1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Bridgewater is a production of I Heart Radio three D 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: audio and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey for full exposure. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Listen with headphones. Listener discretion advised. How did you? I'll 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: explain everything, but you need to come with me. This 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: part of the swamp isn't protected. Why don't you put 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: down that knife first? Well, y, Thomas, you're looking surprisingly 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: well and this wasn't for you? Was for that? Are 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: we going to a gathering meeting? Why would you think that? 9 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: I don't know the symbol you carved those in the 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: trees when you want to meet, don't you? That's one 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: purpose for them, But that's not the primary one. So 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: what is the primary one? Come on, like, we'll talk 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: as we go. Okay, Hey, how did you know Thomas's name? 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: I know who all of you are, Thomas, especially White, 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: the Houdini active pooled there. I'm not sure if you 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: are impressed or annoyed? Can't I be both? Aren't you 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: going to ask me who I am? We know who 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: you are. You're gathering leader from Virginia, right, I guess 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: we all have reputations preceding us. Then I assume you 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: know why I'm here? Well, why don't you tell us? 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: All right, here we go? Ah, where are you taking us? 22 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: That's not so much about the destination as it is 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: about getting on a bus. What I haven't had a 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: chance to cover the whole swamp yet, and the bus 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: stop was closer than the areas I have secured. The 26 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: bus will be safe. Iron rank the favor of how 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: by iron busses are steel, which is an iron alloy. 28 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: The next bus should be here in three minutes. We 29 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: can talk freely on it. What do you mean you 30 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: haven't covered the whole swamp yet. The room I carved 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't for community cation. It was for protection. That's 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: why that the bigfoot creature vanished. Can't come past the 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: boundaries of the rooms. Now. I can keep it out 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: of areas, but I can't keep it in, So be 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: careful if you choose to come back. So you're saying 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: it's not gone for good, No, just banished to the 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: other side for now. That's why I'm here. A lot 38 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: of things are not where they should be. Yeah, we've 39 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: we've figured that out on our own. Does that also 40 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: mean you figured out what's causing it? Well? Yeah, we 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: know we know that something is off balance. Do you 42 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: think things are not just off balance, Jeremy, they are 43 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: broken because of you. Me. What did I do? I 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: was trapped for forty years exactly. You should never have 45 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: come back out. What do you mean he shouldn't have 46 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: come back. Thomas was in there for a reason and 47 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: he should have stayed there. How dare you say that? Hey, hey, listen, 48 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: don't be mad at me. I'm just a messenger. And 49 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: who exactly is the source of this message the other side? 50 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Oh cool, so you've got like a buddy over there 51 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: or something. I'm not trying to come here and mess 52 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: up your life, Jeremy, know you're just coming to murder 53 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: my father. Again. That wasn't me, That wasn't any member 54 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: of the gathering, or even a member back then. Oh sure, 55 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: it was an offshoot. Yeah where we've heard that all before. Then. 56 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: You know I'm right. You have no reason to take 57 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: your anger out on me, given that I'm the only 58 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: one here who was actually the victim of an attempted murder. 59 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I think I could be angry at whoever I want. 60 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: That's fair, And I know this doesn't mean anything to you. 61 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't even alive when you were pushed into the liminal, 62 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: But I am sorry for what happened to you. It 63 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: wasn't right not to mention it didn't even work. The 64 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: liminal that's what we call it. Where Thomas was and 65 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: your solution is just a thrown back again. Do you 66 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: know exactly what you're dealing with here? We have some idea, 67 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: then you know who's on the other side, what that 68 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: place is. Or you have a bunch of half baked 69 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: theories but not enough solid proof to connect all the dots. Well, 70 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: we've been thinking maybe it's the fae realm okay, and 71 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: considering the way you reacted to my iron assumption, Yeah, okay, 72 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: so you're not totally clueless. So that is what's doing this. 73 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: The fake Court, the hidden people, the Secret Commonwealth, whatever 74 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: you want to call it. Non human beings who reign 75 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: over a kingdom that lays just beyond a liminal space, 76 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: who could destroy all of us with ease if they 77 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: so chose. If that were true, wouldn't they have done 78 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: it by now? I mean, it certainly feels like they've 79 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: been trying at least here. They made a deal centuries ago. 80 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: What do you We