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Speaker 1: Entourage and Ballers ironically both on HBO. It's a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show, Cannabis Talk one on one.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today, brother, I'm hanging in there. Man.

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Speaker 1: Well that's that can right now. Yeah. Isn't it crazy?

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Speaker 1: How the time is right now? As you say, right now?

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Speaker 1: How has covid been for you? Oh, it's been a

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Speaker 1: last I just get to stay home with my son

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Speaker 1: a good time. I mean, it's tough, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, I'm sure it's a loud worse

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Speaker 1: that quarantine fatigue. Sure. I think we're all ready to

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Speaker 1: just a crazy time you type of stuff. Do you

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Speaker 1: Cool because I had an antithetical thought, you know, my

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Speaker 1: you all have this fucking guy, Johnny Drama. You have

424
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: these guys, So that influence that you put on America,

425
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 1: let alone the world who came up to you after

426
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 1: Rob that was a shocker, going, yo, Rob, you put

427
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: together a fucking winner. Yeah, bro, so so many people.

428
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't even know why this just popped in my

429
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: head because it's not like I think about Mario Lopez,

430
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: but I remember like literally being at wild Card, Mario

431
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: Lopez go and literally tell me his grandmother loves the show,

432
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it was didn't care about like the guys, like,

433
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, the guys were I think, you know, we

434
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 1: got nominated for like I think it's like six Golden Globe,

435
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: six years story and I think like one of the

436
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: first year, Brad Pitt was on the red carpet and

437
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: he looked at the you know he was doing his

438
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: thing and he saw the guys and he was like,

439
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: and I wasn't the effort, but like I heard that

440
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 1: he was like, yo, entourage, there's the boys, and everybody

441
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: was fucking stoked. I think it was like it was

442
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: just a lot, man. It was like you know, it

443
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: was and it went. It was very it was very quick,

444
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: like in the sense that and again I'm just personalizing

445
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: the experience to myself, but it went from feeling like

446
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a place in the town to

447
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: my agent like hold me up, going, hey, Paramount Pictures

448
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 1: wants to talk to you. So I went in and

449
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,239
Speaker 1: I sat down with like this whole whole group of

450
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: executives and they were talking to me about movies, and

451
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: I was kind of bugging out, you know a little bit,

452
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: like probably sitting there like you know, and they about

453
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: who it was. But it was like she was an

454
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 1: awesome exact that I'm trying to remember was but she

455
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: remembered you looking at me going Rob baby, relax, you're

456
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: not pitching today. With pitching you you want to work

457
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: with you? And then I was like, wow, who And

458
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: then I went and I called my agent. I was

459
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: like because it's a whole back story that's been I've

460
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: talked about million times. So I didn't want to do

461
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 1: the show, and my agent was like, you're a moron

462
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: yet no career. You need to do the show. So

463
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: I did the show, you know, which obviously turned out

464
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: to be the best thing I ever did in my

465
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 1: entire life other than having a kid. But you know, um,

466
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,239
Speaker 1: I called my agent after the pounamount thing. I'm like, Yo,

467
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make a movie. I don't have to

468
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: do the show anymore. And she's like, what are you

469
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: an idiot? You gotta hit TV show? You right that way?

470
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: You don't get off that way. But then I was like,

471
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: all right to take money out of my pocket? Yeah,

472
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, well you know what for her, But really

473
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: I just would have been taking money out of my

474
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: house absolutely. You know every That's why you need help

475
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: getting out of your own way. You know that the cannabis,

476
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: He's like on the set back there in those days,

477
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: you were shooting uh on aurage? Yeah, good question. I

478
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: don't even know where people who just download about it

479
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: if they did it. No, I'm I'm I'm gonna be honest.

480
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody on that show smokes weed.

481
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean everybody drank. Yeah, that's but no one admitted

482
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: they smoked weed back then. Well, no, I just don't

483
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: know which guys like, I don't feel like. I don't

484
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: think Connolly smoke sweed. I can't picture Dylan smoking weed Pivot.

485
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: I never really hung out, so I don't know what

486
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: the funk he does. But Garry Ferrars definitely not smoking weed.

487
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: May think green does you don't think Dylan smoke sweed.

488
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: Funny thing is I see Kevin at the airport one

489
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: d Burbek Airport. I just lew back from Vegas. He's

490
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: on the flight. We're fucking right there at the You

491
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: know how Burbank Airport is the luggage that comes around

492
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: back in the day of Actually they're having inside now,

493
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: but back in the day, you're outside and fucking entragh

494
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: is popping at its finest and quote unquote Johnny Drama.

495
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: Kevin Dylan walking around and he's trying to ask for

496
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: a cigarette just come off the plane. I'm like, you're

497
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me. This is not the guy who acts

498
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: like this, and you're really acting like this in real life.

499
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: I love him, needs a funny dude. Kevin, I know Kevin,

500
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: a long time man. He was a funny cat. You know.

501
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: How about like again, like these are like New York guys.

502
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, these are like beer culture guys going out

503
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: having scotch or whatever it is. Like I just said,

504
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I mean, obviously the character of Turtle

505
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: he was he was blazing all the time, you know.

506
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: But but I can't picture Jerry actually smoke. Did you

507
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: actually cast these cats or were you part of that?

508
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: But you're like, Okay, this is that character I'm envisioning. No,

509
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: those guys, those guys all preceded me. So basically, you

510
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: know you should obviously, you guys know the process you

511
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: make a pilot, cast the pilot. Um. I had known

512
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: most of those guys, and I was down on set

513
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: a bunch during the pilot with Doug hanging out with him. Um,

514
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: but all my casting, the boldment came after the principles

515
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: as a show progress forward. So basically they made the

516
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: show at the time that they shot the pilot. Doug

517
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: Ellen's the writer. Then they gotta they gotta kind of

518
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: like pulled together a team, right, So Larry Charles jumped

519
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: on because they kind of HBO at that time felt like,

520
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Doug was young, hadn't run a show, so

521
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: they were like, let's put somebody in there, you know,

522
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: season Larry coming from Curb Seinfeld when he ran mad

523
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: about you so and he's the fall Oh you know

524
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: what he's He's a good pod guy to talk to

525
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, I mean Larry was like Rick Rubin.

