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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get

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Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you.

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Speaker 2: Today. I'm joined by Buck Sexton. You know him.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the co hosts of The Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. He's also a former CIA analyst,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to lean on that experience for today's show.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about President Trump's bold leadership history

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Speaker 1: being made peace in the Middle East. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you saw that New York Post cover, but it

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Speaker 1: reads Leader of the Free World.

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Speaker 2: What a difference a president makes. All we needed was

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Speaker 2: a different president.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about Hamasa's brutal executions of

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Speaker 1: gosins hours after the ceasefire. Where are the ceasefire crowd?

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Speaker 1: You know, where are from the river to the sea crowd?

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Speaker 1: Where are the people concerned about the plight of the

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Speaker 1: Gosens of the Palestinians. They seem pretty silent right now,

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Speaker 1: So what's.

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Speaker 2: That all about?

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Speaker 1: Also, what impact does this piece in the Middle East

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Speaker 1: and this big bold move from President Trump, what impact

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Speaker 1: does it have on the rest of the world. Will

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Speaker 1: he be able to solve the Ukraine show war? We'll

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Speaker 1: China be afraid to try to take Taiwan? What does

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Speaker 1: this mean more broadly? So stay tuned for all of

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Speaker 1: that and more with my friend Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Well, buck Sexton, it's great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Lisa, as always appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Bob, President Trump went from flipping French fries

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Speaker 1: at McDonald's to negotiating world peaces.

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Speaker 2: Quite the career work for someone.

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Speaker 1: If you ask me, the American dream is still a

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Speaker 1: wife and well.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you know, it's funny, Lisa, because I spent

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Speaker 4: a fair amount of time around diplomats and ambassadors back

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Speaker 4: when I worked in the government. And it's funny because

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Speaker 4: there's this idea that you have to have done that

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Speaker 4: for a long time to be able to do that right.

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Speaker 4: It's like, if you haven't done it before, there's no way,

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Speaker 4: there's no way that you could actually do it in

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Speaker 4: an effective way. And that's clearly not the case.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I think that, if anything, what Trump has

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Speaker 4: shown is that if you have the instincts of a negotiator,

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Speaker 4: you're far better at this kind of negotiation than somebody

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Speaker 4: who's been really producing process for their entire career, which

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Speaker 4: is what most state department employees do. So yeah, it

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Speaker 4: makes perfect sense to me.

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Speaker 1: And that's a really good point too, because you also

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Speaker 1: have you know, Jared Kushner and see what cooff have

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Speaker 1: also been criticized for. They don't know what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: you know, they aren't up for the job, they don't

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Speaker 1: have the experience. And then to your point, they helped

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Speaker 1: President Trump, you know, deliver history. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the biggest testament Lisa, to just

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Speaker 4: what a success this whole thing is with Trump is

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Speaker 4: that some of his I'm sure you've seen this right

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Speaker 4: in the last twenty four hours or so, some of

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Speaker 4: his bitterest or most bitter bitter is a word. Most

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Speaker 4: bitter critics in the media have had to say things like,

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Speaker 4: I may not like what he did on X, Y

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Speaker 4: or Z, but I have to say this Mid East

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Speaker 4: piece thing and getting the hostages back is pretty good, right.

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Speaker 4: And these are people who you know, would just spit

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Speaker 4: out their coffee before they would say anything on a

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Speaker 4: morning show or on their evening shows about how great

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is on anything.

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Speaker 3: So what further proof could you need? Then? People suffering

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Speaker 3: from trumped arrangement syndrome.

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Speaker 4: This has actually broken through and they've had to say, yeah,

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Speaker 4: on this, he got a pretty sweet deal, done well,

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Speaker 4: well worth it, and that's I think a testament to

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Speaker 4: how effective he's been well.

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Speaker 2: And to that point.

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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the cover of the New

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Speaker 1: York Post today and it reads Leader of the Free

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Speaker 1: World praising President Trump for negotiating peace and getting the

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Speaker 1: hostages released. I mean, like during the you know, four

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Speaker 1: Talk about sort of that shift on the global stage

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I don't say this to be glib, although

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Speaker 4: I think it will sound that way, Lisa, but I

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Speaker 4: think it's completely fair to say the powers of the

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Speaker 4: presidency are extremely formidable in the right hands, and when

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Speaker 4: you have somebody who is essentially an absentee president, the

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Speaker 4: nation suffers, and in this case, referring to Joe Biden,

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Speaker 4: the guy had cognitive like cognitive decline, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, dementia.