don't bother them, They don't bother us. 81 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: Everybody stays happy and ignorant, and we have to give 82 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: them something like a human life. It's different for each 83 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: doorway here, Virginia, Muda Matlock, the Dragon's triangle places where 84 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: the veil between world is thinnest, where the other side 85 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: is accessible. There has to be something between here and there, 86 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: hence the liminal where you were trapped with someone else. 87 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm assuming how did you know that it's similar in Virginia. Well, 88 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: the need for two souls is at least two souls, 89 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: one that has to be new every forty years. That's 90 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: my understanding of how Bridgewater works. And he wasn't willing, 91 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: so things have been hinky here for a while. Yes, 92 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: it's not a deal breaker for the fay realm, the 93 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: willingness bit, but having to residents of the liminal, that's 94 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: non negotiable. It keeps things nice and closed. So without me, 95 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: the gates are wide open for anyone to waltz into 96 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: the kingdom or out of it. Okay, so how do 97 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: we close it? We follow the terms of the deal. 98 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Even if I went back in Alden wouldn't be able 99 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: to come out, or we'd be stuck with the same problem. 100 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: I take it Alden as the other person in there. No, 101 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: they wouldn't be able to come out either. Okay, well 102 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: that's a moot point. Because you are not going back 103 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: in there. Someone has to or people are going to die. 104 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: Oh whoa, We do not know that. You think you 105 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: would have been able to defend yourselves against that beast? 106 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: That's not your storybook, sasquash Jeremy. We've got similar creatures 107 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: in the South, bear like things that can stand on 108 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: two legs, take down trees. There's the Focky monster, the 109 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Ozak Howler and wait wait the monster that's that's that's 110 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: that's Arkansas, right, and it kills livestock. Right then, maybe 111 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: what we just saw is the thing that killed the cows. 112 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: That's exactly my point. These monsters are not going to 113 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: stop at a viscerated and cows, which is why we 114 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: need to fix this. Doesn't have to be me, though, right, 115 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Whatever deal exists doesn't stipulate a specific person. It doesn't 116 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: have to be you. But to be really honest, I 117 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: don't know who else would willingly go in there. Why 118 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: why would we trust her on this? Why would we 119 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: trust you on this? We don't even know you. And 120 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: the gathering hasn't exactly been good to I have no 121 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: reason to lie to you. Even if you are telling 122 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: the truth, that doesn't mean that there's not something else 123 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: we can do. Okay, you got rid of that beast, 124 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: the howler thing, whatever, just very easily. You just teach 125 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: us how to do that, and we can take care 126 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: of this area. It doesn't work like that. I told 127 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: you I can keep things out by creating a protective boundary, 128 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: but I can't keep anything in. They'd be free to 129 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: roam elsewhere. Can we kill them? They are flesh and blood, 130 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: presumably right, so we figure out how we can take 131 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: them down. The monsters coming from the other side are 132 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: not your biggest problem. Let's say they are a pretty 133 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: urgent concern. If the terms of the deal aren't honored, 134 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: the phay realm won't stick to its side of the 135 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: veil anyone. You're gonna send more monsters through. What does 136 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: that mean they won't have to The boundary will collapse, 137 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: the two worlds bleeding into one another, causing problems we 138 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: can't even imagine. The deal must be honored. It sounds 139 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: like we we need to renegotiate this deal. I don't 140 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: think you really comprehend what we're dealing with here, Jeremy. 141 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: This is old magic. It's not something that that can 142 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: be altered or undone. It's like gravity. We have to 143 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: bend to it. Humans have found plenty of ways to 144 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: defy gravit, but we always have to come back down always. 145 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: And do you want to chime in here? Yeah, Dad, 146 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: I think she's right. We may not have a choice. 