Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast wants Eric Davis in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Welcome to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis. I come
Speaker 1: to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. If you are not baseball incline,
Speaker 1: Eric Davis was five tool star Sincendi Red's baseball team,
Speaker 1: West's favorite UH team, and injuries conspired to keep him
Speaker 1: out of the Hall. But perhaps maybe as a nod
Speaker 1: to us, the baseball gods and really the voters, now
Speaker 1: you get dicey where you're counting on the voters for
Speaker 1: a miracle. UH, put Eric Davis in. But great player
Speaker 1: Eric Davis, I used to tease West. He was no
Speaker 1: Darryl Strawberry, who was another UM superstar of that ILK
Speaker 1: in the late eighties. But Eric Davis is probably a
Speaker 1: more well rounded player. For some reason. I always just
Speaker 1: when I think of the Reds, I just think how
Speaker 1: silly it is um that their original name was the
Speaker 1: Red Stockings, and how silly it remains that there are
Speaker 1: two baseball teams named the Red Sox. In the White
Speaker 1: Sox and there were the Red and the Reds are
Speaker 1: the Red legs. I don't know, it just seems silly,
Speaker 1: but I think socks is a is a newer stockings
Speaker 1: was the word of the day back then it wasn't
Speaker 1: as off putting. But I mean, I have a suggestion.
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame, the Baseball Hall of Fame, is
Speaker 1: up in Cooper's town, correct, I mean a very I've
Speaker 1: been there as a child, A very nice Um, it's
Speaker 1: a nice part of the country, very serene. But maybe, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got a lot of listeners, a lot
Speaker 1: of power behind this show. Um. You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of in vogue to to storm places of security these days,
Speaker 1: not all in good in good faith, but this would
Speaker 1: be we storm Cooper's town and forced Eric Davis's presence
Speaker 1: into the bill danger they if they do bus we
Speaker 1: could have someone. I'm sure someone would be good at
Speaker 1: that creating a I initially liked where you're going because
Speaker 1: I thought you were going with grassroots campaign and start
Speaker 1: building something on the internet in West's memory. And then
Speaker 1: you went the other way, um, which maybe connects us
Speaker 1: with another level of insurgency. I don't know, No, I'm
Speaker 1: not I would say that that was that was inglorious.
Speaker 1: What happened in our nation's capital. This would be brute
Speaker 1: force with with heart behind it something I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Greg would not be I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked that Mark was the one to propose
Speaker 1: an insurrection uh and and could be. We've we've often
Speaker 1: said that Mark would be a great cult leader, um
Speaker 1: if he needed to be. But I don't think this
Speaker 1: is the spot for it. Plus it's still COVID times,
Speaker 1: so all this, let's let's hold it off. I don't
Speaker 1: you know the poor people that are they're working, You
Speaker 1: know that it's a nice place there they're doing. We
Speaker 1: can table it for now. I kind of feel bad too,
Speaker 1: because that is your style, Mark, But like January six
Speaker 1: kind of ruined insurgency a little bit. Also, I have
Speaker 1: no history of I have no history of storming building.
Speaker 1: It's not my style. I mean, I just think I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it looks bad because of what's
Speaker 1: just happened. And I get that and that was bad.
Speaker 1: But this would be like some sometimes when you storm
Speaker 1: a building it's for a good reason. But but again
Speaker 1: there's no support for I mean, there's there's plenty of
Speaker 1: that too. Zero security guards up there on Cooper's down
Speaker 1: and might know. I think they're It's like the British
Speaker 1: sleeping in the middle of the night. We we would
Speaker 1: have our way. Um, speaking of the late great Chris Westling,
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Speaker 1: So if you haven't um made any nation, It's okay
Speaker 1: if you don't, because obviously everyone has different financial situations.
Speaker 1: But if you have anything to give and it doesn't
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Speaker 1: out wherever uh you find a hero social media page. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, still really weird. Three weeks tomorrow, Westcone, but
Speaker 1: we sold you on as a podcast. Right now, we
Speaker 1: have a really good show today. A bombshell peace dropped
Speaker 1: in the Athletic. They do really good stuff over at
Speaker 1: the Athletic. That that has been a successful experiment in
Speaker 1: sports media if you ask me, not trying to get
Speaker 1: a job there, I'm just saying I like good sports
Speaker 1: journalism and I often find myself reading the Athletic and
Speaker 1: three members of the athletic wrote a combined to write,
Speaker 1: UMU expose if you will in the situation between Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson and the Seahawks. And when I woke up this
Speaker 1: mo running boys, I didn't think much of what was
Speaker 1: going on in Seattle other than Russell Wilson being a
Speaker 1: little cranky. You read this piece by Michael Shawn unmiited, Yes,
Speaker 1: you read it piece by Michael Sean Dugar or Douger Um,
Speaker 1: Mike Sando and Jason James, and you have a whole
Speaker 1: different perspective, Greg uh And we're gonna have Michael Sean
Speaker 1: Dougar Douger, Well, we can clear that up. We'll have
Speaker 1: to ask him in minutes to talk about what's going
Speaker 1: on in Seattle because it's getting grim. Also a little
Speaker 1: more QB talk, another big veteran involved with some drama
Speaker 1: that seems to be getting cleared up. And then at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, vision boards are big. Right now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna build one for one season. But let's start
Speaker 1: yes by hitting some quarterback news. Let's go Ricky, Mr
Speaker 1: Mr Mr unmiited. Alright, let's start with what's going on
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Ben Roethlisberger. This has been a bit of
Speaker 1: a soap opera playing out for the past couple of
Speaker 1: weeks about whether the uh soon to be thirty nine
Speaker 1: year old quarterback would return for another season. Uh. Now
Speaker 1: it's happening. We got this. Uh D d Kinkawalla our
Speaker 1: own edity on NFL network UM Wednesday reported that the
Speaker 1: Steelers had confirmed they want him back, and then it
Speaker 1: became public when Steelers President Art Rooney announced Big Ben
Speaker 1: will return for the season. Uh. He deemed it a
Speaker 1: productive meeting that he had with this franchise quarterback. We
Speaker 1: don't know what the contract numbers are, but honestly, who cares.
Speaker 1: If your Steelers fan, UM, you're either happy or bummed
Speaker 1: about this, Greg, I I think you had said that
Speaker 1: you thought there was a real chance he was gone.
Speaker 1: I was never in that camp. What do you think
Speaker 1: about what happens with the Steelers now? Do you think
Speaker 1: it's just Big Ben and Dwayne Haskins with some Mason
Speaker 1: Rudolph or or is there more intrigued to come here.
Speaker 1: They said they wanted to add core order backs and
Speaker 1: that was after adding Haskins, So I don't think they
Speaker 1: might not be done. I also want to see how
Speaker 1: this plays out, you know, I I think it was
Speaker 1: shaped strangely that like big Ben is back, Well he's
Speaker 1: not back yet until the contracts signed. By all indications
Speaker 1: it's going to happen, But I am curious, you know,
Speaker 1: about the details. They must have had some broad agreement
Speaker 1: about the rough way that they're gonna do it, whether
Speaker 1: he's taking a pack up, whether they're giving them guaranteed
Speaker 1: money into next year or not. Like, I think all
Speaker 1: of that matters because I think it tells you where
Speaker 1: they're at. For instance, Drew Brees last year, the contract
Speaker 1: he signed indicated clearly it was gonna be his last year.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious if that's the type of deal they
Speaker 1: do with Ben. And I always I always leave like
Speaker 1: that little door open, even with an owner's statement that
Speaker 1: things can go wrong and feeling and get hurt when
Speaker 1: you're talking contract, you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 1: been a little strange that it's like this and now
Speaker 1: he's back, well he's not back. What the agent and
Speaker 1: what the owner said is that they're going to negotiate
Speaker 1: a contract and he's expected to be back. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would say compared to it's the off season of
Speaker 1: discontent with quarterbacks all over the place. Compared to some
Speaker 1: of the situations UM bubbling out there, this feels more peaceful.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I guess I I'm with you, Greg.
Speaker 1: But when the amount, when the owner comes out and
Speaker 1: says what he said, I would be surprised if they
Speaker 1: suddenly have to I'd be shocked. I just wondering if
Speaker 1: there's one moment of consternation or and I am just
Speaker 1: curious on what the details are, because that's the that's
Speaker 1: a big part of the story. I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting scenario with Steelers fans in general, because
Speaker 1: I think that there was definitely a pocket of them
Speaker 1: out there that were emotionally prepared UM or very prepared
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to him after the way that season ended.
Speaker 1: But part of it is like, look, that's great, you
Speaker 1: have Dwayne Haskins on the roster and Mason Rudolph and
Speaker 1: in all these Ham and Eggers, But UM, the better version,
Speaker 1: a better version of Big Ben, is still the best
Speaker 1: option there. I would not be surprised, though they have
Speaker 1: to be forward thinking, they have to think about UM,
Speaker 1: and they're not in a great place in the draft
Speaker 1: to do this. But they've swung at a couple of
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the draft and I think fully missed entirely.
Speaker 1: They've never found his real air apparent. And it's not
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins as far as I could see, and it's
Speaker 1: not Mason. I mean, if it's Twayne Haskins, we're gonna
Speaker 1: need to see a lot more than we've seen, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it would be I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think it would be irresponsible, quite frankly, with the
Speaker 1: roster that's in place and how many really strong players,
Speaker 1: even they have to make some moves and free agency,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a good roster that returns. There
Speaker 1: is certainly the idea and I know check who's you know,
Speaker 1: Steelers Homer and we all know that UM put out
Speaker 1: the theory that perhaps big Ben changed his game in
Speaker 1: relation to the record of the team and then by
Speaker 1: the time they try to ramp it up, it was
Speaker 1: too late. Okay, maybe that's the case, or big Ben
Speaker 1: started to fall off a cliff last year and the
Speaker 1: guy that shows up six months from now is even
Speaker 1: worse than that guy. You I just think the one thing,
Speaker 1: I think it's the right move to bring him back.