526
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, David, what's that David? Larry Charles, Yeah,

527
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: he's brilliant. He directed Brad but I mean he's yeah,

528
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: he's I mean, genius man. He's he's one of the more.

529
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: We'll get him on that and what kind of interesting

530
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: people walking around the planet. So Larry went on and

531
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: then um, you know they want to be to go

532
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: in with them. And it was a little bit of,

533
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of a struggle I think

534
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: with HBO because I had made the most friends to

535
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: this a little more Street film had a lot of comedy,

536
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: had levity and places, but I think HBO wasn't really

537
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: feeling like I was an organic fit for it. So

538
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, it was a little bit of a process

539
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: to make that happen. You know, that's after I was like,

540
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. I don't want to

541
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: do it. I don't have to do with my agents

542
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: like do it. I'm like, all, I'll do it, and

543
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: then HB I was like, we don't want them to

544
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: do it. So then all of a sudden, you're in

545
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: there like tapped and seem begging for this job that

546
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago you were like, I don't want

547
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: to do this, and like I need I needed, you know,

548
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: So it was kind of it was really funny then,

549
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: but um yeah, so, I mean my moombment came later,

550
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, as we got into I'm just wondering to Rob,

551
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: what kind of reaction would you get from Hollywood with

552
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: fucking Jeremy's roles are gold because I feel like sometimes

553
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: he would steal the fucking scenes. I mean he was

554
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: just a killer, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, you

555
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: know again, that was that character that you know, early

556
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: on was going to be just supplemental in a way

557
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: and support a support of you know, and he just

558
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: it just exploded, you know, and Jeremy was great at it,

559
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean I think we wrote this

560
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: ship out of it. It was easy to write for

561
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, Hollywood loved it because I missed

562
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: town was full of fuckings. I mean, you know, everybody's

563
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: a little bit nicer now, you know. Once they started

564
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: dropped the names of assholes, I started going to jail prison,

565
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: like yeah, people like me. He was daniship by assistant's head.

566
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: But it was like, you know, it was definitely, uh,

567
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, a sign of the times. You know, when

568
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: did you realize you you wanted to to write and

569
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: get into film? How old are you back then? When

570
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: did it start for you? I think it was like,

571
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'd always had a love for it.

572
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: You know. It's like I mean, I'm you know, I'm

573
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: a child of television and movies. And it's funny because

574
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, I have a son he just turned five,

575
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: and I'll be I want to watch Rampage, you know,

576
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: and then he'll watch it, and then you know, I'll go,

577
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: what do you want to want to go? Go Rampage?

578
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: You just fucking watch Rampage. And it's funny because that's

579
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: the way my child was. You know. It's like even

580
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: into my teens, I would watch the same movies, the

581
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: same things over and over again, you know, and it's

582
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: like they kind of shape me, and I like, if

583
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: you can send to me. It's two things happen at once. Right,

584
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: there's my love of film television, how it influences inspires me.

585
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: And then my mom's whole side and family had moved

586
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: out to my grade, out to the West Coast, So

587
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: the only place we haven't went on vacation was California.

588
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Right on spring break, we go out to the valley

589
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: stay with my aunt and uncle and my cousins. And

590
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: it's funny because they're all the way out in like

591
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: north Ridge, but they had this like living room that

592
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: was kind of roped off from our kids, from us kids,

593
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: and you go up and you just stare at the

594
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: lights of the basin of the valley, whatever whatever part

595
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: of the valley it is. And I'm never just looking

596
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: at those lights, going, man, this is like the center

597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: of the fucking university, you know. And you know, I like,

598
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea where it is, man, you know

599
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: what I mean? But like I was like, I gotta

600
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: get back here. So it was always kind of in

601
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: my head to wind up on the West Coast. So

602
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: somewhere in my twenties, like I was in Parsons School,

603
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: sign in New York, kind of meandering from department to department,

604
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: kind of figure out how to like take whatever artistic

605
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: talent I had, what I car lay that into. I

606
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: was also like a club promoter, which I fucking hated theory,

607
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: and it was like it's a series of ship But

608
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: but you know, my dad was a super like realist

609
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: man street dude, pragmatic. My mom was like a theater

610
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: free like she had like you know, as an actress,

611
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: she had gone to like Strasburg had degreased from Hofstra

612
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: and then like you know whatever, like um HP, you

613
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: know her been burglf like she just went. I would

614
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: always go to theater, So she had that culture, but

615
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: it always seemed like such a pipe dream. At least

616
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: my dad would be I got hollywoods a pipe dream,

617
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: It's a possible you know. So I think it was

618
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: like it was definitely daunting. It was a scary thing

619
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: to go like this is what I want to do.