147 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: What is happening here? We we we we met her 148 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: five minutes ago, and you're just taking everything she says 149 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: a face value. I'm not saying that we should just 150 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: give up, but thank you. No, Jeremy's right, we don't 151 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: have any reason to trust you. Your predecessor was slippery 152 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: at best, and manipulative and worst. I've known her a 153 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: lot longer. So until you have proof of what you're saying, 154 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: and I'm not even sure what that proof would look like, 155 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: we're going to keep doing what we've been doing and 156 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: figure things out the old fashioned way, grasping for straws 157 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: in the darkness. Investigate. You know what, Fine, I can't 158 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: force any of you to do anything. We all know 159 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: how disastrous that is, so go ahead, do your own investigating, 160 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: but do it quickly, and when you finally figure out 161 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: that I'm telling the truth, come and find me. All right, Okay, 162 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: so have you moved into Celeste house to huh, stepped 163 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: into her whole life. I'm not her permanent replacement. Besides, 164 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to keep an eye on things, so I'm 165 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: staying in Freetown Forest. That's safe, I'm protected, all right. Listen, 166 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: follow the ruins from the East Hiking Path and you 167 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: will find that. I don't think we're gonna need to, 168 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: but thanks, Remember, don't take too long. Hey, it's Jeremy, 169 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: Jeremy Bradshaw, the cool Professor. Hi. I know it's only 170 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: been a few days and I don't have any really 171 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: important sightings to tell you about, although I do actually 172 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: want to tell you about the big foot situation at 173 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: some point, but that's not why call. I'm calling because, um, 174 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: a woman named Peyton Blake showed up up here. She's 175 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: a gathering leader from Virginia, and I basically just wanted 176 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: to know if you think she's someone I can trust 177 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: or not, if you have any infot on her. Uh sorry, 178 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: I know that's a bit weird, but um, yeah, anything 179 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: that you could tell me would be helpful or or 180 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: anything any of the other legend trippers might know anything 181 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: anyone knows, uh would would be helpful. Um, so you 182 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: can just you know, text me back or call me 183 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: back or whatever, any any mode of communication, and uh, 184 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: that's it. Okay, thank you. I talked about whatever to 185 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: later dork. Hey who was that? Oh? That was that 186 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: legend tripper that I met. I was just curious if 187 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: she had any information about that about Peyton. Yeah, well 188 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: that was an interesting text to get yesterday. Yeah. Well, 189 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, I just thought that I should loop you 190 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: and Olivia in on the newest, weirdest developments. But you're okay, 191 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, after nearly getting ripped apart by a sasquat, 192 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. But I've decided to call it 193 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: a hawk a mock howler because it sounds more academic. 194 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: I am really not looking forward to lecturing today, but 195 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to do, because apparently life doesn't 196 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: stop just because evil fairies are trying to kill your dad. 197 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: It feels like a reason to take a sick day, though, unfortunately, 198 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: I think if I take any more of those, I'm 199 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: going to lose the health insurance that helps me. After 200 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: these monster attacks. I don't know, what do you want 201 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: to do? You want to help me go over the 202 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: topics for today? This is so fucked Eli Quinn has 203 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: always live. Well, I don't know what else I'm supposed 204 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: to say. I mean, if even half of what Peyton 205 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: told you was real, then well, first of all, I'm 206 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: moving the moment I graduate. Okay, don't joke about that. 207 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm not joking. It's one thing to grow up hearing 208 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: stories about pug wedges and window goes. But now there's 209 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: a whole other dimension that's one badly executed ritual away 210 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: from collapsing into our world and unleashing all sorts of hell, no, 211 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: thank you. That is not going to happen. Okay, we 212 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: are going to figure out how to stop all of 213 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: this for good. How new, Grandpa. We're talking about some 214 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: seriously ancient forces here, and we can't be the only 215 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: people who wanted to fight back against them before. I mean, 216 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: what if the deal that's been made is the best 217 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: possible version of a win. We're not gonna think like that. Okay. 218 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: We're going to figure out what the pay room wants, 219 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: what they can do, and how they can be beat. 220 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: Oh sure, yes, super ezy stuff. Well I didn't say 221 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: it was going to be easy, but we don't have 222 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: any other choice. All right, what do you need me 223 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: to do? You still want to help with all this? 224 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Do I want to prevent the evil fairy apocalypse? Yeah? Yeah, 225 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: that'd be nice, all right. I prefer he stayed inside 226 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: as much as possible, because I don't like how close 227 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: that dog got to you. Yeah, you and me both? Yeah? 228 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: What needs doing? Ah? Well, let's see. Jeremy's chasing down 229 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: some information on the pay room. Vivian's working on some 230 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: kind of map. I have no idea. He's using all 231 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: the different reported sidings to try and track creatures movements. Fantastic, 232 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go and see if Doc Edwards got 233 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: any think from his lab examination of the cow, so 234 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: I could use a hand. Okay, I think we need 235 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: to find out more about what happened to Olden. Oh yeah, sure, 236 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: I can help you