Speaker 1: But I think it would be the wrong move to say, well,
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph or Dwayne Haskins or someone in that realm
Speaker 1: uh is our backup plan. I think you're setting yourself
Speaker 1: up for big failure. I would like to see them
Speaker 1: take a swing, whether it's in the draft or to
Speaker 1: go get a veteran quarterback, um, even like an Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton type. Not to keep using Andy Dalton as this
Speaker 1: fall back guy, but maybe like somebody like that that
Speaker 1: would bring proficiency to the backup position uh in case
Speaker 1: the Steelers needed, because there is a chance they will
Speaker 1: there there is, and and I'm with you on the rosters,
Speaker 1: you know, intriguing, it's top heavy. Really some really good
Speaker 1: players on defense, they have the bones to be a
Speaker 1: good defense. Some some good skill position players. But you
Speaker 1: mentioned checks theory about him, you know, not wanting to
Speaker 1: get hit. Okay, that's the offensive lines issue, which basically
Speaker 1: collapsed and and has been falling apart since Mike Munchak,
Speaker 1: their coach left. Here's what their free agency situation is.
Speaker 1: On the offensive line. Left tackle Villanueva, who's been there forever,
Speaker 1: really didn't play great last year. Free agent Pouncy retired
Speaker 1: another starter, Kevin Filer, I believe it's pronounced, who started
Speaker 1: at both tackle and Garden had like a thousand snaps
Speaker 1: last two seasons, also a free agent, so you know,
Speaker 1: a group to Castro not playing as well as as
Speaker 1: he used to. So that's that's a big chunk, and
Speaker 1: that is a big concern. And I and I suspect
Speaker 1: that is Kevin Culvert their GM's number one concern right
Speaker 1: now and priority for the offseason, not not the quarterback
Speaker 1: situation after this is handled. These things just never end well.
Speaker 1: And Big Ben is not. You know, he has not
Speaker 1: been embracing the Tom Brady diet for the past five years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't nor do I buy that he's
Speaker 1: just a big, pudgy man either. I think he's he's
Speaker 1: working harder than some would believe. But this version of
Speaker 1: Big Ben um with one of the worst teams in
Speaker 1: the league at rushing the ball down the stretch last year,
Speaker 1: and he was just abominable behind a really shaky offensive
Speaker 1: line situation. You know, Greg, you just mentioned it. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing. Where are we gonna get
Speaker 1: Brett Farves? You know, two thousand and ten season and
Speaker 1: you could see a whole bunch of quarterbacks that Big
Speaker 1: Ben is just sub you know, performance level. If you're
Speaker 1: anyone else in the a f C North who's been
Speaker 1: getting killed by Big Ben for the past fifteen years,
Speaker 1: like it's really every team in that division if you
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean that the Ravens are the
Speaker 1: only one that I think they put or hurt on them.
Speaker 1: But how delicious it would be um for it just
Speaker 1: to be a continuation of what happened in January. Not
Speaker 1: the spring fans I'm gonna be. I'm just gonna become
Speaker 1: a Browns fan now, by the way, and draft off
Speaker 1: of Sessler's because for a long time positive that Greg
Speaker 1: has has it out for Big Ben and the Steelers.
Speaker 1: And it's all right, that's fine. I understand your reasons.
Speaker 1: You check the track record, and that is not true.
Speaker 1: No one has. No one has predicted that multi year
Speaker 1: dirt Now now it feels time for the dirt nap.
Speaker 1: But before I was predicting the Super Bowl every year,
Speaker 1: you guys would make fun of me. I had too
Speaker 1: much faith. That is a fair report at Retort and Mark,
Speaker 1: I'm totally on board with you having these feelings. After all,
Speaker 1: the years of misery. Obviously I feel the same way
Speaker 1: about a certain team that Greg actually loves. All right,
Speaker 1: let's stick a pin and big Ben talk, but let's
Speaker 1: continue to do some veteran veteran quarterback took some surprising
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback talk and we want to welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: First time on the Around the NFL podcast, and he wrote,
Speaker 1: along with his colleagues at the athletic, um a banger
Speaker 1: I called a straight up banger on the situation involving
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson in the Seattle Seahawks. He is Michael Sean
Speaker 1: Dugar Welcome see Around the NFL podcast. Um, Michael Sean,
Speaker 1: I know you go by Mike to like, how we
Speaker 1: doing this? What's yeah? Mike's fine. I just I just
Speaker 1: feel bad. I don't have any books in my background.
Speaker 1: You guys all have a book about the plant you need,
Speaker 1: plant we don't need. We don't don't read any of
Speaker 1: these books though, like that they they're props, are fake
Speaker 1: plants and books we've never read. So don't feel don't
Speaker 1: be concerned. Okay, I won't feel too bad, dude. UM Mike,
Speaker 1: so you yes, like I said, I wrote this piece
Speaker 1: that's blowing up today on the internet. You also have
Speaker 1: a really good podcast. I was listening to Seahawks uh
Speaker 1: Man to Man where you were talking about this situation
Speaker 1: as well, and I think let's start here. Everyone is
Speaker 1: surprised on the outside of this that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden there is a possibility that that's Russell Wilson Seahawks
Speaker 1: or maybe the Russell Wilson Pete Carroll marriage won't work.
Speaker 1: But someone that's on the inside, like you, that's been
Speaker 1: tracking this team, Um, is this something that we should
Speaker 1: have seen coming as a volcano that is bubbling and
Speaker 1: ready to explode. I don't know how people from the
Speaker 1: outside could have necessarily seen it coming, but it does
Speaker 1: remind me of attention. If you plan to listen, watch
Speaker 1: the you know movie den of Thieves. Ever, Uh, mike
Speaker 1: My is gonna spoil it for you. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: big movie guy, so forgive me. But like the movie
Speaker 1: Dinna Thieves, Um, I think it's on Netflix or whatever,
Speaker 1: Like you get to the end spoiler and um, O'shan
Speaker 1: Jackson Jr's character is like the mastermind and you're like, huh,
Speaker 1: should I have seen? And they do all of these
Speaker 1: things where it goes back and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: like I should have seen that coming the scenes at
Speaker 1: the bar, like all these little lines you put it together.
Speaker 1: Like that's where it is. Like if you watch the
Speaker 1: movie the first time, you're like, well, how was I
Speaker 1: supposed to put that together? And then they reveal it
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, there were all of these breadcrumbs
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the film that like leads up
Speaker 1: to the end, and that's kind of what is going
Speaker 1: on here. Like, yeah, if you're watching from Afar, if
Speaker 1: you only turn in on Seahawks games and on Prime
Speaker 1: Time or whatever America's game of the week, you're like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: the team to fix some things whatever. But then if
Speaker 1: you like really go back and read Russ his quotes
Speaker 1: from fifteen or sixteen or seventeen, like every old rest
Speaker 1: press conference is gonna get so many more views after this,
Speaker 1: not poper are gonna be like oh, how could I
Speaker 1: have missed this? And you're gonna hear the quotes about legacy,
Speaker 1: the Drew Brees references, the Tom Brady references, Lebron James references,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get to this point and like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I get I get why that guy would be frustrated
Speaker 1: to this point that he wants out. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that analogy. And I was sort of thinking
Speaker 1: two of um, like World War One started and it's
Speaker 1: one of the few things I remember from history when
Speaker 1: I have to have to arch Austrian Archduke Franz fur Well. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't around during that time, but his assassination basically
Speaker 1: kicked off World War One. But there was a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff happening that led to it. But they called
Speaker 1: that the powder keg And I loved the way that
Speaker 1: you kind of laid these little breadcrumbs about what's been
Speaker 1: happening with Russell Wilson for so long, was would it
Speaker 1: be fair to call an inciting incident? Him sitting at
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl watching Tom Brady win a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: with another team, away from his comfortable home in New England,
Speaker 1: with Antonio Brown, who he helped recruit to the organization
Speaker 1: because he has a huge voice in Tampa Bay, obviously,
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson sitting up there thinking I don't have
Speaker 1: any of these things. I've worked as hard as anyone
Speaker 1: and in my way in his world, does he feel
Speaker 1: like he lacks a voice, and can it be really
Speaker 1: fixed with the Seahawks or is this thing just heading
Speaker 1: towards a breakup. I'll add something to Rust is frustration
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, because all of those things are correct,
Speaker 1: but also the last time Russ played in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: who did he lose to? Right? Like it's like, and
Speaker 1: how many super Bowls has Brady been to since they
Speaker 1: since the Seahawks? Yeah, you know, like he doesn't only
Speaker 1: see himself as like someone who can be Brady's equals,
Speaker 1: Like they were adversaries on the biggest stage, right, and
Speaker 1: he was inches away from from beating him, and then
Speaker 1: he thought, I'll get I'll get back here, right, I'll
Speaker 1: get back after Russell thought, and only Brady has been back.
Speaker 1: I think that fueled it as much as everything you
Speaker 1: just mentioned. Antonio Brown, tom Brady having a good old line,
Speaker 1: tom Brady getting to hand picked players like Gronk and
Speaker 1: and a b um, tom Brady having more say over
Speaker 1: the offense. You know, Bruce Arians just said it like
Speaker 1: I had to step back and let Brady do his thing.
Speaker 1: You know, Rust reading that like, huh, must like it all.
