WEBVTT - Chapter 16: The Howler

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<v Speaker 2>How did you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'll explain everything, but you need to come with me.

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<v Speaker 3>This part of the swamp isn't protected.

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<v Speaker 4>Why don't you put down that knife first?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>There, Thomas, you're looking surprisingly well and this wasn't for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Was for that?

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<v Speaker 4>Are we going to a gathering meeting?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would you think that?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know the symbol you carved those in the

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<v Speaker 4>trees when you want to meet, don't you?

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<v Speaker 3>That's one purpose for them, But that's not the primary one.

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<v Speaker 4>So what is the primary one?

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<v Speaker 3>Come on, we'll talk as we go.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Hey, how did you know Thomas's name?

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<v Speaker 3>I know who all of you are, Thomas, especially why

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<v Speaker 3>the Houdini active pulled there?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure if you were impressed or annoy.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I be both? Aren't you going to ask me

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<v Speaker 3>who I am?

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<v Speaker 4>We know who you are. You're a gathering leader from Virginia.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I guess we all have reputations preceding us. Then

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<v Speaker 3>I assume you know why I'm here?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, why don't you tell us, all right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah, where are you taking us?

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<v Speaker 3>It's not so much about the destination as it is

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<v Speaker 3>about getting on a bus. What I haven't had a

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<v Speaker 3>chance to cover the whole swamp yet, and the bus

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<v Speaker 3>stop was closer than the areas I have secured. The

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<v Speaker 3>bus will be safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Iron rank the favor of help. Iron buses are steeled,

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<v Speaker 4>which is an iron alloy.

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<v Speaker 3>M The next bus should be here in three minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>We can talk freely on it.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you mean you haven't covered the whole swamp yet.

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<v Speaker 3>The ruin I carved it wasn't for community cation. It

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<v Speaker 3>was for protection.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why that bigfoot creature vanished.

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<v Speaker 3>H can't come past the boundaries of the rooms.

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<v Speaker 7>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I can keep it out of areas, but I can't

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<v Speaker 3>keep it in. So be careful if you choose to

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<v Speaker 3>come back.

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<v Speaker 6>So you're saying it's not gone for good.

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<v Speaker 3>No, just vanish to the other side for now. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why I'm here. A lot of things are not where

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<v Speaker 3>they should be.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've figured that out.

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<v Speaker 8>On our own.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that also mean you figured out what's causing it?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, we know that something is off balance.

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<v Speaker 3>You think things are not just off balance, Jeremy. They

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<v Speaker 3>are broken.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of you.

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<v Speaker 5>Me.

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<v Speaker 4>What did I do? I was trapped for forty years?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. You should never have come back out.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you mean he shouldn't have come back.

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<v Speaker 3>Thomas was in there for a reason and he should

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<v Speaker 3>have stayed there.

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<v Speaker 4>How dare you say that?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, hey, listen, don't be mad at me. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>the messenger.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, and who exactly is the source.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this message the other side?

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<v Speaker 9>Oh cool, So you've got like a buddy over there

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<v Speaker 9>or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to come here and mess up your life, Jeremy, No.

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<v Speaker 4>You're just coming to murder my father.

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<v Speaker 10>Again.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't me, That wasn't any member of the gathering,

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<v Speaker 3>or even a member back then.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh sure there was an offshoot. Yeah, we've heard that

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<v Speaker 6>all before. Then.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm right. You have no reason to take

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<v Speaker 3>your anger out on me.

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<v Speaker 11>Given that I'm the only one here who's actually the

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<v Speaker 11>victim of an attempted murder.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I could be angry at whoever I want.

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<v Speaker 3>That's fair, And I know this doesn't mean anything to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't even alive when you were pushed into the

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<v Speaker 3>liminal but I am sorry for what happened to you.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't right not to mention it didn't even work.

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<v Speaker 3>The liminal mm hmm, that's what we call it. Where

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<v Speaker 3>Thomas was and your solution.

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<v Speaker 4>Is just a thrown back again.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know exactly what you're dealing with here?

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<v Speaker 6>We have some idea, yeah, then.

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<v Speaker 3>You know who's on the other side, what that place is.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you have a bunch of half baked theories but

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<v Speaker 3>not enough solid proof to connect all the dots.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, we've been thinking maybe it's the Fay realm okay,

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<v Speaker 12>and considering the way you reacted to my iron assumption.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, so you're not totally clueless.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is what's doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>The Fay Court, the Hidden People, the Secret Commonwealth, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you want to call it, non human beings who reign

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<v Speaker 3>over a kingdom that lays just beyond a liminal space,

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<v Speaker 3>who could destroy all of us with ease if they

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<v Speaker 3>so chose.

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<v Speaker 12>If that were true, wouldn't they have done it by now?

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<v Speaker 12>I mean it certainly feels like they've been trying at

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<v Speaker 12>least here.

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<v Speaker 3>They made a deal centuries ago. What do you We

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<v Speaker 3>don't bother them, They don't bother us. Everybody stays happy

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<v Speaker 3>and ignorant.