with that. All right, all right, Well, 237 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: i'll be back in a bit. Call me if the 238 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: house starts to shake again. Ha ha, Wait, what do 239 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: you mean again? What happened? Now? I'll explain later. I'm 240 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: sure you'll be fine, Anna, We'll be fine Olivia. You know, 241 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: the more you both say that, the less I think 242 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: you believe it. I don't know what else to say. 243 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: I have to believe it will all be okay, right, right, 244 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: of course, I'm sure it will be. And I'm surprised 245 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: you didn't want to help Jeremy with his research. I'm 246 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: sure he'd love to spend more time with you. It 247 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: wasn't really something I could help with. He had to 248 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: go to work anyway, and he's calling up an old 249 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: friend from Oxford. Did did you know? Did he studied 250 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: there for a semester? I didn't. I mean I didn't 251 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: really know him all that well, we only met, like 252 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: just got a few weeks ago. Of course, you two 253 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: didn't even know each other existed. How do you feel? 254 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: And did you forget mom? Shelley? I'd take it. Anna's out, Yes, yes, 255 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: you just Mr. But I'm sure she'd be right back. 256 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: We could call her on her cellular phone. Yeah, yeah, 257 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: probably better. She's not here. Okay, hey live, would you 258 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: mind giving us a minute? Oh yeah, sure, I'll just 259 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: take my laptop to the guest room and start doing 260 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: that research. Okay, Well, I would say that I'm sorry 261 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: for just dropping by unexpectedly. But yeah, I guess I 262 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: take the price for that. Huh. Olivia told me she 263 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: explained everything to you, or tried to at least, that 264 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: you needed some time. I would have come to see 265 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: you if I know. It's fine to be honest, I 266 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: still need time. But I was driving to work and 267 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: was about to pass the turn to my mom's house, 268 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: and before I knew it, I was driving over here. 269 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: And I wasn't even planning on coming in until I 270 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: saw my mom's cart pull away. I know she really 271 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: wants to talk to you. Um, do you want to 272 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: sit or I can make you some coffee? I barely 273 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: understand and machine it's got these weird plastic pods, but 274 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure I can. I don't know how long I 275 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: can stay, right, You've really just been gone for forty 276 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: years and just blinked out of and back into existence. 277 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: Not exactly, I was somewhere all this time, right right, Yes, 278 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: it was some magical in between boys. It sounds crazy. 279 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: I know, Well I don't think that you do. I'm 280 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: you don't even look old enough to be the father 281 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: to a teenager, let alone, you know. Yeah, I know 282 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: freaked me out to that you're really. Yeah, I'm really 283 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: your dad, And you have to know, Shelley, I never 284 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: wanted to leave you or Jeremy and and I. We 285 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: had a plan. We were going to be a family, 286 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: but then you got sucked into some other dimension. I 287 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: know it sounds about as believable as I'm going out 288 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: for cigarettes. I'll be right back. But yeah, at least 289 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: it's not cliche. At least there's that Shelley, why are 290 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: you here? Who I was Olivia researching? By the way, 291 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: when she left this morning, she said, something happened. We 292 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: met someone who knows a lot more than we do. 293 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: And well, the situation is, it's that's complicated. There was 294 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: a boy with me in that other place. It was 295 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: also trapped in Olivia. She's helping me to try to 296 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: find out more about him so that maybe we can 297 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: help him. Is another a boy from from a long 298 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: time ago. So so this thing, whatever it is, it 299 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: does take children. Yes, I don't know if that's the 300 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: preferred sacrifice. What sacrifice? And there's some sort of balance sheet. 301 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: That other place needs two people at all times. I 302 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: ended up there by mistake. I think I think maybe 303 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: it wanted Jeremy back then. Yeah, my Mom did mention 304 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: something about him going missing. One we got him back, 305 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: just like you got your boy back. He's not in 306 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: danger anymore. Don't forgive me if I don't take you 307 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: at your word on that. I'm keeping him out as 308 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: grandparents for the foreseeable future, his other grandparents. I I'd 309 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: like to meet him someday, if that's okay. I don't 310 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: think so, I mean, at least not. You know, I 311 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: honestly have no idea. What's okay? You know I don't 312 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: know you. I know no, I mean, I don't even 313 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: have stories about you. Mom did not tell me anything. 