
Speaker 1: mon exchange, who is someone that we must get on
Speaker 1: this pot wonderful wet You know? I went on the
Speaker 1: exchange right and it was so fun and Monai like
Speaker 1: Money's got the damn set up. Money looks gorgeous over
Speaker 1: the zoom camera. We gotta say so, you're acknowledging person
Speaker 1: she didn't look like good. Drag her? Wow, boy, and
Speaker 1: the library is closed. You said we love all the
Speaker 1: New York Queens. Every year, whenever the New York Queens
Speaker 1: go on, we are in the corner and also to
Speaker 1: the left, and then the things that goes up you
Speaker 1: and you look like baby Yoda. Yeah, Baby yodas cute.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna let baby Yoda here? That's the question. Yes,
Speaker 1: did you see baby Yoda in the WAP video? Oh
Speaker 1: that's something I'm gonna need. Honestly, I just tweeted the
Speaker 1: other day picture goodnight plus see what acid is damn
Speaker 1: dirty to me? Baby Yoda speaking in adult Yoda's voice,
Speaker 1: jarring hot moment. You just you just dragged you exposed me.
Speaker 1: I've not seen the Mandalorian. I'm just jumping on the
Speaker 1: Baby Yoda. You're missing wagon zero, you're missing zero? All right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he will watch Mandalorian. You didn't watch Mandalorian? No, definitely not.
Speaker 1: But I did watch We're Here, which is we need
Speaker 1: for a second season. Congratulations, the plug of it all.
Speaker 1: And then let's win that fucking emmy, shall we? In fact,
Speaker 1: before you go, let's see who the funk you're up against?
Speaker 1: I want to I want to spread. I want to
Speaker 1: be Schumer r up against Kevin Hart. Um. Okay, yes,
Speaker 1: Amy Schumer learns to cook. That ain't winning an Emmy. Cheer, Oh, Cheer, Cheer. Cheer.
Speaker 1: Cheer is a cultural moment. But you know what we
Speaker 1: are people, We're here. I love Cheer. I remember not
Speaker 1: that much about the show, like with some distance. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it was it was all very it was, it was
Speaker 1: very sort of. It didn't occupy space in my brain
Speaker 1: for that long. And I love it. I think it's
Speaker 1: a wonderful work. But I feel like we're here is
Speaker 1: just so important culturally that I heard that the director
Speaker 1: of Cheer is a Holocaust denier. Damn on that. But
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to get out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to vote elsewhere on that one. How do you
Speaker 1: say that? Okay, listen, this is a campaign, and on
Speaker 1: the campaign trail things get very ugly, you get dirty.
Speaker 1: We have um Okay, but also can we say three
Speaker 1: out of five of these shows are super super queer,
Speaker 1: so you gotta love that love, right, So I'm still
Speaker 1: there's there's two drag shows there and also alright, well,
Speaker 1: damn the drag Queen. Thank you for coming and doing
Speaker 1: Lost Culture my pleasure. Thank you all. And I'll see
Speaker 1: what they're reading. Yes, yes, and also you know we
Speaker 1: and every episode with the song, isn't that right? Bowen Yang?
Speaker 1: It's rights and here we go, Jessy love me, how
Speaker 1: well I know you're doing it all? I boy,