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<v Speaker 4>And we have to give them something like a human life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's different for each doorway here, Virginia, Muda, Mattlock, the

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<v Speaker 3>Dragon's triangle places where the veil between worlds is thinnest,

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<v Speaker 3>where the other side is accessible. There has to be

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<v Speaker 3>something between here and there, hence the liminal where you

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<v Speaker 3>were trapped with someone else. I'm assuming how did you

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<v Speaker 3>know that it's similar in Virginia. Well, the need for

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<v Speaker 3>two souls is at least two souls, one that has

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<v Speaker 3>to be new every forty years. That's my understanding of

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<v Speaker 3>how Bridgewater works.

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<v Speaker 12>And he wasn't willing, so so things have been hinky

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<v Speaker 12>here for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's not a deal breaker for the Fay realm,

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<v Speaker 3>the willingness bit, but having two residents of the liminal

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<v Speaker 3>that's non negotiable. It keeps things nice and closed.

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<v Speaker 4>So without me, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Gates are wide open for anyone to waltz into the

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<v Speaker 3>kingdom or out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so how do we close it?

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<v Speaker 3>We follow the terms of the deal.

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<v Speaker 11>Even if I went back in Alden wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 11>to come out, or we'd be stuck with the same problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I take it Alden as the other person in there. No,

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<v Speaker 3>they wouldn't be able to come out either.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, well that's a mood point. Because you are not

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<v Speaker 12>going back in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone has to or people are going to die.

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<v Speaker 4>Whoa, whoa. We do not know that you think.

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<v Speaker 3>You would have been able to defend yourselves against that beast.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not your storybook, sasquash Jeremy. We've got similar creatures

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<v Speaker 3>in the South, bear like things that can stand on

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<v Speaker 3>two legs, take down trees. There's the Faky monster, the

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<v Speaker 3>Ozak Howler.

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<v Speaker 12>And wait wait, the faky monster that's Arkansas, right, and

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<v Speaker 12>it kills livestock.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, then, maybe what we just saw is the thing

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<v Speaker 6>that killed the cows.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly my point. These monsters are not gonna stop

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<v Speaker 3>at a visceray and cows, which is why we need

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<v Speaker 3>to fix this.

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<v Speaker 11>Doesn't have to be me though, right, Whatever deal exists

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<v Speaker 11>doesn't stipulate a specific person.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it doesn't have to be you. But to be

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<v Speaker 3>really honest, I don't know who else would willingly go

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<v Speaker 3>in there.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would we trust her on this?

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<v Speaker 13>Why would we trust you on this? We don't even

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<v Speaker 13>know you. And the gathering hasn't exactly been.

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<v Speaker 3>Good to us. I have no reason to lie to you.

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<v Speaker 13>Even if you are telling the truth, that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 13>that there's not something else we can do. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 13>got rid of that beast, the howler thing, whatever, just

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<v Speaker 13>very easily. You just teach us how to do that,

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<v Speaker 13>and we can take care of this area.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't work like that. I told you I can

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<v Speaker 3>keep things out by creating a protective boundary, but I

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<v Speaker 3>can't keep anything in. They'd be free to rome elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Can we kill them?

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<v Speaker 12>They are flesh and blood, presumably right, so we figure

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<v Speaker 12>out how we can take them down.

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<v Speaker 3>The monsters coming from the other side are not your

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<v Speaker 3>biggest problem.

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<v Speaker 9>I'd say they're pretty urgent concern.

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<v Speaker 3>If the terms of the deal aren't honored, the Fae

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<v Speaker 3>Realm won't stick to its side of the veil.

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<v Speaker 9>Mean what, we're gonna send more monsters through?

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<v Speaker 4>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>They won't have to The boundary will collapse, the two

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<v Speaker 3>worlds bleeding into one another, causing problems we can't even imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>The deal must be honored.

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<v Speaker 9>It sounds like we need to renegotiate this deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend what we're dealing

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<v Speaker 3>with here, Jeremy. This is old magic. It's not something

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<v Speaker 3>that can be altered or undone. It's like gravity. We

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<v Speaker 3>have to bend to it.

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<v Speaker 4>Humans have found plenty of ways to defy gravity.

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<v Speaker 3>But we always have to come back down always.

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<v Speaker 4>And do you want to chime in here?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Dad, I think she's right. We may not have a choice, esays,

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<v Speaker 4>what is happening here.

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<v Speaker 13>We met her five minutes ago, and you're just taking

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<v Speaker 13>everything she says at face value.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying that we should just give up, but

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<v Speaker 4>thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>No, Jeremy's right, we don't have any reason to trust you.

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<v Speaker 6>Your predecessor was slippery at best and manipulative at worst.

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<v Speaker 6>I've known her a lot longer. So until you have

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<v Speaker 6>proof of what you're saying, and I'm not even sure

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<v Speaker 6>what that proof would look like, we're going to keep

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<v Speaker 6>doing what we've been doing and figure things out the old.

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<v Speaker 3>Fashioned way, grasping for straws in the darkness.