314 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: She never talked about you. I never would have told 315 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: her to do that. Wow, Anne Becker does whatever it 316 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: is she wants, and for some reason, she didn't want 317 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: me to know that you were my dad. I still am. No. 318 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: You don't just get to claim that you've been gone 319 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: forty years and we never I mean, we never met, 320 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: and you've never been a father to me. You're right, 321 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: but I thought about you every single day. I understand 322 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: that you're angry, I do, and confused and frustrated. I 323 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: am too. I was just figuring out how to be 324 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: a dad, and then I was ripped away from it, 325 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: from the chance to watch Jeremy grow up, the chance 326 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: to meet you. But that doesn't mean being a father 327 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: was ripped out of me because there was Alden, that 328 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: other kid. He needed me, and I did figure it 329 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: out for him. So in the times when I let 330 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: myself imagine what it would be like to come back, 331 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: I actually felt prepared. I mean proud of who I'd become, 332 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: the kind of father I was turning into. So to 333 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: come back and find that my son has well past 334 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: the point of meeting a parent and my daughter doesn't 335 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: want any kind of father at all, I feel untethered. Wow. 336 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure Jeremy is thrilled to have you back, and 337 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: he remembers you growing up. You could tell he lost you. 338 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: He was carrying that hole with him everywhere, and it 339 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: seems like he turned into a good man in spite 340 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: of it. I don't know. I'm still getting to know him, 341 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: but he seems smart, protective of the people in his life. 342 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: Like me. I'm feeling a bit like a fifth wheel, 343 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: like he doesn't need anything returned to him. Then there's you. 344 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: I really don't know you, but I can tell you're 345 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: strong and you've raised an amazing daughter. I'm glad you 346 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: didn't grow up like Jeremy, feeling like a part of 347 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: you was missing. But I still want to belong to you, 348 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: if you'd ever have me. Of course, I felt like 349 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: something was missing. I just I didn't know what exactly 350 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: to miss. Well, whatever it is, you don't have to 351 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: miss it anymore. I'm here now, and you're I mean, 352 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: you're Are you real? You know you're not a ghost 353 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: or a I don't even know what to ask you. 354 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm real, and I'm I don't know how any of 355 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: this works. But if I live another fifty years, or 356 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: if my body just looks young and really I'm in 357 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: my seventies, I have no idea what my life would 358 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: even look like here in a year. That still sounds 359 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: made up in my ears. But I know that all 360 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: these questions aren't really important. The only question that matters 361 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: to me is if you'll allow me to get to 362 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: know you. I don't, I don't know, I'm and this 363 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: is all still so I understand. I mean, I'm not 364 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: saying no, I just I wanted to come over here 365 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: today to try and make it make sense, you know, 366 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: as much sense as it could. How's that going. H 367 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: m hmm, not great, Mt. I've always had a really 368 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: hard time with the paranormal stuff. You know, my teenage 369 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: rebellion was becoming as pragmatic and straight edged as possible 370 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: a model teenager, were you. Well, no, I would not 371 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: say that. I was still pretty awful with the moodiness 372 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: and shouting matches and awful boyfriend you and Jeremy never, 373 00:25:53,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: oh god, no, no, no, Jesus Christ, I would have been. Um, look, 374 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm barely registering that I have my father who is alive. 375 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: I think the question of a half brother is just 376 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: going to have to sit on the backburn for a minute. Okay, understandable, 377 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: but no, no, Jeremy and I didn't overlap in school much. 378 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: I have no idea what kind of teenager he was 379 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: at home. I'm sorry I missed it all. I really 380 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: should get going to work. Wait, yeah, thank you, you know, 381 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: for coming by. Maybe maybe we could continue the conversation 382 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: at some point. Mhmm yeah, maybe, Oh god, what is it, 383 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: I have your nose? Jeremy doesn't, but I do. Yeah, 384 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: you do. Tell Olivia's here at all, So now that go. 385 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but thank you for talking to her. Yeah, trying. 386 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to overhear well. Actually, I was totally 387 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: eavesdropping when she asked if you were real you were 388 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: talking around something not a lot gets past you. Huh, 389 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: you're not sure you're going to stay. If I have 390 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: anything to say about it, I will. I'll get all 391 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: then out, I'll shut down the fay realm. I'll live 392 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: my life right. But Jeremy's worried something's happening to me, 393 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: or that the limital might take me back? Is that 394 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: something you're worried about? Peyton sent that beast back to 395 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: the other side with a simple carving. What's to say 396 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: that same thing couldn't happen to me or to to anyone. 