Speaker 1: It all came to a had the Super Bowl was
Speaker 1: like all of those things at once. But I think
Speaker 1: that's another detail people forgives, like, yeah, rust lass to
Speaker 1: Tom Brady last time and hasn't been back there since,
Speaker 1: and Tom's been there, yeah, fifty million times since then,
Speaker 1: And now where does it go from here? Like I
Speaker 1: think everyone's gonna ask me that today, But I think
Speaker 1: really everyone knows the answer if it if it was good, right,
Speaker 1: if they thought it was gonna be good, would they
Speaker 1: be on you know, TV Russell saying I'm frustrated citing
Speaker 1: how many times he's been sacked, like he's been citing
Speaker 1: that number like a cult. It's like a campaign for
Speaker 1: president presidential run, like in spinning it as if it's
Speaker 1: the Seahawks fault. A lot of it is, but like
Speaker 1: if it's not all the things, that's another kind. It's
Speaker 1: not all one person's fault. But I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that they've used that as like their campaign slogan, like
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated getting hit too much. I don't think that
Speaker 1: if this was like a fixable situation, that they would
Speaker 1: be doing that, you know what I mean? I hear you,
Speaker 1: and that helps to answer, you know. One question I
Speaker 1: had is like why does this all have to be
Speaker 1: so public or a kind of clumsily public, And you
Speaker 1: guys did an awesome job. Everyone should check it out
Speaker 1: of kind of showing the way that him and his
Speaker 1: camp have put this messaging out and make you know,
Speaker 1: it's made it very clear he's aggressively trying to do something.
Speaker 1: He's trying to make people uncomfortable. But it gets to
Speaker 1: the to the other question I had, which is more
Speaker 1: of like an existential question reading this article, and and
Speaker 1: maybe that's why Russ is trying to do this. You
Speaker 1: tell me, you know, the situation maybe better is like
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they just get rid of Pete Carroll? Then
Speaker 1: like why? Um? And that maybe goes to who's really
Speaker 1: owning this team and who's in charge? And that's confusing.
Speaker 1: But do you think there's any way like Russ is
Speaker 1: putting all this out there almost to let to let
Speaker 1: other people know at the at the higher points of
Speaker 1: the Seahawks organization that like maybe if you did have
Speaker 1: to choose to me as a fan, if I was
Speaker 1: a fan, it would be a little crazy to choose
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll over us. Yeah, all my friends and all
Speaker 1: my group chat to like Mike, can we just pick us,
Speaker 1: Like why would we right? You know, I think one
Speaker 1: of my friends said, I'd rather have ten years of
Speaker 1: Russell than four more of Pete, right, And it's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: most people would. But I do think, yeah, your point
Speaker 1: about like sending a message not just to the public
Speaker 1: but the higher ups is important too. Um. I asked
Speaker 1: Pete in like January eleven that said who in the
Speaker 1: building holds you account right? Because he controls personnel on
Speaker 1: top of the on field product. I said, who can
Speaker 1: tell you the truth? Who can be harsh with you?
Speaker 1: And he mentioned a bunch of dudes that are under him,
Speaker 1: you know, and two of them he mentioned where his
Speaker 1: kids a right, one of one of whom is mentioned
Speaker 1: in the story is like having quit his job twice
Speaker 1: during the season and only to come back later. So
Speaker 1: like I thought that was very telling. Like he didn't
Speaker 1: mention anyone who cuts his checks. He mentioned people who
Speaker 1: he ultimately cuts their checks. And that's not really how
Speaker 1: accountability works, you know, Like if I works for my dad,
Speaker 1: I never have, but I doubt I'd be the only
Speaker 1: person in the building he can listen to, you know.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that's how that works. So I
Speaker 1: think a message of accountability is being sent by Russell
Speaker 1: and his camp too. It's like, I can't tell this
Speaker 1: guy anything because no one holds him accountable. He can
Speaker 1: throw challenge flags and signed battle linemen and make bad
Speaker 1: trades or do whatever. And I just gotta go out
Speaker 1: there and get hit by Aaron Donald and I got
Speaker 1: no one I can go snitch to our report to,
Speaker 1: you know, like, that's very frustrating if you're doing that
Speaker 1: for nine years. And Russell Wilson thirty two years old,
Speaker 1: he's professed that he wants to play ten fifteen more years.
Speaker 1: He wants to go to the Brady Path, and he's
Speaker 1: just maniacal enough where he might actually be able to
Speaker 1: do that. Pete Carrol is gonna be seventy in September,
Speaker 1: So it just these are things that need to be
Speaker 1: factored in if it's gonna be either or scenario. And
Speaker 1: and I just want to first of all, Dena Thieves,
Speaker 1: you kind of ruined it. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it now, um, but I will say
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen that, but we have had the
Speaker 1: star of that film's father, ice Cube, on this show.
Speaker 1: So how about that that's a good job by us.
Speaker 1: We nail that promoting the first of the movie though
Speaker 1: it's it's it's even with that spoil I bet you this,
Speaker 1: even if you watch it, even ho spoilt it for you,
Speaker 1: you still want to be able to have first watch,
Speaker 1: put together all the brand comers, and will be until
Speaker 1: the very end. Wow, this sounds like the new usual suspects. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, because you said this on
Speaker 1: your podcast, you'd be surprised if he's being Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: the Seahawks quarterback in two Now when you said that
Speaker 1: with your co host, was that caught up in the
Speaker 1: heat of the moment or do you honestly believe that
Speaker 1: this is something that's heading toward divorce now? I think
Speaker 1: and anyone who's like written a big story, like in
Speaker 1: generalism more reported one in radio or TV or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know that you left things on the cutting room floor,
Speaker 1: and there's a million things that we heard and could
Speaker 1: just didn't make the story right. We had to trim it,
Speaker 1: and so like, I know how bad, and I know
Speaker 1: that there's two things that we didn't put in the
Speaker 1: story that I think are also really important. Russell had
Speaker 1: a son in July, his first biological son. His Sierra
Speaker 1: has a son fro another marriage. He named that son Win.
Speaker 1: His name is Win. Like Harrington Wilson, Pete Carro wrote
Speaker 1: a book in two thousand ten. The title of the
Speaker 1: book is Win Forever. Like, these dudes are obsessed with
Speaker 1: winning and they will do whatever it takes to win.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing they're always going to be aligned on.
Speaker 1: They don't do that, and they can't agree on why
Speaker 1: they're not winning, which is ultimately what the real disconnect
Speaker 1: is here. Um, they can't coexist because they're too obsessed
Speaker 1: with that idea of winning. Like so when I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be the quarterback in tween twenty two,
Speaker 1: I'm projecting them not winning the super Bowl or getting there.
Speaker 1: If they get there, then that's different. They win it. Obviously,
Speaker 1: winning fixes a lot of things, but I think that's
Speaker 1: the only thing that can fix the situation is winning.
Speaker 1: You gotta win. These two dudes have made it known. Um.
Speaker 1: The only way they could more make it known that
Speaker 1: they want to win is they go to follow a
Speaker 1: trademark like Chad Johnson didn't change their names. When your
Speaker 1: name your firstborn son Win you care, right, and that's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure and only I think that's the
Speaker 1: only thing I can fix the situation right now. So
Speaker 1: but you think next year? So you do? You do
Speaker 1: think this is almost setting and I and I heard
Speaker 1: this um from someone just asking about this today too.
Speaker 1: They thought it was setting the table for next year,
Speaker 1: that this is all priming the pump a little bit,
Speaker 1: and that a trade would be maybe less likely this year,
Speaker 1: but more likely next year. And I think it's yes
Speaker 1: to answer that. And then it's like a think about
Speaker 1: the narrative construction here. If the Seahawks do come up
Speaker 1: short next year, who is everyone gonna blame? You're blame
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, right, Like, yeah, exactly, Pete Carroll of the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: They're gonna look at and say, you guys didn't give
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson what he wanted. You guys are idiots, right,
Speaker 1: So now he wants to leave. Well that's right or wrong.
Speaker 1: They've done a good job. And I mean rest of
Speaker 1: his camp of like putting that as the message, like
Speaker 1: we are the victims here, guys. I am the superstar
Speaker 1: quarterback here who has played with bottom five old lines,
Speaker 1: Like I want to see like seven of his nine years,
Speaker 1: and that's just not good enough. At their bottom, like
Speaker 1: half of the league, all the time in the old
Speaker 1: line spending other than which year when they've spent the
Speaker 1: most on the old line in the whole league? What
Speaker 1: they do that year? Win the Super Bowl? So like
Speaker 1: there's all these arguments, um, that they've put out there
Speaker 1: and used it like like a presidential campaign. So if
Speaker 1: we're right back here next year the Seahawks weren't in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Um, whose fault is it gonna look like?
Speaker 1: And then the Seahawks are gonna have to get rid
Speaker 1: of um. The best quarterback and franchise history. I would
Speaker 1: ask this because I mean it's this Carol Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: power struggle. And I love that you met, like the
Speaker 1: the title of the whole thing is about power and control,
Speaker 1: and I mean this story is as old as time.