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<v Speaker 4>Investigate.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, Fine, I can't force any of you

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<v Speaker 3>to do anything. We don't know how disastrous that is,

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<v Speaker 3>So go ahead, do your own investigating, but do it

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<v Speaker 3>quickly and when you finally figure out that I'm telling

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<v Speaker 3>the truth, come and find me, all right?

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<v Speaker 14>All right?

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<v Speaker 6>So have you moved into Celeste house too? Huh? Stepped

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<v Speaker 6>into her whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not her permanent replacement. Besides, I wanted to keep

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<v Speaker 3>an eye on things, so I'm staying in Freetown Forest.

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<v Speaker 3>That safe, I'm protected, all right. Listen, follow the ruins

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<v Speaker 3>from the East Hiking Path and you will find me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we're gonna need to, but thanks.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember, don't take too long.

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<v Speaker 12>Hey, it's Jeremy, Jeremy Bradshaw, the cool Professor.

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<v Speaker 9>Hi.

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<v Speaker 12>I know it's only been a few days and I

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<v Speaker 12>don't have any really important sightings to tell you about,

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<v Speaker 12>although I do actually want to tell you about the

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<v Speaker 12>Bigfoot situation at some point, but that's not why call.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm calling because a woman named Peyton Blake showed up

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<v Speaker 12>up here. She's a gathering leader from Virginia, and I

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<v Speaker 12>basically just wanted to know if you think she's someone

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<v Speaker 12>I can trust or.

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<v Speaker 4>Not, if you have any inpo on her. Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 4>know that's a bit weird, but.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, anything that you could tell me would be helpful,

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<v Speaker 12>or anything any of the other legend trippers might know

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<v Speaker 12>anything anyone knows would would be helpful, So you can

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<v Speaker 12>just you know, text me back or call me back

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<v Speaker 12>or whatever, any any mode of communication. And yeah, that's it, Okay,

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<v Speaker 12>thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked about whatever later, dork. Hey, who was that?

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<v Speaker 12>Oh that was that legend tripper that I met? I

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<v Speaker 12>was just curious if she had any information about that

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<v Speaker 12>about Peyton.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that was an interesting text to get yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, you know, I just thought that I should loop

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<v Speaker 12>you and Olivia in on the newest, weirdest developments.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're okay, you know, after nearly getting ripped apart

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<v Speaker 2>by us Sasqua.

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<v Speaker 4>I think so.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, but I've decided to call it a hackamack howler.

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<v Speaker 4>Because it sounds more academic.

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<v Speaker 9>I am really not looking forward to lecturing.

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<v Speaker 12>Today, but I'm not sure what to do, because apparently

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<v Speaker 12>life doesn't stop just because evil fairies are trying to

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<v Speaker 12>kill your dad.

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<v Speaker 4>Feels like a reason to take a sick day, though.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>Unfortunately, I think if I take any more of those,

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<v Speaker 12>I'm going to lose the health insurance it helps me

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<v Speaker 12>after these monster attacks.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. Do you want to do?

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<v Speaker 8>You want to help me go over the topics for today.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so fucked.

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<v Speaker 6>Eloquent as always lived.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I don't know what else I'm supposed to say.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, if even half of what Peyton told you

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<v Speaker 14>was real, then well, first of all, I'm moving the

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<v Speaker 14>moment I graduate.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, don't joke about that.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm not joking. It's one thing to grow up hearing

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<v Speaker 14>stories about pug Wedges and windogows, but now there's a

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<v Speaker 14>whole other dimension that's one badly executed ritual away from

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<v Speaker 14>collapsing into our world and unleashing all sorts of hell, no,

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<v Speaker 14>thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>That is not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, we are going to figure out how to stop

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<v Speaker 11>all of this for good.

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<v Speaker 2>How new, Grandpa.

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<v Speaker 14>We're talking about some seriously ancient forces here, and we

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<v Speaker 14>can't be the only people who've wanted to fight back

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<v Speaker 14>against them before. I mean, what if the deal that's

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<v Speaker 14>been made is the best possible version of a win.

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<v Speaker 6>We're not gonna think like that. Okay, We're gonna figure

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<v Speaker 6>out what the fey realm wants, what they can do,

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<v Speaker 6>and how they can be beat.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh sure, yes, super easy stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>Well I didn't say it was gonna be easy, but

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<v Speaker 6>we don't have any other choice.

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<v Speaker 14>All right, what do you need me to do?

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<v Speaker 6>You still want to help with all this?

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<v Speaker 14>Do I want to prevent the evil fairy apocalypse?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be nice.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 6>I prefer you stayed inside as much as possible, because

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<v Speaker 6>I don't like how close that dog got to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you and me both?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What needs doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Ah?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, let's see. Jeremy's chasing down some information on the

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<v Speaker 6>fay realm. Vivian's working on some kind of map. I

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<v Speaker 6>have no idea.

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<v Speaker 14>He's using all the different reported sightings to try and

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<v Speaker 14>track creature's movements.