620
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: But I think when I when I made the decision

621
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: to do it, some kind of like cosmic wind just

622
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: got behind me and pushed me to be able to

623
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: make this movie that I made, Like I've basically thrown

624
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: out of my film school parts and I had like

625
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: multiication throughout, and I'm gonna go make a movie. And

626
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: my teacher was like, yeah, yeah, dickhead you are. He's

627
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: like asshole, asshole, And like somehow I was like, I'm

628
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: gonna sit down and write a short film. And it

629
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: just kept going and going. It it became a feature

630
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: and we raised like forty grand and pulled together and

631
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: all these interesting things were happening, like there was an

632
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: Ayazi strike and guys were like, y'all come work on

633
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: it for cash. Like we were getting like all these

634
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Speaker 1: talented people. And then we cast it. This guy John Pearson,

635
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: who was a really well known producers wrap it seen

636
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: um some dalis and he was like, I'll give you

637
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the money to finish it. So I

638
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: was just it, you know what I mean, but I

639
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: do it was like like if you had said to

640
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: me as a kid, like what would you you want

641
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: to be? I didn't want to make movies, but I

642
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: think I was just scared to get my head around

643
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: now now like pretty much, you know, I think the

644
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: misspeak has been you know, completely, veil of speak has

645
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: been completely lifted on movies, you know else. So in

646
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: the sense that I'm not saying and take you know,

647
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: prodical talent to make a good film. I just think

648
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: that back then you look at you like I fu

649
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: you look take a movie. You know. It's just you know,

650
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: it's a big project. It's always big. It's great to

651
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: hear from you. It's Rob White on here with Cannabis

652
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: Talk one oh one. When we come back, We're gonna

653
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: here about future projects and do the high five. It's

654
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one oh one, gonna protein sette. No, I

655
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: was gonna say, this is a real lasting in what

656
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Speaker 1: not to do before like doing a pod like drink

657
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Speaker 1: like four you take a piss. No, it's a four

658
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: shot of special from creation. Dude. The first thirty second

659
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: of this podcast, I thought I was gonna blast off,

660
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: like if you fuckers didn't make me comfortable, I would

661
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: have been sucking three, didn't you know what. I love

662
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: that though. I'm wanting to just pop a bunch of

663
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: caffee like that too and just go hard. I love

664
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: it because you know what, I never really I'm not

665
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: a great planner, you know what I mean. I'm not well.

666
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: For me. It used to be doing a bump or

667
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: do a shot of caffeine. I'd stick to the caffeine nowadays.

668
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: If fucking guy man, you know, give me a cocol

669
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: Well that's why I said we're back, dog, We're back.

670
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: Cannais to one on one work. You want to say

671
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: some things that bring us back I do. I want

672
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: to say, take a hit, get lit, and sit back

673
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: and enjoy. Cannabis Talk one on one with Martin Craig,

674
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: the Poper that Law Blue and Joe Grande and our

675
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: great guest here, Rob. We we are going to do

676
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: my favorite part of the show, the Cannabis Talk one

677
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: on one high five. But first, but Joe, we want

678
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: to ask you, Rob, what are you working on right

679
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: now that we can see that you know we're gonna

680
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: we can expect from you because you had such great things.

681
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: And I know we have Jane that does the woman

682
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: of cannabis with us that you know, brought you and

683
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: connected us together. And if I'm not mistaken, there might

684
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: be some works you guys doing. What's going on with

685
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Speaker 1: you Christine or no act? The inspired this idea while

686
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: we're taking a hike together. You know, I mean, I like,

687
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me preface what I'm gonna

688
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: say with this, I never really talked about stuff that

689
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: is in the pipeline, only because I know that most

690
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: ship does not happen, you know what I mean. So

691
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: it's always like like people who like we'll sell shows

692
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: or I'll sell a show or set it up, and like,

693
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: I don't want to do an announcement because I don't

694
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: want to get like fifty texts you know from people

695
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: interview requests six months later like what happened? And I'm like,

696
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: I can go forward, so you know, But with that said,

697
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: I will talk anyway because just because I'm here and

698
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, fill some fucking airtime. But um yeah, so

699
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, Janet and I were talking and again like

700
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it was it's not a revolutionary concept.

701
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: But basically, you know, I've been trying to find like

702
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: a window into the cannabis world. So years ago, via

703
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: and overall I had with HBO. Let's say it was

704
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: possibly around the time of the end of Entourage and

705
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: somewhere and how to Make in America. It actually sold

706
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: the show to HBO about a character was right. I

707
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: can tell you what it was. It was like oh

708
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: nine after like the housing market and the bubble burst

709
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: and economy was because and I at the time, I

710
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: was going through a divorce and I remember like somebody

711
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: to give me a grip. That was written a little

712
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: more sitcom me, but it was about like, you know,

713
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: a medical maron of the Spencer. So one day I

714
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: was out like skimming my pool, you know, like I'll

715
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: do that ship on my own because I do it right.

716
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not having gotten does it? But like

717
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: if I really want to clean up skimming myself. But

718
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: I remember like being stressed out and cleaning and going

719
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: you know what, man, Like what am I stressing out about?

720
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: You know? It's like I could always just go clue

721
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: pools for a living, right, I could always just drop

722
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: out of the rat race, not bugg the funk out

723
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: and just find a simpler life. And that to me

724
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: triggered like a way into this pop story about a

725
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: stressed out century city attorney who winds up, you know,

726
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: twenties who winds up pumping the voice and a legalized

727
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: movement with the surrogate family in venice. Right. I mean,

728
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: it's more complicated, but we don't have time to get

729
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: into the nuances of it. But the bottom line is

730
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: sell it to HBO to a couple of drafts, and

731
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: then I get a call from the exact on it.

732
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: It was like, look, man, I don't want you to

733
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: do any more drafts. Uh. You know, word from the

734
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: top is we're not gonna do a picture. So I'm like,

735
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: all right, fair enough. So the thing like kind of

736
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: dies the guy from and then later on I had

737
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out what details to get into whatnot,

738
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: but bottom lines, I deal with Fox for something else

739
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: that comedy for the network was like, hey man, what

740
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: happened to that pot show? And I'm like, well, they're

741
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: not doing it. He's like I wanted for Fox and

742
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm like right, and he's like, but I want you

743
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: to take out the pot and I was like, okay, yeah, man,

744
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: we can take out the weed of it. So now

745
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: it's just a stressed that attorney you like, tunes in

746
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: turns on, drops out, finds a new life of freedom,

747
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: not worried about the stresses of this fucking complicated financial

748
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: world world living it. So they do an announcement somehow.