Speaker 1: But then you got John Snyder um involved in this too,
Speaker 1: and and some of the juiciest stuff in there was
Speaker 1: that John Snyder was prepared to draft Patrick Mahomes, that
Speaker 1: they were very high on Josh Allen. I mean that's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that if you're Russell Wilson you're thinking,
Speaker 1: excuse me, um, I mean, is he is he account
Speaker 1: who's holding him accountable? Because when you talk about the
Speaker 1: offensive line not coming together coming together over the course
Speaker 1: of seven or eight seasons, I look at the front
Speaker 1: office in the GM two and they've certainly had some
Speaker 1: against the grain draft picks over the year. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's where Pete Carroll actually takes ladder that blame too,
Speaker 1: because he oversees personnel. He was hired before John. All Right,
Speaker 1: he's essentially John's boss. John can't make a pick um
Speaker 1: until like until Pete. Okay is I think Russell was
Speaker 1: like an example of that in you know, John, this
Speaker 1: from Wisconsin worked for the Packers and here comes this
Speaker 1: just five tin, like a guy who's bawling at Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: and John's like, hey, we should take this guy. But
Speaker 1: no matter how much John wanted him, if Pete was
Speaker 1: like no, then they wouldn't have took Russell. Al Right,
Speaker 1: Like Pete has two okay everything. So yeah, the Seahawks
Speaker 1: have taken I think more alignment in the draft than
Speaker 1: any team since I want to say, or maybe it's
Speaker 1: not very good at it all right, So that that
Speaker 1: goes to not only power of control. It's like a
Speaker 1: lack of faith. You know. If if I'm Russell and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, Pete, can we get some better alignments,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, chill, we got this, It's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't got it. Like maybe maybe I
Speaker 1: should have some control over the situation. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: no you can't. And now we have again, like you
Speaker 1: said old, this time power and control driving two people
Speaker 1: away from one another. They haven't had a great defense
Speaker 1: in five years. And if if Pete Carroll wants to
Speaker 1: remember life without Russell Wilson, just throw on some Chaz
Speaker 1: Whitehurst tape, you know, or or Matt the Matt FLINNERO
Speaker 1: which never really happened, or even Arvirus who played Okay,
Speaker 1: but it's like, man, you better be careful what you
Speaker 1: wished for, um boss and work by Mike and also
Speaker 1: Mike Sando Jason Jenks at The Athletic please check out
Speaker 1: that article if you want to be informed in this situation.
Speaker 1: And before we say goodbye, Mike, I'm gonna check out
Speaker 1: Donna Thieves. You definitely need to. I watched a bunch
Speaker 1: of heist movies over the last month, and that was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite been one for you, by the way,
Speaker 1: Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Um too, is that's one
Speaker 1: where you you on the third or fourth viewing, the
Speaker 1: layers become evident. It's like cool and where are the pants?
Speaker 1: It's a huge highest picture. Um Uh, Mike, I heard
Speaker 1: you say pineapples on pizza is a good thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know where you're from originally, Mike, I don't want
Speaker 1: to judge, but that's that's a terrible take. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you the platform here to explain why pineapples
Speaker 1: on pizza is a good thing. See pizza Like the
Speaker 1: reason why Chiefs Pizza, I think is so great because
Speaker 1: it's just like it's a blank canvas. You can just experiment.
Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want with it. You can
Speaker 1: get creative and there really are no limitations. There's another
Speaker 1: another movie reference. Um it's Cuba Gooding Junior. Cuba Gooding
Speaker 1: Junior movie. I can't remember the name at the moment,
Speaker 1: but he's trying to pitch everyone to think outside the box.
Speaker 1: And he's like, you guys want to think outside the box.
Speaker 1: Which you really need to realize is there is no box.
Speaker 1: Just let you let your mind wonder and like when
Speaker 1: I thought I was like I saw when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, and it was just like, yeah, it's pretty trippy.
Speaker 1: Um dogs too, Yeah, it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 1: great like way to look at like pizza, hot dogs,
Speaker 1: um just anything like I debate all the time my
Speaker 1: friends like where the hot dogs a sandwich? It's just
Speaker 1: it's just great. You can just free your mind when
Speaker 1: it comes to food, like let your mind room. Put
Speaker 1: some pineapples on that pizza. Man, it's gonna taste great.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. We get we get pineapple in a
Speaker 1: hall opinion in our house all the time. I'm all
Speaker 1: about right, I'm listening. I'll be cool about this. I
Speaker 1: just feel some some foods are sacred, pizzas one of them.
Speaker 1: But listen, that's why it's a great world. We can
Speaker 1: do what we want and eat what we want. And Mike,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining the show, and would love to
Speaker 1: have you on again because you're good at your job.
Speaker 1: If I come back, I'm definitely gonna have all my
Speaker 1: books right and right. I'm not gonna be lacking next time.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Guys were having awesome stuff. Michael Sewan Dugar
Speaker 1: Uh you can follow him on Twitter and yes again
Speaker 1: over at the Athletic. You know he also within um
Speaker 1: that report by the Athletic h Russell Wilson's camp had
Speaker 1: broached trade destinations with Seattle, excuse me, with Seattle to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Jets, Saints and Raiders. And then right before
Speaker 1: we came on today, um Adam Schefter reported so as
Speaker 1: this thing continues to mushroom that Wilson has not demanded
Speaker 1: a trade according to his agent, but Wilson told the
Speaker 1: Seahawks he really wants to play in Seattle. If a
Speaker 1: trade were considered, the only teams he would go to
Speaker 1: are the Cowboys, Saints, Raiders, and Bears. First of all,
Speaker 1: Jets aren't on that list. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's that's an issue for me personally. Um the uh,
Speaker 1: it's so transparent, this drama that's playing out, and Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson being involves a big reason why because that's just
Speaker 1: kind of his thing. Um. But it does surprise me,
Speaker 1: even after that conversation again where I went to bed
Speaker 1: last night and where we are now that this thing
Speaker 1: is as bad as it is, it's it kind of
Speaker 1: all blew up here. Well and to Mike's point. I
Speaker 1: think I feel like now Russell Wilson has been trying
Speaker 1: to drop these bread comes pretty hardcore. You know, he's
Speaker 1: been trying. It's almost like people weren't really listening because
Speaker 1: people like us think, well, why would they ever get
Speaker 1: rid of Russell Wilson. You know, I remember even talking
Speaker 1: about it when he went on Jimmy Fallon and that
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a story and they wrote
Speaker 1: about that. It's like, well, this isn't really gonna happen,
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't too serious, but it's coming. It's
Speaker 1: coming there for a reason. It reminds me of that
Speaker 1: SI article where like it was all his bros. And
Speaker 1: it was like Entourage, Like, we're not Entourage, but that
Speaker 1: is my favorite show. That's what Russ said. And he's
Speaker 1: still got the same he's still got the same agent
Speaker 1: as he did back then, and it just I know,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess the conventional wisdom is maybe it's
Speaker 1: next year, but I don't know, this seems pretty ugly
Speaker 1: that another year like that. That seems to me. It's
Speaker 1: pretty it's pretty rough. And the calendar though, too, I mean,
Speaker 1: no I get it. Logic says maybe emotions subside a
Speaker 1: little bit over the course of the offseason and and
Speaker 1: you calm down. But the whole like um political way
Speaker 1: of looking at it, Like the messaging. I thought, that's
Speaker 1: a brilliant way to put it, that he's got these
Speaker 1: like campaign points. It's like, how how is that flying
Speaker 1: with teammates? You know, how is that flying with his
Speaker 1: offensive line? Because I'm sure some of them are thinking, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: tom Brady's never taking those sacks. Rusts like, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: right that you could have put the worst offensive lines
Speaker 1: around Peyton, Manny and Tom Brady and they would cut
Speaker 1: that sack total in fifth. You know, by it's just
Speaker 1: a fact like quarterbacks, Uh, sacks are a quarterbacks. It's both.
Speaker 1: I mean both things can be true. It can be
Speaker 1: the offensive line, but it can also be Russ And
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're not loving that. And you see some
Speaker 1: of his old teammates and that was like the huge
Speaker 1: last story about Russell Wilson was that s I store
Speaker 1: where the defense and the codline of Russell Wilson. There's
Speaker 1: just a lot there. I loved it. This is one
Speaker 1: of those stories I'll remember. I feel like this story
Speaker 1: is really planting a flag, you know, in his career
Speaker 1: it's complicated too, though you mentioned that, and everyone knows
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson holds onto the ball and that's gonna drive
Speaker 1: up sack totals and make an offensive line look worse.
Speaker 1: And that's certainly fair. But there is the other side
Speaker 1: of it. The reason he's gonna go to the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame one day, one day is he is a
Speaker 1: magician in the pocket. He's made so many great plays.
Speaker 1: And there's the reason he's been playing for nine years
Speaker 1: and they've gone to the playoffs eight years, and he's
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl and nearly one another. He's a
Speaker 1: special talent. And I think one one thing that they
Speaker 1: um hit on uh in the article is that, like
Speaker 1: they the wet Rust cook era, as short as it
Speaker 1: was in was incredible. And then over the course of
Speaker 1: one bad game that led to a sit down with
Speaker 1: Pete Carrol or Carol saddled up next to him and
Speaker 1: basically told him to get his s together. And then
Speaker 1: the next game they didn't play well either, and then
Speaker 1: it was over that opportunity that he had been waiting
Speaker 1: for to leave the offense and the way he believes
Speaker 1: he can started off on a record setting pace, they
Speaker 1: go through a little valley and then it's taken away
Speaker 1: from him, and I can understand that being the source
Speaker 1: of a lot a lot of frustration and anger for
Speaker 1: Wilson as well. I could see that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: at the same time, there's dk Metcalf saying that defense
Speaker 1: has just figured out what they were doing. Um. But Greg,
Speaker 1: I think you make a great point about the if
Speaker 1: this is going to go on even for another year,
Speaker 1: that we're a long way away from um Dan Marino
Speaker 1: buying his offensive lineman is atone or gloves, which has
Speaker 1: been escalated to you know, quarterbacks treat their lineman like
Speaker 1: kings because your life is in their hands on that field,
Speaker 1: and you've opened the offseason by setting every one of
Speaker 1: them on fire. I this just feels um like it's
Speaker 1: a campaign, but it's a campaign that doesn't have a
Speaker 1: wide opening for a fruitful, happy ending. I would be
Speaker 1: the Seahawks era feels a little bit over to me now.