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<v Speaker 6>Fantastic, And I'm gonna go and see if Doc Edward's

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<v Speaker 6>got any think from his lab examination of the cow.

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<v Speaker 4>So I could use a hand.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, I think we need to find out more about

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<v Speaker 11>what happened to Olden.

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<v Speaker 14>Oh yeah, sure, I can help you with that.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, all right, well, I'll be back in a bit.

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<v Speaker 6>Call me if the house starts to shake again.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh haha, wait, what do you mean again? H what

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<v Speaker 2>happened now?

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<v Speaker 6>I'll explain later. I'm sure he'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Nanna, we'll be fine, Olivia.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, the more you both say that less I think.

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<v Speaker 9>You believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what else to say. I have to

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<v Speaker 4>believe it will all be okay.

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<v Speaker 14>Right, right, of course, I'm sure it will be. And

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<v Speaker 14>I'm surprised you didn't want to help Jeremy with his research.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm sure he'd love to spend more.

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<v Speaker 5>Time with you.

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<v Speaker 11>It wasn't really something I could help with. He had

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<v Speaker 11>to go to work anyway, and he's calling up an

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<v Speaker 11>old friend from Oxford. Did you know that he studied.

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<v Speaker 4>There for a semester. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean I didn't really know him all that well,

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<v Speaker 14>we only met, like just got a few weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Right of course, you two didn't even know each other existed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you feel Anne? Did you forget mom? Shelly?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd take it Anne's out.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, yes, you just missed her, but I'm sure she'd

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<v Speaker 11>be right back. We could call her on her cellular phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, probably better. She's not here. Okay, hey, live,

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<v Speaker 2>would you mind giving us a minute?

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<v Speaker 14>Oh yeah, sure, I'll just take my laptop to the

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<v Speaker 14>guest room and start doing that research.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I would say that I'm sorry for just

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<v Speaker 2>dropping by unexpectedly, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess I take the price for that. Huh.

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<v Speaker 11>Olivia told me she explained everything to you, or tried

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<v Speaker 11>to at least, but that she needed some time. I

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<v Speaker 11>would have come to see you if I know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fine to be honest, I still need time. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was driving to work and was about to pass

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<v Speaker 2>the turn to my mom's house, and before I knew it,

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<v Speaker 2>I was driving over here. And I wasn't even planning

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<v Speaker 2>on coming in until I saw my mom's carpool away.

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<v Speaker 4>I know she really wants to talk to you. Do

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<v Speaker 4>you want to sit or I can make you some coffee?

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<v Speaker 4>I barely understand. And the machine it's got these weird

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<v Speaker 4>plastic pods.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm sure I don't know how long I can stay. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>You've really just been gone for forty years and just

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<v Speaker 2>blinked out of and back into existence.

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<v Speaker 4>Not exactly, I was somewhere all this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, Yes, it was some magical in between voice.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds crazy, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I don't think that you do. You don't even

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<v Speaker 2>look old enough to be the father to a teenager,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone, you know.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I know freak me out too, that you're really yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>I'm really your dad and you have to know, Shelley,

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<v Speaker 10>I never wanted to leave you or Jeremy and and I.

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<v Speaker 4>We had a plan. We were going to be a family.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you got sucked into some other dementia.

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<v Speaker 11>I know it sounds about as believable as I'm going

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<v Speaker 11>out for cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, at least it's not cliche.

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<v Speaker 4>At least there's that, Shelley, why are you here?

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<v Speaker 8>Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>It was Olivia researching, by the way. When she left

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, she said, something happened.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh, we met someone who knows a lot more than

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<v Speaker 11>we do.

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<v Speaker 4>And well, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Situation is, it's it's complicated.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a boy with me in that other place.

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<v Speaker 4>It was also trapped in Olivia.

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<v Speaker 11>She's helping me to try to find out more about

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<v Speaker 11>him so that maybe we can help him.

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<v Speaker 2>Is another.

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<v Speaker 11>A boy from a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So this thing, whatever it is, it does take children.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, I don't know if that's the preferred sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 2>What sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 11>There's some sort of balance sheet. That other place needs

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<v Speaker 11>two people at all times. I ended up there by mistake.

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<v Speaker 11>I think I think maybe it wanted Jeremy back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my mom did mention something about him. Going missing one.

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<v Speaker 11>We got him back, just like you got your boy back.

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<v Speaker 11>He's not in danger anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll forgive me if I don't take you at your

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<v Speaker 2>word that I'm keeping him at his grandparents for the

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<v Speaker 2>foreseeable future, his other grandparents.

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<v Speaker 11>I'd like to meet him someday, if that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, I mean, at least not. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly have no idea. What's okay?

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<v Speaker 3>You know I don't know you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know no, I mean, I don't even have stories

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<v Speaker 2>about you. Mom did not tell me anything. She never

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<v Speaker 2>talked about you.

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<v Speaker 4>I never would have told her to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Anne Becker does whatever it is she wants, and

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason, she didn't want me to know that

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<v Speaker 2>you were my dad.