749
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: The announcement they do is the HBO announcement. It basically

750
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: says from like rob Y Steve Levitton and Mark Wahlberg.

751
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: They're doing a pot show for a Fox. They get

752
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: picked up everywhere and I'm talking like thousands of media

753
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: hits about this pot show coming to Fox. I'm like,

754
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: holy shit. So I called the guy at Fox, bro,

755
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: did you see all like the you know, the fucking hits?

756
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: He said, no, what are you talking about it? Both

757
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: people are going crazy about it being pot. He's like, oh,

758
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: keep it, then keep it. I go really, he goes ship,

759
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: I go, all right, great, we write it rewrited her

760
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: like you know, Fox studios like point of view and

761
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: their notes handed in and then they're like, yo, well

762
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: we can't do a podo basically get the flat lines.

763
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: And again, this is pre legalized it, so I think

764
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: it was like obviously ahead of its time. But since then,

765
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: I've definitely been interested in the culture. I had a

766
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: lot of friends in the business, ranging from bankers to

767
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: growers to brand owners. CBD Cannabis and uh, it's super compelling,

768
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: you know. And it's definitely compelling from the marketing standpoint,

769
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: which is an interesting point of view into it. How

770
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: all these brands compete in this bubble, you know. I mean,

771
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of interesting facets of it. Well, you know,

772
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: talking with you A, what I started to see in

773
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Converstation was how many women have really become like super

774
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: successful entrepreneurs in the cannabis space. So I was like,

775
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: we should explore that and have another project with um Mary,

776
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: not with Mary Jane, but with the guys your Kashmir

777
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: who owned Mary Jane, which is you know, it's it's

778
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: their cannabis platform with Snoop Dogg. So I started talking

779
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: to them. They got bobs. So we've been trying to

780
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: build out this kind of docky drama, you know. So

781
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like I think it'll be that will definitely

782
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: be potentially one way to get inside that space. But

783
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: then if I had all the projects that are coming

784
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: to me, you know, with that as well, so well

785
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: I'm excited. And not only that I would really love

786
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: to see I know if it was very very protracted,

787
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: long story to get to a very short but it

788
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 1: was a great none of that. It was a great

789
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: insight on how Hollywood is all fucking fucked up anyways

790
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: like that, and that's great. The big the biggest takeaway

791
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: is that you know, I just like I'm too like

792
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm too neurotic to throw all my eggs in one basket.

793
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: So it's always like just try to develop as many

794
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: things as possible, work with his many talent people as possible,

795
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: and just try to like get stuff out there and

796
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: whatever's going first becomes like you know what it is? Yeah,

797
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, And as you say, worked with so many

798
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: talented people. How was that working with the rock and Ballers? Yeah,

799
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: that was huge. I never met the guy, you know,

800
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't know now I'm kidding from I'm like, you know,

801
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: he sees the real deal, man, I I you know,

802
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: what if he wasn't that, I would find like some

803
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: way to evade the question. But he was like to work.

804
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: You know, Dwayne Dwayne, Dwayne inspires. He inspires in person

805
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: the same way inspires you know, hundreds of millions of

806
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: people that like follow him on Instagram. He's uh, he

807
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: shows up, kicks ass, He's charismatic. You know, it's like

808
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: I you know, I directed him obviously in a bunch

809
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: of episodes and it was fun as ship. You know,

810
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: he's he's a great dude. Man that that whole cast

811
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: was awesome. Man, What was your what was your favorite

812
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,479
Speaker 1: show ever? Shooting? I think you see, Like people asked

813
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: me that, like, I loved all the shows for different reasons, um,

814
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: but Ballers I think was the most complete experience for me,

815
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: and that was because I actually got the direct Ballers.

816
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: So when I started out in this business, I started

817
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: out as a writer director. The issue with Entourage, I

818
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: think was that, you know, our schedule was tighter. On

819
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: Entourage show, we would start writing, but we would never

820
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: finish like the season finale script, like prior to prepping it,

821
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like it would It feels

822
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but it always felt like people were

823
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: waiting for that script to produce it, so there was

824
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: never really time to like dip out and direct. I

825
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: think by time Doug start directing, and I was already

826
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: like doing double duty and working on how to make

827
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: it America so and that that show just didn't need

828
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: me to direct like that needed that was just finding

829
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: its floting, especially in season one, and we had a

830
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: great like roster directors on that. So I think with Ballers,

831
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, we had a larger time frame to write

832
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: the scripts, you know, so that we were pretty much

833
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: done with the scripts, you know, if not completely, probably

834
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: like while we were prepping it so I would be

835
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: able to direct. So because I was writing, I was directing,

836
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: I was producing, I just felt more like immersed in it,

837
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: and my relationships just felt richer and the communication and take.

838
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: So I mean it was just a different experience. But

839
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm proud of all three of those shows,

840
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, the cool thing about

841
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: them to me is that there's zeitgeist and their culture based.

842
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, like we've gone into interesting spaces, whether it's

843
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: professional sports, New York, downtown art scene, you know, skateboard

844
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: seeing or Hollywood with with entourage. Um, so the slices

845
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: of those cultures that we got to explore and piece

846
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: of life that everyone could identify with, because, as you said,

847
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: from wanting to be in Hollywood, from wanting to go

848
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: skateboard and party and hang out on the streets to

849
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: New York to wanting to be a professional athlete or

850
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: be in the realm of all those you touched, these

851
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: profiles of people who all go funk. I would love

852
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: to do that. Well, that's the trick, right, It's like,

853
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: how do you create aspirational, you know, shows of material,

854
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: but also show the complications of it that nothing's conflict

855
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: free and everything comes to the price. So to be

856
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: able to get in cider spaces and still create three

857
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: difsial characters, multidimensional characters who are having real experiences. I

858
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: think it's always kind of like part of at least

859
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: from the onset and creating a show. You know, if

860
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: there is even a show, like people gotta want something,

861
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: there's gotta be some gotta be some drive to the story.