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Speaker 4: We all know that this has been something that was

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Speaker 4: think about it, you know, take away all the Democrat

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Speaker 3: Yeah, having a guy running the free world.

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Speaker 4: Or as leader of the free world, running this country,

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Speaker 4: who has all of his faculties and is a tremendously

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Speaker 4: forceful personality with a vision of what he's trying to accomplish,

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Speaker 4: and a competitive guy as well, And I mean that

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Speaker 4: are all the best ways, Like, you should be a

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Speaker 4: competitive person if you're going to be in that kind

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Speaker 4: of executive role of president, meaning that you know, you

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Speaker 4: want to be known as a great president. You want

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Speaker 4: to be known as a guy who did better even

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Speaker 4: than his predecessors.

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Speaker 3: Like I think that's healthy.

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Speaker 4: And to compare that to Joe Biden, who was barely

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Speaker 4: present cognitively and physically, I mean, the guy was at

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Speaker 4: Delaware like every other weekend, and we all know why.

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Speaker 4: Of course, America is in a better position now of

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Speaker 4: Visa VI these countries all over the world. But it's funny,

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Speaker 4: isn't it, Because on foreign policy, Lisa, and on global standing,

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Speaker 4: those are places where the so called intelligentsia and like

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Speaker 4: the legacy media would have said that Donald Trump would

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Speaker 4: be the weakest and they claimed that he was going

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Speaker 4: ability to adapt to the situation and to get results

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Speaker 4: that even, like I said, the most bitter of his

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Speaker 4: heck he's doing when it comes to high stakes negotiation

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Speaker 2: But why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: Is it just being an outsider or just you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's skill set, truly. I think

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Speaker 4: that it's understanding leverage, it's understanding pain points and what

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Speaker 4: it is like you know, this is if you sat

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Speaker 4: you would see in someone like a President Trump if

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Speaker 4: you look at the way that in say the School

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Speaker 3: Georgetown, or SEISS, which is the JOHNS.

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Speaker 4: Hopkins equivalent at the School of Evans International Studies, or SIPA,

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Speaker 4: which is the School of International Public.

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Speaker 4: By the way, these are where a lot of my

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Speaker 3: There. They take a much.

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Speaker 4: More internationalist and consensus based opinion, Lisa, and consensus isn't

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Speaker 4: good in negotiation, right, It really turns into a who

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Speaker 4: is the decider and what are they trying to get

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Speaker 4: and what are they willing to give? And how do

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Speaker 4: they use both carrots and sticks in that process. Trump

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Speaker 4: maybe in things like corporate law or I don't think

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Speaker 4: I don't think that they have the time over target,

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Speaker 4: What kind of a person are they in this negotiation?

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Speaker 4: What do they want? You know, these are instincts, I

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Speaker 4: think as much as their experiences for a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump is such a Yeah, he's an outsider, as

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Speaker 4: you said, and that means he doesn't come with all

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Speaker 4: this baggage. But the baggage is of that consensus school

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Speaker 4: that clearly has failed a lot, and Trump has won

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Speaker 4: a lot. And that's a different And that's the difference

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Speaker 3: I know barbes uh. I mean, I like watch her.

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Speaker 3: I don't know her, but you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm sure you've seen that clip where she was

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Speaker 1: talking about how he's the best negotiator, She's ever seen,

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Speaker 1: and she kind of like walks through why but you know,

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Speaker 4: Or oh man, there's so many There are so many

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Speaker 4: answers that are I think all valid to that question, Lisa.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a broad sweep of things that first

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Speaker 4: of all, as you know, he's he's a trader to

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Speaker 4: a New York guy. He's really rich. He should at

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Speaker 4: what do people say, Well, you know, you wouldn't feel

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Speaker 1: the other side. You know, there's been reports in video

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Speaker 4: So yeah, what you saw with the Hamas executions is

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Speaker 4: Anytime, Lisa, Thanks for having me those Bucks Sexton.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 2: You can listen throughout the week.

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