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<v Speaker 4>I still am.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't just get to claim that you've been gone

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<v Speaker 2>forty years and we never I mean, we never met,

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<v Speaker 2>and you've never been a father to me.

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<v Speaker 4>You're right, but I.

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<v Speaker 11>I thought about you every single day. I understand that

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<v Speaker 11>you're angry, I do, and confused and frustrated.

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<v Speaker 4>I am too.

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<v Speaker 11>I was just figuring out how to be a dad,

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<v Speaker 11>and then I was ripped away from it, from the

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<v Speaker 11>chance to watch Jeremy grow up, the chance to meet you,

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<v Speaker 11>But that doesn't mean being a father was ripped out

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<v Speaker 11>of me. Because there was Alden, that other kid. She

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<v Speaker 11>needed me, and I did figure it out for him.

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<v Speaker 11>So in the times when I let myself imagine what

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<v Speaker 11>it would be like to come back, I actually felt prepared.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean proud of who I'd become, the kind of

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<v Speaker 11>father I was turning into. So to come back and

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<v Speaker 11>find that my son has well passed the point of

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<v Speaker 11>meeting a parent and my daughter doesn't want any kind

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<v Speaker 11>of father at all, I feel untethered.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm sure Jeremy is thrilled to have you back.

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<v Speaker 2>He remembers you growing up. You could tell he lost you.

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<v Speaker 2>He was carrying that hole with him everywhere, and.

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<v Speaker 4>It seems like he turned into a good man in

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<v Speaker 4>spite of it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm still getting to know him, but he seems smart,

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<v Speaker 11>protective of the people in his life.

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<v Speaker 4>Like me. I'm feeling a bit like a fifth wheel,

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<v Speaker 4>like he doesn't need anything returned to him. Then there's you.

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<v Speaker 4>I really don't know you, but I can tell you're

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<v Speaker 4>strong and you've raised an amazing daughter.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm glad you didn't grow up like Jeremy, feeling like

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<v Speaker 11>a part of you was missing.

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<v Speaker 4>But I still want to belong to you if you'd

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<v Speaker 4>ever had me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I felt like something was missing.

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<v Speaker 5>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what exactly to miss.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, whatever it is, you don't have to miss it anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm here now, and you're I mean, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you real? You know you're not a ghost or

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<v Speaker 2>a I don't even know what to ask you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm real, and I'm I don't know how many of

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<v Speaker 4>this works.

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<v Speaker 11>But if I'll live another fifty years, or if my

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<v Speaker 11>body just looks young and really I'm in my seventies,

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<v Speaker 11>I have no idea what my life would even look

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<v Speaker 11>like here in twenty twenty a year. That still sounds

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<v Speaker 11>made up in my ears. But I know that all

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 11>these questions aren't really important. The only question that matters

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<v Speaker 11>to me is if you'll allow me to get to

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<v Speaker 11>know you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I don't know, And this is all still so.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not saying no, I just I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to come over here today to try and make it

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<v Speaker 2>make sense, you know, as much sense as it could.

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<v Speaker 4>How's that going?

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<v Speaker 9>Not great?

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<v Speaker 5>I bet.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always had a really hard time with the paranormal stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my teenage rebellion was becoming as pragmatic and

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<v Speaker 2>straight edged as.

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<v Speaker 4>Possible a model teenager, were you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I would not say that. I was still

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<v Speaker 2>pretty awful with the mootiness and shouting matches and awful boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 11>God, you and Jeremy never, oh God, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 11>Jesus Christ, I would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I'm barely registering that I have my father who

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<v Speaker 2>is alive. I think the question of a half brother

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<v Speaker 2>is just going to have to sit on the back

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<v Speaker 2>burner for a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, understandable, But no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Jeremy and I didn't overlap in school much. I

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea what kind of teenager he was at home.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry I missed it all.

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<v Speaker 2>I really should get going to work.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, yeah, thank you, you know for coming by. Maybe

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<v Speaker 4>we could continue the conversation at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe, Oh God, what is it, I have your nose?

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<v Speaker 2>Jeremy doesn't, but I do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell Olivia's here at home, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Now let go. I have no idea, but thank you

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<v Speaker 4>for talking to her, for trying.

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<v Speaker 14>I didn't mean to overhear well, actually, I was totally

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 14>eavesdropping when she asked if you were real you were

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<v Speaker 14>talking around something.

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<v Speaker 4>Not a lot gets past you.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, you're not sure you're going to stay.

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<v Speaker 4>If I have anything to say about it, I will.

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<v Speaker 11>I'll get Alden out, I'll shut down the fay realm,

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<v Speaker 11>I'll live my life.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 11>But I don't know Jeremy's worried something's happening to me,

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 11>or that the liminal might take me back?

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Is that something you're worried about?

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<v Speaker 11>Peyton sent that beast back to the other side with

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 11>a simple carving. What's to say that same thing couldn't

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<v Speaker 11>happen to me or to anyone that it was as

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<v Speaker 11>easy as drawing a symbol somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>But you don't belong there.