Speaker 1: A lot else I'm just saying, like it's like this
Speaker 1: is we're a long way away from Carol and Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson being attached to the hip, and everything just seems
Speaker 1: so uh, you know, peaceful and hunky dorry. I hate that,
Speaker 1: hate that word, but um for so long and now
Speaker 1: it just feels so messy and it's so public. It's
Speaker 1: fascinating though it's really a great story. It's a great story.
Speaker 1: But and I don't think you should ever bad mouth
Speaker 1: or use your platform or and happiness with the team
Speaker 1: to chop down teammates, which he is doing on some
Speaker 1: indirect level. But also, yeah, this isn't Joe Thomas and
Speaker 1: you know, Kevin Maui and Quentin Nelson on this line
Speaker 1: in Seattle, like he wants better guys there. He does
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of those guys there because he
Speaker 1: doesn't think they can play. Brady's ruined it. Brady's ruined
Speaker 1: this for everyone. Lebron a little bit too, But that
Speaker 1: basketball is such a different sport because I I don't
Speaker 1: blame him for using the power that he has. He has,
Speaker 1: he has some absolutely good points. None of this would
Speaker 1: probably be even be happening if the Seahawks had a
Speaker 1: top eight defense at any point in the last five years.
Speaker 1: They've been totally mediocre. If they had a good defense,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about it. But I think Brady, you know,
Speaker 1: has given this idea, especially in football, that's so wrong.
Speaker 1: It's like, not everyone gets to win. Bro. It's like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is one of the greatest of all time,
Speaker 1: he hasn't been a Super Bowl in a decade. Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger same, Drew Brees went one, and it's just like
Speaker 1: so hard to put everything together that makes you win.
Speaker 1: It's not saying anyone's right or wrong, but it's just
Speaker 1: so hard. Tom Brady ruined a lot of things for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, um, including my twenties and thirties.
Speaker 1: What the next thing coming here, by the way, is uh,
Speaker 1: and it's put it in stone. Okay, I might even
Speaker 1: put a sandwich on it, but I won't. The Seahawks
Speaker 1: are going to disappear from his social media accounts very soon,
Speaker 1: and I love it and I will also the whole
Speaker 1: idea of New York not being on that second list.
Speaker 1: There was that nugget that Sierra, an entertainer who is
Speaker 1: attracted to either l A or the Big Apple, longs
Speaker 1: to be in New York to some degree. So and
Speaker 1: the Jets, by the way, if you're all these teams
Speaker 1: that want to trade for Russell Wilson, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: ship a bunch of like late round picks. I mean
Speaker 1: the Jets could offer Seattle a fresh news start. I
Speaker 1: never would rule the Jets out. You know what they
Speaker 1: could do. They can say, hey, you know those two
Speaker 1: first round picks you stupidly gave us for a safety
Speaker 1: will come back to you. Give us a fack. Let's fly.
Speaker 1: I'll give it. You know it would hurt, but we'll
Speaker 1: give you. You know, Quinin And by the way, we
Speaker 1: got you gotta give him. You gotta give him overall.
Speaker 1: If you give them number two overall, you could that
Speaker 1: is that's the trump card that the Jets have right
Speaker 1: now that they won't You know, if you're a Jets fan,
Speaker 1: I hope that they have normally that that that if
Speaker 1: they want to make the big move at quarterback, now
Speaker 1: is the time. Because you have that number two overall pick,
Speaker 1: whether it's Watson or Wilson, you've got that. You you
Speaker 1: might not ever have that again. Stick a PINX. That's
Speaker 1: gonna come up a little bit later. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: I don't Ricky the den of thieves thing? Are you?
Speaker 1: You're younger than it? Are you plugged in on den
Speaker 1: of thieves? No? I haven't seen it. I'm a little
Speaker 1: nervous that Mike is going to catch some heat for,
Speaker 1: you know, pulling the like Kevin Spacey at the end
Speaker 1: of usual suspects Like you usually don't give away the
Speaker 1: big twist. Um, maybe you could put like a spoiler
Speaker 1: alert and post there or something a little bit more
Speaker 1: time big like give away though it was sort of yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounded like it was though suddenly it's him versus Netflix.
Speaker 1: His name becomes elevated and magnified. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: a power move and I did it. It would be
Speaker 1: funny if we stopped the show right there and Ricky's
Speaker 1: voice or Dan's voice comes in, we insert it and
Speaker 1: it says attention if you plan to listen watch the
Speaker 1: you know movie Den of Thieves. Ever, uh, Mike, Mike
Speaker 1: is going to spoil it for you. Yeah, okay, well
Speaker 1: let's do that what you just said, and I'll put
Speaker 1: it before too, and then you guys can hear it
Speaker 1: again right now in real time. Okay, Well, it sounds
Speaker 1: like our listeners are the ones who lose out, but
Speaker 1: sometimes that's how the first time. And don't and one
Speaker 1: last thing in this whole quarterback talk Deshaun Watson tweeted today, Um,
Speaker 1: loyalty is everything. Don't you ever caps ever forget it?
Speaker 1: And the Texans can play their little cute game right
Speaker 1: now and and act like they can just ignore this
Speaker 1: and it's gonna go away. It's not gonna go away.
Speaker 1: The power dynamic is shifted in our and our league.
Speaker 1: And if you, if you're superstar, is unhappy, it is
Speaker 1: going to tear your franchise apart unless you somehow um
Speaker 1: fix things. And if you can't fix things, you gotta
Speaker 1: move them. Uh. And and we'll see if Seattle gets
Speaker 1: to that point, but Houston certainly seems like they're at
Speaker 1: that point. And maybe they're just in denial right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, in speaking of sandwich bets, I had one
Speaker 1: on Big Ben as the Houston Texans Week one starter.
Speaker 1: I will be paying you in sandwich. That was easy.
Speaker 1: That was That was that was like that was like
Speaker 1: a drunken moment with no alcohol involved. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I blacked out mentally. All right, good stuff, All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's get into it. Vision board. What's a vision board?
Speaker 1: It's big right now, okay, And I'll give you a
Speaker 1: little bit of an example of a vision board, um
Speaker 1: being successful. My wife, the ladies are into this. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't wanna get tagged as being a sexist, like,
Speaker 1: oh no, men like vision boards to sure. I'm sure
Speaker 1: there are plenty of men crafting vision boards at this
Speaker 1: very moment, but the ladies love the vision board. My wife,
Speaker 1: my wife, the wonderful Emily, she put together a vision
Speaker 1: board because we were looking for our first house. And
Speaker 1: guess what not two months after she put together the board,
Speaker 1: we found our house. So I feel like that is
Speaker 1: it works. I mean, there it is. There is the
Speaker 1: proof in the pudding, speak it into existence. That's what
Speaker 1: it's about. It's about taking something a wish of belief,
Speaker 1: a hope, and if you put it out there as
Speaker 1: something tangible physical, if you see it, you you can
Speaker 1: believe in it and then you can achieve it. So
Speaker 1: with that in mind, we were thinking, what if we
Speaker 1: put together a NFL vision board for things that we
Speaker 1: really just want to see, we want it, and we'll
Speaker 1: put together a college We're all gonna We're not doing
Speaker 1: our own vision board. This is the Around the NFL
Speaker 1: podcast vision board for keep in One. We're looking ahead
Speaker 1: to this season and let's get going, Greg, I want
Speaker 1: you to start off the artwork here and I want
Speaker 1: you to imagine if you're listening to this, Greg, we
Speaker 1: have a big piece of paper here and and Greg
Speaker 1: is you know, cut out something. This is a lot
Speaker 1: of cutouts quotes from magazines. Greg has cut out like
Speaker 1: the picture and like his vision is. He's putting the
Speaker 1: first piece of the blue stick out onto the board.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, the big white uh board that he got
Speaker 1: from blicks Um art gallery or art supplies. And Greg,
Speaker 1: just so you know, to take it a little further,
Speaker 1: he's wearing overalls, no shirt underneath one of the overalls undone,
Speaker 1: so you see maybe even a little nipples popping out.
Speaker 1: And he's got a bandana, okay, barefoot corduroy overalls. Mm hmm, delectable.
Speaker 1: Shout out to mid nineties women's fashion. Love that stuff.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like me more and ghosts. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: yeah more, just like high school girlfriends and stuff. I
Speaker 1: mean I did, I was a big fan. Um I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I cut out a picture and uh it's just
Speaker 1: a one man of one NFL player and it's a
Speaker 1: picture of Justin Herbert pre haircut um cocking back to
Speaker 1: throw to throw a nice past and uh, I cut
Speaker 1: around it, putting that in the corner here. And for me,
Speaker 1: I looked at this more like a personal vision board,
Speaker 1: not what I want to see, but more um what
Speaker 1: I want out of my and Herbert to me represents,
Speaker 1: um the love of the game that I just love
Speaker 1: watching this guy play. So whether it's with this podcast
Speaker 1: or with our writing or with our my TVs, our
Speaker 1: TV stuff, I just want to like tap into that
Speaker 1: because more drafts for preview shows. Absolutely just like he's
Speaker 1: the guy to me that connects me. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's all about Herbert, it's just what he represents.
Speaker 1: He's the guy that connects connects me, especially last year,
Speaker 1: which was not an easy NFL season for anyone, um,
Speaker 1: but he was the one last season that sort of
Speaker 1: connected me and kept me close to that love of
Speaker 1: the game and just love of the sport. And so
Speaker 1: for me, that's like and he represents and I'm putting
Speaker 1: on the vision board. I like it. I like that.