397 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: That it was as easy as drawing a symbol somewhere. 398 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: But you don't belong there. That sasquatch was from the 399 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: other side, so that room sent it back. You're not 400 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 1: from the Liminals. I've spent more years there than I 401 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: did here. Maybe it sees me as part of it, 402 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:26,959 Speaker 1: and I keep I keep feeling sick or tired, dizzy. 403 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: That's what makes me wonder if I'm not actually as 404 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: young as I appear. Do you feel like you're in 405 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: a seventy year old body. But that doesn't change the 406 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: fact that I'm sitting here with my twenty two year 407 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: old granddaughter. Oh, I just realized I'm dumping all of 408 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: my problems, and I'm sorry. You're a kid. You shouldn't 409 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: have to listen to the adults in your life worry 410 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: like this. Okay, first of all, I'm not a kid, 411 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: and second of all, I know we're genetically a few 412 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: generations apart, but I mean the reality of it just 413 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: feels like we're cousins or something. You don't feel weird 414 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: about listening to all your grandpa's fears. Oh, I feel 415 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: weird about literally everything that's happening in my life right now. 416 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: But that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Besides, 417 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: who else are you gonna talk to? You know, like 418 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: four people, and one of them is your long lost 419 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: love and the other is your son. You might be right. 420 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: I just don't want to worry them. I know, not 421 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: that I want to worry you. No, I know, it's okay, Like, 422 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to explain. And after all, we don't 423 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: really know each other, do we. With Nana, you have 424 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: this whole complicated history, and you knew my mom existed, 425 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: you didn't know to expect me. And with Jeremy, I 426 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: don't know how to talk to Jeremy. He's still a 427 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: little boy in my mind. So sometimes when I look 428 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: at him now, I have to remind myself that he's 429 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: the same person, not just some man i've met. But 430 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: there's other times or I feel like I'm arguing with 431 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: him like I would have if I'd been around when 432 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: he was growing up. Well, for what it's worth, I 433 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: think Jeremy does need you. You're not a fifth wheel. 434 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: It's kind of you to say. I mean it. Look, 435 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: I may not know Jeremy well, but I've gotten no 436 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: Hippen a bit, and I think he might be the 437 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: person who knows Jeremy best, isn't he Jeremy's t a 438 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: yeah exactly. They've been working together for a few years, 439 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: and Vippin called him Professor Bradshaw until like, I don't 440 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: know a week ago, but I think Hippin is the 441 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: closest thing that Jeremy has to a best friend. Really, 442 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. He's not. I just don't know 443 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: how full his life is, or how full it was 444 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: before all of this happened. Vippin said that Jeremy gave 445 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: him a whole speech about not turning out like him, 446 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: telling Hippen to make sure he had a life outside 447 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,479 Speaker 1: of work and all that. I'm not sure that this 448 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: makes me feel better or worse. Yeah. Sorry, I'm not 449 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: exactly the best at tep talks. You know what, I 450 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: think you're doing just fine. Hello, Sophie, it's Jeremy Bradshaw. 451 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: I know it's been forever Jeremy. Good lord. I didn't 452 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: think i'd ever hear from you again. Oh come on, well, 453 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know I'm I'm terrible at keeping in touch. 454 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: It goes both ways. I imagine you've been quite busy. 455 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: You're back in the bridgual To triangle, right, Yeah, I've 456 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: been back for a while. Must have your hands full 457 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: with all sorts of speaks, no less than I'm sure 458 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: you have in Plucky you're still there. I'm actually back 459 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: at Oxford, if you believe it. What are you going 460 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: for another degree? Handing them out? In fact, I'm a 461 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: professor like you. Oh wow, an Oxford professor. Wow. Okay, well, 462 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: I guess you've reached the apex for anyone in our discipline. Congrats. 463 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: I don't get me wrong. I'm still hoping to someday 464 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: find fame and fortune as the first person to provide 465 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: definitive proof of the paranormal. But twelve years in the 466 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: most haunted village in Britain and I didn't see a 467 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: single ghost. Sorry, no, you're not. You always knew none 468 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: of it was real. What am I hearing? Has Sophie 469 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Burton become a skeptic? I'm just getting dangerously close. Well, 470 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: I guess time does funny things to all of us. 471 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: Don't tell me that you're no. No, but I would 472 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: say that I am. I am working on keeping an 473 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: open mind. I am impressed. Is that why you're calling 474 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: me up out of thee You need me to give 475 