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<v Speaker 14>That sasquatch was from the other side, so that room

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<v Speaker 14>sent it back. You're not from the liminal.

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 11>I've spent more years there than I did here. Maybe

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.440
<v Speaker 11>it sees me as part of it, and I keep

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 11>I keep feeling sick or tired, dizzy. That's what makes

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 11>me wonder if I'm not actually as young as I appear.

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 14>Do you feel like you're in a seventy year old's body?

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 11>But that doesn't change the fact that I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 11>with my twenty two year old granddaughter. Oh, I just

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<v Speaker 11>realized I'm dumping all of my problems on I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>You're a kid. You shouldn't have to listen to the

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<v Speaker 4>adults in your life worry like this.

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<v Speaker 14>Okay, first of all, I'm not a kid, and second

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<v Speaker 14>of all, I know we're genetically a few generations apart,

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<v Speaker 14>but I mean the reality of it just feels like

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<v Speaker 14>we're cousins or something.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't feel weird about listening to all your grandpa's fears.

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<v Speaker 14>Oh, I feel weird about literally everything that's happening in

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 14>my life right now. But that doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 14>a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Besides, who else are you going to talk to?

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 14>You know, like four people, and one of them is

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<v Speaker 14>your long lost love and another is your son.

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<v Speaker 4>You might be right. I just don't want to worry them.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, not that I want to worry you.

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 14>No, I know it's okay, Like, you don't have to explain,

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 14>And after all, we don't really know each other, do we.

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 14>With Nana, you have this whole complicated history, and you

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 14>knew my mom existed. You didn't know to expect me

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<v Speaker 14>and with Jeremy.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know how to talk to Jeremy. He's still

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<v Speaker 11>a little boy in my mind. So sometimes when I

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 11>look at him now, I have to remind myself that

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.720
<v Speaker 11>he's the same person, not just some man i've met.

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.440
<v Speaker 4>But there's other times.

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<v Speaker 11>Where I feel like I'm arguing with him like I

0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 11>would have if I'd been around when he was growing up.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, for what it's worth, I think Jeremy does need you.

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>You're not a fifth wheel.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of you to say.

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean it.

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<v Speaker 14>Look, I may not know Jeremy well, but I've gotten

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<v Speaker 14>to know Vippen a bit, and I think he might

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<v Speaker 14>be the person who knows Jeremy.

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Best, isn't he Jeremy's ta.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah exactly. They've been working together for a few years,

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 14>and Vippen called him Professor Bradshaw until like, I don't

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 14>know a week ago, but I think Vippen is the

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<v Speaker 14>closest thing that Jeremy has to a best friend.

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 4>Really, that's what I mean.

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 14>He's not. I just don't know how full his life is,

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 14>or how full it was before all of this happened.

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 14>Vippen said that Jeremy gave him a whole speech about

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 14>not turning out like him, telling Vippen to make sure

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 14>he had a life outside of work and all that.

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure that this makes me feel better or worse.

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 14>Sorry, I'm not exactly the best at PEP talks.

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 4>You know what, I think you're doing just fine?

0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 12>Hello, Sophie, it's Jeremy Bradshaw. I know it's been forever, Jeremy.

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<v Speaker 5>Good lord. I didn't think i'd ever hear from you again.

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 12>Oh come on, well, I'm sorry. I know I'm terrible

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 12>at keeping in touch.

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 5>It goes both ways. I imagine you've been quite busy.

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 5>You're back in the Bridgewater Triangle.

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, I've been back for a while.

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 5>Must have your hands full with all sorts of speaks.

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 9>No less than I'm sure you have in Pluckley.

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 4>You're still there.

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm actually back at Oxford, if you can believe it.

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<v Speaker 9>What are you going for another degree?

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 5>Handing them out? In fact, I'm a professor like you.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow, an Oxford professor. Wow.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, well, I guess you've reached the apex for anyone

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<v Speaker 12>in our discipline.

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:13.959
<v Speaker 4>Congrats.

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 5>I don't get me wrong, I'm still hoping to someday

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 5>find fame and fortune as the first person to provide

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 5>definitive proof of the paranormal. But twelve years in the

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 5>most haunted village in Britain and I didn't see a

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 5>single ghost.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry, no, you're not.

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 5>You always knew none of it was real.

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<v Speaker 9>What am I hearing? Has Sophie Burton become a skeptic?

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm skirting dangerously close.

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess time does funny things to all of us.

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 5>Don't tell me that you believe.

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 12>No, no, but I would say that I am. I

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 12>am working on keeping an open mind.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm impressed. Is that why you're calling me up out

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 5>of the blue? You need me to give you my

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 5>old ghosts a real shpiel?

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 4>Uh, not exactly.

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 12>I've actually been trying to expand my expertise, hence the

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 12>open mind, and I'm working on something that's a bit

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 12>outside of my comfort zone. Okay, I'm trying to write

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<v Speaker 12>a lecture that covers the Fay realm. And I realized

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<v Speaker 12>that I don't actually really know much beyond the basics

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 12>because it's never really been much of a thing in Bridgewater,

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<v Speaker 12>so I haven't even bothered before.