Speaker 1: I love it. And Herbert was yes a shining star
Speaker 1: this season. And it's funny because we much handwringing and
Speaker 1: the Chargers do still absolutely have their work cut out
Speaker 1: for them and really carving out a niche in this market.
Speaker 1: And we'll see once people are going and actually going
Speaker 1: back to the stadiums what kind of crowds they draw.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that everybody was hammering over
Speaker 1: and over again, like who is the star that you
Speaker 1: can sell the Chargers in Los Angeles? And well, here
Speaker 1: he is. He comes in. You nailed the draft pick,
Speaker 1: You absolutely nailed that draft pick, and Dolphins fans are
Speaker 1: nodding their heads solemnly. And now you have to hope
Speaker 1: that he just continues to build off that season. All right,
Speaker 1: I'll go next. Um, I'm really i gotta be totally
Speaker 1: honest with you. I'm struggling. I'm struggling with this because
Speaker 1: this whole thing around my team with the quarterback. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, what are you wearing? Um, I'll let
Speaker 1: you decide. But while all you think or unless you have,
Speaker 1: you do your thing, and I'll do it all right.
Speaker 1: So I know, like Greg, what you're saying about Donald
Speaker 1: makes so much sense logically. It really does that that
Speaker 1: what he's put on tape over three seasons is more
Speaker 1: than enough evidence that the Jets, if they have a
Speaker 1: chance to to move him off the roster for a
Speaker 1: nice draft pick and start fresh, do it. I know that,
Speaker 1: And I also know from years of history as a
Speaker 1: fan that whenever I fall for a quarterback, inevitably they
Speaker 1: let me down. Um, and the belief I had him
Speaker 1: most recently, I would say Mark Sanchez, even Ryan Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: going into his second season there, Um, you know Browning, Nagel,
Speaker 1: You you go up and down the list, you could
Speaker 1: find so many guys, Bryce, Petty, even Harvard. Some thoughts
Speaker 1: about never the kid from Penn State. It should be said,
Speaker 1: I never thought he could play. Um Hackenburg come out
Speaker 1: to hack Man. So you know, it's like I tend
Speaker 1: to fall in love with the idea of the young
Speaker 1: uh Savior and then I get let down. So starn
Speaker 1: Old was to me the biggest chance at number three
Speaker 1: overall pick um, So I should I should not be
Speaker 1: cutting out his photo right now in Jets green and
Speaker 1: White and putting him on the vision board. And yet
Speaker 1: I am, because in my vision all this talk for
Speaker 1: people that that understand the quarterback position in the sport,
Speaker 1: that think he could play, and just got the roster
Speaker 1: for aw deals, Why wouldn't I take the number two
Speaker 1: overall pick, and instead of taking another swing in the draft,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I rebuild the roster with massive smart trades
Speaker 1: with a g M. I trust you have the Falcons
Speaker 1: picking it four, you have the Eagles at six, you
Speaker 1: have the Panthers at eight, all teams, and I'm just
Speaker 1: naming three logical ones that would die to get into
Speaker 1: number two and take a young quarterback like his Ck
Speaker 1: Wilson or Justin Phills or what have you. And then
Speaker 1: I could use that bounty over the next couple of
Speaker 1: years to build a monster roster and then give Sam
Speaker 1: Donald a chance with a better coach and a better offense.
Speaker 1: And here's the kicker here, And I'll shut up in
Speaker 1: a second. If Donald stinks this year, it doesn't sink
Speaker 1: the franchise necessarily. You still have two first round picks
Speaker 1: at least next year, and you could then try to
Speaker 1: address things. My vision is Sam Donald's there with a
Speaker 1: much better roster and a real shot. And I know
Speaker 1: it's not the right way to look at things, but
Speaker 1: I can't help but think that makes sense for this
Speaker 1: team given their dearth of talent. I love it because
Speaker 1: I think you have to factor in what I think
Speaker 1: is going to be a Coach of the Year type
Speaker 1: coaching staff with Robert Sala and Mike Lafleur. Just look
Speaker 1: what the Niners accomplished on offense when Jimmy g went down.
Speaker 1: I think that the way that they treat the quarterback
Speaker 1: in the run game and everything else. I mean, the
Speaker 1: Jets don't have all those pieces, but there are some
Speaker 1: mock drafts out there that have the Jets moving down
Speaker 1: a bit and taking like the number one tight end
Speaker 1: in the draft, which is a key position for that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's just like but to your
Speaker 1: theory though, that maybe you just don't assess into everything
Speaker 1: about Sam Donald based on the train wreck he's been
Speaker 1: um that he's barely survived, that maybe there is a
Speaker 1: new life for him, and I think that's an interesting idea.
Speaker 1: This is this is where sharing the vision board is
Speaker 1: because if Dan comes down and you know, checks out
Speaker 1: the vision board in the middle of the night and
Speaker 1: someone slash Donalds like face, It's like, everyone's gonna look
Speaker 1: at me. You know, everyone's gonna look at me. I know,
Speaker 1: I know. But like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you.
Speaker 1: Everything you're saying makes sense. But there is a case
Speaker 1: to be made on my side of things. Well, if
Speaker 1: I want to be real, if I want to be real,
Speaker 1: like as a Patriots fan, yes, do that. That's my
Speaker 1: vision too. That's kind of what I would hope for. Oh,
Speaker 1: I would love for Donald to be good so amazing, Fine,
Speaker 1: I can think. I'm not saying I I don't I have.
Speaker 1: We've done this long enough. That's like, I never feel
Speaker 1: that confident in anything. Um, but like he can be fine,
Speaker 1: but like always typically been as safe as it gets.
Speaker 1: What are the what are the odds of him being
Speaker 1: a top five quarterback? Ever? That seems like that seems
Speaker 1: like a big reach to me. That's my thing. That's alright,
Speaker 1: top five, that's pretty hardcore. I mean I would take
Speaker 1: top ten, but that's a big reach right now too.
Speaker 1: All right, it's a mark. Well, I I don't have
Speaker 1: a full picture, but I know that you're wearing one
Speaker 1: of those things that became popular like eight or nine
Speaker 1: years ago at live games or in other scenarios where
Speaker 1: like a grown man would wear like the giant furry
Speaker 1: animal on his head, remember that whole movement. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened with that, but I'd see you in
Speaker 1: that with like a nice Teetos and soda. No, I've
Speaker 1: got it that you're actually wearing the same T shirt
Speaker 1: you're wearing now, just you know, playing nice T shirt.
Speaker 1: But then you're wearing jams shorts. Do you guys remember
Speaker 1: jams jams that was like my wardrobe, really really bright
Speaker 1: color shorts. Maybe like a Swatch watch on his on
Speaker 1: his wrist, wearing this watch and now we'll throw it
Speaker 1: to you, Mark, I already know what you're wearing. Um.
Speaker 1: This also became popular about ten years ago at sporting events.
Speaker 1: In fact, that's where I thought you were going. Remember
Speaker 1: when guys started showing up in the full green body
Speaker 1: spandex including the head, and they were they'd be nude
Speaker 1: underneath and it would just be like nothing left to
Speaker 1: the imagination. And even your face is covered in this
Speaker 1: green spandex outfit. That that's what you're doing in your
Speaker 1: private home while you're putting together your vision board. I mean,
Speaker 1: I see Greg's face right now, But I'm concerned that
Speaker 1: part of me really likes that concept and idea. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I like it hanging out with the
Speaker 1: three of us, but um, it's compelling because get your arrested.
Speaker 1: But it's what you like, it's what makes you feel safe.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'll take your word on that, um I,
Speaker 1: but mine is you know, some of these vision boards
Speaker 1: they've got, you know, there's a verbal, there's a word
Speaker 1: aspect to it, because it's something you want to just
Speaker 1: remember in your head. And I previously um banned this phrase,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna unbann it um in this one situation
Speaker 1: because I think it's a powerful reminder of where Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers could be in the future. And I and here's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's a cutout. Um. The word is my
Speaker 1: office for the day, and the cutout is so Fi Stadium,
Speaker 1: And it's Aaron Rodgers making it clear in his mind
Speaker 1: from here to the end that he will be playing
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl next year and so Fi Stadium
Speaker 1: that there is no other destination for Aaron Rodgers. Still
Speaker 1: when I talk about every Sunday my office for the day,
Speaker 1: well because look, I think at this point there were
Speaker 1: times when I was annoyed by the whole Aaron Rodgers thing,
Speaker 1: mainly because people just like fast track the Packers to
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and every prediction all the time, and
Speaker 1: they would invariably crumble in the NFC title game. And
Speaker 1: you know I've mentioned it before. It's like every January
Speaker 1: of like Dom Capers and his hair flying up in
Speaker 1: the booth as the defense is crumbling in the offense
Speaker 1: can't do anything about it. Well, things are a little different.
Speaker 1: This team is different. NFC championships in a row, right,
Speaker 1: I that's what I'm saying, Like this time around, hair,
Speaker 1: his hair would have been flying up in this time around.
Speaker 1: There can be. It is seek and destroy. And my
Speaker 1: office for the day is where he will get to
Speaker 1: when he gets that promotion, to the right place he
Speaker 1: should be working, which is so Fi Stadium in January,
Speaker 1: and he every Sunday until then, He's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be a businessman with his briefcase. He's gonna have to
Speaker 1: prepare his documents, file his reports, do it well. Be
Speaker 1: a guy that shows up all day long, and you
Speaker 1: wind up in l A next February, winning the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and putting that narrative that he's one of these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that's gonna go down with just one Lombardi Trophy
Speaker 1: to bet. I like when you because I obviously can't
Speaker 1: do the same thing. I like when you you. You
Speaker 1: rain yourself in and you say, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: talk about the Browns, and then I'm gonna pretend like
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for anyone else, including Aaron Rodgers. I like that. Well,
Speaker 1: I call the last year they can play him against
Speaker 1: each other. Then you would do it for the Brownses.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I don't know he really they do play
Speaker 1: each other next year, so that will be part of
Speaker 1: the journey. Cut a week for Mark flaming Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: and the Packers for some reason, I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but it'll Mark while we're here. While we're here, because
Speaker 1: you did have some really strong takes on this, and
Speaker 1: I hope you don't ran it in on the podcast.