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: you my old ghosts? A real shpille? Not exactly. I've 476 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: actually been trying to expand my expertise, hence the open mind, 477 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: and I'm working on something that's a bit outside of 478 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: my comfort zone. I'm trying to write a lecture that 479 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: covers the Fay realm. And I realized that I don't 480 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: actually really know much beyond the basics because it's never 481 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: really been much of a thing and in Bridgewater, so 482 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: I haven't even bothered before you want to now just curiosity? Well, 483 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: you certainly called the right person. Were choker block for 484 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: the famous? Yeah, that's what I was hoping. What exactly 485 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: do you want to know? It's fairly expensive. Well, that's 486 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: why I wanted to talk to an expert directly instead 487 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: of just diving into my books. Is there a particular 488 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: region or myth origin you're looking at? I guess the 489 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: biggest question is friend or foe. Yeah. So I feel 490 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: like the popular cultural representation is fairly positive overall, or 491 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: Tinkerbell and the like. But I know there's a lot 492 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: of darker versions of fay Realm. More so, I'd love 493 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: to know which side to come down on. Well, there's 494 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: really not one definitive answer to that question. For as 495 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: long as there have been fay Realm legends, there's been 496 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: good and bad. But there is a distinction. I mean, 497 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: there are different there are different groups, right, they can be. 498 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: In Scottish law, there's the Seely Court and Unseely Court. 499 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: Both are fai courts, so therefore dangerous. But the Seely 500 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: won't go out of their way to hurt humans, but 501 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: the Unselly Court will. They are related to a whole 502 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: manner of evil creatures over here, which is boggets, happy lovers, 503 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: creatures of the devil. Essentially, what do the Fay want, Well, 504 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: just general mischief, not the cute fun kind mind, more 505 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: of the beating and possessing variety you mentioned. The courts 506 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: are those physical courts. Some times there's a lot of 507 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: law around fairy lands. Sometimes they're called other worlds or underworld's, 508 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: even had fairy kingdom. And sometimes they are a physical place, 509 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: sometimes just a ritual or the very act of doing magic. Okay, 510 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: So if they are physical places, presumably human beings could 511 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: enter into one of these lands, and there aren't many 512 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: legends that explore that idea. Plenty of fiction and films, 513 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: but original myth there's mostly the fake courts coming over 514 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: to the human realle. How about making deals with humans? Oh? Yes, 515 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: Fay contracts very tricky things. The story is you should 516 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: never accept a gift from a theory, especially food, never 517 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: get into debt with them, never make any promises, and 518 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: I don't even give them your name in the case 519 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: of creatures, so basically avoid them at our costs exactly. Okay. 520 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: So hypothetically, what if there is an existing contract, can 521 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: you break it? Um? I have absolutely no idea. Are 522 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: you in law school? Now? Is your class on faery 523 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: contract law? I'm just trying to create a full picture. Well, 524 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I've given a few lectures on the famous 525 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: and there's so much to cover. It's honestly best to 526 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: keep things surface level. If I were you, okay, sure, 527 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: But let's say I was doing very contract law. What 528 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: would I teach my students to never enter a contract 529 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 1: with a fairy no matter what. But if they had, 530 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: they are going to let a contract be broken. The 531 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: only way I could see out of it would be 532 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: if you had something on the fake court that could 533 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: neutralize it. In a lot of law, they hate being 534 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: in debt. If there was a mutual debt that could 535 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: be exploited, maybe the slate would be wiped clean. But 536 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: more likely, you just have a very angry and violent 537 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: spirit after you. Okay, is there a way to kill them? Jeremy? 538 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: What is this really about? If I figure it out, 539 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: I promise I will tell you. Jeremy, just please, whatever 540 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: you can tell me about ways to stop them or 541 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: even just ward them off. I really appreciate it. Just 542 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: just humor me here. It really depends on the type 543 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: you're dealing with. There's all sorts of things, turning your 544 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: clothes inside out. Avoiding fairy circles, of course, but circles 545 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: of all kinds can be problematic. A rooster's crow or 546 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: church bells have been said to scare them away. I 547 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: can send you a list of all the methods I'm 548 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: aware of, if you like, That would be amazing. Sophie, 549 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks, You've already been a huge home. Sure 550 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: you're bring me back if you find yourself in over 551 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: your head. That's why I called you in the first place. 