862
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I think like at the end of

863
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: the day, like you want to do work that makes

864
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: people feel good, you know, it's like one last thing

865
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: before we get into the high A five punked. Let's

866
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: talk about punk for a second, because that was right, right, right, Yeah, well,

867
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: yeah I was. I mean that's kind of like that's

868
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: a crazy story. I never really talked about punk, so

869
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: but I will fuck it. Oh, it's it's kind of

870
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: a crazy story. Man. First of all, let me say

871
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: I love the Ashton Coacher man, Like we're not like

872
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: super homies, but we both do jiu jitsu at the

873
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: same academy, so I know him from there and he's

874
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: a great guy. So like, when I tell a story,

875
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to I feel like it's like an

876
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: Ashton thing, but um, the producer Ashton's partner was somebody

877
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: I had known socially, my brother's new socially, and you know,

878
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: he had called my brother and he was a talented writer.

879
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: Andy wrote, uh, white Boy Rick and this movie Middlemen.

880
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: You know that's he's he's a strong writer. At the time,

881
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: he was young, and at the time I was super

882
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: out of work and broke. Obviously it's prior to entourage,

883
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: and I was just sitting around trying to write the

884
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Great American Indy and uh so he had pulled Andy

885
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: and I watched season one A punked and I liked it.

886
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: So called Andy about coming down and writing it, and

887
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: I was like, Andy, tell him this, tell him that

888
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: they should do this, they should do that, And you know,

889
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: Andy went to the meeting and kind of like, you know,

890
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I didn'to you, and he's like, I

891
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: didn't tell him your ideas, but I told me love

892
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: the show and they want you to come work on

893
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: it too. So the producer kid called me up and

894
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, uh, I heard you love

895
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: the show and I was like, yeah, you should do this,

896
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: you should do that. And he was like yeah, and

897
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: he told me those ideas. I go, oh he did?

898
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: He said, he didn't you like you? Like It's basically like, listen,

899
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I could pay you. I forgot what the number was,

900
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: but I could pay you. You don't have to come

901
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: in just you know, send ideas this and that. And

902
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: I was like all right, And somehow all of that

903
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: just shifted to being at MTV. It like bad, you know,

904
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: ask for permission before you use the bathroom, like month breaks,

905
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: like I have power, and like, you know, I'm a

906
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: pretty humble guy, like I think I am, but I'm

907
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: coming off of like five years prior being at like

908
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: Universal in my own bungalow, and people go on, this

909
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: guy is gonna be the ship and I crapped out,

910
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: probably because I was paralyzed by fear and I just

911
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: couldn't pull the trigger. Now, guys will take ten years

912
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: between a movie. Back then, if you tuck in took

913
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: two years between a movie you had a crack addiction

914
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: or something. We couldn't get that head. Where do you

915
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: get the balls to move slow? Where do you get

916
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: the balls to have like anxiety and complications as a

917
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: twenty year old? But anyway, so you know it was

918
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: like it wasn't the greatest experience we I think, like

919
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: I was only there for a while, and I think

920
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: it was season two, and we obviously came up with

921
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: good ideas and I hooked up a lot of dudes

922
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: that we will go to punk. But what happened is

923
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: they just there was some issue with the contract. Like

924
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: my other brother was an entertainment attorney, had done the

925
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: legal and they accidentally paid us double what they were

926
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: supposed to pay us. So they were like, oh, we

927
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: can't keep you both or you have to split up.

928
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: I have the salary, and the whole thing just became

929
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: so messy. Did They were like, why did you just

930
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: stay home and help us find ye that's what it became,

931
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: because why do you stay home and give you like

932
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: a thousand dollarsand episode and you just lined up people

933
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: for us to pump Because I think at that time,

934
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I like, you know, I was gonna pump Walberg dream body.

935
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: Like I just had always accomplices, you know that were

936
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: like super tight with like famous people, so with celebrities,

937
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: so I was like, all right, I could do that.

938
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: And then literally I think it was like Young Kapoor

939
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: Jewish holiday case you guys don't know any It was

940
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: literally like the evening poor like my dog is just

941
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: like been diagnosed with chancer, Like fine, I'm crazy. And

942
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: this guy pulls me up and he's like, hey, this

943
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: guy fell out. Who do you have that we com punked?

944
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know how, like when,

945
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: and he's like a twenty minutes. I'm like, yeah, probably nobody,

946
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean. And he's like, yeah,

947
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: I need somebody who could do that, so we're gonna

948
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: have to let you go. And I was like, all right, bro,

949
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: which is part and parcel? Why you know, when Doug

950
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: invited me on to the entourage, I was like, yeah,

951
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: you know Doug Jehomie and we've known each other a

952
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: long time. I don't know if I want to work

953
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: with friends again. And when I got past that bullshit

954
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: you know that was in my head about it, you know,

955
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: it turned out to be this amazing experience. In fact,

956
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: like I remember one of the first days we were

957
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: working and we were in this kind of like condemned

958
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: old radio station on La Brea and what is little

959
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: want the Melros, But it was like a huge lot

960
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: and we took it over but the place was like

961
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: fucking condemned and me and Douglas in there working one

962
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: of the first few days, he was like, he was like,

963
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: what do you what do you want need for lunch?