Speaker 1: The engagement with the actress Cheyenne Woodley of Big Little
Speaker 1: Lies and many other projects. Very talented woman. Um your
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Penning Metschels, I, I just have questions.
Speaker 1: I'd like to learn a lot more. I it feels
Speaker 1: to me um and you know and who I know nothing,
Speaker 1: So let's start right there. I'm not coming at you
Speaker 1: with information. It just feels to me seeing pretty little nontext. No,
Speaker 1: it feels a little, um, a little suspicious that you know,
Speaker 1: it's all this thing about they met during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: She's never heard of football, which is fine, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's fine. That part of it I don't know. But
Speaker 1: it's just like when I think of Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: everything about him, like what about what she said about him?
Speaker 1: Is how they link up. I would love to hear
Speaker 1: an Erica. If you cut this for social I will
Speaker 1: drive my car off a cliff. So I don't even
Speaker 1: think about it. I'd love to know Erica's take on
Speaker 1: this too, But like, am I wrong? Does this seem like? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course this makes total sense. They didn't even know
Speaker 1: each other five months ago or whatever, and now they're
Speaker 1: like and when I just I want to know more,
Speaker 1: they'll leave it at that. And I probably was a
Speaker 1: little stronger on text. You were text it was totally different.
Speaker 1: Am I am? I like a lone wolf with this.
Speaker 1: I just I find what do you? It's a total
Speaker 1: publicity move. I mean that's how I feel. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's dated famous people. But that's the circle, as in,
Speaker 1: you know, let let people love you know. Colleen and Ganza,
Speaker 1: they were famous people in Philly. They got they moved
Speaker 1: in after three months they were telling I got I
Speaker 1: got engaged in out that about as quick as as
Speaker 1: I mean. This is a classic situation where Greg makes
Speaker 1: friends and I burn Bridges and I just it's on appealing. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: me and Woodley are gonna be you know, hitting the
Speaker 1: part three. I don't Well, she doesn't know what that is.
Speaker 1: She's like, he's a football guy. It's like, okay, please,
Speaker 1: what is the um? Ricky? You would know? This is
Speaker 1: the type of thing I feel like, you know, what
Speaker 1: is that celebrity dating site Riot? So there's this site
Speaker 1: UM that you have to get invited to and it's
Speaker 1: basically a housing area for um wealthy slash well known people.
Speaker 1: What's that it's tender for to get verified? I got
Speaker 1: on it a couple of years ago. Actually, somehow I got.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're getting Woodley Rogers level people to
Speaker 1: the no, but Rogers Rogers is watching Divergent one night
Speaker 1: and he's just like Texas agent, Hey, can you get
Speaker 1: me her agents number or whatever? You know? That's that's
Speaker 1: kind of okay. I was gonna I'm just saying, what
Speaker 1: if he was on RYA, I don't know, maybe that's
Speaker 1: where they met there Ricky, who did you see when
Speaker 1: you were scrolling? Were you swiping? How did you get in?
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, someone gave me like an I
Speaker 1: was referred to by someone like a YouTuber that has
Speaker 1: some trillion followers, so I like got on through an invite. Um,
Speaker 1: and I saw John Mayer, I saw Kaylani, I saw
Speaker 1: Raven Simone, Um, I saw um a couple of other
Speaker 1: like guitarists that you would recognize guitarists. I mean, did
Speaker 1: you interact or date or do you know? None of No,
Speaker 1: none of them matched me back, which was really sad.
Speaker 1: That's one thing to see them. Yeah, Richie Sambora wasn't
Speaker 1: like hey I gotta check this. H It was such
Speaker 1: a random guitarists. Um, you know, like rock stars and
Speaker 1: like losers to like, oh I'm a vine star with
Speaker 1: a million followers. It's like get out of here. But
Speaker 1: here I am like, yeah pop calling them. But all right, um,
Speaker 1: all right, well Mark, that was good. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's like it's true. It's true. It's true. But like,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't John Mayer like be intrigued, Like I'm just
Speaker 1: like a little nobody who's like fun to be around
Speaker 1: like mystery. What are you doing on that side? Bro?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean, hey, I guess he's
Speaker 1: he's just owning his whole thing, all right? Does anybody
Speaker 1: else have anything I want to add to the vision board?
Speaker 1: Thank you Ricky before we go, I have a just
Speaker 1: I will not dive into them, but I have a
Speaker 1: couple of taglines for certain, for a couple of quick
Speaker 1: taglines that would take no more than twenty seconds. If
Speaker 1: you'd be interested, I have another one to add to
Speaker 1: the board. If you want to do that, then finish
Speaker 1: by giving us some taglines. Sure, let's do that, okay. Um.
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw Greg and you kind of put
Speaker 1: this on my rate are and that I did some
Speaker 1: thinking about it. Uh. I want to see it's a
Speaker 1: big picture of Greg Gumble's head, and then surrounding Greg
Speaker 1: Gumble's head is just a collection of the most fierce
Speaker 1: looking wolves that you've ever seen. Just he's he, but
Speaker 1: the wolves and they had their teeth out. They are
Speaker 1: not coming at Greg. They're going the other way. They're
Speaker 1: protecting Greg Gumble because what whatever is happening behind this,
Speaker 1: This is just seems to be the number one guy
Speaker 1: at CBS and those days are over. But what they've
Speaker 1: been doing with this guy, they just let rich Gannon
Speaker 1: go his partner um for the year last a couple
Speaker 1: of years, I guess it was Um. They before that
Speaker 1: they had tagged him with Bruce Arians, which was, you know,
Speaker 1: come on, but in Trent Green was in there, and
Speaker 1: then before that, Trent Green was there, and they got
Speaker 1: Trent Green out of there, and it's like, let's get
Speaker 1: this man out of this abusive cycle where you're pairing
Speaker 1: him with like gimmick hires and quarterbacks from the Imperial
Speaker 1: period of ludicrous. You know, how about we take Jim
Speaker 1: Nance and his twenty million dollar a year demands, say,
Speaker 1: go take a high, go to Amazon, Greg with Romo
Speaker 1: and uh. For for no other reason than just think
Speaker 1: how many less uh golf ball golf bits we'd have
Speaker 1: to endure during the middle of huge games Gumble Romo,
Speaker 1: protect Greg, Gumble wolves around him. I would only ask
Speaker 1: what other bits would we endure though, in place of
Speaker 1: the golf bits? My bets gumbles a pro. He's been
Speaker 1: doing this for a long time. He's good at his job.
Speaker 1: He's a professional. There's no question. Why what do you
Speaker 1: see that? Well? I see the I see the first
Speaker 1: of all, the worm has really turned on the Romo thing.
Speaker 1: People are are a little tired of Romo. I'm not
Speaker 1: um or the you know, the Romo nance thing. You
Speaker 1: know fall I don't lie. I mean he's fallen down
Speaker 1: that pecking chart. Greg Gumble, he had a time at
Speaker 1: our network. I don't know if you remember that doing
Speaker 1: Thursday night football that I don't know. It doesn't even
Speaker 1: really make sense of this. God, I don't know. Like
Speaker 1: CBS executives don't lie, but yeah, I guess they do. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, he had his time and
Speaker 1: he's still he's still getting those checks. So I would
Speaker 1: be worried though about who's next up there. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're like, if you're Greg Jennings or whatever, and he
Speaker 1: you're the next partner for Gumble that you know, then
Speaker 1: you gotta be a little word at it's a weird
Speaker 1: thing to that you put the son your vision board.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's it's yeah, and I greg Or Dan,
Speaker 1: I wasn't aware that you were such a Greg Gumble
Speaker 1: of file. I like, based on shatter in our news room.
Speaker 1: And I'm not pegging this on you. I I didn't
Speaker 1: realize anyone was a died in the wool gumble fan.
Speaker 1: But he is a professional, no doubt about. I don't
Speaker 1: remember how we did on art play by play rankings
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. I don't have the sword
Speaker 1: into the skies, but um, it's like Greg Jennings is
Speaker 1: gonna come first first day of work and like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, before you get in the booth, here's
Speaker 1: this pendant with an ancient like mummy's head on it.
Speaker 1: You have to wear it all season. It's like, why,
Speaker 1: oh no, don't worry about. It's definitely not cursed. And
Speaker 1: I know Jenny Jennings is on Fox Savior tweets I
Speaker 1: should have chosen Jay Feely or something. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a live show that we're taping here. I'll throw I'll
Speaker 1: throw one even by the way, even and something like this, Greg,
Speaker 1: let's not throw Jay Feely out there. Go ahead, just yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to think of CBS. I have just a phrase
Speaker 1: for the for the middle of it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I looked at this exercise differently. I was thinking
Speaker 1: really more personally, but I'm putting that phrase which I've
Speaker 1: brought up. He heed the call which was something West
Speaker 1: would say to me. A lot head the call, that's
Speaker 1: just a nice It's not about little faith or anything.