552 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: Are you It sounds ridiculous? Are you okay? I don't know. 553 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: I am. I think I've got it all under control. 554 00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: Of course, you've got it under control. I always do. Wow, fuck, 555 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: I know. Are you okay? My whole body is sore, 556 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: but I am alive. I cannot believe I turned down 557 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: your offer to join you. Next time I go monster hunting, 558 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: I'll insist. I appreciate that. Hey, thanks for meeting me here. 559 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: By the way, I was going to suggest hawk amoks 560 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: But yeah. Well, weirdly, Freetown Forest feels safer at the moment, 561 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: even if Peyton is hiding around here somewhere I'm sorry 562 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: again for not being able to help with her. No, No, 563 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: it was fine. It was a long shot. I just 564 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: wish I could know if I could trust her. Thanks 565 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: are really fucked up. Things are certainly fucked up here. 566 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: There's just a lot at stake for me. I don't 567 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: even know how to I don't know how to protect 568 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: myself from a sasquatch. Jeremy, it sounds like it was 569 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: pretty terrifying. Yeah, and if Peyton hadn't shown up, I 570 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: probably would be dead. My dad was right. I'm an academic. 571 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm not the person who fights monsters. Here. Let me 572 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: show you something. I'm not poisonous. I promise it'll be 573 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: easier if I just guide your hand. Trust me. Okay, 574 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: so move your hand in a V like this and 575 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: then moved to center and bring it all the way down. Okay, 576 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: now you do it. M M okay, I know it 577 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 1: feels goofy. Let's try it all right, center down. And 578 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: that's supposed to do what exactly? Um? Yeah, well it's 579 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: supposed to banish monsters or trap them or something. Honestly, 580 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: I haven't had the opportunity to try, but seeings and 581 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: keep running into them for real, all that will be 582 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: an experiment for next time. Report back to me. I'm 583 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: dying to know if it works. There was this other 584 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: legend trip or a while back. I met her at 585 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: some conference or other their legend trip or conferences. You're 586 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: telling me you haven't been to anything like that. No, no, no, 587 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: of course I've been paranormal conventions in academic conferences. I 588 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: just haven't met a whole lot of monster hunters in 589 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: one place. Well maybe conference was putting a bit strongly, 590 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: But these communities are all tied in together, and there 591 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: are meet ups from time to time. As she picked 592 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: it up from some guy in Norway. So it's some 593 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: kind of old Norse room. Yea, so she said, it 594 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: translates to protection. I think, now maybe you know how 595 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: to fight monsters. Well, here's hoping that I never have 596 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: to use it. Come on, you're telling me there's not 597 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: even a little part of you that's die to see 598 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: something else. It was genuinely, really frightening. I would not, oh, ship, yeah, okay, 599 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: maybe you're right, of course I am. I mean, after 600 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: all this time studying and teaching all of this stuff 601 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: for years, you actually get to witness it. I'd be 602 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: fucking jealous if it wasn't so cool. Yeah, well, you 603 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: keep hanging out in these forests and swamps and you 604 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 1: might see something yourself soon. Maybe I just need to 605 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: hang out with you more. Well, Ah, I guess it's 606 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: worth a shop. There's the spirit, you know. I was 607 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: expecting to see you, but not so soon. I don't 608 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,760 Speaker 1: think we really got to finish our conversation Asian earlier. 609 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: And what conversation was that? The one about how I 610 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: broke everything. I seem to remember your son having quite 611 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: a lot to say about that subject. It's going to 612 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: get much worse very quickly, isn't it. Yes? I believe so. 613 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,720 Speaker 1: And you think I'm the only one who can fix him, 614 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:26,879 Speaker 1: not the only one, just the right one. What would 615 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: I have to do? This episode of Bridgewater was written 616 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: by Lauren Shippin and directed by Brendan Patrick Hughes Assistant 617 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: director Sarah Klein, Sound designed by Vincent the Johnny Rema, Okay, Ali, 618 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: Josh Thane, and Trevor Young, with music by Chad Lawson. 619 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: Starring Misha Collins as Jeremy Bradshaw, Melissa Ponzio as Anne Becker, 620 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 1: Alan Tutick as Thomas Bradshaw, Karen Sony as Vipen Corona, 621 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: Sabra May as Olivia Hoskins, Cheryl Umania as Officer Bautista, 622 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: Will Wheaton as Captain Haddock, Tricia Helfer as the Legend Tripper, 623 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Guarino as Dr Edwards Nandamisu Demba as Peyton Blake, 624 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: Hilary Burton Morgan as Shelley Hoskins, Nicki McCauley as Celeste 625 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: then Victoria Grace as Katie Franks, with additional voice acting 626 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: by Greta Gould, Shelby Young, Adam oh Byrne, Monty Markham, 627 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: Charlie Bergman and Tern Westbrook. 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