964
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: Should we order? Like it was like something like you know,

965
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: it was Dougs and Eaters of Foodie, so it was

966
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: something like special. You know, I'm not exotic, but it

967
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it was like yet and I

968
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: was like like, basically, you want to want to stakes

969
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: from the palm And I was like what He's like, Bro,

970
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: this isn't pump Bro, You're gonna and I remember that

971
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: Its cool. So, you know, it wasn't the greatest UM

972
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: work environment. It was the greatest experience of my life,

973
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: but it definitely did its job of a putting me

974
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: into a system to work with other people, which was

975
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: really important because I hadn't had before that. And to um,

976
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, it was just another's another rung the humble ladder,

977
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, which you gotta kind of

978
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: like have you know, like it was last and I

979
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: was feeling great full to you know, well, it's a

980
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: good experience and and now we want I gotta ask

981
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: because because you worked on one of the my favorite

982
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: books ever. American Psycho. Yeah, and I saw that you

983
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: co produced that. How was that? Well so American Psycho?

984
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: That that that dates back to like when my career

985
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: was super hot as a director after amongst friends, you know,

986
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: I had um I'd known Brett Ellis in New York

987
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: a little bit less than zero, which is kind of

988
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: interesting type act. But when I was I was actually

989
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: in a fashion program at Parson School Design. I went

990
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: into fashion, which you know, it was hard to get into. Man,

991
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: It's like the most pre design program I think in

992
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: the fucking universe. And I got in there and I

993
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: was like, I went there. I wanted to be like

994
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: Ralph glorent right. I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna make

995
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: denim ship all ship everybody's doing now, all the Amory's

996
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: and fear of God, Like like, I'm a fashion guy,

997
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: so like everything these guys that cats are doing the

998
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: streetwear ship. I wanted to be that guy, like in

999
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: or whatever was. And when I got in there, I

1000
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: quickly discovered that focus is on women's evening where you know,

1001
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: so really it was not really my bag and I

1002
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: wasn't really fitting in just in general on that program

1003
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: but I was. I was reading Less than Zero, the

1004
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: book that Bret Easton Ellis had Britain. And I'm not

1005
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: a huge reader, but if that was super interested in

1006
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: that book for whatever reason, probably because of the cover art,

1007
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. But this girl had come up to

1008
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: me and she goes, oh, my dad's making that as

1009
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: a movie, like my dad producing that. I was like,

1010
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: your dad's producing this and she was like yeah, And

1011
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yo, I want to be a

1012
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: part of it. And she's like, then, what are you

1013
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: doing in fashion? I was like, oh, yeah, that's it's

1014
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: a really good point, you know. So that was just

1015
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: another one of those things. So anyway, like I was

1016
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: a fair Bree eastern Ellis actually gave me a shout

1017
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: out in his book lamb Rama. They came out after

1018
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: American Psychle, but I read American Psychle and I'm like, yo,

1019
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: this is dope. So at the time I was a

1020
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: universal ed. Pressman had the rights to it. It was

1021
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: actually turned out to be at Pressman and a group

1022
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: of other producers that are all awesome, Chris Hanley and

1023
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: like Christian solom and like all these guys that like

1024
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: were amazing. So I went over to Ed's office and

1025
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: talked about the book and my development person at the time.

1026
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: We left there and she goes, that is the worst

1027
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: meeting I've ever seen in my life. Like this is

1028
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: what she said. She had worked like big Hollywood agent,

1029
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: Like that was the worst meeting I've ever seen. Literally

1030
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: five minutes later, they called me and they're like, yo,

1031
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: you got the book when they directed. So what was

1032
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: happening was like I touched on this like I was

1033
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: a little paralyzed, like you know, amongst friends, just fell

1034
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: out me. I hadn't been like I was self taught

1035
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: how to write that script by reading like the handful

1036
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: of scripts that I could find to learn. I I

1037
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: had never taken screenwriting classes. I didn't go to m

1038
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: y U. It was like I really didn't know. Now

1039
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: I'm like looking at this book that was just so

1040
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: stylized that I could see it in a way visually,

1041
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: but I was having a hard time cracking the narrative.

1042
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: So during that process of trying to figure it out,

1043
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna write this other script that

1044
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: my buddy p J Pesh is gonna direct, and PJ

1045
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: is gonna call right on me. And it was called

1046
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Milk Bar. It was about the club scene the eighties

1047
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: in New York, but it was like violent gangsters and

1048
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny, but it was definitely an

1049
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: extension of Amongst Friends. And we started working on that

1050
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: and when we got it done, I was like, Yo,

1051
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: this feels like my life. I have to direct this.

1052
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: So that became like a hot project. There was a

1053
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: bitty more for it, and we wound up into this

1054
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: company that would go with defunct Savoy. But I went

1055
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: to I was like, look, I'm gonna go make this

1056
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: movie like green lighted at twelve million. It's not even

1057
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: cast contingent. I'm like, I'll you come on board as

1058
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: my producer on that. You keep American Psycho for me,

1059
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: and he was like done. But what was happening is

1060
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: we're moving forward with a Milk Bar. American Psycho was

1061
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: like up against like options and things like that money,

1062
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: so they needed to move on. So be you know,

1063
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: wound up becoming like Mary Hair and I believe did it,

1064
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: and you know, they pulled back together and then Milk

1065
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: Bar fell apart because the fucking studio fell apart, So

1066
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: I wound up with no movie. But so that was

1067
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: my bombment. My invombent was tangential at best, but you

1068
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: know when it was also like, hey, you'll be an

1069
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: exact producer on it. But as they needed more and

1070
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: more money, my credits were just like sliding out, you know.