Speaker 1: It's you know, but that you can look at it
Speaker 1: that way too. You know what's in your heart that
Speaker 1: you want to do ultimately if you look in far enough,
Speaker 1: so head that call. I like that, and don't put
Speaker 1: a hashtag head the call. Let's no, we don't need
Speaker 1: the call straight up. And Greg Jennings if they try
Speaker 1: to give you a tiki god pendant to say no,
Speaker 1: that is I'd not do. I'm not wearing this so
Speaker 1: so random. This is the first. We haven't talked to
Speaker 1: Greg Gumble in a while. Do you remember that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were not We did not have a podcast when
Speaker 1: Greg Gumble was on NFL network. Was it Gumbel and Mayok?
Speaker 1: Was that? Who was with Mayak? You predated me in
Speaker 1: terms of watching NFL Network to be totally honestly, I
Speaker 1: didn't even have NFL but he he launched Thursday Night Football,
Speaker 1: so that that was a big spot. That was I
Speaker 1: thought Mak was great on it. That that was a
Speaker 1: big spot for Greg Gumble. Uh at NFL network. You
Speaker 1: know you brought up West and one of the things.
Speaker 1: I would have loved to read a book that West
Speaker 1: would have written, because I think he would have written
Speaker 1: the next great um sports book. Um, if you were
Speaker 1: able to write a book, Greg, it would it would
Speaker 1: definitely have to be one of those like in in
Speaker 1: Death Breakdowns like they did, like an SNL book they did.
Speaker 1: These guys had all the fun the ESPN book like
Speaker 1: an NFL network oral history. Um, but oral history is
Speaker 1: even not taking advantage of this because I want Greg's
Speaker 1: takes in there. I want you to to write to
Speaker 1: tell all on NFL networks, but the takes in between. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so stay on my good show network or else. I'm
Speaker 1: coming to you afterwards. And I know all the people
Speaker 1: to contact. By the way, one of them is not
Speaker 1: Greg Gumbo. I made the huge Gumble mistake and confused
Speaker 1: the two Gumbles. It was Brian. I knew something was wrong.
Speaker 1: Bryant Gumble did launched the NFL network, and that's why
Speaker 1: it was not you know, with all due respect, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say that. Don't say I know exactly where you're going.
Speaker 1: Don't edit that out. I don't respect it. He he
Speaker 1: was great in the in the studio. Brian Gobble not
Speaker 1: good in the booth. It was a bad choice. So
Speaker 1: his brother Greg in the booth. Okay, in the in
Speaker 1: the booth, Brian Greg spinning, we're off the rails, all right,
Speaker 1: give us some tags, all right, And there's a lot
Speaker 1: to these. But they're gonna you're gonna have to almost
Speaker 1: imagine what they mean. I guess, But, um, best life unlocked,
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. I mean, you had a you know what,
Speaker 1: we're five months removed from Mrs Stafford complaining about Michigan.
Speaker 1: They're probably like, you know, shoveling their driveways. It's dim
Speaker 1: and dreary. Now you're in law law Land. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand for them a little bit. You what
Speaker 1: you are? Wait, I don't understand what you're saying. You agree,
Speaker 1: I just don't want that to go unchecked. Michigan is
Speaker 1: a wonderful place. I know a lot of people love Michigan.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not really a shot at Michigan, but they
Speaker 1: seem to be tired with it, and I think this
Speaker 1: is a best life to unlocked. There Suddenly, you know,
Speaker 1: hanging out in Los Angeles and there's a chance to
Speaker 1: become a star for the Rams. I like that out
Speaker 1: of a boring situation. How about this, If you're Jared
Speaker 1: Goff in Detroit, everyone's down on this guy, time to
Speaker 1: be a boss boy, And you can paint that all
Speaker 1: from how you wish. But these are things that I've
Speaker 1: found on other people's message boards people are actually using.
Speaker 1: In that case, it was time to be a boss girl.
Speaker 1: But he's he's a boy, so flip it. For some reason,
Speaker 1: boss girl has a little more pop to it than
Speaker 1: boss boy. Well there's some things have more pop than
Speaker 1: Jared Goff right now. So I mean it's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a little guy. Well that wasn't my attempt. Um.
Speaker 1: The last thing is he designed a life he loved. Again,
Speaker 1: I saw she designed a life she loved. But this
Speaker 1: can be I think gender neutral. It's Sean McVeigh. I
Speaker 1: think he's boldly sort of said, look, I was the
Speaker 1: genius boy and that came with like you know, if
Speaker 1: you ever watched the Royal Tenant bombs, their adult lives
Speaker 1: were riddled with with with problem is after being the
Speaker 1: the boy geniuses and the girl Geniuses and that family,
Speaker 1: and Shaun McVeigh came in as that guy as the
Speaker 1: head coach. Well, these are men were I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't have a I could get a Sheila hemp Ford
Speaker 1: in here for you, somewhere I find will use a boy.
Speaker 1: It's just coming up a lot. I don't know. This
Speaker 1: says he designed a life he loved. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 1: he was the boy genius. But I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: he's boldly sort of said, look, I'm restarting the engine,
Speaker 1: doing it my way. I'm designing the rams and the
Speaker 1: life that I love. And I think that the Rams,
Speaker 1: if anything, they've kind of said, we don't care how
Speaker 1: anyone else does it, and you can like it or not.
Speaker 1: We're starting in a new direction and they they've upped
Speaker 1: my interest in that team. And that was a chore
Speaker 1: I think on their part to get there. I was
Speaker 1: just saying, like, just to take the pedal off the
Speaker 1: accelerator on all the boy stuff because it it might
Speaker 1: get weird on the vision board if it's just like
Speaker 1: too much stuff like boy, this boy that, well that's
Speaker 1: you know, you could exclude me from the exercise, but
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to paste what I want onto the board.
Speaker 1: You've got idea, Yeah, it was a good idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Greg Gumble not ban Can we put Sean Can we
Speaker 1: put Sean McVeigh the shirt list in the pool? Can
Speaker 1: that be the picture of him that we cut out
Speaker 1: and use. Sure, I don't know if that's exactly the
Speaker 1: message here, but yes, again, it's your your You have
Speaker 1: freedom to do what you wi. This is yours though.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't want to putting next to my
Speaker 1: picture of him, Like I could have him in clothing,
Speaker 1: you could have him in the pool. Okay. I hope
Speaker 1: someone's watching this or listening to this right now and
Speaker 1: maybe it shows up on the subret somebody, somebody puts
Speaker 1: together what this vision board would look like. We will
Speaker 1: definitely amplify that on social media. A lot of boys stuff.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a lot of contributions there. Just just because,
Speaker 1: by the way, it's been bothering me. I just want
Speaker 1: to let you know. The original NFL Network Thursday Night
Speaker 1: team was Bryant Gumble and Chris Collinsworth and Dick and
Speaker 1: Dick Vermeo replaced Collinsworth on the Saturday games, which I
Speaker 1: remember was a weird thing, but I stand by my take.
Speaker 1: Brian and Gumbo was one of the worst play by
Speaker 1: play man I've ever heard. Barely was aware of what
Speaker 1: was going on in the NFL. We killed those broadcasts.
Speaker 1: One little note before we get out of here, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not standing for the total Brian Gumble takedown. As
Speaker 1: someone who's older than you and grew up every morning
Speaker 1: watching Brian Gumble and Jane PAULI uh, you know, they
Speaker 1: were the Today Show hosts of choice, and I know
Speaker 1: Brian Gumble. They that Sports Illustrated profile they put out
Speaker 1: about Brian and Greg Gumble back in the day was
Speaker 1: one of the bigger broadcasting takedowns I've ever read, and
Speaker 1: I would suggest you go find it. Do you guys
Speaker 1: remember that Greg? You Greg, this will essentially be adult
Speaker 1: reading to hear you would he he did. He did
Speaker 1: the game where they went sixteen and o over the Giants.
Speaker 1: That was actually Brian Gumble's last game. I believe with
Speaker 1: NFL network that Greg is so annoyed that he was
Speaker 1: so annoyed. UM. But and you know, real sports venerable UM.
Speaker 1: Sports of the last twenty years so so still going strong.
Speaker 1: Certainly there is definitely some respect on Brian Gumble's name here,
Speaker 1: but the vision board has Greg with the Wolves and
Speaker 1: maybe Briant like with his name scratched out, I don't respect.
Speaker 1: There we go a bunch of whipper snappers taking down
Speaker 1: the gumbles. This should go well. Um. All right, that's
Speaker 1: it for this week. We'll be back next week with
Speaker 1: two shows, UM, including a Monday program, so you'll hear
Speaker 1: from us next on Monday. Again. A reminder the Chris
Speaker 1: westling UM go fund me for Lakisha and link is active,
Speaker 1: please hit it up. And actually, someone just on Twitter
Speaker 1: this morning had asked me UM about what kind of
Speaker 1: books West was into. Of course, as you know, West
Speaker 1: wrote an amazing piece about his favorite football book Books
Speaker 1: of All Time. Check that out. And also another listener
Speaker 1: and and West fan as we all were, UM went
Speaker 1: on Spotify and saw that West his Spotify account his
Speaker 1: playlists and I can't stress this enough. West was a
Speaker 1: music lover as all of us are, but West, in
Speaker 1: his west way, was also a curator of playlists that
Speaker 1: all fit a very UM specific mindset. And um, he
Speaker 1: has eighty five playlists available over on Spotify, which you
Speaker 1: could get if you look him up. Contact West over
Speaker 1: there or just check out my Twitter profile where I
Speaker 1: have it amplified there. Keep saying amplified everything from Steely
Speaker 1: Dan to lead belly based on what we were listening
Speaker 1: to over at their place, uh last weekend. Absolutely all right,
Speaker 1: good stuff. This is dan As signing off for Quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: the Old Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the virtual glass.
Speaker 1: Oh Greg, take down that other suspender or what is
Speaker 1: what they called, oh brill Bryan Gobble. That's it until Monday.
Speaker 1: Defender