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 5>What's making you want to bother now just curiosity. Well,

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 5>you certainly called the right person. We're chocolate block for

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<v Speaker 5>the fath o here.

0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what I was hoping.

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 5>What exactly do you want to know? It's fairly expensive.

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 12>Well, that's why I wanted to talk to an expert

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 12>directly instead of just diving into my books.

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<v Speaker 5>Is there a particular region or myth origin you're looking at?

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<v Speaker 9>I guess the biggest question is friend or foe.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah. So I feel like the popular cultural representation is

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 12>fairly positive overall, tinker Bell and the like, But I

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 12>know there's a lot of darker versions of fay Realm.

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 12>More so, I'd love to know which side.

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 4>To come down on.

0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 5>Well, there's really not one definitive answer to that question.

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 5>For as long as there have been fay Realm legends,

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:16.399
<v Speaker 5>there's been good and bad.

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 4>But there is a distinction.

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 9>I mean, there are different there are different groups, right.

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 5>They can be In Scottish law, there's the Sealy Court

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 5>and Uncaly Court. Both are fay courts, so therefore dangerous.

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:30.719
<v Speaker 5>But the Sely won't go out of their way to

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<v Speaker 5>hurt humans, but the Uncily Court will. There are related

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 5>to a whole manner of evil creatures over here, boggots,

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 5>habby lovers, creatures of the devil. Essentially, what do the

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:51.439
<v Speaker 5>Fay want? Well, just general mischief, not the cute fun

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.720
<v Speaker 5>kind mind, more of the beating and possessing variety you mentioned.

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.160
<v Speaker 9>The courts are those physical courts.

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 5>Some times there's a lot of law around fairy lands.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes they're called other worlds or underworlds, even herd fairy kingdom.

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<v Speaker 5>And sometimes they're a physical place, sometimes just a ritual

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 5>or the very act of doing magic.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, So if they are physical places, presumably human beings

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 12>could enter into one of these lands, and.

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.479
<v Speaker 5>There aren't many legends that explore that idea plenty of

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 5>fiction and films, but original myth is mostly the Fay

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 5>courts coming over to the human realm.

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<v Speaker 9>How about making deals with humans?

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:37.200
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Yes, Fay contracts very tricky things. Their story is

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.640
<v Speaker 5>you should never accept a gift from a theory, especially food,

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 5>never get into debt with them, never make any promises,

0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 5>and don't even give them your name in the case

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 5>of creatures like.

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<v Speaker 9>So basically avoid them at all casts exactly.

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 12>Okay, So hypothetically, what if there is an existing contract,

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 12>can you break it?

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<v Speaker 5>I have absolutely no idea. Are you in law school? Now?

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:06.919
<v Speaker 5>Is your class on fairy contract law?

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 9>I'm just trying to create a full picture.

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, I've given a few lectures on the

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 5>famous and there's so much to cover. It's honestly best

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 5>to keep things surface level.

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<v Speaker 12>If I were you, Okay, sure, But let's say I

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 12>was doing fairy contract law.

0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 4>What would I teach my students to never.

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 5>Enter a contract with a fairy no matter what. But

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:34.280
<v Speaker 5>if they had, they aren't going to let a contract

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<v Speaker 5>be broken. The only way I could see out of

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.279
<v Speaker 5>it would be if you had something on the fay

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 5>court that could neutralize it. In a lot of law,

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 5>they hate being in debt. If there was a mutual

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 5>debt that could be exploited, maybe the slate would be

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.399
<v Speaker 5>wiped clean. But more likely, you just have a very

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 5>angry and violent spirit after you.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, is there a way to kill them?

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.440
<v Speaker 5>Jeremy? What is this really about?

0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 12>If I figure it out, I promise I will tell you, Jeremy,

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 12>just please, whatever you can tell me about ways to

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 12>stop them or even just ward them off.

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 4>I really appreciate it.

0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 9>Just just humor me here.

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 5>It really depends on the type you're dealing with. There's

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 5>all sorts of things, turning your clothes inside out. Avoiding

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.359
<v Speaker 5>fairy circles, of course, but circles of all kinds can

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 5>be problematic. A rooster's crow or church bells have been

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 5>said to scare them away. I can send you a

0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 5>list of all the methods I'm aware of, if you like,

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 5>that would be amazing.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 4>Selfie, Thank you. Thanks, You've already been a huge help.

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 5>Sure you'll bring me back if you find yourself in

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 5>over your head.

0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 4>That's why I caught you in the first place.

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 5>Are you This sounds ridiculous? Are you okay?

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 12>I I think I've got.

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 4>It all under control.

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 5>Of course, you've got it under control. I always do.

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 4>Wow. Fuck, I know. Are you okay? My whole body

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 4>is sore, but I am alive.

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 7>I cannot believe I turned down your offer to join you.

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 4>Next time I go monster hunting, I'll insist.