1071
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: But it was funny, man, because like you know, at

1072
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: one point they were trying to like veer off on

1073
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: Mary Hair and Bail, and there was a conversation about

1074
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: like Oliver Stone coming in and doing it with DiCaprio,

1075
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: and it was I'd run into DiCaprio at the club

1076
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: and I'd be, bro, what are you thinking about American Psycho?

1077
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's cool, and

1078
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: then I'm called the whole team the next day. Bed. Look,

1079
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: I spoke to Leo last night, Like you spoke to Leo.

1080
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, we had a long talk about

1081
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: American psychle would be like what he'd say. I'd be like, well,

1082
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: the gist of it is he thinks it's cool conversation.

1083
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: But going back then, I'm probably a twenty eight at

1084
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: the time, sucket just tying to stay involved as best

1085
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: like that. You know, Oh, I can go on for

1086
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: story after story with you. Rob. It's a pleasure, and

1087
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: I love how you're telling them. They're so intriguing, so interesting,

1088
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: everything about it. It's just, uh, I can't imagine how

1089
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: many other stories you can pull out of you because

1090
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: when you say running into fucking Leo's actually seven eleven

1091
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: or something just on Sunsetting Gower just right there. You know.

1092
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: The thing about like films like that is like that

1093
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: could have been interpreted so many different ways, you know

1094
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, you know, the right person,

1095
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, play Patrick Bateman, the right person, the right

1096
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: people wrote it, and the right person directed it. That's

1097
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: how it wound up like that. You know. At one

1098
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: point there was like everybody kept sending to me good

1099
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: Will Hunting, and I'm like, people like, how could you

1100
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: have passed on that? How would you passed on that?

1101
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, listen where my head was at

1102
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: at the time that if I had fucking made Goodwill Hunting,

1103
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: they'd probably be no Matt Damon or you know. But

1104
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: Gus van Zand came in and the script I read

1105
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: the earliest draft. I saw the evolution and how that

1106
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: script all, you know, so it's like, you know, listen,

1107
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think it's a. I think

1108
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: it's bigger for actors in terms of regrets, like when

1109
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: they offered huge things that they don't do, you know,

1110
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: and they got made a mistake. I don't know if

1111
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: it's like that really For writers and directors, a good

1112
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: will Hunting is one of those good ones so that

1113
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: you look at going, you know what, and as long

1114
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: as you direct, you going, I'm okay with passion on

1115
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: it because what they did was good. But that was

1116
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: a damn good movie. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's

1117
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: like the right the right people, make it right, people

1118
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: get the parts. You know, it's just and to be

1119
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: it's meant to be. Yeah, that's just the business man.

1120
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: You know. What we could do is just keep trying

1121
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: to generate and you know, and evolved and that's it,

1122
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: and finding the right projects where we look forward to

1123
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: seeing all the new projects that you come out with,

1124
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: Rob and it's now time for the high five. Yeah,

1125
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: thank you, no doubt. Bro. The question number one, how

1126
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: old you the first time you smoked cannabis? And where'd

1127
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: you get it from? I know you kind of said

1128
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: that one story, but it was fifty I was fifty one,

1129
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: I was and I got it outside of a rush

1130
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: Ponds noted garden. The first time I smoked pot, I

1131
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: would like to tell you the first time I was drinking. Man,

1132
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: it's so much easier to say I was sipping Mickey's

1133
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: big gulps in Baldwin in the locker room before fucking

1134
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: gym class with my cronies, with the dirty sock smell.

1135
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: The first time, I really, I think, like I went

1136
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: to Brooklyn, like to visit a friend when I was

1137
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: in high school. The first time I really he got stoned,

1138
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: and like we were drinking, yeah, because it was a

1139
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: valuable leting. We were drinking a lot, and then I

1140
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: smoked the joint and then I learned that the two

1141
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: don't really mix that well a little bit, and I think, like,

1142
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: I think I passed out. I was couching, threw up

1143
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 1: on the carpet is and his parents house. That sounds

1144
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: like a Tuesday night at Craig's house to me, like

1145
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: carpet bag for two weeks. Funny question number two, the

1146
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: high five. When you do partake, what's your favorite way

1147
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: of doing it? Uh? I mean again, you know, like

1148
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: I smoked so rarely, but like I've just been smoking

1149
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: this like hybrid joint. You know, they take a couple

1150
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: of heads, like if I'm feeling good, take a couple

1151
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,959
Speaker 1: more hits and perfect feeling better, I take a more

1152
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: started dancing, but tough because you know what it is,

1153
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: It's like like I'm like control free. First of all,

1154
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm like like a homeopathic junkie. So reading with me

1155
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: is like health health health right now. But it's just

1156
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: like I don't want to get to a plain. I

1157
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: don't know that my brain is like okay, going to

1158
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: a place where I'm just like out there. We'll see,

1159
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, you guys gotta check

1160
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: back in. Will be in a year. You know, it

1161
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: sounds like up tolerance they told you tolerant to because

1162
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: it was literally like I would take a couple of

1163
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: hits off that hybrid of the pre roll, and then

1164
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: I think, by like the fifth or six time I'm smoking,

1165
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: I think I pretty much smoked the whole thing. So

1166
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: you right, I am. I'm working my way out, man,

1167
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: and it's whatever works. Question number question number three of

1168
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: the High Five with Rob Wisse, producer, director, writer, great storyteller,

1169
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: friend of the show, Amazing Dancer, Craziest place. I mean,

1170
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm not in a ballroom, but I can move a

1171
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: little bit. Craziest place you've ever used or smoked cannabis,

1172
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: craziest place. Yeah, there's there's not gonna be any crazy

1173
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: place for that, dude. I'm so insulated, Like I'm well,

1174
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I gotta pick out the closet I'm

1175
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: gonna be in before I smoke. Ifs um, yeah, I

1176
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: mean the Junior High locker room sounds pretty crazy good.

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm just a fucking lying bro bro. I was fucking

1178
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: I was on the top of the Empire State Building, man,

1179
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: I thought I was in the bottom, and I just

1180
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: write the story. It was the Eiffel Tower, you know,

1181
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: proposed to myself. That's how the fucking higher I was. Alright,

1182
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: question number four of the high five, what is your

1183
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: go to Munchi's after you get high, after I get high.

1184
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: That's that's the worst part of it, man. If if

1185
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: you know that to me, is like one of the

1186
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: main reasons I don't even smoke, man, because like I

1187
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: just don't like want to wake up with that fucking guilt.

1188
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'm nothing if not vain, you know what

1189
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: I mean. Like, I mean, I'll use any excuse to

1190
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: like murder some gummy bears, you know, with the sugar.

1191
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't know without the sugar, oh, with the sea

1192
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: the way I'll get like the healthy air one ones.

1193
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'll buy the expensive ones to make myself

1194
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: feel like they're better exactly my peaky And how are

1195
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: eating with my peaky up? Just whole food? And I'm

1196
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: a little high question number five with the high five

1197
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: with Rob if you could smoke cannabis with anyone dad

1198
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: are alive, who would it be? And why? Oh? I

1199
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: like that he put his hat out for that one.

1200
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: Did you guys send these questions? Of course? Yeah, you

1201
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: can get a little previ you know, I'm a fucking idiot.

1202
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: My brother series like, oh, there's some questions. I'm like

1203
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: the top of your head, like I fuck Jesus, I

1204
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: don't Jesus. Jesus. Jesus would be a good one people,

1205
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: if Jesus be dope, you know what I mean? Like

1206
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: somebody historical for sure, you know Gipson, I don't know

1207
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: he's played stuff. I should actually think of the person

1208
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: who is round the fucking tightest here's probably never smoke weed,

1209
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: just to see how fucking crazy they would be, But

1210
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, for Keith Richards, I have an idea, like,

1211
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, fucking guys I grew up idolizing. For me,

1212
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: the only people I really trip out on the people

1213
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: I like grew up like, you know, idolized. So capturing

1214
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: the neighborhood in New York. Yeah, but no, it's just

1215
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: like you know, he's there's some movie you watched when

1216
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: you were like fifteen that like stayed with you forever.

1217
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: That guy might have only made one movie, but you

1218
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: see him and you just bug the funk out. You know,

1219
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: if you look at the sixteen Candles and that cast

1220
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: of sixteen candles or something like, wait a minute, that

1221
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: guy was fucking great. Yeah that's funny. Man. Molly Ringwald

1222
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: lived near me up here for a while. Man, it

1223
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: was it was kind of funny. You know. Yes, Breakfast Club,

1224
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: all that ship. Those are iconic movies or as you

1225
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: said that growing up, because I'm around were around the

1226
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: same age and I look back at those type of

1227
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: movies as well. You go, funk, that person would be

1228
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: awesome to kick it with, hang out with smoke with,

1229
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: just to have a beer with whatever you're like. That

1230
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: would be a great time. Rob. Before we get out

1231
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: of here, is there anything else you wanna tell to

1232
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: the world out there about yourself and promote anything good? No,

1233
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, I might jump into the arena like you

1234
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: guys like what I'm talking about doing a pod with

1235
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: like podcast NG we got we got room up here,

1236
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: yeah in there. I'm just like, you need a guy

1237
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: on the path, but it doesn't know about cannabis. If

1238
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: you want to, I'm like, you know, I'm I'm the

1239
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: working progress. So I think we can make up the

1240
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: decision real quickly and if you need an introduction, we

1241
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 1: can introduce should I Heart. You know, we're the first

1242
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: cannabis show to be signed with I Heart, So if

1243
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: you're interested in doing something, let's know, like we're talking

1244
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: with podcasts one with normal over that. So you know,

1245
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to you know, well, if you want

1246
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 1: some other outlets, I'll get you in contact with Will

1247
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: Will Pearson, who's the head of the podcast department here

1248
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 1: at iHeart, I can connect with man. Awesome, I love it. Yeah,

1249
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, just like I'm like everybody else right now,

1250
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: trying to be diversified and fucking well the stories you

1251
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: tell would be awesome. For you to do a podcast

1252
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: is a no brainer because all you gotta do is

1253
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: pick a subject a day and go and tell the story.

1254
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you could go literally episode by episode of Entourage,

1255
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: because they're doing that with there's a big show with

1256
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: friends or not friends? What is it um Parks and

1257
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: Recreation not Parks and Recto. I guessed it on it

1258
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: and talked about an episode with the fantastic Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: it's funny because you can literally just talk through every

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Speaker 1: single episode of Entourage to say thank you they have.

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Speaker 1: I was a guest on that. Also when it crushes you,

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Speaker 1: guys should check it out. It's called Victory the podcast tell.

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Speaker 1: It's Kevin Della, Doug and Connolly and I went on

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Speaker 1: and talk one time. I mean, I think I'm more

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Speaker 1: into I want to try to find like a new

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Speaker 1: angle into mind, body, spirit, the things that interesting, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, and talking with the experts in

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Speaker 1: the field, we're putting it through my filter, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, So so that we could have always

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Speaker 1: conversations about the shows in Hollywood, but frame it and

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Speaker 1: something that I think has like value on some level,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I'm probably this leading myself into believe

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Speaker 1: it. It It will have that, but fuck it. You know, well,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for podcast is coming to Well, there

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Speaker 1: it is, guys, it's Cannabis Talk one on one. We

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Speaker 1: want to thank you Rob for being on the show Man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Guys with a lot of funk,

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Speaker 1: I remember this if no one else loves yet, were you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Cannabis Talk one on one

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Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. M hm.