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 7>I appreciate that. Hey, thanks for meeting me here. By

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:26.400
<v Speaker 7>the way, I was going to suggest hawk a mocks.

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 12>But yeah, Well, weirdly, Freetown Forest feel safer at the moment,

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.120
<v Speaker 12>even if Peyton is hiding around.

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 7>Here somewhere I'm sorry again for not being able to

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 7>help with her.

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 12>No, No, it was fine. It was a long shot.

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 12>I just wish I knew if I could trust her.

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<v Speaker 12>Names are really fucked up here. Things are certainly fucked

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<v Speaker 12>up here. There is just a lot at stake for me.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't even know how to.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how to protect myself from a sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeremy, it sounds like it was pretty terrifying.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, and if Peyton hadn't shown up, I probably would

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<v Speaker 12>be dead.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad was right. I'm an academic. I'm not the

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<v Speaker 4>person who fights monsters. Here.

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<v Speaker 7>Let me show you something what I'm not poisonous. I

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<v Speaker 7>promise it'll be easier if I just guide your hand.

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<v Speaker 4>Trust me.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, so move your hand in a bee like this,

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<v Speaker 7>and then moved to center and bring it all the

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<v Speaker 7>way down. Okay, now you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know it feels goofy.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's try it all right, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Center down, and I'm supposed to do what exactly?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, it's supposed to banish monsters or trap them

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<v Speaker 7>or something. Honestly, I haven't had the opportunity to try,

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<v Speaker 7>but see his keep running into them for real?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that'll be an experiment for next time.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, report back to me. I'm dying to know.

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<v Speaker 4>If it works.

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<v Speaker 7>Where'd you learn that there was this other legend tripper

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<v Speaker 7>a while back? I met her at some conference or other.

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<v Speaker 4>There are legend tripper conferences.

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<v Speaker 7>You're telling me you haven't been to anything like that.

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<v Speaker 12>No, no, no, of course I've been to paranormal conventions

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<v Speaker 12>and academic conferences. I just haven't met a whole lot

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<v Speaker 12>of uh, monster hunters in one place.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, well, maybe conference was putting a bit strongly, but

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<v Speaker 7>these communities are all tied in together, and there are

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<v Speaker 7>meetups from time to time. I as she picked it up

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<v Speaker 7>from some guy in Norway.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's some kind of old Norse room.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so she said it translates to protection. I think,

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<v Speaker 7>now maybe you know how to fight monsters.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, here's hoping that I never have to use it.

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<v Speaker 7>Come on, you're telling me there's not even a little

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<v Speaker 7>part of you that's dying to see something else.

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<v Speaker 4>It was genuinely, really frightening. I would not. Oh shit, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe right, of.

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<v Speaker 7>Course I am. I mean, after all this time studying

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<v Speaker 7>and teaching all of this stuff for years, you actually

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<v Speaker 7>get to witness it. I'd be fucking jealous if it

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't so cool.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, well, you keep hanging out in these forests and

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<v Speaker 12>swamps and you might see something yourself soon.

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe I just need to hang out with you more.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess it's worth a shop.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's the spirit.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was expecting to see you, but not so soon.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we really got to finish our conversation earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>And what conversation was that?

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<v Speaker 4>The one about how I broke everything.

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<v Speaker 3>I seem to remember your son having quite a lot

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<v Speaker 3>to say about that subject.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to get much worse very quickly.

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<v Speaker 5>Isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I believe so.

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<v Speaker 11>And you think I'm the only one who can fix it,

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<v Speaker 11>not the only one, just the right one.

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<v Speaker 4>What would I have to do?

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of Bridgewater was written by Lauren Shippen and

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<v Speaker 1>directed by Brendan Patrick Hughes Assistant director Sarah Kleine. Sound

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<v Speaker 1>designed by Vincent de Johnny Rima El Kali, Josh Thain,

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<v Speaker 1>and Trevor Young, with music by Chad Lawson. Starring Misha

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<v Speaker 1>Collins as Jeremy Bradshaw, Melissa Ponzio as Anne Becker, Alan

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<v Speaker 1>Tudick as Thomas Bradshaw, Karen Sony as Vipen Kurana, Sabra

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<v Speaker 1>May as Olivia Hoskins, Cheryl Umanya as Officer Bautista, Will

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<v Speaker 1>Wheaton as Captain Haddock, Tricia Helfer as the Legend Tripper,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Guarino as Doctor Edwards nand Mi Siu Dambe as

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<v Speaker 1>Peyton Blake, Hillary Burton Morgan as Shelley Hoskins, Nicky McCauley

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<v Speaker 1>as Celeste, and Victoria Grace as Katie Franks, with additional

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<v Speaker 1>voice acting by Greta Gould, Shelby Young, Adam o'byrn Monte, Markham,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Bergman, and Tarren Westbrook. Executive producers Aaron Manke, Misha Collins,

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren Shippen, Matt Frederick, and Alexander Williams. Supervising producers Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Thain and Trevor Young. Bridgewater was created by me Aaron

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